Dear Villages Leadership

[hardwick2112@yahoo.com]

Fenney broke ground three years ago with the promise that soon there would be infrastructure and two bridges connecting us on the South side of SR 44 to Brownwood and golf cart assessable activities. Since then, over 1,500 homes have been built, new ones pop up daily, Magnolia Plaza continues to be a waste land, no infrastructure other than cart paths that go in circles, no grocery store, no drug store, only one small restaurant that holds maybe 150 people (although the food is good) and no truthful or published response from The Villages Leadership or Family about when these promises will be addressed. Can't someone publish a schedule about when construction will commence. Why is it so hard to be truthful and honest with Villagers south of SR 44? My perception, the family's focus is on getting Chitty Chatty ready to build houses so they can sell, sell, sell, sell and reap profits. Why else would the second bridge over SR 44 be the focal point? Hey, don't forget about us down in the Fenney, McClure, Isles, Marsh Bend and Deluna areas. We bought on a promise, now will someone deliver?

[Two Bills]

Sometimes, things don't go as planned.
Sometimes, completion dates are over optimistic.
Sometimes, planners and developers meet up with delays with permits from county or state etc.
Sometimes, developers are a litte shy with the truth.
Sometimes, shortage of craftsmen is a problem.
Sometimes developers are assett rich, but cash poor.

Probaly among all the sometimes, are the facts.
One thing for sure, all that was promised will arrive. Sometime!!

[billethkid]

Sometimes, things don't go as planned.
Sometimes, completion dates are over optimistic.
Sometimes, planners and developers meet up with delays with permits from county or state etc.
Sometimes, developers are a litte shy with the truth.
Sometimes, shortage of craftsmen is a problem.
Sometimes developers are assett rich, but cash poor.

Probaly among all the sometimes, are the facts.
One thing for sure, all that was promised will arrive. Sometime!!

:)///

[Bogie Shooter]

Do you really think "The Villages Leadership" reads TOTV?

[dewilson58]

May want to go to the offices in Brownwood rather than post on ToTV. Jus a thought. I've never heard of promised completion dates.





Wish all we want, but no body can force retailers to fill store fronts in Southern Oaks or Brownwood. I'm surprised the store fronts built on speculation. That's a lot of risk.





Regarding bridges, are all government approvals complete???.......I have not heard. I heard target dates, not promised dates.

[ColdNoMore]

Do you really think "The Villages Leadership" reads TOTV?

Yep, you can bet they do.

A perfect example was thread a while back, on the abominable conditions (and premature failure...sound familiar?:D) of the green street signs...with photo's attached.

Within just a few short weeks, those (and other) failing signs...were replaced.

Just a pure coincidence?


If anyone believes that...I have this bridge for sale. :ohdear:

[retiredguy123]

I think I would be frustrated also. But, I have seen other housing developments go a lot worse. I know people in Virginia who bought condos for $850K in 2006, and before the building was even finished, the new prices dropped to $650K. There are gated golf communities in the Carolinas that sat half empty for years because the developer couldn't sell them. At least The Villages property values seem to be holding up, so you can usually get your money back if you want.

[CWGUY]

Do you really think "The Villages Leadership" reads TOTV?

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JoMar]

Do you really think "The Villages Leadership" reads TOTV?

Of course they do....this is their Comedy Central :)

[npwalters]

The main takeaway from your post that any reasonable person should agree with is this: The developer owes updated and reliable information to the residents. They were quick to publish optimistic anticipated times in their sales literature and should correct it now that those estimates are long past.

[JoMar]

Yep, you can bet they do.

A perfect example was thread a while back, on the abominable conditions (and premature failure...sound familiar?:D) of the green street signs...with photo's attached.

Within just a few short weeks, those (and other) failing signs...were replaced.

Just a pure coincidence?


If anyone believes that...I have this bridge for sale. :ohdear:



Not a Developer Issue.

[graciegirl]

Fenney broke ground three years ago with the promise that soon there would be infrastructure and two bridges connecting us on the South side of SR 44 to Brownwood and golf cart assessable activities. Since then, over 1,500 homes have been built, new ones pop up daily, Magnolia Plaza continues to be a waste land, no infrastructure other than cart paths that go in circles, no grocery store, no drug store, only one small restaurant that holds maybe 150 people (although the food is good) and no truthful or published response from The Villages Leadership or Family about when these promises will be addressed. Can't someone publish a schedule about when construction will commence. Why is it so hard to be truthful and honest with Villagers south of SR 44? My perception, the family's focus is on getting Chitty Chatty ready to build houses so they can sell, sell, sell, sell and reap profits. Why else would the second bridge over SR 44 be the focal point? Hey, don't forget about us down in the Fenney, McClure, Isles, Marsh Bend and Deluna areas. We bought on a promise, now will someone deliver?

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/rte-44-brownwood-bridge-297233/


Those who benefit from negativity about the new areas are those who cannot sell houses in the new area. I always wonder about things like this.

[canyonblue]

My perception, the family's focus is on getting Chitty Chatty ready to build houses so they can sell, sell, sell, sell and reap profits. Why else would the second bridge over SR 44 be the focal point? Hey, don't forget about us down in the Fenney, McClure, Isles, Marsh Bend and Deluna areas. We bought on a promise, now will someone deliver?

Well guess what? Those soon to be NEW Villagers of Chitty Chatty will have golf cart access to shopping at Lake Deaton Plaza along with golfing at Championship Courses way before anyone down in Fenney, McClure, Isles, Marsh Bend and the Deluna areas will ever see. The bridge over 44 will guarantee that, as the Turnpike bridge sits and collects rust awaiting the approval from FDOT that is held up due to the widening project. Of course all is well and why should you ever complain. Cue the Koolies in three, two, one....

[CWGUY]

Yep, you can bet they do.

A perfect example was thread a while back, on the abominable conditions (and premature failure...sound familiar?:D) of the green street signs...with photo's attached.

Within just a few short weeks, those (and other) failing signs...were replaced.

Just a pure coincidence?


If anyone believes that...I have this bridge for sale. :ohdear:

:confused: I think the street signs are the responsibility of the County Public Works Department. Public Works Department | Sumter County, FL - Official Website (https://sumtercountyfl.gov/92/Public-Works)

:ohdear: And as for that bridge ...... you bought it..... it's yours! :icon_wink:

[JoMar]

The main takeaway from your post that any reasonable person should agree with is this: The developer owes updated and reliable information to the residents. They were quick to publish optimistic anticipated times in their sales literature and should correct it now that those estimates are long past.

Villagers take projections as promises. Not sure why you think the "owe" us anything other than projections. I assume, they assume, that we are adults and understand how construction can change, how regulatory bodies can impact schedules and how "business's" choose markets and make determinations based on revenue where they will put their stores. You bought into a dynamic community, one that will ebb and flow until you sections is built out. It might be difficult for you but the Developer owes you nothing and it is their business to manage.

[npwalters]

Villagers take projections as promises. Not sure why you think the "owe" us anything other than projections. I assume, they assume, that we are adults and understand how construction can change, how regulatory bodies can impact schedules and how "business's" choose markets and make determinations based on revenue where they will put their stores. You bought into a dynamic community, one that will ebb and flow until you sections is built out. It might be difficult for you but the Developer owes you nothing and it is their business to manage.

I have the opinion that any business that sells houses based on projections has the moral duty to address - at least with information - significant failures of those projections.

I do not want to do business with anyone who does not feel that way.

[Marathon Man]

Yep, you can bet they do.

A perfect example was thread a while back, on the abominable conditions (and premature failure...sound familiar?:D) of the green street signs...with photo's attached.

Within just a few short weeks, those (and other) failing signs...were replaced.

Just a pure coincidence?


If anyone believes that...I have this bridge for sale. :ohdear:

"The Developer" did not take care of the street signs. So, no. I don't think that "The Developer" reads TOTV. And, I also don't believe that there is a bridge for sale.

I search for facts before forming an opinion. But, that's just me.

[Marathon Man]

So, generally speaking, I wave to agree with this one. I think that "The Developer" would be doing a good thing if they came across with an update. Even if it is not what we want to hear, at least we would have something. It's time.

[ColdNoMore]

"The Developer" did not take care of the street signs. So, no. I don't think that "The Developer" reads TOTV. And, I also don't believe that there is a bridge for sale.

I search for facts before forming an opinion. But, that's just me.

You are correct in that it is the county's responsibility...to maintain the street signs.

It's beyond naïve to think however, that Da Family doesn't stay in close contact with the county...on those things that might reflect poorly on TV.

I'm still trying to reconcile however, your contradictory statements...in a single post. :confused:

I'm sure I'm not the only one, curious as to what "facts" you have found (after supposedly) searching...that Da Family doesn't read TOTV.

Please share...we'll wait. :popcorn:

[New Englander]

Do you really think "The Villages Leadership" reads TOTV?

Honestly, I think they do.

