Concealed carry guns

[Vinny]

Does anyone know where in the Villages you cannot carry a concealed handgun? Cannot seem to find much on it. A family member with a ccw permit visits us often and asked me the question. All I was able to find was what the law prohibits and that private property can ask you to leave if you carry a gun. So basically he needs to know which places in the Villages post signs prohibiting guns. I cannot seem to find anyone that knows. Most just keep a gun at home for self defense and really do not know for certain which places in TV do not want a gun. Movie theater? Hospital? Doctor Office? Stores? I have been looking for signs at places I visit and have not seen any so I am asking for your help. Heard about a dropped gun going off in Walmart a few weeks ago. Really puzzles me as modern guns have drop safeties. From many years of shooting competitively and in combat I suspect the real reason they go off is that they start falling and the instinctive thing to do is grap it and sometimes people grab the trigger. If they went off when they were dropped, mine would have done so many times in Vietnam.

[redwitch]

So far as I know, as long as you have a Florida permit, you can carry a concealed weapon anywhere. I know I do and no one has ever made an issue of it nor have I seen a sign saying I can't. Of course, I don't pull it out and it truly is there for a very good reason. I do believe that if you carry a concealed weapon with an out-of-state permit, you cannot take it into public areas -- you will have to leave it in your vehicle, secured properly -- but I won't swear to this, either.

[Bogie Shooter]

Why would you need to carry a gun in TV?

[bkcunningham1]

See if this helps answer your question.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0790/titl0790.htm&StatuteYear=2009&Title=%2D%3E2009%2D%3EChapter%20790

[graciegirl]

Why would you need to carry a gun in TV?

OH Bogie I so agree.

That is a very good question indeed.

Dear Vinny. Do NOT carry it at the pool. Someone might steal it or it might get wet and all rusty.


I am teasing you Vinny, please don't point that thing at me.

Boy Howdy. Me and my big mouth.

[Pats2010]

Why would you need to carry a gun in TV?

Why not? :confused:

Didn't they same the same thing at Ft. Hood? (I think it was Foot Hood that the terrorist killed all those soldiers)

[billethkid]

http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal/florida-ccw-state-laws.php

Scroll down and on the left side there is a travel planner that will provide what is needed to know on states one might travel to/through.

You cannot carry into a voting place; many bars prohibit carry even with a permit.

I never have a problem with when or where I carry and offend no one as it is my personal business/preference and not one for discussion.

btk

[Bogie Shooter]

Why not? :confused:

I suppose one can never tell when someone will draw on you. Or we could have gunfights at the town squares on alternate Saturday's at noon.

[graciegirl]

You guys planning to come to the luncheon at Crispers?

[Xavier]

Does anyone know where in the Villages you cannot carry a concealed handgun? Cannot seem to find much on it. A family member with a ccw permit visits us often and asked me the question. All I was able to find was what the law prohibits and that private property can ask you to leave if you carry a gun. So basically he needs to know which places in the Villages post signs prohibiting guns. I cannot seem to find anyone that knows. Most just keep a gun at home for self defense and really do not know for certain which places in TV do not want a gun. Movie theater? Hospital? Doctor Office? Stores? I have been looking for signs at places I visit and have not seen any so I am asking for your help. Heard about a dropped gun going off in Walmart a few weeks ago. Really puzzles me as modern guns have drop safeties. From many years of shooting competitively and in combat I suspect the real reason they go off is that they start falling and the instinctive thing to do is grap it and sometimes people grab the trigger. If they went off when they were dropped, mine would have done so many times in Vietnam.

forgetaboutit

Sit back, relax, close your eyes and soak in paradise.

forgetaboutit

Xavier

[billethkid]

it is a very personal decision for personal reasons. When or where or why one carries is not determined by a location such as TV....same way cops don't have to decide whether or where to wear their weapon.

An armed citizen is a criminals worst nightmare...ANYWHERE.

btk

[graciegirl]

it is a very personal decision for personal reasons. When or where or why one carries is not determined by a location such as TV....same way cops don't have to decide whether or where to wear their weapon.

An armed citizen is a criminals worst nightmare...ANYWHERE.

btk

It kind of scares some law abiding citizens too. Man, am I glad I spent most of my life in West Chester, Ohio.

[Xavier]

Do you feel a distinct tone from those that hang out in the Political Forum?

[Pats2010]

Do you feel a distinct tone from those that hang out in the Political Forum?

Tone of the law? Do you like to polarize people?

[bkcunningham1]

This isn't the political forum Xavier, but since you asked. The tone of my comment by supplying a link to state law, and as far as firearms is concerned, is the second amendment of the US Constitution. It's a law that has been around since 1791 and was just upheld in the Supreme Court decision McDonald v. Chicago.

[mac9]

Firearms, even with a conceal permit, are forbidden in schools (both public and private), state and federal parks, anywhere where alcohol is served, pharmacies, post offices, and all government (federal, state, and municipal) buildings.

[Talk Host]

I would remind everybody that living in the Villages does not shield you from real life. Don't forget there was a drug related homicide in The Villages a few years ago (in a private home). I was called for jury duty for that murder trial.

There have been dozens of home invasions, many of them while the homeowners were present.

Life in the Villages is wonderful, but please don't ever think that you are immune from real crimes being committed against you.

Most people choose not to carry a gun. Those that do are within their rights and have a slight upper hand when faced with a life threatening situation.

JLK

[Talk Host]

Firearms, even with a conceal permit, are forbidden in schools (both public and private), state and federal parks, anywhere where alcohol is served, pharmacies, post offices, and all government (federal, state, and municipal) buildings.


I believe handguns are now allowed in National Parks. I may be wrong, but I think that was recently announced.

[laryb]

I don't carry a concealed weapon and don't plan to, but I do believe it's your right to. Having said that, I don't want to see everyone "packing heat" either. Now I can't speak for Redwitch, but I certainly understand her situation. A woman entering to inspect or maintain multiple homes everyday alone has every right to be able to protect herself. There are sicko's everywhere.

[Bogie Shooter]

I would remind everybody that living in the Villages does not shield you from real life. Don't forget there was a drug related homicide in The Villages a few years ago (in a private home). I was called for jury duty for that murder trial.

There have been dozens of home invasions, many of them while the homeowners were present.

Life in the Villages is wonderful, but please don't ever think that you are immune from real crimes being committed against you.

Most people choose not to carry a gun. Those that do are within their rights and have a slight upper hand when faced with a life threatening situation.

JLK
Is this an opinion or are there facts somewhere that I can look up?

[dpingram]

I know that FL and Va have reciproca laws covering concealed weapons. As a VA resident if I travel to FL I can conceal my weapon but when I go through NC I have to have it out and visible. In VA you could not take a gun in an establishment that serves alcohol. That law was changed this year. You may take a gun in you just can't consume alcohol.
I wouldn't imagine that you would need a gun out and about in TV but you never know. The Town centers are public and so are the main roadways. I don't carry my gun everytime I go out. If I travel alone or am out at night I do put it in the car.
I'm not sure how the gun in Wal-Mart went off. My gun has a SAFETY.

[dpingram]

reciprocal (I left out the l)

[mac9]

Talk Host, you are absolutely right about national parks. It was prohibitted when I received my permit.

[pooh]

Is this an opinion or are there facts somewhere that I can look up?

Searching online here quickly at TOTV brings up one instance....in Feb, 2009, Feb. 11th, on page C4 of The Daily Sun, a report of a forced entry here in our community. I'm sure there are other reports.

Before we moved here, I was told by a friend who has lived here for many, many years, that there are some thefts, break-ins, etc, but not on the same scale as outside of the community. While that isn't definitive proof, I do realize that no area is immune from crime. My neighbor had a delivery of aluminum for her new cage arrive while she was away. Her housesitter was awakened in the night by noises outside. It was discovered that thieves had tried to steal the material. At daylight, many pieces of the unassembled structure were found on the golf course hole her house faces.

Living here I feel much safer than where I did live previously. Neighbors are more aware of "different" in the neighborhood, they watch out for each other, help others, willingly offer time and energy to make their friends and neighbors feel happy and cared for. There seems no other place quite so nice.. :) Well, there probably is, but I have a lot of pride in my new hometown and can't imagine any place is quite like TV.

[Pats2010]

I suppose one can never tell when someone will draw on you. Or we could have gunfights at the town squares on alternate Saturday's at noon.

Tell your joke to the victims of Fort Hood.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

[Pturner]

Most people choose not to carry a gun. Those that do are within their rights and have a slight upper hand when faced with a life threatening situation.

JLK

TH, I remembered an earlier post of yours on this subject that I found thought provoking. I'm curious if you've changed your view. The earlier one:

I wonder how many people have ever pointed a loaded gun at a human being. I have. Let me tell you, all bets are off.

The thousands, no millions, of people who gloat that they will "blow away" anybody that threatens them, or breaks into their house, have no idea what it's like to hold somebody's life in their hands.

If you make the wrong decision in a split second, your whole life is lost. You can lose your house, your family, your home, or your life. If you make the wrong decision, you can spend the rest of your life in prison. In any event, you will spend the rest of time wondering if you did the right thing, or if their could have been an alternative.

When I was much younger, I was a cop for four years in Mahoning County, Ohio. I thought my uniform and my gun were a great equalizer. That notion faded fast the first time I had a man in my gun sight. Worse yet is the feeling when a wrong doer has you in his gun sight.

Aside from all the obvious ramifications of using a gun for defense in your home, I investigated a case where a man's wife lost most of her hearing permanently when her husband discharged a .357 magnum in their bedroom, shooting at an intruder. The intruder who was serious injured, but survived, was their drunk neighbor who wandered onto the wrong patio.

JLK

[graciegirl]

There will be no changing minds of people who are afraid here.

I see no reason to be afraid here.

Or to carry a gun.

[Pats2010]

There will be no changing minds of people who are afraid here.

I see no reason to be afraid here.

Or to carry a gun.

I hope you are right, but you know what they say, about someone who hasn't been mugged yet. I wish there was no such thing as evil people. ( I also wish there was a Santa Clause);)

[Taltarzac]

I have an acquaintance here in the Villages whose wife thought that there was an intruder in the house. She ended up shooting the vacuum cleaner. I guess it shifted after someone put it a way.

