Trash Option

[peachpit]

Most people get their mail everyday. Many by golf cart. Why not put dumpsters at the postal stations? Empty these dumpsters daily. This would reduce labor, fuel, and manpower.
I’m sure this would reduce our trash bill.
What say you?

[Ooper]

There are trash receptacles at our mail station to deposit junk mail and such and regularly emptied. We also have numerous barrels for can recycling. I would think all the mail stations would have these.

[peachpit]

There are trash receptacles at our mail station to deposit junk mail and such and regularly emptied. We also have numerous barrels for can recycling. I would think all the mail stations would have these.
Oh, I’m not talking trash receptacles. I’m talking dumpsters. No more curbside pick-up. Take your trash to the postal station when you get your mail. Dumpsters will be emptied daily. One employee, one truck. I think it would be a huge cost savings for the trash company.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I don't know that collection is the major cost of dealing with trash - maybe.

But, I am well aware of dumpsters. Where we live currently we drive to a "collection site" with dumpsters and I can see no way that site can be anything other than an eye sore. Second, people are in general slobs. There are always piles of garbage that "miss" the dumpsters. Even with a full time employee policing the site it is still a mess. It is such a problem they recently had to put up a security fence to close it off after hours and put up large signs indicating dumping on the ground would be prosecuted.

A good idea, but people are slobs and in practice it would be hard to make it blend in with the esthetics of TV.

[retiredguy123]

I don't know what most people do, but I sure don't travel to the postal station every day to pick up junk mail.

[GrumpyOldMan]

I don't know what most people do, but I sure don't travel to the postal station every day to pick up junk mail.

I'm with you!

[retiredguy123]

What about all the monthly renters who don't ever go to the postal station?

[Arctic Fox]

I don't know that collection is the major cost of dealing with trash

Yes, I suspect that it is the processing that racks up the cost.

The best way to reduce that is to reduce the amount of trash we produce. Everything seems to be wrapped, double-wrapped then triple-wrapped "for our convenience" but it's all adding to your monthly trash bill (not to mention adding to the initial cost of the item being purchased).

Most people won't want to be bothered with changing their habits but, with very little effort, you can find ways to reduce packaging and other trash.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Yes, I suspect that it is the processing that racks up the cost.

The best way to reduce that is to reduce the amount of trash we produce. Everything seems to be wrapped, double-wrapped then triple-wrapped "for our convenience" but it's all adding to your monthly trash bill (not to mention adding to the initial cost of the item being purchased).

Most people won't want to be bothered with changing their habits but, with very little effort, you can find ways to reduce packaging and other trash.

I agree even small changes in habits can add up to big savings on trash.

[jeriteri]

If this happens I won't know what to do with myself at 5 in the morning on Mondays and Thursdays. I'm certainly not going for a golf cart ride then.

[Marathon Man]

NO!!!!!

[Bay Kid]

I don't know that collection is the major cost of dealing with trash - maybe.

But, I am well aware of dumpsters. Where we live currently we drive to a "collection site" with dumpsters and I can see no way that site can be anything other than an eye sore. Second, people are in general slobs. There are always piles of garbage that "miss" the dumpsters. Even with a full time employee policing the site it is still a mess. It is such a problem they recently had to put up a security fence to close it off after hours and put up large signs indicating dumping on the ground would be prosecuted.

A good idea, but people are slobs and in practice it would be hard to make it blend in with the esthetics of TV.

Dumpsters would really be gross. Always smell, especially in warm weather. Flies, rats, stray animals, etc. They are just gross!

[twoplanekid]

I agree even small changes in habits can add up to big savings on trash.

For those that use computers and still receive paper statements from The District office that contain monthly water, sewer, trash and amenity bills, please consider signing up for E-Billing.

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/utilities/ebillSignup.aspx)

By doing so, all of the information pertaining to your monthly bill will be emailed to the email you provide. You always have access to these records by returning to the districtgov.org to see the details and a complete history of your bills.

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/utilities/payInquiry.aspx)

I am told by district staff that only about 15% of Villagers use E-Billing and that it costs around $9,000 per month to send out paper statements. So, save paper and help your Village District government save money by signing up for E-Billing. It's so easy to do!

[skip0358]

Oh, I’m not talking trash receptacles. I’m talking dumpsters. No more curbside pick-up. Take your trash to the postal station when you get your mail. Dumpsters will be emptied daily. One employee, one truck. I think it would be a huge cost savings for the trash company.

If every resident brought their trash to the Postal Station everyday do you realize what size dumpster you would need? Besides that the mess,smell, rodents etc. you would have. And then there's the weekend trash.

[Bogie Shooter]

For those that use computers and still receive paper statements from The District office that contain monthly water, sewer, trash and amenity bills, please consider signing up for E-Billing.

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/utilities/ebillSignup.aspx)

By doing so, all of the information pertaining to your monthly bill will be emailed to the email you provide. You always have access to these records by returning to the districtgov.org to see the details and a complete history of your bills.

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/utilities/payInquiry.aspx)

I am told by district staff that only about 15% of Villagers use E-Billing and that it costs around $9,000 per month to send out paper statements. So, save paper and help your Village District government save money by signing up for E-Billing. It's so easy to do!

Good reminder, easy enough to do.

[mtdjed]

Did you ever notice that where you see dumpsters for trash (Garbage), you also notice odors and see the little gray rodent traps? Would make your trip to the mail center, pool and shuffleboard courts a new experience. Not to mention the joy from adjacent home owners.

[retiredguy123]

For those that use computers and still receive paper statements from The District office that contain monthly water, sewer, trash and amenity bills, please consider signing up for E-Billing.

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/utilities/ebillSignup.aspx)

By doing so, all of the information pertaining to your monthly bill will be emailed to the email you provide. You always have access to these records by returning to the districtgov.org to see the details and a complete history of your bills.

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/utilities/payInquiry.aspx)

I am told by district staff that only about 15% of Villagers use E-Billing and that it costs around $9,000 per month to send out paper statements. So, save paper and help your Village District government save money by signing up for E-Billing. It's so easy to do!
I use E-billing for everything. But, I find it strange that, even after I pay my E-bill to the Leesburg Electric Co, they still send me a paper bill every month.

[Cobh521]

No Way! I do not want a dumpster at the mail stations. This will also lead to outsiders hauling their trash and dumping it.

