How many WOULD use Marijuana if it was legal

[Martian]

As a parallel to another thread that asked how many use pot, how about how many would?

Being in Florida with it's serious sentencing guidelines for minor infractions of pot, and being in the VA healthcare and "rumors" that a new policy of denying healthcare if your blood work shows evidence of using, since it is a Federal crime, we choose to not use MJ in any forms at the moment.

We believe the stigma is moral and economics and not that it is a dangerous drug. We, my wife and I, believe it to be a much more acceptable recreational drug than Alcohol and would use it in place of the occasional glass of wine if it were legal at the Federal and State levels.

How about you.

[John_W]

My neighbor went to a doctor in Orlando, paid $250 and saw some fellow on a TV screen. Answered a few questions and now has weed delivered to his CYV legally by a dispensary in Lady Lake.

Could you qualify for a Florida medical marijuana card? What you should know

Sun Sentinel - June 20, 2019

More than 300,000 Florida residents have qualified for a medical marijuana card since the state legalized its use for certain health conditions. Do you think you might qualify?

Here’s some advice from certified medical marijuana clinics and doctors about what you should know before seeking a recommendation for medical marijuana treatment.

How do I find a certified doctor?
The state has made it simple: Go to the “Physician’s Search Tool” on Florida’s Office of Medical Marijuana Use site to find a doctor that has taken the state required training and is certified.

There are more than 2,300 Florida doctors in specialties including family care, oncology, gynecology and dermatology who are on the list, broken down by county.

There also are dedicated medical marijuana clinics that have certified doctors.

Still, further checking on the selected doctor is always a good idea.

The state site’s search tool will tell you whether the doctor’s license is “clear and active,” which means the doctor doesn’t have any disciplinary action or public complaints against him or her in Florida.

For a full search on a doctor practicing in Florida, go to the Department of Health’s site.

You also should consider how extensive of a consultation you want, because there are all kinds.

Do you want a doctor who will treat you on an ongoing basis to monitor marijuana’s effectiveness on your health condition? Or do you want the quickest path to a medical marijuana card? There are trade-offs that may involve costs and your health.

Dr. Anthony Hall, a certified medical marijuana doctor and neurologist in Lauderhill, says consumers need to be aware that a medical marijuana treatment appointment is for a “medical examination.” He says some people expect a five-minute survey and they’ll be signed up for a card.

“There’s going to be a full medical history and examinations. I look at images and lab results,” he says.

Dr. Paul Weisman, a former emergency room doctor who now focuses on medical marijuana treatment, says patients often look him up for help after they’ve obtained a card.

“I have tremendous amount of people call me after they’re certified. They didn’t know what to do,” says Weisman, a qualified doctor who provides medical marijuana treatment under the name of Concierge Cannabis Centers in Plantation, Boca Raton and Wellington. He also travels to some patients’ homes.

Weisman says his goal is to treat patients so they can live their “highest quality life."

Some patients find they are sensitive to THC, or or tetrahydrocannabinol — the chemical responsible for the euphoric sensation or “high."

“No two people are the same. And we change every day, from an additional injury or recovering from an injury or illness,” he says.

[tophcfa]

As stated above, it is legal with a medical card.

[Martian]

As stated above, it is legal with a medical card.

Actually it is debatable if it is legal, since it is still classified as a controlled substance federally.

In most cases Fed's look the other way in states with legal medical MJ or legal Recreational MJ. But, the fed's don't have to look the other way.

I prefer not to spend 5 years with free room and board from the state on the outside chance.

And for us, like I said, the remote chance the VA would kick us out of the system is even a worse risk. The VA healthcare system is fantastic and free (except for co-pays) and we would not risk that under any circumstances.

So, until the fed's change the federal law/classification we will not risk it.

[LI SNOWBIRD]

Been there, done that in the 70's. I wouldn't even if it was legal.

[Nucky]

Not a chance for us.

Not a problem for others, Puff - Puff Away!

[billethkid]

No thanks.

If I am going to lose touch with reality then my choice is a good cognac and a cigar.

[manaboutown]

No way! I will not take 'stupid or psychosis pills' either. Effects of Pot | Long-Term Effects of Weed | Dangers of Marijuana (https://americanaddictioncenters.org/marijuana-rehab/long-term-effects)

Long-term effects of cannabis - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_cannabis)

[New Englander]

I have no interest in marijuana whether it's legal or not.

[PrudentLifer]

I was given a ration of crap on another thread about this subject. Fact is, pot makes you lazy and dumbed down. I've known many stoners over the years.


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[Velvet]

Personally, I don’t like drugs in general except when absolutely necessary. The docs don’t make much money on me and I love my senses as they are.

I have tried to understand an addicted friend once by sharing and then I spent a whole week worried that I may never be the same again. That was enough.

[karostay]

Chicken Little

Reefer Madness 1936 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYHDzrdXHEA)

[karostay]

No thanks.

If I am going to lose touch with reality then my choice is a good cognac and a cigar.

Kill brain cells and lung tissue

[Topspinmo]

Lots of dope heads and alcoholics around here and everywhere else so other than few that actually have medical need I’m sure lots would do if legal.

Course there are the potheads that going to do legal or not. Why it’s billion dollar business in USA. College party/dopers than never grown up.

When you think about the majority country has become weak whining enablers that can’t make it through day with out fix on something.:ohdear:

[billethkid]

Kill brain cells and lung tissue

Not when done right (as is by most of us!!).

Cigarette smokers get enjoyment/satisfaction/hooked by inhaling and rotting their lungs......none of which is done or needed when enjoying a good cigar!!

[Dionysos]

I’ll vote no just because of the choices. For me I personally don’t like to be high and had plenty of experience when I was younger. but who am I do judge others who do. There are so many different reasons why people use Cannabis. Some use for recreation, some for meds and some for no reason at all.

I think stereotyping any group is wrong and unfair. Imagine if the Local Drinking population was treated and judged the same. Just because a couple has a few cocktails a day, I would never think them to be alcoholics and assume they Beat their spouses or dumber then those who don’t drink. That’s how a lot of these views on Cannabis sound and again I say a bit “archaic”

[Dionysos]

Not when done right (as is by most of us!!).

