There is no culture in The Villages

[jtdraig]

Was perusing Graciegirl's discussion about finding the Villages and was reminded that we have friends in Sarasota and Venice who come up to visit once in a while and both have said "WELL, the Villages is very nice but there really is no culture here"...which puts me into a not so nice mood. I think we have a LOT of culture here and it's growing. :beer3:

[getdul981]

Sounds to me like they are the type of people that have their nose out of joint.

[billethkid]

to change....if they wanted to do so.
And oh yes, something significant is missing from the info...lack of culture as measured by what?

btk

[swrinfla]

I've met an individual here in TV who seems to have been brought up in and subsequently lived for years in Manhattan and is now very regretful that there is "nothing" here to keep her entertained!

I have tried to persuade her that, while TV is not and can probably never be Manhattan, she ought to adjust.

Sadly, it does not seem to be working!

SWR
:beer3:

[redwitch]

Okay, I'm doing some serious ducking as I type this, but I agree -- the "culture" in TV is a joke at best. You can't have everything but TV comes darn close. I love the ballet -- it is a true passion of mine. I enjoy hearing a world class orchestra or performer. There's nothing like a Broadway play -- whether on Broadway or a good road show.

I haven't found a good ballet company in Central Florida and that does make me sad. Our symphony orchestra is not world class, but it is enjoyable on am amateur level. I will be kind and not comment on the shows/plays/musicals at Savannah Center. I have seen a couple of decent plays in Tampa, but nothing I would want to write home about.

So, given the standard criteria for "culture," TV is sorely lacking. If culture is a No. 1 priority, TV is not the place for you. If having many activities, seeing many different types of performances (although the majority will be at the amateur level at best), living with some of the most wonderful people in the world, then TV is for you.

If I am in dire need of serious culture, I'll dig out a CD and play some Yo-Yo Ma or Itzhak Perlman. I'll play a DVD of the Bolshoi on the big-screen TV in my living room. Heck, I'll even save my money and plan a trip to see a play or two or take in a ballet or .. There are alternatives.

The lack of culture here is not a major issue in the scheme of TV. I put it up there with missing some of my acquaintances (friends are another story) in California. When I miss my ballet, I'll find a way to watch some on TV. It ain't live, but I'm not going to cry about it.

[K9-Lovers]

I keep reading about a planned performing arts center. If that comes to fruition, perhaps it will be a venue for some cultural activities. Here's hoping. . . .:rolleyes:

[gary42651]

''Culture'' means alot more than just having a world class orchestra, or a good ballet company, when I was in France, a lady said that americans had ''no culture'' I told her
that if was true than it was her fault and the fault of all the people of europe, our country is a melting pot of many cultures, and that is what made our country great, and if it wasn`t for the ''un cultured'' americans, she would be speaking german today instead of french.
I see the Villages as a small melting pot of people from all over the country and a few other countries,and I never met so many great people in one small area anywhere in the world, its like having the largest family in the world. I feel like we have our own " culture" and its pretty damn good.

[jblum8156]

Maybe cost is not a factor for your "cultured" friend, but the cost of a live show in Manhattan (or San Francisco or any of the other big city culture centers) is out of sight for me. Even the cost of a movie ticket in NY is twice what it is here.

[dillywho]

Reading all of this and having been to NY only once in my life on my way to Germany to join my husband as a newlywed Army bride, I guess the only way you could refer to my culture is "Genuine Red Neck". I grew up on the likes of Hank Williams, Hank Snow, Chet Atkins, Bob Wills and then Buddy Holly, Bill Haley, Dione Warwick, Motown, etc. and still love it all. Do I like the other stuff....I might...dunno. But I'm very happy with my station in life and most grateful for the privilege to live in this place. One of the best parts......having some of it all.

I remember the first time I ever came here (2002) and there was an outdoor symphony concert at Hacienda. Needless to say, it was not my kind of music, but was beautiful and beautifully performed. Many of us were parked in golf carts across the lake totally enjoying the performance. My daughter-in-law, who loves symphony, ballet, etc. (she once studied to be a ballerina until an unrelated injury nixed that) was totally amazed. She remarked that she had just paid big bucks the week before for the same thing that was here for free. Her observation...."What a place!"

In short, I guess a lot of life is really what you make of it. No one is forced to live here and here is not everyone's "cup of tea". That's ok...just don't put down anyone who feels that it is theirs, please.

[Pturner]

Was perusing Graciegirl's discussion about finding the Villages and was reminded that we have friends in Sarasota and Venice who come up to visit once in a while and both have said "WELL, the Villages is very nice but there really is no culture here"...which puts me into a not so nice mood. I think we have a LOT of culture here and it's growing. :beer3:

Jtdraig, don't take offense with your Sarasota friends. I think it's a fair comment. Someone who frequents first-rate museums, gallaries and/or performing arts (symphony, ballet, opera, theatre, etc.) probably is not going to find TV right for them. They probably are not going to find any small town right for them. That's ok.

Many people enjoy having those venues available but only occasionally attend them. This group might miss these venues, but enjoy on a more routine basis the people, particular sense of community and many splendid amenities that TV does offer. (I'd put myself in this group.)

Other people don't care for the artsy scene at all.

TV isn't right for everyone. That doesn't offend me.

[frankmac]

We've lived in many places, from Alaska to New Jersey, Idaho to Virginia, and now Florida -- and traveled widely in Europe and Asia -- and I think I see what the "culture critic" means about The Villages. My impression is the Villages culture is a mosaic made up of many facets depending on your needs and interests. We love classical music and there's very little of that here and no longer on 70.9. We listen to our own CDs and can't stand any local station. BUT check TV and with all the cable channels it's no monument to culture. The Villages mosaic is in its great diversity of people, its numerous clubs and activities, and wide variety of restaurants which combine to provide fellow and family feeling -- if you are open to it.

[pooh]

The same, no culture, was said about the town I came from in southern CA. Honestly, that can be said for many locales, but there might be areas nearby where one can partake of "culture." Around here, one can drive to Orlando, Sarasota, other cities, for events that might not be available here in The Villages. Unless one lives in a large city, with theaters, museums, art exhibits, most people have to drive to areas where they can find that sort of "entertainment."

Some people really enjoy living in the city, with the hustle and bustle, the theater, the sophistication, the crowds. Personally, I've been to the cities, seen the art exhibits, been to the theater, dined in fine restaurants, and for me, a little more peace and quiet makes me comfortable. Some just enjoy a more casual lifestyle and this is a good place to live that kind of life. Doesn't mean the residents don't enjoy "culture" just means they've decided that what The Villages has to offer is more appealing to them. This community isn't for all, but all who live here seem to feel it is for them.

[graciegirl]

If you aren't all a bunch of cultured people, I'll eat my hat. Your responses are wonderful to read. I agree completely with each and every one of you and I feel so lucky to own a home where you do.

[kentucky blue]

Some people really enjoy living in the city, with the hustle and bustle, the theater, the sophistication, the crowds. Personally, I've been to the cities, seen the art exhibits, been to the theater, dined in fine restaurants, and for me, a little more peace and quiet makes me comfortable. Some just enjoy a more casual lifestyle and this is a good place to live that kind of life. Doesn't mean the residents don't enjoy "culture" just means they've decided that what The Villages has to offer is more appealing to them. This community isn't for all, but all who live here seem to feel it is for them.

Could not have said it any better, sooooooooooo i won't. But i would love a radio station in TV that would play some of my all time favorite songs.Like, I'm just a bug on the windshield of life, or My wife ran away with my best friend, and i sure do miss him.Also , How can i miss you if you won't go away. My final 2 favorites are, I'll marry you tomorrow, but let's honeymoon tonite and Beauty is only a light switch away.Just a little levity to end the day, goodnite all:laugh:

[EdV]

There�s plenty of culture here. I just pulled some out of the back of my refrigerator drawer.

[Taj44]

Jtdraig, don't take offense with your Sarasota friends. I think it's a fair comment. Someone who frequents first-rate museums, gallaries and/or performing arts (symphony, ballet, opera, theatre, etc.) probably is not going to find TV right for them. They probably are not going to find any small town right for them. That's ok.

Many people enjoy having those venues available but only occasionally attend them. This group might miss these venues, but enjoy on a more routine basis the people, particular sense of community and many splendid amenities that TV does offer. (I'd put myself in this group.)

Other people don't care for the artsy scene at all.

TV isn't right for everyone. That doesn't offend me.

