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Traditionally free Villages tree lightings introducing pay-to-view seating

The concept of selling specialized treatment at holiday events first surfaced this past July 4 at Brownwood. The tree-lighting shows are following that model, with tickets offered for $50 per person, $80 per couple and $225 for a table for six. Those purchasing the “VIP Experience” are being promised two free drink tickets, appetizers provided by a yet-unnamed vendor and access to a VIP tent and cash bar, as well as reserved seating and “direct access into the square.”

[SKIMAN]

I think it's B/s..

[billethkid]

No. Will become a Pandora's Box!!!
Maintain first come first served.

How is this proposal any different than saving seats on the square? It isn't!!!
I agree with first reply:

BS!

[NotGolfer]

We went once, the 1st Season we lived here, 10 yrs ago...and it wasn't all that great. Chairs were all full except for a few behind the gazebo and you couldn't see anything. It was crowded then and I'm sure it's even more so now-days. We now avoid the squares for that reason. I'm sure the powers that be have their reasons for the VIP tent etc.

[CWGUY]

No. Will become a Pandora's Box!!!
Maintain first come first served.

How is this proposal any different than saving seats on the square? It isn't!!!
I agree with first reply:

BS!

:icon_wink: That's an easy one...... it's their seats not yours! They can save seats and you can't. You can still go. There is still a free option (paid for by selling seats) for others. Takes a crane, 2 trucks, 5-6 guys, and 2 nights to set up and decorate the tree. Wonder how much that costs...... nobody posts asking that! Thank you Entertainment Dept. :ho:

[dewilson58]

Traditionally free Villages tree lightings introducing pay-to-view seating






I don't feel we are entitled to free.


Seating, drinks, food and donations to charities for a fee. Does not get my neck hair up.




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[champion6]

We went once, the 1st Season we lived here, 10 yrs ago...and it wasn't all that great. Chairs were all full except for a few behind the gazebo and you couldn't see anything. It was crowded then and I'm sure it's even more so now-days. We now avoid the squares for that reason. I'm sure the powers that be have their reasons for the VIP tent etc.
:agree:

[graciegirl]

We went once, the 1st Season we lived here, 10 yrs ago...and it wasn't all that great. Chairs were all full except for a few behind the gazebo and you couldn't see anything. It was crowded then and I'm sure it's even more so now-days. We now avoid the squares for that reason. I'm sure the powers that be have their reasons for the VIP tent etc.

I agree. It is run by the entertainment company that is no longer owned by The Villages and represents the merchants on the square.

[billethkid]

For me it is all about fixing something that isn't broken.

I would hate to see the Tree lighting festivities get cancelled because of possible complaining of a few...it could happen....like the New Years celebrations on the squares were eliminated years ago.

[bilcon]

Who cares anymore. There seemed to be more non-residents in the squares lately anyway. I never liked waiting in lines, and now I don't have to.
I can go down the next day and see the tree lit up.


"I never made a mistake in my life. I thought I did once, but I was wrong".

[Marathon Man]

He who writes the check, makes the rules. Free entertainment is not free to provide. I have no problem with trying to recover some of the cost with this OPTIONAL experience. After all, we don't want to lose something because the cost is getting too high to provide it.

[Tom C]

Hey - an alternate idea. NEIGHBORHOOD TREE LIGHTING WALK :coolsmiley:

Organize your close neighbors, have everyone ready on the selected date and then do an evening walk-around to see each home’s decorations (insides or out) ... maybe even have some light drinks (:popcorn: :beer3: hot toddy?) along the way to keep everyone warm. Do it local and keep it simple and enjoyable!!

[Ben Franklin]

I'll watch the live stream on my computer. I'm not going to support merchants AND pay to see it.

[Chi-Town]

Went to the tree lighting ceremony when we first moved here. It was cold and crowded but was used to that moving from the Chicago area. After the countdown the lights went on and.....meh. Dull lighting at best. They seem to have gotten a little brighter over the years but not worth paying for. I didn't expect the Rockefelker Center, but that was not what I expected. I'll pass.

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[Kerry Azz]

:icon_wink: That's an easy one...... it's their seats not yours! They can save seats and you can't. You can still go. There is still a free option (paid for by selling seats) for others. Takes a crane, 2 trucks, 5-6 guys, and 2 nights to set up and decorate the tree. Wonder how much that costs...... nobody posts asking that! Thank you Entertainment Dept. :ho:
Isn’t that why we pay an amenity fee? And don’t they make money when they have a big event! It cost the towns and cities a lot more to set up these events and I’ve yet to see them charge to attend. Personally I think the Entertainment Department has made ridiculous changes over the past few years and each one of those changes unfortunately shows their concern to increase revenue.

[tophcfa]

This would not have happened if Harold Schwartz or Gary Morse were running the show. Times they are a changing. Some think the changes are good, others not so much.

[njbchbum]

Isn’t that why we pay an amenity fee? And don’t they make money when they have a big event! It cost the towns and cities a lot more to set up these events and I’ve yet to see them charge to attend. Personally I think the Entertainment Department has made ridiculous changes over the past few years and each one of those changes unfortunately shows their concern to increase revenue.

No, Kerry, that is not what an amenity fee pays for. The businesses around the squares pay for the entertainment - an incentive to get you to go there and spend your money. Sumter County does award a small tourism grant to support the functions at Lake Sumter and Brownwood squares - and that $ comes from a County hotel/rental tax not property taxes. The Entertainment Dept that produces many of the events on the squares is no longer a function of the Villages - it was spun off an sold some time ago. Hope that helps your understanding a bit better.

[njbchbum]

This would not have happened if Harold Schwartz or Gary Morse were running the show. Times they are a changing. Some think the changes are good, others not so much.


LOL How is it that you know that? DO you commune with them in order to know what they are thinking these days? LOL I must be watching too much Long Island Medium! lolololololol

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

:icon_wink: That's an easy one...... it's their seats not yours! They can save seats and you can't. You can still go. There is still a free option (paid for by selling seats) for others. Takes a crane, 2 trucks, 5-6 guys, and 2 nights to set up and decorate the tree. Wonder how much that costs...... nobody posts asking that! Thank you Entertainment Dept. :ho:

Minor correction - the free option isn't paid for by selling seats. It's paid for by the county, eg. your tax dollars if you live in that county. It's part of their tourism budget.

My opinion on the subject:

As long as it's a very small square-footage they reserve for the pay option, and that area is not blocking the view of everyone else, I don't think it's a big deal. The square is still accessible to the public at no charge. The people paying are getting something no one ever gets anyway. It's one of those "value added" pay-for-perks, like paying a trail fee for the "free" executive golf courses we get as residents. They're free - but using the golf carts on the paths cost extra.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'll watch the live stream on my computer. I'm not going to support merchants AND pay to see it.

You don't have to pay to see it. You have to pay if you want a reserved table, appetizers, and a couple of drinks. You can still see it there free, as you always have.