[skip0358]

I have a shredder and anything that fits in it is shredded. Can usually go 2 weeks before the reash bag is full then it goes out.

[tophcfa]

I would like to have a "pay for the trash you generate" option rather than a fixed monthly cost. It's not really fair to part time residents to pay for trash removal for long periods of time when you are not there!

[New Englander]

No Way! I do not want a dumpster at the mail stations. This will also lead to outsiders hauling their trash and dumping it.

Exactly

[duhbear]

Most people get their mail everyday. Many by golf cart. Why not put dumpsters at the postal stations? Empty these dumpsters daily. This would reduce labor, fuel, and manpower.
I’m sure this would reduce our trash bill.
What say you?

Nope!

[JoMar]

Most people get their mail everyday. Many by golf cart. Why not put dumpsters at the postal stations? Empty these dumpsters daily. This would reduce labor, fuel, and manpower.
I’m sure this would reduce our trash bill.
What say you?

If you enjoy living in a trashy environment I guess you would like that right.....what say you?

[Arctic Fox]

For those that use computers and still receive paper statements from The District office that contain monthly water, sewer, trash and amenity bills, please consider signing up for E-Billing.

and SECO, bank statements, cable


Is it possible to request that advertising mail is not put in your mailbox, or does USPS have to "deliver" it as it has been paid for?

[justjim]

Most people get their mail everyday. Many by golf cart. Why not put dumpsters at the postal stations? Empty these dumpsters daily. This would reduce labor, fuel, and manpower.
I’m sure this would reduce our trash bill.
What say you?

OP, it appears that your answer is overwhelmingly no on a dumpster for trash at the mail boxes or any other place in The Villages. In a small condo community that could work but that does not describe The Villages.

[retiredguy123]

and SECO, bank statements, cable


Is it possible to request that advertising mail is not put in your mailbox, or does USPS have to "deliver" it as it has been paid for?
I guess you can request anythIng you want, but they will not stop putting junk mail in your mailbox. Actually, the mailbox doesn't belong to you. It is the property of the U.S. Government.

[Arctic Fox]

I guess you can request anythIng you want, but they will not stop putting junk mail in your mailbox.

and, like the advertising in newspapers, junk mail subsidizes the cost of regular mail, so I guess I shouldn't complain about it

[Midnight Cowgirl]

and SECO, bank statements, cable


Is it possible to request that advertising mail is not put in your mailbox, or does USPS have to "deliver" it as it has been paid for?


When a customer of any company agrees to go on E-billing, the company should be giving their customers a credit of some sort because they are saving the company some money in terms of paper, postage, manpower and a few other related things.

Yes, USPS MUST deliver any and all mail when a sender has paid for delivery.

[Midnight Cowgirl]

One thing that would definitely cut the cost of our trash bill would be to have once a week pickup.

Homeowners would probably save about 1/3 of the current cost if that was instituted.

[Dmbluk]

Could you imagine a 95 degree day sitting by the pool with a dumpster sitting 50 feet on the other side of the fence?

[birdawg]

Been working fine for years.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Been working fine for years.

Seems to have been, there is this saying about "if it isn't broken, don't fix it".

[JoMar]

[QUOTE=tophcfa;1675682]I would like to have a "pay for the trash you generate" option rather than a fixed monthly cost. It's not really fair to part time residents to pay for trash removal for long periods of time when you are not there![/QUO

Another layer of admin costs and software and probably hardware will be added. Part of the deal when part timers decided to own here....if it doesn't meet needs, why do they buy?

[kcrazorbackfan]

Most people get their mail everyday. Many by golf cart. Why not put dumpsters at the postal stations? Empty these dumpsters daily. This would reduce labor, fuel, and manpower.
I’m sure this would reduce our trash bill.
What say you?

You are talking about old people hoisting bags of trash up into a dumpster, correct? Riiiiiiiight.....

[Bogie Shooter]

You are talking about old people hoisting bags of trash up into a dumpster, correct? Riiiiiiiight.....
What you callin old kimosabe?
(Sorry could not pass it up.:))

[kcrazorbackfan]

What you callin old kimosabe?
(Sorry could not pass it up.:))

Only 66 years young here..... Lots of older farts out there.

[Bogie Shooter]

Only 66 years young here..... Lots of older farts out there.

😎:1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

Only 66 years young here..... Lots of older farts out there.

And they will kick your fanny for pointing it out! lol

[vintageogauge]

[QUOTE=tophcfa;1675682]I would like to have a "pay for the trash you generate" option rather than a fixed monthly cost. It's not really fair to part time residents to pay for trash removal for long periods of time when you are not there![/QUO

Another layer of admin costs and software and probably hardware will be added. Part of the deal when part timers decided to own here....if it doesn't meet needs, why do they buy?

It's only not fair if you didn't know before you purchased. If you didn't pay while not here the rates would go up to the point that you would be paying at least the same annual cost.

[tophcfa]

I would like to have a "pay for the trash you generate" option rather than a fixed monthly cost. It's not really fair to part time residents to pay for trash removal for long periods of time when you are not there!

Another layer of admin costs and software and probably hardware will be added. Part of the deal when part timers decided to own here....if it doesn't meet needs, why do they buy?

I was well aware of the trash policy when we bought, and gladly bought anyways. I was not aware that I was not supposed to voice my opinion about it on a thread titled "Trash Option" which was discussing other possible ways to deal with trash removal options??? If I can't do that without getting criticism, then why bother to post on TOV???

And as an added benefit to my proposal of paying for the trash that a household generates, rather than a fixed monthly cost, is that it could yield positive environmental benefits. Think about it, what financial incentive does one have to minimize the trash they generate when they pay a fixed rate regardless of how much trash they put out twice a week. If people had to pay by the bag of trash they generate, they would have a real financial incentive to minimize the trash they produce.

[tophcfa]

[QUOTE=JoMar;1675767]

It's only not fair if you didn't know before you purchased. If you didn't pay while not here the rates would go up to the point that you would be paying at least the same annual cost.

No, if part time residents did not pay while they were not at the Villages, then they would not be subsidizing the trash fees of the full time residents, significantly increasing their costs.

