Happy Columbus Day!

[manaboutown]

Columbus Day is celebrated all over the Americas as well as in Italy and Spain. Columbus Day - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day)

[billethkid]

Maybe why it is a day/person of recognition that some special interest group has not objected to it (YET!).

[tophcfa]

Maybe why it is a day/person of recognition that some special interest group has not objected to it (YET!).

I wish you were correct, but it has already been renamed "indigenous persons day" in Amherst, MA. What will they think of next???

[billethkid]

I wish you were correct, but it has already been renamed "indigenous persons day" in Amherst, MA. What will they think of next???

Another example of the silent majority remaining silent, a very definite adversary's/protester/complainer's advantage that remains a constant given!!!

[Velvet]

Happy Columbus Day! He did discover the land mass existed from the Europeans’ point of view. Of course the indigenous people discovered it a long time before. If we knew the date we’d celebrate that too.

[karostay]

Maybe why it is a day/person of recognition that some special interest group has not objected to it (YET!).

Bet the Native Americans wished they had Sea Wall :1rotfl:

[Kenswing]

Maybe why it is a day/person of recognition that some special interest group has not objected to it (YET!).

Read it and weep..

Columbus Day or Indigenous Peoples’ Day? Depends Where You Are (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/columbus-day-or-indigenous-peoples-day-depends-where-you-are/ar-AAIIIx8?ocid=spartanntp)

[tophcfa]

Another example of the silent majority remaining silent, a very definite adversary's/protester/complainer's advantage that remains a constant given!!!

You got that right, happy Columbus Day my friend : )

[Pinball wizard]

You missed it. It was Oct. 12.

:boom::D

[Kahuna32162]

We only "celebrate" it on a Monday so some Federal workers can get the day off.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We only "celebrate" it on a Monday so some Federal workers can get the day off.

It's also a big car sales day, and a big general retail sales day. So it's a day off for federal workers, and a mandatory day at work with no holiday pay for retail workers.

That seems fitting, given the person being celebrated.

Yeah I'm one of those people who never understood why the USA would celebrate a guy who a) never actually set foot or landed in North America, b) bought slaves to do the work of getting to and from the Caribbean and Haiti (where he actually ended up), caused the extinction of the Taino people, bragged that he could easily kill another tribe and enslave survivors to bring back and force religion on them and put them to work for the Crown.

We learned that Columbus discovered America back in 1st grade. That was in the 1960's. Actual facts have been discovered since then, including his own diaries and ship logs, copious notes he took, along with official documents from Spain, that proves otherwise.

There was nothing about Columbus that anyone should be proud of.

[Chi-Town]

The Vikings had a settlement in Newfoundland 500 years before Columbus. They found it to be a hostile environment and headed out for better pillaging. Columbus didn't discover America anyhow as there was already a population living here. But he dId make Europe aware of its existence.



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[Aloha1]

in·dig·e·nous
adjective
originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native.
"the indigenous peoples of Siberia"

By definition, there were never any "indigenous people" in America since humans did not evolve here. All humans originated in Africa so let's just say "first invaders".

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

in·dig·e·nous
adjective
originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native.
"the indigenous peoples of Siberia"

By definition, there were never any "indigenous people" in America since humans did not evolve here. All humans originated in Africa so let's just say "first invaders".

That's all well and good, but it doesn't change the fact that Columbus never came to North America. He never invaded this continent, he never did anything that had anything to do with this continent.

He did show up in South America but most of his travel revolved around the Caribbean and the West Indies, particularly Haiti.

[Velvet]

So Columbus is really just a symbol.

[manaboutown]

The Vikings had a settlement in Newfoundland 500 years before Columbus. They found it to be a hostile environment and headed out for better pillaging. Columbus didn't discover America anyhow as there was already a population living here. But he dId make Europe aware of its existence.



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Norse colonization of North America - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_colonization_of_North_America)

I heard they called it Vinland as they found grapes growing where they settled. Vinland sagas - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland_sagas)

[manaboutown]

That's all well and good, but it doesn't change the fact that Columbus never came to North America. He never invaded this continent, he never did anything that had anything to do with this continent.

He did show up in South America but most of his travel revolved around the Caribbean and the West Indies, particularly Haiti.

He landed in Central America on his fourth voyage, South America on his third. Christopher Columbus - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus)

[CWGUY]

So Columbus is really just a symbol.

