Do you believe the news?

[Bay Kid]

I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?

[rustyp]

An easy solution - don't watch the news.

[anothersteve]

I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?

Nope.
Steve

[Madelaine Amee]

I am limiting myself. Can no longer watch a news program just before bed.

[Blessed2BNTV]

I now watch less and less “news”. It’s ugly and nasty from all sides.

[eweissenbach]

I think that most real journalists report the news accurately. The reason many people distrust the truth in the news is because of the distortions and outright untruths that some people spread to further their own agenda and sow seeds of doubt about the truth.

[l2ridehd]

I gave up a couple years ago. So much opinion vs news. Newspapers, TV, even the internet. Most things I see or read turn out to be wrong. What ever happened to reporting facts? Our forth estate has become a bunch of liars. They will take information out of contexts just to make a story and report it as fact. So sad.

I remember 60 minutes maybe 20 years ago did a story on the nuclear power industry and focused on IL power. The company did a rebuttal and showed the statements the company official made and what 60 minutes published. They would take a statement made and actually delete words from it and make a new sentence. Changing the intent 180 degrees just to make their story. I just don't get how trained reporters can do such blatant lying? They did the exact same thing to Caterpillar tractor. I thought it was just 60 minutes so stopped watching them.

But slowly learned it was all news reporting. They will show you one picture of storm damage and make you believe that it is representative of an entire area. So they have moved the lies into all areas of reporting.

[billethkid]

They all have an owners, political, agenda, special interest or focus of their own.
News is reported, or not, accordingly.
I prefer various on line news sources, foreign and domestic where I can pick, choose, sort what I want to read or not.
Hence it is what I want not what the networks and lettered news is promoting.

[manaboutown]

Weather Channel Reporter FAKES HIGH WINDS While Two People Walk By FINE - YouTube (https://youtu.be/tocuyJ1Fu7U)

Not even the weather news!

[billethkid]

Weather Channel Reporter FAKES HIGH WINDS While Two People Walk By FINE - YouTube (https://youtu.be/tocuyJ1Fu7U)

Not even the weather news!

Perfect example of the current credibility (lack thereof!!) of reporting.

[jebartle]

I gave up a couple years ago. So much opinion vs news. Newspapers, TV, even the internet. Most things I see or read turn out to be wrong. What ever happened to reporting facts? Our forth estate has become a bunch of liars. They will take information out of contexts just to make a story and report it as fact. So sad.

I remember 60 minutes maybe 20 years ago did a story on the nuclear power industry and focused on IL power. The company did a rebuttal and showed the statements the company official made and what 60 minutes published. They would take a statement made and actually delete words from it and make a new sentence. Changing the intent 180 degrees just to make their story. I just don't get how trained reporters can do such blatant lying? They did the exact same thing to Caterpillar tractor. I thought it was just 60 minutes so stopped watching them.

But slowly learned it was all news reporting. They will show you one picture of storm damage and make you believe that it is representative of an entire area. So they have moved the lies into all areas of reporting.


There is a difference between news and opinion, and sometimes the distinction is small. All news media is guilty of this, herein lies the problem.
My problem is when we find more credibility in listening to your neighbor and pass on those lies to others, or listen to OTHERS on tv that keep those lies going.

[cypress]

I just watch the local news now. I gave up on the national news shows.

[karostay]

I now watch less and less “news”. It’s ugly and nasty from all sides.

There's a state on the East Coast where it's rulers have lost all reality
and dignity and have embarrassed this Country for personal gains
and enrichment

[Kerry Azz]

As the saying goes, No news is good news! Although with all the issues going on it’s probably a good idea to pay attention to what’s going on.

[Nucky]

I'm not going to stop totally I'm going to manage the amount of time I spend on the News. I let it get out of hand. Shame on me. It's not just you Baykid.

Everything is a Bombshell Report. Phooey

[sajoe]

I believe the basic issue with "news" is commercialism. Advertisers are not interested in people who question what they are told and by whom. A story of alien babies or kittens draws people the advertisers want and will pay to advertise to. Is the public school system educating our children to a higher level than when we were growing up? Does that also apply to voters? We get what we ask for.

[retiredguy123]

I don't like it when the news people allow themselves to be used as pawns for the Government. They are always stating things as "fact" when you know that they are just repeating what a Government official told them. For example, how can they verify what happens in a war zone where they don't have any reporters, and how do they know how many troops are in a particular area? Another example is when they reported several years ago that the President had to "cut his vacation in Hawaii short" to return to Washington. They all reported that as an absolute fact, when they had no way to know when the president had actually intended to return to Washington. If they don't know that something is a fact, they should not state it as a fact.

[tophcfa]

I try to watch some news from each side of the obviously bias news outlets and then draw my own conclusions about what is really true. Usually over time it comes out that the real truth lies somewhere in the middle.

[Chi-Town]

Nothing new in the news.

Henry David Thoreau’s views of 19th-century media resonate today (https://theconversation.com/henry-david-thoreaus-views-of-19th-century-media-resonate-today-81926)


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[l2ridehd]

We all seem to believe that the news is a bunch of bad information. How do we change it? They have to be losing audience viewing. TV, newspapers, and even magazines are losing readership and audience share. They all want to blame the internet. But that is not the reason. The real reason is they report garbage. Why don't at least one form of media realize the real issue and change?

[PennBF]

Unfortunately the current people who pretend they are providing news when in fact it is just opinions have disgraced all of the great "Newsmen" who have gone before them and were true news people! To go a step further, since these people were raised with no or limited ethics and standards we are left with the bottom of the barrel trying to convince us and influence us based on the money supporting their weak minded fact starved opinions! A famous person once said the United Statess would never be defeated from outside but could be from within. This is now an actual possibility. Lets pray we continue to have faith in God.:ho:

[Madelaine Amee]

I prefer various on line news sources, foreign and domestic where I can pick, choose, sort what I want to read or not.
Hence it is what I want not what the networks and lettered news is promoting.

I was not going to admit that I get my American news from foreign sources, but I do. I listen to BBC where the news is read in a very dispassionate manner by a robotic type female. She reads whatever is before her with no emotion whatsoever - just the news!!! Then I also watch news on PBS which is presented in a very similar manner. I do watch Fareed on a Sunday.

Right now, at this moment in time, I think it extremely important that we know what is happening to our beautiful country.

[Taltarzac725]

Try a wide range of different news programs. Or just Google various issues you are interested in at the time. I still like CBS, ABC, and NBC for the Evening news. There is not that much opinion thrown into these. The cable stations have a lot of talking heads giving their opinions on subjects.

It does all come down to money though and advertising on these stations.

[njbchbum]

I think that most real journalists report the news accurately. The reason many people distrust the truth in the news is because of the distortions and outright untruths that some people spread to further their own agenda and sow seeds of doubt about the truth.

I think the problem today is finding any "real journalist"! Are there any left and how does one find them?

[New Englander]

I just watch the local news now. I gave up on the national news shows.

Same here.

[Velvet]

My impression is news is not to inform you but to influence you. In some places, outright brainwash you. Watch or read with discretion! my father said to me. (That is one reason why I read several newspapers from different countries in several languages. The other is, I’m just addicted.)

About the weather channel, my family was at Cape Hatteras when they predicted a strong hurricane. When the winds didn’t live up to their expectations, they had fans on the reporter, but the sea oats in the background showed the true story. They just didn’t want to disappoint their viewers, I guess.

[JoMar]

It's all politics, money and trying to fill 24 hours with something. Employees will do what the employers ask them to do and when a station takes a political side the reporters will follow. The alternative is to leave the station and find another job. The "old" days had limited time so they reported the facts without in depth analysis. Now they hire analysts from political parties that bring their bias or agenda. Walter Cronkite was a Democrat but nobody knew that when he was reporting. All MHO.

[Kenswing]

When 6 corporations own 90% of the media they can easily force feed a narrative..

[retiredguy123]

I think the problem today is finding any "real journalist"! Are there any left and how does one find them?
Don Lemon is a journalist and a news anchor. I just Googled it.

[bagboy]

Don Lemon is a journalist and a news anchor. I just Googled it.

:1rotfl: :1rotfl:: :1rotfl:

[Bjeanj]

I miss Walter Cronkite.

I read NPR.com.

[Fredster]

Real unbiased news is hard to find, but opinions disguised as news seem to be plentiful.

[Bucco]

When 6 corporations own 90% of the media they can easily force feed a narrative..

While your numbers are outdated (I think your data is from 2012 or earlier), your point is not. It is basically true, no matter the exact numbers,and inevitable in the age of consolidation.

My primary source of news is the NY TIMES....solely owned by the same company (family) since before 1900. It is public traded but if you read up on its journalistic standards and operations, it is truly a great newspaper.

Washington Post, which is another of my favorites is now owned by Jeff Bezoz (NOT owned by Amazon as many think)

Those are my two favorites simply because of their journalistic principals and ideals.

I hardily endorse relying on multiple sources for your NEWS but understanding that many of the so called news sources are full of editorial commentary only, and disguised as news.

It is actually very easy to determine who is reporting news and who is "carrying water" for a particular viewpoint.

MY opinion is that folks search for a "news source" that makes them feel good, not informed or accurate, but feel good and stick with that source no matter what.

I suggest everyone read up on the problems inherent with using any social media, like Facebook, as a news source. You welcome into your mind who knows what.

[mrbgull]

Where is Walter??

[jebartle]

Kind of hard to argue when it's a VIDEO AND AUDIO!

[ColdNoMore]

I think that most real journalists report the news accurately.
I totally agree.


The reason many people distrust the truth in the news is because of the distortions and outright untruths that some people spread to further their own agenda and sow seeds of doubt about the truth.

I agree again.

I believe a big problem is with how many people cannot distinguish between those who report the news (real journalists) and those who may have a show on a supposed news channel...but is purely a show to push their opinion/bias.

If only more folks would even try and understand the difference, then do their own research with legitimate sources...to try and truly understand the issue(s).

But hey, that takes a modicum of work/effort for so many, so why do it when it's so much easier to just have someone else... tell you what to think?

And gosh forbid, how mortifying would it be to find out...that the facts might not support your view'?

Can't be having any of that. :ohdear:

[eweissenbach]

Don Lemon is a journalist and a news anchor. I just Googled it.

