The Shopping Desert South of 44

[KeithDB]

I'm not seeking a massive mall. Just a basic grocery store and maybe a few actual restaurants. Something between food trucks and the Fenney Grill.

I would not complain if the Magnolia Plaza was going full bore with construction. But it is not. It has been stagnant now for weeks. They built the parking lot and gave up. For basic grocery shopping we are left to fight our way through the construction of the Chitty Chatty Village.

In the meantime, the Publix grocery on 466A near the Lowes is going full bore, moving ahead despite starting later, with a Winn Dixie in a baseball hit distance from it.

I am not seeing The Villages commitment to the infrastructure in this area. I will warn away potential buyers here for this reason.

[pooh]

Do you know why construction has “stopped?” There may be a reason you aren’t aware of.

[KeithDB]

Well I obviously would not be aware of any reason I am not aware of. Care to put forward any reasons, you might be aware of, that I should be aware of, that would explain things?

[billethkid]

If you were here 16 years ago you might have wondered the same thing....the minority report has been duly noted!!!

[NotGolfer]

Understandable! However there was a time when the folks in the early years had to go to Ocala or Leesburg for their healthcare (entirely) as well as any shopping etc. There weren't any amenities as we have available now. I would suspect that there will be what you're wishing for in the plan. It wasn't all that long ago that the road south from Hwy 44 wasn't much more than a gravel road.

[dewilson58]

I am not seeing The Villages commitment to the infrastructure in this area.




How are you measuring this??




Store owners have to be convinced there is a market for their retail dollars. Currently there appears to be a shortage of retail dollars.

[golfing eagles]

I'm not seeking a massive mall. Just a basic grocery store and maybe a few actual restaurants. Something between food trucks and the Fenney Grill.

I would not complain if the Magnolia Plaza was going full bore with construction. But it is not. It has been stagnant now for weeks. They built the parking lot and gave up. For basic grocery shopping we are left to fight our way through the construction of the Chitty Chatty Village.

In the meantime, the Publix grocery on 466A near the Lowes is going full bore, moving ahead despite starting later, with a Winn Dixie in a baseball hit distance from it.

I am not seeing The Villages commitment to the infrastructure in this area. I will warn away potential buyers here for this reason.

200 years ago Broadway was a dirt road and Manhattan ended at Canal St.----Patience, grasshopper:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

I'm not seeking a massive mall. Just a basic grocery store and maybe a few actual restaurants. Something between food trucks and the Fenney Grill.

I would not complain if the Magnolia Plaza was going full bore with construction. But it is not. It has been stagnant now for weeks. They built the parking lot and gave up. For basic grocery shopping we are left to fight our way through the construction of the Chitty Chatty Village.

In the meantime, the Publix grocery on 466A near the Lowes is going full bore, moving ahead despite starting later, with a Winn Dixie in a baseball hit distance from it.

I am not seeing The Villages commitment to the infrastructure in this area. I will warn away potential buyers here for this reason.


The Morse family are builders. They build houses and they build buildings that house hospitals and stores and rec centers etc. When it comes to getting businesses to commit to leasing the buildings, that is another thing. You can't make a restaurant or clothing shop or grocery store rent space. I have been here long enough to have heard this cry many times and eventually the businesses come.

[pacjag]

Oh my god. Slowing down to 35mph through the construction area along Morse is such an inconvenience. ������ I bet it takes a whole 10 minutes to get to the the Publix on 44.

Have a little patience. As others have said, commerce comes to areas that can support it. The developers are not subsidizing the businesses coming to Magnolia Plaza. If those businesses do not believe there are enough customers in the area yet to allow them to make a profit, then they will not be in a hurry to complete construction and open for business. Sure, plenty of homes have sold down here but many, if not most, are not actually occupied yet. Before long we will be looking back fondly to the days when things were slower and quieter in the area.

[vintageogauge]

Well I obviously would not be aware of any reason I am not aware of. Care to put forward any reasons, you might be aware of, that I should be aware of, that would explain things?

Permits, Contractor problems, EPA problems, Loss of anchor tenant requiring re-design for a new one to name a few. What is the problem with going past the construction, it's never backed up and 35 MPH is the same speed limit as it is on 501 and 468 near magnolia. It's less than a 10 minute drive to Kristine Way, you're making a big issue out of nothing. You can always do your shopping at the Dollar Store in Coleman and save yourself a minute or two driving time. Unbelievable, warning people to not buy down here because of your impatience. Also be thankful we have the Leesburg Hospital and don't have to drive all the way up north to TV Hospital. Relax and enjoy.

[JSR22]

Permits, Contractor problems, EPA problems, Loss of anchor tenant requiring re-design for a new one to name a few. What is the problem with going past the construction, it's never backed up and 35 MPH is the same speed limit as it is on 501 and 468 near magnolia. It's less than a 10 minute drive to Kristine Way, you're making a big issue out of nothing. You can always do your shopping at the Dollar Store in Coleman and save yourself a minute or two driving time. Unbelievable, warning people to not buy down here because of your impatience. Also be thankful we have the Leesburg Hospital and don't have to drive all the way up north to TV Hospital. Relax and enjoy.

What anchor store pulled out and what is the replacement?

[Altavia]

Via 501 to the 470 turnpike entrance, it's less than an hour to Orlando, Disney Springs, etc.

[Goldwingnut]

What anchor store pulled out and what is the replacement?

He was giving examples of what could hole up construction progress, nothing more.

[JSR22]

He was giving examples of what could hole up construction progress, nothing more.

I misread.

[vintageogauge]

What anchor store pulled out and what is the replacement?

I quoted possible reasons for the delay.

[claytocl]

Understandable! However there was a time when the folks in the early years had to go to Ocala or Leesburg for their healthcare (entirely) as well as any shopping etc. There weren't any amenities as we have available now. I would suspect that there will be what you're wishing for in the plan. It wasn't all that long ago that the road south from Hwy 44 wasn't much more than a gravel road.

I wish it still was gravel.

[VApeople]

I am not seeing The Villages commitment to the infrastructure in this area.

After a person complains, I like to ask them, "So what are you going to do about it?"

I am curious what your answer is.

If we were not happy where we are living, we would move somewhere else. If you look at the huge number of resales in the area south of Route 44, I guess many others are doing the same thing.

[vintageogauge]

After a person complains, I like to ask them, "So what are you going to do about it?"

I am curious what your answer is.

If we were not happy where we are living, we would move somewhere else. If you look at the huge number of resales in the area south of Route 44, I guess many others are doing the same thing.

Most of the resales south of 44 are those who are taking their hansom profits and buying a larger home down here.. We know of many who have done just that. Also there are always health and family issues that come into play. If you look at the board showing where the new residents are coming from each week, most are coming from Florida and most of those are coming from the northern villages. I don't think too many are selling and going north of 44, at least I haven't hear of many.

[Marathon Man]

I wish it still was gravel.

I don't understand people who live in Continental CC and their obsession with TV. Is it envy?

[Marathon Man]

After a person complains, I like to ask them, "So what are you going to do about it?"

I am curious what your answer is.

If we were not happy where we are living, we would move somewhere else. If you look at the huge number of resales in the area south of Route 44, I guess many others are doing the same thing.

This is a great comment.

[Bogie Shooter]

Well I obviously would not be aware of any reason I am not aware of. Care to put forward any reasons, you might be aware of, that I should be aware of, that would explain things?

Who is on first.