[vintageogauge]

I don't see the problem. I someone is willing to pay for a seat on a side street with a private bar, good for him. I went to a Brownwood tree lighting and had to park in The Villages Health Specialist parking lot. It was so crowded we walked around the square, walked back to the car, and went home. Never again. We now enjoy driving around the neighborhoods down here to see the lights homeowners put up and there are some great displays. I don't know where they keep all that stuff after Christmas.

[Ronnie61]

I like this option. Do you know why? Because I’m sick and tired of showing up two hours early to events to save chairs. It becomes a competition of who can get there the earliest and has the most patience to sit around for hours on end ....it happens at Pools when you’re on vacation ....it happens at fireworks......and I’m tired of it ......hubby and i show up and find one person saving 10 of the best seats while 9 people sat home....... we should outlaw saving seats. If you’re not there you don’t get your seat! done ! then maybe we wouldn’t have to pay for things

[Chi-Town]

Went to the tree lighting ceremony when we first moved here. It was cold and crowded but was used to that moving from the Chicago area. After the countdown the lights went on and.....meh. Dull lighting at best. They seem to have gotten a little brighter over the years but not worth paying for. I didn't expect the Rockefeller Center, but that was not what I expected. I'll pass.

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[dewilson58]

Minor correction - the free option isn't paid for by selling seats. It's paid for by the county, eg. your tax dollars if you live in that county. It's part of their tourism budget.

My opinion on the subject:

As long as it's a very small square-footage they reserve for the pay option, and that area is not blocking the view of everyone else, I don't think it's a big deal. The square is still accessible to the public at no charge. The people paying are getting something no one ever gets anyway. It's one of those "value added" pay-for-perks, like paying a trail fee for the "free" executive golf courses we get as residents. They're free - but using the golf carts on the paths cost extra.


Correction - it's partially paid for by the county.

[CWGUY]

Minor correction - the free option isn't paid for by selling seats. It's paid for by the county, eg. your tax dollars if you live in that county. It's part of their tourism budget.

My opinion on the subject:

As long as it's a very small square-footage they reserve for the pay option, and that area is not blocking the view of everyone else, I don't think it's a big deal. The square is still accessible to the public at no charge. The people paying are getting something no one ever gets anyway. It's one of those "value added" pay-for-perks, like paying a trail fee for the "free" executive golf courses we get as residents. They're free - but using the golf carts on the paths cost extra.

:shrug: I don't profess to be the expert some seem to think they are but..... I believe it is money collected from a tourism tax collected. Please let me know if I am wrong. :rolleyes:

[Velvet]

I’m with Ben, if it means crowds, you can count me out free or otherwise.

[pauld315]

:shrug: I don't profess to be the expert some seem to think they are but..... I believe it is money collected from a tourism tax collected. Please let me know if I am wrong. :rolleyes:

You are partially right. The counties do provide a stipend each year for the entertainment in the squares but it doesn't cover the cost. I think the majority of the money comes from the businesses at the squares. None of this is paid for by amenity fees.

[CWGUY]

You are partially right. The counties do provide a stipend each year for the entertainment in the squares but it doesn't cover the cost. I think the majority of the money comes from the businesses at the squares. None of this is paid for by amenity fees.

Thanks. I knew that. What I was trying to point out was the tax money was not PROPERTY TAX money but Tourism Tax money. I didn't say it well. Thanks again :ho:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I stand corrected! Partially funded by county tax. Partially funded by tourism tax. Partially funded by - maybe other things?

As for the seat-savers, I've noticed this on normal evenings not just holidays (I've been down here during a few of them even though I just moved in for good).

The last time, I feel, is going to be the last time. From now on if someone says "these seats are for people who are expected" I'll tell them "great. When they come, I'll vacate." And park my young-senior butt in the chair.

[CWGUY]

I stand corrected! Partially funded by county tax. Partially funded by tourism tax. Partially funded by - maybe other things?

As for the seat-savers, I've noticed this on normal evenings not just holidays (I've been down here during a few of them even though I just moved in for good).

The last time, I feel, is going to be the last time. From now on if someone says "these seats are for people who are expected" I'll tell them "great. When they come, I'll vacate." And park my young-senior butt in the chair.

:shrug: They make a public announcement before each entertainment set starts. Seat saving is allowed if one of your group stays with the saved seats. Or something like that. No seats tied together with string, rope, tape etc. or leaving seat cushions on them and leaving. You may want to check the rules first. :ho:

[Bogie Shooter]

I stand corrected! Partially funded by county tax. Partially funded by tourism tax. Partially funded by - maybe other things?

As for the seat-savers, I've noticed this on normal evenings not just holidays (I've been down here during a few of them even though I just moved in for good).

The last time, I feel, is going to be the last time. From now on if someone says "these seats are for people who are expected" I'll tell them "great. When they come, I'll vacate." And park my young-senior butt in the chair.

Having just moved in for good, doesn't give you the right to change rules as you go...…..

From the District Website:

Personal Chairs at Downtown Squares
Personal folding chairs are allowed to be brought to events. The setting up and leaving of chairs prior to 3:00 p.m. is prohibited. Any chairs set up and left on the square prior to 3:00 p.m. will be removed by District Property Management. Our efforts are to manage and maintain a safe environment for visitors, staff and contractors at the squares. We appreciate your attention and support of this matter which will allow our Squares to continue to meet our high community standards.

Further....
From the other news site;
With the return of snowbirds and the approaching of the extremely popular Christmas tree-lighting events nearing, the District Office issued a reminder last week:
While personal folding chairs are allowed at events on the squares, the setting up and leaving of chairs prior to 3 p.m. is prohibited. If you are using the chairs provided, seat saving is not permitted prior to the beginning of entertainment, unless a member of your party remains with your seats. Do not block walkways and be courteous towards others to ensure safe passage by all.

Further....
A few years ago two people were arrested for basically doing, what you are saying you will do.

[champion6]

I stand corrected! Partially funded by county tax. Partially funded by tourism tax. Partially funded by - maybe other things?

As for the seat-savers, I've noticed this on normal evenings not just holidays (I've been down here during a few of them even though I just moved in for good).

The last time, I feel, is going to be the last time. From now on if someone says "these seats are for people who are expected" I'll tell them "great. When they come, I'll vacate." And park my young-senior butt in the chair.

They make a public announcement before each entertainment set starts. Seat saving is allowed if one of your group stays with the saved seats. Or something like that. No seats tied together with string, rope, tape etc. or leaving seat cushions on them and leaving. You may want to check the rules first.From districtgov.org:
"Personal folding chairs are allowed to be brought to events. The setting up and leaving of chairs prior to 3:00 p.m. is prohibited. Any chairs set up and left on the square prior to 3:00 p.m. will be removed by District Property Management. Our efforts are to manage and maintain a safe environment for visitors, staff and contractors at the squares. We appreciate your attention and support of this matter which will allow our Squares to continue to meet our high community standards."