How about Hannity, VanSusteren, and Carlson

[ColdNoMore]

Kind of hard to argue when it's a VIDEO AND AUDIO!

I know...right? :oops:

And yet, there are a lot of people saying..."don't really believe what you just actually saw & heard." :22yikes:

Unbelievable. :ohdear:

[Bucco]

I totally agree.




I agree again.

I believe a big problem is with how many people cannot distinguish between those who report the news (real journalists) and those who may have a show on a supposed news channel...but is purely a show to push their opinion/bias.

If only more folks would even try and understand the difference, then do their own research with legitimate sources...to try and truly understand the issue(s).

But hey, that takes a modicum of work/effort for so many, so why do it when it's so much easier to just have someone else... tell you what to think?

And gosh forbid, how mortifying would it be to find out...that the facts might not support your view'?

Can't be having any of that. :ohdear:

The key is ...

"If only more folks would even try and understand the difference, then do their own research with legitimate sources...to try and truly understand the issue(s)."

So much in your sentence.....

First, TRYING to understand will lead you to the truth in most cases. Doing research means you actually care about the issue, and FINALLY.......the word ISSUE. We seem to have lost sight of identifying issues, and address only people. Make sure you understand what the issue is a and don't allow your self to be inundated with "side" stories.

[retiredguy123]

How about Hannity, VanSusteren, and Carlson
I Googled them also. They are all described as "commentators", not journalists.

[manaboutown]

I miss Walter Cronkite.

I read NPR.com.

Although I used to watch him his bias was apparent.

[Ronnie61]

All media is biased. It is so obvious. There’s always been bias but now it seems to have turned to agenda pushing in the guise of news. Sometimes i think 5 every day Americans would make better experts on these channels and shows. These people focus on the stupidest things and they think they are intellectuals. They’ ve been living in new york or Washington so long, it’s group think and the group you follow depends on your party. We need more channels outside of New York and DC.

And the great ny times and washington post are biased. I prefer the wall st journal... also has some implicit bias but a bit less.

[manaboutown]

Don Lemon is a journalist and a news anchor. I just Googled it.

:yuck::yuck::yuck:barfbarfbarf

[Velvet]

Second the Wall St Journal but only for its economic analysis. I think it’s political views are a bit biased. Sort of like Le Figaro, if you read French. 30,000 expats in France can vote in the presidential election.

[ColdNoMore]

I read NPR.com.

NPR is an excellent source.

I have a neighbor, who talks like she is an expert on everything but, is actually oblivious/allergic to facts and the truth even when shown to her, asked when I once mentioned them..."what is a NPR?" :oops:

[Ronnie61]

NPR is an excellent source.

I have a neighbor, who talks like she is an expert on everything but, is actually oblivious/allergic to facts and the truth even when shown to her, asked when I once mentioned them..."what is a NPR?" :oops:


I like NPR because i learn a lot but it has some bias to the left. I used to like the McNeill Lehrer News Hour on PBS. Still watch some PBS news.

[Bucco]

All media is biased. It is so obvious. There’s always been bias but now it seems to have turned to agenda pushing in the guise of news. Sometimes i think 5 every day Americans would make better experts on these channels and shows. These people focus on the stupidest things and they think they are intellectuals. They’ ve been living in new york or Washington so long, it’s group think and the group you follow depends on your party. We need more channels outside of New York and DC.

And the great ny times and washington post are biased. I prefer the wall st journal... also has some implicit bias but a bit less.

Interesting....actually, I find the Times and Post, which I have been reading daily for many years, to be a bit "boring" due to its total objectivity....not exciting reading but exact in its detail and facts.

But, my reading does not stop there because people are human being and personal likes and dislikes can leak through, however,

To me, overt bias is obvious because if the media is reporting a story, enmasse, then there is a story and I trust the Times and Post to sort out the details.

Just an opinion ,and in this case shown to be accurate over and over.

Years ago, in working within this world, I became aware of the stringent policies that exist with editors to even get a new story printed.

Again, I speak of NEWS, not as was discussed on earlier posts, opinion folks talking loud and playing with truth and facts. I think they are an insult to all of us.

[Velvet]

BBC used to set the standard but not any more. I’ll have to listen to NPR. I think NYT has a strong bias. But it keeps pushing me to think about things from other view points.

[Bucco]

I like NPR because i learn a lot but it has some bias to the left. I used to like the McNeill Lehrer News Hour on PBS. Still watch some PBS news.

When you say "bias", I am curios exactly what you mean.

Do they report facts ? Do they omit facts ? How do you find bias, because again, I think news folks...NEWS FOLKS, in the whole do a great job. The television folks are beginning to confuse everyone as to what is news and what is opinion and maybe we re taking that to the print media as well.

[Northwoods]

I don't think there are any truly objective news outlets in the US.
I Googled the NY Times in terms of political bias. THere were a number of instances that stated the NY Times had a left-leaning/liberal bias. I couldn't find one instance where they thought the NY Times had a conservative bias. I belive people think a news source is objective because it has the same political leanings as the reader.
I wish every news outlet would report a political story that would give 2 min. to Democrats to tell their version and then let Republicans have 2 min. to tell their version. At least it would give you both sides. There is also bias in what news outlets chose to report. They are prioritizing what they think is news.
So it's not just a bias in how they report a story, it is also bias in what they chose to focus on, and what they chose to ignore.

[anothersteve]

Understanding bias - American Press Institute (https://www.americanpressinstitute.org/journalism-essentials/bias-objectivity/understanding-bias/)

Steve

[kcrazorbackfan]

I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?

I don't watch it anymore; got too ****ed off watching cop killers not getting the death penalty and cops getting vilified for doing their job.

[TexaninVA]

I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?

Not just you. The mainstream media makes its biases known. It's not even subtle anymore.

They've totally lost their credibility .... and they lost millions of viewers. Luckily, we now have many other means of finding out what's really going on.

[rccooper22]

Don Lemon is a journalist and a news anchor. I just Googled it.Thanks, i needed a good laugh as this thread was starting to get serious.

[GwenR]

They show you what they want you to see. That's the life. Media doesn't say truth all the time, some facts are distorted and it's normal. If you want to get news from reliable resources, just find them in the internet, that's advantage of 21st century! :D

[Two Bills]

Most peoples favorite news source, is the one that agrees with their own bias.

Some have mentioned the BBC as a news source.
Stll good coverage of events, but way (extremely) to the left these days with the reports.

[Viperguy]

Too many get "news" from social sites like Facebook, a huge source of fabricated stuff.

[Love2Swim]

Most peoples favorite news source, is the one that agrees with their own bias.

Some have mentioned the BBC as a news source.
Stll good coverage of events, but way (extremely) to the left these days with the reports.

The bias rating sites I have looked at place BBC in the middle or having slight liberal bias and say it is minimal partisan bias. But if talking about fringe news, FOX is labeled being rated as hyper-partisan conservative. Of course, if a person doesn't like what the fact check sites say, that person would be inclined to say every one of the fact check sites is biased as well.

[MorTech]

The criminal political parasites thru their Mockingbird Media have been manipulating you your entire lives. You are only now starting to figure it out.

Google "Operation Mockingbird"...The CIA/Council on Foreign Relations own your mind and body.

[Bucco]

Not just you. The mainstream media makes its biases known. It's not even subtle anymore.

They've totally lost their credibility .... and they lost millions of viewers. Luckily, we now have many other means of finding out what's really going on.

Not challenging you, but would love to see n example of what you speak.

Keep hearing it, but very few if any credible examples.

Thanks, and again we are speaking of NEWS, not opinion pieces. I am assuming you are saying media sources distort facts or actual news, and perhaps I am naive, but do not see it in reupuable sources.

[anothersteve]

Not challenging you, but would love to see n example of what you speak.

Keep hearing it, but very few if any credible examples.
I am assuming you are saying media sources distort facts or actual news, and perhaps I am naive, but do not see it in reupuable sources.

One week after ABC's Syria video screw-up, the network still hasn't explained how it happened - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/21/media/abc-news-syria-kentucky/index.html)

This was just one recent example, The "reputable" news puts out a story and video that's not vetted in any way, they get called on it, apologize and it's over. Meanwhile it's already put into the public's heads as truth to those that don't see or hear their "apology" later on. It happens more than we can see I'm sure.

"Reliable" sources...."whistle blowers"....my "sources" tell me etc....
Steve

[Bucco]

One week after ABC's Syria video screw-up, the network still hasn't explained how it happened - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/21/media/abc-news-syria-kentucky/index.html)

This was just one recent example, The "reputable" news puts out a story and video that's not vetted in any way, they get called on it, apologize and it's over. Meanwhile it's already put into the public's heads as truth to those that don't see or hear their "apology" later on. It happens more than we can see I'm sure.

"Reliable" sources...."whistle blowers"....my "sources" tell me etc....
Steve

Interesting, accurate and a good point of contention.

BUT then again, that video was NOT the story, was it ? The story remains accuretly reported. We seem to dwell on this stuff and look right past the real news

[anothersteve]

Interesting, accurate and a good point of contention.

BUT then again, that video was NOT the story, was it ? The story remains accuretly reported. We seem to dwell on this stuff and look right past the real news

The point is they were making it, the video, a part of the "story", or news if you will, reporting as fact the video was actually happening at the border. Do you really think if ABC wasn't called out on it they would've come clean? That is my point....how often does it happen with all media/news sources? More often than one might think is my guess.
Steve

[Two Bills]

"Operation Mockingbird"
$$$Millions wasted, when a leak from the right place, to the right journalist, at the right time, would have sufficed?
Thats all it takes to disinform, and the more the story is denied, the more it is believed.
The Russians are absolute masters of this.
Watch the Russian News channel 'RT.'
So clever comrades!

[Bucco]

The point is they were making it, the video, a part of the "story", or news if you will, reporting as fact the video was actually happening at the border. Do you really think if ABC wasn't called out on it they would've come clean? That is my point....how often does it happen with all media/news sources? More often than one might think is my guess.
Steve

Well, we will have to agree to disagree.

The story, the news was about and in reference to the Kurds being attacked by Turkey as I recall. Since I do not rely on footage, but instead the reading of the facts, for me, the story was 100% accurate and reported well by the NY Time and all other media.