[CWGUY]

Do you really think "The Villages Leadership" reads TOTV?

Honestly, I think they do.

Honestly, I think they don't. My guess is they are way too busy.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Do you really think "The Villages Leadership" reads TOTV?

I think that is an additional duty of the IT guy. Each morning he presents a PowerPoint briefing summarizing the previous 24 hours of TOTV and TV News. In attendance at said briefing is the vast team of spin doctors who then prioritize the issues into three categories, Raving Nut Cases, Just Whining, and Empire Threatening. Further prioritization is then accomplished within the last category and a team is implemented to either develop "feel good" solutions, nominate scapegoats, or, in some cases employ red herrings or smoke and mirrors. After enjoying cognac and Cuban cigars, secret handshakes are exchanged and everyone goes on their merry way.

[alwann]

Want to know the Villages's leadership? Google this: The Villages of Lake-sumter Inc

All the officers are listed there, along with their email addresses. There's a Mr. Lester listed who I believe is in charge of community relations. Maybe he will respond to your questions.

I'm always fascinated by how little the developer communicates. A town meeting once a year (limited, I believe, to HOA members), and with no Q&A, doesn't cut it. I speak as a former PR executive for a Fortune 10 company.

Of course, he/they don't have to communicate. It's a privately held business. Then again, I wonder whether the developer gives a hoot about his reputation.

[ColdNoMore]

My guess is that it's a minimum wage employee, whose daily job duties include looking at TOTV, the online newspaper and certain other media (re: Tampa Times/local papers).

IMHO, it would be pretty ridiculous (and naïve/borderline dumb) to think that Da Family doesn't try to stay right on top of what the general feelings are...by both residents and non-residents.

And whatever else they may also be...Da Family isn't "dumb."

It's called "opposition/competitor research" and I challenge anyone to prove that any entity, political or corporate...that isn't fully involved in doing such.

So why would anyone think that TV...is any different? :oops:

Anxiously awaiting for...proof otherwise. :popcorn:

[Retiring]

Do you really think "The Villages Leadership" reads TOTV?

Ask any TV Sales agent and you’ll find they actually do read TOTV. Ask any TV Sales agent what TV upper management thinks of people that post on TOTV and you might be crushed, if you’re thin skinned.

[Marathon Man]

You are correct in that it is the county's responsibility...to maintain the street signs.

It's beyond naïve to think however, that Da Family doesn't stay in close contact with the county...on those things that might reflect poorly on TV.

I'm still trying to reconcile however, your contradictory statements...in a single post. :confused:

I'm sure I'm not the only one, curious as to what "facts" you have found (after supposedly) searching...that Da Family doesn't read TOTV.

Please share...we'll wait. :popcorn:

Seriously? That is what you took away from my statement. Whatever.

[Bucco]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/rte-44-brownwood-bridge-297233/


Those who benefit from negativity about the new areas are those who cannot sell houses in the new area. I always wonder about things like this.

I am sure there must be a conspiracy involved in some way.

[Bucco]

Ask any TV Sales agent and you’ll find they actually do read TOTV. Ask any TV Sales agent what TV upper management thinks of people that post on TOTV and you might be crushed, if you’re thin skinned.

VERY true

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I think I would be frustrated also. But, I have seen other housing developments go a lot worse. I know people in Virginia who bought condos for $850K in 2006, and before the building was even finished, the new prices dropped to $650K. There are gated golf communities in the Carolinas that sat half empty for years because the developer couldn't sell them. At least The Villages property values seem to be holding up, so you can usually get your money back if you want.

This standard: "other places are worse" is pretty sad. I could live in Antarctica and be happy, if all I had to do was apply "other places are worse" to my primary set of criteria.

The fact that some people really do feel that we should be grateful because "other places are worse" indicates that some people have very low standards.

I don't expect a gourmet chef to come to my house and cook me my meals every day, but I do expect golf cart access to anywhere in the Villages. I don't even expect that access to be easy or quick. This is not an unreasonable expectation in a golf cart community. It should be a -minimum- expectation in a golf cart community.

If you can't even set your standards to that bare minimum, then I'd say it's your standards at fault, and not anyone complaining about the situation.

[Bogie Shooter]

The main takeaway from your post that any reasonable person should agree with is this: The developer owes updated and reliable information to the residents. They were quick to publish optimistic anticipated times in their sales literature and should correct it now that those estimates are long past.

Owes??

[Bogie Shooter]

Well guess what? Those soon to be NEW Villagers of Chitty Chatty will have golf cart access to shopping at Lake Deaton Plaza along with golfing at Championship Courses way before anyone down in Fenney, McClure, Isles, Marsh Bend and the Deluna areas will ever see. The bridge over 44 will guarantee that, as the Turnpike bridge sits and collects rust awaiting the approval from FDOT that is held up due to the widening project. Of course all is well and why should you ever complain. Cue the Koolies in three, two, one....

Where can I read an official statement on this???

[npwalters]

he main takeaway from your post that any reasonable person should agree with is this: The developer owes updated and reliable information to the residents. They were quick to publish optimistic anticipated times in their sales literature and should correct it now that those estimates are long past.

Owes??

I'm a southerner. We use the word "owe" when one has a moral obligation to complete an action. Such as I "owe" you an apology for telling you that golf cart access will be available in early 2020 and now it wont be.

[asianthree]

The Villages Gourmet Club have a restaurant going in the new plaza. So far developer has one Grocery and one restaurant sign on the dotted line. It’s filling up quickly :popcorn:

[Number 10 GI]

Whine, moan, groan, snivel and sob! Good grief people you are above ground and living in a place so many others can't afford that has more amenities than many cities offer. I'm so tired of hearing about how there are no restaurants, stores, etc. at Magnolia Plaza. How many smart, knowledgeable and successful business owners would even think about building/leasing a building, stocking it with merchandise and hiring employees to run it if there aren't enough people living in the area to even pay the electric bill with from their patronage? You do know that businesses need to make a profit to keep the doors open?

[graciegirl]

My guess is that it's a minimum wage employee, whose daily job duties include looking at TOTV, the online newspaper and certain other media (re: Tampa Times/local papers).

IMHO, it would be pretty ridiculous (and naïve/borderline dumb) to think that Da Family doesn't try to stay right on top of what the general feelings are...by both residents and non-residents.

And whatever else they may also be...Da Family isn't "dumb."

It's called "opposition/competitor research" and I challenge anyone to prove that any entity, political or corporate...that isn't fully involved in doing such.

So why would anyone think that TV...is any different? :oops:

Anxiously awaiting for...proof otherwise. :popcorn:

A minimum wage employee whose job it is to check the online forums?

Why would the pay scale be part of the qualification?

I think that Mark Morse is very aware of the opinions of people who live here and I am sure that some opinions must annoy him. They would certainly annoy me if I were doing my best to run my business and I was being so successful in doing so.

And the ultimate test of success is continued droves of people wanting to live here.

[ColdNoMore]

A minimum wage employee whose job it is to check the online forums?
Yep.


Why would the pay scale be part of the qualification?
Because to look at all of the media sources on a daily basis, would be simple, tedious and very easy to do.

All characteristics of those positions typically...on the low end of the pay scale. :oops:


I think that Mark Morse is very aware of the opinions of people who live here...
And how would he know that...by osmosis?

Or maybe, just maybe, someone is assigned the duty to gather all of the opinions/writings, from a plethora of sources...and disseminate them to him and/or other members of Da Family?


...and I am sure that some opinions must annoy him.
No doubt.

And exactly WHY, should anyone care what does/doesn't...personally annoy him?

Last I checked, he's still not a king or dictator...and can't lop off anyone's head.


They would certainly annoy me if I were doing my best to run my business and I was being so successful in doing so.
So you're saying that everyone should avoid "annoying" anyone (by simply stating their opinion), who is..."doing their best and has a successful business?"

Really? :ohdear:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yep.

Because to look at all of the media sources on a daily basis, would be simple, tedious and very easy to do.

All characteristics of those positions typically...on the low end of the pay scale. :oops:

And how would he know that...by osmosis?

Or maybe, just maybe, someone is assigned the duty to gather all of the opinions/writings, from a plethora of sources...and disseminate them to him and/or other members of Da Family?

No doubt.

And exactly WHY, should anyone care what does/doesn't...personally annoy him?

Last I checked, he's still not a king or dictator...and can't lop off anyone's head.

So you're saying that everyone should avoid "annoying" anyone (by simply stating their opinion), who is..."doing their best and has a successful business?"

Really? :ohdear:

Yeah that's pretty common actually, in corporations. Having a clerk whose job it is to check the press for op-eds and news articles about their boss or their boss's business. They're not typically minimum wage, but they're definitely on the low end of the totem pole. In Florida terms, that'd be around $10/hour (which is still less than minimum wage in many states). They check ALL media though, not just online fora.

