Communist Party USA say they helped elect Obama & want to keep the ball rolling

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Now I'm not sure if this is a real website or something some right wing nut job dreamed up and with the help of godaddy.com got registered as a website to slander Obama.

Seriously though it is important that we all read and understand what is being said by the Communist Party USA about Obama and the unions.

A special report to the 29th National Convention of the Communist
Party by: Joelle Fishman
May 27 2010


"The 2010 elections are at the center of the struggle for working class relief from economic crisis, poverty, inequality and environmental devastation. Why? Because this election will either solidify the progressive breakthrough of 2008, or send the country reeling backward.

" Barack Obama's election as president was a victory won by an amazing broad alliance of which we were a part. Our contribution focused on building unity, challenging racism and expanding voter participation ."

There's more: "Working people are angry and searching for solutions. Voters' anger can be turned into collective action for a pro-worker agenda or it can become manipulated by right-wing populism. So far there are examples of both taking place.

" Our focus is on building up the strength of the labor movement, racially oppressed, women, youth along with LGBT, environment and peace allies as part of the broad electoral alliance

"This goes beyond any one election to the need for organizing a lasting movement and building working class leadership in our country that can reorder priorities and change foreign policy.

"A great example is the IAM's U-Cubed organization of unemployed workers that is pushing for job creation. They got out the vote in Tuesday's Pennsylvania primary which defeated Sen Arlen Specter in favor of Rep. Joe Systak. The IAM said, 'Now it's our turn to turn the screws with our votes. Together we can put America back to work.'

" The election of President Obama opened a door. The challenge to us and the labor and people's organizations is to walk through that door in the millions with mass struggle for jobs and relief.

"The anger of workers was turned into unity against the financial institutions in big mass actions during May Day week. Joint labor - immigrant rights marches and civil disobedience protests against the Arizona law represent the kind of unity that can increase workers' strength in the elections and improve the balance in Congress."

Read the entire address at The Communitst Party USA website:



http://www.cpusa.org/2010-elections-unity-can-win/

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This is not a suprise, is it?

Yoda

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I'm not surprised. Sickened? Yes. I am confused by the blindness of other people who call themselves Americans and claim to love this country and the principles she was built on. To be honest though, my confusion is turning into aggrevation at their seeming unwillingness to read, research and educate themselves. I guess it just goes back to my realization that some people just want to sit back and be spoonfed and not work for anything on their own.

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When I posted during the campaign on here about the rousing, ringing endorsment by the Communist Party I was made fun of !!!

Actually, at one point called a racist which I never understood !

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Some people choose to be ignorant.

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In the Communist comments above there is a quote where an organization is mentioned. "A great example is the IAM's U-Cubed organizationof unemployed workers." This is actual a union for the unemployed.

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I'm not surprised. Sickened? Yes. I am confused by the blindness of other people who call themselves Americans and claim to love this country and the principles she was built on. To be honest though, my confusion is turning into aggrevation at their seeming unwillingness to read, research and educate themselves. I guess it just goes back to my realization that some people just want to sit back and be spoonfed and not work for anything on their own.

Are you really trying to say that if someone voted for Obama they are Un-American? You guys are really going off the reservation now.

Are we in 2000's or back in the 50's with the Communists under every bed.

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Are you really trying to say that if someone voted for Obama they are Un-American? You guys are really going off the reservation now.

Are we in 2000's or back in the 50's with the Communists under every bed.

What are you talking about? Where did I say that?

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What are you talking about? Where did I say that?

From your post.....

Yes. I am confused by the blindness of other people who call themselves Americans and claim to love this country and the principles she was built on

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From your post.....

Yes. I am confused by the blindness of other people who call themselves Americans and claim to love this country and the principles she was built on


cologal, your response is a perfect example of my aggrevation. Here is why: Almost everything that has been written (if done properly) since the beginning of the written language, has a subject.

The subject in the original converstation was the article by the Communist Party USA saying they helped elect Obama, and now that the Communist Party USA sees the door open to push their beliefs in the upcoming November election.

My response was to Yoda asking if that surprised me. The word
that in Yoda's question goes back to the original subject of the Communist Party USA helping elect Obama et al.

But somehow you take one part of what I said and find a question in it without actually addressing the subject.

I don't know if that is on purpose or not.

But it really, really emphasises the confusion and aggrevation part of my actual statement responsing to Yodi asking me if I am surprised by the Communist Party USA stating they helped get Obama elected: I'm not surprised. Sickened? Yes. I am confused by the blindness of other people who call themselves Americans and claim to love this country and the principles she was built on. To be honest though, my confusion is turning into aggrevation at their seeming unwillingness to read, research and educate themselves. I guess it just goes back to my realization that some people just want to sit back and be spoonfed and not work for anything on their own.

It just seems that you didn't read the subject, Communist Party USA statements, but instead you read what I wrote and found a way to pull something out of context and change the subject. Trying to understand why you would do that confuses and aggrevates me.

