Available activities are not always what they seem

[npwalters]

Let me lead with this. We have been here (off and on) for about 4 years. We love it here and stay active.

Having said that and after reading the post about some clubs restricted by numbers or demographics let me relate our experience in an attempt at full disclosure for anyone looking to move here.

My wife is a very experienced glass artist. She taught stained glass classes at our old home. She tried to join 2 fused glass clubs. We have now been on the "waiting list" for 3 years and the phone has not rung.

I inquired about the woodworking club/shop and was told (with a condescending look) the waiting list was about 2 years long but "sure, go ahead and put your name on the list".

My wife recently tried to join another club and was told it is closed to new members.

The country club pools, etc. require and extra fee.

On the brighter side we play pickleball daily and have been welcomed. We joined a mahjong group and were taught and welcomed. Our neighborhood association have included us and encourage participation. I have been asked to join a couple of golf groups. We stay as active as we want to be.

Just know that while all the activities are "available" many may not be available to YOU and it will get worse as the villages continues its explosive growth.

[Bogie Shooter]

Let me lead with this. We have been here (off and on) for about 4 years. We love it here and stay active.

Having said that and after reading the post about some clubs restricted by numbers or demographics let me relate our experience in an attempt at full disclosure for anyone looking to move here.

My wife is a very experienced glass artist. She taught stained glass classes at our old home. She tried to join 2 fused glass clubs. We have now been on the "waiting list" for 3 years and the phone has not rung.

I inquired about the woodworking club/shop and was told (with a condescending look) the waiting list was about 2 years long but "sure, go ahead and put your name on the list".

My wife recently tried to join another club and was told it is closed to new members.

The country club pools, etc. require and extra fee.

On the brighter side we play pickleball daily and have been welcomed. We joined a mahjong group and were taught and welcomed. Our neighborhood association have included us and encourage participation. I have been asked to join a couple of golf groups. We stay as active as we want to be.

Just know that while all the activities are "available" many may not be available to YOU and it will get worse as the villages continues its explosive growth.

This is not necessarily true as new clubs and activities will be started.

[billethkid]

This is not necessarily true as new clubs and activities will be started.

Correctomundo!!!

And you can always start a new club if one is already full.

Some how we made it from 30,000 to 130,000 population with clubs growing and being added all along the time line.

[npwalters]

This is not necessarily true as new clubs and activities will be started.

OK, but it is true now and has been for at least the last 4 years (the time I know about).

[billethkid]

OK, but it is true now and has been for at least the last 4 years (the time I know about).

You can always start a new club if one is already full.

Some how we made it from 30,000 to 130,000 population with clubs growing and being added all along the time line.

[Velvet]

Just curious, how do you start a wood working shop? I would love to make frames for my canvasses. Who knows if I’ll be alive in 2 or 4 years.... I hope I’ll be.

[npwalters]

Just curious, how do you start a wood working shop? I would love to make frames for my canvasses. Who knows if I’ll be alive in 2 or 4 years.... I hope I’ll be.

It is often the activities that require hardware (kilns for glass or woodworking machines, etc) that have very long waiting lists. Other long waits can be things like cheerleaders that only need/want a limited membership
BTW -cheerleader is not on our wish list LOL.

I'm sure that if one chooses to start a Blue Tailed French Spotted Warbler club there would be a room available somewhere.

[Bogie Shooter]

Just curious, how do you start a wood working shop? I would love to make frames for my canvasses. Who knows if I’ll be alive in 2 or 4 years.... I hope I’ll be.

Why would you need a wood working shop?
how to make frames for canvass - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=how+to+make+frames+for+canvass&qpvt=how+to+make+frames+for+canvass&FORM=VDRE)

[Fredster]

Just curious, how do you start a wood working shop? I would love to make frames for my canvasses. Who knows if I’ll be alive in 2 or 4 years.... I hope I’ll be.

A friend of mine applied for woodworking earlier this year
and he recently got a notice to attend the training class,
so it might not take as long as you think!
But you have to put your name in to actually get the ball rolling!