[coffeebean]

NO!!!!!
Let me second that.......HELL NO!!!!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I was well aware of the trash policy when we bought, and gladly bought anyways. I was not aware that I was not supposed to voice my opinion about it on a thread titled "Trash Option" which was discussing other possible ways to deal with trash removal options??? If I can't do that without getting criticism, then why bother to post on TOV???

And as an added benefit to my proposal of paying for the trash that a household generates, rather than a fixed monthly cost, is that it could yield positive environmental benefits. Think about it, what financial incentive does one have to minimize the trash they generate when they pay a fixed rate regardless of how much trash they put out twice a week. If people had to pay by the bag of trash they generate, they would have a real financial incentive to minimize the trash they produce.

1. welcome to my world, with regards to posting on-topic opinions.

2. the glitch in your idea is that it costs the same amount of money for a truck to pick up 4 pounds of trash from your house as it does to pick up 1/4 pound of trash from your house. The cost to do business from the location where the truck started out, to the location where he empties his truck, is the same no matter what. So that means if people aren't paying anything because they're not home, everyone else has to absorb that cost.

The route doesn't change, and they still have to go slowly, using the same amount of gas, labor, man-hours, etc.

Think of it from the reverse perspective: making you pay a share, is incentive for you to not spend months away from the house. You're paying to be there!

[pacjag]

Actually your logic is a bit over-simplified. It takes less effort and time to, for example, collect 1 bag instead of 2 or a small bag instead of a large bag. Smaller volumes would also reduce the number of runs to the disposal site the truck has to make each day. Reducing the total volume received at the disposal sites would also reduce impact and cost. Encouraging customers to reduce their trash volume would be a win-win proposition and monetary encouragement is the most easily understood and appreciated.

[trichard]

Most people get their mail everyday. Many by golf cart. Why not put dumpsters at the postal stations? Empty these dumpsters daily. This would reduce labor, fuel, and manpower.
I’m sure this would reduce our trash bill.
What say you?

Write the check! The Villages knows what they want to do. They are just putting us through the paces.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Actually your logic is a bit over-simplified. It takes less effort and time to, for example, collect 1 bag instead of 2 or a small bag instead of a large bag. Smaller volumes would also reduce the number of runs to the disposal site the truck has to make each day. Reducing the total volume received at the disposal sites would also reduce impact and cost. Encouraging customers to reduce their trash volume would be a win-win proposition and monetary encouragement is the most easily understood and appreciated.

I would say then, rather than not raise the price, or charge nothing for the months that snowbirders aren't there..something like this:

A minimum required monthly fee for every household, for once-weekly pickup. It would cover the trash contractor's minimum costs of doing business plus minimal profit margin required to continue servicing the Villages.

The second day's pickup would be billed to those who want that second day's pickup. It would not be a minimal charge, and it would be a subscription service, with a minimum 3 consecutive month charge.

The second day would also include the recycling and yard waste, and you'd pay for it even if you don't have any yard waste or recycling to do that week. Your second-day fee would include these services, and you can use or not use them however you see fit.

Sort of like - I pay amenity fees every month, whether I'm living down there to use those amenities or not. I can't tell them "Oh I'm not there 6 months out of the year, I don't have to pay for them til I get back."

In other words, everyone pays a minimum, for minimal service whether they use it or not. If you want more than the minimal service, you have to pay extra.

That way the contractor gets what he needs to keep his people paid, his machines in good condition, all HIS fees paid, and the only time you pay extra is if you choose to opt in to the extra fee for extra services.

[biker1]

What problem with the trash pickup are you trying to solve? Are you suggesting that the trash pickup cost too much money? We pay about $200 per year for twice a week trash pickup and once a week yard waste pickup. In my opinion, this is a bargain.



Most people get their mail everyday. Many by golf cart. Why not put dumpsters at the postal stations? Empty these dumpsters daily. This would reduce labor, fuel, and manpower.
I’m sure this would reduce our trash bill.
What say you?

[eyc234]

I would say then, rather than not raise the price, or charge nothing for the months that snowbirders aren't there..something like this:

A minimum required monthly fee for every household, for once-weekly pickup. It would cover the trash contractor's minimum costs of doing business plus minimal profit margin required to continue servicing the Villages.

The second day's pickup would be billed to those who want that second day's pickup. It would not be a minimal charge, and it would be a subscription service, with a minimum 3 consecutive month charge.

The second day would also include the recycling and yard waste, and you'd pay for it even if you don't have any yard waste or recycling to do that week. Your second-day fee would include these services, and you can use or not use them however you see fit.

Sort of like - I pay amenity fees every month, whether I'm living down there to use those amenities or not. I can't tell them "Oh I'm not there 6 months out of the year, I don't have to pay for them til I get back."

In other words, everyone pays a minimum, for minimal service whether they use it or not. If you want more than the minimal service, you have to pay extra.

That way the contractor gets what he needs to keep his people paid, his machines in good condition, all HIS fees paid, and the only time you pay extra is if you choose to opt in to the extra fee for extra services.

Not poohpoohing your ideas but I can see issues real quick. There is a lot of administration work being added here, think of any other place you have lived do they let you drop and pickup services when you are gone? I can not understand why people come to The Villages and want things from government here that they can not and never would get from any other government entity.

Next would be one person getting the service on the street and 20 households putting out trash on their driveway. It would happen real quickly. The issue here is not the cost of picking up the trash or recycling, it is the cost of disposing of it after pickup. That price has gone up significantly and is not going to go down. No one wants it and no one is willing to build a dump close or pony up for a waste to energy plant. This is a bigger issue than just how many times waste is pickup.

[HIgolfers]

Agree with Midnight Cowgirl- we only put trash out once a week (on the same day as recyclables) and notice most of our neighbors do the same. Very few 2 person households generate enough trash for twice a week pickup.

[skip0358]

Agree with Midnight Cowgirl- we only put trash out once a week (on the same day as recyclables) and notice most of our neighbors do the same. Very few 2 person households generate enough trash for twice a week pickup.

Agree we don't need the trucks 3 times a week. Question is IF thae collections went to 1 for trash/recycle and 1 for yard waste would the price drop or stay the same ? The workers still need to get paid or are they also going to get cut back? I for one don't see a problem with things the way they are. Last I read was the problem was with the recycled material as VERY few places want to recycle as the demand is dropping big time and the cost is going up. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

[papasetti82]

:agree::agree::agree::agree:One thing that would definitely cut the cost of our trash bill would be to have once a week pickup.