[John_W]

This VIP Tent setup has already been done, did anyone who went to the last 4th of July ceremonies at Brownwood have a problem with the VIP Tent? Here it is, this is what all the hoopla is about, a small little tent stuck back between the bleachers. The only advantage I can see is you can get drinks quickly from your own tent bar and not have to wait in the big lines in back by the beer stands. If that's worth $50, then you have that option. It seems like people want to make a big deal out of nothing.

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[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I'm not changing the rules. I'm honoring them. I'll sit down, and as soon as the people they're saving the seats for show up, I'll yield them back. If they're not already there (dancing, going to the bathroom, getting a drink, etc) then those seats are unoccupied, whether they're saved or not. Three nights ago a lady claimed to be saving SEVEN chairs for people who hadn't shown up yet. She was by herself. Sorry but that just doesn't fly with me. Those people can have the chairs when they get there because they've been "saved" by that lady. Those people won't need them until then.

[Bogie Shooter]

I'm not changing the rules. I'm honoring them. I'll sit down, and as soon as the people they're saving the seats for show up, I'll yield them back. If they're not already there (dancing, going to the bathroom, getting a drink, etc) then those seats are unoccupied, whether they're saved or not. Three nights ago a lady claimed to be saving SEVEN chairs for people who hadn't shown up yet. She was by herself. Sorry but that just doesn't fly with me. Those people can have the chairs when they get there because they've been "saved" by that lady. Those people won't need them until then.

Good Luck with your plan. Others ended up with hours of community service and probation. I realize you are different.

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

The last time, I feel, is going to be the last time. From now on if someone says "these seats are for people who are expected" I'll tell them "great. When they come, I'll vacate." And park my young-senior butt in the chair.

I see nothing wrong with this. There are times saved seats remain empty until later in the evening. I've seen saved seats empty until after 8:00pm. What is wrong with utilizing those seats as long as you assure the person saving the seats that you will vacate the seats as soon as someone shows up for them?

[CWGUY]

What can possibly be wrong with sitting is a seat that is empty? Isn't it OK to assure the person who is saving the seats that you will vacate the seat as soon as the person arrives? There are times that seats remain empty until later in the evening when those seats could have been utilized. Doesn't make any sense to me that someone could be arrested for sitting in a "saved" seat.

:shrug: :boxing2: :police: :a20:

[coffeebean]

Good Luck with your plan. Others ended up with hours of community service and probation. I realize you are different.

Seriously???? That makes absolutely no sense.

[retiredguy123]

I don't care what rules they have. I like rules. But, if you have a rule, it should be enforced, so everyone is treated equally.

[champion6]

I'm not changing the rules. I'm honoring them. I'll sit down, and as soon as the people they're saving the seats for show up, I'll yield them back. If they're not already there (dancing, going to the bathroom, getting a drink, etc) then those seats are unoccupied, whether they're saved or not. Three nights ago a lady claimed to be saving SEVEN chairs for people who hadn't shown up yet. She was by herself. Sorry but that just doesn't fly with me. Those people can have the chairs when they get there because they've been "saved" by that lady. Those people won't need them until then.What can possibly be wrong with sitting is a seat that is empty? Isn't it OK to assure the person who is saving the seats that you will vacate the seat as soon as the person arrives? There are times that seats remain empty until later in the evening when those seats could have been utilized. Doesn't make any sense to me that someone could be arrested for sitting in a "saved" seat..Two examples of what can go wrong.
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From the online news:
June 2, 2016

A Village of Hillsborough man was arrested after a fight with a 72-year-old woman over a seat Wednesday night at Spanish Springs Town Square.

Bruce Raymond Benard of 3525 Nance Run is facing a charge of battery after he allegedly grabbed the woman’s wrist “very hard” and stomped on her left foot two times in an attempt to remove her from a chair, according to a report from the Lady Lake Police Department.

The woman told police she was at town square and observed some empty seating, so she took a seat. Bruce Benard confronted her about sitting in seats he had reserved for his friends and family and threatened to throw her off the chair if she did not move, the report indicated.

The woman said she told Benard she would move in a minute and that’s when the attack began, the report said.

The woman told police she felt like his arms were ready to come down on her.

When police interviewed Benard he said, “she should have moved and I have a right to stand up for myself and stand my ground.” He admitted to grabbing the woman.

Two witnesses confirmed the woman’s version of events.

Benard was booked at the Lake County Jail. He was released after posting $1,000 bond.
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Another from the online news:
May 24, 2016

Rocky and the Rollers remain one of the most popular acts in The Villages.

On Monday night, the popular band brought in a big crowd at Spanish Springs Town Square.

But there is a price to be paid for popularity.

Before noon Monday there was plenty of evidence of seat saving at the square. Numerous green chairs were adorned with towels, cushions, ribbons and even yellow crime scene tape hours before Rocky and his fellow musicians stepped on stage at the Gazebo.

Officially, “saving” seats at the squares is prohibited in The Villages.

Saving seats at the square twice ended in arrest this past summer.

A 65-year-old Water Oak resident on Sept. 9 was accused of pushing a 77-year-old Villager who dared to sit in a seat “saved” by the Water Oaker at Spanish Springs Town Square.

When the Villager attempted to sit in one of the “saved” seats, Gary Lee Herzhaft informed the Villager that the chair was “taken.” When the Villager ignored him, Herzhaft “jumped up and pushed (the man) back and jammed his fingers into the upper chest area,” of the Villager, according to an incident report from the Lady Lake Police Department.

Herzhaft told police that the “chairs were taken,” but denied pushing or poking The Villager.

Herzhaft is now serving a year’s probation as a result of that incident. He was also ordered to undergo anger management training.

A 70-year-old Village of Santo Domingo man paid a nearly $300 fine in Lake County Court after pleading no contest to charges of disorderly conduct and resisting a police officer. He had been arrested June 26 after he allegedly punched a man and insulted a supporter of the LGBT community who he accused of taking his seat near the gazebo at the square.
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[CWGUY]

Seriously???? That makes absolutely no sense.

:ohdear: Unfortunately it's true! You have never heard of a fight on a Square over seat saving? And I'm afraid more than one too! That's what happens when people say things like "I don't care what rules they have." and "I'll vacate when they show up." :icon_wink:

[Velvet]

Perhaps there should be a rule on how many seats you can save? Or maybe there is one already?

[CWGUY]

Perhaps there should be a rule on how many seats you can save? Or maybe there is one already?

Pick a number from 1 to 500......:1rotfl:

[Number 10 GI]

Two examples of what can go wrong.
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From the online news:
June 2, 2016

A Village of Hillsborough man was arrested after a fight with a 72-year-old woman over a seat Wednesday night at Spanish Springs Town Square.