[ColdNoMore]

Yeah that's pretty common actually, in corporations. Having a clerk whose job it is to check the press for op-eds and news articles about their boss or their boss's business. They're not typically minimum wage, but they're definitely on the low end of the totem pole. In Florida terms, that'd be around $10/hour (which is still less than minimum wage in many states). They check ALL media though, not just online fora.

Admittedly purely anecdotal, but all my buddies who have looked for jobs in TV (set up/take down for events, event security, golf ambassadors, Etc.) have told me...that the pay was extremely low.

I also recall most of them saying that a lot of the jobs...WERE minimum wage. :shrug:

Which was $8.46 per hour until this year, when it shot all the way up...to $8.56 per hour.

But hey, maybe for the highly technical and intellectually demanding position of perusing all media/internet sources on a daily basis, that discuss TV or Da Family...the pay might even get all the way up to $10.01 per hour. :D

[kcrazorbackfan]

Villagers take projections as promises. Not sure why you think the "owe" us anything other than projections. I assume, they assume, that we are adults and understand how construction can change, how regulatory bodies can impact schedules and how "business's" choose markets and make determinations based on revenue where they will put their stores. You bought into a dynamic community, one that will ebb and flow until you sections is built out. It might be difficult for you but the Developer owes you nothing and it is their business to manage.

But, but, there are the privileged entitled elitist people amongst us that think everything revolves around their little world and the Developers had better get everything done immediately for them. :boom:

[Northwoods]

Want to know the Villages's leadership? Google this: The Villages of Lake-sumter Inc

All the officers are listed there, along with their email addresses. There's a Mr. Lester listed who I believe is in charge of community relations. Maybe he will respond to your questions.

I'm always fascinated by how little the developer communicates. A town meeting once a year (limited, I believe, to HOA members), and with no Q&A, doesn't cut it. I speak as a former PR executive for a Fortune 10 company.

Of course, he/they don't have to communicate. It's a privately held business. Then again, I wonder whether the developer gives a hoot about his reputation.
I have a similar background and worked for a major corporation. Ultimately we focused on anything that might positively or negatively impact stock price. The Developer doesn't have this problem. This is a very successful privately held business. I will say there have been a few situations where they could have done a better job of "messaging" the issue. But I think the VAST majority of homeowners are very happy. And they continue to sell houses at an amazing rate.
So, to me, responding to the "squeaky wheel" negative comments is a bit of a 'whack a mole' exercise.
If there was an issue that had a negative impact on home sales they would be very visible and address it. But their approach has worked very well for them. There will always be negative people.
And do I believe The Developer Leadership team reads TOTV? I'd be very surprised if they do. The majority of negative comments are about issues that are attributed to them but are the responsibility of the District. They have MUCH bigger fish to fry.

[FriscoKid]

I just wanted to add my experience buying a home in the Village of DeSoto a couple years ago... at NO time did my Villages sales rep make any claims around the timing of the shopping center or golf cart bridges. In fact, she was very careful not misrepresenting any forward looking planning and building. It was (and continues to be) a non-issue for me. (Now, I am NOT retired and continue to travel back and forth to the villages making this perhaps less of an issue.) She also sold a home to one of my closest friends. (It was a two-for!) He wanted to have golf cart accessibility NOW (better for rental) and bought a re-sale in the Village of Gilchrist.

It frequently appears to me that the lack of bridges is more of an issue for those who don't live in the southern areas than for those who do. (At least talking to the people I come in contact with down south.)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Admittedly purely anecdotal, but all my buddies who have looked for jobs in TV (set up/take down for events, event security, golf ambassadors, Etc.) have told me...that the pay was extremely low.

I also recall most of them saying that a lot of the jobs...WERE minimum wage. :shrug:

Which was $8.46 per hour until this year, when it shot all the way up...to $8.56 per hour.

But hey, maybe for the highly technical and intellectually demanding position of perusing all media/internet sources on a daily basis, that discuss TV or Da Family...the pay might even get all the way up to $10.01 per hour. :D

Most entry level jobs in the Villages are minimum wage. But office jobs tend to start a little higher. Not much - but some. It's still poverty-level wages but that tends to suit retirees who are on Social Security and need to maintain a low maximum income, but don't want to or can't yet leave the work force completely.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We were told by two agents, when we were on a lifestyle visit in the Brownwood area, that the whole area would be 100% golf-cart accessible to and from the northern part of the Villages, before 2020. It was one of the selling points. I'm just glad that neither me nor my spouse liked the newness and wanted something more settled. I would've been rip-roaring ****ed if I had to be stuck in an unfinished neighborhood, in a golf cart community that didn't have actual golf cart access to the vast majority of that community for a year or more.

[JoMar]

Isn't speculation fun?

[billethkid]

Isn't speculation fun?

Accompanied by a plethora of WAGS.

[Topspinmo]

Sometimes, things don't go as planned.
Sometimes, completion dates are over optimistic.
Sometimes, planners and developers meet up with delays with permits from county or state etc.
Sometimes, developers are a litte shy with the truth.
Sometimes, shortage of craftsmen is a problem.
Sometimes developers are assett rich, but cash poor.

Probaly among all the sometimes, are the facts.
One thing for sure, all that was promised will arrive. Sometime!!


Or sometimes get sold ocean front property in Az. :popcorn:

Now I believe they’re short on cash flow being there trying pond off country clubs and water treatment plants to districts. How about that payroll payment every month! Maybe there in over they’re head this time? For our sakes I hope not?

[Ssouan]

It is not unreasonable to expect updates on Connectivity and Magnolia from the Developer. I actually tried to inquire with the Developer’s office and was told to talk to the Sales Department. Lack of communication usually leads to frustration, rumors, speculation, etc.

[Mmarr]

Some day.. everything promised will come.. until then just enjoy your life and not the wants.. or move back north where growing continues..

[Northerner52]

All these complaints because one can't use a golf cart to shop or eat? Plenty of shopping within 15 minute drive!!!!

[Ashley from UK]

I think I would be frustrated also. But, I have seen other housing developments go a lot worse. I know people in Virginia who bought condos for $850K in 2006, and before the building was even finished, the new prices dropped to $650K. There are gated golf communities in the Carolinas that sat half empty for years because the developer couldn't sell them. At least The Villages property values seem to be holding up, so you can usually get your money back if you want.

And I know 695 homeowners who put down between 10 and 100% deposits on a lovely development of homes on H27 4 miles from Disney. The landscaper lost over $1m in unpaid fees. The liquidators were unable to find or account for $ 23m in homeowner deposits. The realtor skipped the country when he found out no developer bonds existed to protect homeowners deposits, The developer is currently in Jail for fraud...So TV may be a little late, but at least they are still building....

[SacDQ]

That’s why we bought a preowned home in April of 2019. I’ve learned very early in life not to believe in promise’s.

[Craig Vernon]

As a future villager I watch everything going on but I suppose I am not as emotionally involved. When I was in TV twice this last year I saw Spanish Springs completely developed, Sumter Landing full, Brownwood had many vacancies and more buildings under construction. Developer by definition is a process of supply and demand. Businesses will come as demand grows which means more homes with occupants means more businesses of all kinds. The developer in this case has to have Brownwood fully developed and a show demand for more to anyone looking to open to the south. Communication by the developer is of what is formally agreed to build or is coming which at this stage would be speculation of the future meaning only franchises or those who can survive until the build out. I believe the south will be like the north someday, how long, even the developer probably doesn't know for sure but is betting on it for everyone. Stay safe all and enjoy what you have!

[rmd2]

I bought a preowned home too and it was the best decision I ever made. I recommend anyone new to the area rent here for a little while first to see what area they like best. I bought a turn-key home near 466 and still love this location!

[jedalton]

they say anything to sell houses.

[FenneyFanatic]

I’m so tired of hearing whiners complaining about how the developer doesn’t communicate with residents! Every year, around April or May, they hold “An Evening with the Developer” at The Sharon to share their plans for the next year. Get your tickets early!

[Colby]

When we rented two years ago to “try out”’the Villages and decided to buy the only place we looked at was Fenney due to its surrounding nature and beauty. Loved it then and love it now. Having a grocery 1 mile away vs 5 will be nice but shouldn’t be a factor when choosing a home. I do agree though an update of a timeline would be the responsible thing to impart for the residents currently living here.

[drhntr8]

These problems arrived when the “kids”took over after the passing of the “old man”...this is typical of a third generation corporation.

[justjim]

The main takeaway from your post that any reasonable person should agree with is this: The developer owes updated and reliable information to the residents. They were quick to publish optimistic anticipated times in their sales literature and should correct it now that those estimates are long past.

This post makes sense but don’t hold your breath that this will happen. In our fourteenth year in TV and the Developer has always “played his cards” close to his chest. And I might say that isn’t a bad idea for such a business as big and profitable as The Villages.

[theruizs]

In 2012 when we bought they promised us that they would be built out in 5 years. They tell you what you want to hear to sell the house. However, I am sure they will eventually follow through with what they told you, just don’t hold your breath.

