Stay in your lane, please!

[coffeebean]

The double yellow lines in the roadways are there for a reason. They define the space you have to keep your vehicle in the road.

I have seen, time and time again, folks crossing over the double yellow lines to give themselves more clearance from a golf cart which is well within their space in the golf cart lane. The roadway I travel most often within The Villages which has the double yellow lines is Odell Circle.

It surely isn't "snowbirds" who are guilty of this at this time of year. It is the full time residents who seem to have a big problem keeping in their space in the roadway. Is it a problem with spacial orientation? Is it a problem with depth perception? What exactly is the reason a driver seems to feel they must try to avoid a golf cart which is perfectly in their golf cart lane by crossing over the double yellow lines?

Do you recognize yourself or do you do this and not even realize you are doing this? One of these days, a car will enter the roadway in the opposite direction from a side street and a head on collision will occur. There is no reason to cross over the double yellow lines. There is plenty of room for four vehicles in these roads........one car and one golf cart in one direction and one car and one golf cart in the opposite direction. All four vehicles can be along side each other in the road and there is plenty of room for all four vehicles. I would, however, yield to a large service vehicle such as a fire truck. In that case, maybe four vehicles would not fit all in one line across the road.

Bottom line......please refrain from crossing the double yellow lines when driving alongside a golf cart which is well withing the golf cart lane. You will fit......I promise.

[billethkid]

Good luck!

[Rango]

:popcorn:

[kcrazorbackfan]

Good read. It's probably the same people that cross over into the diamond lane as they slow down TO TURN LEFT.

Stay out of the diamond lanes.

[birdiebill]

Also stay in your lane when you are going straight through the roundabouts on major roads. Just today as we were entering a roundabout in the right lane to go straight through on Morse at the Morse-Pinellas roundabout, an auto in the left lane, also going straight through, passed us upon entering the roundabout at a speed higher than 20 mph. As the car in the left lane exited the roundabout continuing on Morse, its passenger tires (right side of the car) crossed the center line and then recovered back into its left lane. Had we been closer to that car instead of dropping back a little, we could have been hit.

Likewise at the next roundabout--Morse and Hillsborough--an auto in the right lane on Morse entered the roundabout obviously driving faster than 20 mph, entered in the right lane, straddled the center line part way through, and then returned to its right lane as it continued on south or Morse.

Slow down and stay in your lane. I would like to see more traffic law enforcement on Morse and Buena Vista. Maybe with all the new law enforcement people hired due to Villages growth will be able to keep people from driving 45 to 55 mph on these roads--speed limit is 35.

[VApeople]

Bottom line......please refrain from crossing the double yellow lines when driving alongside a golf cart which is well withing the golf cart lane.

No, I am going to continue crossing the double yellow line a little when passing a golf cart. I don't like driving real close to the golf carts.

[VApeople]

Also stay in your lane when you are going straight through the roundabouts on major roads.

Yes, I always stay in my lane when going thru a roundabout.

But you are a fool if you expect others to do the same thing.

I never know what other drivers are going to do, but since I drive slow, I have always been able to adapt to their actions.

[BobnBev]

And I don't like it when the golf cart crosses over into the car lane. It happens quite often.

[VApeople]

And I don't like it when the golf cart crosses over into the car lane. It happens quite often.

Does your car have a horn?

[rockaway]

No, I am going to continue crossing the double yellow line a little when passing a golf cart. I don't like driving real close to the golf carts.

I hope you don't have a head on collision
but if a cop sees you I don't think you will like the
ticket you will get, which I saw happen to someone
doing what you say you will continue to do.

[EdFNJ]

Because golf cart drivers continually move and sometimes suddenly swerve to the left because THEY think (and may very well be) too close to the curb so sometimes the only option is to move slightly left. It's a two way street (pun intended).

Then there was the L.O.L. from Pasadena in the cute pink G.C. this morning with 2 dogs (little one on her lap big one next to her) who thinks when she reaches the point where the diamond lane merges into the CAR lane she can just stick out her left arm and cut right in front of a car that was about a car length behind her. That happened today at O'Dell by Mallory. The person in the car ended up swerving into the opposite lane just before the gate. I wish I had my phone's camera running which I often do because my wife and I was behind her in our cart and she was pointing out the "lap dog" and big dog which I couldn't see until we made the turn at the Mallory MMP.