Cigarette smokers get enjoyment/satisfaction/hooked by inhaling and rotting their lungs......none of which is done or needed when enjoying a good cigar!!

My good friend has lip cancer from smoking cigars. It all has risks obviously. I enjoy a good cigar and scotch from time to time but accept that is has some consequences. We are no different then some who enjoys a joint and a beer.

[Aloha1]

Nope. Much prefer a glass of good wine.

[vintageogauge]

My good friend has lip cancer from smoking cigars. It all has risks obviously. I enjoy a good cigar and scotch from time to time but accept that is has some consequences. We are no different then some who enjoys a joint and a beer.

I too had a friend that enjoyed "safe" cigars, he ended up with tongue cancer at 42 and it was so painful he took his life. No one knows what pesticides are used on those cigars, remembering paraquat.

[Fredster]

I was given a ration of crap on another thread about this subject. Fact is, pot makes you lazy and dumbed down. I've known many stoners over the years.


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I recall one pot smoker, he was an Architect in his early 40’s living in his parents basement!
He definitely lacked motivation!

[kpd3062]

I would use it if legal. But probably not smoke it. I would prefer to use it orally, topically or some other method. I just don't care for the smell of want the smoke in my lungs.

[Martian]

I would use it if legal. But probably not smoke it. I would prefer to use it orally, topically or some other method. I just don't care for the smell of want the smoke in my lungs.

I completely agree.

[Ladygolfer93]

As school administrator seen way too many potentially bright engaged students loose all interest in building a career, going to college or trade school, and eventually just "drifted" through life, contributed nothing to family and community. A few "woke up" along the way, but so many did go on to other drugs and greater risk. Just say "no" really never worked, those who wish of experience altered states are free to do so, including alcohol. To each their own. Many alcoholics and other drug classification addicts, have become wildly successful. It's a gamble and a matter of personal choice. I am also sorry to see cell phone use while driving so seldom enforced, and add MJ to an already out of control driving under the influence problem, we'll never see relief in auto insurance rates with the never ending rise of accidents and deaths.

[manaboutown]

I would divide them as lotus eaters or perhaps wanna be lotus eaters versus responsible, hard working, achieving folks.

[Dionysos]

I would divide them as lotus eaters or perhaps wanna be lotus eaters versus responsible, hard working, achieving folks.


Sounds like you are describing meth heads or crack users. I have quite a few friends who use cannabis and they are highly successful. One a CEO of a Fortune 500 company and a couple who’s net worth is quite large. So putting them in a non “achieving” category is just plain ignorant. I am sure there are 1000’s of examples that would prove you wrong.

Don't Judge Someone Just Because They Sin Differently Than You Do!

[Fredster]

Sounds like you are describing meth heads or crack users. I have quite a few friends who use cannabis and they are highly successful. One a CEO of a Fortune 500 company and a couple who’s net worth is quite large. So putting them in a non “achieving” category is just plain ignorant. I am sure there are 1000’s of examples that would prove you wrong.

Don't Judge Someone Just Because They Sin Differently Than You Do!

And I would guess there are many thousands of users that ruined their chances of becoming successful in life!

[karostay]

I bet Jim Bean has taken down way more careers than Marry Jane

[Dionysos]

And I would guess there are many thousands of users that ruined their chances of becoming successful in life!

100% agree but I would still not use a paint brush approach to all. Plenty of non functional people in every category. Drinkers, smokers, swingers, pot smokers etc.... I’m not a scholar nor a statistician but I bet you could find equal failure with every group I mentioned above. I was probably considered a pot head in the 70s but had zero affect in my success. Even though I don’t indulge anymore I’ll 100% support those who do. If I was perfect in every sense I might feel ok with throwing out some unfounded claims and opinions, but I hate being a hypocrite since I’m far from perfect. I apologize in advance in case you are and feel justified.

Cheers

[Dionysos]

I bet Jim Bean has taken down way more careers than Marry Jane

Interesting you say that. Ben Kovler a very close business associate is the Jim Beam Heir that founded Green Thumb Industries. The largest MSO in the US. Soon coming to the Villages as Rise dispensary.

[Fredster]

100% agree but I would still not use a paint brush approach to all. Plenty of non functional people in every category. Drinkers, smokers, swingers, pot smokers etc.... I’m not a scholar nor a statistician but I bet you could find equal failure with every group I mentioned above. I was probably considered a pot head in the 70s but had zero affect in my success. Even though I don’t indulge anymore I’ll 100% support those who do. If I was perfect in every sense I might feel ok with throwing out some unfounded claims and opinions, but I hate being a hypocrite since I’m far from perfect. I apologize in advance in case you are and feel justified.

Cheers

Wether the form that’s used is liquid, solid or gas it is still a mind altering chemical.
Some people are predisposed to becoming addicted, which often effects their lives in a negative way.
Curious as to why you quit?

[Dionysos]

Wether the form that’s used is liquid, solid or gas it is still a mind altering chemical.
Curious as to why you quit?

I just started to not enjoy it as much is all. As far a comparing drinking a few beers now compared to smoking a joint back then. I can assure you the few beers is way more mind altering. My wife does Delta 8 exclusively for BC treatments and has done miracles to say the least.

[Fredster]

I just started to not enjoy it as much is all. As far a comparing drinking a few beers now compared to smoking a joint back then. I can assure you the few beers is way more mind altering. My wife does Delta 8 exclusively for BC treatments and has done miracles to say the least.

Good to hear that your wife has found something that works well for her!

[manaboutown]

Sounds like you are describing meth heads or crack users. I have quite a few friends who use cannabis and they are highly successful. One a CEO of a Fortune 500 company and a couple who’s net worth is quite large. So putting them in a non “achieving” category is just plain ignorant. I am sure there are 1000’s of examples that would prove you wrong.

Don't Judge Someone Just Because They Sin Differently Than You Do!