[Madelaine Amee]

Well I obviously would not be aware of any reason I am not aware of. Care to put forward any reasons, you might be aware of, that I should be aware of, that would explain things?

That is really a very clever comment! Well done :icon_wink:

[asianthree]

When most of us moved here we we did not have shopping close to our homes. We have lived with dirt from construction, only SS, LSL was almost vacant when we first came.

Our groceries are delivered to our front door, for over a year. We have not stepped into brick and mortar retail for 3 years. My parents in their late eighties have groceries delivered to their home in TV.

When you bought did you really think those big dirt piles we have all lived with just went away overnight and became stores.
Most of us did our homework and if the new area was not going to be ready by our standards than we could always buy elsewhere in TV

[Doro22]

I'm not seeking a massive mall. Just a basic grocery store and maybe a few actual restaurants. Something between food trucks and the Fenney Grill.

I would not complain if the Magnolia Plaza was going full bore with construction. But it is not. It has been stagnant now for weeks. They built the parking lot and gave up. For basic grocery shopping we are left to fight our way through the construction of the Chitty Chatty Village.
In the meantime, the Publix grocery on 466A near the Lowes is going full bore, moving ahead despite starting later, with a Winn Dixie in a baseball hit distance from it.

I am not seeing The Villages commitment to the infrastructure in this area. I will warn away potential buyers here for this reason.

Why would TheVillages be committed to an area that is not within Villages boundaries? The Villages doesn’t own The Trailwinds area.

[JoMar]

I don't understand people who live in Continental CC and their obsession with TV. Is it envy?

As with many outside TV, they lived in a nice quiet area along a two lane road. The growth has changed the life style they experienced for many years. I think many of us lament on what live used to be like when we were someplace else or growing up. They, like many in Sumter, Lake and Marion have little voice in what is happening to them. Their obsession is most like focused on TV because TV expansion is what is causing their changes.

[Marathon Man]

As with many outside TV, they lived in a nice quiet area along a two lane road. The growth has changed the life style they experienced for many years. I think many of us lament on what live used to be like when we were someplace else or growing up. They, like many in Sumter, Lake and Marion have little voice in what is happening to them. Their obsession is most like focused on TV because TV expansion is what is causing their changes.

OK. But, is that any different than any other area that experiences growth? In this paticular case, Past comments seem to be aimed at what is happening in the interior of TV, and not any effect on a neighboring community.

[retiredguy123]

The OP is just frustrated about the lack of shopping and restaurants in the new Villages area. I would be too, but, I wouldn't move there until they had those facilities in place. I think the food trucks are an insult. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

[valuemkt]

Sure.. If Publix decided to build on the lot next to OPs, then he would cry NIMBY !! What is this goldilocks and the 3 bears ?? Not to close but not too far ?? 2 whole traffic lights .. Geez

[graciegirl]

The OP is just frustrated about the lack of shopping and restaurants in the new Villages area. I would be too, but, I wouldn't move there until they had those facilities in place. I think the food trucks are an insult. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Businesses have to decide to come. Developers can build but they can't force people to lease. This has happened over and over again for those who have been here more than a dozen years. Build it, and they will come.

[coffeebean]

I think the food trucks are an insult.

A friend of ours asked a Villages sales person where they can bring family guests to dinner south of 44. The answer was the food trucks. Really???

[vintageogauge]

A friend of ours asked a Villages sales person where they can bring family guests to dinner south of 44. The answer was the food trucks. Really???

The sales person must not have know about The Fenney Grill, The Oaks, or for those who dare, O'Schucks. Or right on 44 Piesano's and the Chineese Restaurant.

[Joanne and Mike]

Leesburg has an excellent Urgent Care and Hospital. Also, any store or restaurant you could want and it isn't too far. Publix at Lake Deaton is close. We love living South of 44. It is a beautiful area, lots of Village Recreation Centers and amenities. New construction, wonderful neighbors. and lots of green space. We live where we spent the majority of our time and I don't mind driving on those occasions when I want to go shopping.

[eyc234]

Just my opine but if you look at the history recently of country club restaurants it does not seem as if that will be a play that TV will be making. That leaves private businesses to step in and accept TV leases that corporations run hundreds of scenarios to determine viability of a store. Also TV will not build many buildings or storefronts until capacity is pretty much at capacity, ie.. look at Brownwood. These could be cause for delays. With the major restaurant players in TV full up with recent lease acquisitions more does not look good for the near future. As population grows it will come and we all hope it will be great!!

[retiredguy123]

The sales person must not have know about The Fenney Grill, The Oaks, or for those who dare, O'Schucks. Or right on 44 Piesano's and the Chineese Restaurant.
O'Shucks! Not much to look at, and the parking lot is not paved, but they have good food, especially oysters on the half shell, and the shrimp.

[Goldwingnut]

Just my opine but if you look at the history recently of country club restaurants it does not seem as if that will be a play that TV will be making. That leaves private businesses to step in and accept TV leases that corporations run hundreds of scenarios to determine viability of a store. Also TV will not build many buildings or storefronts until capacity is pretty much at capacity, ie.. look at Brownwood. These could be cause for delays. With the major restaurant players in TV full up with recent lease acquisitions more does not look good for the near future. As population grows it will come and we all hope it will be great!!

The big problem with the northern CCs that have had and the same for Katie Bells is that people would come in, sit-down, order water or an ice tea and camp out for hours. No business can survive like that, and they haven't, hence the recent history. People wanted a free ride and ruined it for everyone.

Concerning Brownwood, it doesn't take a genius to see that it was built with the current growth in mind, call it Phase Phase 2 happening now, no reason to build more until more customers are available. I'm sure there will be a phase 3 and 4 in the next couple of years.

They can't make companies sign a lease agreement but they can build premier properties/locations that can drive business. Customer income isn't an issue in TV but the High/Low season cycle is very difficult for a business to sustain, those that have a good product and service and are willing to survive the low season reap the rewards in the high season. World of Beer is a prime example.

[coffeebean]

The sales person must not have know about The Fenney Grill, The Oaks, or for those who dare, O'Schucks. Or right on 44 Piesano's and the Chineese Restaurant.

I would imagine all the sales reps should know about the Fenney Grill.

[graciegirl]

I would imagine all the sales reps should know about the Fenney Grill.

There are so many things said on this forum about the Villages Sales Reps and what they "said or didn't say" and much of it is just plain exaggeration or fibbing on the part of people posting.

The Villages Sales Reps don't have to make up stuff to talk anyone into buying here. People are lined up to buy here.

Yesterday we three, Helene, Henry and me, attended a lovely brunch hosted by villages Sales Rep Jim McLaughlin. He sold us two homes, and there is nothing he has ever said to us that was exaggerated, untrue or most of all PUSHY. Now maybe some of the rest aren't as helpful and kind as he is, but I doubt there are many. No one has to do a tap dance or exaggerate anything to sell houses here. The Villages reputation is known far and wide. The Villages don't have to cut deals on new homes and they don't and they don't have to include outside real estate people to sell their new homes.

I think a lot of the negative comments about the new areas where there are only new homes for sale come from people who can't sell new homes. Anyone who has been to the new areas can see for themselves how lovely they are.

No. I don't sell houses, don't get kickbacks and don't know the Morses. I just call a spade a spade.

