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Guest
07-05-2010, 09:39 AM
I bet you Republicans are chocking in your cereal about now...Surely you must understand that the President had a horrendous task....I don't think they could pay me enough to take on this mess....I would love to hear some positive (notice, the keyword is positive) feedback on Obama's accomplishments....Is that possible?

:wave:

Guest
07-05-2010, 09:47 AM
I can agree on one point and that is you could not pay me enough to do that job. I know you asked for positive remarks but unfortunately this Independent does not have any to pass along.

Guest
07-05-2010, 10:38 AM
He inspired the citizens to get involved before he and the Dems destroy the USA.

Guest
07-05-2010, 11:59 AM
continuously feed his supporters with words and no action plans, results or accountability and still maintain their support.

And that is as positive as I can get about the man.

btk

Guest
07-05-2010, 12:40 PM
I bet you Republicans are chocking in your cereal about now...Surely you must understand that the President had a horrendous task....I don't think they could pay me enough to take on this mess....I would love to hear some positive (notice, the keyword is positive) feedback on Obama's accomplishments....Is that possible?

:wave:

Yes it is possible. In fact, 278 American History scholars, at this year's invitation of Sienna College, near Albany New York, recently submitted their 1-44 order of best US Presidents. They selected FDR as #1, for I believe the third time consecutive time. Barack Obama was #15. George Bush was #40.

If you read the political forum, you will see that I am one of a very small number of folks who post any favorable comments about the President. I have said that I admire his energy, resolve and overall leadership. I have said I favor the aggressive efforts to stop the economic disaster he inherited, the landmark health care laws, many-sided financial regulations, and Supreme Court nominees. I have not commented much on the response to the oil spill or the war in Afghanistan, because both topics make me sick to even think about. This is not to say I approve of what the President is doing in these two areas. I can't make up my mind what anyone in his position could do that would be better. And finally, with the recent speech on immigration reform, Obama is showing the real courage it takes to tackle another impossible problem and perhaps the biggest political 'hot potato' of all time.

I do not think we are alone in the opinion that there have been some real positive, necessary steps taken by the current administration. However, very few will offer that view here. I believe the reason for that is the inevitable series of angry and even personal attacks which follow such positive remarks about Obama. A number of regular contributors will dispute ANYTHING as being remotely positive. A number are convinced that he has personally written the death warrant of this nation. A number speak with startling ferocity and hatred, directed at the President, the administration, and the posters who think Obama just might be ok.

See. You're off to a good start. PATS2010 has given you the answer for everything in just a few words. Think positive? HA!

Guest
07-05-2010, 01:00 PM
He is destroying this country faster than anyone thought possible. Can you imagine if he chose to do the right thing?
HE TRULY IS AMAZING!

Guest
07-05-2010, 01:06 PM
On October 27, 2008he said the Constitution was fundamentally flawed and needed to be reinterpreted to reflect the realities of today. His two appointments to the Supreme Court will help to make that reinterpretation a reality.

On October 29, 2010 he said, “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming America.” In the time between then and now we have seen; (1) The Medical sector of the economy coming entirely under government control, (2) the automobile and trucking industry come under government ownership/control, (3) the financial and banking system come under government control, and now (4) the move to take the energy business under government control by first declaring carbon dioxide a pollutant and then pushing the ‘cap and trade’ bill that will, in his own words, “"Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket..”

Barack Obama was honest, unlike most politicians, and set about his goal of taking the US from a primarily capitalist system to a largely socialist system. He has succeeded beyond anything most of us could ever imagine possible. These changes will be difficult, if not impossible, to reverse. You cannot unscramble an egg.

Guest
07-05-2010, 01:24 PM
Yes it is possible. In fact, 278 American History scholars, at this year's invitation of Sienna College, near Albany New York, recently submitted their 1-44 order of best US Presidents. They selected FDR as #1, for I believe the third time consecutive time. Barack Obama was #15. George Bush was #40.

If you read the political forum, you will see that I am one of a very small number of folks who post any favorable comments about the President. I have said that I admire his energy, resolve and overall leadership. I have said I favor the aggressive efforts to stop the economic disaster he inherited, the landmark health care laws, many-sided financial regulations, and Supreme Court nominees. I have not commented much on the response to the oil spill or the war in Afghanistan, because both topics make me sick to even think about. This is not to say I approve of what the President is doing in these two areas. I can't make up my mind what anyone in his position could do that would be better. And finally, with the recent speech on immigration reform, Obama is showing the real courage it takes to tackle another impossible problem and perhaps the biggest political 'hot potato' of all time.