Homeowners would probably save about 1/3 of the current cost if that was instituted.

[Chi-Town]

Price is right for the convenience of twice a week pick up. A dumpster at the postal station cracks me up. I can only imagine the scene during the summer heat.

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[mulligan]

It would be quite the pile, probably completely hiding the dumpster in one of the villages with over a thousand houses.

[eyc234]

Agree we don't need the trucks 3 times a week. Question is IF thae collections went to 1 for trash/recycle and 1 for yard waste would the price drop or stay the same ? The workers still need to get paid or are they also going to get cut back? I for one don't see a problem with things the way they are. Last I read was the problem was with the recycled material as VERY few places want to recycle as the demand is dropping big time and the cost is going up. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

:bigbow: You hit the nail directly on the head. If a firehouse only goes on 1 call a month rather than 100, does the cost go down and taxes get reduced? Went to the workshop and the cost for recycled waste is going up from approximately $21 per ton to $78 per ton. You can pick up once a month and your cost is not going to go down.

[New Englander]

One thing that would definitely cut the cost of our trash bill would be to have once a week pickup.

Homeowners would probably save about 1/3 of the current cost if that was instituted.

:agree:

[biker1]

Unless you have experience in the waste management industry, it is best to avoid speculating on costs. For example, unless you know the breakdown of expenses you have no idea what the savings will be. If you have such experience then great, otherwise speculation is pointless. I do agree that once a week pickup would be fine. However, we don’t know the reason for twice a week pickup. Our current cost is already very low so I personally don’t see a problem.

One thing that would definitely cut the cost of our trash bill would be to have once a week pickup.

Homeowners would probably save about 1/3 of the current cost if that was instituted.

[Yung Dum]

Worst idea ever. Besides the stench, the rats, the coyotes, the cockroaches and other vermin, who would want to buy a house anywhere near these localized dumps? Add many vacant houses to this situation and look what we've got just to possibly save a few dollars.

[Yung Dum]

No Way! I do not want a dumpster at the mail stations. This will also lead to outsiders hauling their trash and dumping it.

You really think people are going to drive to TV just to dump their trash?

[biker1]

This is not reasonable because you cannot expect the guys doing the trash pickup to keep track of which houses they accept trash from. Besides, it would quickly be gamed. I believe the only way a true “pay for service system” could be implemented is if they only picked up “approved garbage bags” that you would need to buy. I don’t see that happening here for a variety of reasons. That system did work in our previous community - trash pickup was at your discretion and the vendor only picked up their containers (pretty much the same thing as “approved garbage bags”). The cost was higher than here. The current system works well because the trash pickup guys sweep through very quickly picking up everything in sight and the vendor knows exactly what their revenues and costs will be. Besides, for what we get the price is a bargain.


I would say then, rather than not raise the price, or charge nothing for the months that snowbirders aren't there..something like this:

A minimum required monthly fee for every household, for once-weekly pickup. It would cover the trash contractor's minimum costs of doing business plus minimal profit margin required to continue servicing the Villages.

The second day's pickup would be billed to those who want that second day's pickup. It would not be a minimal charge, and it would be a subscription service, with a minimum 3 consecutive month charge.

The second day would also include the recycling and yard waste, and you'd pay for it even if you don't have any yard waste or recycling to do that week. Your second-day fee would include these services, and you can use or not use them however you see fit.

Sort of like - I pay amenity fees every month, whether I'm living down there to use those amenities or not. I can't tell them "Oh I'm not there 6 months out of the year, I don't have to pay for them til I get back."

In other words, everyone pays a minimum, for minimal service whether they use it or not. If you want more than the minimal service, you have to pay extra.

That way the contractor gets what he needs to keep his people paid, his machines in good condition, all HIS fees paid, and the only time you pay extra is if you choose to opt in to the extra fee for extra services.

[coffeebean]

Actually your logic is a bit over-simplified. It takes less effort and time to, for example, collect 1 bag instead of 2 or a small bag instead of a large bag. Smaller volumes would also reduce the number of runs to the disposal site the truck has to make each day. Reducing the total volume received at the disposal sites would also reduce impact and cost. Encouraging customers to reduce their trash volume would be a win-win proposition and monetary encouragement is the most easily understood and appreciated.

I've thought about how to decrease trash volume. I'm at a loss. I have no idea what I could possibly eliminate from the trash we put out for collection.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I've thought about how to decrease trash volume. I'm at a loss. I have no idea what I could possibly eliminate from the trash we put out for collection.

There are places known as eco-villages that address this very thing. Their goal is zero waste. They don't achieve it, but they reach for it like no other community I know of. They have compost toilets and use the resulting compost for their produce gardens, and they are mostly self-sustaining. They have very little plastic, from any source at all, other than the piping for their running water. They have solar showers, solar heaters, and some use wind turbines. They're completely off-grid but fully powered.

It's amazing how much waste you discover you have, if you were shown an example of an entire community that reaches for zero waste.

Things you don't even think about - like laundry detergent containers. Dryer sheet boxes. Empty butter containers. Empty juice bottles, empty cans, empty dog food bags, paper tissues (as opposed to cloth hankies), empty plastic bags and used saran wrap, pizza boxes, take-out containers, used tin foil, the list goes on and on. And after all that, you BUY plastic bags, for the express purpose of filling them with trash and throwing them away. If that's not the very model of waste, I don't know what is.

I'm not saying that I don't waste. I absolutely do, and I own that. But ever since a friend of mine moved to an eco-village and showed me the website where I could actually read about the concept and see photos of the community and learn about the mechanics of the whole thing, I'm much more aware, and try to be a bit more responsible about the consumption.

Forgot to add a very significant type of waste that no one gives a second thought to in the Villages: the vegetable peels and discarded produce that you all stuff down the garbage disposal. No, it doesn't go into the trash. But that is organic material that could be turned into fertile, gorgeous, nourishing compost for flower gardens. Instead, you stuff it into your sewer system.

[CFrance]

1. welcome to my world, with regards to posting on-topic opinions.

2. the glitch in your idea is that it costs the same amount of money for a truck to pick up 4 pounds of trash from your house as it does to pick up 1/4 pound of trash from your house. The cost to do business from the location where the truck started out, to the location where he empties his truck, is the same no matter what. So that means if people aren't paying anything because they're not home, everyone else has to absorb that cost.

