Residents vs. Non-Residents

[Mjsmithx]

I recently had a very unpleasant conversation with a person that used to live in the villages and decided to move outside. However, this person continues to eat at the local country club restaurant and continues to play golf on the championship courses. Her reason for leaving was the amount of the amenity fees and the bond. Should we restrict access to the country clubs and the golf courses to the residents who pay for the upkeep of all of these facilities? I continue to be amazed by the people who want to be negative about the Villages but still chose to take part in what is offered. And before the negative comments roll in, I have been coming to the Villages since 1998 and have owned here for 8 years. Oh, and her reason for still coming here; she doesn't have those amenities where she chose to buy, even though she champions the lack of amenity fees she pays.

[manaboutown]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[photo1902]

I recently had a very unpleasant conversation with a person that used to live in the villages and decided to move outside. However, this person continues to eat at the local country club restaurant and continues to play golf on the championship courses. Her reason for leaving was the amount of the amenity fees and the bond. Should we restrict access to the country clubs and the golf courses to the residents who pay for the upkeep of all of these facilities? I continue to be amazed by the people who want to be negative about the Villages but still chose to take part in what is offered. And before the negative comments roll in, I have been coming to the Villages since 1998 and have owned here for 8 years. Oh, and her reason for still coming here; she doesn't have those amenities where she chose to buy, even though she champions the lack of amenity fees she pays.

OK. I'll play...you mean she wants to do what every single non-resident can do???

[Mjsmithx]

Apparently so, but the question is - should they be allowed to do so - or is it time to restrict access to Villages amenities to residents and their guests? And to clarify - by Resident, I mean people who actually own property here - regardless of whether they are residents of Florida.

[CWGUY]

I recently had a very unpleasant conversation with a person that used to live in the villages and decided to move outside. However, this person continues to eat at the local country club restaurant and continues to play golf on the championship courses. Her reason for leaving was the amount of the amenity fees and the bond. Should we restrict access to the country clubs and the golf courses to the residents who pay for the upkeep of all of these facilities? I continue to be amazed by the people who want to be negative about the Villages but still chose to take part in what is offered. And before the negative comments roll in, I have been coming to the Villages since 1998 and have owned here for 8 years. Oh, and her reason for still coming here; she doesn't have those amenities where she chose to buy, even though she champions the lack of amenity fees she pays.

:ohdear: Country club restaurants and golf courses are private businesses. I'm no fan of people who are negative about the Villages JUST AS I AM NO FAN OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A CLUE HOW THIS PLACE WORKS! :ho:

[CWGUY]

Apparently so, but the question is - should they be allowed to do so - or is it time to restrict access to Villages amenities to residents and their guests?

:ohdear: The CC restaurants and golf courses are NOT amenities! :oops:

[Mjsmithx]

I don't disagree with the point, they are private businesses. However, as residents we do pay for upkeep (golf cart paths, etc.) that outsiders do not.

[perrjojo]

We all pay to eat in the CC restaurants with no discount to residents. Non residents pay higher fees on the Championship courses.

[Mjsmithx]

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[Fredman]

If you limit access to the country clubs and golf courses i wonder if they could sustain once the snowbirds leave.

[graciegirl]

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Anyone can eat at the Country Club restaurants. You don't have to live here to dine at any of the Villages restaurants. You also can play golf at any of the Championship Golf Courses without living here. You can't play golf on a nine hole course, an executive course unless you live here or are a bonifide guest.

[Carla B]

Instead of getting upset, the OP ought to thank the person who moved outside for helping support the championship courses and the country clubs. And then learn what the amenity fees do support.

[CWGUY]

I don't disagree with the point, they are private businesses. However, as residents we do pay for upkeep (golf cart paths, etc.) that outsiders do not.

:ohdear: Sorry ..... when you find yourself in a hole - STOP digging! Golf cart paths are on the golf course and the owner pays for them. We pay for no upkeep on the C.C. courses. We drive around on the Multi-Modal Trails that we pay for. They give many free classes on how things operate in the Villages. They are listed in the paper and on the District Web Site. :ho:

[CWGUY]

Instead of getting upset, the OP ought to thank the person who moved outside for helping support the championship courses and the country clubs. And then learn what the amenity fees do support.