I do not think we are alone in the opinion that there have been some real positive, necessary steps taken by the current administration. However, very few will offer that view here. I believe the reason for that is the inevitable series of angry and even personal attacks which follow such positive remarks about Obama. A number of regular contributors will dispute ANYTHING as being remotely positive. A number are convinced that he has personally written the death warrant of this nation. A number speak with startling ferocity and hatred, directed at the President, the administration, and the posters who think Obama just might be ok.

See. You're off to a good start. PATS2010 has given you the answer for everything in just a few words. Think positive? HA!

I'm new here at this forum so I really don't know the cast of characters yet. But aren't you the one who said he could not give long responses because you had a "life" implying that the rest of us were not worthy?
Seems to me that people put too much emphasis on words spoken instead of real action. Many people voted for this career community organizer and rookie junior senator because he talks good.
Admittedly, our previous President wasn't the greatest speaker but he never bowed down to other leaders and he never put-down the USA like this character.
He has shown his lack of leadership with this oil spill disaster and by firing a General that he is not worthy of polishing his boots.
And to top it off, he hires the General that they derided because Bush hired him to win the Iraq war by instituting the spurge.
He has also tripled the deficit. Our grandchildren will suffer because of this very junior senator and community organizer.

Guest
07-05-2010, 01:32 PM
He has a nice set of golf clubs.

Guest
07-05-2010, 01:40 PM
He has a nice set of golf clubs.

Hopefully he should be able to improve his handicap by the end of the term with all the time he has to spend on the links. BTW, who is in charge of keeping score and computing the handicap? CBO? :jester:

Guest
07-05-2010, 01:53 PM
Much of what you claim is frequently and loudly by those who have any Democrat. Time and time again, their claims and assertions have been shown to be untrue. Let's try one more time:
Health care is not under government control...availability of health insurance was broadened...that's all...and our Medicare is government-sponsored health insurance that we pay for every month and we pick the providers. Period.
Two of the big 3 automakers were saved (and several hundred thousand jobs, as well) by the temporary infusion of public money. Much of it has already been paid back and GMs IPO (initial stock offering) this summer will likely result in full payback (and possibly a profit) and sole ownership by the stockholders. The American auto industry has been saved and cleaned up. There's a problem with that? The trucking industry was not involved.
The financial industry was not taken over by the government. Starting under President Bush, the government loaned money to save the industry from total collapse. Most of it has been paid back...some with interest.
You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own set of facts.

Guest
07-05-2010, 01:59 PM
ijusluvit--- Look at the peopel who rated the Presidents. Acadamia!!!! Need I say more? How can this be the third time he has been # 15, when he ahas only been in office 18 months? They shouldn't even be "rating" him until he is out of office.
On a positive note, I think he is probably a good father.

Guest
07-05-2010, 02:15 PM
Sallyjo, Think you need to reread ijusluvits post one more time....
Saratogaman and Ijustluvit, Atta boy!...I was beginning to believe that a positive feedback was impossible....

Let's me ask this question in another way and see if positive feedback is possible...

If you were given this tall task of cleaning up a giant mess that occurred during the previous administration of 8 years, What would YOU do to correct our devastating economy and health care system?

Guest
07-05-2010, 03:22 PM
Listening to you Liberals Spouting the Socialist mantra is scary because you are supporting Obama's agenda.

You do not yet get the fact that Obama is destroying your country and you are helping him with your blind naive support.

Guest
07-05-2010, 03:35 PM
How can they rate somebody 15th when he has been in office 1 1/2 years and been a disaster?
You know the deck is stacked when they rate this incompetent higher then Ronnie Reagan, who was a real great president with a track record.

Guest
07-05-2010, 03:40 PM
Cashman.....What would YOU do in the same circumstance following the Bush administration, near depression and health care OUT THE ROOF!....Put yourself in Obama's shoes....You are President now, let's hear how you would recover from this mess.....Lord help us all!....All the finger-pointing in the world will not turn this around!

Guest
07-05-2010, 03:43 PM
Sallyjo, Think you need to reread ijusluvits post one more time....
Saratogaman and Ijustluvit, Atta boy!...I was beginning to believe that a positive feedback was impossible....