I would think that a security level can of pepper spray would be as good as a handgun in most situations you would encounter in the Villages.

[byars]

for those against guns ive heard wasp spray is a good tool because of the range and what will do to someones eyes!! i prefer my s&w revolver. dont need a safety and very safe to use.

[cabo35]

The only NO CDW restriction sign I have seen is in the Lady Lake Post Office.

This site may answer many questions. The trend for the last 30 years has been toward less restriction on carrying weapons. If you surf this site that will be explained in a year by year graphic. It explains the permitting requirements state by state. Personally, I have two state CDW permits and a third that is nationwide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States#No-Issue

State by state reciprocity maps...very informative.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

[Talk Host]

Is this an opinion or are there facts somewhere that I can look up?


Check with the sheriff's department. These were high profile cases and reported at the time in the Daily Sun. The perpetrators in some of these cases were arrested and are now serving time.

Several of the burglaries were at night and the invader walked into the bedroom of the sleeping residents.

I don't intent to research the exact dates for you, but they are available if you wish to check.

You could check this thread for some information about one of the situtations. There have been several. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9930&highlight=burglary or this one https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20425&highlight=burglary or this one https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11827&highlight=burglary or this one https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9861&highlight=burglary

[K9-Lovers]

There will be no changing minds of people who are afraid here.

I see no reason to be afraid here.

Or to carry a gun.

Most people who carry guns are not doing so because they are "afraid". Other people who may not carry a gun but take take security precautions such as locking their doors and putting up motion sensor lights are not "afraid".

People who take precautions are not afraid but more aware of potential situations than others.

Please don't assume that because you've been lucky in your life to not experience break-ins, theft, violence, or worse, that it does not exist. Evil is alive and kicking on this earth, and that includes The Villages and even West Chester, Ohio. You can check local Sheriff and Police statistics easily on the internet. If you do, you may be surprised to learn that TV has quite a bit of crime against property. Fortuately, here in TV crime against people is quite low.

Graciegirl, I pray that evil never befalls you. You seem to be a very sweet and loving person. I am sweet and loving, too. But, I am aware that everyone is not like you.

[graciegirl]

Most people who carry guns are not doing so because they are "afraid". Other people who may not carry a gun but take take security precautions such as locking their doors and putting up motion sensor lights are not "afraid".

People who take precautions are not afraid but more aware of potential situations than others.

Please don't assume that because you've been lucky in your life to not experience break-ins, theft, violence, or worse, that it does not exist. Evil is alive and kicking on this earth, and that includes The Villages and even West Chester, Ohio. You can check local Sheriff and Police statistics easily on the internet. If you do, you may be surprised to learn that TV has quite a bit of crime against property. Fortuately, here in TV crime against people is quite low.

Graciegirl, I pray that evil never befalls you. You seem to be a very sweet and loving person. I am sweet and loving, too. But, I am aware that everyone is not like you.

My neighbor who is from just outside New York city said much the same. It is easy to bring up statistics. We compared. You can too.

Thank you for your kind wishes. I have tried to work hard and place myself in places that are a little safer. This is one of them. No place is without unscrupulous people..ever or people who break laws... But I don't look to be hit by cross fire here anymore than I would in West Chester, Ohio. If you haven't been there, it is relatively safe.

People who carry guns are different than me. I may see the need someday. I don't now.

[Vinny]

Why would you need to carry a gun in TV?
Some believe that if you carry you need to do it all the time. If you knew when you would need a handgun you would avoid the place or if that were not possible, take a cop with you.

People carry them all the time for the same reasons people carry spare tires. You never know when and where you will need it. I've picked up a nail in my tire driving on seemingly clean and safe roads. One of the reasons why Florida's concealed carry law was passed was due to the large senior citizen population being selected as easy targets. I can understand the concern of those who have moved here from safe towns and cities but some of us have seen what even "good" people can do to each other. Also try to attend one of those meetings with a local sheriff and you may learn that most of the crime in TV is caused by guests and other outsiders. At least consider the possibility of the risk in living in a community where many of the homes are rented out to strangers. Bad people take vacations too. :-) In the end, the sheep dogs will be around to protect the sheep. We all have to decide which of these we want to be.

[pooh]

My neighbor who is from just outside New York city said much the same. It is easy to bring up statistics. We compared. You can too.

Thank you for your kind wishes. I have tried to work hard and place myself in places that are a little safer. This is one of them. No place is without unscrupulous people..ever or people who break laws... But I don't look to be hit by cross fire here anymore than I would in West Chester, Ohio. If you haven't been there, it is relatively safe.

People who carry guns are different than me. I may see the need someday. I don't now.

Hopefully, you will never have a need to carry a weapon, Gracie.

One thing that does bother me is that there are some unscrupulous individuals that do take advantage of older adults, here as well as in other parts of our country. Sometimes I think more cash is taken by dishonest businesses or business practices than by break-ins.

We do feel much more safe here, too, Gracie.

[Russ_Boston]

Don't forget there was a drug related homicide in The Villages a few years ago (in a private home). I was called for jury duty for that murder trial.

Wasn't that a family situation? Ex boyfriend or something like that? Unless you have the gun on your person while you're watching the televison in your house it doesn't help much with a home invasion.

But if you feel the need - carry away! I don't and never will.

[BobKat1]

This issue will never be settled, or agreed upon, here on TOTV. As long as it's legal, personal preferences will prevail.

[graciegirl]

This issue will never be settled, or agreed upon, here on TOTV. As long as it's legal, personal preferences will prevail.

You are right as usual BobKat.

I will put the silencer on.

[Vinny]

OH Bogie I so agree.

That is a very good question indeed.

Dear Vinny. Do NOT carry it at the pool. Someone might steal it or it might get wet and all rusty.


I am teasing you Vinny, please don't point that thing at me.

Boy Howdy. Me and my big mouth.
Read my post. Did I say that I carried a gun? I shoot as a hobby at gun ranges so a lot of my friends and family carry guns and they wanted to be legal and polite for those times when they visit me. Gracie, that 80 year old lady behind you at the checkout counter may very well be packing heat. I have had 8 women in TV tell me that they carry a gun in the 7 weeks I have been here There is a movement afoot to allow open carry which means you would be allowed to carry a gun in plain sight. Might go well with the theme for the new town square.

[K9-Lovers]

This issue will never be settled, or agreed upon, here on TOTV. As long as it's legal, personal preferences will prevail.

That's what our great country is all about!!

And, Vinny's statement says it all in a nutshell:

"In the end, the sheep dogs will be around to protect the sheep. We all have to decide which of these we want to be."

I'm certainly not a helpless lamb putting myself in harms way without thought to the consequences, or the consequences of those who are then called upon to protect me. I'm not quite the sheep dog yet, either. But I sure do love those who put themselves in harms way to protect us all.

[Pats2010]

Read my post. Did I say that I carried a gun? I shoot as a hobby at gun ranges so a lot of my friends and family carry guns and they wanted to be legal and polite for those times when they visit me. Gracie, that 80 year old lady behind you at the checkout counter may very well be packing heat. I have had 8 women in TV tell me that they carry a gun in the 7 weeks I have been here There is a movement afoot to allow open carry which means you would be allowed to carry a gun in plain sight. Might go well with the theme for the new town square.

:beer3: I don't think having guns in plain sight is a good idea as bad people may attempt to take it away from you. I prefer to keep the perps guessing as to who might be carrying.;)

[Vinny]

Firearms, even with a conceal permit, are forbidden in schools (both public and private), state and federal parks, anywhere where alcohol is served, pharmacies, post offices, and all government (federal, state, and municipal) buildings.
Check the law regarding alcohol and you will find the distinction between a bar and a restaurant that serves alcohol. In a restaurant you can carry as long as you stay away from any defined "bar" area.
If I am wrong please refer me to the appropriate regulation that is current. Thanks.

[Vinny]

:beer3: I don't think having guns in plain sight is a good idea as bad people may attempt to take it away from you. I prefer to keep the perps guessing as to who might be carrying.;)
I agree but the only benefit I see is eliminating the worrying about accidentally exposing your concealed weapon.

[K9-Lovers]

Vinny,

Your new avatar (profile photo) seems to be especially appropriate for this thread!! :boom:

[Vinny]

There will be no changing minds of people who are afraid here.

I see no reason to be afraid here.

Or to carry a gun.
Hopefully you will never find your reason.

[Vinny]

Vinny,

Your new avatar (profile photo) seems to be especially appropriate for this thread!! :boom:
I was in the mobile artillery in Nam. No way to carry those concealed.

[Russ_Boston]

This issue will never be settled, or agreed upon, here on TOTV. As long as it's legal, personal preferences will prevail.


Nothing to settle. If you have a permit, carry if you want to.

[BlueHeronFan]

TH, I remembered an earlier post of yours on this subject that I found thought provoking. I'm curious if you've changed your view. The earlier one:

Previous discussion, and frankly, confusing as to the change in TH opinion.

Perhaps a brief look for those who don't always stay in TV bubble, but hope to enjoy a little more of Florida that just a cart path.

Orlando area.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/orl-homicidemap-main,0,1692675.htmlpage

Tampa area.
http://spotcrime.com/fl/tampa

Leesburg.
http://leesburgfl.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm

Better prepared than sorry you weren't.

[Vinny]

Wasn't that a family situation? Ex boyfriend or something like that? Unless you have the gun on your person while you're watching the televison in your house it doesn't help much with a home invasion.

But if you feel the need - carry away! I don't and never will.
I do have a gun within easy reach at home at all times. I have s plan to protect my family in case of a home invasion. What is your plan to protect yours?

[Talk Host]

Please don't confuse my two posts as being opposed to each other. Today, I said, "Those that do (carry) are within their rights and have a slight upper hand when faced with a life threatening situation."

That has absolutely nothing at all to do with my previously posted position that many people don't think about the ramifications of using a firearm against somebody.

Two completely different things.

I still contend that most people, who have never pointed a loaded gun at somebody, or had a loaded gun pointed at them, have no idea what it is like. It's easy to say "I will shoot anybody who enters my house." Ya, well see what you say when you look down the barrel of your pistol and see the face of a teenage boy about the age of your grandson. You better be right when you pull the trigger, because if you misread the situation, you could loose everything you have, including your mind.

I said today, (read it) that if you have a gun, you have a slight upper hand. That's all.