[Velvet]

I LOVE the smell of freshly cut wood, sanded wood, and I also make simple furniture, sculpt wood too. And the chat of fellow wood workers Is great.

You are right though I can have my own cutting tools in the garage for frames.

[Velvet]

A friend of mine applied for woodworking earlier this year
and he recently got a notice to attend the training class,
so it might not take as long as you think!
But you have to put your name in to actually get the ball rolling!

Yes!

[Marathon Man]

Clubs need volunteers to head them up. Waiting lists will continue to be long if no one is willing to step up.

[graciegirl]

Just curious, how do you start a wood working shop? I would love to make frames for my canvasses. Who knows if I’ll be alive in 2 or 4 years.... I hope I’ll be.

ME too....I would love to do that to!!!. I can't start a group, which could well be held in a regular art room, because I don't know how to do it.

[Bogie Shooter]

ME too....I would love to do that to!!!. I can't start a group, which could well be held in a regular art room, because I don't know how to do it.

Learn how, see post #8.:)

[Villageswimmer]

Let me lead with this. We have been here (off and on) for about 4 years. We love it here and stay active.

Having said that and after reading the post about some clubs restricted by numbers or demographics let me relate our experience in an attempt at full disclosure for anyone looking to move here.

My wife is a very experienced glass artist. She taught stained glass classes at our old home. She tried to join 2 fused glass clubs. We have now been on the "waiting list" for 3 years and the phone has not rung.

I inquired about the woodworking club/shop and was told (with a condescending look) the waiting list was about 2 years long but "sure, go ahead and put your name on the list".

My wife recently tried to join another club and was told it is closed to new members.

The country club pools, etc. require and extra fee.

On the brighter side we play pickleball daily and have been welcomed. We joined a mahjong group and were taught and welcomed. Our neighborhood association have included us and encourage participation. I have been asked to join a couple of golf groups. We stay as active as we want to be.

Just know that while all the activities are "available" many may not be available to YOU and it will get worse as the villages continues its explosive growth.


You explained your experience in a factual way, and you are 100% correct. You can’t just walk in and start your own glass fusion class. I happen to know that the wait lists are about 3 years for this class. Space in the kilns and art rooms is very limited.

I often hear sales people imply that everything is available to everyone whenever you want it. This is simply not true. In their defense, they may not even be aware of limitations that exist with certain groups/clubs.

So your point is well taken. It’s annoying how several posters piled on at your criticism balanced as it was.

And you’re correct, people considering moving here deserve full disclosure.

[JoMar]

Clubs need volunteers to head them up. Waiting lists will continue to be long if no one is willing to step up.

I agree, facilities are available just don't have enough volunteers to run them. Hopefully they may find more with the new folks below 44 but not sure if that will help those north.

[graciegirl]

You explained your experience in a factual way, and you are 100% correct. You can’t just walk in and start your own glass fusion class. I happen to know that the wait lists are about 3 years for this class. Space in the kilns and art rooms is very limited.

I often hear sales people imply that everything is available to everyone whenever you want it. This is simply not true. In their defense, they may not even be aware of limitations that exist with certain groups/clubs.

So your point is well taken. It’s annoying how several posters piled on at your criticism balanced as it was.

And you’re correct, people considering moving here deserve full disclosure.

I feel qualified to answer this because I use the art room at Laurel Manor on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday every week. Each of the classes are not even half full even during high season. The only class with a waiting list is pottery because it requires pre-instruction on use of equipment and techniques. I think that there is more use in the newer areas because everyone wants to try everything, but if you are willing to go to other rec centers there is space.

[vintageogauge]

I read that they are building another wood working shop to keep up with the demand. I can't remember where but it is north of 44 and maybe that is why they are giving the training now.