Nope, I am describing people I knew whose lives, after they started to smoke pot, went down the pot. Pardon the pun.

Thousands of examples may 'prove me wrong' but hundreds of thousands of examples would prove me right!

[Dionysos]

Nope, I am describing people I knew whose lives, after they started to smoke pot, went down the pot. Pardon the pun.

Thousands of examples may 'prove me wrong' but hundreds of thousands of examples would prove me right!

So should we prohibit alcohol? It kills and destroys way more lives? Again I’m not personally for pot hence my vote but more of a defender of free will. Where do you draw the line?

[Martian]

If I was perfect in every sense I might feel ok with throwing out some unfounded claims and opinions, but I hate being a hypocrite since I’m far from perfect.
Cheers

Here, here! I often say I have no right to tell someone else how to be happy since I struggle daily with being happy myself.

[manaboutown]

So should we prohibit alcohol? It kills and destroys way more lives? Again I’m not personally for pot hence my vote but more of a defender of free will. Where do you draw the line?

If you defend free will how far do you go, to Heroin?

History of opium in China - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_opium_in_China)

[Dionysos]

If you defend free will how far do you go, to Heroin?

History of opium in China - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_opium_in_China)

Really! We are talking about Cannabis and alcohol. My free will was directed at the topic at hand. Please answer the question about alcohol as a simple comparison.

[Martian]

If you defend free will how far do you go, to Heroin?

History of opium in China - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_opium_in_China)

I personally go with science. When it comes to using various drugs, I look at that a lot like letting people own guns. I don't care that you own and use guns for your own reasons, when you kill someone with a gun, you better have a really good justification.

Same with drugs, none of my business how you get your buzz on, alcohol, pot, heroine, cocaine or opium - you name it. Now, if you get a buzz on and climb behind the wheel of your car, we are going to have a problem regardless of which method you used to get you buzz.

Smoking and alcohol are good examples of two widely used drugs that cost society hundreds of billions of dollars every year. Personally, I could see requiring people to carry insurance to. cover the costs their particular vice will likely cost society... but that idea is not about to fly...

[Velvet]

Are we allowed to mention religion on this forum? I can’t remember. Jesus turned water into wine at a wedding so apparently he sanctioned it. But on the cross when it was offered to him he refused it. The Bible presents the use of alcohol in moderation only. But the Reformed church doesn’t like alcohol and serves only grape juice beside the host.

[manaboutown]

I personally go with science. When it comes to using various drugs, I look at that a lot like letting people own guns. I don't care that you own and use guns for your own reasons, when you kill someone with a gun, you better have a really good justification.

Same with drugs, none of my business how you get your buzz on, alcohol, pot, heroine, cocaine or opium - you name it. Now, if you get a buzz on and climb behind the wheel of your car, we are going to have a problem regardless of which method you used to get you buzz.

Smoking and alcohol are good examples of two widely used drugs that cost society hundreds of billions of dollars every year. Personally, I could see requiring people to carry insurance to. cover the costs their particular vice will likely cost society... but that idea is not about to fly...

Fortunately, smokers must now pay more for life insurance, as they most certainly should!

[Martian]

Are we allowed to mention religion on this forum? I can’t remember. Jesus turned water into wine at a wedding so apparently he sanctioned it. But on the cross when it was offered to him he refused it. So if he is a role model for some Christians... the Reformed church doesn’t like alcohol and serves only grape juice beside the host.

I was raised southern baptist, and was taught that the "wine" Jesus created was really just "grape juice" and not alcoholic. Funny thing about that which always bothered me was the guests at the party commented about how he didn't bring out the "best wine" (the wine he created) until late into the party, since common practice was to bring out the best wine at the beginning and then when everyone was drunk to bring out the cheap stuff, because they would never notice.

Just saying - :)

[edit] I guess if religious discussion is not allowed we will go down together! :)

[manaboutown]

Really! We are talking about Cannabis and alcohol. My free will was directed at the topic at hand. Please answer the question about alcohol as a simple comparison.

Actually, the topic at hand is marijuana. Not alcohol or any other 'substance'.

[Martian]

Fortunately, smokers must now pay more for life insurance, as they most certainly should!

True and a start, but that doesn't help medical care costs, and fire costs, etc, etc, etc...

[edit] I am an ex smoker and we are the worst at complaining about smokers!

[manaboutown]

True and a start, but that doesn't help medical care costs, and fire costs, etc, etc, etc...

[edit] I am an ex smoker and we are the worst at complaining about smokers!

Of course not.

[Martian]

Actually, the topic at hand is marijuana. Not alcohol or any other 'substance'.

Well, I guess the topic at hand is about the use of MJ, and it would seem to be reasonable to discuss why one does or doesn't use it by comparing it to other substances of similar function. Especially when comparing it to Heroine and Opium which are some of the most addictive substances in use and MJ is illegal because the Federal Government believes it is just as addictive. Obviously, ranking relative addiction rates is a reasonable comparison to use in deciding which if any substance is used for recreational purposes.

I personally don't care if someone uses or doesn't, but I do find it interesting to discuss why someone feels someone else should not be allowed to use it.

[Dionysos]

Actually, the topic at hand is marijuana. Not alcohol or any other 'substance'.

You are contradicting your own signature. Either state that drinking is safer for society or it is not and if so Alcohol should be equally treated as cannabis and made illegal. Do you drink sir?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I have no problem with other people wanting to smoke pot. Or eat food made with it. Did both when I was a kid. Weird thing was though, it usually ended up with me being nauseated, or dizzy with the bed spins. Eventually I got smart and realized doh - stop doing that stuff. So I stopped. If I had an illness and thought cannabis would be helpful in treatment or alleviate pain of the illness, I would absolutely positively give it a try.

I do use handcream made with hemp oil in it.

But for recreational use, I'd prefer one nice big frozen pina colada with an extra shot of rum.

