What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic.

[jacksonbrown]

Date: February 26, 2020 at 2:35:50 PM EST
Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic.

Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.

The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.

Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:

1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.
3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.
4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.
5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.
6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.
7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!

What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:

1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.

Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.

2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.

3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.

4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.

I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.

I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us!

Jim

James Robb, MD FCAP

[anothersteve]

And don't forget the milk, bread and eggs!
Steve

[tophcfa]

I have been drinking a couple of coranas every day to build up my immunity. And for good measure I have been putting a lime wedge in each beer to build up my resistance to Lyme disease.

[JimJohnson]

Seems a lot of trouble for what both our President and Vice President says is very low risk.

[ColdNoMore]

I have been drinking a couple of coranas every day to build up my immunity. And for good measure I have been putting a lime wedge in each beer to build up my resistance to Lyme disease.

I don't care who you are...THAT'S funny! :1rotfl:...:1rotfl:...:1rotfl:

[Villageswimmer]

Thank you, OP, for your informative post.

[Bogie Shooter]

Seems a lot of trouble for what both our President and Vice President says is very low risk.

The experts. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[ColdNoMore]

The experts. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Science and facts...are apparently overrated for some. :oops:

[blueash]

The OP did not write his posting. He is not Dr Robb, if that isn't obvious. Dr. Robb wrote an email to his own family not intended for public dissemination. But that's not how social media works and someone posted it. Snopes.com has a discussion of the controversial part of the email regarding zinc. Dr Robb in his reply to snopes clarified that section.

In my experience as a virologist and pathologist, zinc will inhibit the replication of many viruses, including coronaviruses. I expect COVID-19 [the disease caused by the novel coronavirus] will be inhibited similarly, but I have no direct experimental support for this claim. I must add, however, that using zinc lozenges as directed by the manufacturer is no guarantee against being infected by the virus, even if it inhibits the viral replication in the nasopharynx.

You will find that there are conflicting data on clinical efficacy of zinc lozenges in respiratory viruses. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136969/) Keep in mind that the overwhelming number of colds are not caused by coronavirus but rather by rhinovirus. I couldn't find any data looking at coronavirus respiratory illness and zinc lozenges. Note that Dr Robb wrote "IF it inhibits" rather than "even though it inhibits" which to my reading means he has no idea if coronavirus is at all sensitive to zinc lozenges in sick patients.

[manaboutown]

Anyone booking a $99 airfare to Hawaii? Airlines are getting desperate. I just tried put in a link to the deal but it came up "access denied".

[rustyp]

I switched to Coors

[ColdNoMore]

I switched to Coors.

I have a buddy who swears by...and only drinks Coors.

One time on a fishing trip...I peed in his almost full beer bottle.

He didn't even notice a difference. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:









j/k of course.




He noticed...after he finished the bottle. :1rotfl:

[RedChariot]

Seems a lot of trouble for what both our President and Vice President says is very low risk.

And you believe them???? :1rotfl:

[Bogie Shooter]

Note to self. Never go fishing with ColdNoMore…………………………………� ��.

[Bucco]

And you believe them???? :1rotfl:

Find another source........just today

....stories about how the US is now the #1 energy producer but didn't used to be (it took the top spot in 2012), how Hillary said the deal with South Korea would produce 250K jobs (she never said that), how there used to be "$500B a year deficits" with China (never).

How CAN you believe ?

Find a source who cares

[billethkid]

Date: February 26, 2020 at 2:35:50 PM EST
Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic.

Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.

The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.

Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:

1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.
3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.
4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.
5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.
6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.
7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!

What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:

1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.

Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.

2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.

3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.

4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.

I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.

I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us!

Jim

James Robb, MD FCAP

There seem to be a fair number of cautions regarding zinc use, side effects,etc.
Could you comment on lozenges and recommended use?

[Bucco]

Seems a lot of trouble for what both our President and Vice President says is very low risk.

Just an overblown hoax

[Rapscallion St Croix]

1. I am washing my hands like I have to put contacts in and I just ate crawfish.
2. I quit popping bubble wrap because the air in them is from China.

[ColdNoMore]

1. I am washing my hands like I have to put contacts in and I just ate crawfish.
2. I quit popping bubble wrap because the air in them is from China.

I just saw that on one of my Louisiana cousin's...Facebook page.

I sure hope...we're not related. :oops:




;)

[Velvet]

Thank you OP for a well thought out and helpful post. Many of the suggestions in your post are not hard to do. With the new information we have today about what is happening in the US with this virus, a bit of care is prudent.

[Tinanurse59]

Thank you, Dr Robb, that is the best and most helpful advice I have read for lay people in preventing almost any type of viral infection!
Kudos to you for taking the time to help others stay well... and help keep us well😊

[chickyboots]

I would be cautious still. These are good practices for any flu season.

[GaryKoca]

For the past couple of years, whenever I am in a public restroom with a door, I grab a paper towel and open the door with the paper towel, then discard it. In case they use air dryers, I carry a couple of kleenexes and open it that way.

[IUFAN]

So basically this is to be treated as the same as the FLU. Well we have been thru swine flu, bird flu and others. Treat it the same and just be careful.

[elainewalker111]

Thank you for sharing!

[IUFAN]

A public health issue like the Coronavirus should unite political leaders and the media behind helping Americans stay safe and informed. Unfortunately, “many members of our corporate press only see the public health crisis as another opportunity to attack the president.” Madeline Osburn sets the record straight in The Federalist.

[RosemarySoso]

Good reminders. Thank you

[Dianalea]

Wow, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts/knowledge on this subject!

[Zaharoff@aol.com]

Thank you so much for sharing your information very helpful.

[rlcooper70]

If you want to believe that the president knows more than the CDC then that's your choice. However, it is more likely that the professor (above) is more knowledgeable.

