Too many in the house

[pdfortin]

We have been in TV for a little over 2 years. Permanent, no snow birding. There are many rules in TV that are in place for a reason. We all moved here knowing those rules for the most part. What are the rules behind having your children AND your grand kids living with you in TV. How long is considered a visit? Although we have nothing against children or grandchildren, one of the reasons for moving here was the lack of just that. Nobody ever wants to be "the bad guy" but, rules are in place for a reason. Not wanting to see things get out of hand. Thoughts?

[John_W]

30 days they can visit a year.

I played golf with a resident a while back and his pregnant daughter moved in with them. When she gave birth, he did the right thing. He sold his home and bought a home in Parkwood off CR101. Some people follow rules, others need to be informed or reinforced.

[Two Bills]

We have been in TV for a little over 2 years. Permanent, no snow birding. There are many rules in TV that are in place for a reason. We all moved here knowing those rules for the most part. What are the rules behind having your children AND your grand kids living with you in TV. How long is considered a visit? Although we have nothing against children or grandchildren, one of the reasons for moving here was the lack of just that. Nobody ever wants to be "the bad guy" but, rules are in place for a reason. Not wanting to see things get out of hand. Thoughts?

Probably the most abused rule in TV. and hardly ever, if at all, enforced.

[tophcfa]

Probably the most abused rule in TV. and hardly ever, is at all, enforced.

Most abused along with renting out a room in a house through AIRBNB

[vintageogauge]

Most abused along with renting out a room in a house through AIRBNB

There is an ad in todays Daily Sun offering a room for rent in Monarch Grove and they get to use the family golf car.

[manaboutown]

Where are the women with clipboards cruising around in a golf cart to spot serious violations when you really need them?

[Goldwingnut]

The problem with this is that it is considered an "internal" deed restriction and Community Standards has no authority to enforce these. This become a matter between the home owner, the developer, and the offending home owner. Once you inform the developer of the issue they are responsible for taking action, if not then you have the option to take civil/legal action.

I wouldn't worry too much about being "that guy", while you may win the ire of one or two neighbors, the rest will most assuredly appreciate you actions. Just remember who is in the wrong in this situation.

[crash]

If the children are 19 or older they can live here. Those under 19 are limited to 30 days.

[Bay Kid]

After 5 to 7 days I am ready for family and friends to go back home.

[wamley]

Good to see them come and good to see them go.

[lamay1951]

30 days is the rule

[New Englander]

After 5 to 7 days I am ready for family and friends to go back home.

I'm with you on that.

[Davelinda91]

Can someone please verify the child over 19 can live here statement. I’m not aware of that, I thought I bought In a 55 or older community. I did Hear they can use the pool with out being with an adult but nothing about being able to move in.

[Fredman]

You did not buy in a 55 and older community. By law a certain percentage of residents can be under the age of 55

[parchiba49]

Yes, 19+ can live here. So say, owners, 60, children 40, grands 20, all can live in the home. But I thought there was a limit to how many resident passes per house, though I may be wrong? 55+ communities retain that status as long as 80% of owners (only 1 is needed in the home) are 55. Supposed to be 30+ to use adult and sports pools.

[LuvtheVillages]

Can someone please verify the child over 19 can live here statement. I’m not aware of that, I thought I bought In a 55 or older community. I did Hear they can use the pool with out being with an adult but nothing about being able to move in.

I know a few families who's disabled adult child lives with them. As long as the child is 19 or older, no problem.

In a 55 and over community like The Villages, just 80% of residents need to be over age 55. So 20% can be age 19 - 54. It is monitored via your ID card.