Someone made an error in that video, obviously but it did not detract from the story itself which was true and factual and that, I think, was the point of the thread.

Not defending anyone here.....I understand from reading that at least one head as rolled and more to come. An admission of the mistake and apology made (more than many ever do)...but again, it did not detract from the story.

Television can be very misleading as I said.

[Taltarzac725]

Well, we will have to agree to disagree.

The story, the news was about and in reference to the Kurds being attacked by Turkey as I recall. Since I do not rely on footage, but instead the reading of the facts, for me, the story was 100% accurate and reported well by the NY Time and all other media.

Someone made an error in that video, obviously but it did not detract from the story itself which was true and factual and that, I think, was the point of the thread.

Not defending anyone here.....I understand from reading that at least one head as rolled and more to come. An admission of the mistake and apology made (more than many ever do)...but again, it did not detract from the story.

Television can be very misleading as I said.

It did not seem to be an intentional misdirection like with many other stories from these "factual" news sources.

[manaboutown]

I enjoy the unmentionable online news and believe most of what that outfit publishes, especially the crime news and obituaries.

[justjim]

I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?

A free press is absolutely necessary for the democracy to survive in what we know as the United States of America. Our forefathers knew that and thus put it in the First Amendment. From time to time it comes under attack and perhaps no more often than in recent times. It’s still news and not “fake news” just because you don’t agree. If you want “fake news” go to some of the many social media sites. We should all learn to agree to disagree. As some have noted, if you really want to follow the news, you should get the news from more than one source. As others have noted there is a difference between opinion or “spin” on an issue and the quote “news”. Finally, as some have noted in this Thread, the major news media get the “news” right almost all the time with a rare mistake along the way. Regardless, of your preference to certain news media, a free press is necessary to sustain our democracy as we know it.

[manaboutown]

But the current "mainstream" press is anything but a free press. It is the propaganda arm of one party, like Izvestia and Pravda were for the communist party in the USSR.

[Madelaine Amee]

Most peoples favorite news source, is the one that agrees with their own bias.

Some have mentioned the BBC as a news source.
Stll good coverage of events, but way (extremely) to the left these days with the reports.

They may bend LEFT for British news, but not so much for our news. I sometimes watch the newscasters from Singapore at the early evening hour and they are very good. well at least I think so :).

[collie1228]

There was a time not that long ago that you could watch just about any news network and trust them to tell the truth and fact check what they reported. You never knew the political affiliation, if any, of the "anchors". Did Walter Cronkite ever give less than you expected from him? Not in my opinion. Print and TV news editors were proud of the fact that they were tough on their own reporters and would not let their reporters write the kinds of news articles that routinely get reported today based on "anonymous sources", or "sources near the president", etc. Journalism is mostly dead today. I try to watch TV "news programs" with a slant that I dislike, just to see what the other side is saying, but I don't last very long. Their blatant bias is too much for me. And it's not much better on the side that I prefer to watch either.

[jebartle]

I don't think there are any truly objective news outlets in the US.
I Googled the NY Times in terms of political bias. THere were a number of instances that stated the NY Times had a left-leaning/liberal bias. I couldn't find one instance where they thought the NY Times had a conservative bias. I belive people think a news source is objective because it has the same political leanings as the reader.
I wish every news outlet would report a political story that would give 2 min. to Democrats to tell their version and then let Republicans have 2 min. to tell their version. At least it would give you both sides. There is also bias in what news outlets chose to report. They are prioritizing what they think is news.
So it's not just a bias in how they report a story, it is also bias in what they chose to focus on, and what they chose to ignore.

Is it a left leaning bias or FACTS, hmmm! we must ask "the wizzard"

[Ben Franklin]

Unless one fact checks the news, it's hard to say if it's believable. Does one reject the news, if it goes against their pre-conceived beliefs? We all know of the right and left, cable, pundit "news" which is more opinion, from none experts, then it is real news. If I hear or read a news story, and I'm interested in it, I will then do my own research, which 98% of the time panned out to be true.

[Madelaine Amee]

Unless one fact checks the news, it's hard to say if it's believable. Does one reject the news, if it goes against their pre-conceived beliefs? We all know of the right and left, cable, pundit "news" which is more opinion, from none experts, then it is real news. If I hear or read a news story, and I'm interested in it, I will then do my own research, which 98% of the time panned out to be true.

Excellent post Mr. Franklin! Almost all, no probably closer to MOST, news stories have a basis in fact, but they are skewed by which political party is providing an analysis.

FACT CHECK EVERYTHING.

[Mickedamouse24]

Opinion Hosts!!!

[BK001]

And to make matters even more difficult to separate real from fake news, the search engines can and do manipulate results according to our personal biases. Look for articles on "search engine manipulation effect". It will blow your mind. We all think in terms of "google" but there are other search engines to check and compare results whether on a news story or political candidate, etc. It's disturbing that you and I may search on the same term and come up with different results -- results that have been chosen for each of us based upon the search engine's algorhithms. Google may be your friend -- but it may just be the friend who is not honest when you ask does this dress make me look fat! Difficult and challenging times we live in.

Here are what some consider the most popular search engines in the world:

Google
Bing
Yahoo
Ask.com
AOL.com
Baidu
Wolframalpha
DuckDuckGo
Internet Archive
Yandex.ru

And there are many more. DuckDuckGo.com claims it is "The search engine that doesn't track you".

[mrbgull]

Where is Walter ?

[eweissenbach]

I find it absolutely ridiculous that many people claim MSNBC is biased, but accept as fact everything on Fox News. On the other hand alleging Fox News is biased but everything on MSNBC is gospel is equally ludicrous. Those outlets have a blatant bias for the most part, should never be accepted as the home of virtue. I read the Kansas City Star and the Washington Post online. I also read some articles posted on MSN. There are so many online "news" outlets that cannot be trusted. I think the ONION is more reliable than many of them. The president admitted in an interview a couple years ago that he railed against the mainstream media so that wen they said bad things about him his supporters would not believe it. Dangerous stuff my friends!

[ColdNoMore]

What I find absolutely stunning and staggering, are those that complain about a "leaning," while having no problem with outright and proven...blatant lying & hypocrisy. :oops:

Someone please help me try to understand...why is that?

Personally, and recognizing that honesty/ethics/integrity are out of fashion in some circles, I'll take a 'leaning' (in any direction)...over vicious, outrageous and purposely lying. :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

I find it absolutely ridiculous that many people claim MSNBC is biased, but accept as fact everything on Fox News. On the other hand alleging Fox News is biased but everything on MSNBC is gospel is equally ludicrous. Those outlets have a blatant bias for the most part, should never be accepted as the home of virtue. I read the Kansas City Star and the Washington Post online. I also read some articles posted on MSN. There are so many online "news" outlets that cannot be trusted. I think the ONION is more reliable than many of them. The president admitted in an interview a couple years ago that he railed against the mainstream media so that wen they said bad things about him his supporters would not believe it.

Dangerous stuff my friends!

Without a doubt. :ohdear:

[anothersteve]

What I find absolutely stunning and staggering, are those that complain about a "leaning," while having no problem with outright and proven...blatant lying & hypocrisy. :oops:

Someone please help me try to understand...why is that?

Personally, and recognizing that honesty/ethics/integrity are out of fashion in some circles, I'll take a 'leaning' (in any direction)...over vicious, outrageous and purposely lying. :ohdear:

We are still talking about trust in the news correct? Up until now it has been a fairly civil discussion without any condescending attitudes towards differing opinions on one's preferred "news" sources.
Steve

[redwitch]

I gave up on news in the 80s. My disillusionment occurred when Janet Cooke (Cook?) reported the story of the child heroin addict in the Post and repeated in the NYT. When it was shown to be fabricated and the Pulitzer had to be returned, I understood that news had to be taken with a grain of salt and fact checked as much as possible. Have felt that way ever since.

I don’t want a reporter’s opinions. I want the facts. I can make my own determinations from that. Today, I try to hear at least two sources of opposing sides before coming to any conclusions. Online, it is pretty much AP News for me. At least they tell me at the end of the article if a commentary or a news story. And I miss Al Jazeera.

As one of my favorite news reporters once said, “Journalists were never intended to be the cheerleaders of society, the conductors of applause, the sycophants. Tragically, that is their assigned role in authoritarian societies but not here — not yet.” Sadly, we have finally reached the not yet stage.

[Bay Kid]

Excellent post Mr. Franklin! Almost all, no probably closer to MOST, news stories have a basis in fact, but they are skewed by which political party is providing an analysis.

FACT CHECK EVERYTHING.

But who is in charge of Fact Check? Is that really true? I guess it is about the loss of trust.

[billethkid]

They are all guilty of questionable reporting/reading.
They have a tendency to look at an issue through a straw and then report as a general condition.

A riot on a street corner is focused on very tightly presenting only the mayhem within the scope of the straw.....as folks nearby go about their normal business.

If they were looking at the side of an elephant (as through the straw) the report would most likely focus on why the world is all of a sudden gray!!

[Velvet]

I’ve started to listen to the news channels mostly as comedy for our entertainment.

[billethkid]

PS....let us not forget what they do not report, for various reasons, as a factor in measuring the accuracy!!

[karostay]

Daily Sun perfect example :shrug:

[Bucco]

PS....let us not forget what they do not report, for various reasons, as a factor in measuring the accuracy!!

Absolutely and without a doubt !!!!!! Maybe one of the most important things to consider when choosing a news source.

[JackRussell]

I hear it's fake.

[TexaninVA]

I gave up on news in the 80s. My disillusionment occurred when Janet Cooke (Cook?) reported the story of the child heroin addict in the Post and repeated in the NYT. When it was shown to be fabricated and the Pulitzer had to be returned, I understood that news had to be taken with a grain of salt and fact checked as much as possible. Have felt that way ever since.

I don’t want a reporter’s opinions. I want the facts. I can make my own determinations from that. Today, I try to hear at least two sources of opposing sides before coming to any conclusions. Online, it is pretty much AP News for me. At least they tell me at the end of the article if a commentary or a news story. And I miss Al Jazeera.