[PrudentLifer]

What da ya think these guys have to say?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191007/18ea7f68b1f779fa4197f92b2c02acf6.jpg


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Dionysos]

What da ya think these guys have to say?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191007/18ea7f68b1f779fa4197f92b2c02acf6.jpg


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

I swear I have seen the one on the left on the patio at City Fire:)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I swear I have seen the one on the left on the patio at City Fire:)

That's Tommy Chong. He smoked plenty recreationally, and now uses it to help battle the side effects of his cancer treatments.

[manaboutown]

You are contradicting your own signature. Either state that drinking is safer for society or it is not and if so Alcohol should be equally treated as cannabis and made illegal. Do you drink sir?

See post #8.

In my experience potheads, like other drug addicts and substance abusers, rationalize their drug usage to excuse acknowledging their addiction.

[pbkmaine]

If it becomes legal for recreational use, I plan to try a marijuana brownie.

[manaboutown]

That's Tommy Chong. He smoked plenty recreationally, and now uses it to help battle the side effects of his cancer treatments.

Tommy Chong Discusses His Cancer Treatment - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/tommy-chong-discusses-cancer-treatment/story?id=31873021)

[Martian]

If it becomes legal for recreational use, I plan to try a marijuana brownie.

I am with you! I expect there will be a "pot" luck dinner in TV some place!

[Martian]

Just as a counter point to smoking pot leads to failures. Steve Jobs created and led Apple to become one of the most valuable companies in the world.

Just saying.

I expect a lot of the failures that smoked pot would have been failures anyway.

No scientific studies show any significant reduction in success of pot smokers.

However, a LOT of people lose everything when they become addicted to alcohol. My father in law was one, after repeatedly being sent to "dry out camps" by his company they gave up and he lost everything - his savings, his retirement, his family and finally his life.

[Martian]

Tommy Chong Discusses His Cancer Treatment - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/tommy-chong-discusses-cancer-treatment/story?id=31873021)

Thank you, I respect a person that can take a viewpoint opposing me, and argue it intelligently. I may not agree with you, but I certainly respect you.

[billethkid]

1320 views with only 50-ish survey responses to the survey.

Even recognizing the possible repeat hits, like mine, the lack of participation rate is more than significant!!

So sadly typical of lack of participation.

[PennBF]

How many react with (Name Drug, including beer, booze, cigs, etc etc) are worse than Pot and justify their usage as they are better off with Pot. This is a common reaction to justify and rationalize their drug usage. Of course smoking has proven to be one of the major causes of Bladder Cancer but is not relevant to these comparisons by the user. As they say you can't fix stupid!:ohdear:

[PrudentLifer]

If pot is so harmless, why the need for advocates? Has anyone ever advocated for alcohol, other than those selling it? We know the bad things overuse of alcohol can do. Why are pot advocates not expressing the same for their drug of choice. Everything about pot is unicorns, fairies and miracles? The blinders need to be removed. If pot had been the drug of choice for the burgeoning western civilization, there would be no western civilization. No global exploration, conquest and no great scientific or artistic achievements that have made us the greatest civilization in history.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Dionysos]

Pretty sure our founding fathers promoted hemp.

Hemp and Our Founding Fathers - World History (https://worldhistory.us/american-history/hemp-and-our-founding-fathers.php)

[PrudentLifer]

Pretty sure our founding fathers promoted hemp.

Hemp and Our Founding Fathers - World History (https://worldhistory.us/american-history/hemp-and-our-founding-fathers.php)



I would not have fought for this.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191007/72e8792b5758a12d84c4953c7ecb46c4.jpg


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[karostay]

No thanks.

If I am going to lose touch with reality then my choice is a good cognac and a cigar.

Smell of Cigar smoke is about as appealing as burning garbage

[manaboutown]

Smell of Cigar smoke is about as appealing as burning garbage

I agree and marijuana as it is smoked smells like burning garbage, grass and leaves from trees all mixed together.

[karostay]

I agree and marijuana as it is smoked smells like burning garbage, grass and leaves from trees all mixed together.

Old school...new class

[manaboutown]

Pretty sure our founding fathers promoted hemp.

Hemp and Our Founding Fathers - World History (https://worldhistory.us/american-history/hemp-and-our-founding-fathers.php)

Well, they used to bleed people to cure them. Dec. 14, 1799: The excruciating final hours of President George Washington | PBS NewsHour (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/dec-14-1799-excruciating-final-hours-president-george-washington)

[PrudentLifer]

Well, they used to bleed people to cure them. Dec. 14, 1799: The excruciating final hours of President George Washington | PBS NewsHour (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/dec-14-1799-excruciating-final-hours-president-george-washington)



In the future, will our medical science procedures be seen in the same light we see here?


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Dionysos]

In the future, will our medical science procedures be seen in the same light we see here?


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Haha, I don't think we are going back to archaic or medieval health care anytime soon. Even if we do, you and I will be long since dead!

[PrudentLifer]

Haha, I don't think we are going back to archaic or medieval health care anytime soon. Even if we do, you and I will be long since dead!



Not claiming our science is "medieval", just current. A hospital stay isn't exactly a walk in the park.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Dionysos]

Not claiming our science is "medieval", just current. A hospital stay isn't exactly a walk in the park.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Yeah I get you and totally agree no "walk in the park" Now its big pharma and Insurance doing the bloodletting.

[billethkid]

Smell of Cigar smoke is about as appealing as burning garbage

I wouldn't know not frequenting burning garbage locations!

You know that old saying? To each his own.....

And aren't we all glad we don't have to like what everybody else likes (OR NOT!!!).

[John_W]

If I had the chance I would not. Main reason is I now have COPD from 35 years of cigarette smoking. Actually when I play golf one fellow in my group smokes a cigar and I rather enjoy the smell. If I didn't have lung problems, I still probably wouldn't, last time I smoked was with Jim Dandy of Black Oak Arkansas, so I have that going for me. If anybody wants to know where David Lee Roth got his act, it was Jim Dandy.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/jim-dandy-mangrum-performing-with-black-oak-arkansas-at-the-beacon-picture-id524799990?s=612x612

However, the years have not been good for Jim Mangrum, this is what smoking, drugging and drinking does to you.

https://retrorockblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/hqdefault.jpg

[dewilson58]

No thanks.