Let's me ask this question in another way and see if positive feedback is possible...

If you were given this tall task of cleaning up a giant mess that occurred during the previous administration of 8 years, What would YOU do to correct our devastating economy and health care system?

Like asking Noah for positive feedback on the Flood, "Well, we needed the rain..." , or Jonah about the whale, "At least I didn't drown..".

To address your revised question, I would probably start by trying to increase the unemployment rate of Government employees to at least 30% or more up to maybe 60%. Gov't jobs do not help the economy. I would have to look at ways to improve existing programs and phase out what doesn't work, instead of throwing more money and agencies into failed ideas. I would like to stop rewarding unions and union policies that reward tenure above ability. "too big to fail' should not be in our vocabulary or mind-set. I would be a strong proponent of 'Term Limits'. Twelve years as a senator and eight as a representative is more than enough time to get something GOOD accomplished. It should never be a life-long career. Let them get out in the real world and live under the laws they pass. Maybe if we put them into the social security and medicare 'pot' they wouldn't be so quick to raid the funds and reduce benefits. I know I would certainly have preferred to have had a job with a salary of 100k/yr + benefits for 12-18 yrs & keep that for me & mine the rest of my life. Even better than being a meteorologist & predicting the weather. (be wrong 50% of the time & still have a job :laugh: ) Social Security could be looked at for ways to be more under personal control. Many good ideas have been floated (and sunk) that would make it less beholden to powers-that-be. Finally, for now, and it should be FIRST on the list, SECURE THE :censored: BORDERS!!!!! Immigration is fine. No problem there! ILLEGAL immigration is NOT!!! Illegal is not just a large, sick BIRD! Every country in the world does it, Why can't we? Even Mexico enforces their southern border with lethal force, and all that the people crossing there are doing is trying to get through Mexico to cross into the U.S!
Is that a good enough list for starters JE?

Guest
07-05-2010, 03:53 PM
Much of what you claim is frequently and loudly by those who have any Democrat. Time and time again, their claims and assertions have been shown to be untrue. Let's try one more time:
Health care is not under government control...availability of health insurance was broadened...that's all...and our Medicare is government-sponsored health insurance that we pay for every month and we pick the providers. Period.
Two of the big 3 automakers were saved (and several hundred thousand jobs, as well) by the temporary infusion of public money. Much of it has already been paid back and GMs IPO (initial stock offering) this summer will likely result in full payback (and possibly a profit) and sole ownership by the stockholders. The American auto industry has been saved and cleaned up. There's a problem with that? The trucking industry was not involved.
The financial industry was not taken over by the government. Starting under President Bush, the government loaned money to save the industry from total collapse. Most of it has been paid back...some with interest.
You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own set of facts.

Everything that is in your post is a mirage, all smoke and mirrors using taxpayers money. This incompetent is boosting and propping up all the above by trible-ing the deficit.
This house of cards will all fall down eventually. No new jobs. This incompetent is the biggest job killer in history.
http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/barack-obama--the-great-jobs-killer-97758294.html

Guest
07-05-2010, 05:59 PM
Great ideas BUT, HOW do you convince CONGRESS to term limitations, good luck on that one!....I agree that government is too big, but when BIGGNESS rules, how do you change the rules, too many FAT CATS, change the cats, how do you hold the new cats to the new rules when they are still making the rules!...Ugh!
Unions were originally to benefit the "little guy", when did that change?
Obama is only one person, I know he has a majority in congress, but for some reason, it doesn't seem to make any difference....because congress is NOT accountable!
I'd like to see Bills pass in congress on their own merit, instead of all the perks for individual congressman to please their lobbyist!!! And I'd love to see the end of the lobbyist!....And certainly last but not least, when will all parties join together for the good of the American people, yea Right, good luck with that one also!!!....
Incidently, I don't believe that BP should nurture a new generation of welfare recipients, granted they need to give them a boost but NOT a new generation of "gimme somthin for nuthin"....
Immigration, what a hot topic!...We need them to do the jobs that Americans don't want to do, BUT, when they become criminals, that is another story...Obviously securing the borders is difficult at best BUT it can be done!

Guest
07-05-2010, 08:20 PM
I'm not a big Bush fan. And I'm even less of a fan of Bush being blamed for everything. But let's look at some facts when talking about Obama and what he inherited when he came into office.