[golfing eagles]

If you want to believe that the president knows more than the CDC then that's your choice. However, it is more likely that the professor (above) is more knowledgeable.

The president's job is NOT to be an expert virologist. His job is to provide leadership in a crisis. Whether or not he is doing this is up to each individual to decide. We all know the media has already decided, but we all will get a vote in November.

[ts12755]

Good stuff... Thanks

[Jeanette.U]

Thanks for the info!

[sktb888]

Seems a lot of trouble for what both our President and Vice President says is very low risk.

They are hoping it kills more Dems 😉😆

[Biggles]

I switched to Coors
Budweiser 'The King of Beers' :boxing2:

[greenflash245]

there is a wise ass in every crowd!

[Kerlampert]

Good recommendations. For personal protection.
We will soon know how important these precautions are and I would add that our exposure in public gatherings will also be tested.

[HelenLCSW]

Thank you, Jim💛

[Yukon9]

Is your 'president' or 'vice president' medical professionals? You might want to listen to what that epidemiologist has to say.

[Annie66]

Ok kiddies ….. let's watch out for that political rancor. Keep it nice my friends. We have enough other sources to vent our anger.

[cbmerl]

Thank you, Jacksonbrown for sharing this COVID 19 important information. There were several things mentioned that I would not have thought of. Good info for all!

[eeroger]

THIS IS FALSE INFORMATION! The surgeon general says - to not stock up on masks AND Zince Lozenges have proven not to do anything re: cold viruses. People should check validity of information before posting!

See SNOPES.

Date: February 26, 2020 at 2:35:50 PM EST
Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic.

Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.

The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.

Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:

1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.
3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.
4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.
5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.
6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.
7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!

What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:

1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.

Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.

2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.

3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.

4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.

I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.

I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us!

Jim

James Robb, MD FCAP

[thelegges]

Am I worried. NO, it’s a big deal, until the next virus comes along. But if you have stock in medical supplies bonus

[seoulbrooks]

Dr. Drew: Media-driven panic over coronavirus is a bigger problem than the virus | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-drew-media-panic-about-coronavirus-is-more-problematic-than-the-contagion?fbclid=IwAR2YmnKa7a8RPUKwL8bDBkYolHejZCH QYxcr9a3H9_7liSD5FQrZTFnafFM)

[billethkid]

Dr. Drew: Media-driven panic over coronavirus is a bigger problem than the virus | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-drew-media-panic-about-coronavirus-is-more-problematic-than-the-contagion?fbclid=IwAR2YmnKa7a8RPUKwL8bDBkYolHejZCH QYxcr9a3H9_7liSD5FQrZTFnafFM)

I 100% agree.
Very likely an agenda item aimed at disrupting the economy toward some hopeful political advantage/leverage.

[Bogie Shooter]

there is a wise ass in every crowd!

Which one are you referring to?

[Barefoot]

---

[ColdNoMore]

---


Smart lady. :D

[ColdNoMore]

Which one are you referring to?

I was hoping the reference was to me, but it will probably be meant for...you again. :(




:D

[jswirs]

i have been drinking a couple of coranas every day to build up my immunity. And for good measure i have been putting a lime wedge in each beer to build up my resistance to lyme disease.
rotflamo!!!!!

[jebartle]

The president's job is NOT to be an expert virologist. His job is to provide leadership in a crisis. Whether or not he is doing this is up to each individual to decide. We all know the media has already decided, but we all will get a vote in November.

Hmmmm! Leadership??????

[golfing eagles]

Hmmmm! Leadership??????

Up to you to decide

[Bucco]

/////

[Two Bills]

The most useful thing people can do is not panic.
In Australia people are panic buying toilet tissue, and yet there is no shortage!
This is called FOMO syndrome - or Fear Of Missing Out.
Started online and has become a total fiasco.
Next it will be canned food and bottled water then anything left on the shelves!
Yet not one of the panic purhased items will stave off the virus.
The human body can survive 2-3 weeks without food, but just days without water, less if unwell and with a fever.
Personal hygiene is the best method of defense.
If the condition got so bad to prevent water from flowing from the tap then you may be in trouble.
The best solution then, would then be to sit in a crouched position. put your head between your knees, and kiss your a*** goodbye!!
Until then relax and enjoy the day.

[manaboutown]

I 100% agree.
Very likely an agenda item aimed at disrupting the economy toward some hopeful political advantage/leverage.

Yep! And the mainstream press is trying to panic the public.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

The most useful thing people can do is not panic.
In Australia people are panic buying toilet tissue, and yet there is no shortage!
This is called FOMO syndrome - or Fear Of Missing Out.
Started online and has become a total fiasco.
Next it will be canned food and bottled water then anything left on the shelves!
Yet not one of the panic purhased items will stave off the virus.
The human body can survive 2-3 weeks without food, but just days without water, less if unwell and with a fever.
Personal hygiene is the best method of defense.
If the condition got so bad to prevent water from flowing from the tap then you may be in trouble.
The best solution then, would then be to sit in a crouched position. put your head between your knees, and kiss your a*** goodbye!!
Until then relax and enjoy the day.

My brother bought bicycles in preparation for Y2K.

[twoplanekid]

I received these two notices from the District office ->

Several of you have requested stock information in a pictorial format for use in your communication products with residents. Please find attached herewith the Sumter County recommended information for COVID-19. In addition, members of my senior staff, public safety and myself participated in a teleconference today with the medical team working with Sumter County Health Department Director, Dr. Zelnick. He reaffirmed that the cleaning procedures of the District were in keeping with recommended standards for this virus and affirmed that COVID-19 questions should be directed to the hot-line set up by the Florida Department of Health ph 866-799-6121. The hot-line is staffed Monday through Friday from 8am to 7pm.

basic - cover mouth when coughing, washing hands and stay at home when sick

and to the NSCUDD board ->

Thanks for hosting the emergency preparedness meeting today to discuss the District’s and Jacobs plan to provide uninterrupted utility services in the event of a major outbreak of the Coronavirus in our area. As pointed out in the update you shared with us from SCDH, the number one thing the public can do to help minimize the spread of the coronavirus is to wash their hands often.