Good comments. TV is not for everyone. Not everyone is content to play cards or softball, or participate in golf cart parades, or do what a lot of Villagers do. If you're raised in a family of musicians, you may miss going to the opera, or seeing high caliber musical events. If you're from NYC you may miss seeing the top plays and shows. It doesn't make you a bad person, or mean you have your nose out of joint. It just means that The Villages offers certain things, but not all things for all people. When we retire we have to find a place that offers us what we need, culturally, intellectually, and otherwise. We have friends in Naples who enjoy all the cultural events they have there, who would never think of moving to The Villages because they would miss those events. My husband and I tried to look at the pros and cons of TV, and the lack of cultural activities definitely was one of the cons for us, but we compromised and bought here anyways, and are happy with our decision.

[Tweety Bird]

Okay, I'm doing some serious ducking as I type this, but I agree -- the "culture" in TV is a joke at best. You can't have everything but TV comes darn close. I love the ballet -- it is a true passion of mine. I enjoy hearing a world class orchestra or performer. There's nothing like a Broadway play -- whether on Broadway or a good road show.

I haven't found a good ballet company in Central Florida and that does make me sad. Our symphony orchestra is not world class, but it is enjoyable on am amateur level. I will be kind and not comment on the shows/plays/musicals at Savannah Center. I have seen a couple of decent plays in Tampa, but nothing I would want to write home about.

So, given the standard criteria for "culture," TV is sorely lacking. If culture is a No. 1 priority, TV is not the place for you. If having many activities, seeing many different types of performances (although the majority will be at the amateur level at best), living with some of the most wonderful people in the world, then TV is for you.

If I am in dire need of serious culture, I'll dig out a CD and play some Yo-Yo Ma or Itzhak Perlman. I'll play a DVD of the Bolshoi on the big-screen TV in my living room. Heck, I'll even save my money and plan a trip to see a play or two or take in a ballet or .. There are alternatives.

The lack of culture here is not a major issue in the scheme of TV. I put it up there with missing some of my acquaintances (friends are another story) in California. When I miss my ballet, I'll find a way to watch some on TV. It ain't live, but I'm not going to cry about it.

I was first offended by the broad term of "no culture" when I read this at first. After reading the posts, I would agree, that if "musical and performance culture" is the main criteria, then a BIG city is what one needs to be in. Enjoyable and good entertainment is found here if you look.

One MAIN thing that is missing is a good classical music station. I don't have CD's of everything, nor do I want to be changing CD's every two seconds in the car and in the house. Of course I enjoy the Villages radio station. The music, the interviews, the commentaries and the oldies are fun. BUT, I basically call it the "propoganda" station. ;- You can't sit outside in a comfortable chair to read quietly without the propoganda station being on all over the place at ALL times wherever you may be. That's the design!

But yeah, a good classical music station would be wonderful. Is there one and am I missing it?

So, if you want the BEST classical music and broadway shows, you'll have to pay top dollar and pay triple the amound of money to own a house elsewhere.

One can always nit pick, but all in all, this is an awesome place to be with lots of music to be had if you're not a SNOB about it. :D

[graciegirl]

I was first offended by the broad term of "no culture" when I read this at first. After reading the posts, I would agree, that if "musical and performance culture" is the main criteria, then a BIG city is what one needs to be in. Enjoyable and good entertainment is found here if you look.

One MAIN thing that is missing is a good classical music station. I don't have CD's of everything, nor do I want to be changing CD's every two seconds in the car and in the house. Of course I enjoy the Villages radio station. The music, the interviews, the commentaries and the oldies are fun. BUT, I basically call it the "propoganda" station. ;- You can't sit outside in a comfortable chair to read quietly without the propoganda station being on all over the place at ALL times wherever you may be. That's the design!

But yeah, a good classical music station would be wonderful. Is there one and am I missing it?

So, if you want the BEST classical music and broadway shows, you'll have to pay top dollar and pay triple the amound of money to own a house elsewhere.

One can always nit pick, but all in all, this is an awesome place to be with lots of music to be had if you're not a SNOB about it. :D

Tweety? A little bird told me you sing OPERA.

[KayakerNC]

One MAIN thing that is missing is a good classical music station. I don't have CD's of everything, nor do I want to be changing CD's every two seconds in the car and in the house.
But yeah, a good classical music station would be wonderful. Is there one and am I missing it?
:D
Not free, but check out Sirius or XM Satellite Radio.
3 Classical stations for your enjoyment, half a dozen country stations for mine.
I have it in my car and they just played some Hank Snow on the Roadhouse station. :pepper2:

[cashman]

Was perusing Graciegirl's discussion about finding the Villages and was reminded that we have friends in Sarasota and Venice who come up to visit once in a while and both have said "WELL, the Villages is very nice but there really is no culture here"...which puts me into a not so nice mood. I think we have a LOT of culture here and it's growing. :beer3:

Not being able to see the rare and unique culture that is and is in the Villages is an indication that your friends do not have any culture themselves because it takes one to know one.

[Yoda]

Please excuse this lower type for asking but,

What is CULTURE & why is it.

Yoda

[redwitch]

Someone who frequents first-rate museums, gallaries and/or performing arts (symphony, ballet, opera, theatre, etc.) probably is not going to find TV right for them. They probably are not going to find any small town right for them. That's ok.

Many people enjoy having those venues available but only occasionally attend them. This group might miss these venues, but enjoy on a more routine basis the people, particular sense of community and many splendid amenities that TV does offer. (I'd put myself in this group.)

Other people don't care for the artsy scene at all.

TV isn't right for everyone. That doesn't offend me.

Okay, I was one of those who had season tickets to ACT, the symphony and ballet in San Francisco. I went to museums and art galleries almost weekly. When I moved to TV, I knew I would be giving this up. Do I miss these things? Of course I do. I also miss San Francisco sourdough bread, Gallo salame, camping every August in Yosemite; riding my bike up Mt. Diablo.

In exchange, I get enough activities to choose from to keep me occupied from 7-9 daily; some of the best neighbors I've ever had; a chance to meet some of the most wonderful people in the world; and I SMILE every day!

Pick your needs. Decide what you truly cannot live without, what you are willing to give up to live here. If the cost (both emotional and financial) is right, then TV may be right for you even with the "lack of culture."

[pooh]

Could not have said it any better, sooooooooooo i won't. But i would love a radio station in TV that would play some of my all time favorite songs.Like, I'm just a bug on the windshield of life, or My wife ran away with my best friend, and i sure do miss him.Also , How can i miss you if you won't go away. My final 2 favorites are, I'll marry you tomorrow, but let's honeymoon tonite and Beauty is only a light switch away.Just a little levity to end the day, goodnite all:laugh:

Let me know if you ever find a radio station with those songs!!...:a20::a20::a20:

[billethkid]

in relax mode of life. If I really needed a culture fix there are too many ways to get it. I don't see it as something that has to be at my elbow to enjoy where I live.

And just how many hours per week or month or year are spent involved in culture things? A very, very small percent of ones total life. I suspect even the most cultured (what ever that self gratifying measurement means)....most of the time they do what we do most of the time here in TV or any of the other non culture providing communities.

It is not what most of us had on our list of "musts" and obviously not on those that miss it. It is available....we don't need it here in our back yard.......in my humble opinion.

btk

[Taj44]

Well, if you live in The Villages, cultural activities are obviously not on your list of "musts", because they pretty much aren't available here. I think the point people are trying to make, is that everyone is different. Some people need and value cultural activites as a high priority, and will not find the Villages attractive for that reason. No reason to take offense over that or take it personally.

[champion6]

I haven't been to Sarasota and Venice Fla. so I'm curious what "culture" they offer that compares to the metropolitan areas in the US and Europe that others have mentioned.

[SNOK]

A lack of "culture" does not mean a lack of cultured people. From what I can tell, there are many, many highly cultured people that have chosen to live in TV. Most small cities and towns have a lack of big city "culture", if that is defined to mean stage and fine art entertainment. I suspect most of those cultured cities don't have many (or any) of the amenities we have in TV - nicely appointed and equiped recreation centers within walking distance of most residents, nearly 40 golf courses easily accessible, nightly live entertainment on the plazas and the beauty of the resort-style landscaping and maintenance. And, all accessable via golf cart. Add to that the mild climate and relaxed atmosphere. To me, one of the reasons, and the fun, of traveling to other places is to experience and enjoy the culture offered there. If it was all available in TV, what fun would it be to travel to NYC or any other large city, if not to have access to something not available where we live.