If I am going to lose touch with reality then my choice is a good cognac and a cigar.






:bigbow:

[PennBF]

It is not humor to joke about Pot usage. As the experts will tell you about 20% of users of pot move on to different drugs, (E.G. Heron, Coke, Meth, etc). Below the age of 18 the impact on the user is also faster brain damage, etc. As an example of a quiet impact of a drug you should consider that in some cases when using a pain killer drug the pain can go away so the brain creates its own demand for the drug by pretending to be the source of the pain. The usage of pots has a number of effects on the body and if it is believed it is the source of your good feeling you are just being a sucker to the drug as it is having a host of impacts on your body and brain. Because you "feel good" is a temporary relief as it has you and fools you. Who is the SAP. The person who recognizes the need to keep the body and mind clean or the one who runs the body and mind to the ground for a "quick good feeling". :ohdear:

[roob1]

Yes you are better off using alcohol, nicotine, or an opioid or benzo prescribed by your MD....yea right LOL. These constitute the real substance abuse problems in this country. But oh wait, they must be OK for us because we as a society approve their usage...NOT.

Even if it is true that 20% of pot users move on to different drugs, one can not establish that they move on because of using pot, i.e. a cause/effect relationship can not be concluded, only a possible relationship. More than likely they moved on to harder substances for a similar reason they began using pot.


It is not humor to joke about Pot usage. As the experts will tell you about 20% of users of pot move on to different drugs, (E.G. Heron, Coke, Meth, etc). Below the age of 18 the impact on the user is also faster brain damage, etc. As an example of a quiet impact of a drug you should consider that in some cases when using a pain killer drug the pain can go away so the brain creates its own demand for the drug by pretending to be the source of the pain. The usage of pots has a number of effects on the body and if it is believed it is the source of your good feeling you are just being a sucker to the drug as it is having a host of impacts on your body and brain. Because you "feel good" is a temporary relief as it has you and fools you. Who is the SAP. The person who recognizes the need to keep the body and mind clean or the one who runs the body and mind to the ground for a "quick good feeling". :ohdear:

[manaboutown]

Marijuana may be a gateway drug, especially with adolescents. Marijuana Has Proven to Be a Gateway Drug - NYTimes.com (https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/04/26/is-marijuana-a-gateway-drug/marijuana-has-proven-to-be-a-gateway-drug)

[PoolBrews]

No. One. Cares.

[PrudentLifer]

No. One. Cares.



Many. People. Do.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..." [emoji527]
George Orwell

[PennBF]

Regarding a response to my note. I hope no one thought that was an endorsement to any other drug. If so that was a real reading ability problem as the message was totally against ANY drug regardless what it is!!:ohdear:

[PrudentLifer]

Regarding a response to my note. I hope no one thought that was an endorsement to any other drug. If so that was a real reading ability problem as the message was totally against ANY drug regardless what it is!!:ohdear:

Ability rather than comprehend, I like that. :pepper2:

[Ben Franklin]

Opinions don't matter, unless they're backed up with facts. I haven't seen facts being bantered around in this string. Marijuana is much less dangerous than alcohol, both are a drug, but we never discuss alcohol as a drug, because it's socially accepted.

Which Is More Dangerous: Alcohol or Drugs? | Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-addiction/201601/which-is-more-dangerous-alcohol-or-drugs)

Marijuana is federally illegal, because it's not based on facts or science, but because the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, Harry Anslinger, needed more to justify his job. Prior to 1937 marijuana was legal in the US.

The man behind the marijuana ban for all the wrong reasons - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harry-anslinger-the-man-behind-the-marijuana-ban/)

Marijuana research: Aside from the $10 million a day we give to Israel, the NIH has been subsidizing marijuana research in Israel for over 50 years. Today, thanks to our tax dollars, Israeli citizens have the best medical marijuana system in the world, while our government lies to us about the lack of marijuana research. Israel has also decriminalized marijuana.

The Outsourcing of American Marijuana Research (https://www.newsweek.com/2015/12/25/outsourcing-american-marijuana-research-406184.html)

Maybe facts will help people decide.

[PrudentLifer]

And the beat goes on.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Dionysos]

Opinions don't matter, unless they're backed up with facts. I haven't seen facts being bantered around in this string. Marijuana is much less dangerous than alcohol, both are a drug, but we never discuss alcohol as a drug, because it's socially accepted.

Which Is More Dangerous: Alcohol or Drugs? | Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-addiction/201601/which-is-more-dangerous-alcohol-or-drugs)

Marijuana is federally illegal, because it's not based on facts or science, but because the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, Harry Anslinger, needed more to justify his job. Prior to 1937 marijuana was legal in the US.

The man behind the marijuana ban for all the wrong reasons - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harry-anslinger-the-man-behind-the-marijuana-ban/)

Marijuana research: Aside from the $10 million a day we give to Israel, the NIH has been subsidizing marijuana research in Israel for over 50 years. Today, thanks to our tax dollars, Israeli citizens have the best medical marijuana system in the world, while our government lies to us about the lack of marijuana research. Israel has also decriminalized marijuana.

The Outsourcing of American Marijuana Research (https://www.newsweek.com/2015/12/25/outsourcing-american-marijuana-research-406184.html)

Maybe facts will help people decide.

Even with facts, stats and proof, some people can't get past the stigma associated with Cannabis. Its honestly shocking the poll is 30% that would try if made federally legal. Add the 20-30% already using some form of Cannabis including Hemp derivatives around here, it will become the new norm.

Israel is so advanced as far as research and acceptance goes is insane. My wife and I flew there monthly for a year during her BC treatment. They formulated a pure Delta 8 product along with CBG (counter acts the high) and CBDN. Never once sick and 110% better then ever. Also without the need for hormone therapy and other big pharma crap.

