Multi-car accident at Morse & 466

[jojo]

At 5:30 we were turning south onto Morse from 466 and witnessed several cars piled up eastbound at Morse Blvd. One car was crunched both front and back. Several had damage. Emergency squad was not there when we turned but hopefully there are no serious injuries.

[kcrazorbackfan]

That's really a dangerous intersection; I think I read a few months ago where work has been approved on a change for that intersection.

[Two Bills]

For some illogical reason, some drivers think they can travel at 40+mph. two or three car lenghts or less behind another vehicle, and stop in an emergency.

it is not going to happen!

[kathyspear]

That's really a dangerous intersection; I think I read a few months ago where work has been approved on a change for that intersection.

I'm curious why you say this. In what way is it more dangerous than other intersections? We drive through it all the time -- I must have just missed today's multi-car accident -- and it never struck me as particularly dangerous. Enquiring minds want to do!

kathy

[jojo]

One of our dear neighbors was killed at that intersection two years ago this month.

[Bogie Shooter]

I'm curious why you say this. In what way is it more dangerous than other intersections? We drive through it all the time -- I must have just missed today's multi-car accident -- and it never struck me as particularly dangerous. Enquiring minds want to do!

kathy

The blinking yellow left turn arrow. If both left turn lanes have cars, the ability to see thru traffic is blocked.
Changing the yellow arrow to red would contribute to a safer intersection.

[kcrazorbackfan]

I'm curious why you say this. In what way is it more dangerous than other intersections? We drive through it all the time -- I must have just missed today's multi-car accident -- and it never struck me as particularly dangerous. Enquiring minds want to do!

kathy

Well, having worked many accidents as a LEO, I watch traffic all the time while driving.

When people turn left off 466 onto Morse (north or south) against oncoming traffic, many have no idea on how to judge the closure rate of the oncoming vehicles, many of which are travelling above the speed limit. Couple the speed of those oncoming vehicles along with the usual obstructed view of the vehicles trying to make a turn caused by traffic in the opposite turn lanes, and it makes for a dangerous intersection.

The same could be said of the intersections at 466/Buena Vista, 466/Rolling Acres Rd.; any intersection where you have inattentive drivers turning against the traffic.

I know how to solve the problems at these intersections, but, I'm just a retired LEO and not a traffic engineer so I'll let them take their lazy time in solving these problems (until I'm become a victim of their negligence).

[JoMar]

Plus the impatience for those waiting to turn. The yellow turn lights are in other States and seem to work fine when people understand them. Drivers always seem to run the yellows, turn or straight. Never understood that.

[mowdie]

The blinking yellow left turn arrow. If both left turn lanes have cars, the ability to see thru traffic is blocked.
Changing the yellow arrow to red would contribute to a safer intersection.

Exactly, To add to that problem is cars on both sides that are going straight speeding up to avoid a yellow light. Also IMO, due to the constant growth of TV. The traffic through this intersection (and others) for shopping up to 441/27 area adds to the left turn on yellow issue.

[wbadger]

Many accidents are caused by excessive speeding. If you travel at the speed limit, it is nothing to have many cars pass you doing way over the sped limit. With little to no law enforcement of speeding, or traffic laws, this will only get worse. Instead of The Villages being called America's friendliest hometown, it has become America's most dangerous driving hometown.

[Chatbrat]

IMHO, the source of the problem is a bad mix, elderly drivers driving cars that no longer fit them, elderly drivers with vision & medical issues, constant flow of visitors who don't know the lay of the land, high alcohol consumption, roads that are now obsolete--put them all together & BOOM--

[big guy]

IMHO, the source of the problem is a bad mix, elderly drivers driving cars that no longer fit them, elderly drivers with vision & medical issues, constant flow of visitors who don't know the lay of the land, high alcohol consumption, roads that are now obsolete--put them all together & BOOM--

I agree. And add rain and certain areas become deadly. We saw the accident at Morse and 466 and wonder how it could have happened. There were 4 cars involved that we could see. I don't know if there was a streetlight out on 466 but it was very dark over there.