As one of my favorite news reporters once said, “Journalists were never intended to be the cheerleaders of society, the conductors of applause, the sycophants. Tragically, that is their assigned role in authoritarian societies but not here — not yet.” Sadly, we have finally reached the not yet stage.

Al Jazeera is funded by Qatar which is hardcore Islamist ...ie Muslim Brotherhood.

[redwitch]

Al Jazeera is funded by Qatar which is hardcore Islamist ...ie Muslim Brotherhood.

I’m well aware of that but they did an excellent job of OBJECTIVELY reporting the news. Only rarely was any bias shown and most of that was anti UAE.

[Madelaine Amee]

Al Jazeera is funded by Qatar which is hardcore Islamist ...ie Muslim Brotherhood.

Al Jazeera was - is - an excellent news source. Research something and get your facts straight before making statements like that.

Al Jazeera - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera)

[Madelaine Amee]

I’m well aware of that but they did an excellent job of OBJECTIVELY reporting the news. Only rarely was any bias shown and most of that was anti UAE.

Banging your head up against a brick wall Redwitch.

[eweissenbach]

Al Jazeera was - is - an excellent news source. Research something and get your facts straight before making statements like that.

Al Jazeera - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera)

Good example of how misinformation gets spread on the internet.

[Taltarzac725]

Al Jazeera was - is - an excellent news source. Research something and get your facts straight before making statements like that.

Al Jazeera - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera)

Do agree there. :a040:

[Ecuadog]

The Associated Press, the BBC and Al Jazeera are the best at unbiased reporting of the news, IMHO.

[TexaninVA]

Al Jazeera was - is - an excellent news source. Research something and get your facts straight before making statements like that.

Al Jazeera - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera)

My facts are straight ... Al Jazeera is controlled by and a mouthpiece for Qatar and the MB.

[Velvet]

There is no way I would completely trust a source that is not from a country I would be comfortable in.

I would be prepared to hear them out, always remembering where they come from.

[Two Bills]

Watching reports from stations like Al Jazeera News, and RT (Russian TV) gives another prosective on how events are seen from a different viewpoint, and see how much they contradict, or in many cases agree with your own stations perceived idea of events.
I find those stations most informative.

[TexaninVA]

Watching reports from stations like Al Jazeera News, and RT (Russian TV) gives another prosective on how events are seen from a different viewpoint, and see how much they contradict, or in many cases agree with your own stations perceived idea of events.
I find those stations most informative.

Yes, I agree. Most informative.

Al Jazeera is well known for its Islamist leanings. It makes sense since the Emir of Qatar is footing the bill.

Al Jazeera: The Terrorist Propaganda Network :: The Investigative Project on Terrorism (https://www.investigativeproject.org/6478/al-jazeera-the-terrorist-propaganda-network)

Sheik Yusef Al-Qaradawi has a program with a huge audience, about twice the size of America’s largest radio host. The Sheik gives advice on the finer point of Sharia law. You should listen to it sometime.

[Velvet]

I can’t wait... I’ve lived all my life without his advice up to now.

[TexaninVA]

The source is factual and well-documented. You can lead a horse to water but can’t make him drink.

[Taltarzac725]

Weather Channel Reporter FAKES HIGH WINDS While Two People Walk By FINE - YouTube (https://youtu.be/tocuyJ1Fu7U)

Not even the weather news!

People do make mistakes. It is when it is intentional to fit an agenda that bugs me. And that usually involves them kowtowing to their employer's employer or getting fired.

The power of the press involves those can now afford to own one of these massive enterprises.

[Aces4]

Sure and unicorns too! :1rotfl:

[Velvet]

The power of the press involves those can now afford to own one of these massive enterprises.

Or Facebook, or Google or Apple. Isn’t it wonderful to have that kind of power?

[Gary Moscowitz]

News used to be just the news! Now it’s more who can sway opinion more. Going back more than a few hrs. major news stations would always identify “editorial views” vs straight news. Now everything is opinion! SAD!

[Rwirish]

Yes it is just you.

[jedalton]

I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?

try One America News

[SERENITY52]

I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?

News media have become very biased regardless of its form. The MSM is truly FAKE news.

[Love2Swim]

News media have become very biased regardless of its form. The MSM is truly FAKE news.

Are you referring to MSN news? If so, mediaBiasFactCheck says that MSN has a slight to moderate liberal bias. I would hardly call it "Fake" news.

For the record, they also say that FOX news is moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

[dennisgavin]

I find FOX news to be pretty accurate. Somehow I think I am going to be slammed...…

[yourjoy]

I listen to NPR and the BBC. I read Reuter’s and AP news. I think all 4 are trusted news sources.

[rlcooper70]

A 1949 Law requiring the "news" to present both sides of every issue was overturned by a Justice Department ruling in1987 - instigated by Dick Cheney's desire to allow his friends to present "Partisan News" and that is what we have today. NPR presents both sides but most of the presentations are meant to engage and "convince" the viewer. Sorry.

If you never watch the news again you can be informed by reading Foreign Affairs, the magazine. It "breaks down" the news and comes out every two months.

[ts12755]

Amazon's Washington Post portrayed Al Bagdaddi, the ISIS leader killed as Jesus Christ himself... Shame on that newspaper and its American and Christian hatred.

[Bay Kid]

Amazon's Washington Post portrayed Al Bagdaddi, the ISIS leader killed as Jesus Christ himself... Shame on that newspaper and its American and Christian hatred.

So sad. They probably never even opened a Bible.

[WelchNH]

Most "online news" is a victim of 24/7 innovations- news has drifted towards "news+entertainment".All the TV "opinion" shows are not news- they are just [biased] opinions. I still trust most reputable print sources- but even there, the consumer must be discerning in what (and who) to believe. Fast breaking stories usually change as more facts are learned. Unfortunately for democracy, there is less "trust" in all institutions. This leads to "I'll only trust certain ideologies, politicians, etc". This leads to a weakening of democratic values- it's how democracies evolve to autocracies. A good book on this is "How Democracies Die". Finally, if you can't be bothered to read, do 'critical thinking', or vote- then you'll get the leaders you deserve. It's too easy to blame politicians when the problem is low information voters

[Taltarzac725]

Amazon's Washington Post portrayed Al Bagdaddi, the ISIS leader killed as Jesus Christ himself... Shame on that newspaper and its American and Christian hatred.

I read that. They claimed he was a religious scholar and a terrorist. I no where saw anything comparing him to Jesus Christ.

[anothersteve]

I read that. They claimed he was a religious scholar and a terrorist. I no where saw anything comparing him to Jesus Christ.

Washington Post's headline called Baghdadi an "austere religious scholar at the helm of Islamic State". Before it was retracted.

Steve

[Bucco]

I read that. They claimed he was a religious scholar and a terrorist. I no where saw anything comparing him to Jesus Christ.

People just say stuff to rile. Factual info has no place. Like I was recently called "human scum", and you sort of just understand the source and what our country has become.

If anyone cares, the big deal is simply that he was referred to as a "religious scholar" and that set off h extremists. Post has since, but it never matters to those folks, apologized an said it was bad judgment using such headline.

Certainly not appropriate and out of line, but, as always, a vicious meanspirited response.

There are some who spend much of their day looking for conspiracy theories or something to hate

[Marykschulz]

News may or may not be real depending on its source. Some television personalities are not journalists, just entertainers, especially on cable channels. PBS has always been known as a nonpartisan source of real news. I am also confident in the major network news, ABC, CBS, and NBC.

[Taltarzac725]

Washington Post's headline called Baghdadi an "austere religious scholar at the helm of Islamic State". Before it was retracted.

Steve

Some of these terrorists do spend a great deal of time reading The Koran while cutting off people's heads in their spare time.

[Bucco]

Amazon's Washington Post portrayed Al Bagdaddi, the ISIS leader killed as Jesus Christ himself... Shame on that newspaper and its American and Christian hatred.

Oh, and just to be accurate, the Post is NOT owned by Amazon.

It is owned by Jeff Bezoz and tht is a huge difference.

To be accurate, it is owned by a holding company established by Bezoz

[vzw1pr]

The news is not something you can believe without doing a lot of homework trying to figure out what is acturally true it's filled with lies and half-truths journalists are not objective and have not been trained by universities to "just give the facts". The end justifies the means for way too many people.

[Bay Kid]

The news is not something you can believe without doing a lot of homework trying to figure out what is acturally true it's filled with lies and half-truths journalists are not objective and have not been trained by universities to "just give the facts". The end justifies the means for way too many people.

And that is why no news is good news.

[Bucco]

And that is why no news is good news.

That is an extremely scary post.

[Bucco]

The news is not something you can believe without doing a lot of homework trying to figure out what is acturally true it's filled with lies and half-truths journalists are not objective and have not been trained by universities to "just give the facts". The end justifies the means for way too many people.

Can you supply a link to n example of this

News....NOT opinion.

You need to be able to identify the difference.

[collie1228]

Oh, and just to be accurate, the Post is NOT owned by Amazon.

It is owned by Jeff Bezoz and tht is a huge difference.

To be accurate, it is owned by a holding company established by Bezoz

Of course you are correct, but I fail to see the distinction. Both the Post and Amazon are controlled by Bezos, and I have no idea if he gets involved with day-to-day operations at the Washington Post, but I have always wondered why one of the richest people on earth would want to own a newspaper, which is a losing proposition as a business. I think it's fair to wonder if he wants the megaphone.

[Bucco]

Of course you are correct, but I fail to see the distinction. Both the Post and Amazon are controlled by Bezos, and I have no idea if he gets involved with day-to-day operations at the Washington Post, but I have always wondered why one of the richest people on earth would want to own a newspaper, which is a losing proposition as a business. I think it's fair to wonder if he wants the megaphone.

I implore you to READ....especially, the way news is managed there, the Times, etc.

You are making extremely general, unfair and untrue comments.

Please read beyond what is preached to you.

Thanks. I think you might b impressed with the journllistic efforts by these papers.

It is so good, in fact, that each time n error is made, Some make a really big deal of it. And that is very rare. And always prompted by the same source.

The Post and the Times, and some others, always acknowledge and apologize if necessary...correct. The source that complains, based on corrections and apologizes has NEVER been wrong

To respond directly to the question....why.