[PennBF]

As stated in a previous note it was just time before someone started with marijuana is better than alcohol and lo and behold here it is. Next thrust in supporting marijuana is where are the facts? If a user wants to use and justify marijuana one of the illrational basis they use is that one. First: both are drugs!. Second: there is a host of documented facts relative to the impact of marijuana usage on youth under 18. Third: There are loads of documented facts regarding it being a "gateway" drug. Fourth: To gain a better understanding attend one of the Narc Anonymous meetings in the Villages. I have never used a "Drug" to spice up my life and at this age I don't intend to start. Given this I still have been exposed to some of the impacts through knowledge, treatment experts and some who have suffered from its usage, etc. Every time i read or hear someone try to make light of a drug or influence our youth with the rationalizing that it is OK I feel compelled to speak up.:ohdear:

[PrudentLifer]

As stated in a previous note it was just time before someone started with marijuana is better than alcohol and lo and behold here it is. Next thrust in supporting marijuana is where are the facts? If a user wants to use and justify marijuana one of the illrational basis they use is that one. First: both are drugs!. Second: there is a host of documented facts relative to the impact of marijuana usage on youth under 18. Third: There are loads of documented facts regarding it being a "gateway" drug. Fourth: To gain a better understanding attend one of the Narc Anonymous meetings in the Villages. I have never used a "Drug" to spice up my life and at this age I don't intend to start. Given this I still have been exposed to some of the impacts through knowledge, treatment experts and some who have suffered from its usage, etc. Every time i read or hear someone try to make light of a drug or influence our youth with the rationalizing that it is OK I feel compelled to speak up.:ohdear:



STOP. Logic is not logical. [emoji16]


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Ben Franklin]

As stated in a previous note it was just time before someone started with marijuana is better than alcohol and lo and behold here it is. Next thrust in supporting marijuana is where are the facts? If a user wants to use and justify marijuana one of the illrational basis they use is that one. First: both are drugs!. Second: there is a host of documented facts relative to the impact of marijuana usage on youth under 18. Third: There are loads of documented facts regarding it being a "gateway" drug. Fourth: To gain a better understanding attend one of the Narc Anonymous meetings in the Villages. I have never used a "Drug" to spice up my life and at this age I don't intend to start. Given this I still have been exposed to some of the impacts through knowledge, treatment experts and some who have suffered from its usage, etc. Every time i read or hear someone try to make light of a drug or influence our youth with the rationalizing that it is OK I feel compelled to speak up.:ohdear:

It would probably have been more instructive, and less opinionated, if you had directly quoted the post you are referring to. Alcohol IS a drug. It is just socially accepted.

The studies you refer to, do you have any you can share? You do know that, not just anyone can do studies in the US, without government approval. And no one said anything about those under 18 using any drugs. Legal or not, they are going to do it, however. In my high school, back before marijuana, about 80% of the class got boozed up on the weekends. I didn't have my first drink until I was about 23. Today, I like a couple of glasses of wine with my dinner.

Since our taxes paid for all the research in Israel, perhaps you can start here. Maybe you'll find the research you're looking for.

Google Scholar (https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Israeli+research+on+marijuana&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart)

[PrudentLifer]

As a child it took me many years before I fully understood what my father often told me. " Never trust a man who doesn't drink." He also told me, " never go out into the rain without first wearing your rubbers." Both sage advice which I've passed onto my sons. [emoji16]


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[eyc234]

Question: Are we talking medical use of marijuana or recreational get stoned? Medical use without stoned, in a non smoking ingestion, controlled by medical personnel? Do not know the answer to this but how many other chemicals are ingested when you smoke dope? Would also ask the comparison of one beer to smoking one joint. One beer can drive and have no physical impairment. One joint of the now much stronger marijuana today, are you impaired to the point of not being safe in a car or any vehicle or machinery? For me drinking a glass of wine with dinner is not for getting drunk, relaxed or impaired. From what have seen one joint is for getting stoned thus impaired.

[Ben Franklin]

As a child it took me many years before I fully understood what my father often told me. " Never trust a man who doesn't drink." He also told me, " never go out into the rain without first wearing your rubbers." Both sage advice which I've passed onto my sons. [emoji16]


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

My father told me, "not to speak, unless I had the facts." He also said, "I don't care what others are saying, use your own voice." Lots of sage advice from our fathers.

[PrudentLifer]

My father told me, "not to speak, unless I had the facts." He also said, "I don't care what others are saying, use your own voice." Lots of sage advice from our fathers.



Those I learned from my mother. [emoji846]


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Evidence that cannabis is less dangerous than alcohol (notice I don't say better, safer, healthier, superior to, etc. I specify "less dangerous" intentionally):

From the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, a government website:
An estimated 88,0008 people (approximately 62,000 men and 26,000 women8) die from alcohol-related causes annually, making alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States.

That's 88 thousand people JUST in the USA.

Perhaps a thousand people die yearly, worldwide, as a direct result of use or abuse of THC and/or the Cannabis plant.

Cannabis, in particular the chemical component THC, is used legally and medically with prescription to treat the side effects of cancer treatment. Marinol is one such prescription.
Consumable (only ethyl) alcohol has zero approved medical use, except as a base for actual medicine (such as Nyquil and other elixers).

According to the CDC (another government website), "death" isn't even on the list of health risks for use of cannabis. But there is an entire website for the government dedicated to health effects of alcohol (see above).

Whether or not someone "would" use cannabis at some point if it was made legal, would depend entirely on that person, in each person's circumstances. You might say "never ever ever! today, and be stricken with cancer next week and beg for a Marinol prescription.

In addition, you might say "never ever ever it's so bad horrible bad!" to cannabis, while sucking down your fifth martini of the day and it isn't even suppertime yet.

I wouldn't worry too much about Judgey McJudgester the Internet-Armchair Opinion-Talker.

[PrudentLifer]

Evidence that cannabis is less dangerous than alcohol (notice I don't say better, safer, healthier, superior to, etc. I specify "less dangerous" intentionally):

From the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, a government website:


That's 88 thousand people JUST in the USA.

Perhaps a thousand people die yearly, worldwide, as a direct result of use or abuse of THC and/or the Cannabis plant.

