Is anyone canceling travel plans due to the Coronavirus?

[manaboutown]

I am considering doing so. Coronavirus death toll rises to 17, heightening global alarm | Fox Business (https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/coronavirus-wuhan-cdc-hong-kong?fbclid=IwAR1RNg9Ym-b-XVEyz6Ej_aqXL7lxhz2Z3MxbQD292itfVlZV0n-eGSRHei0)

[Kenswing]

I am considering doing so. Coronavirus death toll rises to 17, heightening global alarm | Fox Business (https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/coronavirus-wuhan-cdc-hong-kong?fbclid=IwAR1RNg9Ym-b-XVEyz6Ej_aqXL7lxhz2Z3MxbQD292itfVlZV0n-eGSRHei0)

It might keep me from travelling to China for awhile but other than that I'll travel as I always would..

[manaboutown]

I remember going on a two for one price to Hong Kong at the tail end of the SARS outbreak without any problem. However this virus looks like a serious threat if it is not quickly contained.

Apparently discounted flights to China from the USA, as low as $300, are already being offered to the public.

[Two Bills]

I am considering doing so. Coronavirus death toll rises to 17, heightening global alarm | Fox Business (https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/coronavirus-wuhan-cdc-hong-kong?fbclid=IwAR1RNg9Ym-b-XVEyz6Ej_aqXL7lxhz2Z3MxbQD292itfVlZV0n-eGSRHei0)

Just to put a bit of perspective on the problem.
3,287 deaths a day in the USA by car accidents!
Unless going to infected areas in China. Why?

[billethkid]

No!
You are in more danger in either your golf cart or family car and you still do it every day!!!

PS...do not go to China

[manaboutown]

Deadly Chinese coronavirus 'can spread through coughs and sneezes' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7919847/Shocking-footage-shows-chaos-Wuhans-streets-Chinese-city-lockdown.html)

[ColdNoMore]

China quarantines in effect (poke here) (http://news.yahoo.com/china-quarantines-cities-stop-spread-140059290.html)


China quarantines 20 million people in 3 cities; coronavirus vaccine could be 3 months away.


Americans face little risk from the deadly new coronavirus spreading across China and a vaccine could be ready for human testing within three months, the nation's leading expert on infectious disease says.

Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, provided the upbeat message Wednesday as authorities in China suspended planes, trains and ferries in and out of three cities with a combined population of almost 20 million people.

Public transports also has been mostly suspended within Huanggang, Ezhou and Wuhan, the city of 11 million serving as the epicenter for the virus. More than 500 people in China have been diagnosed with the virus and at least 17 have died.

Coronavirus: Here's what airlines and airports are doing to safeguard passengers

A small number of cases have been diagnosed in other countries, including one case in Washington state. Airports in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Atlanta and San Francisco have stepped up health checks for passengers arriving from China.

[tophcfa]

Not changing travel plans, but next time I order a beer I will get a Budweiser instead of a Corona. Something about drinking a beer that has the same name as a deadly virus just doesn’t seem right?

[PanamaKim]

I am considering doing so. Coronavirus death toll rises to 17, heightening global alarm | Fox Business (https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/coronavirus-wuhan-cdc-hong-kong?fbclid=IwAR1RNg9Ym-b-XVEyz6Ej_aqXL7lxhz2Z3MxbQD292itfVlZV0n-eGSRHei0)

Quite the opposite, I’m watching for deals to China now. Maybe they will need to boost tourism due to folks cancelling trips.

[eeroger]

If I had trip insurance, you bet I would cancel a trip overseas. It is even scary in the states. Just yesterday, two Chinese in TX boasted how they got through customs with a fever.

[collie1228]

I have a trip to Beijing scheduled for the end of February, and will probably postpone it. My travel insurance doesn't specifically apply to a disease breakout, so I'm probably not going to be able to get a full refund. My ticket is non-refundable, but for a couple hundred dollars I can make changes. I'll probably go that route. Why take a chance - this is a nasty virus and the number of people effected in China is growing exponentially.