[BUC]

Hey, you've got Golf, Fishing and NASCAR, How much more culture does a person need?

[K9-Lovers]

a lack of "culture" does not mean a lack of cultured people. From what i can tell, there are many, many highly cultured people that have chosen to live in tv. Most small cities and towns have a lack of big city "culture", if that is defined to mean stage and fine art entertainment. I suspect most of those cultured cities don't have many (or any) of the amenities we have in tv - nicely appointed and equiped recreation centers within walking distance of most residents, nearly 40 golf courses easily accessible, nightly live entertainment on the plazas and the beauty of the resort-style landscaping and maintenance. And, all accessable via golf cart. Add to that the mild climate and relaxed atmosphere. To me, one of the reasons, and the fun, of traveling to other places is to experience and enjoy the culture offered there. If it was all available in tv, what fun would it be to travel to nyc or any other large city, if not to have access to something not available where we live.

AMEN!:agree:

[graciegirl]

..

[Taltarzac]

The nearby metro areas in Central Florida probably have much if not more to offer than many other states' in the way of culture. You just have to drive a ways.

[cashman]

One bit of my culture requirements which is missing in TV is a good draft micro beer.

I go to Sarasota Brewing Co for that.

[jmitchell]

cashman,

You have a great idea -- how about you start a Villages Mico Brew Restaurant and Pub! Or maybe TV commercial real estate can convince Gordon Biersch to open a restaurant. I think their beer is pretty good!

[SABRMnLgs]

Anyone remember "Our Gang" and the shows they had in their back yards with sheets and orange crates? Kinda like that here. The Savannah Center is an okay place for small doings but a true professional company such as "Circus Sioliel" (sp?) would not be caught dead in such a place.
As long as you have a second rate facility, you will not draw squat. That is why I cannot understand why the PALMS is constantly on almost everyone's back burner.
If you want a true state-of-the-art performing arts center such as the Performing Arts Center of Lake-Marion -Sumter counties we have to work at it. Only when it is finally built will we have music, dance, acting and the like
at the highest level.

[Pturner]

Not free, but check out Sirius or XM Satellite Radio.
3 Classical stations for your enjoyment, half a dozen country stations for mine.
I have it in my car and they just played some Hank Snow on the Roadhouse station. :pepper2:

I'm trying to resist paid radio. I've got lots of classical and rock and other music I like on my iPhone I can even plug it into the car and listen through the car speakers. From TV, Orlando, Tampa and other cities are less than two hours away.

On the other hand, the people, lifestyle and amenities in TV are nowhere else to be found!

[bkcunningham1]

You can see Cirque du Soleil at Disney. It's not that far away. How much do you suppose a venue has to pay for "true professional" performers? I read the Palms would cost about $10.9 million to construct and furnish (2009 figures).

[SABRMnLgs]

It worth be worth every penny.

[Bogie Shooter]

It worth sustain be worth every penny.

Cirque du Soleil that would be a stretch.

[Tweety Bird]

Okay, I was one of those who had season tickets to ACT, the symphony and ballet in San Francisco. I went to museums and art galleries almost weekly. When I moved to TV, I knew I would be giving this up. Do I miss these things? Of course I do. I also miss San Francisco sourdough bread, Gallo salame, camping every August in Yosemite; riding my bike up Mt. Diablo.

In exchange, I get enough activities to choose from to keep me occupied from 7-9 daily; some of the best neighbors I've ever had; a chance to meet some of the most wonderful people in the world; and I SMILE every day!

Pick your needs. Decide what you truly cannot live without, what you are willing to give up to live here. If the cost (both emotional and financial) is right, then TV may be right for you even with the "lack of culture."

Extremely well stated!!! And yes...sourdough bread!!!! Although, I must say, Fresh Market gets pretty close to that! Also, Panera Bread!!!

[swrinfla]

If you really want the "culture" you left when you moved away from your previous metropolitan area, then why did you move to rural Central Florida?

Yes, yes! Available New York City Broadway or Lincoln Center presentations aren't going to happen here in The Villages! And, may I ask, "Why in Heaven's Name should you expect them?"

In my five years here, I've seen many productions that exceeded my expectations in every respect! True, there have also been a few (very few) who shouldn't have even tried!

Please try to remember that this is a community occupied by folks who hope they're having fun, and don't really care about anything else!

SWR
:beer3:

[l2ridehd]

Certain things you just are going to have to go someplace else to get. I really like to ski. Try to get to Tahoe every few years. And so far I can't find any snow in TV. Looked everywhere and still have not found any. Museums, shows, symphony, arts and entertainment. If what you have here is not what you want, do as I do. Jump on a plane every once in a while and go to where it is. Unless someone has found that ski slope covered with snow and I missed it. No place has everything, so pick a place that has most of what you want, then travel a bit for the rest.

[zcaveman]

Please excuse this lower type for asking but,

What is CULTURE & why is it.

Yoda

After reading all if these posts I ask the same thing.

What is culture? Are we talking entertainment or are we referring to a bunch of stuffed shirts? I have been to a few "culture" events and I was not impressed with the people. I had tickets with reserved seats to plays in NYC and as soon as the doors opened it was push and shove to be the first one in. I was happier at the local Pax Amicus play theater in Byram, NJ.

According to Wikipedia:

the word "culture" is most commonly used in three basic senses:

1. Excellence of taste in the fine arts and humanities, also known as high culture

2. An integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for symbolic thought and social learning

3. The set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution, organization or group

In these posts, it seems that culture is associated with expensive plays, ballets and orchestra presentations. Then I hear that classical music stations are needed. I am waiting to read one about the lack of chess playing. I put that with definition 1.

Folks - culture is what you make it. You are all talking about entertainment and you apparently do not think that the "hicks" down here can provide that level of entrainment. Well they can. Just take the time to enjoy the plays and concerts that they have in the Villages and central Florida. If you don't like that, travel to Jacksonville to see some great shows.

As for classical music stations, there are not enough supporters to make any of the classical stations a go. Use your satellite radio or buy DVDS to satisfy your desires.


As for the term 'hicks", I need no response. I was raised in Jacksonville Florida and I know that is what you usually think of us southerners.

Z

[Yoda]

Well said Z, well said

Yoda

[Pturner]

I'm a Southerner. People can just hear my accent and think I'm an uncultured hick. But gee, to call people who have a taste for the fine arts and humanities stiff shirts-- isn't that doing the same thing in reverse. Sure, some people are pretentious about it and fit the mold. Others have a genuine appreciation and love for fine arts and humanities.

I'm not knowledgeable about the fine arts, but I've heard symphonies and seen master works of art that moved me to tears. We probably all have. On the other hand, "I love rock and roll, put another dime in the jukebox baby." Does this make me an uncultured, stiff-shirted hick? Oh wait, maybe it does. :D

Anyway, my real point is, must we be so quick to judge harshly people whose tastes and interests are different from our own.

[N'awlins Lady]

... No place has everything, so pick a place that has most of what you want, then travel a bit for the rest.

And what better place to be than TV with four major cruise ports nearby!!! :MOJE_whot:

Trudy

[downeaster]

After reading all if these posts I ask the same thing.

What is culture? Are we talking entertainment or are we referring to a bunch of stuffed shirts? I have been to a few "culture" events and I was not impressed with the people. I had tickets with reserved seats to plays in NYC and as soon as the doors opened it was push and shove to be the first one in. I was happier at the local Pax Amicus play theater in Byram, NJ.

According to Wikipedia:

the word "culture" is most commonly used in three basic senses:

1. Excellence of taste in the fine arts and humanities, also known as high culture

2. An integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for symbolic thought and social learning

3. The set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution, organization or group

In these posts, it seems that culture is associated with expensive plays, ballets and orchestra presentations. Then I hear that classical music stations are needed. I am waiting to read one about the lack of chess playing. I put that with definition 1.

Folks - culture is what you make it. You are all talking about entertainment and you apparently do not think that the "hicks" down here can provide that level of entrainment. Well they can. Just take the time to enjoy the plays and concerts that they have in the Villages and central Florida. If you don't like that, travel to Jacksonville to see some great shows.

As for classical music stations, there are not enough supporters to make any of the classical stations a go. Use your satellite radio or buy DVDS to satisfy your desires.


As for the term 'hicks", I need no response. I was raised in Jacksonville Florida and I know that is what you usually think of us southerners.