[PanamaKim]

I have one restaurant suggestion for you, as I have a friend that lives near 44. There is a nice restaurant in one of the mobile home parks on 44 — it’s called Oaks on 44 - it’s in Continental Country Club (Large mobile home park with big oak trees). It has a lovely atmosphere, large windows, comfortable seating, and very reasonable prices. You can sign up for their emails to get notice of specials. We’ve had 3-4 recent meals there and never disappointed. The lobster roll — very generous.

[Marathon Man]

There are so many things said on this forum about the Villages Sales Reps and what they "said or didn't say" and much of it is just plain exaggeration or fibbing on the part of people posting.

The Villages Sales Reps don't have to make up stuff to talk anyone into buying here. People are lined up to buy here.

Yesterday we three, Helene, Henry and me, attended a lovely brunch hosted by villages Sales Rep Jim McLaughlin. He sold us two homes, and there is nothing he has ever said to us that was exaggerated, untrue or most of all PUSHY. Now maybe some of the rest aren't as helpful and kind as he is, but I doubt there are many. No one has to do a tap dance or exaggerate anything to sell houses here. The Villages reputation is known far and wide. The Villages don't have to cut deals on new homes and they don't and they don't have to include outside real estate people to sell their new homes.

I think a lot of the negative comments about the new areas where there are only new homes for sale come from people who can't sell new homes. Anyone who has been to the new areas can see for themselves how lovely they are.

No. I don't sell houses, don't get kickbacks and don't know the Morses. I just call a spade a spade.

Agree agree agree.

[vintageogauge]

I would imagine all the sales reps should know about the Fenney Grill.

Especially since their sales office is right beside it. I tend to doubt that was ever stated by a sales rep.

[rustyp]

The big problem with the northern CCs that have had and the same for Katie Bells is that people would come in, sit-down, order water or an ice tea and camp out for hours. No business can survive like that, and they haven't, hence the recent history. People wanted a free ride and ruined it for everyone.

Concerning Brownwood, it doesn't take a genius to see that it was built with the current growth in mind, call it Phase Phase 2 happening now, no reason to build more until more customers are available. I'm sure there will be a phase 3 and 4 in the next couple of years.

They can't make companies sign a lease agreement but they can build premier properties/locations that can drive business. Customer income isn't an issue in TV but the High/Low season cycle is very difficult for a business to sustain, those that have a good product and service and are willing to survive the low season reap the rewards in the high season. World of Beer is a prime example.

Hard to understand why the developer could not make a profit but apparently their restaurant/building leasers can(example McCalls and Margaretville) with the same exact clientele. How do they stop the water/tea drinkers ? And if successful why didn't the developer use the same strategy.

[Goldwingnut]

Hard to understand why the developer could not make a profit but apparently their restaurant/building leasers can(example McCalls and Margaretville) with the same exact clientele. How do they stop the water/tea drinkers ? And if successful why didn't the developer use the same strategy.

Probably perception, many believed, wrongly, that Katie Bells and the CCs are amenities and they were entitled to use they, when in fact they are not, nor were they ever, amenities. These were private businesses just like the restaurants in the squares. When people walk into a restaurant there is an expectation to purchase (and tip) whereas this same perception does not exist if you feel you've already paid your share. The situation has only become worse over time and it may not be the last we see of things like this.

[rustyp]

Probably perception, many believed, wrongly, that Katie Bells and the CCs are amenities and they were entitled to use they, when in fact they are not, nor were they ever, amenities. These were private businesses just like the restaurants in the squares. When people walk into a restaurant there is an expectation to purchase (and tip) whereas this same perception does not exist if you feel you've already paid your share. The situation has only become worse over time and it may not be the last we see of things like this.

OK I don't buy profit thing. I believe there was other issues going on the developer did not want to deal with. These people know how to make a profit. The issue may have been the profit was not large enough for the headaches or their time was better spent on other ventures they could concentrate on.

But let's explore the situation getting worse with time. Why? Demographics ? If so what attribute of demography is triggering "worse" ?

[Atamasco]

200 years ago Broadway was a dirt road and Manhattan ended at Canal St.----Patience, grasshopper:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Most of us won't be here in 200 yrs, or even 100 yrs. The former Morse generation did much for for the infrastructure than the present generation.

[graciegirl]

Most of us won't be here in 200 yrs, or even 100 yrs. The former Morse generation did much for for the infrastructure than the present generation.

Lookee there, a first time poster. welcome.

My favorite Morse was Gary in that he is the one with the vision of The Villages that took it into the level it is now. He risked his own money time and time again and was able to make things happen more easily as he was the single power. I think Mark, Tracy and Jennifer do a great job and it cannot be easy because I have lived long enough to know that getting three people to agree on anything, let alone the three being siblings, is a difficult task.

This is the time of the year we get a lot of negativity and I always wonder why. I am not sure what this sentence means

The former Morse generation did much for for the infrastructure than the present generation.

One enormous thing that Gary et al has done is separate and widen the cart paths. Much safer than north of 466.

[Mmarr]

Nothing anyone can do about it.. land south of 44 probably still looking for permits.. it is what it is..

[dewilson58]

Most of us won't be here in 200 yrs, or even 100 yrs. The former Morse generation did much for for the infrastructure than the present generation.




Were you here with the prior generations???


Just like the current generation, prior generations had The Good, The Bad & (some will say) The Ugly.

[Bogie Shooter]

Most of us won't be here in 200 yrs, or even 100 yrs. The former Morse generation did much for for the infrastructure than the present generation.
Assume you have facts to back up the infrastructure claim?

[Trishakaye]

Grape vine says gas station pulled out also! Not as well planned out as previous expansion. I manage my shopping trips so only mildly inconvenient but very annoying

[vintageogauge]

Grape vine says gas station pulled out also! Not as well planned out as previous expansion. I manage my shopping trips so only mildly inconvenient but very annoying

I'm sure that is a rumor, why on earth would a gas station pull out unless of course they know of another one being built nearby. Any of the commercial corner out lots along Warm Springs that are for sale would be good spots for gas stations or restaurants, bars, etc. They are also working hard on the commercial property north and just east of the Turnpike, maybe a gas station will be going in there. By the time they get one built there will be so many people here that there will be lines trying to get fuel. I drove past Magnolia today and there seems to be some new equipment that wasn't there before Christmas, maybe they're getting ready to do some constructing. I also wen't to the Lake Deaton Plaza today and it's not far at all from these southern villages, and our home is probably as far away as you can get from it.

[DeanFL]

We JUST came back from a drive - from our house In Glichrist, down to Fenney et al. To the new-ish Everglades Rec Complex...nice, and Fenney Nature Trail...REALLY nice - saw otters swimming in the river catching fish etc. Drove past the Magnolia Plaza Shopping area....with - NOTHING, and no sign of building. We were astonished that (still) the Fenney folks and others down south musr drive so far for basic shopping. The New Publix near us in Trailwinds is being built post-haste. One would think the planned Publix in Magnolia would be a preference, but apparently not. Glad we're not down there... And traffic whooshing from the Turnpike can be easily heard from the Everglades parking area. There are homes built/being built much closer than that...

[vintageogauge]

We JUST came back from a drive - from our house In Glichrist, down to Fenney et al. To the new-ish Everglades Rec Complex...nice, and Fenney Nature Trail...REALLY nice - saw otters swimming in the river catching fish etc. Drove past the Magnolia Plaza Shopping area....with - NOTHING, and no sign of building. We were astonished that (still) the Fenney folks and others down south musr drive so far for basic shopping. The New Publix near us in Trailwinds is being built post-haste. One would think the planned Publix in Magnolia would be a preference, but apparently not. Glad we're not down there... And traffic whooshing from the Turnpike can be easily heard from the Everglades parking area. There are homes built/being built much closer than that...

