The Villages ranks #1, again

[PrudentLifer]

According to an equity investor newsletter, 24/7 Wall St., The Villages, Florida ranks #1 nationally in places where having a job does not keep you out of poverty.

1. The Villages, FL
> Poverty rate of full-time workforce: 4.4%
> Official poverty rate: 9.2% (bottom 10%)
> June 2019 unemployment rate: 4.9% (top 20%)
> Avg. workweek: 36.4 hours (bottom 10%)

The Villages is a retirement community that constitutes the bulk of the population of Sumter County. Just 34.5% of the population aged 16 to 64 works in full-time, year-round jobs, the smallest share of any U.S. metro area.

For the minority of workers who work full-time, many work in the low-paying jobs in the retirement industry. Some 25.0% of workers are employed in education and health services, and 9.5% are employed in leisure and hospitality — each among the largest share of any city. The average wage for workers in the education and health services and leisure and hospitality sectors are $835 and $405 a week, respectively, far less than the $1,101 average pay for all workers nationwide.

For the full article:

Cities Where Having a Job Doesn’t Keep You Out of Poverty - 24/7 Wall St. (https://247wallst.com/special-report/2019/10/02/cities-where-having-a-job-doesnt-keep-you-out-of-poverty/5/)


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Altavia]

Interesting, wonder what percentage of the Villages workforce lives in The Villages?

[Velvet]

That actually hurts to read. And these people also had a 25% property tax increase. If they rent, you can be sure it will be reflected in their rent.

[PrudentLifer]

Some feel fortunate to live behind the castle walls, others feel as if it's their right.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Dionysos]

Some feel fortunate to live behind the castle walls, others feel as if it's their right.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Not good times for many! Either at the table or your on the menu.

[manaboutown]

I believe TV has another #1 distinction, as having the oldest median age of any community in the country, even in Florida, at 70.9. That brings in a lot or retirement bucks to be spent. Without The Villages presence I imagine Sumter County would have one of the lowest median incomes for age-under-65 working people in the country, certainly far lower than it is now. http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/the-villages-fl-population/

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

1. The Villages is *not* a "retirement community." It's an active 55+ community.
2. The bar is set at 55 and not 64 for those living in The Villages. MOST people living in the Villages are retired and don't have to work. Most 16-year-olds still live with their families, haven't even entered the work force yet, and therefore shouldn't be counted at all in this. In fact, most 18-year-olds don't have full time work either because they have a) just graduated high school and still have whatever part time jobs they had previously, or b) will be attending college next year and therefore can't be saddled into permanent full-time employment yet. So this:
Just 34.5% of the population aged 16 to 64 works in full-time, year-round jobs, the smallest share of any U.S. metro area.
Doesn't really have any statistical significance. What might be significant, is to compute the percentage of the population aged 21-55 who work in full-time year-round jobs in the county.

[VApeople]

According to an equity investor newsletter, 24/7 Wall St., The Villages, Florida ranks #1 nationally in places where having a job does not keep you out of poverty.


Thanks for letting us know about this. Maybe someone will care.

For anyone who does care, what are you going to do about it?

[Velvet]

Definitely increase my tips, for one.

[PrudentLifer]

Definitely increase my tips, for one.



Me too.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Aloha1]

Seriously? " Wall Street 24/7" is not a credible on line site. It's a cut and paste hack job. Jazuela is correct, there are many statistical errors in this "article". Regardless, we all know that the TV surrounding area was and still is a rural and somewhat poverty stricken area. Things are much better with TV than before because jobs have been created. Contractors last year had to hold a job fare because they could not hire enough construction workers to meet demand. This is all good stuff but if you are out to dine, don't stiff your wait staff if they've done their best. Leave a tip even if if you only get a glass of water. Be and stay nice, It'll brighten your outlook on life.

[vintageogauge]

1. The Villages is *not* a "retirement community." It's an active 55+ community.
2. The bar is set at 55 and not 64 for those living in The Villages. MOST people living in the Villages are retired and don't have to work. Most 16-year-olds still live with their families, haven't even entered the work force yet, and therefore shouldn't be counted at all in this. In fact, most 18-year-olds don't have full time work either because they have a) just graduated high school and still have whatever part time jobs they had previously, or b) will be attending college next year and therefore can't be saddled into permanent full-time employment yet. So this:

Doesn't really have any statistical significance. What might be significant, is to compute the percentage of the population aged 21-55 who work in full-time year-round jobs in the county.

Agree, it's a meaningless statistic.

[dewilson58]

Seriously? " Wall Street 24/7" is not a credible on line site. It's a cut and paste hack job. Jazuela is correct, there are many statistical errors in this "article". Regardless, we all know that the TV surrounding area was and still is a rural and somewhat poverty stricken area. Things are much better with TV than before because jobs have been created. Contractors last year had to hold a job fare because they could not hire enough construction workers to meet demand. This is all good stuff but if you are out to dine, don't stiff your wait staff if they've done their best. Leave a tip even if if you only get a glass of water. Be and stay nice, It'll brighten your outlook on life.