[Skunky1]

Install “red left turn arrows” at the 466 E. West intersection of Morse Boulevard just as was done recently at the East West 466 Buena Vista intersection. Install “no turn on red” signs on north and south intersection of Morse Boulevard

[MIskra]

I live near Morse and 44. There were multiple accidents at that intersection from people turning left off of 44 onto Morse, for the same reason (left-hand turn arrow was yellow and it was hard to see very fast oncoming traffic on 44 with other cars turning left in front of you). I knew that these signals are not the responsibility of The Villages, but I brought it up in my District 10 monthly meeting anyway hoping someone could refer me to the right person. Richard Baier (District Manager who attends all the Districts' monthly meetings) said he would personally talk to someone (I think from the county) and the arrow was changed to red within a week. At that time there was little traffic on Morse turning left onto 44 because not many people drove past 44. The arrow facing Morse is still yellow and maybe that also needs to change. The point is that if you see an issue, especially one that is life-threating, please talk to the District Manager instead of posting it on social media and think that whoever can help will happen to read it. If Richard Baier cannot help, he will direct you to the correct person.

[PennBF]

All of the intersections along 466 are a risk and traffic control by the Police is critical to solving the number of accidents. Of course we drive it all the time and it is just repeating yourself to say look at the "speed of that vehicle" as 4 out of 5 ignore the speed limit and or safe driving. You can see this at the intersections and to see how they should drive go by the school section when the police are there. The strip from the CVS Intersection to Morse Blvd intersection is a "race strip". Enough said.:ho:

[toeser]

It's not that the intersection is dangerous as much as this area has an abundance of really awful drivers. I doubt many know what a turn signal is. When moving to TV, I sold my motorcycle rather than run the gauntlet of the round-abouts.

[Chi-Town]

Install “red left turn arrows” at the 466 E. West intersection of Morse Boulevard just as was done recently at the East West 466 Buena Vista intersection. Install “no turn on red” signs on north and south intersection of Morse Boulevard

The red left turn arrows at 466 and Buena Vista have definitely made that intersection more safe.

[karostay]

All the roads intersections are filled with impatient old people so when driving anywhere you must be on high alert

[Topspinmo]

Nothing wrong with that intersection. The drivers are the problem. The speed down 466 following too close, turn when the can’t see outside lane traffic from someone speeding in the right lane and blocked off by slowed or stopped traffic, or bully their way on right turn on red which traffic flow has to slow down. Many roads before major intersection needs automatic radar That records the speed the the plate and automatically seen out speeding ticket. Only way to start slowing speeders down. No yellow turning lights good first start and no right turn on red another. Amazes me how many speed right by the sheriff annex.

[Topspinmo]

All the roads intersections are filled with impatient old people so when driving anywhere you must be on high alert


Disagree, yes some, but most are younger speeding to aNd from wherever. Speed the problem and turning in front of traffic

[Hrvbar]

As far as I could tell last night, this accident did not happen because of the traffic light. This was at least 3-4 yards from the light. Yes, there is a possibility that the velocity of the accident caused ALL of these cars to move that far from the traffic light, but let’s be honest, that is a very remote possibility. Yes, the yellow turn arrow is dangerous. But no more dangerous than the roundabouts. None of us know the true story of what happened last night, so let’s just relax when placing blame on “older drivers”, “people racing down 466”, and “yellow traffic signals”. There are so many other things it could be...a medical emergency that caused the driver to lose control of their car, failed brakes, bad tires. Who are we to judge without all of the facts?

[dougjb]

I received the best advice from my former landlord in the Villages. Here it is: When driving in the Villages, do not be in a hurry! PERIOD.

[Polar Bear]

...Yes, the yellow turn arrow is dangerous. But no more dangerous than the roundabouts...
Stated so casually, yet so wrong.

Busy signalized intersections are far more dangerous than well-designed, warranted roundabouts such as in TV.

[PugMom]

I'm curious why you say this. In what way is it more dangerous than other intersections? We drive through it all the time -- I must have just missed today's multi-car accident -- and it never struck me as particularly dangerous. Enquiring minds want to do!

kathy

dangerous due to the amount of traffic that passes thru the intersections, sometimes @ unreasonable speeds. and then there's always some fool weaving thru traffic, sometimes on a motorcycle

[rmd2]

Intersection of Morse/466 and also of Rolling Acres Rd/466 are the two worst intersections in this area. I avoid them and if I am heading there I am VERY careful.

