Green Fees Explode

[refeik]

The greed has exploded. Green fees at the championship courses increasing beyond any thing we could imagine. I am finished !!

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Phase II will be gridlocked executive courses.

[anothersteve]

And away we go!!!

Again


Steve

[CWGUY]

And away we go!!!

Again


Steve

:icon_wink: No! He's finished..... I read it. :popcorn:

[Northwoods]

The greed has exploded. Green fees at the championship courses increasing beyond any thing we could imagine. I am finished !!

:popcorn:

[CWGUY]

The greed has exploded. Green fees at the championship courses increasing beyond any thing we could imagine. I am finished !!

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/golf-villages-216/2020-championship-golf-rates-300596/?highlight=fees

:) Thread from last week. It explains alot and has much better info.than "the other site" which calls itself a :1rotfl: news site. Click bait site that hates anything Villages is more like it. They just posted a story on Villages Golf Cost tonight......I hope that's not where you got your misinformation. :ohdear: I don't mind when they make themselves look foolish..... but don't care for it when it happens to fellow Villagers who believe their rubbish and then repeats it. :ho:

[tophcfa]

Phase II will be gridlocked executive courses.

And Phase III will be when they start a priority membership for the executives (besides the trail fees).

[ColdNoMore]

And Phase III will be when they start a priority membership for the executives (besides the trail fees).

I think you nailed it. :thumbup:

It's just a matter of how many more years it will take them...to do exactly that. :ohdear:

I'm guessing it will happen in 2021.

[CWGUY]

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[rustyp]

And Phase III will be when they start a priority membership for the executives (besides the trail fees).

Yes but not to confuse it with the championship courses they will call it VIP golf.

[graciegirl]

The greed has exploded. Green fees at the championship courses increasing beyond any thing we could imagine. I am finished !!

Are you moving? The price at restaurants have gone up too. AND at Publix. I paid twenty bucks yesterday for a chuck roast that I would have paid ten for ten years ago.

If you are "finished", does that mean you will play golf somewhere else? I have stopped playing but my husband still enjoys having so many 18 hole courses within driving range of his golf cart. It will be hard to find a place this wonderful somewhere else.

I am eighty as of last month and can't remember ever when prices went down.

[ureout]

the was a change in the rate schedule last year.. we went from 3 seasons of rate changes to 2

we used to have winter rates which were always the highest then summer rates which were the lowest and then fall rates... this year we had the same rate from may to end of dec. and I actually thought it balanced out if you play all year ...

so actually the rate increase for winter compared only to last years WINTER rates was minimal

they have yet to post what the upcoming may to dec rates are for 2020

[ladybugsmom]

The greed has exploded. Green fees at the championship courses increasing beyond any thing we could imagine. I am finished !!
Agree! So how do we approach/fight this?....

[bilcon]

:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:I thought we beat this topic to death last week. They didn't 't go up that much. Most courses $5 (5 courses), a few $8 (3 courses) and 3 other courses $2 increase for priority members. Palmer stayed the same. A fact of life, unfortunately. Think of all the rainy days this summer when they had no income. (No I don't work for The Villages) I just enjoy playing golf at a variety of courses. I never joined a country club, because I would get bored constantly playing the same course .



"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It is already tomorrow in Australia".

[Bay Kid]

Sorry golf is now unaffordable for some. It takes a ton of money to run a golf course, tons. I am glad to have them available, beautiful and ready to play whenever I am ready to play.

[l2ridehd]

It's to cover the 25% tax increase. When taxes go up 25% every business raises their prices to cover it. So consumers get hit multiple times.

[Two Bills]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/golf-villages-216/2020-championship-golf-rates-300596/?highlight=fees

:) Thread from last week. It explains alot and has much better info.than "the other site" which calls itself a :1rotfl: news site. Click bait site that hates anything Villages is more like it. They just posted a story on Villages Golf Cost tonight......I hope that's not where you got your misinformation. :ohdear: I don't mind when they make themselves look foolish..... but don't care for it when it happens to fellow Villagers who believe their rubbish and then repeats it. :ho:

Head, Nail, Hit!!
:clap2:

[billethkid]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/golf-villages-216/2020-championship-golf-rates-300596/?highlight=fees

:) Thread from last week. It explains alot and has much better info.than "the other site" which calls itself a :1rotfl: news site. Click bait site that hates anything Villages is more like it. They just posted a story on Villages Golf Cost tonight......I hope that's not where you got your misinformation. :ohdear: I don't mind when they make themselves look foolish..... but don't care for it when it happens to fellow Villagers who believe their rubbish and then repeats it. :ho:

Another instance of the few getting more air play than deserved....hence sounding more prevalent than in reality!!!!! I file it under :blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

[Regor]

Since 2010, winter rates have increased about $15. That's about $1.50 a year. Just saying.