[Villageswimmer]

I feel qualified to answer this because I use the art room at Laurel Manor on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday every week. Each of the classes are not even half full even during high season. The only class with a waiting list is pottery because it requires pre-instruction on use of equipment and techniques. I think that there is more use in the newer areas because everyone wants to try everything, but if you are willing to go to other rec centers there is space.


So, are you saying there’s no waiting list for the classes that require kilns, potter wheels, etc. at Laurel Manor? I feel qualified in saying that is not correct, and I would encourage the OP to call Laurel Manor and inquire. I hope I’m wrong so she can participate immediately as she hoped.

[Marathon Man]

I read that they are building another wood working shop to keep up with the demand. I can't remember where but it is north of 44 and maybe that is why they are giving the training now.

Across from Eisenhower Rec Center near the fire station.

[CFrance]

So, are you saying there’s no waiting list for the classes that require kilns, potter wheels, etc. at Laurel Manor? I feel qualified in saying that is not correct, and I would encourage the OP to call Laurel Manor and inquire. I hope I’m wrong so she can participate immediately as she hoped.
No, I think she said just the opposite, that the only classes with waiting list are the ones requiring special equipment. She didn't say what classes she is taking. I would guess art classes, judging by one very fine picture I have of a certain dog.

[pklein9747]

There are many glass fusion clubs here in The Villages...I know they are at Rohan, Eisenhower, SeaBreeze, Colony and I'm sure at others North of 466. There will most likely be one at Everglades once it is open and if someone volunteers to run it. You must put your name in for every club (most rec centers have two at each). I know people who have only waited a few months to get in. If you limit yourself to only the rec center(s) that are close to you, it may take a while.

[Two Bills]

So, are you saying there’s no waiting list for the classes that require kilns, potter wheels, etc. at Laurel Manor? I feel qualified in saying that is not correct, and I would encourage the OP to call Laurel Manor and inquire. I hope I’m wrong so she can participate immediately as she hoped.

Don't think the lady said that at all.

Quote 1.
I feel qualified to answer this because I use the art room at Laurel Manor on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday every week. Each of the classes are not even half full even during high season.

Quote 2.
The only class with a waiting list is pottery because it requires pre-instruction on use of equipment and techniques.

Hope that helps.

[npwalters]

The point I am making in my original post is this: Not all the activities that are advertised are actually available to everyone that wants to participate. At least not without a significant wait. Some recreation venues such as using the pool or tennis courts at some of the country clubs require an additional fee. I did not know this when I bought my home.

I cant imagine that will get better in the near term since TV is adding residents at a frantic pace. Yes, I know they are adding facilities but (in my opinion) the increase in population has for several years outpaced the community built facilities.

The examples are my personal experience to help make the point and are not embellished. I don't need help to join any of the clubs since we have been around long enough to figure out what is required. We use a commercial fused glass studio that is worth the small cost. Some of you can point to different experience. Sometimes it depends on who you know.

The bottom line is prospective residents should be aware that there are limitations and delays to the promised lifestyle.

[joseppe]

There is also a level of misconception about clubs and activities as well as many being too crowded to be enjoyable. Freshwater fishing club 'closed membership' because it could not get a meeting room large enough to fit all the current members. Sure you could start your own club, but most of us don't want the burden of what it takes to start and maintain a club. Its no easy task to start a new club in the Villages (or anywhere else for that matter). Town Squares with events and entertainment, BUT you'd better be ready to spend an hour finding somewhere to park and then walk 2 miles to get there and endure wall to wall people. I think the OP was just trying to make the point that things are not always as they seem and you may not really get what you expected out of the Villages. I've been here about a year and a half and must say I've had many disappointments in some of the clubs and activities. BUT for all those disappointments I've found many other great things that were not anticipated and very enjoyable for me. One example can be seen in the virtually free executive golf. I came here expecting it to be mediocre courses with not well kept facilities, but the courses, upkeep and facilities are top notch, BUT you've got to play in a crowded conditions with many who are new to the game and lack knowledge of etiquette and courtesy on the courses. My first impressions of the Villages facilities with its abundance of Rec centers, golf courses, pickleball courts and everything else seemed like a virtual paradise for enjoyment of all these activities, BUT add the 120,000 people who are all partaking of the activities and the crowded conditions detract from the enjoyment for me.