BTW, I have a Florida concealed weapons permit. It is valid in 21 states, not including New York. I also have a New York pistol permit. I own numerous handguns and would use them for protection.

[redwitch]

For some of us, there are very valid reasons to carry and not just for general protection. I was anti-gun most of my adult life. Unfortunately, I have had a stalker for almost 20 years now and, even after a prison sentence for stalking and attempted murder, he has not given up. He is the reason I moved to TV. If he ever finds me here, he will be dead (or I will). Florida has a truly lovely law that if you feel you are in mortal danger, you can shoot. I spent 2 years afraid to leave my house after he attacked. I refuse to live that way again and if it means I carry at all times,, so be it. I have no doubt in my mind that I will use it if I see this thing on two legs. No place is 100% safe. I learned that the hard way.

[billethkid]

some where posting there is an alarm system....on my doors is a little sign that says....this property is protected by Smith & Wesson...if a person enters my home at night they are at extreme risk, whether they be teen ager, old fart or rabid maniac...they are all guilty of the same thing...and exposed to the same risks/results...trained shooters do not shoot what they cannot see!!!!

Persons who carry concealed do it properly and accidental "exposure" is unlikely.

I find the subject most interesting as usual. And am always impressed with the varying opinions/feelings about guns. Gun ownership is first hand understanding.

btk

[bkcunningham1]

redwitch, be strong. I hate that kind of evil.

As a reporter, I covered a murder trial where a 22 year old man was stabbed 121 times. I heard chilling testimony and saw graphic evidence. The defendent was found guilty of First Degree Murder and sentenced to life. This man is evil too.

For whatever reason he became obsessed wanting me to write another news article to tell his side of the story. His lawyer refused to allow this because of appeals. But it didn't stop him.

He would get his aunt to do a three way call and try to talk to me at work. My publisher went with me to court to the Circuit Court judge and had a restraining order put against him to not contact or attempt to contact me. I had to get an unlisted telephone number and have someone double screen my calls at work.

I am still on a Victim/Witness Protection list to be notified if he escapes or gets released.

I worked nights and drove everywhere alone. My husband worked out of town. I looked over my shoulder and in my car before I got inside. I still do to this day.

About six years ago, this monster's girlfriend contacted me for him. She did it in a very contrived way so I didn't know who she was until I agreed to meet here in a public place for lunch to talk about a story idea. Then she explained who she was and who she represented. I got in touch with the courts immediately.

There are some wicked, evil people in this world.

[Pats2010]

God bless you two ladies. I admire you for your bravery and spunk.:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[Pturner]

Please don't confuse my two posts as being opposed to each other. Today, I said, "Those that do (carry) are within their rights and have a slight upper hand when faced with a life threatening situation."

That has absolutely nothing at all to do with my previously posted position that many people don't think about the ramifications of using a firearm against somebody.

Two completely different things.

I still contend that most people, who have never pointed a loaded gun at somebody, or had a loaded gun pointed at them, have no idea what it is like. It's easy to say "I will shoot anybody who enters my house." Ya, well see what you say when you look down the barrel of your pistol and see the face of a teenage boy about the age of your grandson. You better be right when you pull the trigger, because if you misread the situation, you could loose everything you have, including your mind.

I said today, (read it) that if you have a gun, you have a slight upper hand. That's all.

BTW, I have a Florida concealed weapons permit. It is valid in 21 states, not including New York. I also have a New York pistol permit. I own numerous handguns and would use them for protection.

TH, Thanks for responding. I didn't think the two statements necessarily conflicted, but just wanted clarification. I understand the distinction you are making.

I am inclined to think that whether having a gun gives one an upper hand against an intruder depends on one's access to the gun at the time, as well as his/her ability (physically and mentally) to use it effectively. For some people, and in some situations, I think having one could do more harm than good. I thought perhaps that was one of your points in the earlier post.

I hope that I did not offend you in seeking your further clarification.

[Yoda]

Unless you have the gun on your person while you're watching the televison in your house it doesn't help much with a home invasion.

But if you feel the need - carry away! I don't and never will.

Does beside my TV chair count?

Yoda

[duffysmom]

Red and bk, I know exactly what you are talking about. I too have been stalked and lived in fear for far too long. Today I'm no longer fearful but extremely vigilent. Once you brush up against evil you never forget it and to deny that it exists, even in paradise, is troubling to me. Today if I needed to I would use a weapon to protect myself and my family.

[Vinny]

some where posting there is an alarm system....on my doors is a little sign that says....this property is protected by Smith & Wesson...if a person enters my home at night they are at extreme risk, whether they be teen ager, old fart or rabid maniac...they are all guilty of the same thing...and exposed to the same risks/results...trained shooters do not shoot what they cannot see!!!!

Persons who carry concealed do it properly and accidental "exposure" is unlikely.

I find the subject most interesting as usual. And am always impressed with the varying opinions/feelings about guns. Gun ownership is first hand understanding.

btk
Not one anti gun person I know will allow me to post a sign on their lawn stating that they do not own a gun. Seems they do not want anyone to know.

[Soon2B]

I do have a gun within easy reach at home at all times. I have s plan to protect my family in case of a home invasion. What is your plan to protect yours?

The wife and I worked as a team -- she loaded and I'd shoot. Our M20A1 was mounted on a pod aimed at the front door just in case some thugs tried to break in. Word must have spread 'cause we never had a home invasion all the time it was in place.

The only problem was a few years ago somebody broke in a back window while we were gone and took it. I tried to get an update from my Swiss contact. I was thinking maybe a FIM-92A (just in case terrorists tried something over the skies of TV), but he wanted too much for it; plus, the ammo was a little pricey.

I had dreams of mounting it on the cart -- anyone who cut me off, look out!

[Pturner]

The wife and I worked as a team -- she loaded and I'd shoot. Our M20A1 was mounted on a pod aimed at the front door just in case some thugs tried to break in. Word must have spread 'cause we never had a home invasion all the time it was in place.

The only problem was a few years ago somebody broke in a back window while we were gone and took it. I tried to get an update from my Swiss contact. I was thinking maybe a FIM-92A (just in case terrorists tried something over the skies of TV), but he wanted too much for it; plus, the ammo was a little pricey.

I had dreams of mounting it on the cart -- anyone who cut me off, look out!

Hi Soon2be
I'm confused. When someone broke in the back window and took your weapon, wasn't that a home invasion? :confused:

At any rate, not having a home invasion wouldn't prove the weapon prevented it. I've never had a home invation either.

[Vinny]

Red and bk, I know exactly what you are talking about. I too have been stalked and lived in fear for far too long. Today I'm no longer fearful but extremely vigilent. Once you brush up against evil you never forget it and to deny that it exists, even in paradise, is troubling to me. Today if I needed to I would use a weapon to protect myself and my family.
Some people see the real world and prepare for the evil out there while others have to learn the hard way. I expect the best but prepare for the worst.

[K9-Lovers]

PT, when I think of a "home invasion" it means that someone breaks in while you are at home. Otherwise, it is a burglary.

At least, that's my interpretation.

[dpingram]

RW, BK, and duffysmom:
I too know what it is like to live in fear. Although, my situation was not as "bad" as what the 3 of you have experienced. None the less, I was afraid and at that time I took a gun safety course and got a gun. Could I shoot someone.... I hope I never have to find out but if it means my life or theirs I don't think I would hesitate.
Sometimes just the presence of a gun is enough. Just recently my oldest son was in the drive thru of a fast food restaurant in Warner robins, Ga and a man came to his window and wanted a "jump". My son asked him where his car was and he pointed off in a distance. Quick thinking on my son's part he said.. "yeah, let me get my food first" before he knew it the man had gone to the other side of the car and began trying to get in the car. My son then just reached between his seat and lifted the butt of the gun. That was all that it took... I asked my son what happened what did the man do. He said he was gone too fast..
Also, on my last trip to GA, I encountered a truck that would ride beside me, then get in front of me and slow down, I would pass and he would repeat the action. Finally, enough of this. I took my gun out between my seat and set it on the console. The next time I passed him he got a look and I didn't see him again.

[duffysmom]

Red and bk, I know exactly what you are talking about. I too have been stalked and lived in fear for far too long. Today I'm no longer fearful but extremely vigilent. Once you brush up against evil you never forget it and to deny that it exists, even in paradise, is troubling to me. Today if I needed to I would use a weapon to protect myself and my family.

[Pturner]

PT, when I think of a "home invasion" it means that someone breaks in while you are at home. Otherwise, it is a burglary.

At least, that's my interpretation.

Hi K9,
I thought if someone broke into your home when you were not there, it was a burglary. If they broke into your home when you were there, it was a robbery. Either would be a "home" invasion. I surely could be wrong.

[Vinny]

Hi Soon2be
I'm confused. When someone broke in the back window and took your weapon, wasn't that a home invasion? :confused:

At any rate, not having a home invasion wouldn't prove the weapon prevented it. I've never had a home invation either.
He is being sarcastic. Unfortunately sarcasm will not stop evil intent. Prepare for the worst but expect the best and you have the best of both worlds.

[BobKat1]

The way I misplace things around the house, I'd never be able to find the gun when needed, or remember to keep it handy.

[Vinny]

RW, BK, and duffysmom:
I too know what it is like to live in fear. Although, my situation was not as "bad" as what the 3 of you have experienced. None the less, I was afraid and at that time I took a gun safety course and got a gun. Could I shoot someone.... I hope I never have to find out but if it means my life or theirs I don't think I would hesitate.
Sometimes just the presence of a gun is enough. Just recently my oldest son was in the drive thru of a fast food restaurant in Warner robins, Ga and a man came to his window and wanted a "jump". My son asked him where his car was and he pointed off in a distance. Quick thinking on my son's part he said.. "yeah, let me get my food first" before he knew it the man had gone to the other side of the car and began trying to get in the car. My son then just reached between his seat and lifted the butt of the gun. That was all that it took... I asked my son what happened what did the man do. He said he was gone too fast..
Also, on my last trip to GA, I encountered a truck that would ride beside me, then get in front of me and slow down, I would pass and he would repeat the action. Finally, enough of this. I took my gun out between my seat and set it on the console. The next time I passed him he got a look and I didn't see him again.
Everything I have read points to the mere presence of a gun being a major deterrent without ever firing a shot. Criminals are very good at knowing who makes a good victim or not.