:coolsmiley:

[asianthree]

I recently had a very unpleasant conversation with a person that used to live in the villages and decided to move outside. However, this person continues to eat at the local country club restaurant and continues to play golf on the championship courses. Her reason for leaving was the amount of the amenity fees and the bond. Should we restrict access to the country clubs and the golf courses to the residents who pay for the upkeep of all of these facilities? I continue to be amazed by the people who want to be negative about the Villages but still chose to take part in what is offered. And before the negative comments roll in, I have been coming to the Villages since 1998 and have owned here for 8 years. Oh, and her reason for still coming here; she doesn't have those amenities where she chose to buy, even though she champions the lack of amenity fees she pays.

So in your world, anyone who has guests, family, do not belong here. Much less the developer who brings in thousands on lifestyle visits.

If you would like exclusivities, there are many privately owned golf communities that offer owner only in the club, and the courses. They can’t control any restaurants or shopping outside of their domain.

But it might be an area to look at. Our friends have a condo in Naples with just that exclusive rights. Selling for close to a million.

[ColdNoMore]

WOW...just WOW! :oops:


What's next, restrict those who are allowed to pay for the use of public businesses...based on their religion/gender/ethnicity/race/Etc? :ohdear:


WOW...just WOW! :oops:


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[Two Bills]

Does she use the mens resroom? :icon_wink:

[ColdNoMore]

Does she use the mens resroom? :icon_wink:

Just the ones marked..."Resident's Only." :D


Oh yeah, then there's those non-residents using the call button in the residents lane coming through the gates...AND IT SHOULD STOP IMMEDIATELY!! :mad:



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[Topspinmo]

I recently had a very unpleasant conversation with a person that used to live in the villages and decided to move outside. However, this person continues to eat at the local country club restaurant and continues to play golf on the championship courses. Her reason for leaving was the amount of the amenity fees and the bond. Should we restrict access to the country clubs and the golf courses to the residents who pay for the upkeep of all of these facilities? I continue to be amazed by the people who want to be negative about the Villages but still chose to take part in what is offered. And before the negative comments roll in, I have been coming to the Villages since 1998 and have owned here for 8 years. Oh, and her reason for still coming here; she doesn't have those amenities where she chose to buy, even though she champions the lack of amenity fees she pays.

Anybody can eat at developer's restaurant’s and play the developers restaurant and champion courses.

[mgkw1]

I recently had a very unpleasant conversation with a person that used to live in the villages and decided to move outside. However, this person continues to eat at the local country club restaurant and continues to play golf on the championship courses. Her reason for leaving was the amount of the amenity fees and the bond. Should we restrict access to the country clubs and the golf courses to the residents who pay for the upkeep of all of these facilities? I continue to be amazed by the people who want to be negative about the Villages but still chose to take part in what is offered. And before the negative comments roll in, I have been coming to the Villages since 1998 and have owned here for 8 years. Oh, and her reason for still coming here; she doesn't have those amenities where she chose to buy, even though she champions the lack of amenity fees she pays.
Non residents and guest pay a higher rate to play the Championship courses. On top of the fees they pay guest fees and high cart rental fees. When you meet them, smile because they are helping to keep your rates lower thank outside The Villages

[chickyboots]

I recently had a very unpleasant conversation with a person that used to live in the villages and decided to move outside. However, this person continues to eat at the local country club restaurant and continues to play golf on the championship courses. Her reason for leaving was the amount of the amenity fees and the bond. Should we restrict access to the country clubs and the golf courses to the residents who pay for the upkeep of all of these facilities? I continue to be amazed by the people who want to be negative about the Villages but still chose to take part in what is offered. And before the negative comments roll in, I have been coming to the Villages since 1998 and have owned here for 8 years. Oh, and her reason for still coming here; she doesn't have those amenities where she chose to buy, even though she champions the lack of amenity fees she pays.

Her very presence as a “Non-Resident” paying guest fees is a testament to our community’s amenities. We need the revenue of outsiders to keep our private businesses thriving.

[mykvalentin]

I recently had a very unpleasant conversation with a person that used to live in the villages and decided to move outside. However, this person continues to eat at the local country club restaurant and continues to play golf on the championship courses. Her reason for leaving was the amount of the amenity fees and the bond. Should we restrict access to the country clubs and the golf courses to the residents who pay for the upkeep of all of these facilities? I continue to be amazed by the people who want to be negative about the Villages but still chose to take part in what is offered. And before the negative comments roll in, I have been coming to the Villages since 1998 and have owned here for 8 years. Oh, and her reason for still coming here; she doesn't have those amenities where she chose to buy, even though she champions the lack of amenity fees she pays.
Restricting the Country Clubs and golf courses to residents only is not a good business decision and may result on higher fees for us residents. Also, for the most part, non-resident folks and visitors are friendly, positive and 99% of those non-residents I met wish or plan to move in The Villages. Please do not let a handful of unhappy people and few negative remarks change the way things are...
Thank you. -myk

[Bay Kid]

Life is short. Let's try to enjoy every minute.