Simple, newspapers were (are) floundering relative to the print. Bezoz he the money and savvy online to save a longtrusted corporation. He brought the paper an online presence. Very little, if any impact on the news coverage or editorial base.

Bottom line is the bottom line...good financial opportunity, but NOT some devious conspiracy.

[anothersteve]

All's it takes from a "news" source is an apology or retraction.... and it's back to unicorns and puppies.
Steve

[Bucco]

All's it takes from a "news" source is an apology or retraction.... and it's back to unicorns and puppies.
Steve

Not sure about your adjectives, but yes......that is how mature adults run business.

As to your little adjective used, have you ever checked the source of that particular phrase ? Interesting to read

ALSO.....since the title and subject of this thread is NEWS. Other than a very ill advised headline, were any actual FACTS reported in correctly based on your reading.

[clwahlstrom]

Pretty hard to do.

[Dilligas]

News broadcasts are in the business of selling air time and getting viewers, and will modify their reporting enough to sensationalize it for more viewers. When I hear a news, sports, or weather broadcast that starts or ends with ...."you heard it first....." I turn it off. I found channel 15 on DirecTV has a newscast from Paris, France in english reporting events of the world. The reporting is straight facts without opinion by the station. Refreshing when comparing the same content to US networks. I also dispise that mass media takes political sides (right or left) and slant their reporting with that in mind. All you can do now adays is watch and make your own opinion.

"If You Don’t Read the Newspaper You Are Uninformed, If You Do Read the Newspaper You Are Misinformed"......Mark Twain

[Bucco]

News broadcasts are in the business of selling air time and getting viewers, and will modify their reporting enough to sensationalize it for more viewers. When I hear a news, sports, or weather broadcast that starts or ends with ...."you heard it first....." I turn it off. I found channel 15 on DirecTV has a newscast from Paris, France in english reporting events of the world. The reporting is straight facts without opinion by the station. Refreshing when comparing the same content to US networks. I also dispise that mass media takes political sides (right or left) and slant their reporting with that in mind. All you can do now adays is watch and make your own opinion.

"If You Don’t Read the Newspaper You Are Uninformed, If You Do Read the Newspaper You Are Misinformed"......Mark Twain

VERY CLOSE to true.

I watch very little television news as you are correct...they are vying for viewers. I watch because you never know when you hear something a bit different, but mostly I rely on the WORLDS best coverage of news.....NYTIMES and WASHINGTON POST to begin with but not exclusive. I am old thus I have read over the journalistic protocals of most, and find those two plus a few others obviously to closely match, NOT MY LEANINGS, but the pursuit of facts that I am looking for.

Of course we then need to insure we read and insure understanding.

I will object to any media source that openly entertains a "state run" or "party run" approach to the news or anything.

CABLE NEWS SHOWS are not my cup of tea, nor should anyone rely on them to present actual facts......it is easier but much less accurate.

If someone relies solely on CABLE for news, they have no part in any conversation on issues, WHICH BY THE WAY IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON.

[Taltarzac725]

Just this month NBC has been getting further criticized for sitting on the Harvey Weinstien story. Meanwhile ABC got caught showing film clips of a range in Ky. and claiming it was Syria. The NY Times got a Pulitzer for 2 yrs. of complete fiction quoting "unnamed sources." They are nothing more that a house organ of the party. They are the American Pravda. They are an enemy of the People.

Seems kind of a simplistic take on the media.

[merrymini]

So sad that news reporters look to the edges and not the middle. The fringe gets all the attention making it difficult to trust anything they present.

[HimandMe]

Nope. When journalists ceased being journalists and became activists it ruined everything.

[OhioBuckeye]

I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?.
Well I get tired of hearing about all the finger pointing at each other in the govt. Because that’s about all you hear. Or it’s about all the shootings and assaults that’s going on, but I understand we do need to know that for our own protection in case it’s in our community. Just wish we could hear something positive! Makes me feel like there’s nothing to look forward to. I agree with you totally!

[mills3186]

It's important to watch/read several different sources so you can be fully informed. We tend to align ourselves with certain ways of thinking, when we hear things to the contrary it can be hard to accept. Neither accept everything you hear or read nor jump to the conclusion it's fake news when it conflicts with your views. Back in the day, we rarely questioned the news as it was presented, "and that's the way it is..."

[UHH47]

There is no NEWS on tv, only political agendas.

[HimandMe]

I find it absolutely ridiculous that many people claim MSNBC is biased, but accept as fact everything on Fox News. On the other hand alleging Fox News is biased but everything on MSNBC is gospel is equally ludicrous. Those outlets have a blatant bias for the most part, should never be accepted as the home of virtue. I read the Kansas City Star and the Washington Post online. I also read some articles posted on MSN. There are so many online "news" outlets that cannot be trusted. I think the ONION is more reliable than many of them. The president admitted in an interview a couple years ago that he railed against the mainstream media so that wen they said bad things about him his supporters would not believe it. Dangerous stuff my friends!

Look for results. What is actually being done and what is just a matter of mouthing off or worse blameshifting.

[Taltarzac725]

.
Well I get tired of hearing about all the finger pointing at each other in the govt. Because that’s about all you hear. Or it’s about all the shootings and assaults that’s going on, but I understand we do need to know that for our own protection in case it’s in our community. Just wish we could hear something positive! Makes me feel like there’s nothing to look forward to. I agree with you totally!

On The Road With Steve Hartman | CBS Evening News - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLotzEBRQdc0eX6sErNJED9JuHzJ1vcIu_)

Many of these stories by Steve Hartman are quite positive and fun. He is often on in the last segment of CBS Evening News on Fridays.

[Civicar]

Regardless of your party affiliation or orientation, [B][U]please watch all 3 major news channels (Fox, CNN, MSNBC), then make up your mind on issues. We only know what they feed us and each one has their slant. Watching news has become like listening to music on Pandora, if you only like "country music" that is all it will play for you.

It is not a coincidence that Republicans listen to Fox, Democrats listen to MSNBC and those in the middle listen to CNN. Years ago everyone listened to the same 6 pm News and got the same info. Now, none of the stations report ALL of what you need to know to make an informed decision. That is why we are so polarized politically than we have ever been. Please do yourself and our country a favor and tune in to all 3 channels and then you will understand why not everyone thinks like you and also perhaps get more of a full picture on important issues and political developments. Be fully informed before casting your votes

[Bucco]

Seems kind of a simplistic take on the media.

RIGHT ON.

We do not talk ISSUES any longer....it seems to be all about assaulting others.

If we really honestly cared bout the issues in our country, we would not tolerate ignoring our economy, guns, intrusion into our countries basics from outside

Media will play a video from a newsmaker.......newsmaker says, despite the obvious that they never said that.....suddenly the story is the media and the basic beginning of whatever was the point is now lost and we argue over the coverage and simply ignore the basic issue involved.

I guess that ploy is working because discussing the media or trashing those in the media seems to be the mainstay. Instead of issues, we just blame media.

Many months ago, almost all of our leaders in both houses of congress were calling for gun control. There was one sweeping bill passed, two more in the wings depending on the outcome of the first....all about, i think, widening the scope of background checks. THAT was passed right after the first of the year. ALL silent, no vote on the single bill passed. We are guilty, NOT the legislators for allowing this to happen. YET, we debate only headlines, NOT NEWS, or perceptions of things not founded in any facts day after day.

This thread was begun with a premise about whether to believe the news, yet we ignore the factual discussion and instead attack headline writers, etc, instead of discussing actual news.

news is fine but it is, as Tal has suggested, we ignore what we want in any case and go for the easy way.

[Bucco]

Regardless of your party affiliation or orientation, [B][U]please watch all 3 major news channels (Fox, CNN, MSNBC), then make up your mind on issues. We only know what they feed us and each one has their slant. Watching news has become like listening to music on Pandora, if you only like "country music" that is all it will play for you.

It is not a coincidence that Republicans listen to Fox, Democrats listen to MSNBC and those in the middle listen to CNN. Years ago everyone listened to the same 6 pm News and got the same info. Now, none of the stations report ALL of what you need to know to make an informed decision. That is why we are so polarized politically than we have ever been. Please do yourself and our country a favor and tune in to all 3 channels and then you will understand why not everyone thinks like you and also perhaps get more of a full picture on important issues and political developments. Be fully informed before casting your votes

You are correct, and by the way....politicians know this and play to everything you said

[Nucky]

And that is why no news is good news.

Don't be discouraged Bay Kid. You started a fantastic thread. :mademyday: I appreciate your thoughts. Some of our fellow residents just love to spin anything they read. Some claim age as a factor when it's convenient or needed to cover their tracks. Some are just miserable. Some cry about unkind words from others yet spread them themselves on a regular basis. Some hide behind the love of their Children and Grandchildren when needed to make a point. You know maybe these Posters are the people on The Newscasts??

I have to admit that my Channel of Choice has burnt me out so I changed to their competition for a while and then changed back. There is very little good news nowadays. It seems to be on a swivel. Somedays great Somedays bad. Not the news, the reporting.

You asked for people's opinions am I correct? So how can anyone do anything except giving their opinion instead of ripping other people's opinions and statements to shreds? Who gave them the power to be the teacher?

That's the sad thing. Spin, Spin, Spin!

[The Piper]

Media is a very large landscape so it's important to be a "healthy skeptic" when it comes to news. Never before has information been weaponized like it is today. When you have the "leader" of the free world constantly labeling journalists as "enemy of the people," it's easy to understand why many people are confused. Still, journalism is the only protected business (First Amendment) for a reason. The Founding Fathers knew that if Congress or the Courts failed to check the power of the Executive Branch, it would fall to the press (or Fourth Estate) to hold truth to power. That's why this is a critical time for journalists to pursue the truth even when it's unpopular to do so. It's also important for consumers to question sources and challenge information they see and hear from news services or TV stations. I prefer print though most of my reading comes from online sources. I specifically don't trust talking heads who appear after 6 p.m. as "personalities" who are driven by ratings and not news. Trust doesn't mean that reporters from the Washington Post, N.Y. Times, Axios, The Atlantic or Vox don't makes mistakes. They do. The difference is that reporters from these outlets admit to errors and try to learn from them (or they are fired). Others are motivated only by providing information that confirms the bias of those who watch. Being truly informed (rather than entertained) takes work, time, and effort. And it's never been more important.