[Yoda]

The same people with the same arguments.

I have carried a concealed firearm for 50 years, here is my advice to all.

If you don't want people to carry concealed guns close your eyes and imagine a world with no guns. That will make you feel better but don't interfere with the rights of other people. It's settled.

If you feel the need to carry then do so. Stick the damn thing in your pocket and go about your business. Yes you may violate the law from time to time by carrying in the wrong place. Unless you are a fool you will never get caught. If you try to keep track of all of the places that you shouldn't carry, you will soon go crazy and they will take your permit away for being crazy.

I once drew my gun while intoxicated. I didn't say because I was intoxicated but while I was intoxicated. When the police arrived they looked at the situation, checked my permit and hauled the guy away. Yes, they could have arrested me. I was technically illegal but cops tend to be people too.

To those who think one has to watch TV with a gun in hand to thwart home invasion.... OK. We who worry about things like that take appropriate steps.

People who have been given a permit to carry tend to be responsible. There are exceptions.

Concealed carry Vs Open carry? Open carry in urban areas is an invitation to trouble. Keep the gun hidden. Never threaten. If the situation arises, evaluate, then if warranted, pull the gun and shoot the *******.

That sounds terrible. How do you just killing some dude in cold blood like that? A good point. I wouldn't be able to live with it. I have had occasion 2 times in 50 years to fire at another civilian. (I separate military action for obvious reasons) Neither case resulted in death. Either could have. When I shot, in both cases, I aimed for the largest mass. The trunk of the body. How could I live with myself if I killed them? Motivation. It was never my intent to kill anyone. It was my intent to stop them at once from doing what they were doing. That happened to be, doing great bodily harm to me. If they were to die, that's up to God, not me. It was not my intent.

Carry in The Villages. I have not as yet done so though I have a permit. If I decide that I need to carry outside TV I must carry in TV to get out.

I could go on and on but the point is, people who carry legally are very serious people. There is no reason to fear them. They have studied the situation quite a bit. The incident at Wal-Mart is rare but things like that happen. Let me say though that things like that make the news much more often than the cases of armed citizens defending themselves.

To those of you who are anti-gun, get over it.

To those of you who worry about legal gun owners, your car is more dangerous.

To those who carry concealed, keep it hidden. It's nobody's business but yours.

OK I rambled. You get the point, I hope.

Yoda

[Vinny]

The same people with the same arguments.

I have carried a concealed firearm for 50 years, here is my advice to all.

If you don't want people to carry concealed guns close your eyes and imagine a world with no guns. That will make you feel better but don't interfere with the rights of other people. It's settled.

If you feel the need to carry then do so. Stick the damn thing in your pocket and go about your business. Yes you may violate the law from time to time by carrying in the wrong place. Unless you are a fool you will never get caught. If you try to keep track of all of the places that you shouldn't carry, you will soon go crazy and they will take your permit away for being crazy.

I once drew my gun while intoxicated. I didn't say because I was intoxicated but while I was intoxicated. When the police arrived they looked at the situation, checked my permit and hauled the guy away. Yes, they could have arrested me. I was technically illegal but cops tend to be people too.

To those who think one has to watch TV with a gun in hand to thwart home invasion.... OK. We who worry about things like that take appropriate steps.

People who have been given a permit to carry tend to be responsible. There are exceptions.

Concealed carry Vs Open carry? Open carry in urban areas is an invitation to trouble. Keep the gun hidden. Never threaten. If the situation arises, evaluate, then if warranted, pull the gun and shoot the *******.

That sounds terrible. How do you just killing some dude in cold blood like that? A good point. I wouldn't be able to live with it. I have had occasion 2 times in 50 years to fire at another civilian. (I separate military action for obvious reasons) Neither case resulted in death. Either could have. When I shot, in both cases, I aimed for the largest mass. The trunk of the body. How could I live with myself if I killed them? Motivation. It was never my intent to kill anyone. It was my intent to stop them at once from doing what they were doing. That happened to be, doing great bodily harm to me. If they were to die, that's up to God, not me. It was not my intent.

Carry in The Villages. I have not as yet done so though I have a permit. If I decide that I need to carry outside TV I must carry in TV to get out.

I could go on and on but the point is, people who carry legally are very serious people. There is no reason to fear them. They have studied the situation quite a bit. The incident at Wal-Mart is rare but things like that happen. Let me say though that things like that make the news much more often than the cases of armed citizens defending themselves.

To those of you who are anti-gun, get over it.

To those of you who worry about legal gun owners, your car is more dangerous.

To those who carry concealed, keep it hidden. It's nobody's business but yours.

OK I rambled. You get the point, I hope.

Yoda
Clap. Clap. Clap. Well you said Yoda.

[graciegirl]

Reading all of this has given me second thoughts about this place. We are planning to sell our house up north and to live here full time.

I wonder about living where people carry guns about and live in such fear that they feel they have to carry guns.

We have had a home in Hadley for two years. Nothing has happened here. No one has had anything stolen on our street or the next few that I know about. No one has had any attempted break ins. It is just like in Ohio, as far as I can see. Why in the world would anyone be afraid? I don't know of any break ins in Hadley.

Of course I support the Constitution and the right to bear arms.

I know that there are areas in this country where it is dangerous. Orlando is always reporting killings and so does downtown Cincinnati. It is usually young black men shooting young black men and it is over drugs. Now that sentence is not meant to be racist.

Yes. There are bad people trying to do harm to old defenseless people. It would be pretty tough to do that here with most people not working and everyone watching out for others.

I have been really troubled after reading this thread. I don't want to live in a climate of fear.

And kinda mad. I don't like for people to think I am an airhead. And uninformed. Just what do most of you think is the percentage of people who carry guns in TV?

[redwitch]

Gracie, I don't think the number is all that high. I'm sure several have guns in their homes but getting a carry permit is not all that easy -- even in Florida. I do not carry because I'm worried about someone breaking in; I carry to protect myself from one insane male and no other reason. Once I know he is permanently out of my life, my gun will happily be turned in to the Sheriff's Department and I will have a burn the permit party.

Look at how many people post regularly on TOTV and look how many have posted here and admitted to carrying. A pretty low percentage. I would guess the same is true for the general population of TV.

You love TV. You're not going to agree with what everyone says or does even here. Gun laws, gun for protection arguments, guns in general; handguns in particular arguments are never going to end. So, don't let this detract from your love of TV. It is where your heart is. It is not perfect, but it is pretty dang good. There are many here who love you and I, for one, think TV truly needs "airheads" like you. So, c'mon on down.

[Taltarzac]

The wife and I worked as a team -- she loaded and I'd shoot. Our M20A1 was mounted on a pod aimed at the front door just in case some thugs tried to break in. Word must have spread 'cause we never had a home invasion all the time it was in place.

The only problem was a few years ago somebody broke in a back window while we were gone and took it. I tried to get an update from my Swiss contact. I was thinking maybe a FIM-92A (just in case terrorists tried something over the skies of TV), but he wanted too much for it; plus, the ammo was a little pricey.

I had dreams of mounting it on the cart -- anyone who cut me off, look out!

http://residentevil.wikia.com/M20A1_%22Super_Bazooka%22

FIM-92A--- Stinger missile.


This thread did need some humor.

[bkcunningham1]

Gracie, when this discussion first started getting more opinionated, I thought about you. I felt protective of your opinions of TV, guns and the topic of criminals in the TV area. I didn't want anyone to offend you whether you posted in this thread or not.

We haven't met, but I feel like I know a little bit about you from your posts. Nothing from any of your posts would ever lead anyone to think you are an airhead or uninformed.

The second amendment gives us the "right" to own guns. It isn't something that is required. Don't worry about the people who carry concealed weapons. They aren't the criminals. They've had background checks. Some of the people who carry concealed weapons are off-duty law enforcement officers or military people who know the proper way to handle firearms. Some are people who have gun training for whatever reason. Some are idiots.

Same as people who get behind the wheel of a car. Some are safe, some are idiots. Either way accidents happen.

When you were taught to drive defensively it was to teach you to watch for situations that put you in harms way and to lessen the likelihood of an accident. I'm sure you live that way without a gun and you've been safe so far. On the otherhand, I bet you'd be surprised how many of your wonderful neighbors, both in Ohio and in TV, have weapons in their homes as a defense. People just don't generally announce it.

I'm from the country and most people have guns whether it's for protection or to hunt or both. People have gun racks in their trucks. Our county schools have a required gun safety class in elementary school. Not the entire school year, but just a few lessons about gun safety. It is required before children get their hunting license.

See my point? To me at least, there are many cultural reasons I am comfortable around firearms. I was raised with four brothers and we would skeet shot and target practice. My dad was a sharp shooter. Safety was always first. I have a compound bow and love to shoot targets. I've never killed an animal with a weapon. Since I've been a licensed driver, I have killed a dog, a cat and a rabbit by accident with my car. I hit a deer with my car once, but I like to imagine when it finally got up and ran away, it survived.

I would never encourage someone who isn't comfortable with a gun to own one. That is your right and nobody should make fun, belittle or make assumptions about someone who doesn't own or carry a gun. I would bet the majority of people who own guns and live in TV came to TV with the gun and the reasons for owning a weapon; they didn't purchase their first gun because they moved to TV.

I know you have good common sense and would never put yourself in harms way or in dangerous situations intentionally. I don't think you are naive or unsafe because you don't have a gun. It's just a topic that brings up strong opinions and defensiveness by gun owners because the right to bear arms is often debated in the Constitutional manner. We have the right to, and the right not to, bear arms.

[graciegirl]

Bk and Red.

Your considered and kind responses brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for your posts. I can see that you two are not afraid.

We are all different here. That is good.

[ejp52]

I suggest installing landmines around the perimeter of the house like I did.
Note be sure to disarm on grass cutting time.:laugh:
I support the conceal carry,one never knows what is in store.

[Pats2010]

Gracie, when this discussion first started getting more opinionated, I thought about you. I felt protective of your opinions of TV, guns and the topic of criminals in the TV area. I didn't want anyone to offend you whether you posted in this thread or not.

We haven't met, but I feel like I know a little bit about you from your posts. Nothing from any of your posts would ever lead anyone to think you are an airhead or uninformed.