[JimJohnson]

And that dress and them shoes!

[Martian]

Florida Statute 316.0875 says that motorists may cross the double yellow line when “an obstruction exists making it necessary”. The problem for motorists and is that this statute does not define the term, “obstruction”.

Florida law also has a 3 foot clearance rule, which means there must be at least 3 feet clearance between the passing vehicle and the vehicle being passed. In Florida the 3 feet rule specifically names bicycles as the vehicle being passed. However Florida law does state that an overtaking vehicle must maintain a "safe" separation while passing (paraphrased) leaving the interpretation of the term "safe distance" up for interpretation in the 316.0875 statue above.

Combining all of that, and the typical vagueness in laws (and rules) it is not unreasonable (to some) that a slow moving vehicle (golf cart, farm tractor, horse drawn carriage, etc.) could be considered an obstruction, and in order to pass at a "safe" separation, it would then be legal to cross the double solid line, assume all other safety regulations are observed - ie. the lane is clear of oncoming traffic, obstruction of view from curves, hills, etc.

The complication in this case would be that there is (I assume) a separate vehicle lane specifically for golf carts, and it is not unreasonable to assume the "powers that be" designed the lane the cart is in so that it provides a "safe" separation from the lane the car is in so it would most likely be a violation in that case. However, if the overtaking driver is following all passing and lane change safety regulations and not driving in any other unsafe manner, it would be highly unlikely an officer would issue a citation in this case.

Also, it is up to the driver of the over taking vehicle to take in to account erratic activity of the vehicle being passed to determine if extraordinary action is required to safely pass. For example if the driver of the golf cart is weaving and or occasionally swerving into the automobile lane. In this situation the case could easily be made that the driver in the over taking vehicle was taking necessary actions in order to avoid an accident caused by the driver of the golf cart.

Does everyone indicate they are going to change lanes with either hand or turn signals - it is a citable violation to change lanes ever without doing so, except in case of emergency. Are we also complaining about all the drivers that switch back and forth between lanes illegally - it is a violation to do so? I am sure everyone never exceeds the posted speed limit while passing/overtaking a vehicle moving in the same direction - its is a violation to do so. Do you know that it is not illegal to enter an intersection if light has turned yellow, as long as you can exit safely before it turns red. The list is quite extensive.

Well, I guess, you know, rules are rules and must be followed without exception - well, except for the exceptions I make.

[Chatbrat]

Remember our community is made up of mostly senior citizens, eye problems are prevalent, and if they retired from big cities with public transportation--TV may be they're only real driving experience--tough to learn how to drive @ 65+, also, lots of seniors are driving cars that no longer fit them--those old sway back Buicks, Cadillacs, and Town Cars with vinyl roofs are really too wide and too big for an 80 year old to handle-- its a kick to see them sway and lean around the circles drifting out of their lanes--very predictable, give them a wide birth and enjoy the show as they try and correct safely

[Mikeod]

It’s a bit alarming to be driving and see an oncoming car cross the double yellow coming at you. You don’t know if they’re drunk, having a medical event, or not paying attention. I understand the concern passing a cart because there are cart operators who seem to be so involved in their conversations they stop paying attention to the fact they are on a roadway.

To those cart drivers, I will not risk a head on collision with the car in the other lane because you can’t or don’t control your cart. I will stay in my lane. Here’s a tip. I’ve discovered when driving my cart that if it feels like the center of the diamond lane is passing right under my drivers seat, that my cart is actually centered in the lane. Well away from the line to my left and well away from the curb to my right. But most importantly, pay attention to the fact you’re sharing the road with much heavier vehicles that can do you great harm.

[retiredguy123]

No, I am going to continue crossing the double yellow line a little when passing a golf cart. I don't like driving real close to the golf carts.
I agree. I use judgement for the safety of golf carts and bicycles. If the road is clear, I will often cross the double yellow line to provide more clearance in case the cart driver accidentially moves to the left. I consider this to be a responsible defensive driving maneuver.