The route doesn't change, and they still have to go slowly, using the same amount of gas, labor, man-hours, etc.

Think of it from the reverse perspective: making you pay a share, is incentive for you to not spend months away from the house. You're paying to be there!
But I'm not sure I agree with your #2. If a truck is picking up 1/4 lb of trash as opposed to 4 lbs of trash, it would be making fewer trips to the landfill. Thus savings in gas and time. This assumes the trucks now make more than one trip, though--a point of which I have no knowledge.


As for the public dumpsters, I agree with everyone else that they would be an eyesore, smelly, and rat-infested. The public dumpsters where we live in the summer are in two spots, both on the outskirts of town and hidden from view by tall live hedges.



I can't imagine every postal station in TV having dumpsters.

[treehugger5]

I would like to take this opportunity to ask people to NOT put their unwanted mail of any sort into the barrels at the PO station. Filling that barrel ADDS to everyone's trash costs by requiring that barrel to be emptied. You already pay for pickup at you home. Throw your trash away there, please. "Waste" paper should be put out with your recyclables. But even if you trash it, why are you adding to my amenity fee costs by dumping trash at the PO station. Is it too heavy to bring home? Reduce your junk mail by signing up with the Direct Marketing Association and by cancelling catalogs etc that you no longer wish to receive by contacting the company (yes, sometimes you have to call them twice). As to the dumpster idea, the various thoughts as to its impracticability mentioned above seem well reasoned.

[Villagesgal]

Terrible idea. First off there is the odor, especially in the summer, secondly it looks terrible, thirdly, pickup is done by large trucks which would block people from coming in to get their mail, fourthly pickup makes a lot of noise which isn't fair to the people who live by a postal station and most important, dumpsters attract rats and mice.

[Chase219]

I personally do not want to bring my trash to a dumpster first of all it will be a mess with all these people here and especially at the postal station maybe you would not care but when you live across the street I don't think you would want it either.

Bad Idea if you live in the villages and are worried about cost maybe this is not the right place for those people.

[Rwirish]

I say we don’t need dumpsters at the postal stations.

[fastboat]

For those that use computers and still receive paper statements from The District office that contain monthly water, sewer, trash and amenity bills, please consider signing up for E-Billing.

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/utilities/ebillSignup.aspx)

By doing so, all of the information pertaining to your monthly bill will be emailed to the email you provide. You always have access to these records by returning to the districtgov.org to see the details and a complete history of your bills.

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/utilities/payInquiry.aspx)

I am told by district staff that only about 15% of Villagers use E-Billing and that it costs around $9,000 per month to send out paper statements. So, save paper and help your Village District government save money by signing up for E-Billing. It's so easy to do!
Q: Would they pass those savings on to the residents? A: No!

[Sparky25]

Terrible idea! We had this for a few years in the small village we lived in on Long Island. It was a mess! And most people did not bring their recyclables down there Just inconvenience.
Our postal stations are also our swimming pools let’s keep it clean and beautiful

[LarryQ]

I like that idea. When leaving town for a few days I can dispose of my trash and hit the road.

[Heather296]

I think this is the worst idea ever, and I hope it was made in jest. Dumpsters at the mail stations? Even if emptied daily they would stink in the Florida heat and they would be major eye soars. Reduce trash pickup to one day a week if you want to reduce costs. I don't think many people really need two trash pick up days.

[krtaylor52]

I lived in an apartment complex that did that exact thing. Do you realize how many homes share some Postal stations? Those dumpsters would fill up very quickly and we could have trash overflowing and on the ground every day. I am for recycling more. Educating folks to do that would be easy. I hated dragging a sticky leaking bag to the dumpster as well.

[deebrock]

Plane and simple NO for sooo many reasons.

[Lynnesail]

Not attractive, and would attract unwanted animals.

[richl]

Most people get their mail everyday. Many by golf cart. Why not put dumpsters at the postal stations? Empty these dumpsters daily. This would reduce labor, fuel, and manpower.
I’m sure this would reduce our trash bill.
What say you?

Maybe I do not understand the suggestion but it seems like a transfer of free labor of the home owner to a paid employee which would increase cost. Who would empty the dumpsters? Also most mail stuff (e.g. ads) is recyclable, not trash.

[JamesMisciagno]

Most people get their mail everyday. Many by golf cart. Why not put dumpsters at the postal stations? Empty these dumpsters daily. This would reduce labor, fuel, and manpower.
I’m sure this would reduce our trash bill.
What say you?

Not a good idea. They are ugly, smelly, and would attract rodents.
I suggest one pick up a week instead of 2 to cut cost. Do we really need 2 pick ups a week.

[dennisgavin]

I will pass on this idea for the same reasons as mentioned previously.

[Twiganne]

What is wrong with the way it is done now. I for one do not want to see dumpsters up at the mail station. I lived in a county where we had to drive our trash to the dumpster. I dread the thought of doing that again. Also the stench until it is emptied not to mention the trash laying all around it. I remember those hot summer days of taking the trash to the county dumpster. It was disgusting. The smell and the trash everywhere. I am paying to live her so I don’t have to do those kind of things anymore. Also when I throw larger items out for the trash they are certainly not going to fit on my golf cart. I agree with others I do not ride up to the postal station everyday. If they don’t want us to put dog feces in the trash cans up there can you imagine a group of those with dogs dumping their presents off in one area.

[jimmyva]

Trash dumpsters usually begin to smell like the trash/garbage that they collect. I certainly don't want that at my mailbox. Also, The Villages is a gorgeous place to live. The introduction of dumpsters into the residential areas is inconsistent with one of the main reasons why many people moved here.

[Cedwards38]

Stinky, unsightly dumpster in the very public mail station and pool area? I don't think that is the impression that our community wishes to make on ourselves and others. It might be cost effective, but very undesirable.

[Tall4mom]

Perhaps each service only once a week instead of two trash pickups. Is that way in other communities.

[Chi-Town]

Perhaps each service only once a week instead of two trash pickups. Is that way in other communities.Two times a week in the towns I lived in before here. I'm sure there are rural areas that are once a week but glad it's twice a week in The Villages.