Agree


Just an organizer stirring a pot.


:ohdear:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Definitely increase my tips, for one.

Kind of circular logic, actually.

When you increase your tips, you justify the worker's boss not giving them a raise. "See, you already make more than people working at that other place."

If you don't increase your tips, the employer justifies not giving employee more money because clearly the employee hasn't earned it - or they'd be making more tips.

In short, tips won't help in the long run unless you can guarantee that the employee will always make that higher percentage for every single customer, AND guarantee that they'll have enough customers paying that tip, to provide a net return they can live on, every month.

[Velvet]

My daughter was a part-time waitress while in university, she shared her tips with everyone cook etc and the employer also asked for 10%. After that I took into account all the other people too. Anyone who gives personal service, movers etc gets tips.

[Velvet]

We are in a competitive capitalist economy with some safety nets. I believe in consistent marginal improvements. That way one can account for feedbacks into the system. Raise the wages in increments and see what happens.

[anothersteve]

Raising Minimum Wage Is Not The Answer (https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2014/07/06/raising-minimum-wage-not-the-answer/#3fb98e245b5c)

Minimum Wage - Pros & Cons - ProCon.org (https://minimum-wage.procon.org/)

Lawmakers Are Pushing a $15 Minimum Wage. Here Are 3 Disastrous Consequences That Would Result. | The Heritage Foundation (https://www.heritage.org/jobs-and-labor/commentary/lawmakers-are-pushing-15-minimum-wage-here-are-3-disastrous-consequences)

The real problems with raising the minimum wage—Commentary (https://www.cnbc.com/2014/07/14/the-real-problems-with-raising-the-minimum-wagecommentary.html)

Steve

[PrudentLifer]

We are in a competitive capitalist economy with some safety nets. I believe in consistent marginal improvements. That way one can account for feedbacks into the system. Raise the wages in increments and see what happens.



Increments haven't worked

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191011/eeb718d9af684e5b845a1a6c11d57f58.jpg


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Velvet]

When I look at the graph it doesn’t look like the minimum wage has been raised at all in terms of purchasing power. Maybe that’s why it hasn’t worked? Cost of living needs to be taken into account. But so does will the employer be able to stay in business to keep employing them. And we also have to deal with the cheap competition.

[Velvet]

I think we can nip the hand that feeds us but not bite. Marginal redistribution of income. Think Monaco, why so many of the formula 1 drivers etc have homes there?

[Velvet]

Some people are not worth 5 cents an hour.

Probably Man meant their work. But, either we pay them to work however they do it, or we pay them through healthcare, food stamps etc etc.

[PrudentLifer]

Probably Man meant their work. But, either we pay them to work however they do it, or we pay them through healthcare, food stamps etc etc.



I know what he meant. All labor needs to be compensated for fairly. All workers have worth.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[anothersteve]

. All labor needs to be compensated for fairly.l

Kinda blows the arguement now doesn't it

Steve

[PrudentLifer]

Kinda blows the arguement now doesn't it



Steve



No, not at all.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Velvet]

Hmmm. He did explain that that is not what he meant.

[JimJohnson]

This thread was a waste of my time.

[PrudentLifer]

Why America Needs a $15 Minimum Wage | Economic Policy Institute (https://www.epi.org/publication/why-america-needs-a-15-minimum-wage/)


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[PrudentLifer]

Raising the minimum wage to a living wage will redistribute capital from non- tax paying institutions to tax paying earned income workers.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[anothersteve]

Raising the minimum wage to a living wage will redistribute capital from non- tax paying institutions to tax paying earned income workers.


Guess you didn't see, read,(ignored) my previous.
Steve

Raising Minimum Wage Is Not The Answer (https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2014/07/06/raising-minimum-wage-not-the-answer/#3fb98e245b5c)

Minimum Wage - Pros & Cons - ProCon.org (https://minimum-wage.procon.org/)

Lawmakers Are Pushing a $15 Minimum Wage. Here Are 3 Disastrous Consequences That Would Result. | The Heritage Foundation (https://www.heritage.org/jobs-and-labor/commentary/lawmakers-are-pushing-15-minimum-wage-here-are-3-disastrous-consequences)

The real problems with raising the minimum wage—Commentary (https://www.cnbc.com/2014/07/14/the-real-problems-with-raising-the-minimum-wagecommentary.html)

Steve

[PrudentLifer]

Guess you didn't see, read,(ignored) my previous.

Steve



Of course I read your links Steve. I noted the sources as well.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[PrudentLifer]

:bigbow:




It's union mentality.

One of many, many reasons unions are dying.



This is ok with you??https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191011/b4c73c51d2ec680a484f894f087d5660.jpg


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[dewilson58]

This is ok with you??https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191011/b4c73c51d2ec680a484f894f087d5660.jpg


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell






The reduction in union membership???......ABSOLUTELY!!!!