The second amendment gives us the "right" to own guns. It isn't something that is required. Don't worry about the people who carry concealed weapons. They aren't the criminals. They've had background checks. Some of the people who carry concealed weapons are off-duty law enforecment officers or military people who know the proper way to handle firearms. Some are people who have gun training for whatever reason. Some are idiots.

Same as people who get behind the wheel of a car. Some are safe, some are idiots. Either way accidents happen.

When you were taught to drive defensively it was to teach you to watch for situations that put you in harms way and to lessen the likelihood of an accident. I'm sure you live that way without a gun and you've been safe so far. On the otherhand, I bet you'd be surprised how many of your wonderful neighbors, both in Ohio and in TV, have weapons in their homes as a defense. People just don't generally announce it.

I'm from the country and most people have guns whether it's for protection or to hunt or both. People have gun racks in their trucks. Our county schools have a required gun safety class in elementary school. Not the entire school year, but just a few lessons about gun safety. It is required before children get their hunting license.

See my point? To me at least, there are many cultural reasons I am comfortable around firearms. I was raised with four brothers and we would skeet shot and target practice. My dad was a sharp shooter. Safety was always first. I have a compound bow and love to shoot targets. I've never killed an animal with a weapon. Since I've been a licensed driver, I have killed a dog, a cat and a rabbit by accident with my car. I hit a deer with my car once, but I like to imagine when it finally got up and ran away, it survived.

I would never encourage someone who isn't comfortable with a gun to own one. That is your right and nobody should make fun, belittle or make assumptions about someone who doesn't own or carry a gun. I would bet the majority of people who own guns and live in TV came to TV with the gun and the reasons for owning a weapon; they didn't purchase their first gun because they moved to TV.

I know you have good common sense and would never put yourself in harms way or in dangerous situations intentionally. I don't think you are naive or unsafe because you don't have a gun. It's just a topic that brings up strong opinions and defensiveness by gun owners because the right to bear arms is often debated in the Constitutional manner. We have the right to, and the right not to, bear arms.

:agree: Good post. I would also remind people that the economy often dictates the crime rates.

[billethkid]

it is the people. And statistically the number of unlawful incidents by a person with a permit is so small it gets lost in the rounding.

Persons with permits are well intended. Criminals are not.

As was stated previously in this thread, if the media gave as much play to the accomplishment of good by and armed citizen in an event got as much play as the Walmart, ISOLATED, incident folks would soon be aware of the good that is done by the well intended armed citizen.

After all the media's objective is to frighten you so you stay tuned. And doing good frightens nobody nor does it further their agenda and always present talking points.
That is the shame of it when it comes to guns.

btk

[Talk Host]

Think for a moment about the tragic events of the past few years. 21 students shot to death at Virginia Tech. 13 people massacred at the Civic Association in Binghamton, New York. 8 people killed in an Omaha shopping mall. 12 students and teachers dead at Columbine High School and on and on and on.

Oh that 1 person had a concealed weapon to stop the carnage.

[The Shadow]

Let’s have a contest. Does anyone have more that 5 snub nose 38s?

[Taltarzac]

Think for a moment about the tragic events of the past few years. 21 students shot to death at Virginia Tech. 13 people massacred at the Civic Association in Binghamton, New York. 8 people killed in an Omaha shopping mall. 12 students and teachers dead at Columbine High School and on and on and on.

Oh that 1 person had a concealed weapon to stop the carnage.

This happened on a military base where you assume the people there have thorough knowledge of the use of all kinds of weapons. It took a while to take the shooter down.

Even in the Wild West very few people actually knew how to use a handgun against someone who is firing back.

[bkcunningham1]

Following the Ft. Hood murders by radical Muslim Nidal Malik Hasan, Lt. General Cone stated: "As a matter of practice, we do not carry weapons on Fort Hood. This is our home. Military weapons are only used for training or by base security, and personal weapons must be kept locked away by the provost marshal."

Specialist Jerry Richard, a soldier working at the Readiness Center, expressed the opinion that this policy had left them unnecessarily vulnerable to violent assaults: "Overseas you are ready for it. But here you can't even defend yourself."

[Taltarzac]

Following the Ft. Hood murders by radical Muslim Nidal Malik Hasan, Lt. General Cone stated: "As a matter of practice, we do not carry weapons on Fort Hood. This is our home. Military weapons are only used for training or by base security, and personal weapons must be kept locked away by the provost marshal."

Specialist Jerry Richard, a soldier working at the Readiness Center, expressed the opinion that this policy had left them unnecessarily vulnerable to violent assaults: "Overseas you are ready for it. But here you can't even defend yourself."

Why did it take so long for base security to re-act to a shooter on the base?

[bkcunningham1]

The terrorist attack took place inside the very crowded Soldier Readiness Center, where personnel receive routine medical treatment immediately prior to and on return from deployment.

Eyewitnesses said he took a seat at an empty table, bowed his head for several seconds, and then stood up and opened fire. Hasan reportedly jumped onto a desk and shouted: "Allahu Akbar!", (Which means Allah is Greater) before, according to reports, firing more than 100 rounds at soldiers processing through cubicles in the center, and on a crowd gathered for a college graduation ceremony scheduled for 2 p.m. in a nearby theater. It was reported that Hasan was focused on soldiers in uniform.

I suppose it was difficult for unarmed men and women in the vicinity to gain control of the situation. He had two handguns: an FN Five-seven semi-automatic pistol, which he had purchased at a civilian gun store, and a .357 Magnum which he may not have fired.

He is charges with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted murder.

[duffysmom]

Gracie, I for one do not think you are an airhead. As a matter of fact, I enjoy your posts immensely and want you to be a resident of TV. We need intelligent, savy and feisty women like you. I live very happily in TV with absolutely no fear but I am vigilent. There is a difference.
I don't own any weapons other than my very protective watch dog Duffy. He can be very intimidating, all 4 lbs of him. By the way, I too was surprised to hear that many people carry concealed weapons but I think that is probably true in most communities. We just have a very active website where people share their experiences.

[Taltarzac]

Gracie, I for one do not think you are an airhead. As a matter of fact, I enjoy your posts immensely and want you to be a resident of TV. We need intelligent, savy and feisty women like you. I live very happily in TV with absolutely no fear but I am vigilent. There is a difference.
I don't own any weapons other than my very protective watch dog Duffy. He can be very intimidating, all 4 lbs of him. By the way, I too was surprised to hear that many people carry concealed weapons but I think that is probably true in most communities. We just have a very active website where people share their experiences.

I would think that all the golf clubs would deter many burglars from entering occupied homes in the Villages.

On the subject of welcome posters, I like Graciegirl's posts even though she will soon be the person with the most posts on TOTV if she keeps up the rate she is going.

[bkcunningham1]

And who might that be?

Taltarzac 4364
graciegirl 4270
chelsea24 3739
Barefoot 3720
Talk Host 3564
KathieI 3423
redwitch 3146
nONIE 3060
Donna 2724
Russ_Boston 2687

[Pturner]

As soon as I saw 6 pages in one day, I just knew...
... If you don't want people to carry concealed guns close your eyes and imagine a world with no guns. That will make you feel better but don't interfere with the rights of other people. The same people with the same arguments.Yoda

Hi Yoda,
As you admittedly prejudged the discussion before read the posts, I wonder if you think it possible that your expectations could have influenced how you viewed the actual posed.

Some people said they are uncomfortable around guns, some gave heartfelt reasons why they carry guns for personal protection, and some said that fear was not a motivating factor in their choice to carry.

Some thought carrying a concealed weapon is a good idea; some thought not. Regardless of shades of opinion, personal experiences were shared. I didn't see any posts that argued for interfering with anyone's right to bear arms.

To paraphrase your comment and put it in a different perspective:
If you don't want to see a variety of opinions on a topic raised for discussion on a discussion board, close your eyes and imagine a world with no opinions other than your own. That will make you feel better.

See how that feels.

BTW, I mean no insult to you and don't actually suggest you close your eyes. I just hoped perchance to demonstrate how that statement can be hurtful, disrepectful and belittling. I respect your opinions on guns and other topics, regardless of whether I agree. I appeal to you and others for the same respect toward me and my beloved colleagues on this site.

[Vinny]

Bk and Red.

Your considered and kind responses brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for your posts. I can see that you two are not afraid.

We are all different here. That is good.
Gracie, people carry concealed guns in your state. I think you are just becoming aware that about 44 states allow their citizens to carry concealed firearms. The overall percentage of people legally carrying guns is small and the penalties for brandishing or showing it in a non life and death situation are harsh with no chance of parole.

[Pats2010]

Hi Yoda,
As you admittedly prejudged the discussion before read the posts, I wonder if you think it possible that your expectations could have influenced how you viewed the actual posed.

Some people said they are uncomfortable around guns, some gave heartfelt reasons why they carry guns for personal protection, and some said that fear was not a motivating factor in their choice to carry.

Some thought carrying a concealed weapon is a good idea; some thought not. Regardless of shades of opinion, personal experiences were shared. I didn't see any posts that argued for interfering with anyone's right to bear arms.

To paraphrase your comment and put it in a different perspective:
If you don't want to see a variety of opinions on a topic raised for discussion on a discussion board, close your eyes and imagine a world with no opinions other than your own. That will make you feel better.

See how that feels.

BTW, I mean no insult to you and don't actually suggest you close your eyes. I just hoped perchance to demonstrate how that statement can be hurtful, disrepectful and belittling. I respect your opinions on guns and other topics, regardless of whether I agree. I appeal to you and others for the same respect toward me and my beloved colleagues on this site.

p.s., If you so choose, belittle away on political. Everyone knows to go there at their own risk.

Belittling people on any of these forums is against policy. Why do people enjoy polarizing political?

I am not saying this to any particular person on this forum. I'm just curious about the animosity that I see here occasionally.

[Pturner]

Reading all of this has given me second thoughts about this place. We are planning to sell our house up north and to live here full time.

I wonder about living where people carry guns about and live in such fear that they feel they have to carry guns.

We have had a home in Hadley for two years. Nothing has happened here. No one has had anything stolen on our street or the next few that I know about. No one has had any attempted break ins. It is just like in Ohio, as far as I can see. Why in the world would anyone be afraid? I don't know of any break ins in Hadley.

Of course I support the Constitution and the right to bear arms.