[Hrvbar]

Stated so casually, yet so wrong.

Busy signalized intersections are far more dangerous than well-designed, warranted roundabouts such as in TV.

In regards to The Villages, “busy signalized intersections” are not more dangerous than “well-designed warranted roundabouts”. Each one implies having to yield. Each one one would have to calculate the distance in which the oncoming vehicle is, in order to determine safety in which to turn/merge into a roundabout. Yes, the velocity that the cars are traveling may be greater on roads such as 466, but let’s be honest as well, everyone has seen cars fly through the roundabouts at the same speed as those on 466. How’s that for casually stated?

On another note, I was commenting on the accident and what I saw firsthand. As for you, your post is off topic. The title of the post is about the accident, not how dangerous yellow turn signals are and the like.

[Topspinmo]

In regards to The Villages, “busy signalized intersections” are not more dangerous than “well-designed warranted roundabouts”. Each one implies having to yield. Each one one would have to calculate the distance in which the oncoming vehicle is, in order to determine safety in which to turn/merge into a roundabout. Yes, the velocity that the cars are traveling may be greater on roads such as 466, but let’s be honest as well, everyone has seen cars fly through the roundabouts at the same speed as those on 466. How’s that for casually stated?

On another note, I was commenting on the accident and what I saw firsthand. As for you, your post is off topic. The title of the post is about the accident, not how dangerous yellow turn signals are and the like.

Hardly even see head on or t-bone collisions in roundabouts unless someone going wrong direction.

[Hrvbar]

Hardly even see head on or t-bone collisions in roundabouts unless someone going wrong direction.

Then you aren’t watching close enough. I have seen plenty of t-bone collisions in my 17 years of living here.

[Marathon Man]

I agree with others. Roundabouts are far far safer. That is why they exist. To suggest that turning if front of a car going 45 mph is no different than passing in front of a car slowing to enter, or moving around, a roundabout is silly.

[Bogie Shooter]

As far as I could tell last night, this accident did not happen because of the traffic light. This was at least 3-4 yards from the light. Yes, there is a possibility that the velocity of the accident caused ALL of these cars to move that far from the traffic light, but let’s be honest, that is a very remote possibility. Yes, the yellow turn arrow is dangerous. But no more dangerous than the roundabouts. None of us know the true story of what happened last night, so let’s just relax when placing blame on “older drivers”, “people racing down 466”, and “yellow traffic signals”. There are so many other things it could be...a medical emergency that caused the driver to lose control of their car, failed brakes, bad tires. Who are we to judge without all of the facts?
Not judging.....offering an opinion.

[Bogie Shooter]

Then you aren’t watching close enough. I have seen plenty of t-bone collisions in my 17 years of living here.

Plenty? In my 19 years I don’t recall reading about any t-bone accidents.....more side swipes.

[Chi-Town]

Then you aren’t watching close enough. I have seen plenty of t-bone collisions in my 17 years of living here.

Wow, never saw a head on or a t-bone collision in the roundabouts. But plenty of rear enders and glancing blows.

[Hrvbar]

I agree with others. Roundabouts are far far safer. That is why they exist. To suggest that turning if front of a car going 45 mph is no different than passing in front of a car slowing to enter, or moving around, a roundabout is silly.

First of all, I had to read your post three times to understand what you meant. Have you ever seen someone with their right hand turn signal on, fail to turn onto the road that you assume they are going to? They continue to go around and the other person goes, t-bone.

Second of all, did I say that turning in front of a car going 45 mph and “passing” in front of a car slowing to enter was equally dangerous? Perhaps you should quote my post before paraphrasing what you think I said.

[Polar Bear]

In regards to The Villages, “busy signalized intersections” are not more dangerous than “well-designed warranted roundabouts”...
Again, simply wrong.

[Chatbrat]

When a vehicle makes a left turn from the right lane in a circle , recipe for a T-Bone and not the medium rare kind--lots of them here-

[ColdNoMore]

Make 466 a divided one-way eastbound and 466A...a divided one-way westbound.