[OhioBuckeye]

No!
You are in more danger in either your golf cart or family car and you still do it every day!!!

PS...do not go to China

Why would anybody want to go to China right now anyhow. Why is it so important to go there while they have a virus? Might as well go to Iran. I say wait until they get this under control, why take a chance!

[manaboutown]

46 Million Chinese Are Now Under Quarantine - More Than The Entire State Of California | Zero Hedge (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/please-help-us-supply-shortages-rock-wuhan-outbreak-overwhelms-chinese-healthcare)

63 suspected US cases; three confirmed cases in US so far.

"This Time I'm Petrified": Virologist Who Helped Discover SARS Offers Chilling Take On Coronavirus Outbreak | Zero Hedge (https://www.zerohedge.com/health/time-im-petrified-virologist-who-helped-discover-sars-offers-chilling-take-coronavirus)

[ColdNoMore]

It's becoming a lot more serious...that's for sure. :ohdear:

[manaboutown]

Video: Dramatic footage shows people collapsing suddenly in Wuhan city | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/china/video-2094890/Video-Dramatic-footage-shows-people-collapsing-suddenly-Wuhan-city.html)

[Altavia]

Good info here:

New Coronavirus from China FAQ (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200122/what-to-know-about-new-coronavirus-from-china)

" Of the 17 people who have died during the current outbreak, most had underlying health conditions such as high blood pressure, diabetes or heart disease, said WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus."

[jacksonbrown]

Your Chance of Dying From the Menacing Coronavirus That Now Threatens Global Human Populations Is 0.0000001137% - LewRockwell (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/01/bill-sardi/your-chance-of-developing-symptoms-or-dying-from-the-menacing-coronavirus-that-now-threatens-global-human-populations-is-0-0000017482-symptoms-0-0000001137-death/)

[Two Bills]

The press and tv news channels are not going to down play the situation, bad news, over dramatised, increases fear in the general public, and sells lots more papers and advertising space.

[KSSunshine]

Catching the Corona virus in a foreign country doesn't sound appealing. We had planned to go to China in October 2020, but never got around to booking it. If we had, I probably would not have cancelled. I remember the SARS virus in early 2000s and still traveled to Trinidad as well as domestically. Lots of people on the plane wearing masks and elbow bump instead of handshakes. If you're going, purchase medical insurance for abroad. As others have pointed out, there are many vehicular deaths and we all still drive!

[blueash]

If this year is typical over 30,000 Americans will die of an airborne contagious disease. These deaths, just like coronavirus, can happen to anyone including healthy people but predominantly will occur in those with other health issues. And no one is telling you to cancel any travel plans in the US to avoid this highly contagious disease. And it happens every single year.

Now all we have to do is await the breathless coverage on TV calling for closing our borders to anyone from China and blaming the administration for not protecting us from this disease which will ravage our nation. But of course no responsible media (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/the-ebola-election-how-the-virus-story-is-giving-gop-candidates-a-boost) would try to whip up panic like that would they? /s

[manaboutown]

An update from the BBC: China coronavirus spread is accelerating, Xi Jinping warns - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51249208)


and CBS: China coronavirus outbreak: Hong Kong declares emergency and closes schools (https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/china-coronavirus-outbreak-hong-kong-declares-emergency-and-closes-schools-2020-01-25/)

[ColdNoMore]

If this year is typical over 30,000 Americans will die of an airborne contagious disease. These deaths, just like coronavirus, can happen to anyone including healthy people but predominantly will occur in those with other health issues. And no one is telling you to cancel any travel plans in the US to avoid this highly contagious disease. And it happens every single year.

Now all we have to do is await the breathless coverage on TV calling for closing our borders to anyone from China and blaming the administration for not protecting us from this disease which will ravage our nation. But of course no responsible media (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/the-ebola-election-how-the-virus-story-is-giving-gop-candidates-a-boost) would try to whip up panic like that would they?