[billethkid]

Have you ever followed someone that will not pass a golf cart on the two lane roads in TV? (where there is a cart lane).

How about those who feel they have to swoop across lanes to make a turn?

I assume all vehicles in TV will cross the double yellow line when passing a golf cart. I assume all golf carts will encroach into the driving lane from the cart lane.
And I am right most of the time.

And I am not so sure it is limited to the aged drivers only!!

[Martian]

It’s a bit alarming to be driving and see an oncoming car cross the double yellow coming at you. You don’t know if they’re drunk, having a medical event, or not paying attention. I understand the concern passing a cart because there are cart operators who seem to be so involved in their conversations they stop paying attention to the fact they are on a roadway.

To those cart drivers, I will not risk a head on collision with the car in the other lane because you can’t or don’t control your cart. I will stay in my lane. Here’s a tip. I’ve discovered when driving my cart that if it feels like the center of the diamond lane is passing right under my drivers seat, that my cart is actually centered in the lane. Well away from the line to my left and well away from the curb to my right. But most importantly, pay attention to the fact you’re sharing the road with much heavier vehicles that can do you great harm.

I agree with you, and I am fairly certain everyone would. The question as I saw it was what if there is no on coming traffic in the other lane, and a car moves across the double line to provide an additional safety margin between them and the golf cart they are passing.

On the one hand the rules are the rules (laws) and it is illegal to cross the double line. PERIOD. On the other hand, if there is clear visibility and no other conditions is it such a bad thing to provide a little additional margin of safety.

[Martian]

I agree. I use judgement for the safety of golf carts and bicycles. If the road is clear, I will often cross the double yellow line to provide more clearance in case the cart driver accidentially moves to the left. I consider this to be a responsible defensive driving maneuver.

:coolsmiley:

[stan the man]

The double yellow lines in the roadways are there for a reason. They define the space you have to keep your vehicle in the road.

I have seen, time and time again, folks crossing over the double yellow lines to give themselves more clearance from a golf cart which is well within their space in the golf cart lane. The roadway I travel most often within The Villages which has the double yellow lines is Odell Circle.

It surely isn't "snowbirds" who are guilty of this at this time of year. It is the full time residents who seem to have a big problem keeping in their space in the roadway. Is it a problem with spacial orientation? Is it a problem with depth perception? What exactly is the reason a driver seems to feel they must try to avoid a golf cart which is perfectly in their golf cart lane by crossing over the double yellow lines?

Do you recognize yourself or do you do this and not even realize you are doing this? One of these days, a car will enter the roadway in the opposite direction from a side street and a head on collision will occur. There is no reason to cross over the double yellow lines. There is plenty of room for four vehicles in these roads........one car and one golf cart in one direction and one car and one golf cart in the opposite direction. All four vehicles can be along side each other in the road and there is plenty of room for all four vehicles. I would, however, yield to a large service vehicle such as a fire truck. In that case, maybe four vehicles would not fit all in one line across the road.

Bottom line......please refrain from crossing the double yellow lines when driving alongside a golf cart which is well withing the golf cart lane. You will fit......I promise.

Soon will be able to blame the snowbirds

[coffeebean]

No, I am going to continue crossing the double yellow line a little when passing a golf cart. I don't like driving real close to the golf carts.

Plea falling on deaf ears. You are going to cause an accident some day.

[coffeebean]

I agree. I use judgement for the safety of golf carts and bicycles. If the road is clear, I will often cross the double yellow line to provide more clearance in case the cart driver accidentially moves to the left. I consider this to be a responsible defensive driving maneuver.

Do you feel safe driving on the Turnpike at 70 MPH while staying in your lane? Just wondering.

[coffeebean]

I agree. I use judgement for the safety of golf carts and bicycles. If the road is clear, I will often cross the double yellow line to provide more clearance in case the cart driver accidentially moves to the left. I consider this to be a responsible defensive driving maneuver.

Sorry to disagree with you but that is a very dangerous maneuver.

[coffeebean]

Have you ever followed someone that will not pass a golf cart on the two lane roads in TV? (where there is a cart lane).

How about those who feel they have to swoop across lanes to make a turn?