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The CPUSA has been barking like a chihuahua ever since the collapse of the Iron Curtain. They are just that - a little yipping dog and should be treated as such. Hold them up to the light, let everyone see what they're made of - and we'll have a good laugh at their expense.

For those who will get the reference they are, for all in tents and purposes, the Judean People's Front. Or the People's Front of Judea. Or the Popular Front.

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C-Span held them to the light of television cameras at their 29th National Convention May 29.

Oh yeah, I get the reference to Judean People's Front. You act as if the Communist Party of the USA is "The Funniest Joke in the World." Let's just hope America as we know it doesn't die laughing at the CPUSA.

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/cpusa-29th-national-convention-sam-webbs-opening-remarks-may-19-2010/

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Bk; it's always the same with the Obama Defense Squad. If the subject is troublesome to the "chosen one" then the tactic is to belittle the argument or story and then attack and defame the author or commentator, so that you feel you have to defend yourself and stray from the original point. I know you know this, but I write this for those who forget the tactics of the progressive left.

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cologal, your response is a perfect example of my aggrevation. Here is why: Almost everything that has been written (if done properly) since the beginning of the written language, has a subject.

The subject in the original converstation was the article by the Communist Party USA saying they helped elect Obama, and now that the Communist Party USA sees the door open to push their beliefs in the upcoming November election.

My response was to Yoda asking if that surprised me. The word
that in Yoda's question goes back to the original subject of the Communist Party USA helping elect Obama et al.

But somehow you take one part of what I said and find a question in it without actually addressing the subject.

I don't know if that is on purpose or not.

But it really, really emphasises the confusion and aggrevation part of my actual statement responsing to Yodi asking me if I am surprised by the Communist Party USA stating they helped get Obama elected: I'm not surprised. Sickened? Yes. I am confused by the blindness of other people who call themselves Americans and claim to love this country and the principles she was built on. To be honest though, my confusion is turning into aggrevation at their seeming unwillingness to read, research and educate themselves. I guess it just goes back to my realization that some people just want to sit back and be spoonfed and not work for anything on their own.

It just seems that you didn't read the subject, Communist Party USA statements, but instead you read what I wrote and found a way to pull something out of context and change the subject. Trying to understand why you would do that confuses and aggrevates me.

Trust me I read the subject....but honestly I have a fundamentally different view on things like this. I purely dislike the Westboro Church and what they do at the funerals of fallen soldiers. I hate that what they do is covered under Freedom of Speech, hopefully the Supreme Court will change this in the future. So the Communist Party of the USA still is afforded, in this country, freedom of speech. It is their right to say whatever they want to say. Doesn't make Obama a communist.... And its not something to get my shorts in a twist about. Many others things that are more important.

In another thread you and I discussed a similar issue.... I have 3 nephews currently serving in the military. But I protested the Iraq war you questioned how I could do that? I believe we have a duty to protect our troops and their service and because of that I protest any war that does not fundamentally protect the United States. Doesn't mean I am UnAmerican.

Do you think that we didn't say many of the things you are saying now 8 years ago. I remember saying I want my country back.

If you and I sat down and actually talked about the issues you would be surprised on the number of issues we could find agreement on.

Surely don't mean to aggrevate you.....

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Bk; it's always the same with the Obama Defense Squad. If the subject is troublesome to the "chosen one" then the tactic is to belittle the argument or story and then attack and defame the author or commentator, so that you feel you have to defend yourself and stray from the original point. I know you know this, but I write this for those who forget the tactics of the progressive left.

You know we feel the same way about the Bush Defense Squad. I know you know this, but I write this for those who forget the tactics of the Conservative right.

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To be honest, I don't belittle the commentator (assuming you mean the CPUSA). They belittle themselves. You might have had more of a case to 'be afraid' of them back in the 1970s or even 1980s. Back then, there was still a USSR backing them. Right now they are the moral equivalent of a guy on a soapbox yelling at passers-by at the Town Square. Their message is old, outdated, repudiated even by those who tried to force it on other countries. When your list of True Believer clients is basically down to North Korea and Cub (make no mistake, Vietnam and China are way different) it says something.

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To be honest, I don't belittle the commentator (assuming you mean the CPUSA). They belittle themselves. You might have had more of a case to 'be afraid' of them back in the 1970s or even 1980s. Back then, there was still a USSR backing them. Right now they are the moral equivalent of a guy on a soapbox yelling at passers-by at the Town Square. Their message is old, outdated, repudiated even by those who tried to force it on other countries. When your list of True Believer clients is basically down to North Korea and Cub (make no mistake, Vietnam and China are way different) it says something.