[John_W]

Housing-55 & Older Communities — Florida Commission on Human Relations (https://fchr.myflorida.com/fchr55andolderhousing)

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/588649581b10e370157a9395/t/5a2eaf1f9140b79f63043e31/1513008927974/HOPA+1995+Final+DOC_7770.PDF

HOPA states that the
minimum standard to obtain housing for
persons who are 55 years of age or older
status is that ‘‘at least 80%’’ of the
occupied units be occupied by persons
55 years or older. There is no
requirement that the remaining 20% of
the occupied units be occupied by
persons under the age of 55, nor is there
a requirement that those units be used
only for persons where at least one
member of the household is 55 years of
age or older. Communities may decline
to permit any persons under the age of
55, may require that 100% of the units
have at least one occupant who is 55
years of age or older, may permit up to
20% of the occupied units to be
occupied by persons who are younger
than 55 years of age, or set whatever
requirements they wish, as long as ‘‘at
least 80%’’ of the occupied units are
occupied by one person 55 years of age
or older, and so long as such
requirements are not inconsistent with
the overall intent to be housing for older
persons.
The final regulation retains the
provision that a unit occupied by a
person or persons as a reasonable
accommodation to the disability of an
occupant need not be counted in
meeting the 80% requirements. This
provision ensures that a community or
facility seeking to authorize the
reasonable accommodation for a
resident who, because of a disability,
requires an attendant, including family
members under the age of 18, residing
in a unit in order for that person to
benefit from the housing will not have
its exemption adversely affected by
permitting the accommodation. The
authority for this provision arises under
the Act’s requirement that reasonable
accommodations be provided to persons
with disabilities.
Although occupancy by a person
under the age of 55 who inherits a unit
or a surviving spouse who is younger
than 55 years of age are the original
examples cited by Congress in justifying
the original 80/20 split, HUD does not
consider these to be the only
appropriate uses of the flexibility
provided by the up to 20% allowed by
the exemption, nor are protections for
those groups required. HUD believes
that the appropriate use of the 20%, if
any, is at the discretion of the
community or facility and does not
intend to impose more specific
requirements in this area. For example,
a community could allow some
percentage of its units, up to 20%, to be
made available to persons over the age
of 50, and, as long as the overall intent

[800boss]

Lol

[rmd2]

You did not buy in a 55 and older community. By law a certain percentage of residents can be under the age of 55

The law is a retirement community can allow up to 20% under 55 years old to live there if they wish. If they go over 20% under 55 years they can no longer be considered a retirement community. However, retirement communities can allow zero people to live there under 55 years old. Many communities right around here do not allow anyone to live there unless they are 55 years or older.

[billethkid]

Resale homes have no age restrictions!!

If we wanted to check the status the percentages who is in charge of keeping records of what age people bought what, where? Who moved in when they moved out? Etc?
(Just kidding....we all know it does not exist)....nobody knows and most don't care.

[Patzy]

Can someone please verify the child over 19 can live here statement. I’m not aware of that, I thought I bought In a 55 or older community. I did Hear they can use the pool with out being with an adult but nothing about being able to move in.
Call the standards office and get correct info. Yes over 18. Neighborhood pools are over 30 with owner or guests ID. Rec pools and family pools anyone with ID. Priority pools, residents with membership to priority and their ID guests, any age.

[airdale2]

It all depends on how the deed restrictions and covenants are written.

[OhioBuckeye]

Good to see them come and good to see them go.

I smile when they come & smile bigger when they leave.

[waverly51]

I agree. Nothing against kids, but we moved here specifically for peace and quiet. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what you’re saying. :)

[LuvtheVillages]

If we wanted to check the status the percentages who is in charge of keeping records of what age people bought what, where? Who moved in when they moved out? Etc?
(Just kidding....we all know it does not exist)....nobody knows and most don't care.

The age guidelines are monitored via the Villages ID card that we all have. Its the card you use to get into the rec centers and show when you play golf. They know who owns every house, your age, and if you rent your home.

[DeafDeaf]

Let it go. As long as nothing is happened to hurt you or someone else. This is America! We are free to do anything as long as we like, as long as it does not hurt anyone. Again, let it go!

:bigbow:

[Velvet]

Yeah, let it go so TV can gradually go ‘to hell in a hand basket’. Who cares?

[Bogie Shooter]

Let it go. As long as nothing is happened to hurt you or someone else. This is America! We are free to do anything as long as we like, as long as it does not hurt anyone. Again, let it go!