I assume all vehicles in TV will cross the double yellow line when passing a golf cart. I assume all golf carts will encroach into the driving lane from the cart lane.
And I am right most of the time.

And I am not so sure it is limited to the aged drivers only!!

Those are the unsafe drivers. Safe drivers stay in their lane. Period.

[coffeebean]

I agree with you, and I am fairly certain everyone would. The question as I saw it was what if there is no on coming traffic in the other lane, and a car moves across the double line to provide an additional safety margin between them and the golf cart they are passing.

On the one hand the rules are the rules (laws) and it is illegal to cross the double line. PERIOD. On the other hand, if there is clear visibility and no other conditions is it such a bad thing to provide a little additional margin of safety.

I have two words for this statement......side streets. Yes, cars enter the roadway from side streets. This is when it becomes an issue for a head on collision.

[dewilson58]

I have to cross the double lines to avoid the dog poop.

[billethkid]

rationalizing that it is OK to cross the double yellow line is akin to being OK to exceed the speed limit as long as there is not a cop around.

I wonder why it is not an option to SLOW down and stay in one's lane until clear of the obstacle? As has already been stated....there is plenty of room.

[Martian]

I have to cross the double lines to avoid the dog poop.






:bigbow::coolsmiley::a040:

[Fredster]

Seems a number of TV cart drivers are not gifted spatially and they drive very close to the white line.
If I come upon that type, I slow down as I pass them, but I stay in my lane!
Also remind myself....what’s the rush!

[Martian]

rationalizing that it is OK to cross the double yellow line is akin to being OK to exceed the speed limit as long as there is not a cop around.

Well, not exactly, in the one case it is doing something that is not necessarily dangerous, in the other it is being aware it is illegal and trying "get away with it" by not getting caught. Getting caught never entered into my suggestion, while being careful did.

I wonder why it is not an option to SLOW down and stay in one's lane until clear of the obstacle? As has already been stated....there is plenty of room.

That is certainly an option when it is not possible to be safe.

ife is seldom a mater of black and white, nuance and shades of grey enter into almost everything.

I assume you never speed and always come to a complete stop any stop signs when 30 miles from the nearest town in the country where you can see forever in both directions and no one else has driven on this road in the past 10 years.

[retiredguy123]

Do you feel safe driving on the Turnpike at 70 MPH while staying in your lane? Just wondering.
I don't feel safe driving on the Turnpike at all. I try to avoid it, if I can. But, there are no golf carts or bicycles on the Turnpike.

[Fredster]

You move to TV which is a golf cart community,
but then you can’t drive your car around it pretending it’s not!
Cautionary common sense is in order!

[VApeople]

Plea falling on deaf ears.

Yeah, that usually happens when you make a plea for other people to behave in a manner that suits you.

[bob47]

I have to cross the double lines to avoid the dog poop.







I simply don't understand what a post like this adds to the conversation.

[coffeebean]

/// Oops. My quote came out wacky. I'll try that again.

[retiredguy123]

I don't own a golf cart because I wouldn't feel safe sharing the same roads with regular cars and SUVs. I also don't feel safe driving a car on the Turnpike and sharing the road with 18 wheelers, but I do it when I need to. I use extra caution to give golf carts more space than regular cars because I would feel very badly if I collided with a goft cart and someone was injured. Yes, I often slow down when passing a golf cart, but that also increases the time in which you are side by side with the cart, especially when the cart is exceeding 20 MPH. Each situation is a judgement call, and sometimes, I find it safer to provide a little more clearance for the cart. I also move way to the left when I pass someone walking a dog.

[coffeebean]

I simply don't understand what a post like this adds to the conversation.

Humor? I thought it was funny. LOL.

[coffeebean]

rationalizing that it is OK to cross the double yellow line is akin to being OK to exceed the speed limit as long as there is not a cop around.

I wonder why it is not an option to SLOW down and stay in one's lane until clear of the obstacle? As has already been stated....there is plenty of room.

I would not call a golf cart driving properly and safely in the golf cart lane an obstacle unless the driver drifts to the left of the lane and infringes into the street. That is a completely different scenario and requires the auto vehicle to slow down to avoid the "obstacle" encroaching in the vehicular lane.