Bruce Raymond Benard of 3525 Nance Run is facing a charge of battery after he allegedly grabbed the woman’s wrist “very hard” and stomped on her left foot two times in an attempt to remove her from a chair, according to a report from the Lady Lake Police Department.

The woman told police she was at town square and observed some empty seating, so she took a seat. Bruce Benard confronted her about sitting in seats he had reserved for his friends and family and threatened to throw her off the chair if she did not move, the report indicated.

The woman said she told Benard she would move in a minute and that’s when the attack began, the report said.

The woman told police she felt like his arms were ready to come down on her.

When police interviewed Benard he said, “she should have moved and I have a right to stand up for myself and stand my ground.” He admitted to grabbing the woman.

Two witnesses confirmed the woman’s version of events.

Benard was booked at the Lake County Jail. He was released after posting $1,000 bond.
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Another from the online news:
May 24, 2016

Rocky and the Rollers remain one of the most popular acts in The Villages.

On Monday night, the popular band brought in a big crowd at Spanish Springs Town Square.

But there is a price to be paid for popularity.

Before noon Monday there was plenty of evidence of seat saving at the square. Numerous green chairs were adorned with towels, cushions, ribbons and even yellow crime scene tape hours before Rocky and his fellow musicians stepped on stage at the Gazebo.

Officially, “saving” seats at the squares is prohibited in The Villages.

Saving seats at the square twice ended in arrest this past summer.

A 65-year-old Water Oak resident on Sept. 9 was accused of pushing a 77-year-old Villager who dared to sit in a seat “saved” by the Water Oaker at Spanish Springs Town Square.

When the Villager attempted to sit in one of the “saved” seats, Gary Lee Herzhaft informed the Villager that the chair was “taken.” When the Villager ignored him, Herzhaft “jumped up and pushed (the man) back and jammed his fingers into the upper chest area,” of the Villager, according to an incident report from the Lady Lake Police Department.

Herzhaft told police that the “chairs were taken,” but denied pushing or poking The Villager.

Herzhaft is now serving a year’s probation as a result of that incident. He was also ordered to undergo anger management training.

A 70-year-old Village of Santo Domingo man paid a nearly $300 fine in Lake County Court after pleading no contest to charges of disorderly conduct and resisting a police officer. He had been arrested June 26 after he allegedly punched a man and insulted a supporter of the LGBT community who he accused of taking his seat near the gazebo at the square.
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My take on this is that the person wasn't arrested for setting in a seat that someone was holding for other people, they were arrested for assault. Cite me the ordnance, law, code or whatever that says you can be arrested for setting in a chair that someone is holding for another person.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Good Luck with your plan. Others ended up with hours of community service and probation. I realize you are different.

The only people who ended up with community service and probation were the people who committed assault against other people who were sitting down.

I've seen no incident report, news article, or op-ed about anyone who was given probation or community service for sitting in a vacant seat, whether "saved" or otherwise.

[Marathon Man]

I stand corrected! Partially funded by county tax. Partially funded by tourism tax. Partially funded by - maybe other things?

As for the seat-savers, I've noticed this on normal evenings not just holidays (I've been down here during a few of them even though I just moved in for good).

The last time, I feel, is going to be the last time. From now on if someone says "these seats are for people who are expected" I'll tell them "great. When they come, I'll vacate." And park my young-senior butt in the chair.

Not corrected yet. Not sure why you insist that county taxes are going into this. Tourism tax, yes. But we don't pay that, tourists do.

[Moderator]

The topic is special VIP tickets for the Christmas tree lighting. It is not about seat saving. Please stay on topic.

Moderator

[tophcfa]

This would not have happened if Harold Schwartz or Gary Morse were running the show. Times they are a changing. Some think the changes are good, others not so much.

LOL How is it that you know that? DO you commune with them in order to know what they are thinking these days? LOL I must be watching too much Long Island Medium! lolololololol

Not sure what Long Island Medium is and never watched it, but I do closely observe what is going on in the Villages. Simple observation over time spent in the Villages backs up that this never happened under the watch of Harold and Gary, but it is now. Perhaps more time should be spent observing what is going on in your home town then on watching Long Island Medium?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Not corrected yet. Not sure why you insist that county taxes are going into this. Tourism tax, yes. But we don't pay that, tourists do.

Not sure why your response seems to confrontational. i don't "insist" anything. Are you insisting that only tourists pay the tourist tax? Because you'd be incorrect about that as well.

Here's the actual text of the tax code:

Tourist Development Tax Revenues are generated by overnight guests staying in Sumter County RV parks / campgrounds, hotels, motels and condominiums. As a rule, any short-term lodging of 6 months or less is subject to the 2% tax in additions to Sumter County's sales tax. Collections are received through the Florida Department of Revenue and returned to the County on a monthly basis for the County's use. Sumter County places this revenue in a special revenue fund - Tourist Development Fund.

So, not just tourists. Snowbirds renting for fewer than 6 months are supposed to be paying that too. It was my mistake to think that the county's sales tax also contributed to the entertainment (tourism) fund. It's your mistake to think that only tourists pay for it, AND it's your mistake to think that the tourism tax is not a county tax. It absolutely is a county tax. It's just not the county tax I thought it was.

[Yung Dum]

These trees are all boring and colorless. Not much to get into the spirit of Christmas and certainly not worth going to see those dull white lights go on and pretend it's beautiful. And to pay for it? Out of the question.

[Bogie Shooter]

The only people who ended up with community service and probation were the people who committed assault against other people who were sitting down.

I've seen no incident report, news article, or op-ed about anyone who was given probation or community service for sitting in a vacant seat, whether "saved" or otherwise.

Sitting in the seat created the assault.

[champion6]

The topic is special VIP tickets for the Christmas tree lighting. It is not about seat saving. Please stay on topic.
ModeratorRespectfully, when the title of the thread is so vague, "what's your thoughts on this," it's harder to remember the topic ... not that we're very good at this, anyway. Thanks for the reminder.

[Nucky]

Traditionally free Villages tree lightings introducing pay-to-view seating

The concept of selling specialized treatment at holiday events first surfaced this past July 4 at Brownwood. The tree-lighting shows are following that model, with tickets offered for $50 per person, $80 per couple and $225 for a table for six. Those purchasing the “VIP Experience” are being promised two free drink tickets, appetizers provided by a yet-unnamed vendor and access to a VIP tent and cash bar, as well as reserved seating and “direct access into the square.”

Making this none of my business makes my life better. I don't own the area in question. Hope it was fun! Interesting subject though. :ohdear:

[gatorbill1]

I guess anyone can save seats and then sell them?????????

[CWGUY]

I guess anyone can save seats and then sell them?????????