You are correct, no "responsible media" would push their long-held agenda...using this as a smokescreen. :oops:


As for this virus, here's hoping they get a handle on it...very soon. :(



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[bilcon]

:bigbow::1rotfl:Just try and cancel your trip because of a scare of the virus and see what your travel insurance says.

[asianthree]

Hong Kong Disney closed, with no reopening date

[manaboutown]

Hong Kong Disney closed, with no reopening date


I think HK schools have been closed, too.

Also: 4th US case of coronavirus confirmed as death toll rises to 56 in China - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/3rd-us-case-coronavirus-confirmed-death-toll-rises/story?id=68541719)

[Kenswing]

I think HK schools have been closed, too.

Also: 4th US case of coronavirus confirmed as death toll rises to 56 in China - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/3rd-us-case-coronavirus-confirmed-death-toll-rises/story?id=68541719)
Meanwhile as many as 20,000 have died from the flu this season. That's just in the U.S. Let's keep things in perspective..

2019-2020 U.S. Flu Season: Preliminary Burden Estimates | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm)

[manaboutown]

Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio-warfare program - Washington Times (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines/)

[asianthree]

[QUOTE=Kenswing;1712928]Meanwhile as many as 20,000 have died from the flu this season. That's just in the U.S. Let's keep things in perspective..


The post is are you or would you cancel travel plans. Not sure why perspective you need to stay in

[manaboutown]

I have two trips scheduled in February for my son and myself. I used miles to obtain nonrefundable tickets. I am considering driving two days rather than taking connecting flights over a single day.

This is why. Most of the flus and colds I have had over the past 30 years I have picked up on planes and in airports as I flew a lot, several years over 100K miles. I would much rather forfeit the miles and drive than pick up this pneumonia-like coronavirus on a plane or in an airport. I am 78 years old and have already had pneumonia twice. Therefore I am watching to see how this all develops.

Thanks to all of you who have replied sincerely with thoughtful opinions.

[Bjeanj]

From what I’m reading, this is spread just like the common cold and symptoms don’t appear from 1-14 days while still being infectious, so I’m guessing this is going to circle the globe in the next few months. How does one screen for a disease with no symptoms? With that being said, if I plan on traveling in the next little while, I believe I would rather drive than fly.

Why is it that so many diseases start in China, anyway? Or is that a misperception on my part?

[Bjeanj]

Interesting article:

Bill Gates warns that the next pandemic disease is coming - Business Insider (https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-warns-the-next-pandemic-disease-is-coming-2018-4)

[Kenswing]

The post is are you or would you cancel travel plans. Not sure why perspective you need to stay in
You don't believe that perspective plays a role in the decision making process?

[collie1228]

According to a report this morning on NPR, the CDC is now considering certain specific travel bans. I am waiting to see if this comes to fruition before I change my travel plans to Beijing at the end of February. If the CDC restricts travel, there is no way a travel insurance company could refuse coverage.

[ColdNoMore]

Apparently, concern of this outbreak is even affecting...worldwide stock prices.


DJIA - Coronavirus Concerns (poke here) (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-news-live-updates-january-27-2020-124339060.html)

Stock market news live: Stocks slump as coronavirus death toll rises.


Global equity markets slumped Monday as fears over the deadly coronavirus flared further. The sell-off kicked off a busy week for potentially market-moving earnings and economic data releases – including U.S. fourth-quarter GDP and a Federal Reserve rate decision – on a volatile note.

[graciegirl]

The CDC estimates that there are about 50,000 deaths from the flu or flu like illness every year.

2018 2019 flu deaths - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=2018+2019+flu+deaths&FORM=R5FD1)

[golfing eagles]

Just to put a bit of perspective on the problem.
3,287 deaths a day in the USA by car accidents!
Unless going to infected areas in China. Why?