[Guitarman1951]

Cash poor, permit delays? You are talking the billionaire developers who control the county commissioners and I highly doubt are cash poor. Get real.

[rrlavigne]

I agree with the original poster. It's NOT a lack of understanding about how construction dates can get pushed back, it's a TOTAL lack of any type of OFFICIAL updated information from the developer that's the issue. When i bought my land to build on in Fenney my sales person "promised" me several times that we'd be fully connected in a year in a half "at most," this was in November 2017. I didn't "hear what I wanted to hear" as some have said, this is what I was literally told. Obviously that date has already been long past. I do understand things happen in the real world however the thing that angers me is that we're left with rumors and gossip, no facts, no solid information. I think we south of 44 deserve some official communication regarding golf cart connectivity. I bought in the Villages because they sold me a LIFE STYLE. I've been living here going on 2 years and still need to drive my car everywhere, shopping, banks, entertainment, ... everywhere. Even golfing on the north side of 44 is a major pain due to not being golf cart connected. We deserve at the very least some honest, official, and ON GOING communication. Maybe a once a month update / article? Since we're paying our full month amenities fees (just like people on the other side of 44 who are connected) and aren't receiving the full LIFESTYLE villages experience I think it's the least the developer can do.

[Aqtlow]

Ok I’ll buy into all of that, but I’ve heard so many dead lines, that have come and gone, the last was from a sales person at the new rec. center that June for sure, all set with the state, and All paths complete. Well that hasn’t gone yet, but I here grumbling that 2022, yes 2022 and big problem with the state. I worked in construction for 40+ years so you can sell all that bs about dead lines but I truly believe that the state is holding up the deal, due to the bruised feelings from the Spanish springs bridge. Sssssoooo please tell me WHY the HECK we can not go over the Morris boulevard bridge over the thru way??? Doing south there is plenty of room to push the cars to the left, create a barrier or elevate the path like lake Sumter bridge, install roundabouts or stop signs to slow vehicular traffic ( as speed signs don’t work lol) and let’s be done with it.... grandiose bridges are nice but don’t do a dam good sitting along side the road. If 2022 is a real number please tell me as I have a lot of choices that leave me NEAR the villages .

[Tmcbryan]

Florida Dept of Transportation owns builds the bridge over the toll road. State beauracracy is in charge

[Two Bills]

Why would the Developer have to tell anyone anything.
Their ball, their game.
This place is not a democracy!

[vintageogauge]

My guess is that Chitty Chatty and Bradford are going to sell out really fast and that is why they are working so hard over there and forgetting about the other side of the pike for now. Even the county is not working like they should. Why is it that work as all but stopped on the far end of Warm Springs and the 301 intersection? If they are not going to be allowed to install that bridge, they have to be scrambling trying to figure out just what to do. My guess would be to strengthen the existing cattle bridge and get cart paths down to it as soon as possible. All in all though, updates should be available to those that live both north and south along with prospective buyers.

[Topspinmo]

Cash poor, permit delays? You are talking the billionaire developers who control the county commissioners and I highly doubt are cash poor. Get real.

IMO Difference between cash in hand and assets. They got big payroll to meet. When you have cash flow problem you sell off some assets.

[Two Bills]

Cash poor, permit delays? You are talking the billionaire developers who control the county commissioners and I highly doubt are cash poor. Get real.

You become a million/billionaire, by using the banks money, (especially when you own the bank), not your own!:icon_wink:

[kkeennyy]

This message is to the villages,,, get it dunn now, bridge to brownwood !!, plus the magnolia plaza,, and quit lying or misleading us> the to rebuild some confidence in you again<if thats possible !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chi-Town]

Wonder why Chitty Chatty and Bradford weren't first in the expansion. Then work south completing infrastructure and connectivity as you go.

[CandB]

We found a cure for the golf cart concerns south of 44. Now keep in mind were non golfers so the GC would be strickly for shopping, visiting friends, Town Center visits, ect.
Ok here it is are you ready "DON'T BUY A GOLF CART"

Building new home with GC garage that will sit empty till the access to north of 44 is a reality not current "who knows" The other nice thing about The Villages many seem to not consider is you can go anyplace by car in 10-15 min. Granted its not as enjoyable as use of GC but you can do it.

We rented for 2 months in Oceola Hills last year (Aug-Sept) and went every place by GC. It was great fun and easy way to get around we hardly used our car.

We still bought in Monarch Grove knowing there is no connection between north and south other than info given by the sales hype of "bridges by mid to 2020" . Are we dissapointed the reality does not match the hype..of course but hey life does go on and we will survive the wait.

In the mean time the his and hers golf carts will be put on hold till we can actually use them like we did last year. On the bright side we now will have a nice big area for storage with its own mini garage door....like having a rental storage unit on site..lol

We will just pop the top and use car till it makes sence to buy and use GC.

Happy trails yall and don't sweat the little things but be greatful for what you have. :MOJE_whot:

[dewilson58]

We found a cure for the golf cart concerns south of 44. Now keep in mind were non golfers so the GC would be strickly for shopping, visiting friends, Town Center visits, ect.
Ok here it is are you ready "DON'T BUY A GOLF CART"

Building new home with GC garage that will sit empty till the access to north of 44 is a reality not current "who knows" The other nice thing about The Villages many seem to not consider is you can go anyplace by car in 10-15 min. Granted its not as enjoyable as use of GC but you can do it.

We rented for 2 months in Oceola Hills last year (Aug-Sept) and went every place by GC. It was great fun and easy way to get around we hardly used our car.

We still bought in Monarch Grove knowing there is no connection between north and south other than info given by the sales hype of "bridges by mid to 2020" . Are we dissapointed the reality does not match the hype..of course but hey life does go on and we will survive the wait.

In the mean time the his and hers golf carts will be put on hold till we can actually use them like we did last year. On the bright side we now will have a nice big area for storage with its own mini garage door....like having a rental storage unit on site..lol

We will just pop the top and use car till it makes sence to buy and use GC.

Happy trails yall and don't sweat the little things but be greatful for what you have. :MOJE_whot:




:bigbow:

[graciegirl]

I am always skeptical of any post that says "my agent promised me"

I think a lot of people have distorted memory or poor hearing. Agents selling homes in The Villages don't have to embellish or enlarge or lie. They are selling like hot cakes..

The Developers family has never in my memory of fourteen years been much for telling people what and when things would happen. We were at the Sharon at the State of the Villages where Mark Morse said that they had closed the deal to make the rest contiguous. That was about three years ago.

It is good business to keep future dealings close to one's chest. There are a whole lot of people who want to make top dollar on their land and the overall price of land has gone up, thus the lots are smaller in order to try to keep the price of property down some. That is MY opinion.

[asianthree]

Many of us moved here with some if not none of the shopping. Yet we never came to this site, to damn the developer, ( like they read this) we happily waited for new things to come and were amazed when it happened.

Maybe the new unhappy are much Much older than us, and have lost the ability to drive a car. Or just need to find a reason to be unhappy.

[MrExcite721]

When the connectivity bridges are complete and open for use, there will surely be more complaining. Too crowded, poorly lit, unsafe, flimsy, rusty, too high, too low, too narrow, too wide, too steep, too shallow, unfamiliar, bad signage, dusty and scary.

Will someone good with spreadsheets create one that logs the complainers wanting the bridges NOW and ban them from complaints once they are open. It will only take one "seems like they rushed to open" post to make my head go BOOM !!!!

[coffeebean]

My guess is that Chitty Chatty and Bradford are going to sell out really fast and that is why they are working so hard over there and forgetting about the other side of the pike for now. Even the county is not working like they should. Why is it that work as all but stopped on the far end of Warm Springs and the 301 intersection? If they are not going to be allowed to install that bridge, they have to be scrambling trying to figure out just what to do. My guess would be to strengthen the existing cattle bridge and get cart paths down to it as soon as possible. All in all though, updates should be available to those that live both north and south along with prospective buyers.

I just think this generation of Morses has bit off more than they can chew. Just my take. You don't have to agree with me.

[coffeebean]

We found a cure for the golf cart concerns south of 44. Now keep in mind were non golfers so the GC would be strickly for shopping, visiting friends, Town Center visits, ect.
Ok here it is are you ready "DON'T BUY A GOLF CART"

Building new home with GC garage that will sit empty till the access to north of 44 is a reality not current "who knows" The other nice thing about The Villages many seem to not consider is you can go anyplace by car in 10-15 min. Granted its not as enjoyable as use of GC but you can do it.

We rented for 2 months in Oceola Hills last year (Aug-Sept) and went every place by GC. It was great fun and easy way to get around we hardly used our car.

We still bought in Monarch Grove knowing there is no connection between north and south other than info given by the sales hype of "bridges by mid to 2020" . Are we dissapointed the reality does not match the hype..of course but hey life does go on and we will survive the wait.