I know that there are areas in this country where it is dangerous. Orlando is always reporting killings and so does downtown Cincinnati. It is usually young black men shooting young black men and it is over drugs. Now that sentence is not meant to be racist.

Yes. There are bad people trying to do harm to old defenseless people. It would be pretty tough to do that here with most people not working and everyone watching out for others.

I have been really troubled after reading this thread. I don't want to live in a climate of fear.

And kinda mad. I don't like for people to think I am an airhead. And uninformed. Just what do most of you think is the percentage of people who carry guns in TV?

Please, please, please say it ain't so! Gracie you are to airhead what... what... what... Furmar is to bad-looking. ;)

Seriously, it's people like you who make TV a wonderful place to live. You are smart, funny, warm hearted and a bit onery. ;)

I'm using my bear arms to give you a big heart-felt hug.

[graciegirl]

Dear Vinny.

I know that there are guns carried in many states.

I also know that somewhere, someone is reading this who has never been here. What are they envisioning?

This lovely, PEACEFUL, tranquil, animated, enlivened, safe, joyful, place is not somewhere where you are in extreme danger nor where you are in moderate danger....it is one of the safest places in the U.S.

People leave here a lot to go to live in the village of Heavenly but they don't leave because they have been SHOT.

I haven't seen anything here that is a cause for concern. People lose their purses and their purses are returned to them most of the time. Golf clubs are sometimes stolen on the square and probably by people who intend to steal them, but not a HUGE problem.

There are workers in and out and other than that there aren't people who are strangers or people from off the res just waiting to attack or steal from people. People have guests but really most of the teens are well behaved.

I just want the people who have never lived here to realize that in my humble opinion the last thing I would carry is a gun here.

But if I ever need protection from some yet unknown invading force, I will not hesitate to call "My cousin Vinny".

Cause I think he could get the bad guys....or girls.

GG

[r_foye]

As a retired police officer I had a gun attached to my hip everyday. I stared down the barrel many times at people who were a heartbeat away from having me kill them. Can I live with killing someone? Absolutely, I would have not second guessed myself at all. There are evil people in this world and as far as Im concerned killing evil would not cause me to lose a moments sleep. Having seen just about every form of evil I will tell you something that you may or may not believe, but I guarantee you is true. There are evil people living in The Villages, the odds dictate this to be true. Just because you are living in a retirement community doesnt make you immune. Having said that I will say that now that Im retired I dont even own a weapon, why?, I just dont feel a huge need to have one. Im willing to take my chances with the bad people of this world. I feel the odds of having to use it are just about nil. Now Im sure this will **** some people off but I think that most people who have concealed weapons permits probably shouldnt have them. Just because you took a course and blasted the target at the local range doesnt mean you are qualified to carry a gun. Just my two cents worth.

[Pats2010]

....I cannot think of any intruder being shot by a Villager nor any incident involving a concealed gun. There was a domestic dispute which escalated into a wife shooting her husband, an attempted shooting at one of the postal stations over an unwanted suitor by the lady's son, at least one shotgun related suicide (Melinda Duckett), and a "kidnapping" which involved a conspiracy to use a Village couple's bank cards planned it sounded by their daughter. Her mother was killed by a gun used in the hands of one of the conspirators. The domestic dispute involved two retired law enforcement officers.

Those are the facts as close as I can remember even though I am a little fuzzy on a lot of how each exactly went down.

Maybe the good citizens of the Villages could partition for the right to place signs that say this is a gun-free zone. I bet that would be a deterrent. :police:

[BobKat1]

As a retired police officer I had a gun attached to my hip everyday. I stared down the barrel many times at people who were a heartbeat away from having me kill them. Can I live with killing someone? Absolutely, I would have not second guessed myself at all. There are evil people in this world and as far as Im concerned killing evil would not cause me to lose a moments sleep. Having seen just about every form of evil I will tell you something that you may or may not believe, but I guarantee you is true. There are evil people living in The Villages, the odds dictate this to be true. Just because you are living in a retirement community doesnt make you immune. Having said that I will say that now that Im retired I dont even own a weapon, why?, I just dont feel a huge need to have one. Im willing to take my chances with the bad people of this world. I feel the odds of having to use it are just about nil. Now Im sure this will **** some people off but I think that most people who have concealed weapons permits probably shouldnt have them. Just because you took a course and blasted the target at the local range doesnt mean you are qualified to carry a gun. Just my two cents worth.

Interesting perspective...

[graciegirl]

Please, please, please say it ain't so! Gracie you are to airhead what... what... what... Furmar is to bad-looking. ;)

Seriously, it's people like you who make TV a wonderful place to live. You are smart, funny, warm hearted and a bit onery. ;)

I'm using my bear arms to give you a big heart-felt hug.

Thank you for your lovely hug.

This place is full of good stuff and lovely kind people like P.

BUT....I am thinking about getting a water pistol.

I have always been a joiner.

Not worried.

GG

[redwitch]

BUT....I am thinking about getting a water pistol.
GG

Skip the water pistol and go for the big stuff -- get a water cannon. Much more fun.

[Pturner]

Skip the water pistol and go for the big stuff -- get a water cannon. Much more fun.

Or maybe we should all get together and have a good ole-fashion pillow fight!
:crap2:

[redwitch]

Too hot -- I vote for the water guns. Sundown at the Polo Grounds.

[Talk Host]

I think that most people who have concealed weapons permits probably shouldnt have them. Just because you took a course and blasted the target at the local range doesnt mean you are qualified to carry a gun. Just my two cents worth.

I could not agree more with this. As a police officer, you were in the near occasion of evil many times. You were trained. Your justification for shooting could be clear in most cases. Private citizens who bellow that they would "KILL ANY SON OF A ***** THAT COMES INTO MY HOUSE," in most cases are not trained to make the same decisions as a police officer or a court. You likely would shoot out of self defense, not for punishment.

And, those people who say, if he's outside when you shoot him, drag him in the house. Isn't that murder?

Ironic, another mass killing today in New Mexico. 6 known dead.

[Annabelle]

How did this thread which asked a simple question by Vinny
{"Does anyone know where in the Villages you cannot carry a concealed handgun?"}
deteriorate into a heated discussion about whether "TV is a safe place to live?"

I see no reason to interrupt an innocuous remark regarding "handguns" as some hidden message that TV is not a safe place to retire.

The only assumption that I made regarding Vinny's question is that he is a law abiding citizen who is going to make those around him a good neighbor.

There are some who feel (well intentioned I'm sure) they must "defend" TV even when there is nothing to defend. TV speaks well for itself. It is a lovely retirement community and is "right" for some, yet "wrong" for others.

As far as the comments hurled at those who post on the "Political Forum," I find that one must "thread" more lightly on the "General Discussion Forum" because they tend to become a bit more volatile than others especially when any subject is controversial.

Annabelle

[Pats2010]

How did this thread which asked a simple question by Vinny
{"Does anyone know where in the Villages you cannot carry a concealed handgun?"}
deteriorate into a heated discussion about whether "TV is a safe place to live?"

I see no reason to interrupt an innocuous remark regarding "handguns" as some hidden message that TV is not a safe place to retire.

The only assumption that I made regarding Vinny's question is that he is a law abiding citizen who is going to make those around him a good neighbor.

There are some who feel (well intentioned I'm sure) they must "defend" TV even when there is nothing to defend. TV speaks well for itself. It is a lovely retirement community and is "right" for some, yet "wrong" for others.

As far as the comments hurled at those who post on the "Political Forum," I find that one must "thread" more lightly on the "General Discussion Forum" because they tend to become a bit more volatile than others especially when any subject is controversial.

Annabelle

:beer3: Touche!!!

[entemedor]

What seems like 10 years ago, some poor guy started this thread by asking for info about carrying a firearm here in TV....

Much emotion and some information that is flat-out wrong ensued. OK, here's my suggestions:

1. Ask a lawyer, admitted to the Florida Bar, who knows about this kind of thing.

2. Failing that, get a copy of Florida Firearms, Law, Use, and Ownership. You can get this on-line here:

http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/

[Vinny]

Gracie, I agree with you. I feel no need to carry a gun in TV. But there are those times when you are leaving The Villages or are in and out of it throughout the day when I will be armed as it safer to keep the gun on you then in the car. Quite frankly it is uncomfortable to carry a gun in this heat but we do it to protect ourselves and those around us. It is also very inconvenient to carry a gun due to the places you cannot carry one. The last two days are good examples. I was out but ran into friends who wanted me to join them for drinks at a bar. If I was carrying I could not go into the bar. Today I was out and got a call to pickup a prescription. Once again guns are not allowed in pharmacies so you see how much of a pain it can be to carry a gun. Some people feel that it is best to carry all the time rather than play the odds. Personally I would rather take my chances and only carry outside of TV.

[Vinny]

How did this thread which asked a simple question by Vinny
{"Does anyone know where in the Villages you cannot carry a concealed handgun?"}
deteriorate into a heated discussion about whether "TV is a safe place to live?"

I see no reason to interrupt an innocuous remark regarding "handguns" as some hidden message that TV is not a safe place to retire.

The only assumption that I made regarding Vinny's question is that he is a law abiding citizen who is going to make those around him a good neighbor.

There are some who feel (well intentioned I'm sure) they must "defend" TV even when there is nothing to defend. TV speaks well for itself. It is a lovely retirement community and is "right" for some, yet "wrong" for others.

As far as the comments hurled at those who post on the "Political Forum," I find that one must "thread" more lightly on the "General Discussion Forum" because they tend to become a bit more volatile than others especially when any subject is controversial.

Annabelle
You are absolutely right. My brother-in-law asked me so I asked the forum. Unfortunately guns are a hot button topic. At least I learned a lot about who carries and who does not and different views on the subject. I never felt that words could hurt me or whist other people think of me. I am an island unto myself in this regard.

Now I can report back to NJ whose homes to stay away from. :-).

[Pturner]

Imagine starting a thread that "triggers" a conversation. :faint:

...Oh wait. I thought that was what discussion boards were for.