Cannabis, in particular the chemical component THC, is used legally and medically with prescription to treat the side effects of cancer treatment. Marinol is one such prescription.
Consumable (only ethyl) alcohol has zero approved medical use, except as a base for actual medicine (such as Nyquil and other elixers).

According to the CDC (another government website), "death" isn't even on the list of health risks for use of cannabis. But there is an entire website for the government dedicated to health effects of alcohol (see above).

Whether or not someone "would" use cannabis at some point if it was made legal, would depend entirely on that person, in each person's circumstances. You might say "never ever ever! today, and be stricken with cancer next week and beg for a Marinol prescription.

In addition, you might say "never ever ever it's so bad horrible bad!" to cannabis, while sucking down your fifth martini of the day and it isn't even suppertime yet.

I wouldn't worry too much about Judgey McJudgester the Internet-Armchair Opinion-Talker.



It's not as if these 88 thousand people died immediately after taking a swig! The real danger is how many of the walking dead, aka the brain fried tokesters,are living among us.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It's not as if these 88 thousand people died immediately after taking a swig! The real danger is how many of the walking dead, AKA the brain fried tokesters are living among us.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Fewer than brain-fried alcoholics.

Remember Reefer Madness was a propaganda film from 1936. Actual science has debunked the propaganda. Cannabis is one of THE most studied plants, and THC one of THE most researched drugs, ever. Contrary to other propaganda that would want you to believe otherwise.

You can find thousands of studies on each right online, or in your local library, or in any medical library.

[PrudentLifer]

Fewer than brain-fried alcoholics.



Remember Reefer Madness was a propaganda film from 1936. Actual science has debunked the propaganda. Cannabis is one of THE most studied plants, and THC one of THE most researched drugs, ever. Contrary to other propaganda that would want you to believe otherwise.



You can find thousands of studies on each right online, or in your local library, or in any medical library.



I have no desire to learn about something I don't care about. My life's experience has proven I can detect a pothead from the first 5 minutes of conversation. So, either these people have similar personalities or their brains are affected in a similar way.
Bottom line. I would not fight side by side with a pothead, but I would with an alcoholic. Potheads can't be trusted.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[PennBF]

Two in the family have a long history of treating addicts who were on Coke, Meth, Heron, Oxycontin, Alcohol, Marijuana, Co Dependency, etc. If you want the facts regarding drugs you may want to earn the right to understand them by doing some work. I don't intend to do it for those too lazy to do it for themselves. If the individual does the homework it may help them to understand the threat to their bodies and mind and cause them to go for help. These are family illnesses. A village AA or NA is a great place to start. If you don't study the problem then you really don't want to get better and have little concern for those around you who experience the impact of your abuse. Go to the internet and look up "Villages AA and NA Meetings" and you will be surprised how many are available for you to attend. Also, Ala Non for those who are living with an addict. It is a great gift to yourself and for the family Ala Non is a great gift to themselves. :ho:

[Polar Bear]

...My life's experience has proven I can detect a pothead from the first 5 minutes of conversation...
I would hope you could see the flaw in that “logic”. I did’t think so.

You could well be right about those you judged to be potheads, although it’s not certain at all. But all those other folks you’ve met in your life’s experience...you don’t have a clue.

[karostay]

During my working days..The 420 crowd were ready to work everyday..The bottle bunch were unable till about noon

[Dionysos]

Two in the family have a long history of treating addicts who were on Coke, Meth, Heron, Oxycontin, Alcohol, Marijuana, Co Dependency, etc. If you want the facts regarding drugs you may want to earn the right to understand them by doing some work. I don't intend to do it for those too lazy to do it for themselves. If the individual does the homework it may help them to understand the threat to their bodies and mind and cause them to go for help. These are family illnesses. A village AA or NA is a great place to start. If you don't study the problem then you really don't want to get better and have little concern for those around you who experience the impact of your abuse. Go to the internet and look up "Villages AA and NA Meetings" and you will be surprised how many are available for you to attend. Also, Ala Non for those who are living with an addict. It is a great gift to yourself and for the family Ala Non is a great gift to themselves. :ho:

Geez, where do you draw the line? Look at everything you wrote above. Each and every one is a formulation made with Chemistry, oh except Marijuana!!! Its a damn plant, like a carrot,sage, orchids etc....

Or is it about the addiction argument?
If so do you consider constant message board posting some form of addiction. I do know they have programs for that as well. Here would be an example:

"A Debate Troll
Someone who loves a good argument. They can take a great, thoroughly researched and fact-based piece of content, and come at it from all opposing discussion angles to challenge its message.

They believe they're right, and everyone else is wrong. You'll often also find them leaving long threads or arguments with other commenters in community comment sections, and they're always determined to have the last word – continuing to comment until that other user gives up"

Think you need to stop stereo typing so broadly and think Cannabis users are non productive people, who will be snorting coke, or injecting meth because they use or try MJ. Using me as a example who used to enjoy smoking back in the day, just decided to not really indulge anymore and was simple to just stop. No Clinics or AAA simply because its not near as addictive as you think. Also if you want to judge success from a ex "STONER" you would be shocked of what I have accomplished and I bet million others!!!!!

In conclusion, I think I'll go out in the garden a pick some fresh basil and sage to flavor my freshly caught wahoo. I hope while cooking it does not get me "HIGH" cuz plants are very very bad!

Cheers

[karostay]

I have no desire to learn about something I don't care about. My life's experience has proven I can detect a pothead from the first 5 minutes of conversation. So, either these people have similar personalities or their brains are affected in a similar way.
Bottom line. I would not fight side by side with a pothead, but I would with an alcoholic. Potheads can't be trusted.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Remember when the gov was experimenting with brain washing
Wonder how that worked out?..Bet theirs a few subjects still around

[PrudentLifer]

Remember when the gov was experimenting with brain washing

Wonder how that worked out?..Bet theirs a few subjects still around



Was? As in past tense, lol.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Dionysos]

One thing we all have in common now in regards to this thread. Advertisers along with AI data science is now targeting us as needing grow equipment lol. I have now seen lights, greenhouses and Scott’s miracle grow.