[Dlbonivich]

The price to pay Championship golf is very high if you are not a priority member. I think the courses use profits to maintain. If you restrict her you also restrict your visitors from playing and eating in the country clubs. I do not want that.

[Danz654]

The thing is they do have the right to champion courses. As far as the restaurants and stores. We welcome the revenue

[ednetdl]

A somewhat related question, who pays for the entertainment at the squares?

[Ndomines]

A Stonecrest Realtor told me that use of the Villages Golf Cart Trails was easy. She said just get a friend who lives in THE VILLAGES to get an extra gate pass for you to use. I recently had a very unpleasant conversation with a person that used to live in the villages and decided to move outside. However, this person continues to eat at the local country club restaurant and continues to play golf on the championship courses. Her reason for leaving was the amount of the amenity fees and the bond. Should we restrict access to the country clubs and the golf courses to the residents who pay for the upkeep of all of these facilities? I continue to be amazed by the people who want to be negative about the Villages but still chose to take part in what is offered. And before the negative comments roll in, I have been coming to the Villages since 1998 and have owned here for 8 years. Oh, and her reason for still coming here; she doesn't have those amenities where she chose to buy, even though she champions the lack of amenity fees she pays.

[ts12755]

If she is willing to eat at country clubs and pay for championship courses thats fine...6 to 9 months a year they need the business.

[dmarti1973]

Gee whiz!! Really? If that same person lives in Lake County and drives to Sumter to play golf, should she be restricted from driving on Sumter County roads because she does not pay taxes in Sumter County?

[ChicagoNative]

Don’t kid yourselves about those of us outside the bubble not paying for things in your adult playground. Most of the municipalities where TV does business have been stacked with their hand-picked candidates for the various governing boards. This has resulted in the old cliche, “What the Villages wants, the Villages gets” and the taxpayer foots the bill.

If non-Villagers weren’t allowed to enjoy the entertainment on the squares, eat at the mostly mediocre restaurants, country clubs, or shop at the stores, I bet half the businesses would go under.

If I were a member of the Morse family dynasty that runs this place, I’d be more concerned about the future of golf itself. There are many reports out there about how it’s popularity has nosedived.

As TV aggressively expands into Leesburg, it’ll be very interesting to see what this community will look like in 10-15 years.

[ts12755]

The drinkers that buy drinks on the squares

[jarodrig]

A somewhat related question, who pays for the entertainment at the squares?

My understanding is that the businesses on the squares plus our tax dollars pay for the entertainment.

[Grill Meister]

You are correct.....non-residents are NOT allowed to play the executive golf courses, and if they want to play the championship courses, they must pay a higher non-resident greens fee.

[Davelinda91]

I’m confused 🤷*♀️ can I join, pay a yearly fee to a Country Club and golf on all Country Club courses in TV without owning a house?

[karostay]

It's a free world her choices have no impact on anyone other than to produce yet another babbling useless pointless post.

[Aw Man]

I’m confused 🤷*♀️ can I join, pay a yearly fee to a Country Club and golf on all Country Club courses in TV without owning a house?

No.
You must be a resident of The Villages in order to apply for Priority Membership.

Non Residents must pay a non-resident fee each and every time they play a championship course.

https://www.golfthevillages.com/images/priority-application.pdf

[waverly51]

I agree with you completely. Not fair to us Villagers!!!!

[bagboy]

My understanding is that the businesses on the squares plus our tax dollars pay for the entertainment.

Merchants and hospitality tax, not exactly "our" tax dollars.

[Lottoguy]

Championship golf courses need as many golfers they can get to help with the cost to maintain them. It's really that simple. When summer comes the lack of golfers is very evident, yet they still have to maintain the course. Same goes for the restaurants in The Villages.

[TandHSTAR@AOL.com]

Ah yes they leave but keep coming back. They cannot participate in any activities at any of the rec centers that is limited to residents only,other than playing golf on the 18 hole courses because they have to pay. So their complaint is thst yes their amenities are less than ours, and I very much doubt that, but they miss what we have. Yes they can eat at all thecrestaurants, shop atvall the stores and even enjoy the nightly entertainment at the squares. The nightly entertainment is not part if our amenities. Think about the over 2000 groups and clubs we have that they do not. Do you see they want their cake and eat it. Well it does not work that way. Let them stay where they are we will continue enjoying the lifestyle we have thattheybare envious of. You know what they say. You made your bed now lie in it.