Actually, I don't mean the CPUSA. If I were referring to you I would mean that you belittled the CPUSA in a way that demeaned them as an organization that would even concern a concerned citizen like BK. Your commentary made it seem like BK is making a mountain out of a molehill. Was that your intent?
As far as the efficacy of their organization; I don't know how far their personal influence as a party goes, but the proof is in the pudding. The man they think is going to advance the communist cause is sitting in the Oval Office.
So, if you add things up; the Conservatives and the Communists think the man who is pushing American down the path to Socialism/Communism is in the White House in the Oval Office at this moment.

Velly Interesting ......... no?

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cologal, when I post here in the forum I do it hoping that someone can learn something from the information or teach me something after reading the information, or perhaps both. It isn't you that aggrevates me it is the frustration that comes from not having a back-and-forth conversation about the material posted.

Richie very eloquently summed up what I was trying to say. "The man they think is going to advance the communist cause is sitting in the Oval Office.
So, if you add things up; the Conservatives and the Communists think the man who is pushing American down the path to Socialism/Communism is in the White House in the Oval Office at this moment.

"Velly Interesting ......... no?"

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RichieLion: And David Duke supported George Bush. Does that mean the KKK would have been in charge of the country?

Now more to your point, BK said he didn't know if the website was from a nutjob or what - but then said it is important that we know what the CPUSA was saying about Obama and the Unions.

Let me make it clear, then.

1) I don't think Obama has tangible ties to Communists.

2) Unions worry me more. They have far more socialistic policies (everyone makes the same money, etc)

3) The CPUSA is the shadow of a dead menace.

4) All that being said, the Communists have every right to state their views. I have the right to then ridicule them.

5) Holding nutjobs like the CPUSA up to the light exposes them for what they are.

6) The far greater threat to the United States is an uneducated populace. The threat is that they'll be led like the Pied Piper would do.

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RichieLion: And David Duke supported George Bush. Does that mean the KKK would have been in charge of the country?

Now more to your point, BK said he didn't know if the website was from a nutjob or what - but then said it is important that we know what the CPUSA was saying about Obama and the Unions.

Let me make it clear, then.

1) I don't think Obama has tangible ties to Communists.

2) Unions worry me more. They have far more socialistic policies (everyone makes the same money, etc)

3) The CPUSA is the shadow of a dead menace.

4) All that being said, the Communists have every right to state their views. I have the right to then ridicule them.

5) Holding nutjobs like the CPUSA up to the light exposes them for what they are.

6) The far greater threat to the United States is an uneducated populace. The threat is that they'll be led like the Pied Piper would do.

Obama's ties to Alinsky is enough proof for me of his nature.

Thinking Communism is a dead menace is, I'm sorry, awfully naive.

I didn't say Obama had any links to the CPUSA itself; only that they believe, because they also have connected the dots and supported him, that Obama is the man who will lead them to the "promised land" of Communism.

Also, feel free to ridicule the Communist movement; but dismiss them at yours and this countries peril.

(The David Duke reference is ridiculous)

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The one thing I do not understand about those who find fun with the posts on this man and the exciting support from the Communist Party of America, is the mystery to me of the support this man continues to get.

During the primary, these posters and a few others were staunch supporters of Secy Clinton for the nomination. I do not recall any direct quotes from specific folks, but I know that one of the quotes from Clinton supporters was calling Obama an "empty suit" and there were many others. For the most part when confronted with, and I will be personal here, my research on his background which included all of his training, all of his associates, etc they either were silent or hinted that I was some sort of racist.

This was during the primary...now, once he got the nomination, most of them...began to critique McCain and that was understandable as I was not even that enamored with McCain. BUT, they begain to sing the praises of this man, and I kept on hammering them with facts, and they called me even worse names and laughed at me for the things I said were going to happen. I called this President and this congress...the perfect storm...I told them how schooled he and his supporters were with the Alinsky method. YES, many politicians have used a number of Alinsky points, but NOBODY in history was so schooled and even TAUGHT these principles and was surrounded with disciples of his teachings.

I thought when the Rev Wright and a few other things came out, they would back off...but NO...these Clinton supporters just kept raving about him,

The point is, I was called a person of very little smarts...a person who believed in conspiracies...a "Bushie" which if you knew me is actually funny...and at that time I predicted much of what is happening. His involvement with private companies....his push for the health bill that would not include a control of costs...his unwavering support for labor unions and his promise to help them grow and grow stronger. They just totally ignore as if it never happened, a "stimulus" bill that was mostly pork and has not worked. TARP has helped but that huge stimulus bill was nothing but social programs..or for the most part at least.

All of this is coming true and we have a way to go.....YET they still defend him...they will make light of a post as you folks make concerning the Communist Party delight in having him in the WH. What they believe in, he believes in folks. That simple.

Strong labor unions and growing labor unions
Strong central government and much more control over private enterprise
Strong central government control of health issue and enviromental issues.
A beginning of re distribution of wealth.

The election of 2008 was pure and simple....a con job. The press has put themselves in such a bad situation, they can find very little way out.

This has the potential to end very badly folks !