[eyc234]

Since 2010, winter rates have increased about $15. That's about $1.50 a year. Just saying.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::boom:

[tophcfa]

Since 2010, winter rates have increased about $15. That's about $1.50 a year. Just saying.

I am not sure where you gather your information but the rate at Tierra Del Sol went up $12 for a resident golfer from last year to this year. That’s exactly $12 a year. Just saying.

[Bogie Shooter]

Agree! So how do we approach/fight this?....

The same way you approach/fight price increases at Publix, gas stations, etc.
Wait, you had something more sinister in mind?

[Taltarzac725]

Since 2010, winter rates have increased about $15. That's about $1.50 a year. Just saying.

Sounds NOTHING but reasonable.

[CWGUY]

Agree! So how do we approach/fight this?....

:ho: Sorry but..... a good place for you to start would be to educate yourself on the issue. Get the figures and do the homework. The correct figures - NOT the apples and oranges the "online rag" used and the OP fell for. The "rag" did the story because it's a "hater" and the OP repeated it because..... only he knows for sure but I've made my guess! :ohdear:

[xcaligirl]

Isn't this the time of the year when the "special summer prices" for the country club courses go back up?? The summer prices are quite reasonable.

[Two Bills]

I think the 'other site' has taken a lesson from Russian Television on how to spread alarm and despondancy!!

[dillywho]

When you compare summer 2019 to winter 2020, then the increase is REALLY big. That is exactly what happened to get so many knickers in a twist. Everything goes up, sorry. I used to get TOP PAY at $3.50 an hour, too. I could also buy groceries in big paper bags for $20.00 or less and had to maneuver to get them all in the car. Now, $20.00 won't even fill a small bag.

[Bogie Shooter]

Isn't this the time of the year when the "special summer prices" for the country club courses go back up?? The summer prices are quite reasonable.

https://www.golfthevillages.com/images/Jan_Apr_2020.pdf

[dillywho]

Sorry golf is now unaffordable for some. It takes a ton of money to run a golf course, tons. I am glad to have them available, beautiful and ready to play whenever I am ready to play.

Thank you. Championship golf has always been unaffordable for some, so why should it be a problem now? Not everyone here can afford the same things; so what? Many can afford golf, but choose not to play. That doesn't mean that everyone else has to give it up or go elsewhere. Not everyone has the same expensive house; some are inexpensive. There is SOMETHING for everyone. Me, I am both happy and grateful. Thankful for not only what I have, but for what others have that makes them happy and blessed, too.

[billethkid]

Just think of it as a better deal than what one pays for a smart phone and the monthly fees, or cable TV fees or the outrageous price for bottled water (available everywhere for FREE!!!!).

To name a very few that rape the pricing regularly....Really!!!!

[stan the man]

My annual ski pass cost me $700 per year and I can ski for free at many resorts nation wide and even in europe - so when ski season ends it time to return to tv and play golf at a reasonable price

[stan the man]

Are you moving? The price at restaurants have gone up too. AND at Publix. I paid twenty bucks yesterday for a chuck roast that I would have paid ten for ten years ago.

If you are "finished", does that mean you will play golf somewhere else? I have stopped playing but my husband still enjoys having so many 18 hole courses within driving range of his golf cart. It will be hard to find a place this wonderful somewhere else.

I am eighty as of last month and can't remember ever when prices went down.

How about the price of airfares compared to the value of the dollar from years ago and now

[OhioBuckeye]

I know I heard someone say, “Please don’t compare prices from TV to places up north”. I won’t do that but you got to admit if you go outside the bubble there’s a lot of places cheaper & just as nice or nicer. Just because TV is closer they are more expensive to play than other places. I know from playing Championship courses, that the cheapest I’ve ever paid was $42. That’s OK because every non member pays the same as I do & even if you do have a membership they’re not saving much more than me. I’ll just keep playing the Executive courses for FREE.

[OhioBuckeye]

It's to cover the 25% tax increase. When taxes go up 25% every business raises their prices to cover it. So consumers get hit multiple times.