[Wrhobson]

:ohdear: Country club restaurants and golf courses are private businesses. I'm no fan of people who are negative about the Villages JUST AS I AM NO FAN OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A CLUE HOW THIS PLACE WORKS! :ho:
And it is simply baffling why so many are so clueless about how the various amenities are truly funded.

[soniak4@gmail.com]

Couple of points for you to consider: Non-residents pay a higher fee to play golf on our Championship courses; residents do not pay less or more to eat at our country club restaurants and neither do non-residents; resident amenity fees do not pay for restaurant maintenance nor cart path and golf course maintenance; our amenity fees are NOT HIGH considering everything that is offered to us as residents; people who are not happy here, should move out as there are no shackles on their ankles; stop listening to negative people and they will stop running their mouths. That’s all. Go in peace.

[OhioBuckeye]

I recently had a very unpleasant conversation with a person that used to live in the villages and decided to move outside. However, this person continues to eat at the local country club restaurant and continues to play golf on the championship courses. Her reason for leaving was the amount of the amenity fees and the bond. Should we restrict access to the country clubs and the golf courses to the residents who pay for the upkeep of all of these facilities? I continue to be amazed by the people who want to be negative about the Villages but still chose to take part in what is offered. And before the negative comments roll in, I have been coming to the Villages since 1998 and have owned here for 8 years. Oh, and her reason for still coming here; she doesn't have those amenities where she chose to buy, even though she champions the lack of amenity fees she pays.
We moved out of TV too but it wasn’t because anything TV we’re doing, we wanted to be closer to our children, grandchildren & great grandchildren. Is your friend NUTS! She plays on Championship courses all the time? If she plays 3 times a week that pays her amenities. No way I would pay what TV want to play golf on Championship courses. I played almost all Executive courses, but I’m sure some people would like to debate my argument. She could play outside TV cheaper, to me I think there’s more to it than what she’s telling you. Besides I thought you had to have a guest pass or be a resident to play on those courses? Something sounds a little fishy about what she’s doing. I played a lot of pool & I know for a fact that when someone moved outside TV the were RED FLAGGED & they couldn’t even sneak in because some tried.

[erhrph]

I recently had a very unpleasant conversation with a person that used to live in the villages and decided to move outside. However, this person continues to eat at the local country club restaurant and continues to play golf on the championship courses. Her reason for leaving was the amount of the amenity fees and the bond. Should we restrict access to the country clubs and the golf courses to the residents who pay for the upkeep of all of these facilities? I continue to be amazed by the people who want to be negative about the Villages but still chose to take part in what is offered. And before the negative comments roll in, I have been coming to the Villages since 1998 and have owned here for 8 years. Oh, and her reason for still coming here; she doesn't have those amenities where she chose to buy, even though she champions the lack of amenity fees she pays.

If a non-villager wants to enjoy some of our amenities, the extra $$ that they have to pay should be a win for both sides of the argument. Keep in mind that any non-resident restrictions could create a hassle for our guests too. The continuous access of non-residents to our community can also help insure a perpetual increase in home values, as demand continues to grow for this exposure.

[JoMar]

I agree with you completely. Not fair to us Villagers!!!!

Assuming that is sarcasm :)

[NotGolfer]

I agree with you completely. Not fair to us Villagers!!!!

What's not fair?? Villagers often-times go to CC outside of T.V. to play golf and pay the rates there. So would that be not fair to the residents that live in those CC communities. Just asking!!

[PugMom]

Does she use the mens resroom? :icon_wink:

ahahahahahaaa! spit my coffee out on that 1!

[Aw Man]

We moved out of TV too but it wasn’t because anything TV we’re doing, we wanted to be closer to our children, grandchildren & great grandchildren. Is your friend NUTS! She plays on Championship courses all the time? If she plays 3 times a week that pays her amenities. No way I would pay what TV want to play golf on Championship courses. I played almost all Executive courses, but I’m sure some people would like to debate my argument. She could play outside TV cheaper, to me I think there’s more to it than what she’s telling you. Besides I thought you had to have a guest pass or be a resident to play on those courses? Something sounds a little fishy about what she’s doing. I played a lot of pool & I know for a fact that when someone moved outside TV the were RED FLAGGED & they couldn’t even sneak in because some tried.