Let's put a better, more accurate perspective on this:

"The table below shows the motor vehicle fatality rate in the United States by year from 1899 through 2017.. For 2016 specifically, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) data shows 5 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day. In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, 30,296 deadly, killing 32,999, and injuring 2,239,000.
YEAR
DEATHS
VMT– VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED (BILLIONS)
FATALITIES PER 100 MILLION …
2018
36,560
3,223
1.13
2017
37,133
3,213
1.16
2016
37,806
3,174
1.19
2015
35,485
3,095
1.15"

[600th Photo Sq]

I am considering doing so. Coronavirus death toll rises to 17, heightening global alarm | Fox Business (https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/coronavirus-wuhan-cdc-hong-kong?fbclid=IwAR1RNg9Ym-b-XVEyz6Ej_aqXL7lxhz2Z3MxbQD292itfVlZV0n-eGSRHei0)

One word .... NO

[manaboutown]

It appears this deadly virus is propagating in a geometric progression, and discovered to be passing from human to human in Germany, not good! Coronavirus outbreak: Americans hope for evacuation from Wuhan as death toll rises (https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/china-coronavirus-outbreak-us-plans-wuhan-evacuation-death-toll-number-cases-rises-today-2020-01-28/)

[billethkid]

Interesting article with comparisons to other epidemics;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/how-the-new-coronavirus-differs-from-sars-measles-and-ebola/2020/01/23/aac6bb06-3e1b-11ea-b90d-5652806c3b3a_story.html

There are many article like this already written.
The media does not do any justice to educate the public. Sensationalism reigns in the media hence the need to seek other sources for REAL knowledge on the subject.

[Fredman]

No more Chinese food for me:bigbow:

[tophcfa]

Since our only travel plans are between Massachusetts and the Villages we are still a go.

[Bay Kid]

I won't be going to China. That is for sure!

[manaboutown]

I think I'll wait a while before I take another cruise. Coronavirus: Italian cruise ship containing 6,000 tourists in lockdown (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/6000-people-in-lockdown-on-italian-cruise-ship-over-coronavirus-fears.html)

Person-to-person transmission of coronavirus reported in US, CDC says | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/health/person-to-person-transmission-coronavirus-reported-in-us-cdc?fbclid=IwAR23hzz2NPr28KmMTVjID9VGSBNCl_9nqccJo iIRUPqDcIGndMT5jGJPhzw)

[collie1228]

Good news for me yesterday. Air China notified me that due to the outbreak, my ticket has been made fully refundable, as long as I cancel before the flight date. Not having to argue with the travel insurance company makes my day.

[ColdNoMore]

U.N. Agency Declares Global Emergency (Poke Here) (http://www.yahoo.com/news/china-virus-death-toll-rises-010248468.html)


GENEVA (AP) — The World Health Organization declared the outbreak sparked by a new virus in China that has spread to more than a dozen countries as a global emergency Thursday after the number of cases spiked more than tenfold in a week.

The U.N. health agency defines an international emergency as an “extraordinary event” that constitutes a risk to other countries and requires a coordinated international response.

While some may complain or accuse the media of sensationalism, or overreaction by others, the fact of the matter is that a deadly worldwide viral outbreak is one of the few things that can seriously & adversely affect every single person on this planet...and demands the appropriate seriousness.

[Kenswing]

We're going to Japan for three weeks in April. This is a little concerning that even with people testing positive that have been evacuated from China that Japan doesn't have a mandatory quarantine for the others. They are allowing them to "self quarantine".. Hopefully they rethink that policy in short order.

Three Japanese evacuated from Wuhan test positive for virus (https://news.yahoo.com/three-japanese-evacuated-wuhan-coronavirus-031705416.html)

[manaboutown]

Coronavirus: death toll reaches 212 after WHO declares global emergency – live news | World news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jan/30/coronavirus-live-updates-china-death-toll-wuhan-evacuation-foreign-nationals-citizens-latest-news)

[asianthree]

We're going to Japan for three weeks in April. This is a little concerning that even with people testing positive that have been evacuated from China that Japan doesn't have a mandatory quarantine for the others. They are allowing them to "self quarantine".. Hopefully they rethink that policy in short order.