:wine:

[BJinTX]

Thank you for the leveled headed discussion on concealed weapons. Yes, I do carry a concealed weapon. And I did carry yesterday to San Antonio. There are many reason I chose to carry: I do drive to the city alone, I do live in a small town with open land behind me and I do feel the need.
I do have to say, I went through 12 hours of training to receive my license here in Texas. A lot of the course was aimed a conflict management and how to handle situations by not drawing your gun. Yes I do have a laser sight.
Would I have a hard time using it - not if I feel myself, my husband or my property is truly threatened.
Unfortunately as some have said there are bad people in the world.

Hope to be there soon ......BJ

[graciegirl]

There isn't much in the way of bad guys here. I keep saying it. I keep saying it. I keep saying it.

[K9-Lovers]

Read the facts, read the facts, read the facts.

[Bogie Shooter]

Read the facts, read the facts, read the facts.
What are you inplying??

[K9-Lovers]

I'm not implying anything. There are bad guys everywhere, even here in TV. As much as I'd like to believe there is no crime here, it's just not so, unfortunately.

[Pats2010]

Evil people are everywhere. They don't lock them up like they used to.

[graciegirl]

Relatively speaking, this is a safe place.Now how many times do you think there has been a situation where a gun was needed in the two years I have lived here? NONE!

[Fourpar]

Vinny,
Anyone who has such a permit knows, or should know where it is okay to carry. That is a very prominent part of the licensing process. If the person does not know that information, they should probably not have such a permit...

[Pats2010]

Perception is everything. Even thugs have it. If TV has the reputation of having people who are conservative law-abiding citizens, then that means that a good percentage will be armed.
On the other hand, if people have an image of TV as aging hippies who walk around giving people the "peace sign" they will project an image of helpless victims. IMHO

[BJinTX]

Gracie, you are right. Perception means a lot. I do hope TV is not a bunch of old hippies, I want a lively bunch when we get there.
I do know a girl here (our town is 22,000) that went to Austin. She did get lost. At a stop sign, a car with 4 guys next to her where checking her out. They were not regular nice guys. She just placed her gun on the dash and had no problems!

[Chi-Town]

Forget all this pistol packing Paladin nonsense. The only way to travel with a gun is with an Easy Rider Rifle Rack on the back of your golf cart.

[billethkid]

is relatively safe with no need to carry/have concealed weapon. The same is iron clad true for insurance of any kind...but we still all (most of us) spend a lifetime of never having had to make a claim. Ditto for being an armed citizen.

There will never be a reconciliation of acceptance of the notion of being an armed citizen. Nor will there ever be a valid argument why not to.

Gun owners, 99% or higher, ARE responsible citizens with their version of insurance. It has nothing to do with the perceived or real need or not.

It is in the category of religion or politics. Nobody is right or wrong, it is a personal choice.

For those who have never been around guns, or those who have lived with them in family sporting....both have a distorted view of the subject. That is not a negative subject...just reality.

btk

[graciegirl]

is relatively safe with no need to carry/have concealed weapon. The same is iron clad true for insurance of any kind...but we still all (most of us) spend a lifetime of never having had to make a claim. Ditto for being an armed citizen.

There will never be a reconciliation of acceptance of the notion of being an armed citizen. Nor will there ever be a valid argument why not to.

Gun owners, 99% or higher, ARE responsible citizens with their version of insurance. It has nothing to do with the perceived or real need or not.

It is in the category of religion or politics. Nobody is right or wrong, it is a personal choice.

For those who have never been around guns, or those who have lived with them in family sporting....both have a distorted view of the subject. That is not a negative subject...just reality.

btk

Now that is a good argument Billy. I haven't trouble with you or any other responsible person carrying a gun if it it what you believe is the right thing to do. It aches my heart for anyone who hasn't been here to think we are a .....dangerous armpit of the world. Plus there are a lot of people who are not aging hippies, who are very law conscious, who are decent people, who do not think it necessary to own a gun...YET. Now I'm done.

[Yoda]

TV is a safe place. People who live in a safe place don"t often commit crimes in said safe place.

I like the insurance argument.


Yoda

[K9-Lovers]

I like the insurance idea, too. Those who carry arms are not necessarily "afraid" as some people believe. It is a part of who they are, and the way they insure the safety of their home and family, much the same as an insurance policy.

The way I insure the safety of my home and family is to always lock my doors whether it's day or night time, to use motion sensor lights, and to always be aware of my surroundings. Being aware of my surroundings also means knowing that there is a fair amount of property crime in TV while crimes against people is quite low. And, I never place myself in a position of becoming a potential target, which would then impact my family, and those called upon to protect, or rescue me.

While I love TV as much as anyone, I am not willing to take on the responsibility of causing a false sense of security by saying there is no crime in TV. That would be an injustice to others, who then may not take precautions.

[handyman]

I like the insurance idea, too. Those who carry arms are not necessarily "afraid" as some people believe. It is a part of who they are, and the way they insure the safety of their home and family, much the same as an insurance policy.

The way I insure the safety of my home and family is to always lock my doors whether it's day or night time, to use motion sensor lights, and to always be aware of my surroundings. Being aware of my surroundings also means knowing that there is a fair amount of property crime in TV while crimes against people is quite low. And, I never place myself in a position of becoming a potential target, which would then impact my family, and those called upon to protect, or rescue me.

While I love TV as much as anyone, I am not willing to take on the responsibility of causing a false sense of security by saying there is no crime in TV. That would be an injustice to others, who then may not take precautions.
God created Man.There are preditors there always have been
I choose to protect myself and family,it doen't matter where you live they are there,Am I afraid to walk the streets of the Villages,NO! Am I ready,SOMETIMES!Got make em' think don't you:22yikes:

[handyman]

:D
That's not a gun in my pocket there Gracie.

[chuckinca]

Gracie, you are right. Perception means a lot. I do hope TV is not a bunch of old hippies, I want a lively bunch when we get there.
I do know a girl here (our town is 22,000) that went to Austin. She did get lost. At a stop sign, a car with 4 guys next to her where checking her out. They were not regular nice guys. She just placed her gun on the dash and had no problems!


She best not try that in East Oakland.


.

[graciegirl]

:D
That's not a gun in my pocket there Gracie.

Just glad to see me?

My one liners go waaaaaaaay back.

[senior citizen]

I like the insurance idea, too. Those who carry arms are not necessarily "afraid" as some people believe. It is a part of who they are, and the way they insure the safety of their home and family, much the same as an insurance policy.

The way I insure the safety of my home and family is to always lock my doors whether it's day or night time, to use motion sensor lights, and to always be aware of my surroundings. Being aware of my surroundings also means knowing that there is a fair amount of property crime in TV while crimes against people is quite low. And, I never place myself in a position of becoming a potential target, which would then impact my family, and those called upon to protect, or rescue me.

While I love TV as much as anyone, I am not willing to take on the responsibility of causing a false sense of security by saying there is no crime in TV. That would be an injustice to others, who then may not take precautions.

Very well said.

[senior citizen]

I'm not implying anything. There are bad guys everywhere, even here in TV. As much as I'd like to believe there is no crime here, it's just not so, unfortunately.

Just watch the news everyday. No place is totally safe anymore.

Look at that Connecticut doctor's family where the mom, two daughters were held captive and set on fire. Lovely neighborhood. Two ex cons.

Vermont is probably the lowest crime state in the nation and yet we all now lock our doors, use the motion sensors and no longer let these roving sales people into the house. Neither small town nor rural areas are as safe as they used to be. With parolee's needing drug money and thinking retired people are an easy mark, it could happen. Better safe than sorry.

[thistrucksforyou]

Why not? :confused:

Didn't they same the same thing at Ft. Hood? (I think it was Foot Hood that the terrorist killed all those soldiers)

You reasoning is whacked !
:grumpy:

[senior citizen]

God created Man.There are preditors there always have been
I choose to protect myself and family,it doen't matter where you live they are there,Am I afraid to walk the streets of the Villages,NO! Am I ready,SOMETIMES!Got make em' think don't you:22yikes:

What my husband always says about Vermont (when I bring up the subject of home invasions as seen on the news).....he says, "there are so many guns in Vermont, meaning rifles, pistols, everything, that no military organization or group of individuals could take over the state of Vermont where we have our gun rights. Obviously, hunting is big up here.....but even non hunters have guns and crime is low....compared to other places. If you read the Orlando Sentinel there are murders every day.

[senior citizen]

TV is a safe place. People who live in a safe place don"t often commit crimes in said safe place.

I like the insurance argument.


Yoda

I'm sure it is safe , however, many times career criminals see older folks as easy targets for robbery and often those robberies can lead to worse crimes when the criminal is caught seeking money or other loot for drugs, etc.
It wouldn't be the people living in TV but strangers who might come in to work in the community........or just wander in......

[senior citizen]

Evil people are everywhere. They don't lock them up like they used to.

That's for sure.....and if they do incarcerate them, they let them out early.
Drug crime is rampant all over the U.S. The gangs try to infiltrate even small town America to get the kids hooked which gives them a bigger income.

We raised our children in a trusting environment in small town America and yet the world is a different place today for our grandchildren's safety.

I never even thought of our children being abducted, molested, etc.
It never entered my mind. But...times have changed....in every aspect of crime in America.

Also, whereas before they would commit insane people, now they roam the streets. Everyone has "rights" except the victims of crime...or so it seems.

[senior citizen]

As a retired police officer I had a gun attached to my hip everyday. I stared down the barrel many times at people who were a heartbeat away from having me kill them. Can I live with killing someone? Absolutely, I would have not second guessed myself at all. There are evil people in this world and as far as Im concerned killing evil would not cause me to lose a moments sleep. Having seen just about every form of evil I will tell you something that you may or may not believe, but I guarantee you is true. There are evil people living in The Villages, the odds dictate this to be true. Just because you are living in a retirement community doesnt make you immune. Having said that I will say that now that Im retired I dont even own a weapon, why?, I just dont feel a huge need to have one. Im willing to take my chances with the bad people of this world. I feel the odds of having to use it are just about nil. Now Im sure this will **** some people off but I think that most people who have concealed weapons permits probably shouldnt have them. Just because you took a course and blasted the target at the local range doesnt mean you are qualified to carry a gun. Just my two cents worth.

Thank you for your utter honesty and true life experience.
As my husband says, even career criminals retire someday.

Not too long ago I found quite a list of Villagers on the Sexual Offender List.
I haven't looked since then........so not sure what the number is at the moment.........but it gave me pause at the time.....thinking ahead to visiting grandchildren.