Non-Residents can definitely play the Championship courses. They have to pay a non-resident fee that currently runs $20 more than a Resident Member Fee for a 18 hole round.

https://www.golfthevillages.com/images/Jan_Apr_2020.pdf

[rondvu2]

Although Town square music is not technically part of your amenity fee. It would not exist if it wasn't for us villagers paying our amenity fees as there would be no villages and no funding to do so. Its all good, just wish they knew which bathroom to use, including the pets! LOL We all got to go somewhere.

If I knew where the hell I was going, I would have been there by now!

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

Does she use the mens resroom? :icon_wink:

I was the last one to post in that thread. What did I say to make them close the thread?

[mjpuleo]

when a resident entertains family or guests that is a totally different situation; just strolling in from the outside to eat, play golf, etc., with no connection to anyone living in The Villages is a horse of a different color. They want to use "our benefits" free while we are paying for this beautiful lifestyle. on the other hand, would the restaurants and country clubs survive without the business of outsiders??? it's a hit or miss situation.

[manaboutown]

I was the last one to post in that thread. What did I say to make them close the thread?

That thread had run on and on in a written version of amoebic dysentery. It was time to close it and perhaps even wipe it clean.

[JSR22]

when a resident entertains family or guests that is a totally different situation; just strolling in from the outside to eat, play golf, etc., with no connection to anyone living in The Villages is a horse of a different color. They want to use "our benefits" free while we are paying for this beautiful lifestyle. on the other hand, would the restaurants and country clubs survive without the business of outsiders??? it's a hit or miss situation.

The restaurants on the golf courses are public restaurants. They are not Country Clubs. Non residents pay a higher green fee on the 18 hole courses than TV residents. They can not play on the exec courses.

[Polar Bear]

...TV residents. They can not play on the exec courses.
...

[karostay]

Hope Rialto Opens soon :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[Marathon Man]

when a resident entertains family or guests that is a totally different situation; just strolling in from the outside to eat, play golf, etc., with no connection to anyone living in The Villages is a horse of a different color. They want to use "our benefits" free while we are paying for this beautiful lifestyle. on the other hand, would the restaurants and country clubs survive without the business of outsiders??? it's a hit or miss situation.

Please go back and read all the posts. People are trying very hard to explain your mistaken thoughts. The residents are paying for nothing that outsiders can use.

[ColdNoMore]

when a resident entertains family or guests that is a totally different situation; just strolling in from the outside to eat, play golf, etc., with no connection to anyone living in The Villages is a horse of a different color. They want to use "our benefits" free while we are paying for this beautiful lifestyle. on the other hand, would the restaurants and country clubs survive without the business of outsiders??? it's a hit or miss situation.

No, it's not..."hit or miss."

It's not even a..."situation." :oops:

The public, ALL of the public, have the right to use public roads, to go to privately owned establishments that are open to the public...and spend their money.

NONE, ZIP, ZERO, NADA of your amenity money, goes toward helping any of these businesses or paying for the public roads/street lights/parking lots/Etc...to visit these establishments. :ohdear:

[BlueHeronFan]

The Villages Golf Carts actually rents those white numbered carts to non residents.
My wife works outside The Villages and co-workers have told her that they do it on a regular basis just to drive around.

[J1ceasar]

It was unpleasant because of your lack of understanding of what you bought into .

[Annie66]

Ok …. this question does not involve the topic, but I need to ask it. I'm relatively new to TOTV and other social media forums, but I see the following response in this post as well as others; "///". I have no idea what is trying to be conveyed. Can someone give me the definition? Thank you.

[coffeebean]

Ok …. this question does not involve the topic, but I need to ask it. I'm relatively new to TOTV and other social media forums, but I see the following response in this post as well as others; "///". I have no idea what is trying to be conveyed. Can someone give me the definition? Thank you.
This forum does not allow a poster to delete a post. A window pops up and says the post is too short or some such warning. /// is an easy way to delete a post and actually retain "text" in the post.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I don't disagree with the point, they are private businesses. However, as residents we do pay for upkeep (golf cart paths, etc.) that outsiders do not.

Non residents should not be able to use golf carts in The Villages. There may be a few that sneak on through the Orange Blossom gate but I would think that they are very few.

[noslices1]

The country clubs are open to anyone and if she wants to play golf, she has to pay a higher price and also a cart fee..