Jacobs has a site specific Emergency Preparedness Plan (EPP) in place for these types of events. These plans are reviewed and updated on an annual basis, and as new situations arise. These plans are also reviewed by all staff annually and mock drills are performed to ensure staff are able to carry out their duties.

Jacobs has sufficient operating staff to cover both the potable water and wastewater operations in the event employees become sick.

Rock Raiford
Program Director | OM Services
Jacobs

[golfing eagles]

Looks like it's time to add a little more rational perspective to this.

In an average year, according to the CDC, there are 36,000 US deaths and 500,000 worldwide deaths from influenza.
Coronavirus---US deaths = 9, all in the same adult facility in Washington State
Worldwide---?2-3000 depending on accuracy of Chinese statistics.

So, CNN, MSNBC, ABC etc., no, chicken little the sky is not falling

Also, I'm amazed the same people who are clamoring for an instant vaccine are probably the same ones that pass on their yearly flu shot

[Bucco]

Yep! And the mainstream press is trying to panic the public.

What twisted logic and reality.

[ColdNoMore]

Aww, who cares if it's safe? :oops:

I say let the one whining the most, get the first shot...next week.

If there are some weird personality side effects...how could anyone tell anyway? :D

[CFrance]

Looks like it's time to add a little more rational perspective to this.

In an average year, according to the CDC, there are 36,000 US deaths and 500,000 worldwide deaths from influenza.
Coronavirus---US deaths = 9, all in the same adult facility in Washington State
Worldwide---?2-3000 depending on accuracy of Chinese statistics.

So, CNN, MSNBC, ABC etc., no, chicken little the sky is not falling

Also, I'm amazed the same people who are clamoring for an instant vaccine are probably the same ones that pass on their yearly flu shot
But there are a helluva lot more flu cases than covid-19 cases.

[golfing eagles]

But there are a helluva lot more flu cases than covid-19 cases.

So far, anyway.

To rephrase it in mortality rates, the best estimates for coronavirus mortality is slightly less than 1%, mostly in the over 60 crowd
The mortality rate for seasonal influenza runs about 0.1%.
But these are just the early returns

[retiredguy123]

Now watching another boring Coronavirus news briefing by VP Mike Pence. Why does it have to preempt regular TV programs on all TV channels? They just told me to wash my hands again, and to not wear a mask. I'm not wearing a mask, but I think that wearing one while travelling would help you to prevent yourself from touching a contaminated surface and then touching your mouth. Why doesn't that make sense?

[anothersteve]

Damned if they do............damned if they don't
Steve

[golfing eagles]

Damned if they do............damned if they don't
Steve

You got that right!

For all the critics out there, the administration is doing EXACTLY what they should:
Behind the scenes, they put together a panel of experts, working with state health departments, positioning supplies, enacting reasonable travel bans and funding vaccine research.

On the public side, they are telling people not to panic, wait and see, publishing reasonable infection control procedures and to listen to the CDC and state health authorities.

What would you like the president to say? I'm not talking Trump, but ANY president----Obama, JFK, or God forbid a president Sanders---Everyone panic, sell all your stocks, fill your garage floor to ceiling with "supplies", stay at home and don't go to any stores or entertainment events because this is the end of civilization as we know it? Would that make the critics happy?????(Probably still wouldn't make the media happy)

[Barefoot]

***

[golfing eagles]

[SIZE="3"]I'm really rooting for you to be correct...at least once. :D
:1rotfl:...:1rotfl:...:1rotfl:


Well, I can't be constantly wrong---sooner or later I'll screw up and get something right by accident:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[CFrance]

You got that right!

For all the critics out there, the administration is doing EXACTLY what they should:
Behind the scenes, they put together a panel of experts, working with state health departments, positioning supplies, enacting reasonable travel bans and funding vaccine research.

On the public side, they are telling people not to panic, wait and see, publishing reasonable infection control procedures and to listen to the CDC and state health authorities.

What would you like the president to say? I'm not talking Trump, but ANY president----Obama, JFK, or God forbid a president Sanders---Everyone panic, sell all your stocks, fill your garage floor to ceiling with "supplies", stay at home and don't go to any stores or entertainment events because this is the end of civilization as we know it? Would that make the critics happy?????(Probably still wouldn't make the media happy)
Serious question... who are these experts? I've been all over the internet and can't find any names. How do you know this?

[manaboutown]

I am not accepting any wooden nickels. WHO: Contaminated Cash May Help Spread Coronavirus (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/04/who-contaminated-cash-may-help-spread-coronavirus-deadly-disease-can-be-contained/?fbclid=IwAR0JfYron3GxB73K-9GT0b33g1TjhsfYHxdvBXnjXq2xLlM4YvvMZflN2qo)

[golfing eagles]

Serious question... who are these experts? I've been all over the internet and can't find any names. How do you know this?

Start with Dr. Antony Fauci. He's been at NIH for decades, authored quite a few articles, wrote chapters in Harrison's, which is the gold standard of medical textbooks. Never met him, but know him by reputation quite well.
Then there's Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the CDC

President Trump Establishes Coronavirus Response Task Force – Headed by HHS Secretary Alex Azar… | The Last Refuge (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/01/30/president-trump-establishes-coronavirus-response-task-force-headed-by-hhs-secretary-alex-azar/)

[anothersteve]

Start with Dr. Antony Fauci. He's been at NIH for decades, authored quite a few articles, wrote chapters in Harrison's, which is the gold standard of medical textbooks. Never met him, but know him by reputation quite well.
Then there's Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the CDC

President Trump Establishes Coronavirus Response Task Force – Headed by HHS Secretary Alex Azar… | The Last Refuge (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/01/30/president-trump-establishes-coronavirus-response-task-force-headed-by-hhs-secretary-alex-azar/)

Hmmm...facts??
Steve

[golfing eagles]

Hmmm...facts??
Steve

I don't understand the question

It was asked, who are the experts?