And a city (capital city) in the middle of Ohio. :icon_wink:

[tophcfa]

Somehow, when I read this thread this morning, I just knew where it was going to go and had a good idea who would bring it there. I guess some things are as predictable as the day is long.

I hope everyone is having a great Columbus Day������

[Chi-Town]

Somehow, when I read this thread this morning, I just knew where it was going to go and had a good idea who would bring it there. I guess some things are as predictable as the day is long.

I hope everyone is having a great Columbus Day������Well. Maybe not everyone.

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[manaboutown]

^^^^ Nonsense. The aboriginal Stone Age people of the Americas were constantly at war with one another, enslavers, cannibals and torturers. David Scheimann (https://www.ohio.edu/orgs/glass/vol/1/14.htm)

[Chi-Town]

^^^^ Nonsense. The aboriginal Stone Age people of the Americas were constantly at war with one another, enslavers, cannibals and torturers. David Scheimann (https://www.ohio.edu/orgs/glass/vol/1/14.htm)

Who's David Scheimann?

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[TexaninVA]

Actually, when we came to your land there was no written language thus you had a primitive economy ... essentially subsistence. There were constant wars and slavery was quite common etc. The average life span for a native man was about 29 years. You also couldn't defend yourself because you didn't have the technology. Other than that it was a storybook paradise.

[Bay Kid]

Just another government paid holiday.

[Toymeister]

Just another government paid holiday.

Real Federal employee who worked Monday 13 hours and did not get paid for one second of it. Feds do not receive one dime of extra compensation for any training.

As a Fed who accompanies troops in the battlefield I spent Columbus day on the MRAP trainer getting rolled over. My pay was zero extra. For those who are interested every cent earned overseas no matter how long a Federal employee works is subject to tax, unlike contractors or military. The people I work with have a devotion to this country.

You are welcome!

[CWGUY]

Real Federal employee who worked Monday 13 hours and did not get paid for one second of it. Feds do not receive one dime of extra compensation for any training.

As a Fed who accompanies troops in the battlefield I spent Columbus day on the MRAP trainer getting rolled over. My pay was zero extra. For those who are interested every cent earned overseas no matter how long a Federal employee works is subject to tax, unlike contractors or military. The people I work with have a devotion to this country.

You are welcome!

:ho: I thank you and all the people like you for the devotion you have and sacrifices you make for this country. :bigbow:

[Velvet]

And, you still keep giving... for example, great advice and help at this forum. So happy that you have not left!

[Ben Franklin]

After I found out that Marconi, stole 17 of Nikola Tesla's inventions, to create the radio, and then The Supreme Court, in 1943, striped Marconi of his claim of inventing the radio, and awarded it to Tesla, I have been leery to accept most things that we were taught. Although, this was recognized in 1943, they still taught that Marconi invented the radio, which was many years after the SC declaration. I wonder if they still teach it today, that Marconi invented the radio.

So when it comes to Columbus, given the recognition for discovering America, I say, it's probably wrong too, especially after historians have said the real discoverers were most likely from Siberia and Norway. Most of these types of days have turned into big sales days anyway.

[Velvet]

That’s what we were taught in my native country under Communism. I always attribute it to rewriting history.

[Chi-Town]

Actually, when we came to your land there was no written language thus you had a primitive economy ... essentially subsistence. There were constant wars and slavery was quite common etc. The average life span for a native man was about 29 years. You also couldn't defend yourself because you didn't have the technology. Other than that it was a storybook paradise.So we came here and had our own constant wars and slavery. Doesn't say much about humanity in general .

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[Ben Franklin]

Columbus supposedly discovered America in 1642. The supposed history about him was written 336 years later, in 1828. Something to think about.

[Ben Franklin]

The Iroquois had the longest lasting Democracy. Here's their Constitution, created around 1200 AD and passed down by word of mouth, until it was written down.

https://hs.pequannock.org/ourpages/auto/2014/9/14/46105177/Iroquois%20constitution.pdf

[CWGUY]

Columbus supposedly discovered America in 1642. The supposed history about him was written 336 years later, in 1828. Something to think about.

1492 :ho:

[Velvet]

Under Communism it could have been 1642, they were used to rewriting history - all history, with each regime change. My mother as a teacher, had to teach it. So glad I left by grade 2.

[Aloha1]

That's all well and good, but it doesn't change the fact that Columbus never came to North America. He never invaded this continent, he never did anything that had anything to do with this continent.

He did show up in South America but most of his travel revolved around the Caribbean and the West Indies, particularly Haiti.

