Many people I know think that Gary Senise should have been Time's Person of the Year.

[graciegirl]

I think almost everyone finds his kindness and outreach such a good thing.


Would you think he would have made a good person of the year for Time Magazine this year???

[Nucky]

dewilson58 Hands Down! Very Helpful!

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I will geaux for Ed Orgeron

[JSR22]

I think Greta Thunberg is an excellent choice.

[Taltarzac725]

I think Greta Thunberg is an excellent choice.

Me too.:icon_wink:

[billethkid]

Another vote for Gary Senise.
He is an anomaly in the entertainment/hollywood crowd.....hence will not ever get it!!!

[EdFNJ]

I think almost everyone finds his kindness and outreach such a good thing.

But again perhaps there are those who don't find him admirable.

Would you think he would have made a good person of the year for Time Magazine this year???

That is not a yes/no question you posed. How could anyone not find him "admirable?" However Time's Person of the Year wasn't necessarily meant for a "good person." As I'm sure you have read in the past Hitler once made it to the cover. Yes, Senise would qualify along with hundreds perhaps thousands of other generous, giving and selfless public as well as anonymous persons around the world. I have read it is based upon how the "chosen person" has had an affect on the entire world.

Does he deserve recognition, definitely YES, but should he have been chosen even if he was "on the list", IMO probably not.

[Taltarzac725]

Another vote for Gary Senise.
He is an anomaly in the entertainment/hollywood crowd.....hence will not ever get it!!!

Jeremy Renner is doing great stuff for his community in Washoe County, Nevada. This is according to the various Reno, Nevada area media, police, fire and other Facebook contacts I have.

[Bucco]

That is not a yes/no question you posed. How could anyone not find him "admirable?" However Time's Person of the Year wasn't necessarily meant for a "good person." As I'm sure you have read in the past Hitler once made it to the cover. Yes, Senise would qualify along with hundreds perhaps thousands of other generous, giving and selfless public as well as anonymous persons around the world. I have read it is based upon how the "chosen person" has had an affect on the entire world.

Does he deserve recognition, definitely YES, but should he have been chosen even if he was "on the list", IMO probably not.

Right on post.

He is a nice admirable and honorable man who deserves recognition but not on this platform.

His vigorous defense of John McCain when McCain was being personally smeared by the government because of his service stands out to me.

I think much too much is made of this award myself, but the young lady who won the cover is certainly qualified.

[graciegirl]

I also don't think people who are handicapped or disabled should be used as political pawns.

[Kilmacowen]

I think Greta Thunberg is an excellent choice.

I agree. :a040::clap2:

[graciegirl]

Here is the Times Magazine stated criteria;

Person of the Year (called Man of the Year or Woman of the Year until 1999) is an annual issue of the United States news magazine Time that features and profiles a person, a group, an idea, or an object that "for better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the year".

Many of my friends have also mentioned the Hong Kong activists for Democracy.

[rustyp]

I have wondered over and over what RustyP stands for.

Merry Christmas RustyP.

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[blueash]

I also don't think people who are handicapped or disabled should be used as political pawns.

Gracie, please explain this post. You started this thread seemingly to create controversy regarding a climate activist's selection as person of the year, then you add a comment about people with disability not being used as pawns.

Are you suggesting that Greta is a disabled person being used as a pawn? That her Asperger's makes her unable to make her own choices and speak her own words, powerful words which have been heard by world leaders even if ignored, and inspired many members of her generation and older ones. She has become a spokesperson for a concern that almost all of the world shares, and done it with grace and even courage. But you seem to be claiming she is a pawn who is disabled and therefore not responsible for what she says and does.. or am I reading your comment wrongly?

[Madelaine Amee]

Gracie, please explain this post. You started this thread seemingly to create controversy regarding a climate activist's selection as person of the year, then you add a comment about people with disability not being used as pawns.