We drive less than 5 miles and one stoplight for basic shopping, not a big deal at all. When completed the homes near the turnpike will be in the minority, and people are buying them as fast as they build them. Chitty Chatty is coming up next and it is not near the Turnpike and very near to Lake Deaton Plaza. Most of us that live down here are very glad to be here as are all of the people moving down from northern villages.

[600th Photo Sq]

We drive less than 5 miles and one stoplight for basic shopping, not a big deal at all. When completed the homes near the turnpike will be in the minority, and people are buying them as fast as they build them. Chitty Chatty is coming up next and it is not near the Turnpike and very near to Lake Deaton Plaza. Most of us that live down here are very glad to be here as are all of the people moving down from northern villages.

With regards to the noise, when the pavement is wet the sound from the roads ( Turnpike ) is practically deafening.

I'll take the " Pennecamp " area. :)

[valuemkt]

I currently live in the "Pennecamp area" - Buttonwood.. Purposely picked it for its equidistance to Brownwood and Sumter. However, we decided to "upsize" and build in Monarch Grove - which appears to be the future mid point of The Villages, or close. There are still not enough cars in The Villages to make a good traffic jam (nor will there be in the foreseeable future), and Orlando and MCO are 15 minutes closer (we frequent the airport). While magnolia will be an added bonus, Lake Deaton's Publix is 2 lights away (one allowing the right turn on red), and can be reached far quicker, and with less hassle, than the Publix we frequented in the Atlanta suburbs. We have already met many of our new neighbors, all of whom have the excitement of new Villagers, with none of the complaining and animosity often expressed on this blog. They (and we) came with eyes wide open. Contrary to some opinions, you do not need to show your passport to cross 44 .. either way.. I bought something posted by a Bonita resident today, and he mentioned that when he bought 11 years ago, he was at the south end of civilization. The more things change, the more they remain the same, as the saying goes. No regrets .. different strokes for different folks. Everyone down here is certainly old enough to make their own decisions, and do what they perceive is best for them and their loved ones.

[tophcfa]

The great race is on, what will come first in the desert, shopping or Championship golf?

[Sabrina&Bill]

Most of us that live down here are very glad to be here as are all of the people moving down from northern villages.

Just curious, do current Villagers have an advantage over non Villagers when new homes or lots are released/advertised?

Future Villagers ( May 2020)

[ColdNoMore]

The great race is on, what will come first in the desert, shopping or Championship golf?

Hmmm, an excellent question. :thumbup:


If you decide to get a pool going, put me down for $10 that before there's a championship course....there will be a Dollar General.


:D

[Fredman]

What anchor store pulled out and what is the replacement?

Must have been costco. :bigbow:

[valuemkt]

Just curious, do current Villagers have an advantage over non Villagers when new homes or lots are released/advertised?

Future Villagers ( May 2020)

You need to have an experienced and aggressive Villages salesperson looking out for you. If you;re looking for pre owned homes, you should be looking at bother realtor listings and Villages listings.. HOWEVER, if you are committed to build, vs buy a spec, you need to have a Villages salesperson aware of what you want, where, and what you are willing to spend. Good lots go within minutes of their release. The price and terms are non negotiable. If you are not willing to commit, there are usually several back-ups waiting for you to drop your commitment.

[charmed59]

Hmmm, an excellent question. :thumbup:


If you decide to get a pool going, put me down for $10 that before there's a championship course....there will be a Dollar General.


:D

That’s not fair. There is already a Dollar General on Warm Springs.:icon_wink::icon_wink:

[blueash]

By the time the size of TV reached about 45,000 homes [2013] there were several championship courses, dining at country clubs, dozens of restaurants, pharmacies, big box stores, small specialty stores, gas stations, … either on the premises or on the adjoining streets.
With the next 60,000 homes there have been almost no new championship courses, almost no new stores or restaurants, almost no country clubs for dining.
So to look at the past and claim it is no different is simply not true.
As to what the Morses could do to encourage commercial development there is a very simple idea. Lower the rent for the first five years of the lease. Businesses would get a foothold in the plazas and they'd fill in rapidly. There are more than enough residents south of 44 to support commerce with help from the landowners it will happen more quickly.
Of course that would cut into the profit margin of those landowners for a few years, but an empty storefront makes them nothing. So win/win.

I am amazed that people blame the EPA and permit problems as reasons for the slow progress on commercial development. That same EPA and those same permitting agencies seem to have not slowed development at Trailwinds. The Morses could not be operating in a county that is more friendly to the wishes of developers than is Sumter where it seems that the county commissioners are nearly hand picked by the family.

I think the frustration of the OP is justified and fact based. The Villages has long presented itself as a golf cart community. So if you live south of 44, where do you shop or eat that is golf cart accessible? And it has now been almost 3 years since Fenney opened. Still only the Grill and the food trucks are on site.

And with no town square in any announced plans, it is going to be six plus miles by cart to Brownwood. For all those who say that is close enough and not at all different than previous development plans..
If you live north of 44 I believe that you can never be more than 4 miles from at least one square. And most people are within 5 miles of two of them.

No, the planning and design and building of structures of other than houses has been very different south of 44. Whether you view that difference as a negative is up to you, but to claim it has always been like this is inaccurate.

[vintageogauge]

By the time the size of TV reached about 45,000 homes [2013] there were several championship courses, dining at country clubs, dozens of restaurants, pharmacies, big box stores, small specialty stores, gas stations, … either on the premises or on the adjoining streets.
With the next 60,000 homes there have been almost no new championship courses, almost no new stores or restaurants, almost no country clubs for dining.
So to look at the past and claim it is no different is simply not true.
As to what the Morses could do to encourage commercial development there is a very simple idea. Lower the rent for the first five years of the lease. Businesses would get a foothold in the plazas and they'd fill in rapidly. There are more than enough residents south of 44 to support commerce with help from the landowners it will happen more quickly.
Of course that would cut into the profit margin of those landowners for a few years, but an empty storefront makes them nothing. So win/win.

I am amazed that people blame the EPA and permit problems as reasons for the slow progress on commercial development. That same EPA and those same permitting agencies seem to have not slowed development at Trailwinds. The Morses could not be operating in a county that is more friendly to the wishes of developers than is Sumter where it seems that the county commissioners are nearly hand picked by the family.

I think the frustration of the OP is justified and fact based. The Villages has long presented itself as a golf cart community. So if you live south of 44, where do you shop or eat that is golf cart accessible? And it has now been almost 3 years since Fenney opened. Still only the Grill and the food trucks are on site.

And with no town square in any announced plans, it is going to be six plus miles by cart to Brownwood. For all those who say that is close enough and not at all different than previous development plans..
If you live north of 44 I believe that you can never be more than 4 miles from at least one square. And most people are within 5 miles of two of them.

No, the planning and design and building of structures of other than houses has been very different south of 44. Whether you view that difference as a negative is up to you, but to claim it has always been like this is inaccurate.

I don't know how many homes are down here to date but I would guess somewhere between 6 and 7,000, It will be a lot of years before there are 45,000 homes south of 44 and I would guess by then we will have everything we need.