Three Japanese evacuated from Wuhan test positive for virus (https://news.yahoo.com/three-japanese-evacuated-wuhan-coronavirus-031705416.html)

Death toll is a little over 200, so far. This morning the news stated it is now a global event. I am sure you bought travel insurance, but I am guessing you may be able to cancel with full refund soon

[golfing eagles]

U.N. Agency Declares Global Emergency (Poke Here) (http://www.yahoo.com/news/china-virus-death-toll-rises-010248468.html)




While some may complain or accuse the media of sensationalism, or overreaction by others, the fact of the matter is that a deadly worldwide viral outbreak is one of the few things that can seriously & adversely affect every single person on this planet...and demands the appropriate seriousness.

While this pains me:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:, CNM is absolutely correct. World health authorities need to, and are, taking this as serious. Now that doesn't mean we need to shelter in our homes and be afraid of our shadows. We're a long way from monks ringing a bell in the streets as they yell "Bring out your dead"

[asianthree]

While this pains me:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:, CNM is absolutely correct. World health authorities need to, and are, taking this as serious. Now that doesn't mean we need to shelter in our homes and be afraid of our shadows. We're a long way from monks ringing a bell in the streets as they yell "Bring out your dead"

During the plague, they just put the dead in the flower beds, cause the cemetery was full:clap2:

[manaboutown]

Coronavirus Contains "HIV Insertions", Stoking Fears Over Artificially Created Bioweapon | Zero Hedge (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-contains-hiv-insertions-stoking-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon)

[ColdNoMore]

Now we're finding out that the Chinese have been lying and that there are actually 7 times as many cases...than what they've reported? :22yikes:

And then there's this...

House Arrest (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/01/across-china-cities-turn-into-ghost-towns-as-coronavirus-infects-more-than-10000)

Cities are becoming ghost towns, while at the heart of the outbreak people are being disinfected after taking the bins out.

Last week, in the last few days of China’s lunar new year holiday, the streets of Beijing were decorated with fairy lights and glowing red lanterns, but eerily empty. Normally busy restaurant and bar strips were dark. Residential compounds, often lax in their security, closed their gates, with guards ordering anyone entering to register and have their temperature taken. Public buses carried only a few passengers. Those restaurants that were open were mostly empty, with only small groups of diners. At Beijing Capital airport, staff, including some health workers in full hazmat suits, outnumbered passengers.

“It’s weird,” said Li, 42, a teacher from Beijing who has remained in the city since the outbreak of the coronavirus. “This isn’t Beijing. Beijing always has a lot of people. Right now the roads, restaurants and malls are all empty.” She spends her days at home cooking and eating, occasionally going to the shop for supplies.

[Kenswing]

And if that's not bad enough, they're now dealing with a Bird Flu outbreak too.. China reports bird flu outbreak in Hunan province [Video] (https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-reports-bird-flu-outbreak-213148810.html)

China's Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs announced Saturday an outbreak of a highly pathogenic strain of H5N1 bird flu at a farm in the southern province of Hunan.
The virus was discovered on a farm with nearly 8,000 chickens - more than half of them have already died because of the outbreak.

[graciegirl]

Now we're finding out that the Chinese have been lying and that there are actually 7 times as many cases...than what they've reported? :22yikes:

And then there's this...

House Arrest (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/01/across-china-cities-turn-into-ghost-towns-as-coronavirus-infects-more-than-10000)

I agree. I think it is a serious situation that could become a pandemic.

[golfing eagles]

I agree. I think it is a serious situation that could become a pandemic.

Part of the problem is the media. To quote Tommy lee Jones from "Men in Black":

"There's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser or a Korilian Death Ray or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable planet The only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they DO NOT KNOW!"

Sometimes planting your head in the sand is best, unless you're planning on taking in refugees from Wuhan

[DeanFL]

...we're so worried that our meals are on plastic plates. No China.

[petiteone]

A bad sign for us old Villagers.