BINGO, you’re right, 12ridehd !

[Gigi3000]

Pickleball anyone?

[John_W]

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[bmit16]

It is a big country, surely you can find affordable housing, 27 Championship golf course, 40 Executive courses, pools, tennis, pickleball, softball, recreation, free entertainment, bochy ball, 65 special interest clubs, and much more somewhere else. Please look!

[drcar]

the was a change in the rate schedule last year.. we went from 3 seasons of rate changes to 2

we used to have winter rates which were always the highest then summer rates which were the lowest and then fall rates... this year we had the same rate from may to end of dec. and I actually thought it balanced out if you play all year ...

so actually the rate increase for winter compared only to last years WINTER rates was minimal

they have yet to post what the upcoming may to dec rates are for 2020

You are correct, the rate increase from LAST WINTER is on the average $4.58.

Gracie is also correct have you seen the prices of beef lately!!

And BTW the the courses also had a 25% increase in property taxes!!!

[JoMar]

I know I heard someone say, “Please don’t compare prices from TV to places up north”. I won’t do that but you got to admit if you go outside the bubble there’s a lot of places cheaper & just as nice or nicer. Just because TV is closer they are more expensive to play than other places. I know from playing Championship courses, that the cheapest I’ve ever paid was $42. That’s OK because every non member pays the same as I do & even if you do have a membership they’re not saving much more than me. I’ll just keep playing the Executive courses for FREE.

I do admit their are cheaper and just as nice BUT some of us like convenience....and having a full service bar and restaurant and always running into people we know. There is a cost for that and it's one I am willing to pay. We do play out of the bubble now and then, especially if someone has a Groupon :)

[John_W]

It is a big country, surely you can find affordable housing, 27 Championship golf course, 40 Executive courses, pools, tennis, pickleball, softball, recreation, free entertainment, bochy ball, 65 special interest clubs, and much more somewhere else. Please look!

90 minute drive away from TV on the Gulf Coast. 18 hole championship golf course owned by the residents and fees set by the residents. Gated and walled community. Heritage Pines.

Heritage Pines 55+ Homes and Villas for Sale Hudson, FL (https://www.lipplyrealestate.com/hudson-subdivisions/heritage-pines/)

[drcar]

The greed has exploded. Green fees at the championship courses increasing beyond any thing we could imagine. I am finished !!

bye

[NavyVet]

I guess I don't see what the big fuss is in this case, as prices go up on everything, everywhere. My Spectrum bill has gone up a whopping ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS PER MONTH from only one year ago with NO service changes. (33% in 1 year - Yikes!)
Now THAT'S something to cry about! I would kill for only a 10% increase!

[drcar]

I guess I don't see what the big fuss is in this case, as prices go up on everything, everywhere. My Spectrum bill has gone up a whopping ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS PER MONTH from only one year ago with NO service changes. (33% in 1 year - Yikes!)
Now THAT'S something to cry about! I would kill for only a 10% increase!

You are correct!:coolsmiley:

[Bogie Shooter]

90 minute drive away from TV on the Gulf Coast. 18 hole championship golf course owned by the residents and fees set by the residents. Gated and walled community. Heritage Pines.

Heritage Pines 55+ Homes and Villas for Sale Hudson, FL (https://www.lipplyrealestate.com/hudson-subdivisions/heritage-pines/)

Yep, ONE 18 hole golf course...………………….

[Odysseus]

Walk the executive courses -- it's free and you get the exercise. Your body (and doctor) will thank you.

[golfing eagles]

Just pay the man his $2. Or spend $6 in gas going elsewhere. Or take up pickleball. Whatever:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Cheche1]

This family greedier in everything they do. Poor Mom and Pops

[CWGUY]

:popcorn: Is there a translator in the house?

[John_W]

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[John_W]

This family greedier in everything they do. Poor Mom and Pops

Just like you, the poor mom & pops don't live in The Villages!

[eyc234]

The greed has exploded. Green fees at the championship courses increasing beyond any thing we could imagine. I am finished !!

:pray: Pleeeeeeeeeease tell all your friends and have them tell their friends how expensive it is to play golf here. The more of you there are the better my tee times become and my rounds get faster and faster. The fewer ball marks I have to fix and fewer bunkers that have to be raked.