This is an excellent article that should give everyone defending Obama food for thought; especially when continuing to play the Bush Blame Game.

By Keith Hennessey: This debate about the past can continue ad nauseam. At some point I hope it ends, but the President and his team bring it up at every opportunity. It is strange for a President to complain repeatedly about ten-year old policies and then not propose to change them. More importantly, this debate is not relevant to the problems we face today.

Yes, President Obama faced some enormous economic challenges early in his term. His predecessor did as well, even before the crisis of 2008: a bursting tech bubble leading to a recession in 2001, an economic seizure caused by 9/11, corporate governance scandals in 2002, a recession in 2002-2003, the economic uncertainty triggered by invading Iraq (this one was a policy choice), and eventually oil spiking above $100 per barrel.

I think it’s OK for a President to talk about the challenges he and the Nation face. It helps to set reasonable expectations. I think a President should propose solutions to those challenges and describe a brighter future that he hopes to deliver. I think it’s tacky and tiresome for a President to keep bashing his predecessor, especially more than a year after taking office. I acknowledge that my perspective on this point is biased by my professional past.

I also think this refrain weakens President Obama. He is portraying himself as a victim of forces that are beyond his control. A President should want people to focus on him and what he’s going to do, not on a comparison of him with someone else (anyone else). President Obama should want people talking about the Obama Agenda rather than about what happened ten years ago. Ten years ago.

I suspect that many Americans are tired of the blame game, especially more than one year into a new Administration. Whatever your view of President Bush, his policies, and their results, America needs to look forward. We have big challenges ahead of us, and we need to propose, debate, vote on, and then implement solutions.

More than the blame game, this is what concerns me about the President’s economic agenda. The President’s own projections show that his policies will not fix the future problems he identifies. Based entirely on numbers from the President’s just released budget, America will see the following results if all of his policies are implemented as proposed and work as projected:

an average unemployment rate this year of 10.0 percent;
an average unemployment rate in 2012 of 8.2 percent;
a budget deficit this year of 8.3% of GDP;
a budget deficit that at no point in the next decade dips below 3.6% of GDP;
debt/GDP increasing from 64% now to 77% in ten years;
the size of government, measured by both spending and taxes, climbing to historically high shares of GDP;
three problems identified by the President (I do not necessarily agree that each of these is a problem):
continuing the expensive Medicare drug program without paying for it;
continuing the efforts in Iraq and expanding them in Afghanistan without paying for it;
continuing much of the Bush tax relief without paying for it; and
not measurably slowing the long-term growth of the major entitlement programs.
These are the results if the President’s policy program is successfully implemented.

I agree with the President that he inherited a tough situation, although I disagree with his explanation of the causes. Our fiscal car is driving toward a cliff. To avoid the cliff, the President might want to turn the wheel left, and I might want to turn right. At the same time, President Obama has the wheel. Complaining about the previous driver won’t prevent us from driving off the cliff. I hope the President will soon stop focusing on the last decade, and instead propose solutions for the next one



On Monday (Written in Feb.)when releasing his budget the President said:

The fact is, 10 years ago, we had a budget surplus of more than $200 billion, with projected surpluses stretching out toward the horizon. Yet over the course of the past 10 years, the previous administration and previous Congresses created an expensive new drug program, passed massive tax cuts for the wealthy, and funded two wars without paying for any of it -– all of which was compounded by recession and by rising health care costs. As a result, when I first walked through the door, the deficit stood at $1.3 trillion, with projected deficits of $8 trillion over the next decade.

This is a common refrain from the President and his team.


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Argument: The previous administration and previous Congresses created an expensive new drug program … without paying for any of it.

Response 1: Yes, we did. At the time, Congressional Democrats tried and failed to create an even more expensive new drug program without paying for it. (Mr. Obama was not in the Senate at the time.)
Response 2: This Medicare drug program is ongoing. If the President thinks it is too expensive, then he should propose to make it less expensive. If instead he thinks it should be paid for, then he should propose other spending cuts or tax increases to offset the future costs. Pending health care legislation would instead expand this expensive benefit and pay for the expansion, but would do nothing about paying for the ongoing base costs to which the President is objecting. The past six years of deficit spending from this benefit is beyond President Obama’s control. The future spending is not. He could do this through reconciliation with 51 votes in the Senate.
Argument: The previous Administration and Congresses funded two wars without paying for it.