In the mean time the his and hers golf carts will be put on hold till we can actually use them like we did last year. On the bright side we now will have a nice big area for storage with its own mini garage door....like having a rental storage unit on site..lol

We will just pop the top and use car till it makes sence to buy and use GC.

Happy trails yall and don't sweat the little things but be greatful for what you have. :MOJE_whot:

The 441/27 corridor of retail store and restaurants, medical facilities and TV Regional hospital is further than that. Sorry. So glad to be living within 10 minutes of the corridor. But.....to each his own. South of 44 is more lovely and out doorsy than north of 44.

[JoMar]

The 441/27 corridor of retail store and restaurants, medical facilities and TV Regional hospital is further than that. Sorry. So glad to be living within 10 minutes of the corridor. But.....to each his own. South of 44 is more lovely and out doorsy than north of 44.

Actually with the addition of the two emergency centers, Brownwood Specialty Center (opening soon), three care centers, urgent care and the UF Leesburg Hospital medical facilitates are now better and closer down this way. There is also shopping and eating on 441/27 south which can be reached in 15 minutes or so. I suspect in a few years, there will be a"corridor" down here that will be competing with the "corridor" up there :) Below 44 has a nice vibe but I contribute that to the focus on outdoorsy and a more active and younger demo.

[photo1902]

I would appeal to The Villages Leadership to place a Wegman's, Costco, Trader Joes, Walmart, CVS, Walgreens, TopGolf, Walmart Neighborhood Market, Turnpike Entrance/Exit off of Buena Vista Boulevard within 20 feet of the Hillsborough gate. In addition, I would also like a daily Farmer's Market within 20' of my home. That being said, I don't want any additional vehicular traffic affecting my neighborhood. Thank you!

[baustgen]

Thank you for giving us the best retirement community in the US. My taxes are less, I have a nicer home, I will probably live longer with all the activities, I do not touch a snow shovel and we have made some fantastic friends. Ignore the gripers. Keep going as planned. We all owe you a big thanks.

[Nucky]

Sometimes, things don't go as planned.
Sometimes, completion dates are over optimistic.
Sometimes, planners and developers meet up with delays with permits from county or state etc.
Sometimes, developers are a litte shy with the truth.
Sometimes, shortage of craftsmen is a problem.
Sometimes developers are assett rich, but cash poor.

Probaly among all the sometimes, are the facts.
One thing for sure, all that was promised will arrive. Sometime!!

We don't live down yonder yet. We hope to be busting a move to the other side about a year from now. I will accept the shortcoming that everyone speaks of because I know that in the end everything will work out just fine as it always does.

Two Bills hit the Nail On The Head in the 2nd post on this thread. The Villages needs approval from agencies that no matter what The Villages Worst CRITIC of the Developer says is NOT under their control. That causes delays. Speculation gets everyone juiced up. Chill out GrassHopper, The Dream Bridge will appear in exactly the time it takes. NOT ON YOUR SCHEDULE OR THE SCHEDULE PROMISED TO YOU!

Maybe the DOT wants a center support on the Turnpike Bridge? More Speculation! Chill, its gonna happen.

If anyone is stuck in the new section without food, water or in need of medical help call us up north we'll come down and save you! :pray:

[BobnBev]

What rocket scientist came up with the name Chitty Chatty. Did they poll the 3rd graders?

[asianthree]

What rocket scientist came up with the name Chitty Chatty. Did they poll the 3rd graders?

Named after the Creek

[Aqtlow]

Well my mistake, next time that’s what I’ll do but I made the mistake of selling my home north as “ by x- mas you’ll be able to go any where you want.. that was in Early April. I guess that we could have a x mas in June but I may be June 2022. Not so sure that flys as far as why the should tell us something bill , the told us wrong and wrong is wrong in my book, guessing you live north of 44.... working on 4 years in the villages and things are great but there but not as we were told.

[JoMar]

Well my mistake, next time that’s what I’ll do but I made the mistake of selling my home north as “ by x- mas you’ll be able to go any where you want.. that was in Early April. I guess that we could have a x mas in June but I may be June 2022. Not so sure that flys as far as why the should tell us something bill , the told us wrong and wrong is wrong in my book, guessing you live north of 44.... working on 4 years in the villages and things are great but there but not as we were told.

Was the Kool-aid delicious? I've been here 5 and while a little behind, everything we were told is now here.

[alwann]

What rocket scientist came up with the name Chitty Chatty. Did they poll the 3rd graders?

Maybe they had an employee contest. Second place winner was Boaty McBoatface.

[asianthree]

Well my mistake, next time that’s what I’ll do but I made the mistake of selling my home north as “ by x- mas you’ll be able to go any where you want.. that was in Early April. I guess that we could have a x mas in June but I may be June 2022. Not so sure that flys as far as why the should tell us something bill , the told us wrong and wrong is wrong in my book, guessing you live north of 44.... working on 4 years in the villages and things are great but there but not as we were told.

But if you are so unhappy you can move. People do it everyday in TV. We are in house #3, and it may not be the last. We are looking at chitty chatty. More tranquil environment, less shopping, cart paths

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

But if you are so unhappy you can move. People do it everyday in TV. We are in house #3, and it may not be the last. We are looking at chitty chatty. More tranquil environment, less shopping, cart paths

Some people sink a hefty chunk of their retirement savings into their retirement home. Some people would LOVE to move to a different part of the Villages. Perhaps you can start the line of those willing to donate to the cause.

[dwhite5773]

Villagers take projections as promises. Not sure why you think the "owe" us anything other than projections. I assume, they assume, that we are adults and understand how construction can change, how regulatory bodies can impact schedules and how "business's" choose markets and make determinations based on revenue where they will put their stores. You bought into a dynamic community, one that will ebb and flow until you sections is built out. It might be difficult for you but the Developer owes you nothing and it is their business to manage.
Great reply, totally misses the point! Chitty Chatty and Bradford will have full golf cart connectivity to ALL the amenities (championship golf, dining, shopping, BROWNWOOD) almost immediately upon purchase, when the “original” villages south of 44, that are ALMOST COMPLETE having none of this all sold on FALSE PROMISES! Yes, promises (read the sales information from the period)!

[tophcfa]

Since the title of this thread is dear villages leadership, can I add my wish to the list? Please build more Championship golf🙏

[graciegirl]

Admittedly purely anecdotal, but all my buddies who have looked for jobs in TV (set up/take down for events, event security, golf ambassadors, Etc.) have told me...that the pay was extremely low.

I also recall most of them saying that a lot of the jobs...WERE minimum wage. :shrug:

Which was $8.46 per hour until this year, when it shot all the way up...to $8.56 per hour.

But hey, maybe for the highly technical and intellectually demanding position of perusing all media/internet sources on a daily basis, that discuss TV or Da Family...the pay might even get all the way up to $10.01 per hour. :D


There is no shame in working, even for low pay. Many do it here.

Keeping costs low is how you curb inflation, generally and I doubt that someone as smart as the Morses must be would hire someone to feel the pulse of The Villages. They have many, many, relatives out working here in The Villages and not in cushy jobs either.

[rrlavigne]

Totally agree, we were sold and literally promised full connectivity ... from the promise made to me from my sales person in November of 2017, we should have been fully connected as of last May. We were also sold a lifestyle on the lifestyle preview trip and if you live south of 44 we get only a small portion of that golf cart community life style, but we pay a full amenity fee each month. We can't shop, go to stores on our golf carts, we can't go to our doctors on our golf carts, we can't or go to nightly entertainment on our golf carts, we can't go to most restaurants on our golf carts. Doing everything on our golf carts is a huge part of the villages lifestyle that we don't get to enjoy. Do we get reduced amenities fees for living with very limited amenities? NOPE!!! If i knew they would be so far behind I would have never bought in Fenney, I would have bought in Pine Hill or one of the other connected villages. Some people say "if you're not happy move" like selling a house and moving to another is both easy and FREE, it's neither. I love my house, we had it built, and we have good neighbors, I DON'T love the facts that the villages didn't deliver on the direct promise their salesman and official representative gave to us, that we're paying full amenities fees for partial amenities, and IMO their biggest "sin" is a total lack of official honest communication regarding why they are so far behind. If they told us what was happening, why things are way behind schedule and told us when they foresee actual connectivity happening that would go a long way to quelling some of the anger regarding this issue. Instead we hear rumors and gossip and end up venting on forums like this. Generally speaking the villages is wonderful, we ARE lucky to be able to retire like this, but shame on the Villages for making promises they can't keep and then remaining silent rather than communication with those effected. And one more point, why don't the Villages have their lifestyle preview visits people stay in their newest most beautiful homes south of 44? Answer ... because they are selling a "lifestyle" and we south of 44 DON'T really have that golf cart lifestyle. I don't give a rats butt about their potential issues with the state, their politics and business matters are not my concern. I was promised / sold a lifestyle and a date to be fully connected and after going all in financially and emotionally I only got a fraction of that lifestyle with no explanation why they have not yet delivered on their promises.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I feel like the sales pitch for the southern part of the Villages was misleading. I feel like the sales folks were given this sales pitch by their employers (the developer), and perhaps they themselves believed the pitch and were able to emphasize it with sincerity as a result.