The Villages infrastructure was built to accommodate a golf cart and cars or trucks driving in the same direction in their respective lanes. Trust the infrastructure.

[coffeebean]

Seems a number of TV cart drivers are not gifted spatially and they drive very close to the white line.
If I come upon that type, I slow down as I pass them, but I stay in my lane!
Also remind myself....what’s the rush!

Very nicely stated and I get it. I agree with you to slow down as you pass one of these not gifted spatially cart drivers, do not cross the double yellow lines.

Be safe out there!

[Two Bills]

I would not call a golf cart driving properly and safely in the golf cart lane an obstacle unless the driver drifts to the left of the lane and infringes into the street. That is a completely different scenario and requires the auto vehicle to slow down to avoid the "obstacle" encroaching in the vehicular lane.

The Villages infrastructure was built to accommodate a golf cart and cars or trucks driving in the same direction in their respective lanes. Trust the infrastructure.

....but never the driver!!:ohdear:

[coffeebean]

I don't feel safe driving on the Turnpike at all. I try to avoid it, if I can. But, there are no golf carts or bicycles on the Turnpike.

No there aren't......just speeding vehicles.

[coffeebean]

Yeah, that usually happens when you make a plea for other people to behave in a manner that suits you.

Well, if that is the way you see it. {{{shrugs}}}

[coffeebean]

....but never the driver!!:ohdear:

Totally agree with this statement.

[Martian]

I simply don't understand what a post like this adds to the conversation.

It's called humor which conversations today could use a lot more of.

[dewilson58]

I simply don't understand what a post like this adds to the conversation.






Ditto.

[Nucky]

Ditto.


Thank You! :1rotfl::clap2::mademyday::ohdear:

[BobnBev]

I simply don't understand what a post like this adds to the conversation.

It adds a little levity.....no harm, no fowl...lighten up already.:ohdear:

[Topspinmo]

I don’t pass cart with on coming traffic. If I see DS cart driver that can’t keep the cart going straight. I wait till NO oncoming traffic and steer clear of the cart when I pass. You don’t know if the oncoming car crossing the center line from intention driving, on cell phone, texting, drunk, high, or Just CAN’T DRIVE. I also try not to be beside cart when oncoming vehicles meet in line.

[Topspinmo]

Plea falling on deaf ears. You are going to cause an accident some day.

Really, I sure don’t cross the line when vehicles are approaching. the ones crossing the line are NOT paying attention to traffic approaching

[Martian]

Really, I sure don’t cross the line when vehicles are approaching. the ones crossing the line are NOT paying attention to traffic approaching

Hmm and how do you know what they are paying attention to?

[Topspinmo]

Hmm and how do you know what they are paying attention to?

Well, evidently not keeping between the lines, IF their crossing over WHEN on coming traffic COMING

[EdFNJ]

The Villages infrastructure was built to accommodate a golf cart and cars or trucks driving in the same direction in their respective lanes. Trust the infrastructure.


Ever drive down Rio Grande Ave (PAST where they recently widened the "diamond lanes" but narrowed the car lanes)? Golf cart barely fits and some just don't. Larger Cars and humongous landscape trailers barely fit in the "widened" section. Chances of rubbing the curb there is quite high so "trust the infrastructure" is not the case all over TV.

[coffeebean]

Ever drive down Rio Grande Ave (PAST where they recently widened the "diamond lanes" but narrowed the car lanes)? Golf cart barely fits and some just don't. Larger Cars and humongous landscape trailers barely fit in the "widened" section. Chances of rubbing the curb there is quite high so "trust the infrastructure" is not the case all over TV.

I agree with you about the infrastructure north of 466. That is why I do not ever drive our golf cart north of 466.

As an aside.....north of 466, were the golf cart paths widened or the street lanes widened? I'm confused by what you said. Either way.....I find it too dangerous driving a golf cart north of 466 and stay clear of that area in the golf cart. I did, however, drive the cart once to Spanish Springs just to say I did. I enjoyed going over the little bridge.