[Bucco]

Media is a very large landscape so it's important to be a "healthy skeptic" when it comes to news. Never before has information been weaponized like it is today. When you have the "leader" of the free world constantly labeling journalists as "enemy of the people," it's easy to understand why many people are confused. Still, journalism is the only protected business (First Amendment) for a reason. The Founding Fathers knew that if Congress or the Courts failed to check the power of the Executive Branch, it would fall to the press (or Fourth Estate) to hold truth to power. That's why this is a critical time for journalists to pursue the truth even when it's unpopular to do so. It's also important for consumers to question sources and challenge information they see and hear from news services or TV stations. I prefer print though most of my reading comes from online sources. I specifically don't trust talking heads who appear after 6 p.m. as "personalities" who are driven by ratings and not news. Trust doesn't mean that reporters from the Washington Post, N.Y. Times, Axios, The Atlantic or Vox don't makes mistakes. They do. The difference is that reporters from these outlets admit to errors and try to learn from them (or they are fired). Others are motivated only by providing information that confirms the bias of those who watch. Being truly informed (rather than entertained) takes work, time, and effort. And it's never been more important.

You are correct, and right on time it seems.

The post prior to yours takes the tac that is popular today. Those who offer constructive opinions are attacking others or some other name. Just another way to demean and trivialize your points which are very valid.

When you disagree with someone, that is not defined as ripping another opinion. It is defined as DISAGREEING and that is great.....on the issues and with some creds.. Two or more points of view and discussion is vital to all of us and always has been.

[HimandMe]

There is a real opportunity for a new station to arrive on the scene with honest non-biased journalists. So many are sick of the way it is. One party used to sharpen the other. Big government politics vs. small government. They can start there. The universities we partly fund don’t help as they too have blatant prejudices and are turning out activist journalists. I believe most people just want facts, not facts with an agenda. People need to cry out loudly for this. We are One people, diverse, different and that should be a good thing as we all can learn. As it is now, it is a house divided and that should scare us.

And, for those in office, it’s time when they pass laws that they are not exempt from them. If we can live with it, so can they with a few necessary exceptions of course.

[Nucky]

Disagreeing and Spinning are two different things. Some people have it down to an Art Form. I think I'll take all the news and make up my own mind but I will never ever listen to one of the news channels. NEVER! Spin Away! I love News, I just watch too much of it! OK, it's all yours. Teach me where I'm wrong he said to no one in particular! Maybe it's my YOUT (Fred Gywnn & Joe Pesci) that makes even my OPINION never correct! It doesn't matter I answered the OP'S question.

[Radec52]

When you realize that all programming exists so you will view the advertisements, it is easier to understand why strictly factual news is rare.

[Madelaine Amee]

Media is a very large landscape so it's important to be a "healthy skeptic" when it comes to news. Never before has information been weaponized like it is today. When you have the "leader" of the free world constantly labeling journalists as "enemy of the people," it's easy to understand why many people are confused. Still, journalism is the only protected business (First Amendment) for a reason. The Founding Fathers knew that if Congress or the Courts failed to check the power of the Executive Branch, it would fall to the press (or Fourth Estate) to hold truth to power. That's why this is a critical time for journalists to pursue the truth even when it's unpopular to do so. It's also important for consumers to question sources and challenge information they see and hear from news services or TV stations. I prefer print though most of my reading comes from online sources. I specifically don't trust talking heads who appear after 6 p.m. as "personalities" who are driven by ratings and not news. Trust doesn't mean that reporters from the Washington Post, N.Y. Times, Axios, The Atlantic or Vox don't makes mistakes. They do. The difference is that reporters from these outlets admit to errors and try to learn from them (or they are fired). Others are motivated only by providing information that confirms the bias of those who watch. Being truly informed (rather than entertained) takes work, time, and effort. And it's never been more important.

I listened this afternoon to Richard Engel reporting from Syria on the killing of Baghdaddi and how it was accomplished. It actually is somewhat different from what we are being told either by the news sources or from the White House. To have finally found this very terrible person and to have finished him off should be the whole story, it does not need spinning by either side - but spin it they will and we are left to fact search the truth for ourselves.

[diane reynolds]

It is up to the consumer of news to apply critical thinking skills for accuracy. I also have begun to believe only what I actually hear coming from someone's mouth---like trump and his tweets. I recently was able to visit Bears Ears and Escalante National Monuments which Sierra Club had reported were being diminished in size by Trump and I saw for myself and talked to Park Rangers about it and found it to be true. Trump has shrunk both monuments. I also traveled to Homestead, FL and looked over a fence into one of the camps for immigrant children and saw the conditions for myself. It takes research and time to find the truth, but it is possible.

[Bucco]

I listened this afternoon to Richard Engel reporting from Syria on the killing of Baghdaddi and how it was accomplished. It actually is somewhat different from what we are being told either by the news sources or from the White House. To have finally found this very terrible person and to have finished him off should be the whole story, it does not need spinning by either side - but spin it they will and we are left to fact search the truth for ourselves.

First of all, Richard Engel is fantastic. He knows of what he speaks and his presentation is also great.

Yes, the story of the killing of a very bad person should have been the entire story, and in my opinion would have been had it had just been an announcement but so much was added and it overshadowed the story.

[Bucco]

It is up to the consumer of news to apply critical thinking skills for accuracy. I also have begun to believe only what I actually hear coming from someone's mouth---like trump and his tweets. I recently was able to visit Bears Ears and Escalante National Monuments which Sierra Club had reported were being diminished in size by Trump and I saw for myself and talked to Park Rangers about it and found it to be true. Trump has shrunk both monuments. I also traveled to Homestead, FL and looked over a fence into one of the camps for immigrant children and saw the conditions for myself. It takes research and time to find the truth, but it is possible.

So correct and spot on. Research would actually open eyes as to just a sampling of what is actually happening.

Not a conspiracy theory, but from experience discussing them specifically and giving links are not allowed. And the subject is news....your post is spot on, and way back on this thread there was a post referring to news that goes unreported. Reported but overshadowed.

[mikemalloy]

The "press" is given Constitutional protection because they are supposed to be the watchdog of the people. They make a mockery of that protection when they are the lapdog of a political group.

[anothersteve]

The "press" is given Constitutional protection because they are supposed to be the watchdog of the people. They make a mockery of that protection when they are the lapdog of a political group.

Interesting point
Steve

[anothersteve]

Not sure about your adjectives, but yes......that is how mature adults run business.

As to your little adjective used, have you ever checked the source of that particular phrase ? Interesting to read

ALSO.....since the title and subject of this thread is NEWS. Other than a very ill advised headline, were any actual FACTS reported in correctly based on your reading.

OK...........you lost me with your edit.
Steve

[TexaninVA]

Washington Post's headline called Baghdadi an "austere religious scholar at the helm of Islamic State". Before it was retracted.

Steve

Describing Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi as an “austere religious scholar” is not related to so-called fake news or bias etc.

Rather, it’s WaPo’s unwillingness to accurately describe who he was.

He was the epitome … literally … of a Radical Is*lamic Terrorist, which is a largely forbidden term.

He was the Caliph (i.e combination of a Pope & King) who was the head guy for ISIS (Is*lamic State of Iraq and Syria). Hence, the WaPo simply chose to deliberately obfuscate who he was.

Great job by the US military and intel community by the way. I especially liked the “hero dog.” That snarling dog’s face was the last thing the Baghdadi saw on this earth and likely is what prompted him to hit the detonator.

[jebartle]

Media is a very large landscape so it's important to be a "healthy skeptic" when it comes to news. Never before has information been weaponized like it is today. When you have the "leader" of the free world constantly labeling journalists as "enemy of the people," it's easy to understand why many people are confused. Still, journalism is the only protected business (First Amendment) for a reason. The Founding Fathers knew that if Congress or the Courts failed to check the power of the Executive Branch, it would fall to the press (or Fourth Estate) to hold truth to power. That's why this is a critical time for journalists to pursue the truth even when it's unpopular to do so. It's also important for consumers to question sources and challenge information they see and hear from news services or TV stations. I prefer print though most of my reading comes from online sources. I specifically don't trust talking heads who appear after 6 p.m. as "personalities" who are driven by ratings and not news. Trust doesn't mean that reporters from the Washington Post, N.Y. Times, Axios, The Atlantic or Vox don't makes mistakes. They do. The difference is that reporters from these outlets admit to errors and try to learn from them (or they are fired). Others are motivated only by providing information that confirms the bias of those who watch. Being truly informed (rather than entertained) takes work, time, and effort. And it's never been more important.

Good post, maybe what we need is a show called FACT CHECK, that actually does just THAT!

[graciegirl]

This thread was begun with a premise about whether to believe the news, yet we ignore the factual discussion and instead attack headline writers, etc, instead of discussing actual news.



Here is a screen shot of the headlines this morning on my computer screen, which is where I think most people read the news.

[Bogie Shooter]

Good post, maybe what we need is a show called FACT CHECK, that actually does just THAT!

FactCheck.org - A Project of The Annenberg Public Policy Center (https://www.factcheck.org/)

[Bucco]

FactCheck.org - A Project of The Annenberg Public Policy Center (https://www.factcheck.org/)

Thanks for the link, but it is bit unfair of you to confuse so many with factual information.

[linda.gnov@gmail.com]

Waste of money to buy the Village Sun....not really the news...just all the pleasant.....this place is so awesome news...in order to SELL MORE HOUSES.

[Bogie Shooter]

Waste of money to buy the Village Sun....not really the news...just all the pleasant.....this place is so awesome news...in order to SELL MORE HOUSES.

Did you buy?

BTW, from TOTV Guidelines:
We suggest that you do not include your personal email address, phone numbers, or addresses within the content of your blog, posts, classified ads or username. This is to help you maintain your personal privacy and safety.

[kayak]

My favorite news source is The Patriot Post. I signed up for their daily email so I get my news right to my inbox. This is the one I trust.
You can search for them on the web.

[anothersteve]

Waste of money to buy the Village Sun....not really the news...just all the pleasant.....this place is so awesome news...in order to SELL MORE HOUSES.