The developer knows from one week to the next, what the *approximate* month, quarter, year, the connectivity will be completed based on whatever information they have at the moment. Of COURSE that information is subject to change.

But if the sales office was insisting last year, that the completion was due before 2020, then the sales office would have been misleading potential buyers (investors).

From what I'm seeing in the news, and here on this forum, with links to official and unofficial sources - they didn't have all their ducks in a row when they made these promises. Some permits were ready, some were not. Some were pending, and some were being contested. So they weren't anywhere NEAR an expected date, when they gave an expected date to buyers.

As Richard Marx said: it don't mean nothin' til you sign it on the dotted line.

The sales crew made promises without even knowing whether or not there was a dotted line to sign yet.

Result: there's no dotted line yet and buyers have already bought, and want what they were promised in a reasonable amount of time.

[NotGolfer]

Everyone, take a deep breath! I don't see anyone starving or being all that inconvenienced---just impatient. This site and others all seem to feed on rumor and speculation and NOT facts. If you all would speak to people who've lived here for years (say the 1990's or early 2000's...they would say that T.V. didn't offer the amenities we now have. There's a comment to such in another thread. If amazes me that people who have no idea what it takes to build a community like ours offer their own solutions to how things should be done and run. We've lived here 10 yrs and those years sped by (it seems) with break-neck speed. To see the growth we've had is amazing! It won't be long that all the nay-sayers will be satisfied but will have other things to complain about.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Everyone, take a deep breath! I don't see anyone starving or being all that inconvenienced---just impatient. This site and others all seem to feed on rumor and speculation and NOT facts. If you all would speak to people who've lived here for years (say the 1990's or early 2000's...they would say that T.V. didn't offer the amenities we now have. There's a comment to such in another thread. If amazes me that people who have no idea what it takes to build a community like ours offer their own solutions to how things should be done and run. We've lived here 10 yrs and those years sped by (it seems) with break-neck speed. To see the growth we've had is amazing! It won't be long that all the nay-sayers will be satisfied but will have other things to complain about.

Another post with really low standards. Also entirely subjective. "not all that inconvenienced" and "not starving" is not what was advertised. It also doesn't matter how long it took for the first Villagers to get what they got - if they weren't promised those things within a reasonable timeframe in the first place.

The current wave was promised certain things, and advertising advertised certain things. Over two years later, they still haven't delivered on those promises, and people chose THAT section of the Villages based, partly, on THOSE promises. The primary promise being: 100% golf cart connectivity to the entirety of the Villages.

Yes they have beautiful walking trails. Yes the homes themselves are lovely. They even have a couple of nice golf courses down there.

But anyone who bought a brand new golf cart based on the promise that they'd be able to USE it to leave their neighborhoods, now owns a golf cart that is out of warranty - and they haven't been able to use it to leave their neighborhoods.

They could've chosen a different location. They chose that location because they were willing to wait a reasonable period of time for all the stuff that goes with that location. Two years for golf cart connectivity to your own amenity-paid community, and still no end in sight, is not a reasonable period of time.

If all you want is a brand new home - and you aren't looking for anything large (under 1700 sf) AND you want golf cart connectivity - which is something you have every right to expect in a golf cart community - then look into buying a run-down single-wide in Silver Lake, have it razed to the ground, and build brand new there.

[graciegirl]

I feel like the sales pitch for the southern part of the Villages was misleading. I feel like the sales folks were given this sales pitch by their employers (the developer), and perhaps they themselves believed the pitch and were able to emphasize it with sincerity as a result.

The developer knows from one week to the next, what the *approximate* month, quarter, year, the connectivity will be completed based on whatever information they have at the moment. Of COURSE that information is subject to change.

But if the sales office was insisting last year, that the completion was due before 2020, then the sales office would have been misleading potential buyers (investors).

From what I'm seeing in the news, and here on this forum, with links to official and unofficial sources - they didn't have all their ducks in a row when they made these promises. Some permits were ready, some were not. Some were pending, and some were being contested. So they weren't anywhere NEAR an expected date, when they gave an expected date to buyers.

As Richard Marx said: it don't mean nothin' til you sign it on the dotted line.

The sales crew made promises without even knowing whether or not there was a dotted line to sign yet.

Result: there's no dotted line yet and buyers have already bought, and want what they were promised in a reasonable amount of time.

What sales pitch are you speaking of?? Usually the sales conversation is just answering questions asked by the buyer. I think of a pitch as what a used car salesman does when he licks his thumb and says "Tell ya what I am gonna do".

There is no need for the staff to make any claims at all. People are quickly buying homes here.

[xcaligirl]

I think we've all bought on "promises".....

[dewilson58]

... from the promise made to me from my salesperson




Your post is based these two words in the same sentence.



How old are you????


President Reagan, "Trust but verify."


:ohdear:

[CandB]

The 441/27 corridor of retail store and restaurants, medical facilities and TV Regional hospital is further than that. Sorry. So glad to be living within 10 minutes of the corridor. But.....to each his own. South of 44 is more lovely and out doorsy than north of 44.

Your right while staying in Osceola Hills it seems like it only took about 15 min when we did use car. I did not take into consideration Fenney area is a bit further south and may take twice the time to reach north end . I stand corrected...:bigbow:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Your right while staying in Osceola Hills it seems like it only took about 15 min when we did use car. I did not take into consideration Fenney area is a bit further south and may take twice the time to reach north end . I stand corrected...:bigbow:

To get from the northernmost end of Buena Vista to Red Fox Executive Golf Course is approximately 35 minutes by car. You can take 301 instead and shave off 14 minutes if traffic is light.

By golf cart it takes - never mind. You can't get there by golf cart. If there was connectivity, however, it would take approximately 2 hours to get there by golf cart.

[asianthree]

To get from the northernmost end of Buena Vista to Red Fox Executive Golf Course is approximately 35 minutes by car. You can take 301 instead and shave off 14 minutes if traffic is light.

By golf cart it takes - never mind. You can't get there by golf cart. If there was connectivity, however, it would take approximately 2 hours to get there by golf cart.

Those who are upset have not had the pleasure of riding 2 hours in a cart instead of 30 minutes in a car. We are 5 minutes to a grocery, that I don’t shop at. I drive a car out of the bubble. You are correct when those figure out some destinations are a one and done. I can take a cart to Lopez, did it once, now I drive and rent a cart. That was our One and Done

[charmed59]

I think we were all surprised that published dates came and went on the connectivity and Magnolia Plaza. I think they are reticent about putting new dates out there in case whatever messed with their dates before happens again.

That said, assuming connectivity doesn’t happen. It sounds like lots of people who actually live down there would be very happy. I think they should just change their marketing. Drop the connectivity talk, offer lifestyle visits in villas south of 44, and sell them as they are now. Future connectivity is an added bonus.

For those that are upset about published promises they couldn’t deliver on, perhaps offer them a one time only trade option for a preowned house of equal value without commission fees. The Villages could then resell the southern houses to folks that like the area for what it is. I suspect the number that would trade their custom home in for something already standing would be small. I overwhelmingly hear people are very happy with their choice of neighborhoods south of 44.

[CarlNads]

I have talked to dozens of people who are not happy, there have to be hundreds of people south of 44 who are not happy with the connectivity/plaza delays.

I was told in May 2019 that by January 2020, it was documented in the sales map. When deciding between 2 houses my realtor said: "what is 6 months", the short amount of time for connectivity was one of the factors in my decision.

There is one way to get the attention of the developer, and that would be a class-action lawsuit. A quick google shows many successful lawsuits against developers for failing to deliver promised amenities.

Any semi-retired lawyers out there?

[asianthree]

Some people sink a hefty chunk of their retirement savings into their retirement home. Some people would LOVE to move to a different part of the Villages. Perhaps you can start the line of those willing to donate to the cause.

The bonus of living here is you can sell quickly, make a profit, and buy in a different model, or different area. It not about their retirement money, it’s your investment. We have bought and sold homes here, and always made a profit. People move here multiple times. They have never on this site asked someone to donate, to their cause

[thomp679]

If anyone believes that...I have this bridge for sale. :ohdear:


By chance is that the Morse Bridge???

[ColdNoMore]

By chance is that the Morse Bridge???

Nahh, my personal morals and ethics would never allow me to sell something, where the island that the abutments sits on...was inadequately built and is eroding.

Kinda like the roads that are now failing prematurely. :ohdear:

[coffeebean]

To get from the northernmost end of Buena Vista to Red Fox Executive Golf Course is approximately 35 minutes by car. You can take 301 instead and shave off 14 minutes if traffic is light.