Are you suggesting that Greta is a disabled person being used as a pawn? That her Asperger's makes her unable to make her own choices and speak her own words, powerful words which have been heard by world leaders even if ignored, and inspired many members of her generation and older ones. She has become a spokesperson for a concern that almost all of the world shares, and done it with grace and even courage. But you seem to be claiming she is a pawn who is disabled and therefore not responsible for what she says and does.. or am I reading your comment wrongly?

Blueash, I don't know who you are, but I sure wish I did. I think you are reading GG right on. You always hit the nail on the head with such clarity and commonsense.

[rustyp]

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[ColdNoMore]

I think Greta Thunberg is an excellent choice.

Yep.

Gives real hope for the future. :thumbup:

[Moderator]

Many posts have been removed from this thread. What began as a simple statement in support of for the generous actions of a person degenerates into name calling, finger pointing, political, and directed posts. Kind of ironic in view of the other thread bemoaning the tone of many posts on TOTV. To paraphrase the words of Pogo, we have met the enemy, and it is all of us.

Moderator

[ColdNoMore]

Many posts have been removed from this thread. What began as a simple statement in support of for the generous actions of a person degenerates into name calling, finger pointing, political, and directed posts. Kind of ironic in view of the other thread bemoaning the tone of many posts on TOTV. To paraphrase the words of Pogo, we have met the enemy, and it is all of us.

Moderator

Thank you for keeping it civil, impersonal...and on-point. :thumbup:

[graciegirl]

Many things have been said, the thread was closed and now reopened.

I wonder if Time Magazine is struggling with circulation at all.

It is clear that Times criteria for the Person of the year award is not who is most liked and admired.

Here it is verbatim;

"Person of the Year is an annual issue of the United States news magazine Time that features and profiles a person, a group, an idea, or an object that "for better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the year".

[tophcfa]

I think almost everyone finds his kindness and outreach such a good thing.


Would you think he would have made a good person of the year for Time Magazine this year???

Yes, I think Gary would have made a great person of the year, but I don’t get a vote : (

[ColdNoMore]

I think Greta Thunberg is an excellent choice.

This year, they definitely nailed the..."for better" part. :thumbup:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I think Greta Thunberg ticked every box of "criteria" that Time Magazine uses to select their person of the year. Gary Senise is nice, generous, lovely. But nice, generous, and lovely are not criteria for earning Time Magazine Person of the Year award.

[John_W]

I read the Sun everyday but watch no TV news, I hate hearing about politics and crime, which is why I moved to TV. We do have on HLN quite often because my wife likes the court trials which they sometimes cover since Courtv went off the air. This girl Greta, I have never heard her name or know anything about her until now. I find this amazing that she is this well known and yet I had to google her to know what this was about. I find it hard to believe that some would want her to be a person of the year for simply making tweets online about the weather. That doesn't seem to qualify for a person such as Gary Sinese or my suggestion of a couple of years ago, Tim Tebo which was deleted from this thread for some reason that is beyond me These are people who actually accomplish meaningful things that help people in need.

[Northwoods]

I read the Sun everyday but watch no TV news, I hate hearing about politics and crime, which is why I moved to TV. We do have on HLN quite often because my wife likes the court trials which they sometimes cover since Courtv went off the air. This girl Greta, I have never heard her name or know anything about her until now. I find this amazing that she is this well known and yet I had to google her to know what this was about. I find it hard to believe that some would want her to be a person of the year for simply making tweets online about the weather. That doesn't seem to qualify for a person such as Gary Sinese or my suggestion of a couple of years ago, Tim Tebo which was deleted from this thread for some reason that is beyond me These are people who actually accomplish meaningful things that help people in need.

I agree with you. This person was not familiar to me. I'm sure she is in certain circles... but not to me. TO me... it just feeds the narrative about the media.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I read the Sun everyday but watch no TV news, I hate hearing about politics and crime, which is why I moved to TV. We do have on HLN quite often because my wife likes the court trials which they sometimes cover since Courtv went off the air. This girl Greta, I have never heard her name or know anything about her until now. I find this amazing that she is this well known and yet I had to google her to know what this was about. I find it hard to believe that some would want her to be a person of the year for simply making tweets online about the weather. That doesn't seem to qualify for a person such as Gary Sinese or my suggestion of a couple of years ago, Tim Tebo which was deleted from this thread for some reason that is beyond me These are people who actually accomplish meaningful things that help people in need.