Not in the VIP tent..... but
You could sell the Brooklyn Bridge here and get someone to pay you in I-tune cards. :faint:

[graciegirl]

Not in the VIP tent..... but
You could sell the Brooklyn Bridge here and get someone to pay you I-tune cards. :faint:

Last week I got a couple of good offers on sidewalk space in San Francisco. ;)

[CWGUY]

Last week I got a couple of good offers on sidewalk space in San Francisco. ;)

No tub, no toilet, no problem? :faint:

[Barefoot]

In 2007, we bought our house in The Villages.
We went to all the parades and every get together, including the Christmas Tree Lighting.
I assume in 2019, it will be even more crowded.

[Bogie Shooter]

It’s not $80 a couple, only by choice.

[Barefoot]

Perhaps there should be a rule on how many seats you can save? Or maybe there is one already?
Zero is the number.
But the moderator has already reminded us that this thread is about VIP tickets, not saved seats.

[Barefoot]

Traditionally free Villages tree lightings introducing pay-to-view seating. I think that your initial post is misleading.
I understand from reading posts on this thread, that there are still free seats available, just not in the VIP tent.

[Velvet]

If I were to save a seat (and I can’t see why I would) I’d either turn it upside down (probably not allowed) or stack them and sit on the stack (probably not allowed) or.... (definitely not allowed!). However, I prefer to get along with my fellow Villagers so I would not say to them, “No, you can’t take that seat.” Talk about being antisocial.

[John_W]

The original topic was the VIP tent at Brownwood for the tree lighting. This is the perfect example of making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Here is a typical special event at Brownwood (The Mountain)


https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/75486083_1449966808501180_3031264613300699136_o.jp g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQncvaOX0r8NEVa6rFash3MPOYd7BdJxvbpwVoj3x-pMvK1iwNw5-P0wM-VwldeUQLE&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-1.xx&oh=6783909f12b7646fe16fd25d2ca42ce8&oe=5E50A435

Here is the VIP used at the 4th of July Celebration at Brownwood (The Mole Hill)


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Anywhere else at the square besides inside that little tent, the grandstands, the folding chairs, the chair you bring from home, in your golf cart, at the City Fire Bar, on the dance floor, all those seats are still FREE!!!!!!

[Velvet]

Nah, we are just having a bit of fun with the topic. If the Squares do not belong to the Villages, I don't see we can say much effectively about how they are used.

[John_W]

Here's a better look at it, some of you should feel foolish. If someone wants to pay $50 to sit in there, I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to. It's not even in a good location, stuck back between the bleachers near the sidewalk.

https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/74495622_10216616594059726_6883846652860301312_o.j pg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQlaBPtqPCP6yyGaJeSVgzoTRnBjSP-wGS_qmDDnwqzMpM7PFFFWAchmn7EziUMaPnQ&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-1.xx&oh=532615cb2b36691846c1eea50856a6d0&oe=5E846246

[claytocl]

All squares are open to the public. It shouldn’t be allowed.

[claytocl]

The squares are public access, just as your roads are. In other words, The Villages has no say who goes to the Squares or drives through your village.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

All squares are open to the public. It shouldn’t be allowed.

While they are open to the public, they are not public property. The property is owned, and the owners can set up a tent and charge admission to that tent if they wish.

[dewilson58]

The squares are public access, just as your roads are. In other words, The Villages has no say who goes to the Squares or drives through your village.




Might want to get educated first.

[dewilson58]

The original topic was the VIP tent at Brownwood for the tree lighting. This is the perfect example of making a mountain out of a mole hill.






Exactly.


Somebody writes to the rag online news and all the whiners come out to play.

[600th Photo Sq]

USA = Freedom of choice your $$$ money your choice. That is common sense to me.

Those who chose to buy into this scheme will love it or hate it. The cost for those who choose to buy into this scheme isn't in the least bit concerned about the cost.

For me? " Boring " . I wouldn't waste 1 second of my time to go to this type of event.

Access to the VIP Tent, where more than likely attendees get to meet the person who actually turned on the " Tree Light Switch " and of course get an opportunity to get His/Her " Autograph ", and a photo opportunity with that " VIP ".

[bagboy]

exactly.


Somebody writes to the rag online news and all the whiners come out to play.

amen !!!

[Marathon Man]

All squares are open to the public. It shouldn’t be allowed.

Residents of Continental Country Club should undestand that the squares, while 'open to the public', are not public property. The owner can choose to set up a VIP tent.

[coffeebean]

The only people who ended up with community service and probation were the people who committed assault against other people who were sitting down.

I've seen no incident report, news article, or op-ed about anyone who was given probation or community service for sitting in a vacant seat, whether "saved" or otherwise.

Now, this makes perfect sense.

[PennBF]

The real impact for charging to sit in the Square's which were open to all regardless of living status now push towards a "pecking order" in the village's and the amount you pay for services is where you are in the pecking order. As far as the money goes does not mean anything to me. To know some would like to see the tree lighting can't because in a few years it will only be available to ability to pay. That is sad! This is absolutely a major change and the birth of a whole new way of living in the villages and future buyers should recognize these types of additional expense have taken the first step towards where you can afford the changing way of costs of living here. :ohdear:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The real impact for charging to sit in the Square's which were open to all regardless of living status now push towards a "pecking order" in the village's and the amount you pay for services is where you are in the pecking order. As far as the money goes does not mean anything to me. To know some would like to see the tree lighting can't because in a few years it will only be available to ability to pay. That is sad! This is absolutely a major change and the birth of a whole new way of living in the villages and future buyers should recognize these types of additional expense have taken the first step towards where you can afford the changing way of costs of living here. :ohdear:

No one is making anyone pay to see this. It is STILL free, and everything you got for free last year, will still be available for free this year.

They are charging for FOOD, DRINKS, and seating under a canopy at a table for crying out loud. You have to pay for that already now, so that isn't changing either.

[Nucky]

If I were to save a seat (and I can’t see why I would) I’d either turn it upside down (probably not allowed) or stack them and sit on the stack (probably not allowed) or.... (definitely not allowed!). However, I prefer to get along with my fellow Villagers so I would not say to them, “No, you can’t take that seat.” Talk about being antisocial.

If you turned the seats upside down then you could get 4 people on each chair. Just Sayin! Problem solved!

[sleepingdog]

No. Will become a Pandora's Box!!!
Maintain first come first served.

How is this proposal any different than saving seats on the square? It isn't!!!
I agree with first reply:

BS!
another Village rip off

[Kenswing]

another Village rip off
Just so I know before we move there, what are the other Village's rip offs?

[Becky&]

I think this is simply a plan by TV to make more money. I think the plan is abhorrent. Why take a nice holiday event and make it accessible to people that have more money than others. The joy of Christmas is sucked right out of the whole idea. I would never pay to attend this event and probably at this point wouldn’t pay if it was free.

[John_W]

I think this is simply a plan by TV to make more money. I think the plan is abhorrent. Why take a nice holiday event and make it accessible to people that have more money than others. The joy of Christmas is sucked right out of the whole idea. I would never pay to attend this event and probably at this point wouldn’t pay if it was free.