[Sabrina&Bill]

You need to have an experienced and aggressive Villages salesperson looking out for you. If you;re looking for pre owned homes, you should be looking at bother realtor listings and Villages listings.. HOWEVER, if you are committed to build, vs buy a spec, you need to have a Villages salesperson aware of what you want, where, and what you are willing to spend. Good lots go within minutes of their release. The price and terms are non negotiable. If you are not willing to commit, there are usually several back-ups waiting for you to drop your commitment.

Thanks for the advice, we are doing everything you suggested.

Future Villagers
Spring 2020

[coffeebean]

...........No, the planning and design and building of structures of other than houses has been very different south of 44. Whether you view that difference as a negative is up to you, but to claim it has always been like this is inaccurate.
I have read many times that the folks who have purchased south of 44 prefer a more serene and quiet environment and more beautiful than the northern Villages. That is the appeal for purchasing down south.

[Altavia]

B

And with no town square in any announced plans, it is going to be six plus miles by cart to Brownwood. For all those who say that is close enough and not at all different than previous development plans..
If you live north of 44 I believe that you can never be more than 4 miles from at least one square. And most people are within 5 miles of two of them.



Pine Ridge is close to 8mi from a square.

Brownwood will be less than 4 mi once the connectors are in.

[MSchad]

Pine Ridge is close to 8mi from a square.

Everglades will be less than 4 mi once the connectors are in.

You’re going to burst the negativity bubble with facts.

[kkeennyy]

Why don,t we all get together and demand the finish the Plaza !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kkeennyy]

OH Also the Bridge that was to be finished by Jan 2010 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[kkeennyy]

WE also need to give FENNEY GRILL Competition !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kkeennyy]

Well, let me tell you ,the Villages knows whats going 2 be dune !!!!!!!!

[John_W]

https://cdn2.thevillages.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Magnolia-Plaza.jpg

Magnolia Plaza

2020

Daily conveniences are just a golf car ride away. The new Magnolia Plaza will feature a grocer, financial services, pharmacy, and a variety of restaurants.

With 11 shopping plazas located throughout The Villages community, residents and surrounding community locals can shop top-notch retailers from grocers such as Publix, Walmart and Winn-Dixie, to restaurants, clothing boutiques and specialty service businesses.

Convenient access to shopping plazas is high priority to residents; therefore The Villages Shopping Plazas are strategically placed throughout the community. Magnolia Plaza, the 12th shopping center of The Villages, is currently being developed and is expected to be completed in 2020.

[John_W]

OH Also the Bridge that was to be finished by Jan 2010 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

You mean 2020? It's finished, it just doesn't go anywhere.

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[justjim]

Close to 5,000 new people move into The Villages in new homes a year. You would be hard pressed to find similar building going on elsewhere in the Country. The Villages is a phenomenon that defies most companies marketing strategies. The other big difference between The Villages and other 55 Adult Communities is that the Village Developer controls most of the land, all the new houses, most of the commercial properties and has designed The Villages so golf cart access is controlled by The Developer. Gary Morse and his “family team” have designed a phenomenal planned unit development that is admired by not only other Developers but also by those who have purchased here. Is it perfect and are there “bumps in the road? Of course. If I was 20 years younger, I would have been one of the pioneers that moved south of State Route 44. Patience my friends (I can understand some of your frustration) it will all come together in the next 18 months or so. Fore.

[retiredguy123]

Pine Ridge is close to 8mi from a square.

Everglades will be less than 4 mi once the connectors are in.
By my calculations, Pine Ridge is about 5 miles from Lake Sumter and about 6 miles from Brownwood. But, it is also within a mile of 2 grocery stores, 3 drug stores, 2 rec centers, and 8 restaurants. Who needs a square?

[Altavia]

By my calculations, Pine Ridge is about 5 miles from Lake Sumter and about 6 miles from Brownwood. But, it is also within a mile of 2 grocery stores, 3 drug stores, 2 rec centers, and 8 restaurants. Who needs a square?

Recalculate from the Eastern edge in Fruitland...

[asianthree]

OH Also the Bridge that was to be finished by Jan 2010 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

Pennacamp was just being built in 2010. We bought a house in April 2010. Brownwood was not in any of our sights then much less a bridge.

[retiredguy123]

Recalculate from the Eastern edge in Fruitland...
I did. According to Google Maps, the closest square is Lake Sumter, 5.2 miles. The distance to Brownwood is 6.6 miles.

[asianthree]

Why don,t we all get together and demand the finish the Plaza !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you have the availability to sign a lease on commercial property, bet you can get that grocery you want. With A few thousand people in the new area, and not all home sold are being occupied, or rented out, or are snow birds. You would be donating lots of fresh food, meat, and dairy. Give the developer a call I am sure they are more than willing to get that contract going.

I am sure you know If there is not a lease in place, for a grocery, you can’t build the shell until you know what’s going in it.

When we came in 07 LSL was a ghost town, there were multiple villages completed. Yet for shopping and dining you Went to SS.

Everyone who pioneered into a new area gets to experience the effects of waiting for retail. I just think most of us were so happy to be here, we seemed to be much more patient in the next adventure the developer offered. Brick and Mortar are becoming a thing of the past generations. As the 40s and 50s move here, retail will change.

90% of my grocery, pet food, and all of my other essentials come to my front door. Advantage is it Keeps you on budget, no impulse buying

[Ashley from UK]

Brick and Mortar are becoming a thing of the past generations. As the 40s and 50s move here, retail will change.

90% of my grocery, pet food, and all of my other essentials come to my front door.

You are so RIGHT. My company specializes in retail, especially F&B and we design stores all over the world. B&M is a thing of the past, look around the empty shopping malls in the US, you are not alone this picture is replicated worldwide. AMAZON is partly to blame, as am I for using Amazon...

We have seen the introduction of food trucks which some hate but new wave entrepreneurs are flocking to instead of careers in banking and finance (in London at least). Yes, it would be great to have Magnolia built for when we (eventually) move out more permanently (OK 6 months a year due to VISAs), but all the time someone can deliver our groceries then hell we are happy. Retail will change - as will the shopping habits of future generations and TV are right to consider this in their future developments. What is worse no shops or empty boarded up shops?

The best things come to those that wait...

[tghoul]

I quoted possible reasons for the delay.

I was told by a Rec. Dept. employee Publix has decided not to build in Magnolia Plaza

[billlaur]

I don't know how you guys survive down there..so far away from civilization...:pray:

[coffeebean]

Pine Ridge is close to 8mi from a square.

Everglades will be less than 4 mi once the connectors are in.

Everglades is a are recreation center, not a town square.

[vintageogauge]

Recalculate from the Eastern edge in Fruitland...

From my home in Fenney it's mapped at 5.7 miles to Paddock Square, even less if you know the shortcut, not all that far to Publix and all the restaurants in that area.

[coffeebean]

Who needs a square?
Music at the Town Squares every night of the year (weather permitting) was promised when we first bought in The Villages. The ability to listen and dance to live music and enjoy Happy Hour drinks is a great reason to want a town square. I know it’s not for everyone which is probably why you don’t need a Town Square.

[Bogie Shooter]

I was told by a Rec. Dept. employee Publix has decided not to build in Magnolia Plaza

:a040:

[Bogie Shooter]

Music at the Town Squares every night of the year (weather permitting) was promised when we first bought in The Villages. The ability to listen and dance to live music and enjoy Happy Hour drinks is a great reason to want a town square. I know it’s not for everyone which is probably why you don’t need a Town Square.