[anothersteve]

Ever drive down Rio Grande Ave (PAST where they recently widened the "diamond lanes" but narrowed the car lanes)? Golf cart barely fits and some just don't. Larger Cars and humongous landscape trailers barely fit in the "widened" section. Chances of rubbing the curb there is quite high so "trust the infrastructure" is not the case all over TV.

The cart lane on Rio Grande from Avenida Central to Del Mar is especially narrow. To be absolutely safe and stay in the lane you need to ride in the gutter. I see carts wobble in and out of that lane all the time. That is one part of the lane a cart driver really needs to slow down.
Steve

[Martian]

Well, evidently on between the lines, IF their crossing over WHEN on coming traffic COMING


I went back and read the original post, and all it says is "someday" a car might come in the opposite direction.

If you ar responding to some other post in the thread, I apologize, I don't recall it.

[VApeople]

I don’t pass cart with on coming traffic.

Yeah, I don't either. I would rather slow down and wait for the oncoming car to get by and then go around the cart.

[Retiring]

The double yellow lines in the roadways are there for a reason. They define the space you have to keep your vehicle in the road.

I have seen, time and time again, folks crossing over the double yellow lines to give themselves more clearance from a golf cart which is well within their space in the golf cart lane. The roadway I travel most often within The Villages which has the double yellow lines is Odell Circle.

It surely isn't "snowbirds" who are guilty of this at this time of year. It is the full time residents who seem to have a big problem keeping in their space in the roadway. Is it a problem with spacial orientation? Is it a problem with depth perception? What exactly is the reason a driver seems to feel they must try to avoid a golf cart which is perfectly in their golf cart lane by crossing over the double yellow lines?

Do you recognize yourself or do you do this and not even realize you are doing this? One of these days, a car will enter the roadway in the opposite direction from a side street and a head on collision will occur. There is no reason to cross over the double yellow lines. There is plenty of room for four vehicles in these roads........one car and one golf cart in one direction and one car and one golf cart in the opposite direction. All four vehicles can be along side each other in the road and there is plenty of room for all four vehicles. I would, however, yield to a large service vehicle such as a fire truck. In that case, maybe four vehicles would not fit all in one line across the road.

Bottom line......please refrain from crossing the double yellow lines when driving alongside a golf cart which is well withing the golf cart lane. You will fit......I promise.

A rare instance where I get to use my Harvard Medical School education. The reason I rarely use it might be because I didn’t finish.

Anyway, I can appreciate the OPs frustration. You know there is enough room to pass yet you pass wide. The problem might also be age related. As we age, our vision starts to experience problems. A person’s visual acuity can be normal (e.g. 20/20) but other visual factors can present, light sensitivity, glare, poor depth perception, poor side vision, and diminished color perception.

When you pass that GC you (OP) can see there is plenty of room. To a person with “aging eyes” the GC might appear closer than it really is. I say err on the side of safety. If you think you’re too close, pass wide. If it looks like crossing the double yellow will conflict with oncoming traffic, slow till you see a gap in oncoming traffic and pass. Do not pass a vehicle so close as to make you uncomfortable. The last thing we want is you looking down on a bleeding GC occupant saying, I thought I had enough room. As we say in the airlines, when in doubt, take a safety pause.

[retiredguy123]

A rare instance where I get to use my Harvard Medical School education. The reason I rarely use it might be because I didn’t finish.

Anyway, I can appreciate the OPs frustration. You know there is enough room to pass yet you pass wide. The problem might also be age related. As we age, our vision starts to experience problems. A person’s visual acuity can be normal (e.g. 20/20) but other visual factors can present, light sensitivity, glare, poor depth perception, poor side vision, and diminished color perception.

When you pass that GC you (OP) can see there is plenty of room. To a person with “aging eyes” the GC might appear closer than it really is. I say err on the side of safety. If you think you’re too close, pass wide. If it looks like crossing the double yellow will conflict with oncoming traffic, slow till you see a gap in oncoming traffic and pass. Do not pass a vehicle so close as to make you uncomfortable. The last thing we want is you looking down on a bleeding GC occupant saying, I thought I had enough room. As we say in the airlines, when in doubt, take a safety pause.
I agree. I think that being safe is more important than not crossing a double yellow line. I didn't finish Harvard Medical School either.

