Coronavirus in Florida

[calibantwo]

The state of Florida is protecting tourism by suppressing information about the virus in Florida. There have been more than a dozen cases in the state - the second largest concentration after New York. There have been two deaths - near Pensacola and Fort Meyers. Why don't we know where the other cases are located? We have an at-risk population in The Villages. We need to have more information. Maybe it is time for The Villages to pressure the Governor to provide more information.

[JSR22]

Where did you read there are more then a dozen cases?

[biker1]

The latest information I saw was 9 reported cases in Florida. There are currently 6 states with more reported cases. The bulk of the cases are in the states of Washington and California. Are there more cases than have been reported ? Of course, since not every case has been diagnosed yet. Do you actually have any real proof to support your claim that the state of FL is suppressing information? There is really no need for you to be panicking. What you do need to do is follow the advice of the public health professionals on what precautions to take.

The state of Florida is protecting tourism by suppressing information about the virus in Florida. There have been more than a dozen cases in the state - the second largest concentration after New York. There have been two deaths - near Pensacola and Fort Meyers. Why don't we know where the other cases are located? We have an at-risk population in The Villages. We need to have more information. Maybe it is time for The Villages to pressure the Governor to provide more information.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Really doesn't matter where they are located, you have to start adopting new strategies and behaviors for minimizing your risk of exposure. Some simple measures are limiting exposure to large crowds, no handshaking, nor bumping elbows. Just think about sneezing into elbows and then bumping elbows. Shop at hours with few people in the store, and use hand sanitizers after leaving public places. There is much less risk with outdoor activities, which is favorable for TV life style.

Finally don't be selfish if asked to self quarantine. Its just like a hurricane, you stay away from the rest of us and then youcan come out when you have passed the contagious stage. Which really should include your family members as well, and they will probably already have it by the time you figure it out. Have friends drop off food outside the house, and you can retrieve the food shortly afterwards. Transfer cash via Zelle to your friends after getting the receipt. Its obviously a crappy change of life style, but that's the most effective method of halting the spread, until a vaccine can be found.

And you are ultimately responsible for your own health, and working together we can make TV much safer than the rest of FL

sportsguy, whose wife works at a research medical center . . .

[njbchbum]

Can't confirm the OP's post with an internet search so I hafta wonder if it was provided by the barber/hairstylist, a golfing foursome, from the pickleball court, a wait staff individual or a State Dept of Health employee. Staying tuned in awaiting confirmation.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Took me less than a minute to find the following:

As of Saturday, cases of the virus had been confirmed in Manatee County, Charlotte County, Hillsborough County (2), Lee County (2), Broward County (2) and Santa Rosa County.

https://www.news4jax.com/resizer/xELXLUXFLFpLSy53b3fSTsZ0cSM=/1600x900/smart/filters:format(jpeg):strip_exif(true):strip_icc(tr ue):no_upscale(true):quality(65)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-gmg.s3.amazonaws.com/public/LZHKEIJENJBO5IME6AK3TWVSKY.jpg

[Taltarzac725]

COVID-19 | Florida Department of Health (http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/COVID-19/)

Check the Twitter feeds for Florida governmental agencies.

[ColdNoMore]

COVID-19 | Florida Department of Health (http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/COVID-19/)

Check the Twitter feeds for Florida governmental agencies.

I just love me some facts...from legitimate sources. :thumbup:


Positive Cases of COVID-19

10 – Florida Residents

5 – Florida Cases Repatriated

1 – Non-Florida resident

[manaboutown]

As I am avoiding airports and being on planes I am not taking a planned nonessential otherwise routine trip. I am considering using Mr. Spock's Vulcan salute as a salubrious manner of greeting.

[Rosebud1949]

Health authorities ALWAYS hide the "real facts", especially when Tourism $$$, and other businesses, are affected. It is why there are so many virus epidemics. We are at risk here in TV.. what is being done !!!

[Drdoug49]

I think the state is reporting the facts accurately. In the bubble, with a vulnerable population, the last time I checked the death rate for men over 70 was 8% from the virus. But because most here are deniers, very few have seemed to change their behavior and support the president view that it’s no big deal. We were in a Korean airport 3 weeks ago, everybody wears masks and it’s a big deal

[bmit16]

Doomsayers! So what are you going to do different if they say 9 cases and you say 2 dozen? I think the news media is over hyping the virus and creating panic. You are more likely to die in The Villages in a roundabout between January and April than from the corona virus. Wash your hands regularly, exercise, take your vitamins, and stay out of roundabouts, and you will get through this media scare. There are always virus's. Remember EBOLA 4 years ago and SARS before that. Hospitals spent millions converting special treatment areas that are now storage rooms.

[IUFAN]

Protect ourselves as it is the flu. Lordy we have been thru the bird flu, swine flu and two or three others that was mentioned on line the other day.

[Drdoug49]

The Ebola virus was stopped because of contaminate policies and the development of a vaccine . There is no coronavirus vaccination and NO containment policies here in TV. People cough And sneeze without covering the cough, sanitizing wipes are not at many restaurants here, despite having a vulnerable population of elderly here.