Answer---Fauci and Redfield---those are the facts

[anothersteve]

I don't understand the question

It was asked, who are the experts?

Answer---Fauci and Redfield---those are the facts

I get it man, that was a bit of sarcasm to those that thrive on "facts"

Steve

[PugMom]

& toilet paper!

[PugMom]

And don't forget the milk, bread and eggs!
Steve

& the toilet paper!

[golfing eagles]

I get it man, that was a bit of sarcasm to those that thrive on "facts"

Steve

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[KLBNJ]

Thank you James.

[ColdNoMore]

I get it man, that was a bit of sarcasm to those that thrive on "facts"

Steve

Versus "thriving on lies?" :ohdear:

I'll take the former. :ho:

[Darlene Lansing]

Thank you Jim ‼️😇

[DeanFL]

good idea>

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The most useful thing people can do is not panic.
In Australia people are panic buying toilet tissue, and yet there is no shortage!
This is called FOMO syndrome - or Fear Of Missing Out.
Started online and has become a total fiasco.
Next it will be canned food and bottled water then anything left on the shelves!
Yet not one of the panic purhased items will stave off the virus.
The human body can survive 2-3 weeks without food, but just days without water, less if unwell and with a fever.
Personal hygiene is the best method of defense.
If the condition got so bad to prevent water from flowing from the tap then you may be in trouble.
The best solution then, would then be to sit in a crouched position. put your head between your knees, and kiss your a*** goodbye!!
Until then relax and enjoy the day.

Aldi's already started rationing cases of water - limit 2 per customer.

Publix had no more surface disinfectant wipes on the shelves, and was out of hand sanitizer two days ago with back-order still not delivered as of yesterday.

CVS had no alcohol prep pads available - which is a REALLY bad thing for people who actually need them for medical purposes.

Thankfully there's still bleach and bottles of rubbing alcohol around. I already had 2 boxes of nitrile surgical gloves from a year ago but I use them to grip things since I don't have enough oil on my fingertips for traction.

A recipe for your own hand sanitizer:

Get the strongest % of rubbing alcohol you can find at the pharmacy (usually comes in 2 varieties).
Get a bottle of pure aloe vera gel (not stuff that contains AV - I mean 100% pure AV with nothing else in it) at the vitamin shoppe or other supplement store. Also don't get juice. You need gel.
A hand-pump bottle.

Make a blend of 60-65% rubbing alcohol to 30-35% aloe vera gel. Stir well in a bowl then funnel into the hand pump.

You can add a couple of drops of pure essential oil to make it smell better - eucalyptus, cajeput, or wintergreen will be more useful for decongesting if you happen to be feeling a bit stuffed up while using the hand sanitizer (inhaling the fumes - do NOT put this on your face!). Lavender for an all-purpose nice smell. Bergamot and sandalwood (if you can find the real deal) can combine to make something that actually resembles a very light cologne.

[Bethwill]

And toilet paper!

[Nucky]

Did I miss then mention of the Corona Virus in Post #105. Stop wasting our time with such posts. I'm on here trying to find out information that may save me or a member of my family or a friend from this possible beast. Instead of all this other Non-Sense that is posted.

[tophcfa]

Did I miss then mention of the Corona Virus in Post #105. Stop wasting our time with such posts. I'm on here trying to find out information that may save me or a member of my family or a friend from this possible beast. Instead of all this other Non-Sense that is posted.

I read a good article that had some very good advise. It said there is no need for most people to waste their time washing their hands when the first thing they do after the hand washing is grab their germ infested smartphone.

[jacksonbrown]

‘Contagion,’ Steven Soderbergh’s 2011 Thriller, Is Climbing Up the Charts - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/business/media/coronavirus-contagion-movie.html)

[ColdNoMore]

Yep. :oops:

[Bucco]

Did I miss then mention of the Corona Virus in Post #105. Stop wasting our time with such posts. I'm on here trying to find out information that may save me or a member of my family or a friend from this possible beast. Instead of all this other Non-Sense that is posted.

Understood.

People are afraid...whether justified or not, but those we rely on to keep us informed change their tune from evening news to the Hannity Show.

Best antidote to fear is TRUTH

[golfing eagles]

Understood.

People are afraid...whether justified or not, but those we rely on to keep us informed change their tune from evening news to the Hannity Show.

Best antidote to fear is TRUTH

evening news = a joke
Hannity = a joke

Please listen to the CDC and the Florida Dept. of Health

[graciegirl]

I am waiting to see. I/we always wash our hands when coming back to the house after a trip to shop or do anything.

Today I am going to buy some hand sanitizer which I have never used before. I continue to go to all four of the activities I do every week and Helene goes too and Henry plays eighteen holes every week, four days...…..

If there is a confirmed case here or nearby, I will hope all three of us will listen to the mother command to shelter in place, but I am afraid the golfer will still continue to golf.

We will listen to the skilled medical people and follow their advice.

This thread has become another political one and there isn't a virus in the world who gives a crap how you vote.

[Two Bills]

I am waiting to see. I/we always wash our hands when coming back to the house after a trip to shop or do anything.

Today I am going to buy some hand sanitizer which I have never used before. I continue to go to all four of the activities I do every week and Helene goes too and Henry plays eighteen holes every week, four days...…..

If there is a confirmed case here or nearby, I will hope all three of us will listen to the mother command to shelter in place, but I am afraid the golfer will still continue to golf.

We will listen to the skilled medical people and follow their advice.

This thread has become another political one and there isn't a virus in the world who gives a crap how you vote.