[Annie66]

This forum does not allow a poster to delete a post. A window pops up and says the post is too short or some such warning. /// is an easy way to delete a post and actually retain "text" in the post.

Thank you Coffeebean.

[SunnyHester]

I recently had a very unpleasant conversation with a person that used to live in the villages and decided to move outside. However, this person continues to eat at the local country club restaurant and continues to play golf on the championship courses. Her reason for leaving was the amount of the amenity fees and the bond. Should we restrict access to the country clubs and the golf courses to the residents who pay for the upkeep of all of these facilities? I continue to be amazed by the people who want to be negative about the Villages but still chose to take part in what is offered. And before the negative comments roll in, I have been coming to the Villages since 1998 and have owned here for 8 years. Oh, and her reason for still coming here; she doesn't have those amenities where she chose to buy, even though she champions the lack of amenity fees she pays.
I'm sorry for your negative experience. Not everyone chooses to live in The Villages. I appreciate those non-Villages residents paying a higher price to use our Championship courses. I'm sure all our resturants appreciate the extra business, too. Their support makes more options available for all of us. Without a resident ID or Guest Pass, access to the over 3,000 LifeStyle groups like State clubs, yoga, dance, art, music, sports, etc., are not possible. Use of any of our 80+ Recreational Centers with pools, billards, bocce ball, shuffleboard, corn hole toss, horse shoes, tennis, softball, pickleball, etc. are NOT permitted. So, it's OK with me and I appreciate their contrubution towards our economy!

[emtacba]

Smart person. Many many outsiders do that. Free country. No way to change or regulate it. Outsiders cannot use the pools but many many do anyway.
Anyone can sell and move just outside the bubble and continue to use almost all the amenities for free, thereby fleecing the Schwartz-Morse cartel. What a great country!

[Velvet]

One day recently at our neighborhood pool out of 20 at the pool, when they were checked, one person had a resident card besides me and I was in the water. Some were guests but not all. Next day when cards were checked again, much fewer nonresidents. The ones with no IDs, quickly jumped in the water.

[coffeebean]

Thank you Coffeebean.

Glad to help.

[DeafDeaf]

As The Villages resident, including the priority membership, it is VERY cost-effective to live inside The Villages and to pay at the priority membership fees, including your OWN golf cart. As a non-resident, you pay almost twice (the cost of the course fee plus the cart rental fee)! Also, much less time in traveling inside The Villages as compared to the frequent trips between The Villages and wherever they live!

:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_ whot::MOJE_whot:

[coffeebean]

Smart person. Many many outsiders do that. Free country. No way to change or regulate it. Outsiders cannot use the pools but many many do anyway.
Anyone can sell and move just outside the bubble and continue to use almost all the amenities for free, thereby fleecing the Schwartz-Morse cartel. What a great country!

Anyone who sells their The Villages home and moves outside of The Villages, no longer has a valid The Villages ID. Isn't the ID cancelled when the resident moves out of The Villages? Without a valid ID, non residents can not partake in all the amenities.
Non residents do sneak into our pools but can be caught when spot checks are done by checking IDs.

[Marathon Man]

Smart person. Many many outsiders do that. Free country. No way to change or regulate it. Outsiders cannot use the pools but many many do anyway.
Anyone can sell and move just outside the bubble and continue to use almost all the amenities for free, thereby fleecing the Schwartz-Morse cartel. What a great country!

This make zero sense. The "Schwartz-Morse cartel" is not affected by amenity use, either by residents or non-residents. They don't own the amenities.

[OhioBuckeye]

I recently had a very unpleasant conversation with a person that used to live in the villages and decided to move outside. However, this person continues to eat at the local country club restaurant and continues to play golf on the championship courses. Her reason for leaving was the amount of the amenity fees and the bond. Should we restrict access to the country clubs and the golf courses to the residents who pay for the upkeep of all of these facilities? I continue to be amazed by the people who want to be negative about the Villages but still chose to take part in what is offered. And before the negative comments roll in, I have been coming to the Villages since 1998 and have owned here for 8 years. Oh, and her reason for still coming here; she doesn't have those amenities where she chose to buy, even though she champions the lack of amenity fees she pays.
You know this person has someone in TV that's getting them a guest pass or they're paying a hell of a lot of money to play golf here. You have to live I think 40 miles from TV to even be a guest here. Besides wouldn't you think TV would get some RED FLAGS about them coming so much, TV must not screen people very often. This person could get a better deal playing outside the bubble, Championship courses here aren't cheap. Hope the person that's giving them illegal guest passes gets caught!