Z

Well said. BTW, although not a native of Jax, we raised our four children there. It was a great place to live and bring up a family. We would still be there if it hadn't got so "big city". That prompted us to look for an over 55 community. We found The Villages and the rest is history.

Another BTW. I have three grand children and three great grand children who are Florida natives. Two more grand sons are Georgia natives. So, I think very highly of Southerners.

[redwitch]

After reading all if these posts I ask the same thing.

What is culture? Are we talking entertainment or are we referring to a bunch of stuffed shirts? I have been to a few "culture" events and I was not impressed with the people. I had tickets with reserved seats to plays in NYC and as soon as the doors opened it was push and shove to be the first one in. I was happier at the local Pax Amicus play theater in Byram, NJ.

According to Wikipedia:

the word "culture" is most commonly used in three basic senses:

1. Excellence of taste in the fine arts and humanities, also known as high culture

2. An integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for symbolic thought and social learning

3. The set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution, organization or group

In these posts, it seems that culture is associated with expensive plays, ballets and orchestra presentations. Then I hear that classical music stations are needed. I am waiting to read one about the lack of chess playing. I put that with definition 1.

Folks - culture is what you make it. You are all talking about entertainment and you apparently do not think that the "hicks" down here can provide that level of entrainment. Well they can. Just take the time to enjoy the plays and concerts that they have in the Villages and central Florida. If you don't like that, travel to Jacksonville to see some great shows.

As for classical music stations, there are not enough supporters to make any of the classical stations a go. Use your satellite radio or buy DVDS to satisfy your desires.


As for the term 'hicks", I need no response. I was raised in Jacksonville Florida and I know that is what you usually think of us southerners.

Z

Normally, when people say a town/area/local has no culture, they are talking about the "fine arts." I love TV, but there is no way that anyone can say that TV has a lot of culture using the common vernacular.

Personally, I love the ballet, hate opera, love plays, art ... I also love the blues, good rock n roll, country, hate polka ... I love my shorts and t-shirts and truly hate makeup ... I also love my dresses and tuxedo pants and heels ... and so on and so forth.

Now, if loving some of the finer things in life makes me a stuffed shirt, so be it. My grandfather on my father's side was a hillbilly through and through. My grandfather on my mother's side was a German aristocrat. Both died before I was born but I do believe I have enough of their genetic makeup that I could live happily in either of their worlds.

I've never called someone a hick (unless I did it unknowingly as a child). Truth be told, I'm really not sure exactly what a hick is. I have a vague idea, but not a precise one -- someone from the country with a limited education (?).

The point is, I'm not sure why I should be condemned for loving classical music, fine art, etc. or be called a stuffed shirt for loving it. I'm sorry, but TV does lack good, cultural events (and, yes, I've been to several events at Savannah Center and at Church on the Square -- the Church actually has the better classical music). Doesn't make TV any less than it is, it just is. I certainly wouldn't condemn you or consider you a hick because you don't like those things, so why imply that I would?

[kentucky blue]

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The point is, I'm not sure why I should be condemned for loving classical music, fine art, etc. or be called a stuffed shirt for loving it. I'm sorry, but TV does lack good, cultural events (and, yes, I've been to several events at Savannah Center and at Church on the Square -- the Church actually has the better classical music). Doesn't make TV any less than it is, it just is. I certainly wouldn't condemn you or consider you a hick because you don't like those things, so why imply that I would?[/QUOTE]


I was born and raised on the east coast, been to NYC over a hundred times and saw it all. Two of my kids live there, the other in DC.It's a great life with everything you could ever ask for. Moved to Lexington ,Ky to play college basketball, love the South, but don't ever confuse the culture and arts of the South with the great metropolitan areas in this country.TV has very little culture ,if any at all, but that's not why we want to live here.Sooooooooooooo for all you who are getting defensive about the lack of culture in TV, live with it, because the Savanaah Center doesn't even compete with a third rate college center.TV needs a HUGE upgrade, until then, hop a plane, take a train, or automobile , because it's not here in TV land.

:ohdear:

[greg416]

Okay, I'm doing some serious ducking as I type this, but I agree -- the "culture" in TV is a joke at best. You can't have everything but TV comes darn close. I love the ballet -- it is a true passion of mine. I enjoy hearing a world class orchestra or performer. There's nothing like a Broadway play -- whether on Broadway or a good road show.

I haven't found a good ballet company in Central Florida and that does make me sad. Our symphony orchestra is not world class, but it is enjoyable on am amateur level. I will be kind and not comment on the shows/plays/musicals at Savannah Center. I have seen a couple of decent plays in Tampa, but nothing I would want to write home about.

So, given the standard criteria for "culture," TV is sorely lacking. If culture is a No. 1 priority, TV is not the place for you. If having many activities, seeing many different types of performances (although the majority will be at the amateur level at best), living with some of the most wonderful people in the world, then TV is for you.

If I am in dire need of serious culture, I'll dig out a CD and play some Yo-Yo Ma or Itzhak Perlman. I'll play a DVD of the Bolshoi on the big-screen TV in my living room. Heck, I'll even save my money and plan a trip to see a play or two or take in a ballet or .. There are alternatives.

The lack of culture here is not a major issue in the scheme of TV. I put it up there with missing some of my acquaintances (friends are another story) in California. When I miss my ballet, I'll find a way to watch some on TV. It ain't live, but I'm not going to cry about it.

Orchestra seat on Broadway is around $140 per ticket and balcony seat is around $97 plus fees from Ticketmaster

[Taj44]

I just can't believe some Villagers will condemn others because they like classical music, fine art, etc. We made a decision to live in The Villages, weighing the pros and cons, and as mentioned previously, the lack of nearby cultural activities was a "con" for us. Add narrowminded, judgemental people as another "con". Hopefully they are in small numbers here.

[redwitch]

BTW -- I'm not upset about being called a stuffed shirt (heck, I wish I could stuff a shirt -- always been on the small side). I resent the implication that I would think I'm better than someone because their taste in art, music, whatever is not my taste or that I would insult someone because the venues I want are not local. That is truly insulting!

[KayakerNC]

Normally, when people say a town/area/local has no culture, they are talking about the "fine arts." I love TV, but there is no way that anyone can say that TV has a lot of culture using the common vernacular.
And yet....Top Retirements says: Culture Index: 121+ (very high)

:click:
http://www.topretirements.com/reviews/Florida/The_Villages.html

[graciegirl]

There are a ton of cultured people who live in The Villages....and a few that live here that aren't.

When I think of a person who is cultured, I think of more than just their tastes in music and theatre or what they have read. I think of their hospitality and their demeanor and their kindness. Good manners (acting like a cultured person) are really not much more than looking out for others.

We all come from different cultures, very different, and yet we have the commonality of age and ownership. We are inventing our own "Villages culture".

We don't have a lot of things here but what we do have is indefinable. It is good. I am willing to leave the place that I have known all my life to be here.

I will ask Tweety to sing for me and Dancerbill to dance. Maybe Schuler will sing for me too. How wonderful this place is.

[mulligan]

Cultured or living in the Villages??

[macro]

What's the difference between (dis your favorite location here) and yogurt?

Yogurt has an active, living culture!

Definition of Opera: When someone gets stabbed, instead of bleeding, they sing.

That being said, the 'culture' that some people are bemoaning the lack of in TV has always been of limited appeal. Attested to by the fact that most fine arts and programs are either subsidized or dependent on generous donations from corporations or wealthy individuals. Personally, I'm moving to TV because of the 'culture of TV'. It's what 'Trips MY trigger'. Enjoying ballet, stage plays, orchestra performances, classical music, fine art, museums, etc. makes you no better nor worse than me. It simply means your tastes differ from mine. Fine arts and other forms of 'culture' are simply different forms of entertainment to be appreciated. How I choose to be entertained is MY choice, not to be judged by others, but accepted.

[graciegirl]

What's the difference between (dis your favorite location here) and yogurt?

Yogurt has an active, living culture!

Definition of Opera: When someone gets stabbed, instead of bleeding, they sing.

That being said, the 'culture' that some people are bemoaning the lack of in TV has always been of limited appeal. Attested to by the fact that most fine arts and programs are either subsidized or dependent on generous donations from corporations or wealthy individuals. Personally, I'm moving to TV because of the 'culture of TV'. It's what 'Trips MY trigger'. Enjoying ballet, stage plays, orchestra performances, classical music, fine art, museums, etc. makes you no better nor worse than me. It simply means your tastes differ from mine. Fine arts and other forms of 'culture' are simply different forms of entertainment to be appreciated. How I choose to be entertained is MY choice, not to be judged by others, but accepted.