The 50 VIP Seats have been sold out. So if you're going to the tree lighting on the 30th, you have to sit in the free grandstands or one of several hundred free folding chairs, or in the chair you brought from home, or in your golf cart, but not the VIP tent.

If you see this VIP tent tucked in between the grandstands, it's sold out, so sit somewhere else. BTW, the profits go to Charity, not the TV as you say.

https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/74495622_10216616594059726_6883846652860301312_o.j pg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQlaBPtqPCP6yyGaJeSVgzoTRnBjSP-wGS_qmDDnwqzMpM7PFFFWAchmn7EziUMaPnQ&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-1.xx&oh=532615cb2b36691846c1eea50856a6d0&oe=5E846246

[Velvet]

‘All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. A proclamation by the pigs who control the government in the novel Animal Farm, by George Orwell.’

(Sorry, I just couldn’t help myself.)

[Marlene36]

Horrible idea - who benefits from the $ collected? Prices also excessive - they just light the tree, no big name Savannah center entertainment either.

[mjpuleo]

I never complain about The Villages and I get upset when people do complain, but for the first time I have to say I don't like the idea of even suggesting for paying to see the tree lighting. I've been living here for 10 years and every year the tree lighting on all the squares is a delightful event. Why put a price on it now?? It don't make sense because you can see the tree lit any other night. Please don't allow this.

[John_W]

Horrible idea - who benefits from the $ collected? Prices also excessive - they just light the tree, no big name Savannah center entertainment either.

Read post #82, it's a couple before yours. It will explain it all.

[John_W]

I never complain about The Villages and I get upset when people do complain, but for the first time I have to say I don't like the idea of even suggesting for paying to see the tree lighting. I've been living here for 10 years and every year the tree lighting on all the squares is a delightful event. Why put a price on it now?? It don't make sense because you can see the tree lit any other night. Please don't allow this.

Sorry, they can't accept your money, the VIP seats are sold out. Read post #82, it will explain it all.

[champion6]

No one is making anyone pay to see this. It is STILL free, and everything you got for free last year, will still be available for free this year.

They are charging for FOOD, DRINKS, and seating under a canopy at a table for crying out loud. You have to pay for that already now, so that isn't changing either.
:agree:
:boom:
That post sums it up. 'Nuf said. Time to close this tread.

[CWGUY]

Just so I know before we move there, what are the other Village's rip offs?

:ohdear: Why ask..... you know more than most. :coolsmiley:

[graciegirl]

The 50 VIP Seats have been sold out. So if you're going to the tree lighting on the 30th, you have to sit in the free grandstands or one of several hundred free folding chairs, or in the chair you brought from home, or in your golf cart, but not the VIP tent.

If you see this VIP tent tucked in between the grandstands, it's sold out, so sit somewhere else. BTW, the profits go to Charity, not the TV as you say.

https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/74495622_10216616594059726_6883846652860301312_o.j pg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQlaBPtqPCP6yyGaJeSVgzoTRnBjSP-wGS_qmDDnwqzMpM7PFFFWAchmn7EziUMaPnQ&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-1.xx&oh=532615cb2b36691846c1eea50856a6d0&oe=5E846246
There is no charge to see the Christmas Tree Lighting at any of the three squares in The Villages. There is a "VIP Tent" in Brownwood, that you can pay to sit and have drinks and part of the money goes to Charity. BUT IT IS SOLD OUT. Quell rumors. Squash gossip. Use common sense.

[dewilson58]

Just so I know before we move there, what are the other Village's rip offs?




By far the biggest Village's rip off: Once I got only one pickle on my cheeseburger.



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[graciegirl]

There is no charge to see the Christmas Tree Lighting at any of the three squares in The Villages. There is a "VIP Tent" in Brownwood, that you can pay to sit and have drinks and part of the money goes to Charity. It is sold out. There is NO charge to see the Christmas Tree lighting at any of the three squares in The Villages. The entertainment business that runs these things was sold to a private individual four years ago.

[Bogie Shooter]

:ohdear: Why ask..... you know more than most. :coolsmiley:

:thumbup:

[geobet]

:icon_wink: That's an easy one...... it's their seats not yours! They can save seats and you can't. You can still go. There is still a free option (paid for by selling seats) for others. Takes a crane, 2 trucks, 5-6 guys, and 2 nights to set up and decorate the tree. Wonder how much that costs...... nobody posts asking that! Thank you Entertainment Dept. :ho:
What happened to my reply talking about how Harold Schwartz is rolling over in his grave at the thought of charging for extra privilege? At least provide a response rather than refuse to publish my reply.

[Bogie Shooter]

What happened to my reply talking about how Harold Schwartz is rolling over in his grave at the thought of charging for extra privilege? At least provide a response rather than refuse to publish my reply.

Wow! CWGuy now has capability to add or delete posts?

[CWGUY]

Wow! CWGuy now has capability to add or delete posts?

One of my many :super: powers!

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: But I only use it in positive ways...... not like "Underdog"

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

What happens if you pay for the seats appetizers and drinks and it's pouring rain that night?

[JSR22]

What happens if you pay for the seats appetizers and drinks and it's pouring rain that night?

Te table and chairs are under a tent.

[CWGUY]

What happens if you pay for the seats appetizers and drinks and it's pouring rain that night?

:) Ask the people that paid for the 4th. of July VIP section. I think it rained that night.

[bagboy]

What happened to my reply talking about how Harold Schwartz is rolling over in his grave at the thought of charging for extra privilege? At least provide a response rather than refuse to publish my reply.

Harold was cremated.

[Bigjoe505]

I've been coming to the Villages since 1982,when my parents bought a singlewide mobile home in OBG. I tore that mobile home down in 2016 and built a house on the lot. I chose to stay in OBG because I believe its one of the prettiest sections of The Villages. The town square entertainment has always been free up to now. Selling seats and table space is a way for the entertainment dept. to recover expenses. As long as there is still a free option, I see no reason to complain about the more affluent citizens of The Villages living a lifestyle that is more ostentatious than most others. LOL After all, I can remember when the most elaborate house in the villages was Mr. Swartz double wide on the corner of Aloha and Tarrson and people complained that it took up 2 lots. Some people will always complain. it's human nature.

[Bogie Shooter]

I've been coming to the Villages since 1982,when my parents bought a singlewide mobile home in OBG. I tore that mobile home down in 2016 and built a house on the lot. I chose to stay in OBG because I believe its one of the prettiest sections of The Villages. The town square entertainment has always been free up to now. Selling seats and table space is a way for the entertainment dept. to recover expenses. As long as there is still a free option, I see no reason to complain about the more affluent citizens of The Villages living a lifestyle that is more ostentatious than most others. LOL After all, I can remember when the most elaborate house in the villages was Mr. Swartz double wide on the corner of Aloha and Tarrson and people complained that it took up 2 lots. Some people will always complain. it's human nature.