It wasn't for "simply making tweets online." She is, and has been famous all over the entire world (at least outside The Villages) for travelling the globe to spread her message to dignitaries and heads of state about climate change.

Living "in a bubble" is not just a catchy phrase to describe living in the Villages. Outside the Villages, it also means "refusing to acknowledge that reality is happening beyond your scope of vision." It sounds like that's why some Villagers are surprised that Greta is Person of the Year: because they see only what they want to see, and disregard the rest (credit to Simon & Garfunkel for The Boxer reference)

[Northwoods]

It wasn't for "simply making tweets online." She is, and has been famous all over the entire world (at least outside The Villages) for travelling the globe to spread her message to dignitaries and heads of state about climate change.

Living "in a bubble" is not just a catchy phrase to describe living in the Villages. Outside the Villages, it also means "refusing to acknowledge that reality is happening beyond your scope of vision." It sounds like that's why some Villagers are surprised that Greta is Person of the Year: because they see only what they want to see, and disregard the rest (credit to Simon & Garfunkel for The Boxer reference)

I don't exist in a bubble. I watch multiple news outlets (all mainstream national TV news outlets (NBC, ABC and CBS) in addition to cable and online). If you asked me who won TIME's person of the year. I can't tell you her name. I know of her... but that is it. I'm just telling you about my experience...
And please don't lecture me. Just understand I am telling you, based on the fact I watch mainstream news for a number of hours every day, it isn't something that was familiar to me.

[JimJohnson]

Gracie, please explain this post. You started this thread seemingly to create controversy regarding a climate activist's selection as person of the year, then you add a comment about people with disability not being used as pawns.

Are you suggesting that Greta is a disabled person being used as a pawn? That her Asperger's makes her unable to make her own choices and speak her own words, powerful words which have been heard by world leaders even if ignored, and inspired many members of her generation and older ones. She has become a spokesperson for a concern that almost all of the world shares, and done it with grace and even courage. But you seem to be claiming she is a pawn who is disabled and therefore not responsible for what she says and does.. or am I reading your comment wrongly?

:bigbow:

[Rosebud2020]

I read the Sun everyday but watch no TV news, I hate hearing about politics and crime, which is why I moved to TV. We do have on HLN quite often because my wife likes the court trials which they sometimes cover since Courtv went off the air. I have never heard her name or know anything about her until now. I find this amazing that she is this well known and yet I had to google her to know what this was about. I find it hard to believe that some would want her to be a person of the year for simply making tweets online about the weather. That doesn't seem to qualify for a person such as Gary Sinese or my suggestion of a couple of years ago, Tim Tebo which was deleted from this thread for some reason that is beyond me These are people who actually accomplish meaningful things that help people in need.

I agree with you. This person was not familiar to me. I'm sure she is in certain circles... but not to me. TO me... it just feeds the narrative about the media.


If someone is not familiar with Greta I suggest they only watch and read a specific form of news. She was chosen for far more than her tweets! Or perhaps there is a misunderstanding of Time's criteria for being selected the person or thing of the year, even after reading exactly what their criteria are??? Simply helping people in need is not a reason for becoming Time's Person of the Year.

Furthermore, I don't believe moving to The Villages is the place people move because they don't want to hear about politics. That is truly laughable! If one does not receive any type of news via the media (TV, newspaper, Internet), how does anyone know about what is going on locally or throughout the world???

[graciegirl]

:bigbow:

I posted a very clear reason why I believe what I do. I am very familiar with this situation personally and as founder of the Williams Syndrome Association started in the early eighties. Yes I do believe that Greta Lunsberg is used as a pawn. Not only because she is young but because she has Autism Spectrum Disorder. Please Google "or Bing" Greta Thunbergs mothers book. Greta has been criticized for being cheeky and inappropriate when we are seeing her disorder. It is the new trend to idolize youngsters given a microphone. They do have wonderful ideas and much promise, but many are simply used or touted because what they said lines up with a popular debate.