:bigbow:

You forgot your smiley...…..oh, you were serious?

[asianthree]

Yes, 19+ can live here. So say, owners, 60, children 40, grands 20, all can live in the home. But I thought there was a limit to how many resident passes per house, though I may be wrong? 55+ communities retain that status as long as 80% of owners (only 1 is needed in the home) are 55. Supposed to be 30+ to use adult and sports pools.

No one in the home needs to be 55. It’s the law a percentage can be under 55, and the developer has those numbers. Up to Four people can have resident passes, per home. Any number can have guest passes.

[manaboutown]

Up to Four people can have resident passes, per home. Any number can have guest passes.

Thank you! I wondered how many people can hold resident passes per home.

Any number from a particular home can be provided guest passes...WOW, can that be abused!

[Packer Fan]

Resale homes have no age restrictions!!

If we wanted to check the status the percentages who is in charge of keeping records of what age people bought what, where? Who moved in when they moved out? Etc?
(Just kidding....we all know it does not exist)....nobody knows and most don't care.

I have no idea where you got this information - it is totally untrue.

The villages keeps track VERY easily, it is called the Villages ID system. they even know the ages of all your guests through the guest pass system.... if you want them to use any of the amenities.

[Two Bills]

What I find amazing, is the number of people who buy in The Villages, in complete ignorance of the rules and regs. they have bought into!
Caveat emptor!!

[EnglishJW]

Let it go. As long as nothing is happened to hurt you or someone else. This is America! We are free to do anything as long as we like, as long as it does not hurt anyone. Again, let it go!

:bigbow:

Yes, this is America. No, we are not free to do anything we like. You signed a contract when you purchased your home as we all did. There are numerous restrictions in our community. In part, that is why so many of us bought homes here. Let's keep it that way. If you, or any one, wants to live somewhere where there aren't any restrictions, there are many options. The Villages isn't and won't become one of them.

[John_W]

Let it go. As long as nothing is happened to hurt you or someone else. This is America! We are free to do anything as long as we like, as long as it does not hurt anyone. Again, let it go!

:bigbow:

DeafDeaf, strange screen name, unless you're a deaf person. If so, in 2016 when 35 deaf people sued The Villages Learning School which eventually caused it to close, did you advise them to leave well enough alone?

[Glenbrook Jersey Girl]

Amen!

[thomp679]

I agree. Nothing against kids, but we moved here specifically for peace and quiet. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what you’re saying. :)

Peace and Quiet?? Have you not been to a restaurant, the town square, or within one mile of a active pickleball court. Even at home reading TOTV can be a loud experience with everyone complaining all the time. BTW, I am just being sarcastic. :icon_wink:

[Marathon Man]

Resale homes have no age restrictions!!

If we wanted to check the status the percentages who is in charge of keeping records of what age people bought what, where? Who moved in when they moved out? Etc?
(Just kidding....we all know it does not exist)....nobody knows and most don't care.

This is a myth that will not die. Resales are subject to review and must be approved. It is done when the contract is signed. A resale can be stopped, if we approach the 20% limit.

[Marathon Man]

I agree. Nothing against kids, but we moved here specifically for peace and quiet. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what you’re saying. :)

Children respresent life. I will take life over "peace and quite" any day. I am not here to live in heaven's waiting room.

[iaasah]

If you're a single owner, you only get 1 resident I'd. Not 2 or 4.

[charmed59]

If you're a single owner, you only get 1 resident I'd. Not 2 or 4.

Kind of. Owners get green resident cards. People (like adult children or elderly parents) who are not owners but are permanent residents get blue resident cards.

[manaboutown]

If you're a single owner, you only get 1 resident I'd. Not 2 or 4.

I know. It is a bum deal for a single. It is like going to a golf course or a movie theater, paying for two or even four, but only getting one round or seat.

[petsetc]

Please READ post # 17 by John W which quotes the RULE (LAW).

The rule (LAW) applies to both new and resales.

80% of the houses must have one permanent resident 55+. That person does not have to be an owner. The under 19 child issues is a separate (internal deed restriction) issue.