You totally missed my point. To recap, there is no such thing as a "native" American, since humans are not native to this continent.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You totally missed my point. To recap, there is no such thing as a "native" American, since humans are not native to this continent.

You missed my point: the existence, or lack thereof, of indigenous peoples in the North American continent, is completely and totally irrelevant to the thread since Columbus was never here anyway.

[CWGUY]

You totally missed my point. To recap, there is no such thing as a "native" American, since humans are not native to this continent.

:ohdear: I'm with you on this one. IMHO there is no such thing as a "native" American but I'm not looking to get the last word in. :) I'll bet you a buck..... you are not going to win. Do yourself a favor and stop beating your head against the wall. :ho:

[manaboutown]

You missed my point: the existence, or lack thereof, of indigenous peoples in the North American continent, is completely and totally irrelevant to the thread since Columbus was never here anyway.

He landed in Central America well above and below Panama as well on the South American shore. He discovered The Americas for Western civilization.

[Ben Franklin]

1492 :ho:

You're right. Thanks for the correction. Don't know where my date came from, since I had previously written 1492 in another string. I'll chalk it up to old timer's condition.

[Ben Franklin]

Under Communism it could have been 1642, they were used to rewriting history - all history, with each regime change. My mother as a teacher, had to teach it. So glad I left by grade 2.

You bring up communism and rewriting history. I made a simple mistake. No one is re-writing history, especially when the original account was written over 330 some years after the event. That's called made-up history. It's like the story of George Washington cutting down a cherry tree. That story came after he died. It was a simple STORY about honesty, even though it never happened. A dishonest story about honesty. That takes the cake. We've long given up on honesty. Now, that's, a story to discuss.

Cherry Tree Myth * George Washington's Mount Vernon (https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/cherry-tree-myth/)

[Velvet]

I did not mean to imply that you were rewriting history, I was trying to make a (bad) joke about the fact that under Communism they could pick any date they wanted and anybody they wanted to discover America. They wrote fake history. It is called mind control. And my mother as a teacher had to teach it or be put in jail.

In my opinion, many historical stories are really probably parables, like in the Bible they are meant to teach us. Whether they actually happened or not is of secondary importance. History is such a tricky science. So much depends on whose view point it is written from. Still, dates and names sound like things we should be able to agree on. My background is applied sciences, especially after my Communist history classes.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Leif Erikson discovered NORTH America some time in the 1st century. He set foot on what is now called Newfoundland, and the ruins/remains of the Norse settlement have been preserved and remain today.

Amerigo Vespucci is the man who discovered that the South American continent was, in fact, a continent and not just a branch connected to Asia. He showed up after Columbus, who failed to notice that fact since he was looking for a path to the West Indies, and not for the Americas - which he didn't know existed. That is why the Americas are called the Americas; because it was a man named Amerigo who made that distinction for Europe.

[CWGUY]

You're right. Thanks for the correction. Don't know where my date came from, since I had previously written 1492 in another string. I'll chalk it up to old timer's condition.

:) Been there..... done that!

[Taltarzac725]

Leif Erikson discovered NORTH America some time in the 1st century. He set foot on what is now called Newfoundland, and the ruins/remains of the Norse settlement have been preserved and remain today.

Amerigo Vespucci is the man who discovered that the South American continent was, in fact, a continent and not just a branch connected to Asia. He showed up after Columbus, who failed to notice that fact since he was looking for a path to the West Indies, and not for the Americas - which he didn't know existed. That is why the Americas are called the Americas; because it was a man named Amerigo who made that distinction for Europe.

Think you mean around 1000? The Viking Explorer Who Beat Columbus to America - HISTORY (https://www.history.com/news/the-viking-explorer-who-beat-columbus-to-america)

[TexaninVA]

The original native peoples, who discovered and then settled North America, were actually a Stone Age European tribe (blond haired & blue eyed) known as the Solutreans who came from France and Spain. This happened about 20,000 years ago. The phrase “Iberia, not Siberia” pertains.

Interestingly enough, because the Ice Age was then in full force, they were able to make it across the Atlantic in small boats. (The Earth has been warming ever since and it happened long before fossil fuels came upon the scene, but I digress.)

When Asiatic people came across the Bering Straight a long time thereafter, they populated the continent. They were apparently better fighters, with better weapons and they eventually subjugated the descendants of the Solutreans, intermarried and so forth.
Thus, when Columbus arrived, he (unknowingly) reclaimed North America for the descendants of the Solutreans who had been in Spain for many millennia.