While you are having these positive discussions with them could you also tell them how bad and expensive all the restaurants in TV are as well, we would luv to have better times to eat.
:coolsmiley:
Thanks ahead of time

[tophcfa]

I guess I don't see what the big fuss is in this case, as prices go up on everything, everywhere. My Spectrum bill has gone up a whopping ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS PER MONTH from only one year ago with NO service changes. (33% in 1 year - Yikes!)
Now THAT'S something to cry about! I would kill for only a 10% increase!

I think the big fuss is because many seniors live on a fixed income that, at best, goes up annually based on the reported CPI. When one is on a fixed income, and expenses go up at a large multiple of revenues, it squeezes peoples lifestyles. Things like food, property taxes, health care, trash disposal, insurance, energy, and yes green fees, etc... have by far outpaced the CPI.

Many seniors would kill for a 10% cost of living increase in their pensions.

[John_W]

Something many overlook is it's only four months. January to April 30th that we have the big increase. I've been paying $34 to play all year since May 1st. If you came from the north, chances are you weren't even playing during these four months due to weather. Now, play just nine holes or go to an executive, there are other options. It's like the glass I posted, some see it as half empty and some as half full. The poor smuck in Pennsylvania who is looking out the window at ice and snow is probably saying, I would give anything to be playing golf right now in Florida.

[ckcapaul]

This is our second winter here, became Florida residents. I am happy that someone built this for us to enjoy. We started golfing 6 years ago in anticipation of being here. If I was good enough to play the championship courses I would. But no complaints, glad to be here. Unfortunately prices go up on everything and its not always the "developers fault".

[Bridget Staunton]

We live on egret golf course, there are few golfers on Egret not busy at all

[kcrazorbackfan]

Agree! So how do we approach/fight this?....

Go to the source of the increase; see what kind of response you get there.

You people get on here and Next Door to whine and complain about everything the Developer does; why did you move here in the first place? Did you think prices here were going to flat line or go down by you just moving here? Do you really think you’re going to get a viable solution here or on that other site by just complaining to hear yourself? The Developer is not a “not for profit” organization.

Good lord, give it up. Complain about the high priced, low quality food and alcohol at the country clubs; the fact that Publix groceries costs more than Aldi’s; just quit bitching about everything the Developer does.

[Bowtorc]

Really?????

[Bowtorc]

WHAT A LUCKY GUY. Having enough money to do that and even have time to tell evryone

[Golrusk]

Good

[DrBrutyle109]

I agree. I don’t understand why the fees have to almost double. I know it’s peak time when The Villages is probably at close to full capacity, but the conditions aren’t any better than any other time. There starts to be a little more time to play as time goes forward....I just don’t get it. I have a moderate income, but know I will travel all over the area to play, when there are 12 championship course right here. I just don’t get it.

[Dennis and Rose]

Our time on this side of the dirt, shortens each passing day. Calm down, enjoy what you have.

[Singerlady]

Yes, $5 increase. But, percentage is 12%! And over the last two years is 27%! Do your investments get that much?

[anothersteve]

I agree. I don’t understand why the fees have to almost double.

Where are you getting the "almost double" from?
Steve

[Regor]

I am not sure where you gather your information but the rate at Tierra Del Sol went up $12 for a resident golfer from last year to this year. That’s exactly $12 a year. Just saying.

My original post compared prices from $10 years ago. The Priority rates for TDS in 2010 were $29 this year $47 +$18. Average $1.80 a year. GV, CG, Hav. & MH were $32 This year $47 = +$15.

[Petehoyt]

The facts on Golf Course Rates are ...
For the period January thru April 2009 Priority rate at Palmer was $41. In 2020 it will be $47. That's an average increase per year of $.50 ... YES 50 cents per year! The average increase overall for the past TWELVE (12) Years (2009 thru 2020) has been roughly $1.50 across the board (all courses .. except Bonifay, Evans Prairie and Belle Glade are not part of the analysis since they did not exist in 2009); Palmer has experienced the LEAST average increase per year whereas Tierra Del Sol has experienced the largest. Understand how it looks when you don't have ALL the facts! I have the spreadsheet analysis available for anyone desiring to see reality.

[Two Bills]

The facts on Golf Course Rates are ...
For the period January thru April 2009 Priority rate at Palmer was $41. In 2020 it will be $47. That's an average increase per year of $.50 ... YES 50 cents per year! The average increase overall for the past TWELVE (12) Years (2009 thru 2020) has been roughly $1.50 across the board (all courses .. except Bonifay, Evans Prairie and Belle Glade are not part of the analysis since they did not exist in 2009); Palmer has experienced the LEAST average increase per year whereas Tierra Del Sol has experienced the largest. Understand how it looks when you don't have ALL the facts! I have the spreadsheet analysis available for anyone desiring to see reality.