[asianthree]

Please READ post # 17 by John W which quotes the RULE (LAW).

The rule (LAW) applies to both new and resales.

80% of the houses must have one permanent resident 55+. That person does not have to be an owner. The under 19 child issues is a separate (internal deed restriction) issue.

Not true we bought before we were 55, neighbors next to use bought he was 39 she was 34. No one in the house has to be 55, rules apply to the 80% rule

[14036]

If the children are 19 or older they can live here. Those under 19 are limited to 30 days.
How is this right. The last thing I want is teens next door. We are thinking of moving to the villages because it is a 55. Community

[14036]

Anybody know where i can get a copy of the deed restrictions if that is what it is called. And is it true that you have to use certain contractors to do work on your home supplied. By tv

[asianthree]

Anybody know where i can get a copy of the deed restrictions if that is what it is called. And is it true that you have to use certain contractors to do work on your home supplied. By tv

You have no choice on who builds your home

[Tom53]

Anybody know where i can get a copy of the deed restrictions if that is what it is called. And is it true that you have to use certain contractors to do work on your home supplied. By tv

My understanding of your question is that if you already own a home that's already built, are you limited on your choice of contractors. The answer is NO. You can choose anyone you would like, as long as they are licensed (if the work being performed requires one).

[Marathon Man]

How is this right. The last thing I want is teens next door. We are thinking of moving to the villages because it is a 55. Community

This has been discussed many times. Do a search to get additional information.

And yes, 19yo's can be permanent residents.

[Marathon Man]

Anybody know where i can get a copy of the deed restrictions if that is what it is called. And is it true that you have to use certain contractors to do work on your home supplied. By tv

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/)

Look under "How do I".

[dillywho]

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/)

Look under "How do I".

This link will show that not all Villages have the same covenants/restrictions.

[Topspinmo]

Where are the women with clipboards cruising around in a golf cart to spot serious violations when you really need them?

They probably have under 19 living with them.:ohdear:

[Topspinmo]

I know a few families who's disabled adult child lives with them. As long as the child is 19 or older, no problem.

In a 55 and over community like The Villages, just 80% of residents need to be over age 55. So 20% can be age 19 - 54. It is monitored via your ID card.

And where can I find this ? that’s right it’s just guess.

[Topspinmo]

Housing-55 & Older Communities — Florida Commission on Human Relations (https://fchr.myflorida.com/fchr55andolderhousing)

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/588649581b10e370157a9395/t/5a2eaf1f9140b79f63043e31/1513008927974/HOPA+1995+Final+DOC_7770.PDF

HOPA states that the
minimum standard to obtain housing for
persons who are 55 years of age or older
status is that ‘‘at least 80%’’ of the
occupied units be occupied by persons
55 years or older. There is no
requirement that the remaining 20% of
the occupied units be occupied by
persons under the age of 55, nor is there
a requirement that those units be used
only for persons where at least one
member of the household is 55 years of
age or older. Communities may decline
to permit any persons under the age of
55, may require that 100% of the units
have at least one occupant who is 55
years of age or older, may permit up to
20% of the occupied units to be
occupied by persons who are younger
than 55 years of age, or set whatever
requirements they wish, as long as ‘‘at
least 80%’’ of the occupied units are
occupied by one person 55 years of age
or older, and so long as such
requirements are not inconsistent with
the overall intent to be housing for older
persons.
The final regulation retains the
provision that a unit occupied by a
person or persons as a reasonable
accommodation to the disability of an
occupant need not be counted in
meeting the 80% requirements. This
provision ensures that a community or
facility seeking to authorize the
reasonable accommodation for a
resident who, because of a disability,
requires an attendant, including family
members under the age of 18, residing
in a unit in order for that person to
benefit from the housing will not have
its exemption adversely affected by
permitting the accommodation. The
authority for this provision arises under
the Act’s requirement that reasonable
accommodations be provided to persons
with disabilities.
Although occupancy by a person
under the age of 55 who inherits a unit
or a surviving spouse who is younger
than 55 years of age are the original
examples cited by Congress in justifying
the original 80/20 split, HUD does not
consider these to be the only
appropriate uses of the flexibility
provided by the up to 20% allowed by
the exemption, nor are protections for
those groups required. HUD believes
that the appropriate use of the 20%, if
any, is at the discretion of the
community or facility and does not
intend to impose more specific
requirements in this area. For example,
a community could allow some
percentage of its units, up to 20%, to be
made available to persons over the age
of 50, and, as long as the overall intent