That oughta cut down on the number of old folks out driving around in their cars, on 45 MPH roads, just for the heck of it and force more to use the roundabouts...which ARE safer than a normal intersection. :D







Relax folks, I'm obviously just joking. Especially knowing what it would do to the East/West roads... inside the Bubble.

[NoMoSno]

IMHO, the source of the problem is a bad mix, elderly drivers driving cars that no longer fit them, elderly drivers with vision & medical issues, constant flow of visitors who don't know the lay of the land, high alcohol consumption, roads that are now obsolete--put them all together & BOOM--
...and distracted drivers from cell phones/texting while driving.

[Chatbrat]

Over a year ago my wife witnessed a woman driving an older suburban, take out 6 cars while backing out of a parking space, she had her front wheels turned ,hit the gas and did a semi-circle in reverse--hit cars behind her & then cars alongside her-this happened in the Colony Publix lot

[Viperguy]

I would say there are at least as many "impatient" young people, (or more)

[NavyVet]

The intersections on 466A at Morse and Buena Vista are equally precarious as well.
Lost count of the many accidents and close calls I've witnessed at the all the horrible roundabouts. I can't stand them and avoid them whenever possible, usually via 301 or Microracetrack/Rolling Acres.

[Chatbrat]

I do SPEED, but its to avoid being boxed in, with the potential for boomerang accidents--I was always taught , look for space and keep the space--its your bail out area- I avoid riding with any vehicle alongside mine, especially 18 wheelers, when I pass its pedal to the metal

[golfing eagles]

I do SPEED, but its to avoid being boxed in, with the potential for boomerang accidents--I was always taught , look for space and keep the space--its your bail out area- I avoid riding with any vehicle alongside mine, especially 18 wheelers, when I pass its pedal to the metal

I tend to agree. While speed may contribute to some accidents, the drivers who are going a little faster tend to have better driving skills, unless they are drunk or suicidal. I don't worry about the driver on 466 going 55 in a 45 zone. Either he is ahead of me, in which case I won't catch up to him, or he is coming up from behind and will usually pass me in a relatively safe manner. The problem children are the drivers going 30 in the 45 zone. As you approach them, you are entering a zoo where other drivers are making highly questionable driving decisions to get around them. APPROACH WITH CAUTION, you never know what they will do. A few years ago there was a gentleman who posted he always drives 30 on 466 in the 45 zone and purposely drives in the far left lane because HE thinks 30 is fast enough! Who died and left this guy in charge, to unilaterally change the law and then try to enforce it by shoving it down everyone else's throat? IMHO, THAT is grounds for permanent license revocation.

[Chatbrat]

Golfing Eagles, see that you lived in NYC & its suburbs--I used to commute from Chatham NJ,to Staten Island--it caused me to have the driving skills that I currently have and a way different mind set on how to drive in traffic

[golfing eagles]

Golfing Eagles, see that you lived in NYC & its suburbs--I used to commute from Chatham NJ,to Staten Island--it caused me to have the driving skills that I currently have and a way different mind set on how to drive in traffic

Totally agree. Lived on Long Island 20 years, Brooklyn for 4 and Staten Island for 3. You always knew your surroundings, speed of vehicles in your area, following distances and could anticipate what the other drivers were likely to do. Down here, it is a total crapshoot. People here seem to be totally oblivious to their surroundings, not only on the road but in the grocery stores, restaurants, town squares, etc.

[Nucky]

I agree that living up there, Chatbrat & GE's previous territory sorta prepares you for living here. But it is really amazing what tunnelvision people have around here. One Goal. Get to the destination at any cost to someone else. I don't even care anymore. What's the difference? Who is going to change? Nobody!

I drove a Tractor Trailer, Dump Truck, Taxi, Etc. without an accident and have more miles in reverse than most people have going forward and I make an error now and then so I'm now in The Flock of Fockers! The truth hurts. I backed into my own garage with the driver door open and it was a wake up call to straighten up and fly rite!

This accident could the OP brought up could be anyone of us here at anytime. That's why they call it an accident and not an on purpose.