I would have thought Miss Gianna Miceli would have posted by now with a cure for the virus!!:icon_wink:

[golfing eagles]

I would have thought Miss Gianna Miceli would have posted by now with a cure for the virus!!:icon_wink:

Probably will-----zinc lozenges and colon cleanse:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bucco]

I am waiting to see. I/we always wash our hands when coming back to the house after a trip to shop or do anything.

Today I am going to buy some hand sanitizer which I have never used before. I continue to go to all four of the activities I do every week and Helene goes too and Henry plays eighteen holes every week, four days...…..

If there is a confirmed case here or nearby, I will hope all three of us will listen to the mother command to shelter in place, but I am afraid the golfer will still continue to golf.

We will listen to the skilled medical people and follow their advice.

This thread has become another political one and there isn't a virus in the world who gives a crap how you vote.

Let me explain, as you try to twist the narrative (again)

Your planned actions are sound and reasonable. Your "implication" that people are panicking is wrong...although in certain areas I am sure there is actual dread.

Fear of the unknown is a real fear, whether if affects you or not.

Only solution to this is FACTS

Nobody expects POTUS to cure any virus, or do anything other than insure American public is well informed.

IT IS expected of any POTUS not to speculate OR share "hunches",

Yesterday, he went from factual information from those who know until he got on Hannity. Then he said things that made no sense and were simply political, far from any fact.

Then today, despite videos playing, he says he did not say what we saw him say on the video.

Not a confidant feeling, but simply a feeling of being used, in my opinion, again.

I have no idea of how real or serious this is, but companies around the globe feel it is (unless they are in a conspiracy as is claimed on certain networks) and when we have faced these kind of issues in the past, we looked one place for resolve. We still look there, but the words coming to us are not true, not comforting nor reassuring. So, in that sense, it is political.

[twoplanekid]

In talking with my son who works for a high end cloud computing sales firm, he is now restricted in his travels to his based city and must not travel to other cities to visit clients per company leadership decree. He claims that other companies are also implementing travel restrictions.

[tophcfa]

In talking with my son who works for a high end cloud computing sales firm, he is now restricted in his travels to his based city and must not travel to other cities to visit clients per company leadership decree. He claims that other companies are also implementing travel restrictions.

My biggest fear regarding the virus is that Jetblue and Southwest will cancel upcoming flights to Orlando from Bradley Airport and we won't be able to get back down to the Villages. That would put a serious damper on our near term lifestyle quality.

[graciegirl]

Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS (https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)

[Bucco]

Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS (https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)

Excellent choice. It appears accurate and is updated often.

Been checking this each morning and sometimes the results are sobering.

[Bucco]

In talking with my son who works for a high end cloud computing sales firm, he is now restricted in his travels to his based city and must not travel to other cities to visit clients per company leadership decree. He claims that other companies are also implementing travel restrictions.

That is probably a smart idea, especially given the industry where much can be done online.

Especially because the experts seem unsure as to how it is spread exactly.

Transmission of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission.html)

Biggest statement is this "COVID-19 is a new disease and we are still learning how it spreads, the severity of illness it causes, and to what extent it may spread in the United States"

I have read so many theories, it becomes confusing. We need to test and backtrack quickly.

Hoping this is a "nothing burger" but so many smart people seem very concerned and I think once they know HOW it is spread or able to at least make an intelligent guess, it is better to err on the side of safety.

[manaboutown]

Probably will-----zinc lozenges and colon cleanse:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Nutty Professor Colon Cleansing - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX0Djak2bwI)

[ColdNoMore]

Nutty Professor Colon Cleansing - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX0Djak2bwI)

I'm personally ambivalent...about a colon cleanse.

I'm thinking maybe I might start a little slower and go for a... ; cleanse.


:D

[billethkid]

Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS (https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)

Excellent accumulation and presentation.
Another good presentation for comparison would be to have such a site for the flu information.

[Bucco]

Excellent accumulation and presentation.
Another good presentation for comparison would be to have such a site for the flu information.

Wouldn't you need then to integrate testing as part of the flu scenario ?

N o case is relegated to Corona until they test positive, and we have individual choice on whether to get a shot.

But here are two sites , if you want.

Weekly US Map: Influenza Summary Update | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm)

Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm)

And a third...

http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/flu-rates-by-state/

[CFrance]

While I understand, I believe that the misinformation from our government, is in fact, part of the story. It is shocking what American citizens will tolerate in misinformation even when , as you know from your resources, can be damaging.

Hope someone will share a personal story to help.
Here's my personal story. We went to Australia Feb. 2 to 18. Feb 20 I came down with what I thought was the typical "airplane cold." Due to change of plans I was seated between two strangers, one with a face mask. (Normally my husband and I sit next to each other in a row with only two seats.)


Today, almost three weeks later, the "cold" did not go away, and a low grade fever had arrived every afternoon (at the typical fever spike time), and I had been sleeping sitting up because of sinus drainage and cough. My pcp couldn't see me, so I went to the 441 Urgent Care Center on Powel Road & 44.


No flu swab (I've had a flu shot, but they didn't ask), no question about where I had traveled (four places in Aus plus Los Angeles and MCO), and even though I had all symptoms typical of covid-19, no test for that, nor was covid ever mentioned. Before you ask, no, I didn't speak up. I was feeling poorly and just wanted to get out of there.


I was diagnosed with bronchitis (I've never had ever) and sinusitis and given scripts for Zyrtec and prednisone and sent on my way. I hope they are right.


The doctor said Are you wheezing. I said No, and he said "I hear you wheezing, and it's an insurance thing, I have to hear you complain of wheezing."



Off topic, I'm thinking maybe we should have stuck with the first doctor, whom we loved, paid the $1k and been able to get in with him when needed.

[Aces4]

Here's my personal story. We went to Australia Feb. 2 to 18. Feb 20 I came down with what I thought was the typical "airplane cold." Due to change of plans I was seated between two strangers, one with a face mask. (Normally my husband and I sit next to each other in a row with only two seats.)