By golf cart it takes - never mind. You can't get there by golf cart. If there was connectivity, however, it would take approximately 2 hours to get there by golf cart.

And........that is one way!

[Northwoods]

I have talked to dozens of people who are not happy, there have to be hundreds of people south of 44 who are not happy with the connectivity/plaza delays.

I was told in May 2019 that by January 2020, it was documented in the sales map. When deciding between 2 houses my realtor said: "what is 6 months", the short amount of time for connectivity was one of the factors in my decision.

There is one way to get the attention of the developer, and that would be a class-action lawsuit. A quick google shows many successful lawsuits against developers for failing to deliver promised amenities.

Any semi-retired lawyers out there?
If you're going to have a class-action lawsuit I'm assuming you have something from The Villages in writing that states when the bridge would be built.

This is something that was posted on NextDoor today:

I just had a conversation with DOT regarding the rumors about the "bridge" and the widening of the Turnpike. There is NOT any plans to widen the Turnpike.
DOT is working on final approval for the bridge to make sure that all required standards are in place and then construction will begin on the final work in late spring or early summer of this year.

I don't know what is true... but if this post is accurate The Developer is working with the DOT to put a bridge over the Turnpike. The DOT is reviewing... which is why the bridge is not being built.

Did everyone who is speculating about the bridge on this post do any research, like call the DOT, to find out the facts? You know... make a phone call? Or are you just speculating, suggesting a lawsuit, demanding information... stamping your feet?

[Nucky]

I feel the pain of everyone who wants that Bridge Today. I would probably be in alignment with you if we were living with you lucky people down south.

IF in fact the final approvals have not been given there is not much more that can be done until they are in hand. Keep the Faith. Once you get the Bridge you will

probably wish for the old days cause you are going to have a whole lot of company from everybody up yonder.

[Bogie Shooter]

If you're going to have a class-action lawsuit I'm assuming you have something from The Villages in writing that states when the bridge would be built.

This is something that was posted on NextDoor today:

I just had a conversation with DOT regarding the rumors about the "bridge" and the widening of the Turnpike. There is NOT any plans to widen the Turnpike.
DOT is working on final approval for the bridge to make sure that all required standards are in place and then construction will begin on the final work in late spring or early summer of this year.

I don't know what is true... but if this post is accurate The Developer is working with the DOT to put a bridge over the Turnpike. The DOT is reviewing... which is why the bridge is not being built.

Did everyone who is speculating about the bridge on this post do any research, like call the DOT, to find out the facts? You know... make a phone call? Or are you just speculating, suggesting a lawsuit, demanding information... stamping your feet?

Thank you for the factual report. Sadly the whining will continue.

[dewilson58]

Dear Villages Leadership,




Thank You.




dewilson58

[karostay]

Do you really think "The Villages Leadership" reads TOTV?

Word by word

[npwalters]

Article in the Sun addressing the newest bridge and giving a new estimate for completion of the 3 previously planned. Coincidence? Maybe or maybe not.

[champion6]

Article in the Sun addressing the newest bridge and giving a new estimate for completion of the 3 previously planned. Coincidence? Maybe or maybe not.I wondered the same thing -- did they read TOTV? I started a new thread to discuss the DS article: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/connectivity-details-revealed-303283/

[kkeennyy]

Lets get together and march on thew main office [SET A DATE] or get a Petition going !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Villagevip]

In Jamaica mon, we have a ol' sayin, "Soon come"......

[dewilson58]

Lets get together and march on thew main office [SET A DATE] or get a Petition going !!!!!!!!!!!!




And burn our bras.

[eyc234]

Word by word


:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Pretty much do not believe they read any of the nonsense that comes out of most of these forums.

[eyc234]

If you're going to have a class-action lawsuit I'm assuming you have something from The Villages in writing that states when the bridge would be built.

This is something that was posted on NextDoor today:

I just had a conversation with DOT regarding the rumors about the "bridge" and the widening of the Turnpike. There is NOT any plans to widen the Turnpike.
DOT is working on final approval for the bridge to make sure that all required standards are in place and then construction will begin on the final work in late spring or early summer of this year.

I don't know what is true... but if this post is accurate The Developer is working with the DOT to put a bridge over the Turnpike. The DOT is reviewing... which is why the bridge is not being built.

Did everyone who is speculating about the bridge on this post do any research, like call the DOT, to find out the facts? You know... make a phone call? Or are you just speculating, suggesting a lawsuit, demanding information... stamping your feet?

:MOJE_whot::clap2::a040::coolsmiley::bigbow: Un uh, you did not just put out some logical facts. Go to the corner, you are in time out for the rest of this forum. You can come back when you learn how to post outlandish, destructive, derogatory, blame the developer or crooked commissioners post. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bogie Shooter]

Lets get together and march on thew main office [SET A DATE] or get a Petition going !!!!!!!!!!!!

Now where did I put my pitch fork?

[FriscoKid]

Wonder why Chitty Chatty and Bradford weren't first in the expansion. Then work south completing infrastructure and connectivity as you go.

It was my understanding (back when I was doing my due-diligence before buying) that when The Villages developers took over the development of the area of what is now called The Village of Fenney, it was already approved and ready for development. I can’t recall the original name, but it wasn’t “Fenney”. In any event, they clearly made a decision to continue to develop and that area was the quickest to market.

lt

[KeithDB]

I would advise anyone ask me about by here down South to ask for promises related to infrastructure and connectivity in writing. And that's what we should be doing. Rather that complaining we should be warning new potential residents. If they start losing home sales in Chitty Chatty and other new areas because of this the problem will miraculous be solved.

[Bogie Shooter]

I would advise anyone ask me about by here down South to ask for promises related to infrastructure and connectivity in writing. And that's what we should be doing. Rather that complaining we should be warning new potential residents. If they start losing home sales in Chitty Chatty and other new areas because of this the problem will miraculous be solved.

Careful what you wish for, could the value of your house go down with your little protest?
It will only move as fast as the permitting will allow……….
Did you miss post #107?

[vintageogauge]

I would advise anyone ask me about by here down South to ask for promises related to infrastructure and connectivity in writing. And that's what we should be doing. Rather that complaining we should be warning new potential residents. If they start losing home sales in Chitty Chatty and other new areas because of this the problem will miraculous be solved.

They won't be losing home sales in Chitty Chatty, 39 lots sold the first day it was opened, that is one village that will sell out fast, no turnpike, close to shopping, closer to Brownwood than the other villages south of 44, it will be the first to have golf car connectivity, close to Rohan and Everglades Rec. Centers, close to Leesburg Hospital, the only thing it doesn't have is natural gas.

[KeithDB]

Careful what you wish for, could the value of your house go down with your little protest?
It will only move as fast as the permitting will allow……….
Did you miss post #107?

Continued lack of development and infrastructure down here is a far greater threat to the value of my home. I will advise those who ask me about buying down here as I suggested. The lack of commitment by The Villages leadership to the development of infrastructure and connectivity down here is self apparent and I will make them pay for it in any way I can.

[Two Bills]

Continued lack of development and infrastructure down here is a far greater threat to the value of my home. I will advise those who ask me about buying down here as I suggested. The lack of commitment by The Villages leadership to the development of infrastructure and connectivity down here is self apparent and I will make them pay for it in any way I can.

I cannot see the fuss about connectivity. All The Villages have always been connected.
The newer area just not by golf cart. Yet!
As previously pointed out, read post #107

[mulligan]

The main takeaway from your post that any reasonable person should agree with is this: The developer owes updated and reliable information to the residents. They were quick to publish optimistic anticipated times in their sales literature and should correct it now that those estimates are long past.

Actually, the privately owned developer, once he has delivered the title to your home, owes you absolutely nothing.

[ColdNoMore]

I cannot see the fuss about connectivity. All The Villages have always been connected.
The newer area just not by golf cart. Yet!
As previously pointed out, read post #107

By that criteria, we're also "connected" to Antarctica..."just not by golf cart. Yet!" :D

[Two Bills]

By that criteria, we're also "connected" to Antarctica..."just not by golf cart. Yet!" :D

Only if Google says so!:icon_wink:

[ColdNoMore]

Only if Google says so!:icon_wink:

Well, it looks like Google Maps says we're...outta luck. :D

[Chi-Town]

The golf car issue in today's Villages magazine can always be saved for future reference.

[txfan]

Fenney broke ground three years ago with the promise that soon there would be infrastructure and two bridges connecting us on the South side of SR 44 to Brownwood and golf cart assessable activities. Since then, over 1,500 homes have been built, new ones pop up daily, Magnolia Plaza continues to be a waste land, no infrastructure other than cart paths that go in circles, no grocery store, no drug store, only one small restaurant that holds maybe 150 people (although the food is good) and no truthful or published response from The Villages Leadership or Family about when these promises will be addressed. Can't someone publish a schedule about when construction will commence. Why is it so hard to be truthful and honest with Villagers south of SR 44? My perception, the family's focus is on getting Chitty Chatty ready to build houses so they can sell, sell, sell, sell and reap profits. Why else would the second bridge over SR 44 be the focal point? Hey, don't forget about us down in the Fenney, McClure, Isles, Marsh Bend and Deluna areas. We bought on a promise, now will someone deliver?