Just wondering how many nights a week you go dancing at the squares?

[pacjag]

I was told by a Rec. Dept. employee Publix has decided not to build in Magnolia Plaza

No surprise since there is a Publix just up Morse on 44. I suspect a Winn Dixie will anchor Magnolia Plaza.

[Altavia]

Everglades is a are recreation center, not a town square.

Correct, brain fart on my end, meant Brownwood.

[VillageIdiots]

Unfortunately, the OP did nothing more than provide another thread for the southern expansion bashing that never seems to end. We bought south of 44 knowing full well there was no cart connectivity, no restaurants nearby, and no grocery store yet. I don't consider a car trip to Brownwood or to the Lake Deaton Publix to be that much of an inconvenience. I also understand that smart businesses are not going to build and open up based on future potential. They need the right demographic and population to start making a profit from day 1. Am I a little disappointed that they built a parking lot at Magnolia, put up a wall, and then stopped, yes - but I assume there is good reason and am willing to wait. Am I a little disappointed that connectivity was advertised, not rumored, but advertised to be completed by January of 2020 but the turnpike bridge is still, well, sitting on the side of the turnpike? Yes, a little, but I assume there is good reason and am willing to wait. What I'm more disappointed in is the lack of information and transparency about why these things are what they are. It only fuels the rumor mill to be so hush-hush about it. Most of us are grown ups - just let us know the good reasons for these things - we'll be disappointed, still, but most will understand. I've heard rumors about why Magnolia Plaza is stalled, or about why the turnpike bridge is delayed. They may be true, as they seemed logical to me, or they may not be true. A little honesty and transparency goes a long way with reasonable people. For months I heard the bridges wouldn't be open until well after January, but all I saw was progress being made toward that goal. It wasn't until I saw a recent VMail announcing connectivity in Spring of 2020 that I actually heard from TV themselves that the rumors were true. However, the announcement was not made with any acknowledgement that the timeline was different than what was previously announced - it was just stated as if that had been the plan all along. Someone asked earlier - what are your plans to do something about it? Me, nothing. Like I said, I can wait. I just don't think it's unreasonable to communicate some facts about what's going on and why things are the way they are. We don't need all the inside info or glimpses into the closely guarded trade secrets - just enough so that it's more understandable.

[Bogie Shooter]

I find it shameful that you (villageidiots) and your neighbors,have to come on here nearly every day and defend why you live south of CR44.
At every opportunity or created opportunity the bashers come out. Many of them don't live in that area so why do they have these negative comments to offer?
Just what does the bashing accomplish?

[VillageIdiots]

I find it shameful that you (villageidiots) and your neighbors,have to come on here nearly every day and defend why you live south of CR44.
At every opportunity or created opportunity the bashers come out. Many of them don't live in that area so why do they have these negative comments to offer?
Just what does the bashing accomplish?

Thanks but I don't feel I am defending or have to defend my decisions. I don't expect or need to change other's opinions in order to justify my own. Just putting them out there just as the bashers are doing with their own. There are many that don't think we should be happy down here, but we are. Then there are all of us that are happy down here and think everyone else should be as well. They are not likely to change my mind just as I'm not likely to change their's.

[claytocl]

I don't understand people who live in Continental CC and their obsession with TV. Is it envy?
It’s not envy, it’s disgust.

[Kenswing]

It’s not envy, it’s disgust.
What exactly is it that you find disgusting with The Villages?

[vintageogauge]

It’s not envy, it’s disgust.

So we should assume the no one living there uses The Villages disgusting shopping and entertainment???

[coffeebean]

Just wondering how many nights a week you go dancing at the squares?

We go often enough to know there are regulars who frequent the town squares. We don’t dance but love to listen to the live music.

[PugMom]

it's such a short distance to kristine way, it wasn't a deal-breaker then and it isn't now. some people are never happy, i suppose

[Nell57]

Kieth DB has a valid observation. Yes, The Villages has gone through many stages of development, and often growing pains. The Historic Side and Spanish Springs were young, and people did go to Ocala/Leesburg for Medical Care. But there was beautiful architecture, restaurants and amenities. When Gary Morse developed Sumter Landing area he hired developers from Disney to lay out the area. There are numerous Country Clubs with restaurants and large regional centers with lots of golf courses and rec centers. Sumter Landing itself was built in the middle of watermelon fields, then home sales developed around it.
We are now in the third and fourth generation of “The Family” as developers. Where is the town Square, that we can get to by golf cart, with unique architecture? Is it even on the drawing boards? Where are the Country Clubs with restaurants? Where are the restaurants and grocery stores?
It seems disingenuous to run trolley tours through Sumter Landing and Brownwood, and promise prospective homeowners this “Lifestyle”. Generation Three needs to follow Gary Morse’s development plan.....amenities first then home sales will follow.

[Bay Kid]

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Always try to enjoy.

[Bogie Shooter]

Kieth DB has a valid observation. Yes, The Villages has gone through many stages of development, and often growing pains. The Historic Side and Spanish Springs were young, and people did go to Ocala/Leesburg for Medical Care. But there was beautiful architecture, restaurants and amenities. When Gary Morse developed Sumter Landing area he hired developers from Disney to lay out the area. There are numerous Country Clubs with restaurants and large regional centers with lots of golf courses and rec centers. Sumter Landing itself was built in the middle of watermelon fields, then home sales developed around it.
We are now in the third and fourth generation of “The Family” as developers. Where is the town Square, that we can get to by golf cart, with unique architecture? Is it even on the drawing boards? Where are the Country Clubs with restaurants? Where are the restaurants and grocery stores?
It seems disingenuous to run trolley tours through Sumter Landing and Brownwood, and promise prospective homeowners this “Lifestyle”. Generation Three needs to follow Gary Morse’s development plan.....amenities first then home sales will follow.

Are you a village resident? Which village?

[retiredguy123]

I was told by a Rec. Dept. employee Publix has decided not to build in Magnolia Plaza
Here is a recent email from Publix.

Good morning,

This email is in response to your recent inquiry regarding a proposed Publix in Magnolia Plaza and Trailwinds Shopping Center in Sumter County. I can now confirm that we have a signed lease for Magnolia Plaza. The construction for Magnolia Plaza is projected to begin in late spring of 2020, in “perfect world” conditions, it takes approximately 9 months to build a Publix from the ground up. Construction on Trailwinds Village has started and is projected to be complete in the fall of 2020. The sites are being developed by two different developers.

For more new store information, please be sure to check our website by following the link provided: New Store Openings | Newsroom | About Publix | Publix Super Markets (http://corporate.publix.com/about-publix/newsroom/new-store-openings)

We highly value comments from our customers and I would like to thank you for taking time to express your interest in seeing a Publix in your area and hope to see you at both openings. Please feel free to contact me if you have any further comments or questions.

Thank you,
Paula Cameron
Publix Real Estate Department
Assistant to Jon Adams and Sarah Wright
(863) 688-7407 ext 52621
paula.cameron@publix.com

[coffeebean]

Many of the threads are started by people who haven’t moved yet to The Villages and are asking us about location. I don’t consider these threads “bashing” threads. Folks are more than willing to inform prospective buyers of the positives and negatives of the different areas of our beautiful community. It is up to these prospective buyers to take the information and come on down and check it all out for themselves.