Well said, puts it all into prospective...…..

[PennBF]

The point is this is an attempt to get incremental revenue or revenue that is new and was not a part of the prior revenue streams. Now think of the many ways the Developer, Commercial Business, Vendors, Rental's ,etc etc..can and will use this route as needed. Now consider the many avenues available to increase year to year new revenue 's? (.g. pool usage, seats at squares, parking, new fines, internal categories of the Amentie fees, taxes, etc etc). These are under the authority of either the Developer, Various Gov't (Both Village and State)amd business. As an example the current incremental revenue for the Christmas Tree is being assigned to the owner of the Entertainment Vendor although it can be assumed the Developer will receive some, etc. In addition the current revenue streams will be increased as a basis for covering on going costs. A potential serious concern is the lack of control or influence the residents have in any of the decisions regarding "Village" impacts. Just opinion I personally believe using a religious line item which is more for children than adults and should be viewed as such before making it harder for some to have equal enjoyment and making it more comfortable with tent and location. :ho:

[graciegirl]

I've been coming to the Villages since 1982,when my parents bought a singlewide mobile home in OBG. I tore that mobile home down in 2016 and built a house on the lot. I chose to stay in OBG because I believe its one of the prettiest sections of The Villages. The town square entertainment has always been free up to now. Selling seats and table space is a way for the entertainment dept. to recover expenses. As long as there is still a free option, I see no reason to complain about the more affluent citizens of The Villages living a lifestyle that is more ostentatious than most others. LOL After all, I can remember when the most elaborate house in the villages was Mr. Swartz double wide on the corner of Aloha and Tarrson and people complained that it took up 2 lots. Some people will always complain. it's human nature.

Worth reading again.

[fmazack]

One way to stop this is, don't attend. The tree will be there many nights and I'll see it when I don't have to pay. If enough people stop attending and don't buy tickets, it will send a big message to those in charge.

[Velvet]

I think that those who object to commercializing a religious symbol, (most Christians I think) should stay away. I consider asking for payment to watch a Christmas tree being lit up is in bad taste. Look, if you can’t afford to put up a Christmas tree, then don’t do it. Other forms of entertainment you can charge a price for, but this verges on insulting, if I am reading these posts correctly. Christmas represents the birth of Christ, born in a stable, no admission was required.

[CWGUY]

One way to stop this is, don't attend. The tree will be there many nights and I'll see it when I don't have to pay. If enough people stop attending and don't buy tickets, it will send a big message to those in charge.

What part of " You don't HAVE to pay that night " are people not understanding?

One more time and I'll type slow..... " You don't HAVE to pay that night " What are you and others not understanding? :boom:

[CWGUY]

I think that those who object to commercializing a religious symbol, (most Christians I think) should stay away. I consider asking for payment to watch a Christmas tree being lit up is in bad taste. Look, if you can’t afford to put up a Christmas tree, then don’t do it. Other forms of entertainment you can charge a price for, but this verges on insulting, if I am reading these posts correctly. Christmas represents the birth of Christ, born in a stable, no admission was required.


:ohdear: I'm telling Santa on you!

[Velvet]

Not good enough, sorry, get some other money making venture and leave religious symbols out of it.

[Velvet]

Santa is not a religious symbol although associated. The Christmas tree symbolizes to some of us the birth of the savior.

[Bogie Shooter]

The point is this is an attempt to get incremental revenue or revenue that is new and was not a part of the prior revenue streams. Now think of the many ways the Developer, Commercial Business, Vendors, Rental's ,etc etc..can and will use this route as needed. Now consider the many avenues available to increase year to year new revenue 's? (.g. pool usage, seats at squares, parking, new fines, internal categories of the Amentie fees, taxes, etc etc). These are under the authority of either the Developer, Various Gov't (Both Village and State)amd business. As an example the current incremental revenue for the Christmas Tree is being assigned to the owner of the Entertainment Vendor although it can be assumed the Developer will receive some, etc. In addition the current revenue streams will be increased as a basis for covering on going costs. A potential serious concern is the lack of control or influence the residents have in any of the decisions regarding "Village" impacts. Just opinion I personally believe using a religious line item which is more for children than adults and should be viewed as such before making it harder for some to have equal enjoyment and making it more comfortable with tent and location. :ho:

Sorry, but the sky is not falling.

[CWGUY]

Not good enough, sorry, get some other money making venture and leave religious symbols out of it.

:ho: Nothing says the BIRTH of CHRIST like a 25 foot lighted pine tree??? :shocked:

[Bogie Shooter]

One way to stop this is, don't attend. The tree will be there many nights and I'll see it when I don't have to pay. If enough people stop attending and don't buy tickets, it will send a big message to those in charge.

Sure, why do something that some charity might benefit from.

[CWGUY]

Sorry, but the sky is not falling.

:icon_wink: But.... some keep hoping!

[Bogie Shooter]

Not good enough, sorry, get some other money making venture and leave religious symbols out of it.

Did you miss the charity part??

[CWGUY]

Santa is not a religious symbol although associated. The Christmas tree symbolizes to some of us the birth of the savior.

:what:

[Velvet]

I’m sure there may be some people who will agree with you. Charity is not good enough. If we took one of your precious symbols and use it in a crass way...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I think that those who object to commercializing a religious symbol, (most Christians I think) should stay away. I consider asking for payment to watch a Christmas tree being lit up is in bad taste. Look, if you can’t afford to put up a Christmas tree, then don’t do it. Other forms of entertainment you can charge a price for, but this verges on insulting, if I am reading these posts correctly. Christmas represents the birth of Christ, born in a stable, no admission was required.

The fact that it's an evergreen tree being lit up for Christmas is, by definition, commercialization of a religious symbol.

The origins of an evergreen tree during December being a religious symbol are pagan, not Christian. The European Christians stole the concept during the Crusades and claimed it symbolized their savior, who was a) not white, b) not European, c) not born in December, and d) lived in and came from a place where these particular evergreen trees didn't exist.

If commercialization of religious holidays offends you, then don't light your own tree, don't buy presents for Christmas, don't do any shopping during Christmas sales, and avoid any place that decorates for Christmas or plays Christmas music in their stores.

It'll certainly cut down on the overcrowding during the holidays and make things much more pleasant for the rest of us, who acknowledge that the whole thing is commercialized, but need a quart of milk that day.

[CWGUY]

The fact that it's an evergreen tree being lit up for Christmas is, by definition, commercialization of a religious symbol.

The origins of an evergreen tree during December being a religious symbol are pagan, not Christian. The European Christians stole the concept during the Crusades and claimed it symbolized their savior, who was a) not white, b) not European, c) not born in December, and d) lived in and came from a place where these particular evergreen trees didn't exist.