Response 1: The Obama Administration is continuing these wars without paying for them, and expanding forces in Afghanistan without paying for that.
Response 2: Two of those years were with Democratic majorities in the House and Senate. There were legislative attempts to end the Iraq efforts, but none to end the Afghanistan efforts. I don’t remember anyone in the Democratic majority Congress (including then-Senator Obama) making a serious run at cutting other spending or raising other taxes to offset the war costs. Last year Rep. Obey proposed a war tax and was quickly silenced by his colleagues.

Argument: The previous Administration cut taxes for the wealthy without paying for it.

Response 1: Setting aside the mischaracterization “for the wealthy,” President Obama proposes to extend a significant portion of that tax relief “without paying for it.”
Response 2: If all the Bush tax cuts are left in place bracket creep will soon cause total federal taxes to once again climb above their historic average of just over 18% of GDP. Repealing these tax cuts would mean the government would be taking far more from the private sector in taxes than it has in the past. I believe taxes are not too low.
Response 3: Our medium-term and long-term deficit problems are driven by the growth of entitlement spending: Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Raising taxes will not slow this spending, it will just buy us a few years of delay and slow economic growth.

Continued:


http://keithhennessey.com/2010/02/04/need-future-focus/

Guest
07-05-2010, 08:21 PM
He got the Nobel Peace Prize!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA Bye the bye, HA stands for Horses Patute. That is about the best I can think of him.

Guest
07-05-2010, 08:49 PM
Oh, I forgot to say something nice about Obama. He helped start the Tea Party.

Guest
07-05-2010, 08:54 PM
jebartle-- You're right. I misread about Obama being ranked #15 three times. It was FDR. being ranked # 1. Unbelievable, also.

Guest
07-05-2010, 10:14 PM
FDR should not have been in the top 30. He was terrible!!!

Guest
07-06-2010, 05:34 AM
He has a nice large set of ears. I wish he's use them to listen to the people.

Guest
07-06-2010, 06:23 AM
Cashman.....What would YOU do in the same circumstance following the Bush administration, near depression and health care OUT THE ROOF!....Put yourself in Obama's shoes....You are President now, let's hear how you would recover from this mess.....Lord help us all!....All the finger-pointing in the world will not turn this around!

Obama is going the way of Socialist Europe. He and you do not get it that socialism will not work. Europe is moving back toward Capitalism now that socialism has destroyed their economy their institutions and their private enterprise spirit.

I am beginning to feel sorry for you progressive Obama ideologs because your desire to win the argument with we free enterprisers has clouded your thinking.

The sad thing is that you are aiding Obama in his desire to destroy our great country and you fail to accept that.

Now if you come back with your mantra that it is the fault of Bush you are admitting that I am correct here.

Guest
07-06-2010, 08:21 AM
Cashman: Let's see, and you would do WHAT if you were President....Oh yea, that's right, more finger-pointing....Give it up!.....

Guest
07-06-2010, 09:51 AM
Cashman: Let's see, and you would do WHAT if you were President....Oh yea, that's right, more finger-pointing....Give it up!.....

I cannot make it clearer for you to understand.

I am a free enterpriser so I would cut taxes and spending and do all the things required to improve the atmosphere for the private sector to do its thing.

Liberals do not understand this so you do have a serious problem.

Guest
07-06-2010, 09:55 AM
I'm not a liberal, I'm an American, I want to clean up this mess in the worst way, BUT it starts with EVERYONE, not Republicans, not Democrats, BUT EVERYONE being civil and working together....AMEN

Guest
07-06-2010, 10:06 AM
It is very frustrating to hear people say they want to work together when all we had was strife for the whole 8 years of the Bush administration. The man in charge now does not know how to anything but point fingers. That has been getting very, very old. The leadership shown during the oil spill has been dismal, to say the least.

Guest
07-06-2010, 10:08 AM
pats2010: And what would YOU do if you were President!

Guest
07-06-2010, 10:26 AM
pats2010: And what would YOU do if you were President!

First, I would have concentrated on putting people back to work so we can support the government instead of borrowing.

Second, I would have put the health care debate on the back burner until the jobs came back, at least.

Third, I would not be so thin-skinned that I have to make an "enemy list" like R.Nixon did. Sucking up to the bum-kissers and avoiding certain news agencies because they report what is really happening is not a way to conduct oneself in the White House.