You’re one day closer to these infrastructure improvements being in place than you were yesterday. (Hope that helps)

[dewilson58]

We bought on a promise

who promised??
he/she actually said, i promise??...........or was "planned".
what was your due diligence??

[coffeebean]

I cannot see the fuss about connectivity. All The Villages have always been connected.
The newer area just not by golf cart. Yet!
As previously pointed out, read post #107

Connectivity refers to golf cart connectivity, not automotive vehicles.

[KeithDB]

You’re one day closer to these infrastructure improvements being in place than you were yesterday. (Hope that helps)

It does not help. Today was another day when nothing was done with Magnolia Plaza. Yesterday was another day when nothing was done. This week was another week when nothing was done. Last week was another week when nothing was done. This month was another month when nothing was done. Last month was another month when nothing was done.

The crickets have been chirping in Magnolia Plaza for the better part of half a year now. Half a freaking year! If the ball is not rolling, it's not getting closer to anything.

And that is my complaint. I wouldn't say anything if they were working, and working hard at it. They are not. They are doing NOTHING, and nothing has happened there for nearly half a year.

We should be furious about this, and doing all we can to damage The Villages' reputation because of this. We should be attempting to harm sales of Southside homes, because that is apparently all they care about.

Perhaps it is time to start picketing with signs the entrance to Chitty Chatty. Maybe that will get the attention of those who are ignoring the infrastructure of this area.

[Northwoods]

It does not help. Today was another day when nothing was done with Magnolia Plaza. Yesterday was another day when nothing was done. This week was another week when nothing was done. Last week was another week when nothing was done. This month was another month when nothing was done. Last month was another month when nothing was done.

The crickets have been chirping in Magnolia Plaza for the better part of half a year now. Half a freaking year! If the ball is not rolling, it's not getting closer to anything.

And that is my complaint. I wouldn't say anything if they were working, and working hard at it. They are not. They are doing NOTHING, and nothing has happened there for nearly half a year.

We should be furious about this, and doing all we can to damage The Villages' reputation because of this. We should be attempting to harm sales of Southside homes, because that is apparently all they care about.

Perhaps it is time to start picketing with signs the entrance to Chitty Chatty. Maybe that will get the attention of those who are ignoring the infrastructure of this area.

Wow. You're really angry.
Did you get those promises in writing from The Developer? Because if you did I would also be frustrated that they didn't happen. You probably have a good reason to protest.
If what you were told is from someone other than the Developer (and I don't think the salespeople are the voice of the Developer), then I think you have a tougher argument.
I think, eventually, everything you were "promised" will happen. Things just don't happen in the timeframe you want them to.
If that doesn't work for you... then I think maybe The Villages wasn't the right choice for you.
Don't be angry... find a place that makes you happy. Life is too short.

[KeithDB]

Wow. You're really angry.
Did you get those promises in writing from The Developer? Because if you did I would also be frustrated that they didn't happen. You probably have a good reason to protest.
If what you were told is from someone other than the Developer (and I don't think the salespeople are the voice of the Developer), then I think you have a tougher argument.
I think, eventually, everything you were "promised" will happen. Things just don't happen in the timeframe you want them to.
If that doesn't work for you... then I think maybe The Villages wasn't the right choice for you.
Don't be angry... find a place that makes you happy. Life is too short.

Nothing has happened for nearly six months. Address the facts.

You know what would make me happy, a nearby grocery store, a couple of restaurants, hell maybe something as humble as a freaking gas station.

Let me emphasize again, what ****es me off is that NOTHING IS HAPPENING. NOTHING. BEEN THAT WAY FOR MONTHS.

There is no reason we should be putting up with that, notwithstanding your little "be cool" stuff.

[graciegirl]

Nothing has happened for nearly six months. Address the facts.

You know what would make me happy, a nearby grocery store, a couple of restaurants, hell maybe something as humble as a freaking gas station.

Let me emphasize again, what ****es me off is that NOTHING IS HAPPENING. NOTHING. BEEN THAT WAY FOR MONTHS.

There is no reason we should be putting up with that, notwithstanding your little "be cool" stuff.

There is PLENTY that has happened in the last six months and in the last six weeks and the last six days. You need to drive the turnpike and realize lots of stuff is happening in the building of The Villages, construction for miles and miles and miles, both sides of the road...... Plus you can SEE the metal golf cart bridge ready to slide across when given permission to be put in.

The grocery store people, the gas station people and the restaurant people have to want to move here, have the money put aside to move here, have to want to come here. The developer builds buildings.

Magnolia Plaza has a grocery store coming, doesn't it??

[VApeople]

There is no reason we should be putting up with that

If you look at the huge number of resales in Fenny, I guess others share in your frustrations and have decided to leave.

[Two Bills]

Connectivity refers to golf cart connectivity, not automotive vehicles.

Err. I think that's what I said?

[dewilson58]

If you look at the huge number of resales in Fenny, I guess others share in your frustrations and have decided to leave.




Two e's in Fenney, no p in Sumter, Morris.............not.





:MOJE_whot:

[Goldwingnut]

If you look at the huge number of resales in Fenny, I guess others share in your frustrations and have decided to leave.

20 homes in Fenney for resales is hardly a huge number considering the size of the Fenney (1805 homes) and is just over 1%. This is on par with most other villages. Resales always take a spike up in the 12-36 month range after a village opens as people adjust home sizes, have a little buyers remorse, miss the children/grandchildren, and a number of other reasons for changes.

If the distance to shopping were truly an issue then the residents in Buttonwood and Pennecamp would be selling in "huge number"s also as their distance to the nearest shopping is about the same as those in the new sections. But they're not are they?

[dewilson58]

20 homes in Fenney for resales is hardly a huge number considering the size of the Fenney (1805 homes) and is just over 1%. This is on par with most other villages. Resales always take a spike up in the 12-36 month range after a village opens as people adjust home sizes, have a little buyers remorse, miss the children/grandchildren, and a number of other reasons for changes.

If the distance to shopping were truly an issue then the residents in Buttonwood and Pennecamp would be selling in "huge number"s also as their distance to the nearest shopping is about the same as those in the new sections. But they're not are they?




Agree. A few complainers attempting to create a large issue. The complainers should look in the mirror for fault.

[Goldwingnut]

It was my understanding (back when I was doing my due-diligence before buying) that when The Villages developers took over the development of the area of what is now called The Village of Fenney, it was already approved and ready for development. I can’t recall the original name, but it wasn’t “Fenney”. In any event, they clearly made a decision to continue to develop and that area was the quickest to market.

lt

The development was called Wildwood Springs and the Wildwood Springs CDD was established on September 13, 2011. Your logic for the out of sequence development is sound. Negotiations for acquisition of the developments of Southern Oaks, Cresswinds, Landstone, Renaissance Trails, and other were also in progress at the time. In this case, Wildwood Springs was the low hanging fruit that could be picked and sold.

[Goldwingnut]

Actually, the privately owned developer, once he has delivered the title to your home, owes you absolutely nothing.

Great, what next, are you going to start espousing the virtue of Personal Responsibility and self reliance? Or better yet, say someone should read the contract before they sign it? Such horrid concepts! :1rotfl:

[thelegges]

I would advise anyone ask me about by here down South to ask for promises related to infrastructure and connectivity in writing. And that's what we should be doing. Rather that complaining we should be warning new potential residents. If they start losing home sales in Chitty Chatty and other new areas because of this the problem will miraculous be solved.

Too late only a few lots in chitty chatty, as of this morning. Guess they aren’t worried about anything you are. Unless you personally are going to pay people not to buy, you have no shot at losing home sales. Am hoping you do not live alone, and that there is a difib in your house, and someone knows how to use it.

[coffeebean]

I cannot see the fuss about connectivity. All The Villages have always been connected.
The newer area just not by golf cart. Yet!
As previously pointed out, read post #107

My comment about "connectivity" refers to golf cart connectivity, not vehicular traffic. I honestly do not think folks mention "connectivity" when referring to vehicular traffic. It is always referred to golf cart traffic being able to be connected.

[Northwoods]

Nothing has happened for nearly six months. Address the facts.

You know what would make me happy, a nearby grocery store, a couple of restaurants, hell maybe something as humble as a freaking gas station.

Let me emphasize again, what ****es me off is that NOTHING IS HAPPENING. NOTHING. BEEN THAT WAY FOR MONTHS.

There is no reason we should be putting up with that, notwithstanding your little "be cool" stuff.

So you should have a good legal case. I'm assuming you have all those promises in writing.