Nice first post. :ohdear:
Steve

[jebartle]

I listened this afternoon to Richard Engel reporting from Syria on the killing of Baghdaddi and how it was accomplished. It actually is somewhat different from what we are being told either by the news sources or from the White House. To have finally found this very terrible person and to have finished him off should be the whole story, it does not need spinning by either side - but spin it they will and we are left to fact search the truth for ourselves.

WHO is spinning, WH, news source or Richard Engel, hmmmm! Only the wizard knows!

[Love2Swim]

My favorite news source is The Patriot Post. I signed up for their daily email so I get my news right to my inbox. This is the one I trust.
You can search for them on the web.

I did search and this is what Media fact check says about Patriot Post:
These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

In other words, it is a biased news source, not to be trusted.

[Two Bills]

Waste of money to buy the Village Sun....not really the news...just all the pleasant.....this place is so awesome news...in order to SELL MORE HOUSES.

The newspaper owner is also The Developer.
Not likely to run a story calling the place a dump, and you would be better off buying somewhere else are they?
Any way, my wife likes the crossword, house sales, or no house sales!!

[Bucco]

Describing Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi as an “austere religious scholar” is not related to so-called fake news or bias etc.

Rather, it’s WaPo’s unwillingness to accurately describe who he was.

He was the epitome … literally … of a Radical Is*lamic Terrorist, which is a largely forbidden term.

He was the Caliph (i.e combination of a Pope & King) who was the head guy for ISIS (Is*lamic State of Iraq and Syria). Hence, the WaPo simply chose to deliberately obfuscate who he was.

Great job by the US military and intel community by the way. I especially liked the “hero dog.” That snarling dog’s face was the last thing the Baghdadi saw on this earth and likely is what prompted him to hit the detonator.

Interesting......

Here we have a story that is 100% accurate, but with. A very questionable headline.

Last night and this morning, regarding a patriotic war hero testifying before congress today, on one of the most watched networks, they are questioning his patriotism, suggesting he may be a double agent, etc, and the WH is in full character assisination mode. So, in this case, NO FACTS, just attack for some reason.

I will take the source with facts and truth.

[Polar Bear]

I did search and this is what Media fact check says...
Honest question...who checks the fact checkers for accuracy, bias, etc.?

[Nucky]

Honest question...who checks the fact checkers for accuracy, bias, etc.?

Bingo! Give that Bear a Cigar!

I have a feeling someone has the answer PB all we have to do is wait a bit. :read: CARNAC THE MAGNIFICENT will be here with the answer shortly! I wish I had the answer?? I dunt! :duck:

[anothersteve]

Bingo! Give that Bear a Cigar!

I have a feeling someone has the answer PB all we have to do is wait a bit. :read: CARNAC THE MAGNIFICENT will be here with the answer shortly! I wish I had the answer?? I dunt! :duck:

Even though I'm sure I'm not Carnack, here goes something.
The Facts About Fact-Checkers | The Heritage Foundation (https://www.heritage.org/public-opinion/commentary/the-facts-about-fact-checkers)
Who Is Fact Checking The Media Fact Checkers? (https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/fact-checkers-big-media/)
SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class journal research (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053168018786848)

More to follow I'm sure

Steve

[dewilson58]

I think, if you watch national news and want to know what is going on................you need to watch both a right-wing and a left-wing channels and the "truth" is somewhere in between.


:pray:

[Velvet]

I agree.

[TexaninVA]

Interesting......

Here we have a story that is 100% accurate, but with. A very questionable headline.

Last night and this morning, regarding a patriotic war hero testifying before congress today, on one of the most watched networks, they are questioning his patriotism, suggesting he may be a double agent, etc, and the WH is in full character assisination mode. So, in this case, NO FACTS, just attack for some reason.

I will take the source with facts and truth.

Would be best not to inject politics into this discussion and instead stick to the topic of the thread

[Bucco]

Would be best not to inject politics into this discussion and instead stick to the topic of the thread

Topic is news coverage and I agree with you.

I am comparing critiquing a headline and ignoring the accuracy of the story...

To

A manufactured story with no facts with much twisted information.

Fair, actually not fair.....broadcasting on a news network things that are not true simply to go after the character of a hero vet serving his country and broadcasting as if true.....well, THAT serves as a great example of cheap and sham journalism, from a source oft quoted on this very forum.

My reference to the WH seems fair, as a number of folks have done so already, and much of what is coming from there, if not all began on that same network.

NOT political unless you see it somewhere.........WH coverage of the killing of a very bad man has been referenced and never challanged by anyone.

Not discussing politics.....speaking to NEWS coverage or lack there of which is the absolute subject here.

I cannot imagine discussing news coverage without speaking to phoney and false broadcasts.

[Taltarzac725]

Honest question...who checks the fact checkers for accuracy, bias, etc.?

You usually can check this for yourself by doing some research. You do have the world at your fingertips.

[Bucco]

Honest question...who checks the fact checkers for accuracy, bias, etc.?

GREAT QUESTION, AND for me, I never ever have used fact checkers except a few years ago as that genre was emerging.

Much too easy to do your own actually

[Bucco]

You usually can check this for yourself by doing some research. You do have the world at your fingertips.

Spot on Tal. Information is available to check accuracy on almost everything, and it is easy to determine who is lying and who is tellng the truth.....IF you wish to.

[Taltarzac725]

Spot on Tal. Information is available to check accuracy on almost everything, and it is easy to determine who is lying and who is tellng the truth.....IF you wish to.

I do take into account the person giving out the information's character and reputation. If the leopard has had spots most of its life those will remain no matter how many times that leopard says it has no spots.

[Love2Swim]

Even though I'm sure I'm not Carnack, here goes something.
The Facts About Fact-Checkers | The Heritage Foundation (https://www.heritage.org/public-opinion/commentary/the-facts-about-fact-checkers)
Who Is Fact Checking The Media Fact Checkers? (https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/fact-checkers-big-media/)
SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class journal research (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053168018786848)

More to follow I'm sure

Steve

Wikipedia says The Heritage Foundation is a Conservative Think Tank. And Investors Business Daily is also listed as conservative partisan. Here is a link that talks about legitimate fact checkers:The 6 Best Political Fact-Checking Sites on the Internet (https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/best-fact-checking-websites/)

[anothersteve]

Wikipedia says The Heritage Foundation is a Conservative Think Tank. And Investors Business Daily is also listed as conservative partisan. Here is a link that talks about legitimate fact checkers:The 6 Best Political Fact-Checking Sites on the Internet (https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/best-fact-checking-websites/)

Round and round we go.....where it stops, nobody knows.
Steve

[kayak]

I did search and this is what Media fact check says about Patriot Post:
These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

In other words, it is a biased news source, not to be trusted.
So you found a biased source that say the Patriot Post is biased. Can't be trusted. End of story. It's not hard to find someone to agree with your disagreement.
The real question is about the truth. Their reporting is truthful and it is my most trusted source of news. Highly recommended.

[Bucco]

So you found a biased source that say the Patriot Post is biased. Can't be trusted. End of story. It's not hard to find someone to agree with your disagreement.
The real question is about the truth. Their reporting is truthful and it is my most trusted source of news. Highly recommended.

Do you know the REAL NAME of any of the writers on this site ?

This used to be called the "Federalist" and you will not be able to find any true or real names of anyone who writes there, which indicates something, but if you wont give your name or use fraud names...well I am out

[Madelaine Amee]

This thread is becoming old, real old and very tiresome. All it proves is that it is impossible to change a mind that is made up! My truth, your truth, who knows, it basically all comes down to what a person wants to believe is true!

[Bucco]

Amee[/B];1691991]This thread is becoming old, real old and very tiresome. All it proves is that it is impossible to change a mind that is made up! My truth, your truth, who knows, it basically all comes down to what a person wants to believe is true!

One thing from this corner and your point is valid.

WE, the people who live in this country ned to demand the truth, stop tolerating lying from any news source, AND our leaders.

Then we have no need for factcheckers, etc.

Do not accept lying any longer. and think about we go through this. The liars are using us...the method of dividing the country is working because we allow it. We are now in an arena here partisan truth extending has been taken to a new level of outright deceit.

Put blame where it belongs, and put country before party. We are the tools being used for our own destruction..

[Velvet]

In my opinion, we will never agree. Even eyewitnesses sometimes disagree on the color of the car they saw. A victim and a bully will always see things from different perspectives. There are two or more sides to every story. A “hero” in one place is a “terrorist” somewhere else. The best we can do is try to see the same thing from others’ point of view.

[jklfairwin]

I can't speak about tv news in general, since the only one I occasionally watch is PBS, but most shows people watch are not news, they are opinion, Hannity, Maddow, etc. These, I believe are notoriously unreliable. The best news sources are still the major news services, NYT, WAPO, AP, BBC, etc, which actually have editors and standards, but again, one must be a critical reader.


Critical reading (or listening) is a skill that must be acquired and, unfortunately, it is not well taught in school, if taught at all. News is a competitive business, and there is always a push to be first with a story and honest mistakes frequently occur. The individual internet sites are again notoriously unreliable. Unnamed sources or unnamed high officials are always suspect. All sources and authors should always be checked for accuracy and bias.

But all this said, staying well informed can be time consuming and requires a lot of effort. Hard to find time with golf , pickleball, facebook, etc, but if democracy is to work, it is the duty of all citizens to stay informed.

[ColdNoMore]

Wikipedia says The Heritage Foundation is a Conservative Think Tank. And Investors Business Daily is also listed as conservative partisan. Here is a link that talks about legitimate fact checkers:The 6 Best Political Fact-Checking Sites on the Internet (https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/best-fact-checking-websites/)

:thumbup:


I posted that same link a couple of times now, but there will always be those that prefer the sources...that meet only their own confirmation bias. :oops:


And it's best to look up something on at least a few of those highly-rated sites...so maybe the truth will sink in.


Facts matter. :ohdear:

[Nucky]

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I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?

Bay Kid, I don't believe I ever saw a Thread with so many Thank You's. Great job bringing up a Great question. I do believe your question boiled down to trust of news sources and wondering if it was just you who felt that way. I think you have received an array of outlooks and responses. I guess the way the news is reported has rubbed off on some of our valued posters and fellow Villagers. The same old garbage reheated and spewed and spun.