Well said Macro.:thumbup:

[Soon2B]

Several decades ago I was fortunate to work in downtown Manhattan for a month and a half at the Time-Life building on a project with an international team. Knowing I was from Los Angeles, the locals in the office spoke endlessly of the clearly superior (to anywhere else, especially LA) CULTURE of NYC.

I had already come with an appreciation for museums, the symphony, the theatre, FM radio etc. and especially ethnic delights that NYC offered. We found the people friendlier than the stereotype mainly, perhaps, because we were friendly ourselves (several times we were told that if we had been locals they would have ignored us) as we wandered all about.

Each morning the local staff would react in horror at where we had walked. Finally after a week of hearing about the wonders of NYC from this crew, I asked just what it was they did after leaving the office. To paraphrase their responses: "why, we go straight back to our apartment, close the steel door, lock the 27 security locks, and watch television."

Our experience at some of these cultural venues (Broadway, musical events, clubs with well-known jazz musicians, et al) was that there may have been cultural opportunities but there were a lot of locals without 'culture'. They talked incessantly during performances as though they were at home watching television.

The Villages has a 'culture' and there are many 'cultured' among the population. Pick any of the items listed earlier as evidence of 'culture' and you will find it a simple matter of money to bring it to TV. We can have a world class symphony or ballet or anything else -- just get a few of the old money robber barons or some of the new money wall street thieves to donate a few hundred million here and there. Voila! Instant 'culture'!!

Billy-Joe Jim-Bob

[bkcunningham1]

macro, very well said. I can't wait to meet you and your shorter half.

[macro]

macro, very well said. I can't wait to meet you and your shorter half.

Thanks GG & BK.
Looking forward to it BK. ever get the pix out of your camera? If we can find our way out of the tangle of boxes, will try to make it to Crispers in Aug or Sept. :clap2:

[otherbruddaDarrell]

All this talk about culture takes me to thinking back of Gilligans Island.................

[Tweety Bird]

What's the difference between (dis your favorite location here) and yogurt?

Yogurt has an active, living culture!

Definition of Opera: When someone gets stabbed, instead of bleeding, they sing.

That being said, the 'culture' that some people are bemoaning the lack of in TV has always been of limited appeal. Attested to by the fact that most fine arts and programs are either subsidized or dependent on generous donations from corporations or wealthy individuals. Personally, I'm moving to TV because of the 'culture of TV'. It's what 'Trips MY trigger'. Enjoying ballet, stage plays, orchestra performances, classical music, fine art, museums, etc. makes you no better nor worse than me. It simply means your tastes differ from mine. Fine arts and other forms of 'culture' are simply different forms of entertainment to be appreciated. How I choose to be entertained is MY choice, not to be judged by others, but accepted.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! Your definition of Opera is hysterical!!! This is such a funny thread. There is nothing like a LIVE performance of your favorite singer or entertainer. There is such a "high" experiencing that. On occasion, I am willing to drive out of town and listen to a famous person. But ya know?? I am just as happy listening to the vocal chords of Petrina, Sue Schuler and others in the Villages. Yeah, I can be a snob, but I'd rather open my ears than have my nose up in the air. I might trip. :sing: --> FIGARO FIGARO FIGARO FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GAH ROW.

[bkcunningham1]

When I hear Giovanni Paisiello's The Barber of Seville, I always have a picture of Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd in my head. William Tell's Overture conjures memories of The Lone Ranger.

[macro]

IMHO, I think most people associate 'culture' with dressing up in uncomfortable clothes and attending some activity they would really not care to attend but 'really should'. 'It's the thing to do.' Just because I don't attend operas, ballets and spend my time wandering through art museums doesn't mean I don't appreciate them or the talent involved. To me, the talent required to produce an opera, art, dance, plays, orchestral arrangements, etc. is what I admire. My hat is off to the hard working people who spend so much of their life to produce those works for us to enjoy. I believe there is a goodly percentage of people at these events for the sole purpose of 'see and be seen'. I really don't care for 'pretentious'. To those who truly enjoy those things, I am sorry you have to put up with those types. Being 'cultured' doesn't mean attending all the right plays, operas, museums, making the right comments on them or the wine or which fork to use first. Culture is first and foremost courtesy, good manners and common sense. I appreciate talent wherever I see it. Popularity is not the same as talent which is why most of what we watch on the tube is generally around 50 years old or more. What currently passes for entertainment isn't very. Too many stand-ups think the sure way to get a laugh is to embarrass someone or use crude humor. Not really a prude but can't help thinking of people like Bob Hope, Will Rogers, George Goebel, Red Skelton, Bill Cosby, Etc. I can appreciate the talents required to prepare the food for a fine dining experience and the talent required for the presentation of same but, sometimes you just want to dive into a really good cheeseburger and fries. Broadway stage shows are great but I can watch 'Arsenic & Old Lace w/Jimmy Stewart over and over. A really good performance of the works of Mozart, Brahms, etc. is enjoyable and stirring but 4th of July with Arthur Feidlerand the Boston Pops can really stir you too. To paraphrase another quote, 'Life is too short to do what you don't enjoy.' Sometimes you feel like Charley Daniels in the Geico commercial. 'That's how you do it, son'. ............But I digress....

[Pturner]

There are a ton of cultured people who live in The Villages....and a few that live here that aren't.

When I think of a person who is cultured, I think of more than just their tastes in music and theatre or what they have read. I think of their hospitality and their demeanor and their kindness. Good manners (acting like a cultured person) are really not much more than looking out for others.

We all come from different cultures, very different, and yet we have the commonality of age and ownership. We are inventing our own "Villages culture".

We don't have a lot of things here but what we do have is indefinable. It is good. I am willing to leave the place that I have known all my life to be here.

I will ask Tweety to sing for me and Dancerbill to dance. Maybe Schuler will sing for me too. How wonderful this place is.

You're so right, GG. What a great perspective!

[ldj1938]

One bit of my culture requirements which is missing in TV is a good draft micro beer.

I go to Sarasota Brewing Co for that.

We had a great micro brewery here, golf medal quality, but it was sold by The Villages.:cryin2:

[Pturner]

Enjoying ballet, stage plays, orchestra performances, classical music, fine art, museums, etc. makes you no better nor worse than me. It simply means your tastes differ from mine. Fine arts and other forms of 'culture' are simply different forms of entertainment to be appreciated. How I choose to be entertained is MY choice, not to be judged by others, but accepted.

:agree:

IMHO, I think most people associate 'culture' with dressing up in uncomfortable clothes and attending some activity they would really not care to attend but 'really should'. 'It's the thing to do.'

No doubt many people-- in don't know about most-- who attend "fine arts" activities don't really care to, but think they should. However, to paraphrase your earlier insightful comment...

"How [someone else] choose[s] to be entertained is [their] choice, not to be judged by others, but accepted."

I think that's true-- even if their choice fits the "classic" definition of "culture". It seems unfounded to assume, just because some people dress up and attend such an event, that they are stiff shirts who look down their noses at others.

Now... I can't wait to hear Tweety Bird and Schuler, and I LOVE Guilligan's Island, even if I don't know how to spell it.

[macro]

:agree:



No doubt many people-- in don't know about most-- who attend "fine arts" activities don't really care to, but think they should. However, to paraphrase your earlier insightful comment...

"How [someone else] choose[s] to be entertained is [their] choice, not to be judged by others, but accepted."

I think that's true-- even if their choice fits the "classic" definition of "culture". It seems unfounded to assume, just because some people dress up and attend such an event, that they are stiff shirts who look down their noses at others.

Now... I can't wait to hear Tweety Bird and Schuler, and I LOVE Guilligan's Island, even if I don't know how to spell it.

Didn't mean to imply they were all 'stuffed shirts' but was referring to the general impression held by those who are not into that sort of thing. You would have to admit that there is probably a fair number of attendees of those events whose sole purpose is to "be seen in the 'right circles' " with no appreciation or valid interest in the art form. Those were the ones that I think give fine arts a bad rap. As I stated, I can't tolerate 'pretentious'. On our cruises, my wife looks forward to the formal nights and High Teas and the chance to dress up a bit and enjoy the atmosphere. For myself, I would be happier in the casino but will dress to accomodate the dress code and enjoy the time with her. And no, I was not being judgemental of those who choose to be entertained in that manner but rather those who are there for 'show' and try to tell us how much better they are. Not meaning to offend, just some ramblings of an aging mind. Any one seen my car keys? thought I left them in the refrigerator?