So, no mention of under 19, so what is says is this in NOT retirement community. School busses stop few location’s right of the bubble line. They lied to all of use when they said no under age of 19 can live, cause they are.

[Topspinmo]

This link will show that not all Villages have the same covenants/restrictions.

That cause they have 3 exclusive villages (area) where children are allowed.

[NotGolfer]

Can someone please verify the child over 19 can live here statement. I’m not aware of that, I thought I bought In a 55 or older community. I did Hear they can use the pool with out being with an adult but nothing about being able to move in.

I believe you will find it in your deed restrictions.....

[graciegirl]

Anybody know where i can get a copy of the deed restrictions if that is what it is called. And is it true that you have to use certain contractors to do work on your home supplied. By tv

NO. Absolutely NOT. You can use any contractor you want to use. The 19 or under restriction is part of the rules from HUD governing senior living developments. See here; HUD Laws on Senior Living Communities | Home Guides | SF Gate (https://homeguides.sfgate.com/hud-laws-senior-living-communities-2730.html)

Find out first what CDD you live in to get a copy of deed restrictions. They are a different set of rules you sign when you buy here and they are not from HUD. CDD's are numbered one through 13 now I think. Here is a map; VCDD Districts Map (https://www.districtgov.org/yourdistrict/districtMapIndex.aspx)

[Tom53]

So, no mention of under 19, so what is says is this in NOT retirement community. School busses stop few location’s right of the bubble line. They lied to all of use when they said no under age of 19 can live, cause they are.

When we bought our home in 2015, we did our due diligence and knew about this when we signed, as did most people. The system provides a supply of younger employees for the businesses.

We also looked into the deed restrictions. Although we don't necessarily agree with all of them, we understand the reasons and will comply. The benefits far, FAR! outweigh the minor inconveniences.

We bought here to enjoy the rest of our lives, not to nit pick the little stuff. So far, we have succeeded!

Nobody lied or tried to hide the schools from us.

[MEbner2805]

You can call the villages community standards and inquire about it and do report them as there are very strict rules on that here! 352-751-3912

[Topspinmo]

When we bought our home in 2015, we did our due diligence and knew about this when we signed, as did most people. The system provides a supply of younger employees for the businesses.

We also looked into the deed restrictions. Although we don't necessarily agree with all of them, we understand the reasons and will comply. The benefits far, FAR! outweigh the minor inconveniences.

We bought here to enjoy the rest of our lives, not to nit pick the little stuff. So far, we have succeeded!

Nobody lied or tried to hide the schools from us.


Well, good for you!!!!!:bigbow::bigbow:

[Bogie Shooter]

You can call the villages community standards and inquire about it and do report them as there are very strict rules on that here! 352-751-3912

You should read post #7...……..

[Topspinmo]

Yes, 19+ can live here. So say, owners, 60, children 40, grands 20, all can live in the home. But I thought there was a limit to how many resident passes per house, though I may be wrong? 55+ communities retain that status as long as 80% of owners (only 1 is needed in the home) are 55. Supposed to be 30+ to use adult and sports pools.


It’s who on the deed. Had guy Bragging that they had 10 relatives on deed and all have village ID’s. All visit several times year and all on 1 amenity fee.

[asianthree]

It’s who on the deed. Had guy Bragging that they had 10 relatives on deed and all have village ID’s. All visit several times year and all on 1 amenity fee.

When we bought our homes, only 4 people could be on the deed, with 4 resident passes. Guess passes can be any number. Did not have to be related. Guy bragging figured people might believe him.