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[larrycox8ball@gmail.com]

I seems mathematically logical that if the Garbage pickup was reduced to just one day the cost would be substantially less.

[ILLINOIS RAY]

Some great feedback on the downside

[TheWarriors]

You know you’ve truly become old people when you are arguing over $2 bucks a month. Tell your kids so they can have a good laugh behind your backs.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You know you’ve truly become old people when you are arguing over $2 bucks a month. Tell your kids so they can have a good laugh behind your backs.

I don't see it as money saved. I see it as less garbage covering the planet. When you can afford the $2/month extra waste, then you can afford the $3/month to prevent extra waste. Reduce, re-use, recycle, re-purpose. So those kids can thank you when their kids grow up in a country that isn't covered with refuse.

[Bogie Shooter]

Approaching 100 posts on putting dumpsters at mail stations, that ain't gonna happen. Oh my!:blahblahblah:
:popcorn::popcorn:

[TheWarriors]

Sorry, I don’t buy it, the recyclable market has dried up, hence the increase in disposal costs. I personally don’t see the crisis. But feel free to spend your time sorting your trash, it’s a great Country.

[eyc234]

You know you’ve truly become old people when you are arguing over $2 bucks a month. Tell your kids so they can have a good laugh behind your backs.

:bigbow: So right, even if you are on a fixed income you could eat out one less time per month and pay the increase for the entire year.

Speaking of moving to one pickup a week saving money is going to effect the cost insignificantly. The only thing you save is the fuel for the truck. You would have to lay people off to save salary and have continued monthly & yearly savings. You still have to pay the increase in price per ton of disposing of the waste. Reducing number of pickups will not result in meaningful savings.

[Spalumbos62]

[QUOTE=tophcfa;1675682]I would like to have a "pay for the trash you generate" option rather than a fixed monthly cost. It's not really fair to part time residents to pay for trash removal for long periods of time when you are not there![/QUO

Another layer of admin costs and software and probably hardware will be added. Part of the deal when part timers decided to own here....if it doesn't meet needs, why do they buy?

Way to make someone feel welcome!! When you buy of course you want to be there year round, goes without saying, but for most of us, it takes a few years for that to happen.
So if that transition hasn't happened and you might only be there 6 of the 12months, well that is a big payment for most people....and unnecessary .

[tophcfa]

Way to make someone feel welcome!! When you buy of course you want to be there year round, goes without saying, but for most of us, it takes a few years for that to happen.
So if that transition hasn't happened and you might only be there 6 of the 12months, well that is a big payment for most people....and unnecessary .

:clap2::clap2::coolsmiley:

[OhioBuckeye]

Good idea but you can bet some people will have 2 or more blocks to haul their trash there & you can bet they aren’t going to like doing that.

[Velvet]

I find it amazing to think that if garbage is picked up less often, we will produce less garbage. With that thought if we don’t have any pick ups we will not produce any garbage at all. My city up north thinks so, we of course, don’t have any less garbage... who buys stuff just to produce garbage? But we have a lot of irritated people and some happy raccoons and other pests and dumping.

[OhioBuckeye]

Oh, I’m not talking trash receptacles. I’m talking dumpsters. No more curbside pick-up. Take your trash to the postal station when you get your mail. Dumpsters will be emptied daily. One employee, one truck. I think it would be a huge cost savings for the trash company.
Yes one employee & how many lose their jobs? Good idea but don’t think this will fly with Waste Management.

[dmmills49]

No I think that is a bad idea since the pools are right there and sitting outside you can smell the garbage and also it would look disgusting. I am quite satisfied leaving the trash system the way it is.

[Driver8]

I agree with you 100%. Also, people would be dumping their electronics and everything else under the sun in these dumpsters, both Villagers and outsiders.

[Velvet]

Yes, I am impressed with TV’s garbage service as it is, myself.

[Marathon Man]

I'm not sure what it takes before something is declared a bad idea, but it appears we have not yet reached it.

[daspiva]

I don't think that we should all have to haul our trash to a central location unless our trash costs go down. However, I do believe that at a minimum, there really should be a recycling container for paper only at the post office areas for our convenience . I also think that we should be allowed to put our trash into a trash bin with lid so that the crows, that are as big as pigeons in my neighborhood, can not ravish our trash bags open when we bring them to the street to be picked up. I have to sprinkle ammonia on my bags to keep the pigeon size crows away..It works!

[Bogie Shooter]

I don't think that we should all have to haul our trash to a central location unless our trash costs go down. However, I do believe that at a minimum, there really should be a recycling container for paper only at the post office areas for our convenience . I also think that we should be allowed to put our trash into a trash bin with lid so that the crows, that are as big as pigeons in my neighborhood, can not ravish our trash bags open when we bring them to the street to be picked up. I have to sprinkle ammonia on my bags to keep the pigeon size crows away..It works!

Problem solved.

[Bogie Shooter]

I'm not sure what it takes before something is declared a bad idea, but it appears we have not yet reached it.

There are apparently still many ways to say the same thing........:duck:

[ditka41]

Multiple dumpsters at the mail stations is the absolute worse idea I can imagine for handling our trash. Northern Wisconsin, for example, has "collection sites" where residents have to transport their trash to dumpsters and it is a horrible blight to the otherwise attractive area. Some residents there even find it entertaining to go watch the wildlife grazing there at night. Forget it!

[Garywt]

The positive of dumpster is if you are leaving on a non trash day you have someplace to put your trash on the way out. $18 should not break the bank and to make the change might lower the fee to $14-15 dollars as you have to figure in the rental charges etc. I know the campground we stay at pays $500 per truck visit so it would add up over time. The you add in the smell next to the pool and the mess a dumpster brings and I don’t think it will fly. I don’t might taking a cart ride to throw out trash but the location is not good.

[eyc234]

Just a question for those that live part time or lived in a city, town, community that the municipality provides utilities. When you leave or left for any amount of time could you suspend utilities and not pay for the time you were gone? Never lived anywhere where they will let you suspend any utilities for anything. You could shut them off but then there was a reconnect fee. Even when not there and no garbage or water use there was still a charge. Why would it be any different here?