[PrudentLifer]

One thing we all have in common now in regards to this thread. Advertisers along with AI data science is now targeting us as needing grow equipment lol. I have now seen lights, greenhouses and Scott’s miracle grow.



Too bad we don't have basements, lol


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[manaboutown]

Years ago I knew a long time AA member who ran sober living and halfway houses. He could observe a substance abuser's attire, demeanor, state of hygiene, behavior and speech for a few minutes and determine just what the individual was on or had been using. Marijuana, alcohol, painkillers, heroin, meth, cocaine, whatever. I found it remarkable but he proved to be correct every time.

[manaboutown]

Marijuana breathalyzer are on their way! Yay! Access Denied (https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/california-weed/article234714067.html?fbclid=IwAR1KmbkSqVd0RLZDlbJ ThcruMeGI7ebqSBJRnAUH1eSSdEbpnwsx9V68Hog)

Link worked for me. It is for the Sacramento Bee.

[PrudentLifer]

Marijuana breathalyzer are on their way! Yay! Access Denied (https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/california-weed/article234714067.html?fbclid=IwAR1KmbkSqVd0RLZDlbJ ThcruMeGI7ebqSBJRnAUH1eSSdEbpnwsx9V68Hog)

Link worked for me. It is for the Sacramento Bee.



Excellent. Drunks have always been getting the short end of the stick.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Dionysos]

Marijuana breathalyzer are on their way! Yay! Access Denied (https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/california-weed/article234714067.html?fbclid=IwAR1KmbkSqVd0RLZDlbJ ThcruMeGI7ebqSBJRnAUH1eSSdEbpnwsx9V68Hog)

Link worked for me. It is for the Sacramento Bee.

Hopefully they develop a common sense/judgement impermanent test as well. Probably do a lot more good!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

One thing we all have in common now in regards to this thread. Advertisers along with AI data science is now targeting us as needing grow equipment lol. I have now seen lights, greenhouses and Scott’s miracle grow.

Use an adblocker and you won't see any of those ads. There are some for cell phones, as well as laptops, android tablets, desktops.

The only ads I ever see on this website are the ones that companies post in the sponsored ads section of the forum.

[PennBF]

Now the messenger should be shot and because someone was successful in stopping being a druggy all drugs are fine.
Or "it;s just a plant". REALLY. Or challenging usage of a drug in more than one note indicates "posting addition". The logic being used in this rationalization is not worth help. It would be good humor except for the sad harm this kind of sorrowful thinking effects those who need help. :ohdear:

[Dionysos]

This Thread is going nowhere now! Those for vs Those against. If that ain’t political I don’t know what is! Not to mention the OP left the boards. I’ll tell you what though I’m not a active user but I’m willing to to start a Villages MMJ club because the support and interest is honestly shocking in numbers here. I’ll personally pay for all and any fee’s so it’s not miss interpreted. We can exchange info, talk about cooking with cannabis, pro’s and cons about CBD etc etc.... Heck I’ll even ask one of our Village Residents who happens to be a owner of 1 of the limited FL MMTC’s if we can do site visits to his Mt Dora Facility.

Then those in support can get safe, reliable and useful info without having the NIMBY’s harassing them with BS.

Those in opposition can either start your own club (which you won’t) or as usual stand on your soap box belittling everyone you disagree with.

Cheers

[PrudentLifer]

This Thread is going nowhere now! Those for vs Those against. If that ain’t political I don’t know what is! Not to mention the OP left the boards. I’ll tell you what though I’m not a active user but I’m willing to to start a Villages MMJ club because the support and interest is honestly shocking in numbers here. I’ll personally pay for all and any fee’s so it’s not miss interpreted. We can exchange info, talk about cooking with cannabis, pro’s and cons about CBD etc etc.... Heck I’ll even ask one of our Village Residents who happens to be a owner of 1 of the limited FL MMTC’s if we can do site visits to his Mt Dora Facility.

Then those in support can get safe, reliable and useful info without having the NIMBY’s harassing them with BS.

Those in opposition can either start your own club (which you won’t) or as usual stand on your soap box belittling everyone you disagree with.

Cheers



Yikes!


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Velvet]

This Thread is going nowhere now! Those for vs Those against. If that ain’t political I don’t know what is! Not to mention the OP left the boards. I’ll tell you what though I’m not a active user but I’m willing to to start a Villages MMJ club because the support and interest is honestly shocking in numbers here. I’ll personally pay for all and any fee’s so it’s not miss interpreted. We can exchange info, talk about cooking with cannabis, pro’s and cons about CBD etc etc.... Heck I’ll even ask one of our Village Residents who happens to be a owner of 1 of the limited FL MMTC’s if we can do site visits to his Mt Dora Facility.

Then those in support can get safe, reliable and useful info without having the NIMBY’s harassing them with BS.

Those in opposition can either start your own club (which you won’t) or as usual stand on your soap box belittling everyone you disagree with.

Cheers

I’m not quite sure why but this post made me laugh (in a good way). The topic continues to be interesting.

[Dionysos]

Yikes!


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell


Yes Sir!

[billethkid]

This Thread is going nowhere now! Those for vs Those against. If that ain’t political I don’t know what is! Not to mention the OP left the boards. I’ll tell you what though I’m not a active user but I’m willing to to start a Villages MMJ club because the support and interest is honestly shocking in numbers here. I’ll personally pay for all and any fee’s so it’s not miss interpreted. We can exchange info, talk about cooking with cannabis, pro’s and cons about CBD etc etc.... Heck I’ll even ask one of our Village Residents who happens to be a owner of 1 of the limited FL MMTC’s if we can do site visits to his Mt Dora Facility.

Then those in support can get safe, reliable and useful info without having the NIMBY’s harassing them with BS.

Those in opposition can either start your own club (which you won’t) or as usual stand on your soap box belittling everyone you disagree with.

Cheers

Difference of opinion = political?

And....double yikes!

[Moderator]

This thread has long since strayed from the original question/topic of would you use marijuana if it was legal. A number of personally directed posts were removed.

Thread closed.

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