Fourth, I would listen to my Generals instead of playing politics. His General asked for more troops and for months Obama just dithered. And when the General says something that he don't like, he fires him and puts in a General that he and the left scorned a few years ago.

Fifth, I would immediately pressure congress into extending permanently the tax breaks that will soon expire. How can the economy improve while businesses are on "hold" to see if taxes will increase.

Sixth, I would put to rest the threat of cap and trade and all other tax increases. Obama has turned businesses sour on the prospects of getting ahead. Most businesses are playing the wait and see attitude and putting all investments and employee hirings on hold.

These are just a few things that I have thought from my memory without researching.
We need major changes at the next election.

Guest
07-06-2010, 10:31 AM
jebartle, when threads get long like this one has, it is hard for me to keep up with what has been said and the back and forth. So, may I very respectably ask you, for my sense of clarity, what specifically it is you are asking others, if they were president, to do or to cleanup. What do you see that needs to be cleanup, fixed, or changed? I guess I'm saying what issues are important to you that you are asking about.

Guest
07-06-2010, 10:49 AM
bkcunningham: I will very respectfully reply that I'm for ANYTHING that will clean up this economy...I'm fairly new to this website and have been very dissolutioned by the bickering in this political forum, I should have my head examined for starting this thread, there will always be opinons, good, bad and indifferent, but I'm alarmed at the TONE of each response. Please, if we have opinons, share this with our congressman, and hopefully he/she will heed our requests. I know that dialogue is a good thing, BUT it is really alarming at the ferocity of the replies....Please, let's keep the PEACE!

Guest
07-06-2010, 11:20 AM
game...look for sympathy by referring to what they inherited...whine about how what ever it is was worse than they thought (because what they did was not working).

The packaging of all things not attainable and their status as a product of the last 8 years is pure partisan narrow minded, non thinking smoke.

The measure of a GOOD executive is what he does with what ever he inherits. He does not blame the previous regime for the "mess"...they DO something about the problem. They do not spend time, wasting time measuring acceptability before action taken. They do what needs to be done, with dispatch, purpose, a plan, timing and accountable implementers.

Cut the blame BS and demand your man do something about it other than talk and play "not me,,,not mine. This type inaction would not cut it for 90 days in corporate America.

So school yard it is pathetic!!!!!!

btk

Guest
07-06-2010, 11:24 AM
Great ideas BUT, HOW do you convince CONGRESS to term limitations, good luck on that one!....I agree that government is too big, but when BIGGNESS rules, how do you change the rules, too many FAT CATS, change the cats, how do you hold the new cats to the new rules when they are still making the rules!...Ugh!
Unions were originally to benefit the "little guy", when did that change?
Obama is only one person, I know he has a majority in congress, but for some reason, it doesn't seem to make any difference....because congress is NOT accountable!
I'd like to see Bills pass in congress on their own merit, instead of all the perks for individual congressman to please their lobbyist!!! And I'd love to see the end of the lobbyist!....And certainly last but not least, when will all parties join together for the good of the American people, yea Right, good luck with that one also!!!....
Incidently, I don't believe that BP should nurture a new generation of welfare recipients, granted they need to give them a boost but NOT a new generation of "gimme somthin for nuthin"....
Immigration, what a hot topic!...We need them to do the jobs that Americans don't want to do, BUT, when they become criminals, that is another story...Obviously securing the borders is difficult at best BUT it can be done!

I'm not a liberal, I'm an American, I want to clean up this mess in the worst way, BUT it starts with EVERYONE, not Republicans, not Democrats, BUT EVERYONE being civil and working together....AMEN