[davem4616]

The most practical approach for lowering the cost is to put the contract out to bid when it next comes up for renewal. That said, I suspect that there might not be a lot of difference between the contractors that are able to handle a client like TV. There are a number of considerations to address with this suggestion. First, there would be a additional cost for the dumpsters you are suggesting be placed near the postal stations, there would be a cost associated with preparing the site and for the routine servicing of them (so a cost analysis would need to be done and at best I suspect it would come out as breakeven). Scheduling when the trash is removed would be another logistical hurdle. It would certainly be disruptive to have a trash removal truck show up when we're all jockeying for a parking spot to pick up our mail, and surely the abutting neighbors wouldn't want to be awoken early in the morning or late in the evening by these trucks. Secondly, placing dumpsters at the postal stations/pool areas would result in an unpleasant odor in this climate and become an attraction for the critters that roam about during the day and night. Lastly I'm certain that anyone that owned a home that abutted any of the postal/pool areas would organize a protest. Let's let this one go.

[rmd2]

You really think people are going to drive to TV just to dump their trash?

Oh yes they might. Don't you remember all the service trucks and other people dumping their trash on Villages property during Hurricane Irma?? It happened all over town.

[davem4616]

Years back when we were 'snow birds' in Ft Lauderdale we would receive a 1 month break on the trash pickup fee for the 7 months that we were north...that stopped about 10 years ago.

[Velvet]

Dumping, in some poor areas of the world people dump their trash across the street, in school yards, church yards. Desperation drives people.

In my city you have to pay for utilities whether you use them or not. As a snowbird in TV right now, it would be nice to pay seasonally, but that would drive up the price for everyone.

Garbage cans, in my opinion, look ugly and are noisy.

[tophcfa]

Where we live up north there is no trash pick up unless the homeowner hires a private service. We bring our trash to a transfer station as needed and pay by the bag. The transfer station also takes recyclables if sorted (paper, plastic, glass, and metal) for free which gives people a financial incentive to recycle rather than paying to fill trash bags with recyclable items. They also take used motor oil for free since they use it to heat in the colder months. I pass the transfer station almost daily on my way to the YMCA so it is very convenient.

When we are at our Villages home we never pay a penny for trash removal, which is how it should be when we not generating any waste.

The only problem with paying by the bag is that in the country, where we live up north, many people burn their trash because that costs them nothing. We have a neighbor who does this and when the wind is blowing toward our home sometimes the smell is nasty. Not to mention how bad it is for the environment.

[birdawg]

What's next? How about a thread on Burn Barrels. No just joking.

[mjc1145]

As a frequent annual renter, I would not want to drag the trash to the local postal station and be required to deal with the sloppiness of other folks...we've all seen what the area around dumpsters looks like. The same folks that never return carts to the corral and never rake sand traps would be tossing bags anywhere in the vicinity of the dumpsters.

Honestly, I cannot believe how The Villages gets away with just throwing the trash curbside in plastic bags without bins. We've rented in the Orlando area many times, and have seen the local critters and turkey vultures literally knock the plastic bins over to get at the food scraps on garbage day tearing into the trash making a mess...they had to go to large totes to mitigate this problem. In spite of this, I cannot remember ever seeing the trash bags torn open by critters in The Villages...must be they don't have gate passes and IDs.

Another issue that always surprises me is the fact that the owners never have sufficient trash barrels and trash bags in their homes for renters. I realize renters are responsible for consumables like trash bags, and I always purchase them. However, the owners of these beautiful homes are the ones that lose when renters just dump bags on the floors inviting vermin to feast.

[Velvet]

I can just see the handicapped and really elderly people trying to drag their thrash....

While we were in TV we saw not one vermin.... seriously... but in the city up north where we have every kind of cans available: garbage, recycling, food bins etc there are regular parties of raccoons I counted 12 last night, 5 skunks, a couple of Norway rats in my tiny backyard which is located in one of the best residential areas. I can imagine what the other areas must be like. TV is doing so much better!

[Josephw]

Have garage pickup once a week to cut cost

[Nucky]

There is a fixed cost for each hour a Garbage Truck is moving. For the life of me, I don't understand why the Truck goes down one side of the road and later in the day comes back to finish the other side of the road. Double the mileage double the fuel and double the wear and tear. Instant cost savings, do both sides of the road in one swipe.

Forget about the delivery of garbage to any centralized site. No Way!!! No How!! Crazy Idea!!!

People will come from all over the place to use unsupervised dumpsters to rid themselves of construction debris. Imagine the Tree Debris in the dumpster instead of just garbage. Instead of paying per load at the dump lets go to The Villages for the free dumpster usage. There would be the biggest uprising in the history of The Villages if we had to make a garbage delivery. I like ideas that are out of the box. This idea is outta this world. Forget It! No disrespect intended to the OP!

Once a week would be acceptable for us if needed. I think the price we pay per year is very reasonable.

[LLP4D]

I unfortunately agree that "people" are slobs. My workdays included MDs and PHDs, who couldn't seem to find the trash can in the men's room. Saving 💰 always a good idea, but efforts must be tempered with practicality.

[Martian]

Considering the price of the trash collection I think trying to second guess how to save money on trash collection is an effort that would be better spent on something with a higher potential savings.

Where we are now it is $10/month to drive 10 miles and throw our trash in a dumpster. I will gladly pay the fee at TV to have it picked up at my curbside.

[JSR22]

I feel the price is fine and I am happy with twice a week.

[caljeff]

I think that is a splendid idea! I currently dump my trash/garbage and yard waste at the Lake County (I live in Pine Ridge) Convenience Center off of Rolling Acres on Tuesday/Saturday. This is because I get weary of the color coded bags; one day trash/yard waste/recycle protocols. I realize my approach is not for everybody. I would welcome taking the shorter drive to the mail drop off/pick up area.

[72lions]

You are joking, right? My collection is 50 cents a day. Put a dumpster out which looks like crap , smells and attracts animals so I can transport my trash and recycling by car or golf cart? Give me a break.

[Skunky1]

Oh, I’m not talking trash receptacles. I’m talking dumpsters. No more curbside pick-up. Take your trash to the postal station when you get your mail. Dumpsters will be emptied daily. One employee, one truck. I think it would be a huge cost savings for the trash company.
That is a terrible idea!

[Velvet]

Dumping trash in bins sounds like what we do at camp, not in a civilized area.

[JSR22]

I really do not want to put garbage in my car. Home pickup is great.