[Peggy D]

Don't know if this is cosidered "culture" but I heard The Villages Swing Band practice
Friday at Mulberry Rec. I'm not of the Swing Band era, but, boy, were they fantastic!!

Would be worth seeing in concert.

[Pturner]

Any one seen my car keys? thought I left them in the refrigerator?

Thanks, Macro. I needed that.

:mademyday:

[Freeda]

I agree with all of the previous posts; and there is such diversity of experience and talent here that even within The Villages, we are able to enjoy alot of great music, plays, and other performing arts; the jazz clubs here bring in wonderful performances, for example.

However, if one really wants the fine performing arts, they are available just 90 minutes away in Orlando - the Broadway Series, symphony and ballet; and also has museums. (Unfortunately, even in a city as large as Orlando, the opera folded earlier this year for decreased ticket sales - as have several other opera companies in prominent U S cities). Tampa, too, has some performing arts performances; and museums. When we lived in Louisville, many people drove an hour or two to come to the arts performances, and thought nothing of it.

After all, The Villages is less then 100,000 people (and even fewer during the summer), so one could hardly expect to have available right here the full performing arts calendar that would be available in metropolitan areas; but a fun night outing to Orlando is not that far to go for premium arts performances (at least until we eventually get a performing arts center built here; which is probably, and I hope, inevitable).

For a community of our population size, I would bet that The Villages offers far much more in arts that in areas with comparable population size. What other retirement communities, or even 'regular' communities of this size, even come close in the diversity and quality of arts offered?

[Pturner]

I agree with all of the previous posts; and there is such diversity of experience and talent here that even within The Villages, we are able to enjoy alot of great music, plays, and other performing arts; the jazz clubs here bring in wonderful performances, for example.

However, if one really wants the fine performing arts, they are available just 90 minutes away in Orlando - the Broadway Series, symphony and ballet; and also has museums. (Unfortunately, even in a city as large as Orlando, the opera folded earlier this year for decreased ticket sales - as have several other opera companies in prominent U S cities). Tampa, too, has some performing arts performances; and museums. When we lived in Louisville, many people drove an hour or two to come to the arts performances, and thought nothing of it.

After all, The Villages is less then 100,000 people (and even fewer during the summer), so one could hardly expect to have available right here the full performing arts calendar that would be available in metropolitan areas; but a fun night outing to Orlando is not that far to go for premium arts performances (at least until we eventually get a performing arts center built here; which is probably, and I hope, inevitable).

For a community of our population size, I would bet that The Villages offers far much more in arts that in areas with comparable population size. What other retirement communities, or even 'regular' communities of this size, even come close in the diversity and quality of arts offered?

Freeda, great post. I think you are right!

[2BNTV]

IMHO - I am a native New Yorker, (Westchester County, not the city) who lived within driving distance of everything the city has to offer, (plays, museums) which some people consider to be culture in it's highest form.
I have visited the Statue of Liberty once and have been to the Empire Sate Building twice. I would be willing to say that a great majority of New Yorkers don't go to these cultured events as frequently as they claim but go home after a hard days work and watch television. It's nice to know that it is readily accessible. There is a vibrancy to the city in terms of having many places to visit if one has enough money to party seven nights a week. If someone moved away from this type of culture, a vacation to New York where they could attend as many of these functions as possible would be a way to look at it. My impression is that people in other parts of the country have taken vacations to see broadway plays, etc. that most New Yorkers have.
They only culture I care about is living in a place where the people are nice and willing to help others. Where there main goal in life is to stay healthy and happy and share their lives with people they care about.
To each his/her own.

People are as happy as they make up their minds to be. Abraham Lincoln

[Vinny]

Culture, we don't need no stinkin Culture!

Just ask your friend if there is culture in her real estate development or does she have to go to a city to find it?

[Boomer]

Oh my goodness and lah-dee-dah. How so very hoity-toity. It sure is aggravating when people say things like that. And besides, assumptions are more often wrong than right.

I made an assumption about a club in TV. May I tell you about it........

While we were in TV on a recent visit, I was reading the Recreation News or whatever that paper is called that comes out once a week and lists the schedules for club meetings. As I glanced through the names of the clubs listed, I saw games and music and art and books and sports and dancing and singing, all kinds of stuff. Something for everybody.

But the club name that really caught my attention and made an impression was “The Gray Owls.” When I saw the name of the club, I got an instant picture in my mind of a Gray Owls meeting.......

In the picture, there were several sophisticated looking men who had gray hair. They were wearing tweed jackets with patches on the elbows. -- Yeah, I know. We were in Florida so those tweed jackets would have been pretty hot I guess. But the picture was in my mind and I don’t think there is a thermometer in there. -- Anyway, they were wearing the jackets with Bermuda shorts, open-collared shirts, and loafers with no socks. Some of the Gray Owls were smoking pipes. And some were wearing horn-rimmed glasses.

In the picture in my mind, these guys had the wardrobe down. They were the Gray Owls after all. All that wisdom at one meeting. Just imagine.

I swear to you. I do not make this stuff up. I get pictures.

I actually thought this was a club for intellectual types, perhaps retired professors or philosophers (Do philosophers ever retire?) I thought that the Gray Owls had meetings to discuss things like great books or theories or history or art or..... ohhhhh, who knows??? But that’s the picture I got by looking at just the name of their club.

Then I read the part that tells what the Gray Owls really do.

These guys meet someplace and carpool to a Hooters somewhere. But hey, who’s to say that they are not discussing great ideas while they are there.

Boomer the Assumer

[otherbruddaDarrell]

Solution to the culture problem.......................if you don't like what TV has to offer then don't buy here. Problem solved.

[uujudy]

. . .
Then I read the part that tells what the Gray Owls really do.

These guys meet someplace and carpool to a Hooters somewhere. But hey, who�s to say that they are not discussing great ideas while they are there.

Boomer the Assumer

Three Dimensional Art?

[graciegirl]

Solution to the culture problem.......................if you don't like what TV has to offer then don't buy here. Problem solved.

Other Brudda, we have a rich culture here, one that is steeped in information gathered over years of living, traveling, raising kids, working at our careers, doing our best, sometimes failing, crying, learning, forgiving and a LOT of laughter. I think that the culture here is one of great socialization and that the people who move here do not wish to live alone.

I think the culture here is hugely educated, many in formal academic settings and many in the school of life. We have a lot to learn from each other and a lot to share. We haven't reached the age of entry without forming some very solid and very stubborn ideas about things and we know enough to give each other a little room on issues.

I think we know how to drink tea and Manhattans, and even if we didn't grow up in Manhattan, we carry with us our culture, our background, our geographic origins. We are a diverse group, yet very similar. We have lived long enough to have learned a lot, seen a lot and forgotten a lot.. on purpose.

This is a perfect place and a perfect culture for me. A culture of new beginnings.

[bkcunningham1]

Gracie, please don't ever, even in jest, pray to God to keep from feeling so dumb around anyone. You are absolutely the Pearl of Allah whose culture surpasses all others. You are the Hand of Faith and golden in your wisdom. You resemble the Heart of Eternity, valued for your uniqueness. You are like painite, the rarest gem in the world.

You are the epitome of culture. Your words are very moving and wise.

[zcaveman]

There is a club here called "Eating in the Raw". Can you imagine my embarrassment when I found it was raw vegetables they were talking about?

[Boomer]

Three Dimensional Art?

Judy, I am sure you are absolutely right. And I feel quite certain that such a highbrow discussion would eventually evolve into debating that classic question, "Does life imitate art or does art imitate life?"

And, zcaveman, I saw that club name, too, and I wondered if anybody ever misinterpreted and decided to show up for a meeting.

You know, maybe this whole culture issue under discussion here just goes to show that if TV ain't got it, you don't need it.

Boomer

[Shirleevee]

IMHO - I am a native New Yorker, (Westchester County, not the city) who lived within driving distance of everything the city has to offer, (plays, museums) which some people consider to be culture in it's highest form.
I have visited the Statue of Liberty once and have been to the Empire Sate Building twice. I would be willing to say that a great majority of New Yorkers don't go to these cultured events as frequently as they claim but go home after a hard days work and watch television. It's nice to know that it is readily accessible. There is a vibrancy to the city in terms of having many places to visit if one has enough money to party seven nights a week. If someone moved away from this type of culture, a vacation to New York where they could attend as many of these functions as possible would be a way to look at it. My impression is that people in other parts of the country have taken vacations to see broadway plays, etc. that most New Yorkers have.
They only culture I care about is living in a place where the people are nice and willing to help others. Where there main goal in life is to stay healthy and happy and share their lives with people they care about.
To each his/her own.