Facts will confuse the argument!!:)

[OhioBuckeye]

I do admit their are cheaper and just as nice BUT some of us like convenience....and having a full service bar and restaurant and always running into people we know. There is a cost for that and it's one I am willing to pay. We do play out of the bubble now and then, especially if someone has a Groupon :)

I agree with everything you say but the article just wanted to know why the prices are going up. Convenience is nice, but I was just saying if it's cheap green fees, there is less expensive places to play. Thanks for the comment, JoMar!

[OhioBuckeye]

Just pay the man his $2. Or spend $6 in gas going elsewhere. Or take up pickleball. Whatever:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Guess I got to agree with your comment. Maybe that's why I only play the Executive courses. Yea, I know someone will say they're to short or they're excuse for not wanted to play them. But I always thought it was the short game that help you lower your score not how far you can hit the ball straight. So your right you do spend 8 to $10 more to drive a couple of miles to save $20. but in that case I saved my $40. & play for FREE or about $20. less to play for $25. But I do see your point but I really don't think playing the Championship courses will really help my golf game. NO pun intended though, Golfing eagles!

[Bogie Shooter]

I agree. I don’t understand why the fees have to almost double. I know it’s peak time when The Villages is probably at close to full capacity, but the conditions aren’t any better than any other time. There starts to be a little more time to play as time goes forward....I just don’t get it. I have a moderate income, but know I will travel all over the area to play, when there are 12 championship course right here. I just don’t get it.

Which fees have almost doubled???

[golfing eagles]

Here's one for the "doublers" (although I don't believe the facts show green fees have doubled at TV champ courses)
In 1974 I played Bethpage Black on weekdays for $1.75. Today the greens fee is $130. What "percentage" increase is that. Gas had skyrocketed to $0.69/gallon in the aftermath of the oil embargo, prior to that it was $0.34. Ground beef was $0.69/pound and a regular size loaf of bread was $0.29. Sirloin steak was $1.29/pound, for those that could afford it.

My point is simple---prices go up. Wages go up as well---I was working in 1974 for $1.00/hour, so golf was almost 2 hours work. Before I retired, golf was a lot less work than that.

As to those who are hurt by price increases more than others---those on a fixed income, yes it sucks. But some of those folks planned a retirement on prices that existed at that time and did not consider the future cost of living. My godfather was one of them, he retired in 1966 on what seemed to be a pension that would last a lifetime. By 1975 he was living in a trailer buying food from the expired shelf. So to those approaching retirement, Plan ahead!!!

[Marathon Man]

Here's one for the "doublers" (although I don't believe the facts show green fees have doubled at TV champ courses)
In 1974 I played Bethpage Black on weekdays for $1.75. Today the greens fee is $130. What "percentage" increase is that. Gas had skyrocketed to $0.69/gallon in the aftermath of the oil embargo, prior to that it was $0.34. Ground beef was $0.69/pound and a regular size loaf of bread was $0.29. Sirloin steak was $1.29/pound, for those that could afford it.

My point is simple---prices go up. Wages go up as well---I was working in 1974 for $1.00/hour, so golf was almost 2 hours work. Before I retired, golf was a lot less work than that.

As to those who are hurt by price increases more than others---those on a fixed income, yes it sucks. But some of those folks planned a retirement on prices that existed at that time and did not consider the future cost of living. My godfather was one of them, he retired in 1966 on what seemed to be a pension that would last a lifetime. By 1975 he was living in a trailer buying food from the expired shelf. So to those approaching retirement, Plan ahead!!!

Wise words indeed.

[drcar]

FYI, A very good letter to the editor on the ONLINE Enquirer

To the Editor:

I have been a resident of the Villages for 15 years and have played the championship courses thee time a week since I have been here.
I am no way sticking up for the developer in the raising of the rates on the Championship Golf courses but people are looking at the rates going up to $33 – $47 for the winter. People have to realize for years they always had three rate structures – summer, fall and winter. The summer rates were always $15 less from the winter rates and $10 from the fall rates. The winter rates never had a discount for afternoon play in the winter. It was always one rate for all day in the winter. The Championship rates last year ranged between ranges between $30 and $42, Palmer being the highest @$45. With Golf Management Solutions gone and The Villages taking over, they decided to go to only two seasons instead of three. Summer and fall at one rate and Winter at the other rate. In essence the increase for the winter has gone up $2-$5 depending on the course from the winter rates of last year. As I stated they never had an afternoon rate in the winter. Come May 1 the rates will be rolled back as always. People also have to realize that the courses are going through major renovations with the new grass they are doing the greens over with (tift Eagle), Bunker renovations as well as re-designing many of the holes. Plus the fact that all the chemicals and fertilizers have gone up drastically over the last few years. I know the new people that have been here only a couple of years probably didn’t realize how the seasons were structured and looking at this increase are thinking this is gouging. I feel that the courses that have been renovated so far (Lopez-Tierra-Glenview) have really improved over what they were. I understand a couple of other courses are going to be done next Summer also. Over the course of the next five to seven years they are hoping to have all courses re-done with the new grass as well as re-doing the bunkers. As far as the other courses that were mentioned outside The Villages, the only courses worth playing are Stonecreek-Harbor Hills-Eagle Ridge-Mission Inn. The others in the area are cow pastures and as far as Orlando you are looking at about a 45 minute to an hour ride to get there, so it becomes an all-day event. I will continue to play in The Villages with my two groups which consists of 32-56 members three times a week.

[Northwoods]

Go to the source of the increase; see what kind of response you get there.

You people get on here and Next Door to whine and complain about everything the Developer does; why did you move here in the first place? Did you think prices here were going to flat line or go down by you just moving here? Do you really think you’re going to get a viable solution here or on that other site by just complaining to hear yourself? The Developer is not a “not for profit” organization.

Good lord, give it up. Complain about the high priced, low quality food and alcohol at the country clubs; the fact that Publix groceries costs more than Aldi’s; just quit bitching about everything the Developer does.

:bigbow:

[billethkid]

:popcorn:
:pray:

[Bay Kid]

Glad they are available.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Golf courses, like any other business, will set their prices based on what's best for them.

Prices will rise if people keep coming and eventually will come down if business drops off. The general rule is "what the market will bear."

Again, this is no different than any other business.

There are fewer people playing in the summer months so fees go down. It's difficult to get in a full eighteen holes after 5:00pm in the summer so fees drop way down in order to attract more people. If the courses got too crowded last winter, then prices will rise.

If you owned a for profit golf course, why would you not get the most money that you can per round. If you sold hot dogs, you'd get the most you could for each hot dog. It's not different.

I think that a lot of Villages resident feel that they should get some kind of a break because they are residents. Unfortunately, these are not private country clubs with membership, they are simply public golf courses that are open to everyone.

If you don't like the product or the price, don't buy.

[Garywt]

People just want to bad mouth the Morse family whenever they can. If you can’t afford the average $4 increase then play the free courses or move as you obviously over bought to live here.

[Marathon Man]

Golf courses, like any other business, will set their prices based on what's best for them.

Prices will rise if people keep coming and eventually will come down if business drops off. The general rule is "what the market will bear."

Again, this is no different than any other business.

There are fewer people playing in the summer months so fees go down. It's difficult to get in a full eighteen holes after 5:00pm in the summer so fees drop way down in order to attract more people. If the courses got too crowded last winter, then prices will rise.

If you owned a for profit golf course, why would you not get the most money that you can per round. If you sold hot dogs, you'd get the most you could for each hot dog. It's not different.

I think that a lot of Villages resident feel that they should get some kind of a break because they are residents. Unfortunately, these are not private country clubs with membership, they are simply public golf courses that are open to everyone.

If you don't like the product or the price, don't buy.

People just want to bad mouth the Morse family whenever they can. If you can’t afford the average $4 increase then play the free courses or move as you obviously over bought to live here.

Yep and yep.

This is Florida. All prices go up in the winter. Avoid hotels, Disney, and golf if you don't like high prices. Wait for spring. All is good.

[Two Bills]

So after 78 posts, we agree that some are going off camp to play golf, many will pay the extra and play in the bubble, and Publix beef is to expensive.
Glad we cleared that up!

[John_W]

Yep and yep.

This is Florida. All prices go up in the winter. Avoid hotels, Disney, and golf if you don't like high prices. Wait for spring. All is good.

That's a good point. The same could be said about courses in the north but instead of seasons, it's weekends. One of my favorites was The Wetlands behind Cal Ripken Stadium in Aberdeen, Maryland right off I-95. When I played as a senior (over 50) it was $33 on weekdays and on weekends it was $57, guess when I didn't play?