Union membership is now in the single digits............labor is getting smarter.


:clap2:

[PrudentLifer]

The reduction in union membership???......ABSOLUTELY!!!!


Union membership is now in the single digits............labor is getting smarter.


:clap2:



Ha Ha [emoji23]


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[PrudentLifer]

If you can't spend another mans wealth, why would you prevent him to attain it?


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Chi-Town]

The reduction in union membership???......ABSOLUTELY!!!!


Union membership is now in the single digits............labor is getting smarter.


:clap2:

I think you missed the point of the graph. Or maybe not.

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[Dionysos]

This is ok with you??https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191011/b4c73c51d2ec680a484f894f087d5660.jpg


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

The graph is in sync with the information and technology age. It’s only going to continue. Unions are pretty much dead! You can’t organize, robotics, AI tech and data science. It’s a new world and I don’t see the income split changing anytime soon. Complex problem for the future generations for sure unfortunately.

[Chi-Town]

Florida's minimum wage went up this year from $8.25 to $8.46 an hour. That is pathetic. Leave the bubble and take a look around. It's a disheartening view in so many places.


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[billethkid]

The chart in and of itself is only a slice of the information that describes the real status.

Percentage charts always leave room for questions.

What does the chart represent out of the total population?
What does the chart represent out of the total work force?

Etc.

[dewilson58]

I think you missed the point of the graph. Or maybe not.

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Not at all. "You" can put any two lines together and make a conclusion.


Next to the union line, put changing life expectancy. Conclusion: Less union, longer life.




:MOJE_whot:

[PrudentLifer]

The graph is in sync with the information and technology age. It’s only going to continue. Unions are pretty much dead! You can’t organize, robotics, AI tech and data science. It’s a new world and I don’t see the income split changing anytime soon. Complex problem for the future generations for sure unfortunately.



Hope is on the horizon

Tech Workers Need to Keep Organizing (https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/11/tech-worker-organizing-google-union-walkout)


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Dionysos]

Hope is on the horizon

Tech Workers Need to Keep Organizing (https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/11/tech-worker-organizing-google-union-walkout)


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

They do have an annual organizing event. It’s called BurningMan lol.

[PrudentLifer]

They do have an annual organizing event. It’s called BurningMan lol.



Random


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[biker1]

You are spot on. Correlation does not imply causation.

Not at all. "You" can put any two lines together and make a conclusion.


Next to the union line, put changing life expectancy. Conclusion: Less union, longer life.




:MOJE_whot:

[Velvet]

From my studies of various countries over the years, in general; with zero percentage unionization you get the survival of the fittest society, no regard whatsoever for the vulnerable, the sick, children, women, the elderly. With 100% unionization you approach Communist type economy, everybody is dirt poor. The optimal level seems to be around 30% in most countries where free enterprise is balanced with workers’ protection without stifling motivation and growth.

[Aloha1]

The solution

Fight for $15 (https://fightfor15.org/)



"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Why? So you get to $15. Every thing you buy goes up in price and you end up right where you started. Except, you've managed to put a ton of small businesses out of business because they couldn't afford to pay that wage. Those that could become the only game in town and have pricing power, so prices go up. A simple look at history is all you need.

BTW, love your quote because it sums up certain groups and media who want you to adhere to the party line as Orwell was stating.

[Gpsma]

All people have worth. Every single one.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

You earn your worth...its not an entitlement

[PrudentLifer]

You earn your worth...its not an entitlement



All human labor is entitled to a living wage.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[Fredster]

All human labor is entitled to a living wage.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

Is a living wage the same as a fair wage,
for services rendered?

[PrudentLifer]

Is a living wage the same as a fair wage,

for services rendered?



That depends who's on the receiving end.


"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears..."
George Orwell

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why? So you get to $15. Every thing you buy goes up in price and you end up right where you started. Except, you've managed to put a ton of small businesses out of business because they couldn't afford to pay that wage. Those that could become the only game in town and have pricing power, so prices go up. A simple look at history is all you need.

BTW, love your quote because it sums up certain groups and media who want you to adhere to the party line as Orwell was stating.

Prices go up whether workers are paid more or not. It's called inflation. If workers' wages aren't raised to keep up with inflation, the workers have less buying power, and this negatively affects commerce. So they have to raise prices for the people who DO buy their things, because there are more people who can't afford to buy their things and therefore the company doesn't sell as many as it could have, if the consumers were paid better.

Raising the wages helps restore the balance. It's not a fix. It doesn't do all the restoration by itself. It isn't the answer to the problem. But it is a step toward the problem's resolution.

[billethkid]

When workers are paid more there will always be a price increase in the product or service they provide unless there is an increase in revenues to offset the wages increase.

The endless upward spiral creates diminishing returns....has been doing it for years......when people were paid less things costed less.

[tophcfa]

In my opinion the Villages ranks #1 in what matters most for my wife and I, which is the place with the most fun stuff to do for people 55 and over : ). That's why we became homeowners in Floridas friendliest hometown.