You have to have eyes in the back of your head and be aware of your surroundings at all times. Protect yourself and your own property. Park in front of any Publix for free entertainment of those who gotta get somewhere quick. It's a hoot!!!! Someone who can barely walk getting honked at by some young hoodlum, juvenile delinquent! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[pabotticelli]

The blinking yellow left turn arrow. If both left turn lanes have cars, the ability to see thru traffic is blocked.
Changing the yellow arrow to red would contribute to a safer intersection.

Agree, should not have a blinking yellow light at Morse & 466A because the onccming traffic is blocked by the cars stopped at the light. I have experienced cars traveling 45--50+mph all the time and race through the yellow & red lights. Proceed with extra caution at all times on that road.

[Chatbrat]

The most amazing thing about the accident-is there will be zero mention about it in the Daily Sun

[lizbell]

Going west on 466 and coming to Buena Vista to make a left turn is only possible now when you have the green turn arrow. Otherwise the turn arrow is red. A great improvement to that intersection !

[golfing eagles]

Going west on 466 and coming to Buena Vista to make a left turn is only possible now when you have the green turn arrow. Otherwise the turn arrow is red. A great improvement to that intersection !

Except when it backs up traffic 1/4 mile:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Chatbrat]

And the morons who don't know how to pull into an intersection to make a left turn before the light turns red. If you're behind them you have to wait for complete 4 light cycle

[perrjojo]

Back to the OP. I saw the accident that was mentioned. It was dark so it was difficult to see what may have happened. There were probably four vehicles involved near the intersection but it did not appear to happen within the intersection.

[JoMar]

And the morons who don't know how to pull into an intersection to make a left turn before the light turns red. If you're behind them you have to wait for complete 4 light cycle

Don't try that in PA.....if the light turns red while you are in the intersection you have run the red light. I learned that the hard way. In PA you don't cross the stop line or crosswalk until the approaching lane is clear. I assume it might be the same here but don't know.

[Chi-Town]

Except when it backs up traffic 1/4 mile:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Not too bad at Buena Vista. Morse would be a different story. You would need two left hand turn lanes, which is pretty common nowadays.

[Polar Bear]

Don't try that in PA.....if the light turns red while you are in the intersection you have run the red light. I learned that the hard way. In PA you don't cross the stop line or crosswalk until the approaching lane is clear. I assume it might be the same here but don't know.

In Florida, if you have a green ball or blinking yellow arrow do not wait to cross the stop bar and enter the intersection. You cross the stop bar and enter into the intersection immediately and turn at the first adequate gap. If the green ball turns yellow, or the flashing yellow arrow turns solid prior to an adequate gap, be ready to turn when the light turns red and the approaching traffic stops.

When you proceed and the light is red, you are NOT running the red light. You are "clearing the intersection", which you have the right-of-way to do. Once you crossed the stop bar appropriately, you are no longer subject to the red light...it just means you need to proceed with your left turn immediately upon the first opportunity to clear the intersection. Due to a brief all-red phase, you will not be in conflict with any other vehicles if you make your turn without delay.

[Topspinmo]

And the morons who don't know how to pull into an intersection to make a left turn before the light turns red. If you're behind them you have to wait for complete 4 light cycle

The problem being out in the intersections you have to turn sometimes on yellow. Then you got that AH speeding down the right lane beating the yellow that pops out behind the car in the left center lane. Wham!

[Topspinmo]

In Florida, if you have a green ball or blinking yellow arrow do not wait to cross the stop bar and enter the intersection. You cross the stop bar and enter into the intersection immediately and turn at the first adequate gap. If the green ball turns yellow, or the flashing yellow arrow turns solid prior to an adequate gap, be ready to turn when the light turns red and the approaching traffic stops.

When you proceed and the light is red, you are NOT running the red light. You are "clearing the intersection", which you have the right-of-way to do. Once you crossed the stop bar appropriately, you are no longer subject to the red light...it just means you need to proceed with your left turn immediately upon the first opportunity to clear the intersection. Due to a brief all-red phase, you will not be in conflict with any other vehicles if you make your turn without delay.


That exactly how people get hit from red light runner’s in the right lane when the pop out behind the cars in the left center lane.

[Topspinmo]

Not too bad at Buena Vista. Morse would be a different story. You would need two left hand turn lanes, which is pretty common nowadays.
He thinking 466A where you’re 30 deep just to get through intersection .