The 18th Hole at Wetlands, it's a dogleg right. In this picture is the green and the corner, the tee is off to the far left out of sight. It's full 90 degree dogleg.

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[Aces4]

That's a good point. The same could be said about courses in the north but instead of seasons, it's weekends. One of my favorites was The Wetlands behind Cal Ripken Stadium in Aberdeen, Maryland right off I-95. When I played as a senior (over 50) it was $33 on weekdays and on weekends it was $57, guess when I didn't play?

The 18th Hole at Wetlands, it's a dogleg right. In this picture is the green and the corner, the tee is off to the far left out of sight. It's full 90 degree dogleg.

https://golfadvisor.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/122e13d/2147483647/strip/true/crop/600x387+0+6/resize/930x600!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgolfadvisor.brightspotcdn.com%2 Fb7%2F3c%2Faa15db24d43b1c76154fba01c8d2%2F37058.jp g

Beautiful! I personally feel it’s hard to beat a northern golf course but not in the winter⛱.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Sorry golf is now unaffordable for some. It takes a ton of money to run a golf course, tons. I am glad to have them available, beautiful and ready to play whenever I am ready to play.

If you're a resident of the Villages, then playing golf is 100% affordable. You just have to play the exec courses and hoof it instead of taking the golf cart. The cost is included with your amenity fee, no extra charge.

[golfing eagles]

So after 78 posts, we agree that some are going off camp to play golf, many will pay the extra and play in the bubble, and Publix beef is to expensive.
Glad we cleared that up!

Off topic, but.....I once asked the butchers where they get their meat from
Winn Dixie------Mexico
Publix-----------Mexico
Fresh Market---Kansas

So, like golf, you decide what is worth a few extra bucks

[dewilson58]

Off topic, but.....I once asked the butchers where they get their meat from
Winn Dixie------Mexico
Publix-----------Mexico
Fresh Market---Kansas






Don't believe everything you are told.

[golfing eagles]

Don't believe everything you are told.

They're ordering the beef, they should know where they ordered it from:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[dewilson58]

They're ordering the beef, they should know where they ordered it from:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:




Actually, corporate orders the product.


:coolsmiley:

[golfing eagles]

Actually, corporate orders the product.


:coolsmiley:

my mistake:bigbow:

[Northwoods]

Golfing Eagles and Dewilson 58. I think you're both great....

[tophcfa]

If you're a resident of the Villages, then playing golf is 100% affordable. You just have to play the exec courses and hoof it instead of taking the golf cart. The cost is included with your amenity fee, no extra charge.

Mini golf versus real golf, not the same. And many seniors can't hoof it, knee and hip replacements require riding in ones golf cart.

Sure, my wife and I occasionally play an executive and have fun if we don't get stuck behind some really slow groups, but I don't feel like we played any real golf. 18 holes on a par 72 Championship course is real golf. And during the winter months, when you are paying for two resident members, real golf in the bubble has become really expensive.

[JimJohnson]

I researched prices at country club courses in and around Orlando. The Villages could be doubled and it would still be great pricing.

[Polar Bear]

...18 holes on a par 72 Championship course is real golf...
Do you know how many of the world’s greatest golf courses you eliminate with that remark?

[tophcfa]

Do you know how many of the world’s greatest golf courses you eliminate with that remark?

Point taken and very true. My comment was within the contex of golf in the Villages, where just about all of the Championship courses are par 72. Tierra del Sol is a 71, depending on how you score hole number 16. I play from the white tees, but on 16 at Tierra I play from the back T and play the hole as a par 5 so the course is a par 72.

[Two Bills]

Mini golf versus real golf, not the same. And many seniors can't hoof it, knee and hip replacements require riding in ones golf cart.

Sure, my wife and I occasionally play an executive and have fun if we don't get stuck behind some really slow groups, but I don't feel like we played any real golf. 18 holes on a par 72 Championship course is real golf. And during the winter months, when you are paying for two resident members, real golf in the bubble has become really expensive.

The knee and hip replacements are why a lot of ex- 'Real Golfers' play Excutive Courses.
Wife and I have played on executive courses with quite a few 'Real Golfers' and in a lot of cases their short games are poor.
Hit the ball for miles yes, around the greens not so good, and always pick up the short 2-3 foot putt as a gimme.'
Do a lot of them good to play a few more rounds on the Execs!