[Bogie Shooter]

Here is a recent email from Publix.

Good morning,

This email is in response to your recent inquiry regarding a proposed Publix in Magnolia Plaza and Trailwinds Shopping Center in Sumter County. I can now confirm that we have a signed lease for Magnolia Plaza. The construction for Magnolia Plaza is projected to begin in late spring of 2020, in “perfect world” conditions, it takes approximately 9 months to build a Publix from the ground up. Construction on Trailwinds Village has started and is projected to be complete in the fall of 2020. The sites are being developed by two different developers.

For more new store information, please be sure to check our website by following the link provided: New Store Openings | Newsroom | About Publix | Publix Super Markets (http://corporate.publix.com/about-publix/newsroom/new-store-openings)

We highly value comments from our customers and I would like to thank you for taking time to express your interest in seeing a Publix in your area and hope to see you at both openings. Please feel free to contact me if you have any further comments or questions.

Thank you,
Paula Cameron
Publix Real Estate Department
Assistant to Jon Adams and Sarah Wright
(863) 688-7407 ext 52621
paula.cameron@publix.com

Confusing rumors with facts.....:BigApplause:

[Ashley from UK]

Here is a recent email from Publix.

For more new store information, please be sure to check our website by following the link provided: New Store Openings | Newsroom | About Publix | Publix Super Markets (http://corporate.publix.com/about-publix/newsroom/new-store-openings)



Thank you for posting. Unfortunately due to EC regulations Brits cannot see the link as this (and many other US websites) are not available for viewing outside the US. Can you take a screen print and publish it. THANK YOU.

[cmj1210]

This was posted on Nextdoor. Maybe will give you the information you are looking for.

Here is the response from Publix Real Estate Department:

Good morning,

This email is in response to your recent inquiry regarding a proposed Publix in Magnolia Plaza and Trailwinds Shopping Center in Sumter County. I can now confirm that we have a signed lease for Magnolia Plaza. The construction for Magnolia Plaza is projected to begin in late spring of 2020, in “perfect world” conditions, it takes approximately 9 months to build a Publix from the ground up. Construction on Trailwinds Village has started and is projected to be complete in the fall of 2020. The sites are being developed by two different developers.

For more new store information, please be sure to check our website by following the link provided: New Store Openings | Newsroom | About Publix | Publix Super Markets (http://corporate.publix.com/about-publix/newsroom/new-store-openings)

We highly value comments from our customers and I would like to thank you for taking time to express your interest in seeing a Publix in your area and hope to see you at both openings. Please feel free to contact me if you have any further comments or questions.

Thank you,
Paula Cameron
Publix Real Estate Department
Assistant to Jon Adams and Sarah Wright
(863) 688-7407 ext 52621
paula.cameron@publix.com

[John_W]

Last night, NYE I was in the bleachers at Brownwood and watching the Hooligans perform. The crowd was huge. We arrived at 4:20 and all the folding chairs had been set up in advance, which is normal the last couple of years for bigger bands. Every chair had already been taken, so we got in the front row of the bleachers, and we had our cushions.

We sat next to a couple and he mentioned he lives south of 44 in one of the new Villages. I asked if he was a golfer and he said, that was one of the reasons he moved here. He plays the executives there, I think he said there was five and he owns a golf cart. He became friends with some of the Ambassadors at the executives and found they all live north and play as a group every week. He hooked with them, and so once a week he drives his car to a championship course and gets a golf cart for free and plays with that group. He didn't seem to mind the little inconvenience.

[JoMar]

106 posts and climbing....wow :)

[Sabrina&Bill]

Many of the threads are started by people who haven’t moved yet to The Villages and are asking us about location.

To ALL the Villagers who post on TOTV, THANK YOU! My wife and I are future Villagers and plan to sell our home in California and have it ready to sell in April. Best scenario, we could be ready to buy in TV in early summer. We spent 5 days there (Lifestlye Visit) back in late October, fell in love with everything there! Our Villages real estate agent is terrific. She showed us pre-owed and new homes there. She also explained about buyin a parcel there as well. We are open to all three options but I have a feeling we will end up South of 44 and this is why I am making this post now. Besides what I have learned from YouTube (Thank You goldwingnut and Jerry & Linda) and I have gathered so much useful info here on TOTV. I mostly follow posts related to living South of 44 but also have looked at posts about best restaurants, pros/cons of gas vs electric golf carts, and treating (filter vs softener) the water that comes into your home. Because of all this information that you have shared here, we will be better prepared the day we move in. Thank YOU again! I downloaded TV app during out visit and use it EVERY DAY here scouring the app for new homes. We really like The Woodside (Designer Home) Floor Plan. I see that many are spread out among the new Villages South of 44. I’ve even made a list of the Woodsides and keeping track of when they sell. Because I have a feeling that most, if not all, will sell before we arrive there ready to buy, I am most interested in any info of new building going on there. Looking at the map on the app, I can guess at areas where new construction would take place. For example, in TV of DeSoto, there looks like an “L” shaped piece of land there that is left undeveloped. Also, land West of Fenney, close to The Grey Fox golf course. And a last piece of property in Marsh Bend that is in the west side of that Village. We would like to stay away noise (turn pike & RC’s) and power lines. I’ve read that both TV’s of Bradford and Chitty Chatty will break ground soon? Any info on those areas will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[retiredguy123]

Thank you for posting. Unfortunately due to EC regulations Brits cannot see the link as this (and many other US websites) are not available for viewing outside the US. Can you take a screen print and publish it. THANK YOU.
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[kkeennyy]

We should band together to get a couple of things dune that we was told would be finished !!!!!!!!

[Ashley from UK]

I am most interested in any info of new building going on there. Looking at the map on the app, I can guess at areas where new construction would take place.

I found this link on Aldi website. If you scroll the map down to Marsh Bend area and zoom in it shows EVERY single lot and the house number, overlay that to the Villages website and you'll have a good idea of what's coming up in the next 3 -6 months.

Aldi in Wildwood, 5643 Seven Mile Drive, telephone number and opening times (https://www.ilikesales.com/wildwood-fl/leaflet/aldi-5643-seven-mile-drive)

[Woodsapple]

Thank you cmj1210! So it appears that construction of the Publix Store MIGHT START in late spring this year. The nine month time frame to build would seem reasonable. So “late spring” to start with completion in the SPRING of 2021 appears to be the likely timeframe. Big disappointment! We moved to Marsh Bend in August of 2019 with the idea that Magnolia Plaza would be opening in early spring, 2020, with a grocery store, some sort of gas station/golf cart store, and a restaurant or two with a few misc stores to follow.
So now the turnpike bridge becomes an even bigger issue. Without it, any villager south of 44 cannot get to the rest of The Villages via golf cart, which is much of what The Villages is about. We are happy to be here in The Villages and would not change it. But The Villages needs to make a formal statement on the REALISTIC estimated COMPLETION DATE of the Publix store, as well as the other stores and businesses in Magnolia Plaza, and the COMPLETION date for the turnpike bridge. By the way, to all the Villagers north of 44, there are hundreds, soon to be thousands, of Villages homes south of 44. With upcoming new Villages (DeLuna, Bradford, Chittagong Chatty, and possibly others) this year, there will be even more, and will quickly double in a year or two. “The Villages” urgently needs to give residents of “Southern Oaks” a truthful statement as to when the turnpike bridge will be completed, as well as an opening date for the Magnolia Plaza stores!