If commercialization of religious holidays offends you, then don't light your own tree, don't buy presents for Christmas, don't do any shopping during Christmas sales, and avoid any place that decorates for Christmas or plays Christmas music in their stores.

It'll certainly cut down on the overcrowding during the holidays and make things much more pleasant for the rest of us, who acknowledge that the whole thing is commercialized, but need a quart of milk that day.

:ho: Yeah! What she said! :icon_wink:

[Velvet]

Ok, I buy that as long as they put up the Evergreen tree in July and not near the birth of Christ and don’t call it a Christmas tree, they can light it till the cows come home. Some branches of Christianity do not give gifts at Christmas.
People of many faiths enjoy some Christmas traditions. I’m okay with that. But this isn’t that.
What bothers me is the attempt at secularizing and making money off what is a religious symbol to some of us.

And I’d like to add one more thing, thank you for letting me express my views, whether you agree with them or not. This is another example of why TV is so wonderful.

[Bogie Shooter]

The fact that it's an evergreen tree being lit up for Christmas is, by definition, commercialization of a religious symbol.

The origins of an evergreen tree during December being a religious symbol are pagan, not Christian. The European Christians stole the concept during the Crusades and claimed it symbolized their savior, who was a) not white, b) not European, c) not born in December, and d) lived in and came from a place where these particular evergreen trees didn't exist.

If commercialization of religious holidays offends you, then don't light your own tree, don't buy presents for Christmas, don't do any shopping during Christmas sales, and avoid any place that decorates for Christmas or plays Christmas music in their stores.

It'll certainly cut down on the overcrowding during the holidays and make things much more pleasant for the rest of us, who acknowledge that the whole thing is commercialized, but need a quart of milk that day.

:ho: Yeah! What she said! :icon_wink:

All of it...….:)

[Two Bills]

When all is said and done 90+% of the area is free to watch from, and when you go home your a few bucks better off than the people who paid to see the same show as you.
What's the problem?:shrug:

[CWGUY]

When all is said and done 90+% of the area is free to watch from, and when you go home your a few bucks better off than the people who paid to see the same show as you.
What's the problem?:shrug:

There is no problem! And the people are not paying to see the same show. They are paying for reserved seating, drinks and appetizers. They are doing it because they want to.... not because they have to. The people blinded by hate can't understand that. :faint:

[retiredguy123]

Some posters have said that these events will benefit a charity. The Villages entertainment website does not indicate anything about ticket proceeds going to charity. Although, other events listed on their website specifically name a charity to receive proceeds. The Villages office could not verify that this is a charity event. Can someone provide information about the source of this information and which charity will benefit?

[Nucky]

What part of " You don't HAVE to pay that night " are people not understanding?

One more time and I'll type slow..... " You don't HAVE to pay that night " What are you and others not understanding? :boom:

CWGUY- Cover your Keyboard.
W h at D O E S a Y E L L O W Light M E A N? What does a yellow light mean? - YouTube (https://youtu.be/1HvmtbZzA40) I think I got it! :clap2::clap2:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Ok, I buy that as long as they put up the Evergreen tree in July and not near the birth of Christ and don’t call it a Christmas tree, they can light it till the cows come home. Some branches of Christianity do not give gifts at Christmas.
People of many faiths enjoy some Christmas traditions. I’m okay with that. But this isn’t that.
What bothers me is the attempt at secularizing and making money off what is a religious symbol to some of us.

And I’d like to add one more thing, thank you for letting me express my views, whether you agree with them or not. This is another example of why TV is so wonderful.

What bothers me is the history behind the "Christmas tree." It is not, nor will ever be, symbolic of the birth of your savior. In the name of your religion, tens of thousands of actual religious people were murdered, and THEIR religious symbols intentionally obscured. Because of your religion, the evergreen tree has become the symbol of commercialization, secularization, murder, and conspiracy. It is not the symbol of anything resembling what you consider a "christ."

I'm not even Pagan and I consider it offensive. But I pick my battles, and accept that most Americans have chosen to ignore the actual history of the things they claim to represent their religions, and instead focus on the pretty parts of it. Which is - "sparkly lights on a big green tree."

That is what I have chosen to allow it to mean, to me. Your mileage may vary. I wouldn't pay $50 to witness the lighting, but I might come to my local square to enjoy the entertainment on face value. For free. Which is what everyone can do.

[CWGUY]

CWGUY- Cover your Keyboard.
W h at D O E S a Y E L L O W Light M E A N? What does a yellow light mean? - YouTube (https://youtu.be/1HvmtbZzA40) I think I got it! :clap2::clap2:

:1rotfl: ROTFLMAO

[Velvet]

Yes, you are right. Great evil has been done by certain people in the name of religion. And nothing can excuse it. It is not only one religion that is at fault either.
I had a professor at university who belonged to a faith that is well known for its great hatred towards others. But he took the best elements from that faith and lived them throughout his life. Every time I want to get upset by people who follow that faith I remember my professor and I know that it is how each individual understands their faith and live by it, what really counts.
Actually, now that I think of it, there are some faiths which hold the entire group accountable. I would assume then the same idea applies to the whole group.

[New Englander]

I'm not going to the Christmas tree lighting because it's going to be too darn crowded for me to enjoy. I'll wait a week and then go.

[John_W]

Watch it on your computer. I went to LSL once for tree lighting, probably around 2011 and never went again, it's no big deal.

Villages Squares Webcams (http://www.stockers.ch/thevillages/)

[CWGUY]

I'm not going to the Christmas tree lighting because it's going to be too darn crowded for me to enjoy. I'll wait a week and then go.

:agree: They are every year. You only have to wait a night and less crowds. :icon_wink:

[graciegirl]

What bothers me is the history behind the "Christmas tree." It is not, nor will ever be, symbolic of the birth of your savior. In the name of your religion, tens of thousands of actual religious people were murdered, and THEIR religious symbols intentionally obscured. Because of your religion, the evergreen tree has become the symbol of commercialization, secularization, murder, and conspiracy. It is not the symbol of anything resembling what you consider a "christ."

I'm not even Pagan and I consider it offensive. But I pick my battles, and accept that most Americans have chosen to ignore the actual history of the things they claim to represent their religions, and instead focus on the pretty parts of it. Which is - "sparkly lights on a big green tree."

That is what I have chosen to allow it to mean, to me. Your mileage may vary. I wouldn't pay $50 to witness the lighting, but I might come to my local square to enjoy the entertainment on face value. For free. Which is what everyone can do.

I associate wonderful things with the tree and the manger and the star and the angels and the magi and even gifts we give to those we love. Christmas is a time of magic for me and I hope always will be. I tried very hard to create and maintain traditions for our children since we lived away from the grandparents and in so doing made myself happy...and now that our children are going to be on another continent this Christmas, we will do all the things we have always done and Christmas will steal again into our hearts. Christmas trees are a wonderful symbol of the Bavarian Forest where my grandfather was born and raised. Hoping you all find magic this season.