My overall point is that I can easily see how initial perception of the Villages Clubs and Recreation can differ from the reality of living here. I think the Villages is a great place to live, but it is different than I originally perceived.

[Love2Swim]

Let me lead with this. We have been here (off and on) for about 4 years. We love it here and stay active.

Having said that and after reading the post about some clubs restricted by numbers or demographics let me relate our experience in an attempt at full disclosure for anyone looking to move here.

My wife is a very experienced glass artist. She taught stained glass classes at our old home. She tried to join 2 fused glass clubs. We have now been on the "waiting list" for 3 years and the phone has not rung.

I inquired about the woodworking club/shop and was told (with a condescending look) the waiting list was about 2 years long but "sure, go ahead and put your name on the list".

My wife recently tried to join another club and was told it is closed to new members.

The country club pools, etc. require and extra fee.

On the brighter side we play pickleball daily and have been welcomed. We joined a mahjong group and were taught and welcomed. Our neighborhood association have included us and encourage participation. I have been asked to join a couple of golf groups. We stay as active as we want to be.

Just know that while all the activities are "available" many may not be available to YOU and it will get worse as the villages continues its explosive growth.

Let me add to that - there are groups such as Zumba at the rec centers that are so crowded in the winter, that you have to get there almost an hour early if you want to get a spot. So all the available activities are not really "that" available.

[Papa]

To some extent, I agree with the OP.
Everyone should be able to utilize any of The Villages facilities, and not be expected to wait years for an opening.
I can only imagine if the golf course facilities operated this way. The Tee time system takes care of that nicely. It evens the "playing field", and gives everyone an equal chance to enjoy the amenity.
Perhaps, a Woodworking, or Kiln, "Tee time system" would benefit all of us.

[graciegirl]

To some extent, I agree with the OP.
Everyone should be able to utilize any of The Villages facilities, and not be expected to wait years for an opening.
I can only imagine if the golf course facilities operated this way. The Tee time system takes care of that nicely. It evens the "playing field", and gives everyone an equal chance to enjoy the amenity.
Perhaps, a Woodworking, or Kiln, "Tee time system" would benefit all of us.

AND by the same criteria, you may have to broaden your field. If you live below 466A you may have to go north of 466 to find space in an activity.

When we are flooded with all of the people who have every right to be here during the encroaching "high season" you will find many classes full and may have to get there WAAAY early if you want to attend.

The developer provides the space and Villagers volunteer to take responsibility for the room. If you do not see the activity you want to happen, then you may be the very answer yourself. Volunteer before you complain. Broaden your field and be slightly inconvenienced to get what you want.

[Papa]

AND by the same criteria, you may have to broaden your field. If you live below 466A you may have to go north of 466 to find space in an activity.

When we are flooded with all of the people who have every right to be here during the encroaching "high season" you will find many classes full and may have to get there WAAAY early if you want to attend.

The developer provides the space and Villagers volunteer to take responsibility for the room. If you do not see the activity you want to happen, then you may be the very answer yourself. Volunteer before you complain. Broaden your field and be slightly inconvenienced to get what you want.

You missed my point.

[npwalters]

Recently a friend of mine told me he and his wife were considering moving to TV and asked my opinion. My response (synopsis) was we love it here, however, I recommend you come in the high season and try to do the activities advertised. Don't automatically discount the other over 55 communities. Then decide if it is for you.

The two rationalizations I hear for overcrowding 1) snowbirds pay the bills and 2) if you want a club then start one yourself. Neither of these arguments resonate with me for these reasons 1) I for one would rather pay a little more and enjoy my time during the high season. I also believe that a significant percentage of the crowds is due to the huge growth that has and is occurring without a corresponding increase in facilities. There is only one Sharon, Savannah Center, Katie Belles, etc and the are MANY more people trying to use them. 2) new and existing residents have a right to expect the clubs advertised without becoming the driving force behind them.