[rustyp]

Was not the question should Gary Senise have been Time Magazine's person of the year. All these post and not one mention of Gary's contributions and attributes Vs the selection criteria. A disservice to a great American Patriot. This has turned into the Greta post.

[queasy27]

What began as a simple statement in support of for the generous actions of a person...

If that actually was the intent, it should have been presented that way instead of as a backhanded slap at a different person. I have no idea what Gary Sinise has done wrt philanthropy or good works and would have been interested to hear about it.

And let's not forget that the personal computer was Time's Man of the year in 1986!

[GoodLife]

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[Aloha1]

I thought Time magazine has gone out of business. This "Person of the Year' is really irrelevant compared to the reality of the thousands of people helping others. This is nothing more than 15 minutes of fame.

[Bucco]

I thought Time magazine has gone out of business. This "Person of the Year' is really irrelevant compared to the reality of the thousands of people helping others. This is nothing more than 15 minutes of fame.

"Time has the world's largest circulation for a weekly news magazine. The print edition has a readership of 26 million, 20 million of whom are based in the United States. "

Time (magazine - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_(magazine))

[John_W]

...Furthermore, I don't believe moving to The Villages is the place people move because they don't want to hear about politics. That is truly laughable! If one does not receive any type of news via the media (TV, newspaper, Internet), how does anyone know about what is going on locally or throughout the world???

How do I know about what is going on locally, I guess you missed the part where I said I read the Sun everyday, that's how. What's goes on in Washington I could care less. It's amazing when I'm on the treadmill at MVP most mornings and my Tv has on ESPN "Get Up" with Mike Greenberg and I see all the other screens tuned into this media show on the other channels. I think, this was just like the 80's with Iran/Contra all over Tv, and where did that go, nowhere.

Moving here to avoid crime, I can tell you I grew in St. Petersburg, that's two hours away and I graduated from SPHS in '68. I considered that, I lived in Pensacola for six years and I considered that place, and I lived in Savannah for 8 years and I considered that place. The TV won out, for exactly the reasons I mentioned.

[graciegirl]

People don't listen. They believe what they want to believe. Some people know NOTHING about Autism Spectrum Disorder.

I think that Greta Thunberg and the president of the United State has it, as well as his son Barron.

I have no problem with the amazing abilities of anyone with Aspergers Syndrome. They are often smarter than most of the population in some areas, and sadly lacking in other skills such as ease of communication.

There are two points that matter to me on this subject.

One is using young disabled people to be a pawn for a political group.

And the other is using young able people to be a pawn for a political group...such as the vocal youngsters at Parkland High School.

They are kids, many of them so dear and nice and so full of dreams and hopes and visions. They aren't ready yet to run the world and they should never be used by groups to railroad their ideas.

[ColdNoMore]

Such vicious attacks on a disabled 16 year old young woman for a recognition (of which she had absolutely no vote/input), by supposed adults...tells a decent person all they need to know. :ohdear:

[JimJohnson]

This makes no sense.

I have lived here for 19 years. I am 80 years old.

I, along with any well read person in the world knows of this winner.

Why would you begin a thread, which seemingly was intended to bash the winner. You have questioned the motives,etc, and frankly since you mention Fox, that appears to be only source in the world who does not like the choice.
:bigbow:

[rustyp]

:popcorn:

How bout that Gary fellow what a good boy he is.

[Bucco]

:popcorn:

How bout that Gary fellow what a good boy he is.

He was used 😁

[John_W]

...Why would you begin a thread, which seemingly was intended to bash the winner. You have questioned the motives,etc, and frankly since you mention Fox, that appears to be only source in the world who does not like the choice.

Maybe she began the thread for the same reason you responded. Her intent was to bash a person she felt was undeserving of such an award. You seem intent on bashing her posts for the same reason, you felt her posts were undeserving. This doesn't make one more right than the other.