To be honest, you answered your own reply to me. It takes WORK by EVERYONE to make it happen. It's a slow process, by design, to effect changes. Otherwise we would have chaos if the changes were instantaneous and depended on which way the wind blew today.
Regarding your first reply, getting congress to agree, we need to elect people that agree with that and will stand firm, not just say what we want to hear, to get elected. That requires due diligence before we cast our vote. I.E., takes WORK. It is also up to ALL of us to make ALL politicians accountable, in a civil manner. Use of TRUTH and FACTS instead of rhetoric and hate speech. Dissing someone on a personal level is never productive. I never thought "Your mother wears combat boots" was a very effective comeback and probably is no longer a true dis anyway. As for the unions, when the union leaders started to push their liberal agendas and get very political about what they used union dues for and taking large salaries for the top leaders, the 'little guy' got left in the dust. Modern day unions are little more than a microcosm of government, for the most part. The main thrust is 'Entitlements'. Never mind ability, tenure is more important.
I agree Bills should stand on their own merit. We should not have to pass 2000+ page, unreadable bills to "...see what's in it".
Immigration is NOT the topic. ILLEGAL immigration is! Even the unions are complaining that illegals are taking jobs from the union guys. It's a fallacy to believe that we need them to do the jobs U.S CITIZENS aren't willing to do. Most (legal) citizens are willing to do whatever it takes to survive and get ahead. I (warning, Hate speech) hate the term 'undocumented workers'. Try being an 'undocumented worker' in any other country in the world and see how far you get. Go hiking along the border of IRAN and you end up in prison as a spy! 'Undocumented Criminals' should be dealt with appropriately. I'm so tired of our federal 'catch and release' policy. Who's running ICE? The DNR?
...but I digress.....

Guest
07-06-2010, 11:32 AM
To me, it comes down to looking at what steps Obama has taken directly, openly and marked with "helping the economy," so to speak. The discourse in getting points across on this forum comes in at what Obama is doing more discreetly with his Progressive agenda and cohorts.

Anyway, to address some of what he says he's done for the economy and what he wants to do for the economy:

So far, he's passed a $787 billion stimulus plan, the largest spending bill in the country's history. Unemployment is at an all time high.

Capped executive pay. Appointed a task force to oversee the restructuring of the Big Three automakers. Appointed an auto czar to help direct federal funds.

Grants GM and Chrysler billions more in federal loans. Replaces GM CEO Rick Wagoner. Tries to broker a deal between Chrysler and Fiat and with the automakers' creditors and unions to avoid bankruptcy.

Announces $75 billion Making Home Affordable Plan; six banks sign up to participate. The two-part plan calls for servicers to reduce monthly payments to no more than 31% of eligible borrowers' pre-tax income or to refinance eligible mortgages even if the homeowner has little or no equity. The plan also includes incentives for loan servicers to modify mortgages for at-risk borrowers. People are still losing homes at record rates. Home prices are diving. Community organizing groups are working with people to buck the system and just quit paying their mortgages.

Secures release of the second half of $700 billion allocated for the Troubled Asset Relief Program before taking office. Announces broad outline of Financial Stability Plan in February, a revamp of how TARP money will be used. Offers outline on plan to buy toxic bank assets, then later reveals details on how its new public-private investment program (PPIP) will work. Conducts stress tests to assess big banks' ability to absorb losses if economic conditions worsen. Taps Fannie Mae CEO to oversee TARP.



Now, just two weeks ago, according to Obama, the economy is headed in the right direction, but the work isn't finished yet. He says the work left to be done is extending unemployment benefits, helping small businesses get access to loans, and providing relief to states to keep their teachers and law enforcement personnel employed.

Of course this means more taxes. Not better housekeeping of a mess, just more taxes and deficit spending.

When Obama said this on June 30 to a group in Wisconsin, he added that a number of Republican senators are using their power to prevent these measures from coming up for a vote:

"They still believe that, even after the Wall Street crash, even after the BP oil well blew, that we should just keep a hands-off attitude. They think we should keep doing what we did for most of the last decade leading up to the recession. So their prescription for every challenge is pretty much the same—and I don’t think I’m exaggerating here—basically cut taxes for the wealthy, cut rules for corporations, and cut working folks loose to fend for themselves. Basically their attitude is, you’re on your own. ...

"So I just want everybody to remember, we've tried the other side’s theories. We know what their ideas are. We know where they led us. So now we've got a choice. We can return to what we know did not work, or we build a stronger future. We can go backwards, or we can go forward. And I don’t know about you, but I want to move forward in this country."

Now let me ask you jebartle, why did Obama kick into campaign mode and talk down the Republican Party? The Democrats hold a majority, right. Why don't they pass what they feel need to be passed and be done with it?

At this town hall speech, Obama talked about passing "the strongest financial reform since the Great Depression, with measures that would help prevent another economic crisis from happening—but most Republicans are planning to vote against reform, including John Boehner, House minority leader."

Is that a strong leader or a strong campaigner for the November elections? Is that reaching across the aisle and asking for cooperation for the betterment of the country?