[Bogie Shooter]

But what about dog poop?:1rotfl:

[JSR22]

But what about dog poop?:1rotfl:

I forgot about the dog poop. I definitely do not want it in my car!

[Mugget]

Most people get their mail everyday. Many by golf cart. Why not put dumpsters at the postal stations? Empty these dumpsters daily. This would reduce labor, fuel, and manpower.
I’m sure this would reduce our trash bill.
What say you?

No Dumpsters. I for one do not want to be responsible for putting the pickup employees on unemployment. They work hard, and in all kinds of conditions. They pick up anything that you put out. They even helped me get stuff out of the garage that I was unable to move myself. They are working and not taking advantage of "the system".

[D.Lawrence]

We should be able to opt out of junk mail, like we do with our phone calls and e mails

[Lauramore]

Most people get their mail everyday. Many by golf cart. Why not put dumpsters at the postal stations? Empty these dumpsters daily. This would reduce labor, fuel, and manpower.
I’m sure this would reduce our trash bill.
What say you?
The suggestion to put our trash in a dumpster is a good one. However, our postal stations, although convenient, would not be appropriate. The smell, mess, etc. would look very obnoxious in an area in plain view like our postal stations!!! This is my only problem with the 16 yrs. I've lived in The Villages. The people have no class! If someone wants this type of lifestyle, may I suggest moving to one of our sanctuary cities such as Los Angeles?

[CFrance]

But what about dog poop?:1rotfl:
You said it first. Cannot even put a tiny sample for the vet in the trunk of the car without "smellover."barf

[beancounter20]

One thing I have never understood is why we need trash pickup 2 times per week. I have lived in several different cities and the trash pickup was always once per week. Certainly, if there were only one pickup per week, there would be some savings. I also agree that dumpsters at the postal stations is a bad idea.

[rockaway]

We lived in rural Virginia and they had dumpsters in areas along the roads in pull off areas that were kept very neat and clean.

Every day on the way to work just stop and throw what you had in and be on your way in a minute.

[CFrance]

One thing I have never understood is why we need trash pickup 2 times per week. I have lived in several different cities and the trash pickup was always once per week. Certainly, if there were only one pickup per week, there would be some savings. I also agree that dumpsters at the postal stations is a bad idea.
I can't imagine having a trash bag full of rotting vegetable debris and bones and meat sitting in my garage in the Florida heat, especially the elevated heat in my garage, for a week. I hope they do not stop the twice-a-week pickup.

[Velvet]

We lived in rural Virginia and they had dumpsters in areas along the roads in pull off areas that were kept very neat and clean.

Every day on the way to work just stop and throw what you had in and be on your way in a minute.

Please note what age you are talking about. Some of us can’t go “throwing” much.

Again, this is appropriate for rural not city type locations.

[Velvet]

Did anyone from official sources actually suggested reducing our garbage service? I missed it if they had.

[coastalnh]

My experience with dumpsters is that they get filthy and SMELLY after just a little time in use. I would not like to live near one.

[Ben Franklin]

Worth looking into. It would cut labor costs, gas and maybe the number of trucks needed. I once lived in a condo complex, where the dumpsters were hidden by bushes. I never saw any messes around them. We would take our trash to the dumpsters twice a week. They also had recycle bins near the dumpsters. I imagine there would be some people who don't possess a personal responsibility system. Renters are a whole other issue.

[Bogie Shooter]

Most people get their mail everyday. Many by golf cart. Why not put dumpsters at the postal stations? Empty these dumpsters daily. This would reduce labor, fuel, and manpower.
I’m sure this would reduce our trash bill.
What say you?

Did anyone from official sources actually suggested reducing our garbage service? I missed it if they had.

:shrug:

[Number 10 GI]

If my old faulty memory is working, I believe on my last utility bill the charge for garbage service was $19 and some change. Where we lived prior to TV, garbage service was once a week and cost $25 - $25 a month depending on the contractor. There were also county operated "dump stations" where you could take garbage for free but in summer months the odor and flies were unbelievable. Can you imagine the odor and pests that would be generated by a dumpster at the mail stations? If $20 is causing a personal financial crisis, maybe TV isn't the place to live. If TV did something like suggested you wouldn't be able to give a home away here. Was this serious suggestion or a late April Fool's day joke?

[Yung Dum]

How much money will this insane idea save the average resident? Is it worth it to haul trash to the local dump/mailbox then have a dip in the pool next to the overwhelming stench of a dumpster? Are there that many people who can't afford a few dollars a month to live under sanitary conditions? Eating at home once a month will more than make up the cost.

[Rodehmen]

Most people get their mail everyday. Many by golf cart. Why not put dumpsters at the postal stations? Empty these dumpsters daily. This would reduce labor, fuel, and manpower.
I’m sure this would reduce our trash bill.
What say you?

Thanks for your idea and trying to reduce cost. I used to live in a community with dumpster dropoffs. Unfortunately people would either miss the recepticle or they would leave larger objects on the outside. Then the contractors that did not live in our community would dump waste from their jobs such as shingles, wood, etc. Throw in the rodent issue, and I did not look forward to a trip to the dumpsters.
Maybe education on reducing waste and recycling would help.

[runkcrun]

Not in favor of community dumpsters for many of the reasons already stated. Also, there are those who are not physically able to open dumpsters and lift trash in.
My suggestion is to take a look at going to once a week collection. Trash receptacles would have to be kept in garages of course.

[JoMar]

Did anyone from official sources actually suggested reducing our garbage service? I missed it if they had.

I assume the answer is no because the amount of saving would be insignificant to the homeowner unless they would suggest firing half the work force. In my instance, if they cut my cost by 50% that would save $8.75 per month.....and create a decision, what to do with that windfall? My cost here is significantly less then I paid for private haulers in PA. Still can't understand why we have these discussions over pocket change when there are bigger issues that need some intelligent discussions.

[Chi-Town]

I assume the answer is no because the amount of saving would be insignificant to the homeowner unless they would suggest firing half the work force. In my instance, if they cut my cost by 50% that would save $8.75 per month.....and create a decision, what to do with that windfall? My cost here is significantly less then I paid for private haulers in PA. Still can't understand why we have these discussions over pocket change when there are bigger issues that need some intelligent discussions.Well stated. This is why I'm thankful that a build out is far away.

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