Every person has an opinion and hers and many others who have expressed their opinion have disagreed with Time's selection. It doesn't matter how big a magazine is in the world, size doesn't make it right or wrong. Fox has more viewers in the cable news market, does that make them more right. Of course not, and since Time is going the way of print, it's a dying media and needed a boost in ratings. Rather than take the high road they chose a controversial subject.

[graciegirl]

Maybe she began the thread for the same reason you responded. Her intent was to bash a person she felt was undeserving of such an award. You seem intent on bashing her posts for the same reason, you felt her posts were undeserving. This doesn't make one more right than the other.

Every person has an opinion and hers and many others who have expressed their opinion have disagreed with Time's selection. It doesn't matter how big a magazine is in the world, size doesn't make it right or wrong. Fox has more viewers in the cable news market, does that make them more right. Of course not, and since Time is going the way of print, it's a dying media and needed a boost in ratings. Rather than take the high road they chose a controversial subject.


I am going to print this now before it goes away, and fold it up and put it in my cookbook, where over the years I have saved notes and cards from people that have soothed my heart.

[Bucco]

Maybe she began the thread for the same reason you responded. Her intent was to bash a person she felt was undeserving of such an award. You seem intent on bashing her posts for the same reason, you felt her posts were undeserving. This doesn't make one more right than the other.

Every person has an opinion and hers and many others who have expressed their opinion have disagreed with Time's selection. It doesn't matter how big a magazine is in the world, size doesn't make it right or wrong. Fox has more viewers in the cable news market, does that make them more right. Of course not, and since Time is going the way of print, it's a dying media and needed a boost in ratings. Rather than take the high road they chose a controversial subject.

I propose that threads be begun with a clear, conscise message concerning what the thread is about....i.e., Gary Sinese, and not use this forum for backdoor entrances to tout political or Fox talk.

Start a thread, stay on subject.

Tell us, please what the "high road" might be, or should we guess. Everybody is not able to be bullied.

[graciegirl]

Such vicious attacks on a disabled 16 year old young woman for a recognition (of which she had absolutely no vote/input), by supposed adults...tells a decent person all they need to know. :ohdear:

People don't listen. They believe what they want to believe. Some people know NOTHING about Autism Spectrum Disorder.

I think that Greta Thunberg and the president of the United State has it, as well as his son Barron.

I have no problem with the amazing abilities of anyone with Aspergers Syndrome. They are often smarter than most of the population in some areas, and sadly lacking in other skills such as ease of communication.

There are two points that matter to me on this subject.

One is using young disabled people to be a pawn for a political group.

And the other is using young able people to be a pawn for a political group...such as the vocal youngsters at Parkland High School.

They are kids, many of them so dear and nice and so full of dreams and hopes and visions. They aren't ready yet to run the world and they should never be used by groups to railroad their ideas.
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[graciegirl]

There are those who think that if they line up this and that link it will change the mind of the reader..

We all have different abilities and lack of them as humans. Some minimize the strong abilities some have that can see right though people.

You cannot put lipstick on a pig and marry them off.

You cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

And you cannot change a person who was born mad.

[JimJohnson]

Maybe she began the thread for the same reason you responded. Her intent was to bash a person she felt was undeserving of such an award. You seem intent on bashing her posts for the same reason, you felt her posts were undeserving. This doesn't make one more right than the other.

Every person has an opinion and hers and many others who have expressed their opinion have disagreed with Time's selection. It doesn't matter how big a magazine is in the world, size doesn't make it right or wrong. Fox has more viewers in the cable news market, does that make them more right. Of course not, and since Time is going the way of print, it's a dying media and needed a boost in ratings. Rather than take the high road they chose a controversial subject.
Recommend you read the entire thread again. You have it wrong in my opinion. I have been following this thread and see the original post as an insult to TIME for picking an unworthy child for the honor. I also see this young girl as a hero and very deserving of person of the year.:pray:

[rustyp]

Now do you see why the political forum is gone. PS the moderator just arrived.