The President said, "The leader of the Republicans in the House said that financial reform was like—I'm quoting here—“using a nuclear weapon to target an ant.” That’s what he said. He compared the financial crisis to an ant. This is the same financial crisis that led to the loss of nearly 8 million jobs. The same crisis that cost people their homes, their life savings.

"He can't be that out of touch with the struggles of American families. And if he is, then he’s got to come here to Racine and ask people what they think. Do you think we should fix—I mean, maybe I'm confused. Do you think that the financial crisis was an ant and we just needed a little ant swatter to fix this thing? Or do you think that we need to restructure how we regulate the financial system, so you aren’t on the hook again and we don't have this kind of crisis again?

"When you ask men and women who have been out of work for months at a time, who talk about how they’ve been barely hanging on, they don't think this financial crisis was something where you just need a few tweaks. They know it’s what led to the worst recession since the Great Depression. And they expect their leaders in Washington to do whatever it takes to make sure a crisis like this doesn’t happen again."

He goes on then to promote his clean energy bill and the green jobs. All the while in campaign mode.

"Some of these same folks want to maintain the status quo, where we just rely on oil and other fossil fuels for all of our energy needs, even though we know that our dependence on these energy sources is a problem because they’re finite. They’re going to run out, and that jeopardizes our national security and our prosperity and our planet.

"So I want to move forward. I believe it is time for this country to embrace a clean energy future. I don’t want clean energy jobs to go to China. I don’t want them to go to Germany. I want those industries to take root right here in the United States of America. ...

"That’s why we need to pass legislation that makes clean energy the profitable kind of energy for America’s businesses. We’ve got to have a national mission to change the way we use energy and produce energy. And you know what, it will be good for our economy. It is going to drive our economy in the 21st century."

Now to me the weird part of his speech was at the end when he said,

"It is not time for us to look backward, it’s time for us to look forward."

Really, Mr. President?


http://money.cnn.com/news/storysupplement/economy/obama_100_days/index.html

Guest
07-06-2010, 04:03 PM
He looks like a GQ model and has nice white, straight teeth.

Guest
07-06-2010, 05:11 PM
I have always felt that our national security should be the number one job of the President and he definitely has dropped the ball on this one. I'm just hoping he only has 2 1/2 years left to enact his destruction and I hope we will be able to recover.

Guest
07-06-2010, 05:25 PM
Article II - The Executive Branch Note
Section 1 - The President

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

(The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not lie an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two-thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice-President.) (This clause in parentheses was superseded by the 12th Amendment.)

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

(In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.) (This clause in parentheses has been modified by the 20th and 25th Amendments.)

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section 2 - Civilian Power over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section 3 - State of the Union, Convening Congress

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Section 4 - Disqualification

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Guest
07-06-2010, 06:30 PM
something nice = He won't serve 2 terms.

Yoda

Guest
07-06-2010, 06:45 PM
something nice = He won't serve 2 terms.

Yoda

I hope your right. No, I pray that your right!!!!!

Guest
07-06-2010, 07:13 PM
Yes it is possible. ...While his performance is not enough to attract my vote for re-election, I don't disagree. Those that have untreatable acid reflux over this President or any liberal holding a position of political leadership will no doubt submit the oft-repeated list of all the things he's done badly or not done at all. But the fact remains, under his leadership, quite a lot has been accomplished. We can disagree with various things that have been done--I do in fact. But this President has accomplished quite a bit, having faced the most challenging circumstances for any political leader in recent memory.

Guest
07-06-2010, 07:18 PM
While his performance is not enough to attract my vote for re-election, I don't disagree. Those that have untreatable acid reflux over this President or any liberal holding a position of political leadership will no doubt submit the oft-repeated list of all the things he's done badly or not done at all. But the fact remains, under his leadership, quite a lot has been accomplished. We can disagree with various things that have been done--I do in fact. But this President has accomplished quite a bit, having faced the most challenging circumstances for any political leader in recent memory.

How soon we forget September 11, 2001.

Guest
07-06-2010, 09:15 PM
Bravo Pats!!!!!

Guest
07-06-2010, 10:39 PM
:BigApplause::BigApplause:How soon we forget September 11, 2001.

Guest
07-10-2010, 08:08 PM
He has nice temporary housing and 2 beautiful daughters.

Does that count as 2 nice things?