I would like to thank you. Your post has somewhat freed me from so much news. I was in a rut. I think balance is the thing that will make watching less painful. Not living this all day every day is a good thing for me and others.

Good Job Bay Kid!

[anothersteve]

:thumbup:


but there will always be those that prefer the sources...that meet only their own confirmation bias. :oops:
Facts matter. :ohdear:

Exactly. :blahblahblah:

Steve

[Mumbles]

My guess is that we have been scrubbed over for too long by "Fake" news. A better term might be "Opinion News". I watch Fox and MSNBC and find that there are so many talking heads, I don't know who to believe. BUT, it's my job as a thinker to FIND OUT what the truth is by doing my own research of facts put forward. In the olden days-when I was in school-- our social studies teacher taught us to debate topics that were quite controversial and to FORGET about wanting to WIN the debate. It's not about winning; it's about learning how to THINK. If the House and Senate would follow that, we'd have SO much more cooperation, negotiation, and bills sent to the Prexy to sign for them to become law.

[Bucco]

My guess is that we have been scrubbed over for too long by "Fake" news. A better term might be "Opinion News". I watch Fox and MSNBC and find that there are so many talking heads, I don't know who to believe. BUT, it's my job as a thinker to FIND OUT what the truth is by doing my own research of facts put forward. In the olden days-when I was in school-- our social studies teacher taught us to debate topics that were quite controversial and to FORGET about wanting to WIN the debate. It's not about winning; it's about learning how to THINK. If the House and Senate would follow that, we'd have SO much more cooperation, negotiation, and bills sent to the Prexy to sign for them to become law.

You make many good points. I am still in awe over having the bills passed by congress (gun legislation, etc) in February not even allowed to be discussed.

It is correct....it is not about winning, but about a Search for the truth . I know it's out there but so many have turned their back on truth. And as stated on this very forum directly to me...it has become all about winning.

When my country is involved TRUTH, TRUST easily triumphs over winning.

"Most" news organization, thankfully, are set up to insure truth Is printed. Ignoring it to win, as you state, is unpatriotic at best.

[ColdNoMore]

Exactly. :blahblahblah:

Steve

You left this part out of your quote of me. :ho:



And it's best to look up something on at least a few of those highly-rated sites...so maybe the truth will sink in.

Facts matter. :ohdear:

[anothersteve]

You left this part out of your quote of me. :ho:

I know.
Steve

[Bucco]

I know.
Steve

Point made about a "win" versus honesty

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I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?

Bay Kid, I don't believe I ever saw a Thread with so many Thank You's. Great job bringing up a Great question. I do believe your question boiled down to trust of news sources and wondering if it was just you who felt that way. I think you have received an array of outlooks and responses. I guess the way the news is reported has rubbed off on some of our valued posters and fellow Villagers. The same old garbage reheated and spewed and spun.

I would like to thank you. Your post has somewhat freed me from so much news. I was in a rut. I think balance is the thing that will make watching less painful. Not living this all day every day is a good thing for me and others.

Good Job Bay Kid!

Thank you. I used to love morning news. Now they all spend the 1st 15 minutes with their own agenda. So sad.

[graciegirl]

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I find it harder everyday to watch any news. I have lost my trust in most things they report. Is this just me?

Bay Kid, I don't believe I ever saw a Thread with so many Thank You's. Great job bringing up a Great question. I do believe your question boiled down to trust of news sources and wondering if it was just you who felt that way. I think you have received an array of outlooks and responses. I guess the way the news is reported has rubbed off on some of our valued posters and fellow Villagers. The same old garbage reheated and spewed and spun.

I would like to thank you. Your post has somewhat freed me from so much news. I was in a rut. I think balance is the thing that will make watching less painful. Not living this all day every day is a good thing for me and others.

Good Job Bay Kid!

That Bay Kid. Came here to see for sure his parents were doing well, liked it and found a place of his own. I have learned so much from this nice fellow. About the Chesapeake Bay, about yummy food, about life and life lessons. One of these days I am gonna shake his hand.

Thank you for your excellent presentation of a worthy subject.

I really think that the three networks; CNN, MSNBC and the largest viewed, Fox News are biased and have strong opinions in their daily "shows". The News we read online, which is where most people "get their news" as I was trying to illustrate with my computer screen shot, RARELY show what happened but give an interpretation at best and almost always at least to me, a biased view. That is why there is so much outrage. Only half of the country agree with what we see repeatedly.

[Bucco]

Thank you. I used to love morning news. Now they all spend the 1st 15 minutes with their own agenda. So sad.

I think this thread could hve been great....the thought was great.

Cable news was made for all the things you hate, and I hate. Mixing spin with half facts.

I not watch it except for entertainment value. If you enjoy being up to date, pick up the Times, the Post, or another reputable newspaper and you got it.

[graciegirl]

We miss you Walter Cronkite.

walter cronkite sign-off - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=walter+cronkite+sign-off&view=detail&mid=247C56C164EC950CA6F1247C56C164EC950CA6F1&FORM=VIRE)

[Bucco]

That Bay Kid. Came here to see for sure his parents were doing well, liked it and found a place of his own. I have learned so much from this nice fellow. About the Chesapeake Bay, about yummy food, about life and life lessons. One of these days I am gonna shake his hand.

Thank you for your excellent presentation of a worthy subject.

I really think that the three networks; CNN, MSNBC and the largest viewed, Fox News are biased and have strong opinions in their daily "shows". The News we read online, which is where most people "get their news" as I was trying to illustrate with my computer screen shot, RARELY show what happened but give an interpretation at best and almost always a to me, biased view. That is why there is so much outrage. Only half of the country agree with what we see repeatedly.

What you describe is called "headline reading" , and relying on that is worse than doing nothing. If that is a source of NEWS then those who do that can't possibly be even remotely informed.

[collie1228]

The TV news business has gotten really lazy. How many times do I have to hear "After the break we will hear from our all-star panel"? Frankly I don't like or believe your all-star panel. Panels are simply a lazy way for the networks to fill airtime with talking heads. And it's obvious that these talking heads get their talking points from their ideological leaders (DNC, RNC, Heritage Foundation, Brookings, etc.). Left wingers and right wingers on all networks make the same points, using the same language. Is anyone else tired or hearing the term "existential threat"?

[Taltarzac725]

The TV news business has gotten really lazy. How many times do I have to hear "After the break we will hear from our all-star panel"? Frankly I don't like or believe your all-star panel. Panels are simply a lazy way for the networks to fill airtime with talking heads. And it's obvious that these talking heads get their talking points from their ideological leaders (DNC, RNC, Heritage Foundation, Brookings, etc.). Left wingers and right wingers on all networks make the same points, using the same language. Is anyone else tired or hearing the term "existential threat"?

That is MSNBC, Fox Cable, CNN, etc, usually and not the regular stations like CBS, NBC and ABC.

[anothersteve]

That is MSNBC, Fox Cable, CNN, etc, usually and not the regular stations like CBS, NBC and ABC.

And that's only because MSNBC, Fox, CNN are 24/7/365.
CBS, NBC, ABC have certain time slots to fill.
Steve

[graciegirl]

What you describe is called "headline reading" , and relying on that is worse than doing nothing. If that is a source of NEWS then those who do that can't possibly be even remotely informed.

What you just wrote is an opinion of what I just wrote.


Here is a screen shot of the "headlines" on my computer this morning;

Disclaimer; I read all articles. My family will tell me what to further think about them later this week...………..I have one employed by each side...…..

[Taltarzac725]

And that's only because MSNBC, Fox, CNN are 24/7/365.
CBS, NBC, ABC have certain time slots to fill.
Steve

There are many stations now so they compete for audiences.

The panels they bring up also seem to vary a great deal as to the qualifications of these guests. Some stations are much better than others with whom they give the spotlight to at any given moment.

I watch CNN quite often and they often have people from various different agendas on their programs.

Other stations look more like a Saturday Night Live parody of real life.

[anothersteve]

There are many stations now so they compete for audiences.

The panels they bring up also seem to vary a great deal as to the qualifications of these guests. Some stations are much better than others with whom they give the spotlight to at any given moment.

I watch CNN quite often and they often have people from various different agendas on their programs.

Other stations look more like a Saturday Night Live parody of real life.

Agree (except for watching CNN part :) )
My point was that "discussion" panels are more prevalent with the cable "news" channels because they are 24/7/365
Non cable Sunday "news" panels are a different story altogether.
Steve

[graciegirl]

Has anyone noticed more negative reporting about law enforcement? Here is one this morning...……

[Taltarzac725]

Has anyone noticed more negative reporting about law enforcement? Here is one this morning...……

Think it depends on the news cycle and has no broader meaning.

The story you referenced was very disturbing.

[anothersteve]

Here is the story, I had to look it up
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/30/police-blew-up-an-innocent-mans-house-search-an-armed-shoplifter-too-bad-court-rules/

My opinion. The police went a tad too far for one individual.
Steve

[Bucco]

Has anyone noticed more negative reporting about law enforcement? Here is one this morning...……

Were the details of the story correct ??

Did what the headline show actually happen ?

That is like saying when "man1" shoots and kills "man#2" and the headline says "man1 shoots and kills man#2"......that could be called negative news about "man1".

Point is it was accurate.....there is an assumption that people read beyond headlines.

If you do something wrong, you cannot complain about the subsequent publicity surrounding your wrongful act.

[Bucco]

What you just wrote is an opinion of what I just wrote.


Here is a screen shot of the "headlines" on my computer this morning;

Disclaimer; I read all articles. My family will tell me what to further think about them later this week...………..I have one employed by each side...…..

You alluding to "each side" is a very telling comment on how you feel about news.

[billgraba]

I think you hit the nail on the head, Ed.

[graciegirl]

You alluding to "each side" is a very telling comment on how you feel about news.

As is yours.

[Bucco]

As is yours.

Interesting, I do not recall making any statement close to referring to a "side"

Factually, I have been consistent in my criticism of cable news as a first line choice or news, and actually have never referred to a cable channel by its name.

Interesting though that it was read that I mentioned "side". Perhaps, you can point out on this thread about news coverage where I may have said that.

Bottom line to me is though those who are disgusted with news might actually be disgusted with the NEWSMAKERS, not the media who reports it.