[VillageIdiots]

Stay in your lane? How about stay on the road please? I was just out riding my cart over on the new MMP where it also doubles as part of the Hogeye sink walking trail. Here comes a blue Toyota Camry coming from the Hogeye sink area and going around a golf cart only roundabout. Not the first time I've seen or heard about cars getting on the cart paths. There are a couple that I can see how that mistake could be made - that particular area is NOT one of them.

[EdFNJ]

Ever drive down Rio Grande Ave (PAST where they recently widened the "diamond lanes" but narrowed the car lanes)? Golf cart barely fits and some just don't. Larger Cars and humongous landscape trailers barely fit in the "widened" section. Chances of rubbing the curb there is quite high so "trust the infrastructure" is not the case all over TV.

I agree with you about the infrastructure north of 466. That is why I do not ever drive our golf cart north of 466.

As an aside.....north of 466, were the golf cart paths widened or the street lanes widened? I'm confused by what you said. Either way.....I find it too dangerous driving a golf cart north of 466 and stay clear of that area in the golf cart. I did, however, drive the cart once to Spanish Springs just to say I did. I enjoyed going over the little bridge.


Read my post again. Quoted above yours.

[Topspinmo]

I agree with you about the infrastructure north of 466. That is why I do not ever drive our golf cart north of 466.

As an aside.....north of 466, were the golf cart paths widened or the street lanes widened? I'm confused by what you said. Either way.....I find it too dangerous driving a golf cart north of 466 and stay clear of that area in the golf cart. I did, however, drive the cart once to Spanish Springs just to say I did. I enjoyed going over the little bridge.

Spainish springs is not north of 466 it’s east or northeast. District 3 and 4 north of 466.

[Topspinmo]

A rare instance where I get to use my Harvard Medical School education. The reason I rarely use it might be because I didn’t finish.

Anyway, I can appreciate the OPs frustration. You know there is enough room to pass yet you pass wide. The problem might also be age related. As we age, our vision starts to experience problems. A person’s visual acuity can be normal (e.g. 20/20) but other visual factors can present, light sensitivity, glare, poor depth perception, poor side vision, and diminished color perception.

When you pass that GC you (OP) can see there is plenty of room. To a person with “aging eyes” the GC might appear closer than it really is. I say err on the side of safety. If you think you’re too close, pass wide. If it looks like crossing the double yellow will conflict with oncoming traffic, slow till you see a gap in oncoming traffic and pass. Do not pass a vehicle so close as to make you uncomfortable. The last thing we want is you looking down on a bleeding GC occupant saying, I thought I had enough room. As we say in the airlines, when in doubt, take a safety pause.

:bigbow:

[Polar Bear]

Spainish springs <sic> is not north of 466...
???

[anothersteve]

Spainish springs is not north of 466 it’s east or northeast. District 3 and 4 north of 466.

Spanish Springs is north of 466.


Steve

[Martian]

A rare instance where I get to use my Harvard Medical School education. The reason I rarely use it might be because I didn’t finish.

Anyway, I can appreciate the OPs frustration. You know there is enough room to pass yet you pass wide. The problem might also be age related. As we age, our vision starts to experience problems. A person’s visual acuity can be normal (e.g. 20/20) but other visual factors can present, light sensitivity, glare, poor depth perception, poor side vision, and diminished color perception.

When you pass that GC you (OP) can see there is plenty of room. To a person with “aging eyes” the GC might appear closer than it really is. I say err on the side of safety. If you think you’re too close, pass wide. If it looks like crossing the double yellow will conflict with oncoming traffic, slow till you see a gap in oncoming traffic and pass. Do not pass a vehicle so close as to make you uncomfortable. The last thing we want is you looking down on a bleeding GC occupant saying, I thought I had enough room. As we say in the airlines, when in doubt, take a safety pause.

But, But, But...

Rules are Rules. No exceptions. If you are too old to stay in your lane, why did you move into a senior citizen community. You should haver known you were going to have to pass golf carts here...

[Polar Bear]

...Rules are Rules. No exceptions...
Sorry, but there ARE exceptions.