[JoMar]

Thank you cmj1210! So it appears that construction of the Publix Store MIGHT START in late spring this year. The nine month time frame to build would seem reasonable. So “late spring” to start with completion in the SPRING of 2021 appears to be the likely timeframe. Big disappointment! We moved to Marsh Bend in August of 2019 with the idea that Magnolia Plaza would be opening in early spring, 2020, with a grocery store, some sort of gas station/golf cart store, and a restaurant or two with a few misc stores to follow.
So now the turnpike bridge becomes an even bigger issue. Without it, any villager south of 44 cannot get to the rest of The Villages via golf cart, which is much of what The Villages is about. We are happy to be here in The Villages and would not change it. But The Villages needs to make a formal statement on the REALISTIC estimated COMPLETION DATE of the Publix store, as well as the other stores and businesses in Magnolia Plaza, and the COMPLETION date for the turnpike bridge. By the way, to all the Villagers north of 44, there are hundreds, soon to be thousands, of Villages homes south of 44. With upcoming new Villages (DeLuna, Bradford, Chittagong Chatty, and possibly others) this year, there will be even more, and will quickly double in a year or two. “The Villages” urgently needs to give residents of “Southern Oaks” a truthful statement as to when the turnpike bridge will be completed, as well as an opening date for the Magnolia Plaza stores!

No they don't. Not sure where you came from but did every municipality or developer give you firm dates on everything they did and meet every date? Reality is they want it completed as quickly as you do, it means revenue to them.

[asianthree]

We should band together to get a couple of things dune that we was told would be finished !!!!!!!!

So as you put up $$$$ I am sure many will follow. $$$ that’s how you will get what you want.

However every business plan is exactly that, to ensure profits. Until there is enough people to ensure profits, no business will build.

We have seen many changes, since 2007. I just don’t remember anyone so unhappy about how things progressed.

[charmed59]

I gotta admit I’m surprised. When we got official word from the developer of the dates for the shopping center and bridges I believed them. They have a proven track record of hitting their dates.

I guess FDOT wasn’t as easy to work with on bridges as they had planned. And with Winn Dixie’s parent company reorganizing it gave the developer less options on finding reputable grocers willing to lease in Magnolia Plaza. And perhaps grocers in this area, such as Publix, had to do a bit more research before committing.

[billethkid]

Expectations met = 99.37625%

Expectations met on the date "promised"/interpreted = who cares.

[tophcfa]

I gotta admit I’m surprised. When we got official word from the developer of the dates for the shopping center and bridges I believed them. They have a proven track record of hitting their dates.

I guess FDOT wasn’t as easy to work with on bridges as they had planned. And with Winn Dixie’s parent company reorganizing it gave the developer less options on finding reputable grocers willing to lease in Magnolia Plaza. And perhaps grocers in this area, such as Publix, had to do a bit more research before committing.

Publix is just waiting for critical mass so that when they finally open up there will be consistent lines at the check out. Who can blame them, it’s sound business practice.

[John_W]

Ronnie Clark just posted this photo on TV facebook page. The future is near.

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[pacjag]

Looks like progress, but when I have looked to the other side of the 44 bridge there has been no work there yet.

[John_W]

Looks like progress, but when I have looked to the other side of the 44 bridge there has been no work there yet.

Look across the bridge in the photo, appears the base layer of a cart path and a high retaining wall have been installed. Paving should be next, however beyond that you're probably right, the bridge to nowhere.

[asianthree]

Look across the bridge in the photo, appears the base layer of a cart path and a high retaining wall have been installed. Paving should be next, however beyond that you're probably right, the bridge to nowhere.

The bridge is going somewhere, to a pile of sand that would scare the crap out of most if you drove there past sunset, still a construction zone. How could developer condone driving a cart in a construction zone.

[pacjag]

Look across the bridge in the photo, appears the base layer of a cart path and a high retaining wall have been installed. Paving should be next, however beyond that you're probably right, the bridge to nowhere.

The bridge in the photo is the pond bridge which leads to the highway 44 bridge, in the distance. Yes, that is the work I was referring to. On the other side of 44 I can not see that any work has been done. I guess they are going to do the approaches one at a time. After all, there is no hurry, apparently, since the bridge over the turnpike seems to be delayed.

[Two Bills]

I find this obsession with cart access quite amazing.
Why would anyone want to spend 30-40 minutes in a cart, for a 10+ minute journey in a car?
Stuff the cart access, all has been linked by road since the start!

[coffeebean]

I find this obsession with cart access quite amazing.
Why would anyone want to spend 30-40 minutes in a cart, for a 10+ minute journey in a car?
Stuff the cart access, all has been linked by road since the start!
I agree. We won't be traveling south of 44 in a golf cart. We are in Mallory Square and hubby refuses to drive the golf cart to Brownwood. Only way for us is by car to Brownwood. Points south of Brownwood would most certainly be by car for us.

Maybe for the folks south of 44, a trip to Brownwood is doable. Not sure if many folks south of 44 will travel to LSL or Spanish Springs via golf cart though. Some may venture out once or twice but I have a feeling after those trips, they will realize the car is the way to go to points in northern Villages.

[vintageogauge]

I agree. We won't be traveling south of 44 in a golf cart. We are in Mallory Square and hubby refuses to drive the golf cart to Brownwood. Only way for us is by car to Brownwood. Points south of Brownwood would most certainly be by car for us.

Maybe for the folks south of 44, a trip to Brownwood is doable. Not sure if many folks south of 44 will travel to LSL or Spanish Springs via golf cart though. Some may venture out once or twice but I have a feeling after those trips, they will realize the car is the way to go to points in northern Villages.

I live in Fenney and am in no hurry to see everything connected. I might take one ride to Brownwood just to see how long it takes but doubt that I'll do it more than once. I would be more interested in riding over to Chitty Chatty and Bradford to see what's going on. This is getting to be so big down here that a golf car doesn't make a lot of sense other than golf.

[JoMar]

I don't understand those that are retired and still judge access by how fast they can get there. At this point in life I find the journey is as interesting as the destination and the golf cart gives us that. It's not unusual for us, and most of our friends, find it not unusual to take a day and go for a ride that exceeds 25 miles in a cart. Frankly it's ok that you take a car, keeps our congestion down :)

[coffeebean]

I don't understand those that are retired and still judge access by how fast they can get there. At this point in life I find the journey is as interesting as the destination and the golf cart gives us that. It's not unusual for us, and most of our friends, find it not unusual to take a day and go for a ride that exceeds 25 miles in a cart. Frankly it's ok that you take a car, keeps our congestion down :)

The time it takes to arrive at one's destination is part of the equation. For me, the rest of the equation is the comfort of the ride. I prefer the climate control of a car. I know there are Atomic golf carts which offer this too but we don't own one of those carts and don't plan to purchase one. Climate control is just one aspect of comfort for us (hubby and me). We like the smooth ride and quietness that our car offers, especially for a ride that is 25 miles.

To each his/her own. If everyone wanted the same things in life..... life would be boring.

[capecoralbill]

Lookee there, a first time poster. welcome.

One enormous thing that Gary et al has done is separate and widen the cart paths. Much safer than north of 466.

Still, No sidewalks.

[jblum315]

I don’t think golf carts were ever meant for long distances. They are designed for golf courses, for pity’s sake

[jblum315]

I guess there were people who still preferred to travel by horse and carriage after automobiles became widely available. Dunno.