Today, almost three weeks later, the "cold" did not go away, and a low grade fever had arrived every afternoon (at the typical fever spike time), and I had been sleeping sitting up because of sinus drainage and cough. My pcp couldn't see me, so I went to the 441 Urgent Care Center on Powel Road & 44.


No flu swab (I've had a flu shot, but they didn't ask), no question about where I had traveled (four places in Aus plus Los Angeles and MCO), and even though I had all symptoms typical of covid-19, no test for that, nor was covid ever mentioned. Before you ask, no, I didn't speak up. I was feeling poorly and just wanted to get out of there.


I was diagnosed with bronchitis (I've never had ever) and sinusitis and given scripts for Zyrtec and prednisone and sent on my way. I hope they are right.


The doctor said Are you wheezing. I said No, and he said "I hear you wheezing, and it's an insurance thing, I have to hear you complain of wheezing."



Off topic, I'm thinking maybe we should have stuck with the first doctor, whom we loved, paid the $1k and been able to get in with him when needed.

Thank you for sharing that information. The evaluation of your illness by medical personnel was inadequate and is scary, hope your recovery begins and that you haven’t been exposed to the coronavirus.

[CFrance]

Thank you for sharing that information. The evaluation of your illness by medical personnel was inadequate and is scary, hope your recovery begins and that you haven’t been exposed to the coronavirus.\
Thank you. I am encouraged that we have been home for almost three weeks, and my husband is evidencing no similar symptoms. Also that we were not in an at-the-time questionable location, although there are many Chinese in Australia, and we were on a plane from Hobart to Melbourne with many business day travelers who appeared to be Asian.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

CFrance I'm curious as to why, after having traveled from a country where Covid19 has been found, and are presenting symptoms of Covid19, and it was bad enough you felt you should go to Urgent Care just today to get help for it - you didn't think to mention to the doctors that you might be at-risk? I mean okay they didn't ask, that wasn't a bright thing on their part. But once you discover that they aren't going to ask, why didn't you take the responsibility to tell them?

Inconvenience? Lack of insurance? You got sick 3 weeks ago and didn't think that between then and now, you could have developed something worse than what you started with? It concerns me because if you have the symptoms, and were at a pretty significant risk of exposure, then you could in fact be spreading this virus (or some other virus) to everyone else. Or worse - someone else might have spread it to you, and is running around undiagnosed spreading it to everyone else.

[Nucky]

:beer3:I know what I am going to do to Combat the Corona Virus. I'm going to skip this Politically Charged Thread! There is some very good news and additions to what we have already learned from the CDC site and other places. This is a place for us to give and consider ideas from mainly other people in our community. They are supposed to be HELPFUL. Some of them are not helpful. If you want to speak of politics instead of ways to save our hides then this is the thread for you. It is what it is. Never gonna change. Whatever! I give up!

Hers to staying :beer3: HEALTHY. Mentally and Physically. :shocked:

[CFrance]

CFrance I'm curious as to why, after having traveled from a country where Covid19 has been found, and are presenting symptoms of Covid19, and it was bad enough you felt you should go to Urgent Care just today to get help for it - you didn't think to mention to the doctors that you might be at-risk? I mean okay they didn't ask, that wasn't a bright thing on their part. But once you discover that they aren't going to ask, why didn't you take the responsibility to tell them?

Inconvenience? Lack of insurance? You got sick 3 weeks ago and didn't think that between then and now, you could have developed something worse than what you started with? It concerns me because if you have the symptoms, and were at a pretty significant risk of exposure, then you could in fact be spreading this virus (or some other virus) to everyone else. Or worse - someone else might have spread it to you, and is running around undiagnosed spreading it to everyone else.
First of all, the coronavirus was not present in Australia when we were there. Plus, we were in Tasmania, an island state off the coast of the mainland with a much more spread-out population.


Second of all, I did tell them I had traveled to Australia.


Thirdly, I have had colds leading to sinus infections after coming off of planes several times in the last 25 years. They always go away in two weeks. I felt no chest pains nor breathing difficulties during this cold. I had only two symptoms of the 5 symptoms they have been listing as coronavirus. People in high places have been saying not to panic, that tests were not available everywhere, you had to go through the CDC to get testing materials, and they had a tight list of requirements.



I'm not stupid. it wasn't until I developed a low-grade fever two days ago that I sought medical help. I don't think I did anything wrong, so lay off me.

[Bucco]

First of all, the coronavirus was not present in Australia when we were there. Plus, we were in Tasmania, an island state off the coast of the mainland with a much more spread-out population.


Second of all, I did tell them I had traveled to Australia.


Thirdly, I have had colds leading to sinus infections after coming off of planes several times in the last 25 years. They always go away in two weeks. I felt no chest pains nor breathing difficulties during this cold. I had only two symptoms of the 5 symptoms they have been listing as coronavirus. People in high places have been saying not to panic, that tests were not available everywhere, you had to go through the CDC to get testing materials, and they had a tight list of requirements.



I'm not stupid. it wasn't until I developed a low-grade fever two days ago that I sought medical help. I don't think I did anything wrong, so lay off me.

You did nothing wrong and frankly as we learned yesterday, we do not have sufficient test kits in this country.

Hope you are feeling better.......sure you are fine.....fear, or unease of the UNKOWN is sometimes the worst.

[ColdNoMore]

First of all, the coronavirus was not present in Australia when we were there. Plus, we were in Tasmania, an island state off the coast of the mainland with a much more spread-out population.


Second of all, I did tell them I had traveled to Australia.


Thirdly, I have had colds leading to sinus infections after coming off of planes several times in the last 25 years. They always go away in two weeks. I felt no chest pains nor breathing difficulties during this cold. I had only two symptoms of the 5 symptoms they have been listing as coronavirus. People in high places have been saying not to panic, that tests were not available everywhere, you had to go through the CDC to get testing materials, and they had a tight list of requirements.