People are as happy as they make up their minds to be. Abraham Lincoln

Culture to me? Riding the Staten Island Ferry from Staten Island to NYC and taking in all the beautiful sites......why it's almost as nice as driving around The Villages in our golf cart.

[Pturner]

Other Brudda, we have a rich culture here, one that is steeped in information gathered over years of living, traveling, raising kids, working at our careers, doing our best, sometimes failing, crying, learning, forgiving and a LOT of laughter. I think that the culture here is one of great socialization and that the people who move here do not wish to live alone.

I think the culture here is hugely educated, many in formal academic settings and many in the school of life. We have a lot to learn from each other and a lot to share. We haven't reached the age of entry without forming some very solid and very stubborn ideas about things and we know enough to give each other a little room on issues.

I think we know how to drink tea and Manhattans, and even if we didn't grow up in Manhattan, we carry with us our culture, our background, our geographic origins. We are a diverse group, yet very similar. We have lived long enough to have learned a lot, seen a lot and forgotten a lot.. on purpose.

This is a perfect place and a perfect culture for me. A culture of new beginnings.

Wow. What an honor to call you my friend!

[Pturner]

There is a club here called "Eating in the Raw". Can you imagine my embarrassment when I found it was raw vegetables they were talking about?

I hope you brought a fig leaf. :024:

[whitevibe]

Is there a chance perhaps of any form of classical, or fusion jazz, piano, instrumental, non-lyrical, unobtrusive, inspiring, uplifting, meditative, peaceful, patriotic, in other words any type of real music other than 'top 40's', would come across those speakers everywhere in town square land? What an environmental upgrade that would be to have some vestige of classy audio, not to mention another attractive enticement to potential future residents. If not, maybe after construction ceases, a poll could be taken for each square for surrounding residents to decide on a particular format or even a variety? On the visual and maintenance side of things, so glad to see more and more empire zoysia instead of floratam, a huge draw for us prospective types.

[Bogie Shooter]

Is there a chance perhaps of any form of classical, or fusion jazz, piano, instrumental, non-lyrical, unobtrusive, inspiring, uplifting, meditative, peaceful, patriotic, in other words any type of real music other than 'top 40's', would come across those speakers everywhere in town square land? What an environmental upgrade that would be to have some vestige of classy audio, not to mention another attractive enticement to potential future residents. If not, maybe after construction ceases, a poll could be taken for each square for surrounding residents to decide on a particular format or even a variety? On the visual and maintenance side of things, so glad to see more and more empire zoysia instead of floratam, a huge draw for us prospective types.

I like the music coming accross the speakers.

[rubicon]

I get all the culture I need from my yogurt. You want Broadway go back to Manhattan. It getting more and more expensive to live here. Yes I can afford to live here but it doesn't mean I want to cough up money everytime someone says "I'm borded"

[graciegirl]

Is there a chance perhaps of any form of classical, or fusion jazz, piano, instrumental, non-lyrical, unobtrusive, inspiring, uplifting, meditative, peaceful, patriotic, in other words any type of real music other than 'top 40's', would come across those speakers everywhere in town square land? What an environmental upgrade that would be to have some vestige of classy audio, not to mention another attractive enticement to potential future residents. If not, maybe after construction ceases, a poll could be taken for each square for surrounding residents to decide on a particular format or even a variety? On the visual and maintenance side of things, so glad to see more and more empire zoysia instead of floratam, a huge draw for us prospective types.

I like classics too, but I don't need elevator music played at the squares. I like to hear music from our youth, it makes me feel young.

I cannot even think for a moment how this place would be if we all had a say in things like this and I hope it never changes. Just let it be...it is really fine the way it is. In my humble opinion.

I don't think we need any more "enticements for prospective residents". The herd coming in is extremely plenty.

It is not a friendly hi to you, and I will say I am sorry, but this is my home town and I love it. I don't know if you are a villager or a prospective one, but welcome to the forum. We are a fiesty bunch, as you can see.

In the background can you hear "Night on Bald Mountain"?

[whitevibe]

Nothing wrong with lively debate, and thank you for the welcome. Still being a New Englander at heart, love to hear and share ideas with smart folks living where I'll be working.

[buckscounty]

Well said, I agree and good for you.

[Pturner]

Is there a chance perhaps of any form of classical, or fusion jazz, piano, instrumental, non-lyrical, unobtrusive, inspiring, uplifting, meditative, peaceful, patriotic, in other words any type of real music other than 'top 40's', would come across those speakers everywhere in town square land? What an environmental upgrade that would be to have some vestige of classy audio, not to mention another attractive enticement to potential future residents. If not, maybe after construction ceases, a poll could be taken for each square for surrounding residents to decide on a particular format or even a variety? On the visual and maintenance side of things, so glad to see more and more empire zoysia instead of floratam, a huge draw for us prospective types.

Hi Whitevibe,
Welcome to TOTV!

It might seem like a good idea at first blush for the three different squares to have different types of music playing from the speakers. But fact is, the speakers at the squares are broadcasting the TV radio station. This is an economical and sensible plan. It enables the developer to promote TV from the broadcasts, ensure radio advertisers a larger audience (for which ad rates are set accordingly), and at the same time, contributes a pleasing and familiar ambiance for Villagers and guests at the squares.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

.......contributes a pleasing and familiar ambiance for Villagers and guests at the squares.

And it's been mentioned here in the past that the music has 'evolved' as time has moved forward. Now playing more music that would appeal to people presently in their 50s - probably the focus of TV's current marketing efforts. That logic would make sense to me - play the music that will appeal to people in that age bracket.

Bill :)

[Pturner]

And it's been mentioned here in the past that the music has 'evolved' as time has moved forward. Now playing more music that would appeal to people presently in their 50s - probably the focus of TV's current marketing efforts. That logic would make sense to me - play the music that will appeal to people in that age bracket.

Bill :)

Yep. There are probably a thousand things The Villages does well. Marketing is one of them.

[Jhooman]

Well said!

[hedoman]

to change....if they wanted to do so.
And oh yes, something significant is missing from the info...lack of culture as measured by what?

btk

Our culture is that we have no culture....we are not a megolopolis with ballet, opera etc. We have "cultural" centers in Orlando and Ocala. Our "culture" is quiet peace, golf cart fun and an active lifestyle. If that ain't culture what is? I think these people are wannbees but can'tbees 'cos they sunk everything into where they are....I have folks that visit for the first time and it takes weeks to wipe the grin off their faces from the WOW factor that is TV...THAT's OUR culture......

[graciegirl]

Our culture is that we have no culture....we are not a megolopolis with ballet, opera etc. We have "cultural" centers in Orlando and Ocala. Our "culture" is quiet peace, golf cart fun and an active lifestyle. If that ain't culture what is? I think these people are wannbees but can'tbees 'cos they sunk everything into where they are....I have folks that visit for the first time and it takes weeks to wipe the grin off their faces from the WOW factor that is TV...THAT's OUR culture......

If I were Swimdawg. I'd give you the award.

[senior citizen]

Was perusing Graciegirl's discussion about finding the Villages and was reminded that we have friends in Sarasota and Venice who come up to visit once in a while and both have said "WELL, the Villages is very nice but there really is no culture here"...which puts me into a not so nice mood. I think we have a LOT of culture here and it's growing. :beer3:

We lived in Venice Florida and I can honestly say that the general population, at least the older ones who lived in the condos on the Esplanade which was directly on the Gulf of Mexico beachfront......were NOT as "young at heart" or in thought or deed as those who reside in THE VILLAGES.

A special breed of retired folks chose to call The Villages their home.

As for Sarasota, it has a lot going for it....the museum and such....etc., etc.

Maybe with your visitors it was just "sour grapes" because they don't live in THE VILLAGES.

We have "family members" who happen to be diehard Democrats who say something similar....."Well, it is very nice but we could not live with a bunch of Republicans". Or, "It is an adult fantasyland...but not for us."

Some think it is too neat and orderly. Can you imagine?
We thought it was perfect.