[graciegirl]

Recently a friend of mine told me he and his wife were considering moving to TV and asked my opinion. My response (synopsis) was we love it here, however, I recommend you come in the high season and try to do the activities advertised. Don't automatically discount the other over 55 communities. Then decide if it is for you.

The two rationalizations I hear for overcrowding 1) snowbirds pay the bills and 2) if you want a club then start one yourself. Neither of these arguments resonate with me for these reasons 1) I for one would rather pay a little more and enjoy my time during the high season. I also believe that a significant percentage of the crowds is due to the huge growth that has and is occurring without a corresponding increase in facilities. There is only one Sharon, Savannah Center, Katie Belles, etc and the are MANY more people trying to use them. 2) new and existing residents have a right to expect the clubs advertised without becoming the driving force behind them.

The clubs and activities have always been led by volunteers. Nothing has changed. Why should anyone expect anything different. If you want to see something done, than do it. If you want to do an activity you may have to drive a little further during high season. People in the older areas do not participate in activities in rec centers as much as those who are newer. I am so grateful to the volunteers who take responsibility for the room, guide or teach the class or just use the room with us, as is true with most art activities.

I have been the person that began things in the past, chaired them, organized them and sometimes directed them. I am so grateful for those who do it here. In many activities the leaders have done it for years. The "followers" try to show appreciation in every way we can. I would quickly volunteer to do it now but I am not "toting and carrying" like I used to. And thankfully there is no need. I really don't want to do pottery that much to take the required class. I am happy with going to Laurel Manor four days a week and Helene and I enjoying all four groups which are; One Step Painting on Tuesdays at one, Painting Pals on Wednesdays at ten, Craft Class on Thursdays at nine, Live model Figure painting on Fridays at Pimlico at nine-thirty and Ceramics back at Laurel Manor on Saturday at eleven. Sometimes we attend the art class on Mondays at Saddlebrook, or the Saturday Art Class at Saddlebrook that is always VERY popular.

[npwalters]

The clubs and activities have always been led by volunteers. Nothing has changed. Why should anyone expect anything different. If you want to see something done, than do it.

groan

[thelegges]

We have been on 4 wait list for clubs, over 2 years. Then someone got tired of waiting and started a new club, problem solved. Now all four clubs on at wait list. So time for someone to step up and start new clubs

[eyc234]

Part of this could also be the when you want to do something. People complain about crowding but the better half and I go to rec centers at 4 or 5PM and there are many that are ghost towns, pickleball courts are wide open for us. Oh man did I just put this out on the inter web, now our secret is out! Dohhh!

[stan the man]

I feel qualified to answer this because I use the art room at Laurel Manor on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday every week. Each of the classes are not even half full even during high season. The only class with a waiting list is pottery because it requires pre-instruction on use of equipment and techniques. I think that there is more use in the newer areas because everyone wants to try everything, but if you are willing to go to other rec centers there is space.

So are you going to start a new club?????

[Topspinmo]

This is not necessarily true as new clubs and activities will be started.

And you know this? Or is it you’re opinion man!:1rotfl:

[Bogie Shooter]

And you know this? Or is it you’re opinion man!:1rotfl:

You post your opinion all the time so it’s my turn.
Btw how new clubs have started since you came to the villages? I have seen a lot since 2002....

[Love2Swim]

People rave about the Villages and all the activities. But I suspect many new owners and potential buyers don't realize it is all volunteer driven. Sadly, not everyone has the health, the skills or inclination to start and run new clubs, so the availability for activities in the high season isn't going to be as great. Personally I'm not going to wait an hour to get into a one hour zumba class, so I find other things to do or else go outside The Villages.

[graciegirl]

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[Velvet]

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[graciegirl]

No. Not at all Velvet.

[Velvet]

I’ll claim to be “an abstract” artist ;)