[Polar Bear]

That exactly how people get hit from red light runner’s in the right lane when the pop out behind the cars in the left center lane.
No. It’s not.

First, if you proceed into the intersection properly, you can see approaching traffic. Second...and most importantly...even when the light turns red, you still make sure it is safe to complete your left turn before proceeding. Due to the all-red phase, there is plenty of time to do this.

Making sure there is a safe opening to complete your left turn should be the final step before completing ALL left turns.

[bmarlo767]

And the morons who don't know how to pull into an intersection to make a left turn before the light turns red. If you're behind them you have to wait for complete 4 light cycle

It is against FL law to pull into the intersection if you are not clear to complete the turn.

[Polar Bear]

It is against FL law to pull into the intersection if you are not clear to complete the turn.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

From State of Florida.com | Florida Traffic Signals (https://www.stateofflorida.com/traffic-signals/)
“...A flashing yellow light means you may move forward with caution. It is used at or just before dangerous intersections...”

[pcacace]

The left turn signal going east at 466 and Rolling Acres is now a blinking red arrow. Someone listened.

[NotGolfer]

I gather the accident was after dark last night. No one mentions that the weather might have made the roads slick since it rained yesterday. Also, sometimes the "blind spot" will catch someone who isn't looking when they change lanes and if other cars are close on the tail of one it makes for a crash-bang. I still say folks bring their driving habits with them here. In reading 2 of the posts here---that proves it (the 2 from Long Island). We have friends from further up the eastern coast who tell how bad (good??) it is in the large cities. One friend said if you aren't aggressive---you'll get killed. Well that statement probably has more truth to it than anything. Being aggressive can be fatal too. I just try to remember my driver's education classes and also drive according to the speed limits plus the signage....couple that with being attentive and careful.

[EdFNJ]

Every time there is an accident we get a 5 page thread. Moderators should create a single master car accident thread titled: "There was an accident at___________" then copy all of the comments from it each time a new accident is "announced" in the thread. It's not like The Villages are the only place accidents occur. They do "accidentally" happen outside the bubble all the time as well. :D :D

[THUNDERCHIEF]

You are right- many people in the villages are in a big hurry. They can't wait for a car to pass, instead pull out in front of on coming traffic.

[Nucky]

Every time there is an accident we get a 5 page thread. Moderators should create a single master car accident thread titled: "There was an accident at___________" then copy all of the comments from it each time a new accident is "announced" in the thread. It's not like The Villages are the only place accidents occur. They do "accidentally" happen outside the bubble all the time as well. :D :D

The Forum is here for people to post what they have on their mind like the OP did. I didn't see any personal attack or back and forth with another poster that caused anyone to quit the Forum. Each time this happens it is a reminder for everybody to shape up and calm down behind the wheel. Happy New Year to you and the family!

[PennBF]

Let's agree, the intersection's are dangerous because a lot of the driver's are bad. Either because they go too fast, don't know how to drive, have physical problem's which cause them to be bad drivers, (e.g. vision, physical, etc.). The laxness of controls is because the Sheriff is understaffed therefore not enough staff to control the problems of 466 or the Sheriff does not place enough Deputy's on that priority. The other contribution is poor traffic control, (lights, lanes etc.). NET: Something has to be done to
establish better control's for this RACEWAY.:ohdear:

[Chatbrat]

So, doing 52-53 in a 45 is not being on a raceway--its way better than doing 40 in the left lane & backing up traffic, which will cause multiple car accidents

[EdFNJ]

The Forum is here for people to post what they have on their mind like the OP did. The OP posted NO OPINION (post copied below), just a news report. S/he just announced s/he saw an accident. Didn't even suggest a reason or at least complain about old people driving too fast or slow. But based on your comment, that was EXACTLY what I did. I posted what I had on my mind about the endless "there was an accident" posts like accidents only happen around here. PLUS I had 2 "smilies" after my post so I was just bustin' chops. KnowwhatImean? :icon_wink:

At 5:30 we were turning south onto Morse from 466 and witnessed several cars piled up eastbound at Morse Blvd. One car was crunched both front and back. Several had damage. Emergency squad was not there when we turned but hopefully there are no serious injuries.
Every time there is an accident we get a 5 page thread. Moderators should create a single master car accident thread titled: "There was an accident at___________" then copy all of the comments from it each time a new accident is "announced" in the thread. It's not like The Villages are the only place accidents occur. They do "accidentally" happen outside the bubble all the time as well. :D :D

[Nucky]

The OP posted NO OPINION (post copied below), just a news report. S/he just announced s/he saw an accident. Didn't even suggest a reason or at least complain about old people driving too fast or slow. But based on your comment, that was EXACTLY what I did. I posted what I had on my mind about the endless "there was an accident" posts like accidents only happen around here. PLUS I had 2 "smilies" after my post so I was just bustin' chops. KnowwhatImean? :icon_wink:

IthinkIgotit! Thank's Carnac the Magnificent! :super:

Most people from up north don't joke. :1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Chatbrat]

There are lots of posters on this site that possess Phd's in chops busting

[PennBF]

OK Naysayers. Is there any chance any of you can have one positive thought or creative idea. Example: Is 466 having more than normal accidents or incidents? Do you have any feeling on this? I live just off the road and I do.It is not a negative thought but an observation. Now that we got over that do you have any idea for a solution. If it is Policing is it because the Sheriff is not getting enough resources or can't do the job. Not negative but rather an idea related to a possible solution. Next: Is it the profile of the road and it's traffic lay out. Again a positive direction to a possible solution? Now see that is not hard to do and may lead to helping reducing one or more accidents. Why waste your energy by just taking negative and angry shots at posters who are sincere at trying to fix a problem. Saying it may not be a problem is also positive. Now that is not hard!

[Bogie Shooter]

OK Naysayers. Is there any chance any of you can have one positive thought or creative idea. Example: Is 466 having more than normal accidents or incidents? Do you have any feeling on this? I live just off the road and I do.It is not a negative thought but an observation. Now that we got over that do you have any idea for a solution. If it is Policing is it because the Sheriff is not getting enough resources or can't do the job. Not negative but rather an idea related to a possible solution. Next: Is it the profile of the road and it's traffic lay out. Again a positive direction to a possible solution? Now see that is not hard to do and may lead to helping reducing one or more accidents. Why waste your energy by just taking negative and angry shots at posters who are sincere at trying to fix a problem. Saying it may not be a problem is also positive. Now that is not hard!

Post #6
The blinking yellow left turn arrow. If both left turn lanes have cars, the ability to see thru traffic is blocked.
Changing the yellow arrow to red would contribute to a safer intersection.

[Polar Bear]

Post #6
The blinking yellow left turn arrow. If both left turn lanes have cars, the ability to see thru traffic is blocked...
I'm not saying it's ideal, but if you enter the intersection properly, you can see far enough to make a left turn safely. Or, here is the really fool-proof and totally legal option...

Enter the intersection on the flashing yellow arrow in the proper manner. If you don't think you can see far enough to make a safe left turn, then you simply wait until the light turns red. Then you have the right-of-way to complete your left turn...all perfectly legal and safe.

[Chatbrat]

And or you see all the oncoming traffic coming to a complete stop, in Fl traffic lights are just a suggestion

[OpusX1]

Post #6
The blinking yellow left turn arrow. If both left turn lanes have cars, the ability to see thru traffic is blocked.
Changing the yellow arrow to red would contribute to a safer intersection.

Especially if the vehicle in the opposite turn lane has a large profile like a van or large SUV or pickup, school bus or even a semi.

[coffeebean]

Don't try that in PA.....if the light turns red while you are in the intersection you have run the red light. I learned that the hard way. In PA you don't cross the stop line or crosswalk until the approaching lane is clear. I assume it might be the same here but don't know.

Well, I guess I’ve run lots of red lights! At least I haven’t sat through numerous traffic light cycles. That is the only way to get around on Long Island and New Jersey.

[PennBF]

Bogie Shooter, et al what a great joy to read the post and the ideas or observations as to causes. :bigbow:

[kcrazorbackfan]

The most amazing thing about the accident-is there will be zero mention about it in the Daily Sun

Because it's the Happy Paper!