Go figure. Live and let live...........I would hope there is room for everyone's opinions and thoughts.....or pleasures in life. I'm sure there are many who do NOT choose to frequent the nightly town square entertainment....but to each his own.

We were given free tickets to the Philharmonic Orchestra , but it was the same day we had flown down from Vermont to Orlando, rented a car to drive north to TV, got lost finding the sales office in L.S.L.......got lost on the ROUNDABOUTS.....kept going back and forth over the bridge.....been taken to our rental designer home at Creekside Landing.......and just too exhausted to go.

Upon arrival, TV is quite "dizzy making."...........especially when one is up at 3 a.m. and the pilot announces he wants to de ice the plane a second time !

I'm sure the Savannah Center would have some "culture". Unless they meant by "culture" the great Cuban restaurants in Sarasota??? Again, go figure.

[senior citizen]

I like classics too, but I don't need elevator music played at the squares. I like to hear music from our youth, it makes me feel young.

I cannot even think for a moment how this place would be if we all had a say in things like this and I hope it never changes. Just let it be...it is really fine the way it is. In my humble opinion.

I don't think we need any more "enticements for prospective residents". The herd coming in is extremely plenty.

It is not a friendly hi to you, and I will say I am sorry, but this is my home town and I love it. I don't know if you are a villager or a prospective one, but welcome to the forum. We are a fiesty bunch, as you can see.

In the background can you hear "Night on Bald Mountain"?


As you mention, the music from our youth is what my hubby expected to hear on his car radio......but apparently, it was of a different era, to him at least. He was expecting late 50's and the 60's.

Unless it was just a variety that day....with the older tunes later on.......

A question re music or performances in general:

After the 4 day lifestyle visit, we moved to a home near the Legacy C.C.
During the month of November's "full moon" there was supposed to be a "drumming" ceremony outdoors, someplace by the country club grounds or the golf course???? What is that all about???? Folks were asked to bring various "drumming instruments".

It rained that night and we actually didn't hear anything at all.
Gracie, do you know about the drummers who meet under a full moon?

[NotGolfer]

We lived in Venice Florida and I can honestly say that the general population, at least the older ones who lived in the condos on the Esplanade which was directly on the Gulf of Mexico beachfront......were NOT as "young at heart" or in thought or deed as those who reside in THE VILLAGES.

A special breed of retired folks chose to call The Villages their home.

As for Sarasota, it has a lot going for it....the museum and such....etc., etc.

Maybe with your visitors it was just "sour grapes" because they don't live in THE VILLAGES.

We have "family members" who happen to be diehard Democrats who say something similar....."Well, it is very nice but we could not live with a bunch of Republicans". Or, "It is an adult fantasyland...but not for us."

Some think it is too neat and orderly. Can you imagine?
We thought it was perfect.

Go figure. Live and let live...........I would hope there is room for everyone's opinions and thoughts.....or pleasures in life. I'm sure there are many who do NOT choose to frequent the nightly town square entertainment....but to each his own.

We were given free tickets to the Philharmonic Orchestra , but it was the same day we had flown down from Vermont to Orlando, rented a car to drive north to TV, got lost finding the sales office in L.S.L.......got lost on the ROUNDABOUTS.....kept going back and forth over the bridge.....been taken to our rental designer home at Creekside Landing.......and just too exhausted to go.

Upon arrival, TV is quite "dizzy making."...........especially when one is up at 3 a.m. and the pilot announces he wants to de ice the plane a second time !

I'm sure the Savannah Center would have some "culture". Unless they meant by "culture" the great Cuban restaurants in Sarasota??? Again, go figure.

I love the above post. BUT that being said, this thread just had me shaking my head...or at least what the originator/post said re: their friends. Made me think years ago we had a friend say "I have LOTS of class, it's mostly lower!" Should we be insulted about this comment of NOT having "culture"??

[senior citizen]

Our culture is that we have no culture....we are not a megolopolis with ballet, opera etc. We have "cultural" centers in Orlando and Ocala. Our "culture" is quiet peace, golf cart fun and an active lifestyle. If that ain't culture what is? I think these people are wannbees but can'tbees 'cos they sunk everything into where they are....I have folks that visit for the first time and it takes weeks to wipe the grin off their faces from the WOW factor that is TV...THAT's OUR culture......

Well said. In our dating years we would go into New York City to the theatre or to eat at top restaurants for special occasions.......moved to Vermont in 1970 and never once missed the "culture"......although it's only a 45 minute to one hour ride away in Albany New York or in Saratoga Springs, New York or in the Berkshires of Massachusetts...........never bothered to go....as we discovered we enjoyed the small town lifestyle. Raising our family was our top priority and seeing our children's school performances , ballet recitals and now our grandchildren's performances, etc. fill the void of "lack of culture".
As you say, it is "out there" if one wants to find it..........but quiet peace is often preferable.

[senior citizen]

I love the above post. BUT that being said, this thread just had me shaking my head...or at least what the originator/post said re: their friends. Made me think years ago we had a friend say "I have LOTS of class, it's mostly lower!" Should we be insulted about this comment of NOT having "culture"??

I'm not the one making you shake your head, right????

[senior citizen]

And it's been mentioned here in the past that the music has 'evolved' as time has moved forward. Now playing more music that would appeal to people presently in their 50s - probably the focus of TV's current marketing efforts. That logic would make sense to me - play the music that will appeal to people in that age bracket.

Bill :)

Yes, that's exactly what we noticed. Were expecting "older" music.
So...it was geared to younger retirees.......makes sense.

It was still nice.

[PaPaLarry]

Not free, but check out Sirius or XM Satellite Radio.
3 Classical stations for your enjoyment, half a dozen country stations for mine.
I have it in my car and they just played some Hank Snow on the Roadhouse station. :pepper2:
And also, Comcast has music stations that are selective!!

[Russ_Boston]

One MAIN thing that is missing is a good classical music station.



There is always XM for the car/cart. And, in the house, Comcast has very good classical selections.

[whitevibe]

And directv has pandora built into the menu now, very cool ...

[NotGolfer]

I'm not the one making you shake your head, right????

Not you!!! The remark made that the people didn't think "culture" could be found here! Since I'm responding...my spouse and I will say that the ambiance here is relaxed and casual. If "culture" is needed then as one other poster wrote...fly to NY for your special weekends then come back here and relax!

[senior citizen]

Not you!!! The remark made that the people didn't think "culture" could be found here! Since I'm responding...my spouse and I will say that the ambiance here is relaxed and casual. If "culture" is needed then as one other poster wrote...fly to NY for your special weekends then come back here and relax!

I didn't think so. I'm all for peace and relaxation......:smiley:

[graciegirl]

I love Rubicon's post that if he needed culture he got it from his yogurt.

We are our own brand here for sure. And I love it.

[Midge538]

If "culture" is needed then as one other poster wrote...fly to NY for your special weekends then come back here and relax!

Welcome to the 'new' courteous (since 2004) civility of TV!

[ilovetv]

I'm still stuck on the original post, wondering why somebody who comes to visit and who considers themselves "cultured" (or courteous) would say this to a "friend" living in TV:

"WELL, the Villages is very nice but there really is no culture here"....

All a true friend has to say is "The Villages is very nice, but we're happy where we are.....we like all the cultural events/venues."

But then, maybe it would be a stretch to say "we're happy".

Happy people usually allow others to be happy while having a lifestyle/community that's different from their own.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

............All a true friend has to say is "The Villages is very nice, but we're happy where we are.....we like all the cultural events/venues."..........

The O.P.'s friends like living in the Sarasota/Venice area for their own reasons. They undoubtedly like what the area has to offer, be it things they feel are cultural, etc..............just the same as people who enjoy living in TV for what it has to offer......which IS different than what you'll find over by Sarasota.

Heck, TV would be completely overrun if EVERYBODY thought the place was perfect for them! :D

Bill :)

[duffysmom]

I have heard many negative comments about TV from people who have never been here. TV has everything I want and need to be happy so I can only pass on my joy about living here to others. I have a friend who fears that TV will not feed her culturally. So be it. After living in many beautiful places in my life time I am happy that I found by a place that feeds my soul.

[graciegirl]

I have heard many negative comments about TV from people who have never been here. TV has everything I want and need to be happy so I can only pass on my joy about living here to others. I have a friend who fears that TV will not feed her culturally. So be it. After living in many beautiful places in my life time I am happy that I found by a place that feeds my soul.

And we are so happy that you are here. You are a good, kind, smart person. And you add your lovely culture to the mix.