[Martian]

Sorry, but there ARE exceptions.

Sorry, it was sarcasm

[dillywho]

Where are you supposed to drive to get around maintenance vehicles (yard maintenance, etc.) when your lane is substantially narrowed? That is an instance where crossing the double line becomes necessary......or you can just sit and wait for them to finish, I suppose.

[Number 10 GI]

I will move over when passing a GC after checking for oncoming traffic as the distance between a vehicle and a GC on many of the streets in TV is quite narrow. If for whatever reason the driver of the GC happens to drift a bit to the left they can strike the passing vehicle and the GC will not fare well against a 3,500lb vehicle. That little bit of extra distance I give them could be enough to avert a possibly severe accident for the GC.
My biggest complaint is with the people who seem to always be in a hurry and excessively exceed the speed limit. We are for the most part all retired so why are there so many in such a rush? In TV there are too many slow moving vehicles like golf carts and bicycles on our streets.

[coffeebean]

Stay in your lane? How about stay on the road please? I was just out riding my cart over on the new MMP where it also doubles as part of the Hogeye sink walking trail. Here comes a blue Toyota Camry coming from the Hogeye sink area and going around a golf cart only roundabout. Not the first time I've seen or heard about cars getting on the cart paths. There are a couple that I can see how that mistake could be made - that particular area is NOT one of them.

Is there really a golf cart only RAB? South of 44 there are these golf cart only RABs? Can someone take a photo and post it. I'd love to see what it looks like and how it functions. Thanks.

[coffeebean]

Read my post again. Quoted above yours.

Got it....the car lanes were narrowed and the golf cart lanes were widened. I guess that was to minimize golf cart drivers slamming into the curb or driving partly in the vehicle lane. I still don't drive my golf cart north of 466. Scares the heck out of me.

[coffeebean]

Spainish springs is not north of 466 it’s east or northeast. District 3 and 4 north of 466.

Morse Blvd goes north and south. When I pass 466 heading north on Morse Blvd., anything in that area is north of 466 to me.

[anothersteve]

Morse Blvd goes north and south. When I pass 466 heading north on Morse Blvd., anything in that area is north of 466 to me.

And post #64 proves that point.
Steve

[coffeebean]

And post #64 proves that point.
Steve

Yes, it does. Thanks, Steve.

[DAVES]

The double yellow lines in the roadways are there for a reason. They define the space you have to keep your vehicle in the road.

I have seen, time and time again, folks crossing over the double yellow lines to give themselves more clearance from a golf cart which is well within their space in the golf cart lane. The roadway I travel most often within The Villages which has the double yellow lines is Odell Circle.

It surely isn't "snowbirds" who are guilty of this at this time of year. It is the full time residents who seem to have a big problem keeping in their space in the roadway. Is it a problem with spacial orientation? Is it a problem with depth perception? What exactly is the reason a driver seems to feel they must try to avoid a golf cart which is perfectly in their golf cart lane by crossing over the double yellow lines?

Do you recognize yourself or do you do this and not even realize you are doing this? One of these days, a car will enter the roadway in the opposite direction from a side street and a head on collision will occur. There is no reason to cross over the double yellow lines. There is plenty of room for four vehicles in these roads........one car and one golf cart in one direction and one car and one golf cart in the opposite direction. All four vehicles can be along side each other in the road and there is plenty of room for all four vehicles. I would, however, yield to a large service vehicle such as a fire truck. In that case, maybe four vehicles would not fit all in one line across the road.

Bottom line......please refrain from crossing the double yellow lines when driving alongside a golf cart which is well withing the golf cart lane. You will fit......I promise.

My dad taught me to drive in 1968. His main advice was expect people to to the stupidest possible thing because that is exactly what they are going to do. Later it was more politically correct called DEFENSIVE DRIVING.

Almost every accident can be avoided thus they are not really an accident. One or both parties did not remember what my dad said and I've shared will all of you.

[Martian]

Almost every accident can be avoided thus they are not really an accident. One or both parties did not remember what my dad said and I've shared will all of you.

I completely agree.

The exceptions are very rare - unless your name is Wile E. Coyote, then watch out for falling safes...