[golfing eagles]

One day recently at our neighborhood pool out of 20 at the pool, when they were checked, one person had a resident card besides me and I was in the water. Some were guests but not all. Next day when cards were checked again, much fewer nonresidents. The ones with no IDs, quickly jumped in the water.

Easy solution----make the people in the pool get out and show their IDs. Word will get around quickly, even quicker if they prosecute those people for trespassing.

[manaboutown]

One day recently at our neighborhood pool out of 20 at the pool, when they were checked, one person had a resident card besides me and I was in the water. Some were guests but not all. Next day when cards were checked again, much fewer nonresidents. The ones with no IDs, quickly jumped in the water.

I recently read of a stealth RVer, a senior age man who lives in an old motorhome which he parks on streets and in parking lots, who frequents the pools in TV. He jumps into the water to evade ID checks. He is surely not the only one.

ID checks need to be conducted randomly and thoroughly to be effective. I imagine that during the season people sneaking in from surrounding communities add considerably to the crowding.

[ALadysMom]

If a discount were given to Villagers would dine/shop locally and it would “tax” those who have not invested in our community. Since outsiders would incur an additional cost per transaction it would discourage spongers. This is how many country clubs operate elsewhere.

[ALadysMom]

Easy solution----make the people in the pool get out and show their IDs. Word will get around quickly, even quicker if they prosecute those people for trespassing.
Very logical. Thanks for posting! It’s refreshing to read a common sense solution.

[golfing eagles]

If a discount were given to Villagers would dine/shop locally and it would “tax” those who have not invested in our community. Since outsiders would incur an additional cost per transaction it would discourage spongers. This is how many country clubs operate elsewhere.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. "Outsiders" who dine and shop are paying customers not "spongers". Those that sneak into an amenity that we pay for are the "spongers", and should be prosecuted.

[asianthree]

I am always asked to get my Id, when I’m in the pool

[Marathon Man]

If a discount were given to Villagers would dine/shop locally and it would “tax” those who have not invested in our community. Since outsiders would incur an additional cost per transaction it would discourage spongers. This is how many country clubs operate elsewhere.

I do not agree that we should discourage non-residents from spending their cash in the restaurants, shops, etc. that exist within the boundaries of The Villages. It keeps those businesses going strong. Which means that they will be there when any of us wish to go to them.

[AOCMVA]

I recently had a very unpleasant conversation with a person that used to live in the villages and decided to move outside. However, this person continues to eat at the local country club restaurant and continues to play golf on the championship courses. Her reason for leaving was the amount of the amenity fees and the bond. Should we restrict access to the country clubs and the golf courses to the residents who pay for the upkeep of all of these facilities? I continue to be amazed by the people who want to be negative about the Villages but still chose to take part in what is offered. And before the negative comments roll in, I have been coming to the Villages since 1998 and have owned here for 8 years. Oh, and her reason for still coming here; she doesn't have those amenities where she chose to buy, even though she champions the lack of amenity fees she pays.


This is just a thought from me, someone who visits the Villages every year. I know what the memberships cost and also know what it cost for a non member to play at both Executive and Championship courses. I work at a membership course in Virginia and it's a semi private course meaning, members come play unlimited rounds for a certain annual price. Those non members who play pay the full rack price and this brings a significant income for the day to day operations of the course. I would imagine, if all being equal, those non residents who play, pay much more than the residents so that extra money would help support the course upkeep. This being said, I would imagine this would help keep your membership prices in check while contributing to the high cost of maintaining a golf course. Again, this is just my perspective from working at golf courses for a long time. If my answer does not apply, I apologize but thought I'd share my view as a course worker who's privy to $$ required to successfully operate a course. By the way, I love the Villages and everything that is offered. I've met some wonderful people and will keep coming until I finally purchase there.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I think that non-Villagers should be allowed to pay-to-play and should be allowed to eat in CC restaurants. However, they should have to don a vest that identifies them as outsiders so they can be looked upon with scorn and contempt. They should also have separate restrooms and water fountains.

[alwann]

If a discount were given to Villagers would dine/shop locally and it would “tax” those who have not invested in our community. Since outsiders would incur an additional cost per transaction it would discourage spongers. This is how many country clubs operate elsewhere.

There is a precedent for this, although a confusing one. Homeowners get a discount when showing their IDs at The Villages movie theaters. But then the owner lets everybody get in with a greater discount on Tuesdays.