Guess I've been watching too much of the I.D. channel which has Main Street Murders and Investigative Discovery, Forensics, etc., Dateline and so forth.

[senior citizen]

Gracie, I agree with you. I feel no need to carry a gun in TV. But there are those times when you are leaving The Villages or are in and out of it throughout the day when I will be armed as it safer to keep the gun on you then in the car. Quite frankly it is uncomfortable to carry a gun in this heat but we do it to protect ourselves and those around us. It is also very inconvenient to carry a gun due to the places you cannot carry one. The last two days are good examples. I was out but ran into friends who wanted me to join them for drinks at a bar. If I was carrying I could not go into the bar. Today I was out and got a call to pickup a prescription. Once again guns are not allowed in pharmacies so you see how much of a pain it can be to carry a gun. Some people feel that it is best to carry all the time rather than play the odds. Personally I would rather take my chances and only carry outside of TV.

Well said.........

[senior citizen]

Gracie, people carry concealed guns in your state. I think you are just becoming aware that about 44 states allow their citizens to carry concealed firearms. The overall percentage of people legally carrying guns is small and the penalties for brandishing or showing it in a non life and death situation are harsh with no chance of parole.

Vermont allows all citizens to carry a concealed weapon without a permit.
As per our constitutional rights.

Vermont is probably the lowest crime state in nation.

[Figmo Bohica]

Here is the link on all the info you will need about FL's CWL

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html

[handyman]

Just seeing your smile makes me happy,Goodnight Gracie:smiley:

[De Lis]

Excellent advice!

[LI SNOWBIRD]

I suppose one can never tell when someone will draw on you. Or we could have gunfights at the town squares on alternate Saturday's at noon.

I agree. The Clampett gang is long in the grave.:BigApplause:

[Figmo Bohica]

What really amazes me is the fear that people have of inanimate objects. Are you afrid of your toaster, a hammer or your car? Cars kill more people than handgun do each year, yet I have not seem the fear of cars that I do firearms, but both will kill, hurt or maim you if used incorrectly. People kill people, things do not kill people. Remember that.

One of the things I do agree with as stated in one of the replies is that the vast majority of those that get CWL here or in any state don't know how to properly use what they are carrying.

For many years I was a certified Concealled Carry Instructor. In our other state it took 15 hours of training to get your license. 12 classroom and 3 on the range. I did not qualify anyone it was familiarization training only. You where instructed on loading, unloading, which end the bullet came out of, basic sight and trigger control and where the safety was located. Then you had to hit an 8x11 sheet of paper from 7 yards, 17 times out of 25.

I have been and still am a competive shooter. I would tell all my students, come shoot with us once in a while or take our home defense class so you will know what to do in case of an incident where you would be forced to use deadly force to protect yourself or your loved ones. The only ones that ever showed up to shoot or take the class was ladies. You see men have a DA (dumb a**) gene that makes them think they can shoot when really they don't have any idea of what they are doing in a defensive shooting situation.

To take a CWL class and then never practice only makes you a danger to yourself and those around you. So think twice guys before you get armed and make it dangerous for all of us around you. Know what you are doing and be able to do it correctly.

[graciegirl]

What really amazes me is the fear that people have of inanimate objects. Are you afrid of your toaster, a hammer or your car? Cars kill more people than handgun do each year, yet I have not seem the fear of cars that I do firearms, but both will kill, hurt or maim you if used incorrectly. People kill people, things do not kill people. Remember that.

.

This one is easy. I NEED my car, my hammer and my toaster.

I have NEVER needed a gun and do not expect ever to need one in the future.

[BobKat1]

The debate goes on and on and on never to be settled.

I've never seen anyone after reading one side or the other say, "oh, I see your point, and have changed my opinon on the subject."

Some things never change.

[CMANN]

The debate goes on and on and on never to be settled.

I've never seen anyone after reading one side or the other say, "oh, I see your point, and have changed my opinon on the subject."

Some things never change.

I don't see what is so hard to understand. Some people want to keep and bear arms has provided to them under the United States Constitution. Some people do not want them to have that right. Some people don't care. Which one are you?

[billethkid]

If one subscribes to or is an advocate of having insurance (home owners, auto, boat, ATV, golf cart) then you would/could clearly understand why some choose to carry a concealed weapon.....eh?

Most of us spend many thousands of dollars over our life time paying for insurance...the concept of which is one hopes to NEVER have to use it but it is there in the UNLIKELY event of an incident.

All who elect to carry a concealed weapon... the concept of which is one hopes to NEVER have to use it but it is there in the UNLIKELY event of an incident.

Both provide the same end result...avoiding becoming or being a VICTIM!!

Either have little or nothing to do with how safe it is in TV or anywhere else.

The biggest difference regarding acceptance of the concept or not...one of the above is not a political issue/leverage...one of the above is not portrayed on every news cast as the cause of the incident being reported...one of the above is not sensationalized by the media, entertainment, politicians or special interest groups.

Actually quite simple to understand...eh?:D

btk

[Figmo Bohica]

This one is easy. I NEED my car, my hammer and my toaster.

I have NEVER needed a gun and do not expect ever to need one in the future.

Are you sure you need your car, you can always walk, you can use a rock for your hammer and you can toast bread without a toaster. If you don't know how I am sure there are some that can show you how.

Having said that there are only two ways that you can get people to do something. This include everything. You can present a reasonable reason why they should do it, or you can use force to make them do it.

Being bigger than you if I wanted you to do something, I have to use either one or the other of these methods. Now to even the playing field, Samuel Colt made us all equal no matter our size.

Current world events could change you mind quickly. Our founding fathers insured that, WE THE PEOPLE, would always have a way to protect ourselves, the 2d Amendment.

There is no such thing as GUN CONTROL, its PEOPLE CONTROL. Just see how well it worked for Hitler, Moa, Pol Pot, and Stalin.

Gun control actually means being able to hit your target where you are aiming.

I know that most likely you will never change your mind, but do away with the 2d Amendment and the othe 9 in the Bill of Rights are meaningless.

[Talk Host]

Pol Pot

[rubicon]

This one is easy. I NEED my car, my hammer and my toaster.

I have NEVER needed a gun and do not expect ever to need one in the future.

When I was a kid (17) entered the Navy. I had to learn to assemble and disassemble a pistol and then they had me shoot it ten times. I never hit the target and never held a gun in my hand since. I have thought about keeping a gun in the house but my bride hates guns. So once again we compromised and did it her way. Kidding asideAmericans never never want to forfeit their right to own a gun. americans contiue to give up their rights slice by slice just a the folks did in Easter Europe under the communist.

[graciegirl]

When I was a kid (17) entered the Navy. I had to learn to assemble and disassemble a pistol and then they had me shoot it ten times. I never hit the target and never held a gun in my hand since. I have thought about keeping a gun in the house but my bride hates guns. So once again we compromised and did it her way. Kidding asideAmericans never never want to forfeit their right to own a gun. americans contiue to give up their rights slice by slice just a the folks did in Easter Europe under the communist.

I don't think you understand. I support the right to carry a gun. I love the constitution of the United States.

I just don't NEED a gun, never have needed one and don't expect to need one.

However, some of you guys are makin' me mad...............chilout

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Gracie DOES, however, own a squirt gun..............probably unregistered.....no permit..... :jester:

Bill :wave:

[handyman]

Do you live in the Villages?if so where please?I would prefer not to have you next door ,your Avitar ,pretty much convinces me,if you are so fast to grab a gun then you have never had to use one....................

[CMANN]

Are you sure you need your car, you can always walk, you can use a rock for your hammer and you can toast bread without a toaster. If you don't know how I am sure there are some that can show you how.

Having said that there are only two ways that you can get people to do something. This include everything. You can present a reasonable reason why they should do it, or you can use force to make them do it.

Being bigger than you if I wanted you to do something, I have to use either one or the other of these methods. Now to even the playing field, Samuel Colt made us all equal no matter our size.

Current world events could change you mind quickly. Our founding fathers insured that, WE THE PEOPLE, would always have a way to protect ourselves, the 2d Amendment.

There is no such thing as GUN CONTROL, its PEOPLE CONTROL. Just see how well it worked for Hitler, Moa, Pol Pot, and Stalin.

Gun control actually means being able to hit your target where you are aiming.

I know that most likely you will never change your mind, but do away with the 2d Amendment and the othe 9 in the Bill of Rights are meaningless.

Gun control means using 2 hands.

[Russ_Boston]

Do you live in the Villages?if so where please?I would prefer not to have you next door ,your Avitar ,pretty much convinces me,if you are so fast to grab a gun then you have never had to use one....................

Who is this in response to?

[Golf-Tinker]

Figmo has a Colt 45 avatar.

[handyman]

Do you live in the Villages?if so where please?I would prefer not to have you next door ,your Avitar ,pretty much convinces me,if you are so fast to grab a gun then you have never had to use one....................

Figmo,now that I know a little more about you,I humbly apolgize,and thankyou for your many years of service

[Figmo Bohica]

The avatar is not a Colt, its an STI, 1911 45 ACP (Automatic Cocking Pistol) and it is used ony for competitive shooting. Lots of work and tuning has gone into the firearm. It the same as calling all AR 15s, Assualt Rifles, it actually comes from the ArmaLite name, IE., AR, of which there are many makes and models.

Assualt Rifles are made to fire at least 3 round bursts with each trigger pull, some are completely automatic and will fire until the ammunition source is empty.

Law abiding citizens can still own a fully automatic firearm, but you have to fill out tons of paperwork, get approval by the local sheriff, pay a $200 tax stamp, go through a Class III FFL dealer and then if you can find one made prior to 1986, at a very infalted price go for it. You also have to agree to have your storage area inspected by the BATFE to insure that you are in compliency with Federal storage requirements. Then the real expense starts, buying the ammo. You can go through lots in a very short time.

I have never felt the need to own or go through all the hassal of get an automatic firearm. To me its just a waste of time, money and ammo.

By the way, Handman, I have not fired a shot in anger since January 1968, when Saigon was over ran by the NVA during the TET Offensive. I chose to carry the same as you chose to have auto insurance. Just because I carry does not mean I want to shoot someone, just the same because I have auto, homeowners insure, I am not going to go get into a wreck or burn my house down just to use it. Just like a Boy Scout, always be prepared.