I'm not stupid. it wasn't until I developed a low-grade fever two days ago that I sought medical help. I don't think I did anything wrong, so lay off me.

Thanks for sharing! :thumbup:


Sincerely hoping all will be well...for you and yours soon. :)

[Velvet]

I have a question. It is recommended that if you are not sick then you don’t wear a mask because “it will not help you” from the articles cited above. My question is then why is it imperative that the health workers who work with the sick, wear a mask?

[retiredguy123]

This video is a must see. Very short, funny, and sad.

Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/nkosibooi/status/1235627900616966145)

[600th Photo Sq]

For me ? Mic Ultra 16 ounce can " Ice Cold " keeps me going. Try it. Fantastic .

PS: On sale this week @Winn Dixie.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

First of all, the coronavirus was not present in Australia when we were there. Plus, we were in Tasmania, an island state off the coast of the mainland with a much more spread-out population.


Second of all, I did tell them I had traveled to Australia.


Thirdly, I have had colds leading to sinus infections after coming off of planes several times in the last 25 years. They always go away in two weeks. I felt no chest pains nor breathing difficulties during this cold. I had only two symptoms of the 5 symptoms they have been listing as coronavirus. People in high places have been saying not to panic, that tests were not available everywhere, you had to go through the CDC to get testing materials, and they had a tight list of requirements.



I'm not stupid. it wasn't until I developed a low-grade fever two days ago that I sought medical help. I don't think I did anything wrong, so lay off me.

Your first post implied that you had "the" symptoms that were red flags for coronavirus. There are only 3 symptoms that are "tells" for the coronavirus: coughing, fever, and difficulty breathing. So if you didn't have all three of those symptoms it wasn't likely that they'd feel any need to test you for the coronavirus.

The only thing "wrong" you did, it seems, is post your first post in the way you posted it. It was easily interpreted as your criticism of the medical folks for not testing you, as you feel they should have. But when in reality, there was no reason for them to do that. If everyone who had a low-grade fever and symptoms of a cold went to the doctor, they'd be so busy telling people to go home and eat chicken soup that they'd probably miss more actual cases of COVID-19 than they'd be able to treat.

I have symptoms of a cold all the time. Sniffles/runny nose, mild congestion. 24/7/365. It's called allergies and a deviated septum that makes it difficult to breathe through my right nostril. But if I left out that little detail about it being allergies and having the septum problem, people might read: "hey she's sick all the time? And she doesn't go to the doctor? WTH someone call the Dept of health and have her quarantined!"

That's what happens when you leave those pesky little details out. It's manipulative.

[Bogie Shooter]

I have heard the term "Monday morning quarterbacks".
Now a new one "Monday morning doctors".:shrug:

[Velvet]

CFrance, hope you are feeling better today. You know your body best, what is normal to you and what is not.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Where's Gianna Micelli when we need her?

[Barefoot]

...

[CFrance]

Your first post implied that you had "the" symptoms that were red flags for coronavirus. There are only 3 symptoms that are "tells" for the coronavirus: coughing, fever, and difficulty breathing. So if you didn't have all three of those symptoms it wasn't likely that they'd feel any need to test you for the coronavirus.

The only thing "wrong" you did, it seems, is post your first post in the way you posted it. It was easily interpreted as your criticism of the medical folks for not testing you, as you feel they should have. But when in reality, there was no reason for them to do that. If everyone who had a low-grade fever and symptoms of a cold went to the doctor, they'd be so busy telling people to go home and eat chicken soup that they'd probably miss more actual cases of COVID-19 than they'd be able to treat.

I have symptoms of a cold all the time. Sniffles/runny nose, mild congestion. 24/7/365. It's called allergies and a deviated septum that makes it difficult to breathe through my right nostril. But if I left out that little detail about it being allergies and having the septum problem, people might read: "hey she's sick all the time? And she doesn't go to the doctor? WTH someone call the Dept of health and have her quarantined!"

That's what happens when you leave those pesky little details out. It's manipulative.
I left no details out. I was not being manipulative, as you choose to accuse. I had three of the 5 symptoms--actually four, since he told me I was wheezing when I didn't know I was. I was indeed questioning the medical doctor for not at least doing a flu swab, which my friend the nurse asked me about after the fact. If I hadn't told him I traveled, he wouldn't have asked. When I did tell him, he had no response.



But you can have the last word. I'm out of discussing it with you any further.

[Bucco]

I 100% agree.
Very likely an agenda item aimed at disrupting the economy toward some hopeful political advantage/leverage.

Or, as has been suggested by ex CIA who worked n counter terrorism, relative to initial and on going lack of testing kits, inaccuracy of initial tests, lack of accurate reporting, etc. along with the dismantling in 2018 of the WH pandemic team , This is viewed how we, as a country, are responding to #COVID19 through an analytic lens.

It's safe to assume that foreign intelligence services are watching too.

Everything is not about internal.

[manaboutown]

Anyone consider the mask, toilet paper and wipes manufacturers might be behind spreading panic?

[golfing eagles]

Where's Gianna Micelli when we need her?

The same place as a hole in the head, the need is the same:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[ColdNoMore]

Anyone consider the mask, toilet paper and wipes manufacturers might be behind spreading panic?

:oops:


http://i.imgur.com/RxMqMSl.jpg

[Barefoot]

Anyone consider the mask, toilet paper and wipes manufacturers might be behind spreading panic?I never thought of that, but it's a possibility.
Everything is sold out at Walmart.
I didn't check for masks or tp; but they are probably sold out.
All disinfecting wipes are sold out at WM, and probably at other stores as well.

[Barefoot]

It is recommended that if you are not sick then you don’t wear a mask because “it will not help you” from the articles cited above. I think a mask simply keeps you from touching your face.