[DangeloInspections]

Anybody know where i can get a copy of the deed restrictions if that is what it is called. And is it true that you have to use certain contractors to do work on your home supplied. By tv

Hey 14036....to answer your question, it is not true that you have to use certain contractors to work on your home here. Be advised however, that like everywhere some contractors are great, and some are not and some good folks get taken advantage of. You would be wise to carefully check up on whoever you hire before you hire them. BTW, I'm from Batavia, and my sister lives in Corfu. Welcome!

Frank D'Angelo

[Bogie Shooter]

It’s who on the deed. Had guy Bragging that they had 10 relatives on deed and all have village ID’s. All visit several times year and all on 1 amenity fee.

Maybe bragging guy, was full of crap.

[daystogo]

You all drank the coolade when you bought here. Now you see how the rules can be bent. Short term renters do not contribute to a cohesive neighborhood.
It's all about the money. Seeing strange faces all the time is not what the plan was for the Villages IMOO. As for children living beyond the allotted time here, it's been going on for years with no end in sight. BUT!!!!! put the wrong lawn ornament in front of your house and get harassed for ever.

[asianthree]

As for children living beyond the allotted time here, it's been going on for years with no end in sight.

I wouldn’t call 19yo a child. I know a few who have lived here with their parents for years. Some need assistance for parents, and some of the young adults are unable to care for themselves.

[Marathon Man]

You all drank the coolade when you bought here. Now you see how the rules can be bent. Short term renters do not contribute to a cohesive neighborhood.
It's all about the money. Seeing strange faces all the time is not what the plan was for the Villages IMOO. As for children living beyond the allotted time here, it's been going on for years with no end in sight. BUT!!!!! put the wrong lawn ornament in front of your house and get harassed for ever.

Funny that unhappy people like to say that to happy people. Like being happy is something wrong.

[skip0358]

Think it's funny. Yes we all signed the restriction paper. I'll bet there are VERY few homes that truly comply with ALL the restrictions, does and don't on that piece of paper. But one person brings something up and BAM it hits the fan.There's a difference between living and visiting and sometimes as was stated by a few family situations change and I doubt very few wouldn't break a rule to help a family member out regardless of their age or how long they'll be here. JMO

[vintageogauge]

You all drank the coolade when you bought here. Now you see how the rules can be bent. Short term renters do not contribute to a cohesive neighborhood.
It's all about the money. Seeing strange faces all the time is not what the plan was for the Villages IMOO. As for children living beyond the allotted time here, it's been going on for years with no end in sight. BUT!!!!! put the wrong lawn ornament in front of your house and get harassed for ever.

Rules are bent no matter where you live and there are only 2 sections of TV where renters are not allowed, one section is in Fenney and not sure where the other is located so short term renters are everywhere in TV and most know that as they rented before they bought. You don't get harassed for having lawn ornaments, you are simply told to remove them and only if someone turns you in. You have to take the good with the bad no matter where you live, sometimes you have good neighbors and sometimes you don't, make the best of what you have.

[Bogie Shooter]

You all drank the coolade when you bought here. Now you see how the rules can be bent. Short term renters do not contribute to a cohesive neighborhood.
It's all about the money. Seeing strange faces all the time is not what the plan was for the Villages IMOO. As for children living beyond the allotted time here, it's been going on for years with no end in sight. BUT!!!!! put the wrong lawn ornament in front of your house and get harassed for ever.

I see you joined TOTV last December.....is that when you moved in??

[vintageogauge]

I see you joined TOTV last December.....is that when you moved in??

I noticed that also plus stated "you all drank the Coolade" not "we all drank the Coolade." Which also should be Kool-aid rather than Coolade.

[Marathon Man]

Think it's funny. Yes we all signed the restriction paper. I'll bet there are VERY few homes that truly comply with ALL the restrictions, does and don't on that piece of paper. But one person brings something up and BAM it hits the fan.There's a difference between living and visiting and sometimes as was stated by a few family situations change and I doubt very few wouldn't break a rule to help a family member out regardless of their age or how long they'll be here. JMO

I believe that the majority of homes are in compliance.