[dillywho]

Maybe it's just me, but it seems that many came down a little too hard on the OP. You are all right about where the outsiders are concerned with the restaurants, championship courses, etc. We do need and appreciate them. I just don't see the need to berate someone for voicing a concern, whether valid or not. It sounds as if, even though not 100% correct, she was just trying to protect all of us.

That being said, I interpreted her post being that in her conversation, the other lady seemed to be referring to all the amenities in her argument. If that is the case, then the lady who moved away would be wrong about ALL the amenities she might be using and not paying our amenity fees. If the championship courses and country clubs were all she was referencing, then she is right about coming over to The Villages.

[dillywho]

I am always asked to get my Id, when I’m in the pool

Perhaps that has changed (I haven't been to the pool in ages), but it used to be common knowledge that people would not be asked to get out and show their Villages ID. If it has changed, that is great!

[Bogie Shooter]

If a discount were given to Villagers would dine/shop locally and it would “tax” those who have not invested in our community. Since outsiders would incur an additional cost per transaction it would discourage spongers. This is how many country clubs operate elsewhere.

This sounds like a can of worms...……………………….

[Bogie Shooter]

Perhaps that has changed (I haven't been to the pool in ages), but it used to be common knowledge that people would not be asked to get out and show their Villages ID. If it has changed, that is great!

How long are your ages?

[dewilson58]

I am always asked to get my Id, when I’m in the pool




That's because you look so young, you hottie!!




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[asianthree]

If a discount were given to Villagers would dine/shop locally and it would “tax” those who have not invested in our community. Since outsiders would incur an additional cost per transaction it would discourage spongers. This is how many country clubs operate elsewhere.

At true country clubs it’s members only, with a buy in amount, say $20,000, plus greens fees, ( a guest cost for 18 with caddy is $400.) plus need to spend $600 a month in the restaurant. There are no private country clubs in TV,

[bonrich]

Although Town square music is not technically part of your amenity fee. It would not exist if it wasn't for us villagers paying our amenity fees as there would be no villages and no funding to do so. Its all good, just wish they knew which bathroom to use, including the pets! LOL We all got to go somewhere.

If I kt.new where the hell I was going, I would have been there by now!

Your amenity fees do not pay for the entertainment in the Town Squares, the Business Association covers the cost.

[dewilson58]

Your amenity fees do not pay for the entertainment in the Town Squares, the Business Association covers the cost.




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Some posters just don't care about facts.

[Bogie Shooter]

Your amenity fees do not pay for the entertainment in the Town Squares, the Business Association covers the cost.

:bigbow:


Some posters just don't care about facts.
Or how many times this point was made in the previous 90 posts!

[dillywho]

How long are your ages?

Mine is 16 years, working on 17. Why is that important?

[Bogie Shooter]

Mine is 16 years, working on 17. Why is that important?
Things just might have changed in 16 years...………...

[Nana2five*]

I get what the original poster is saying .. have had a home for 3 1/2 years still trying to go full time. We pay for the amenities and “lifestyle”. Look around the place is so well kept. I think the point of frustration is people that have moved out fine. But stop complaining about what you paid for. One long van ride with a man and all he did was complain about everything I wanted to say move. But he would compare to other place (Top of the World). I know nothing about and then would say what they lack compared to The Villages. Just go already. Enjoy what you have or leave .... if that’s all the problems you have. Feel lucky...

[AOCMVA]

You're silly! So, villagers should where a vest when outside the bubble so everyone knows that's where they're from? Really??

[pauld315]

Although Town square music is not technically part of your amenity fee. It would not exist if it wasn't for us villagers paying our amenity fees as there would be no villages and no funding to do so. Its all good, just wish they knew which bathroom to use, including the pets! LOL We all got to go somewhere.

If I knew where the hell I was going, I would have been there by now!

That is like saying there would be no businesses anywhere if there weren't residents to support them.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

That is like saying there would be no businesses anywhere if there weren't residents to support them.

That's actually somewhat true. Las Vegas wouldn't attract the millions of visitors every year, if there were no residents to work in the casinos.

New York City wouldn't prosper if no one actually lived in NYC.

The Villages entertainment would never even have existed in the first place, if the Villages, the community of residents, turned out to be a failure.

[Kerry Azz]

To funny sometimes reading the ridiculous comments made by some people here, this is by no means a private property nor a gated community! Stop whining and enjoy your retirement. I own and live here and I’m sure the influx of money helps support a lot of what most seem to enjoy.