[600th Photo Sq]

And don't forget the milk, bread and eggs!
Steve

Also very important 3 - 4 Cases of 16 Ounce Cans of Mic Ultra Beer, excellent very cold.

Peanuts, Pretzels, Potato Chips, Pickles, Cherry Tomatoes.

PS: You forgot the Butter :)

[zmarkp]

while my hand sanitizer from amazon won't be arriving until sometime in april, my box of 100 disposable clear vinyl gloves is arriving next week (for filling up the gas tank of course). i'll keep using those regardless of mr. caronavirus. plus, did you know you can get leprosy from armadillos? just sayin'

[ColdNoMore]

while my hand sanitizer from amazon won't be arriving until sometime in april, my box of 100 disposable clear vinyl gloves is arriving next week (for filling up the gas tank of course). i'll keep using those regardless of mr. caronavirus. plus, did you know you can get leprosy from armadillos? just sayin'

Even from 'sail-dillo's' (the ones you can throw like a Frisbee)? :D

[Bucco]

Just to take a "serious" break......despite what you hear, testing is NOT available to you if you want a test...

"On Friday, Mr. Pence said it would be a “matter of weeks” before Americans could get easy access to a coronavirus test."

Despite we being told just 48 hours ago that "Anybody right now and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test,” ..... “They’re there. They have the tests and the tests are beautiful.”

With Test Kits in Short Supply, Health Officials Sound Alarms - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/06/health/testing-coronavirus.html)

Tracking, etc is not going to happen in a timely manner. Thus impeding actions. Truth is better than bravado...

This, from the link is important....."Public health officials are warning that no one knows how deeply the virus will spread, in part because the federal government’s flawed rollout of tests three weeks ago has snowballed into an embarrassing fiasco of national proportions."

I am mocked very often for asking for facts and truth....this "could" be an example of why knowing the facts is important

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Just to take a "serious" break......despite what you hear, testing is NOT available to you if you want a test...

"On Friday, Mr. Pence said it would be a “matter of weeks” before Americans could get easy access to a coronavirus test."

Despite we being told just 48 hours ago that "Anybody right now and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test,” ..... “They’re there. They have the tests and the tests are beautiful.”

With Test Kits in Short Supply, Health Officials Sound Alarms - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/06/health/testing-coronavirus.html)

Tracking, etc is not going to happen in a timely manner. Thus impeding actions. Truth is better than bravado...

This, from the link is important....."Public health officials are warning that no one knows how deeply the virus will spread, in part because the federal government’s flawed rollout of tests three weeks ago has snowballed into an embarrassing fiasco of national proportions."

I am mocked very often for asking for facts and truth....this "could" be an example of why knowing the facts is important

I'm convinced there is definitely a shortage of test kits IF you are trying to test "everyone who wants it."

However I also get a feeling that there isn't really a shortage of test kits for hospitals and other medical facilities that need to test specific patients. It's probably more a matter of "how many and where." Such as the cruise ships that have been out on the sea for the past couple of weeks, and didn't have any reason to think they'd need kits - til now.

BTW turns out the guy who exposed everyone to the virus on the ship on the west coast - came on board already sick. This according to the LA Times as of the past hour.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Did you also stock up on Toilet Paper ? I use " Yardley " soap really nice . I feel at peace waiting for the weather to warm up.

Meanwhile …. Try to stay ……………………………..Calm and wash gently...:pray:

I had stocked up previous to this and already had 2 24-roll packages. I also have I think a pack of 8 bars of soap, so that won't be a problem either. I should probably get a few gallon jugs of water though, I hate drinking tap water and only have 1 jug left.

[Two Bills]

One thing bothers me with this sanitising.
Do I need to carry another sanitiser to sanitise the sanitiser I sanatised my hands with?
Or a third sanitiser to sanitise the sanitiser bottle i sanitised the sanitiser I sanitised my hands with?

[600th Photo Sq]

One thing bothers me with this sanitising.
Do I need to carry another sanitiser to sanitise the sanitiser I sanatised my hands with?
Or a third sanitiser to sanitise the sanitiser bottle i sanitised the sanitiser I sanitised my hands with?

Might be easier to carry in a Backpack 100 or so Disposable Gloves every time you go out.

A pack of 500 from Amazon $11.99. Might be a good idea to order right away, many others after reading this post will put in an order, Amazon will sell out very quickly !

Good Luck :popcorn:

[Velvet]

Better sanitize the gloves too... just in case.

[graciegirl]

Better sanitize the gloves too... just in case.

Yeah. You never know where they've been. I think a lot of people play doctor.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Date: February 26, 2020 at 2:35:50 PM EST
Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic.

Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.

The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.

Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:

1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.
3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.
4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.
5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.
6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.
7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!

What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:

1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.

Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.

2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.

3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.

4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.

I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.

I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us!

Jim

James Robb, MD FCAP

So are you saying the alcohol will kill the COVID-19 virus?

[CFrance]

Looks like it's time to add a little more rational perspective to this.

In an average year, according to the CDC, there are 36,000 US deaths and 500,000 worldwide deaths from influenza.
Coronavirus---US deaths = 9, all in the same adult facility in Washington State
Worldwide---?2-3000 depending on accuracy of Chinese statistics.

So, CNN, MSNBC, ABC etc., no, chicken little the sky is not falling

Also, I'm amazed the same people who are clamoring for an instant vaccine are probably the same ones that pass on their yearly flu shot
And now Fauci, whom you named as one of the experts on the president's team, is announcing that covid-19 is significantly more lethal than influenza. To quote him:


“I mean, people always say, well, the flu does this, the flu does that,” Fauci said. “The flu has a mortality of 0.1 percent. This has a mortality rate of 10 times that. That’s the reason I want to emphasize we have to stay ahead of the game in preventing this."


And yet we've only done 9,000 tests.