[jaye_wolfe]

There’s a lot of discussion about the virus, but very little information is being offered to us to really understand what’s going on. Recently, I was searching for some answers about the COVID-19. I stumbled on the WHO web site. There a daily situation report is published concerning the spread of virus. The reports are at www,who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports/

[Meloveday]

Whether there are 2 cases or 40 cases, would that change how you do anything? I mean really, everyone is aware of it, just take your precautions.

[theruizs]

Health authorities ALWAYS hide the "real facts", especially when Tourism $$$, and other businesses, are affected. It is why there are so many virus epidemics. We are at risk here in TV.. what is being done !!!

What do you base this on? What are you trying to accomplish by posting this here? I do not see how fear mongering is going to help. If you think information is being withheld go to those you think are withholding it, or self quarantine until you feel safe again.

[biker1]

The 8% death rate for men over 70 is actually from China, not the US. Keep in mind that according to the CDC, 70-85% of seasonal flu deaths occur in people over 65.

I think the state is reporting the facts accurately. In the bubble, with a vulnerable population, the last time I checked the death rate for men over 70 was 8% from the virus. But because most here are deniers, very few have seemed to change their behavior and support the president view that it’s no big deal. We were in a Korean airport 3 weeks ago, everybody wears masks and it’s a big deal

[Bogie Shooter]

There’s a lot of discussion about the virus, but very little information is being offered to us to really understand what’s going on. Recently, I was searching for some answers about the COVID-19. I stumbled on the WHO web site. There a daily situation report is published concerning the spread of virus. The reports are at www,who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports/

You have to look...……………..here is one of the best sources. Even get updates on a map in real time. Enjoy!
Johns Hopkins Medicine, based in Baltimore, Maryland (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/)

[J1ceasar]

Don't French kiss. Wash your hands . relax.

[Drdoug49]

Yes in China,but men over 70 are the most vulnerable. We don’t have death rates yet here in USA. But China contained the virus by quarantined 50,000,000. They closed down Macau, the gambling resort that’s bigger than Las Vegas. We can’t do that in America, which leaves elderly men vulnerable

[stewiegal]

Great advice

[greenflash245]

first sentence is soooooo true in my opinion. government is constantly with holding info from us .

[Mugget]

What is being done!!!!! You protect YOURSELF.

[danglanzsr]

People with covid-19 Don't sneeze. It is purely a lung infection. Shopping when the majority of people are not present doesn't prevent infection. The virus remains viable on any surface it is on for 9 to 12 hours. The virus is transmitted on your hands.

[Heyitsrick]

I'm not saying don't be concerned about COVID-19, but I'm just curious as to whether many who are exceedingly concerned might not be living their lives in a healthy fashion, otherwise. I'm talking about the common things like obesity, heart disease, etc., that might be exacerbated by everyday living choices. Maybe a few too many retirement cocktails?

No one's perfect - I'm certainly not - but the attention to this particular virus does seem to be over the top, to me. I did a quick check to see what were the common causes of death in Florida (statewide), and found the most recent listing from 2018. Influenza/pneumonia deaths totaled some 3,000+ statewide that year. Heart disease, cancer, stroke, unintentional injury, chronic lower respiratory disease, Alzheimer's, diabetes, suicide, liver disease and nephritis/neprhrotic syndrome/nephrosis (kidney disease) all came in higher in numbers...the top three very, very significantly higher. Heart disease, for example, clocked in at ~47,000 deaths.

Leading Causes of Death Statewide In Florida (http://www.flhealthcharts.com/ChartsReports/rdPage.aspx?rdReport=ChartsProfiles.LeadingCausesO fDeathProfile)

The stats tell me two things: first, that influenza type deaths are in the thousands, annually in Florida. Secondly, there are major diseases that many people can do much to avoid or ameliorate that take many, many lives. Lifestyle choices could conceivably help individuals in that regard.

Bottom line: if you're overly-worried about COVID-19, where do you stand in other areas that you can make controlled choices in? This is the disconnect that I've witnessed in my own travels and in conversations. I can see some who are very seriously overweight, for example, worrying more about COVID-19 than the obvious strains on their own bodies from too much food, etc., and too little exercise. It might be time to reassess.

[lorilorilori]

Coronavirus Dashboard (https://ncov2019.live/data)

:bigbow:

[gatorbill1]

virus is not going away by lying about numbers and ignoring the truth

[MOMOH]

Whatever you believe about the facts and numbers about the cases in the state, what will you do when there are confirmed cases in The Villages?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

If you think about the healthcare industry, the industry is 95% of the time, reactionary to your condition. 5% are childhood vaccines, which is proactive and preventative. Otherwise, you are in a free country, and you generally don't ever have to go to a doctor or be test, until something happens. In a totalitarian regime, without a medical system, you are at the discretion of the government which wants to be in control, and has no empathy nor responsibility for its citizens, so don't expect real or truthful statistics, which the US government can rely. So data and information will have to wait to be collected and processed by non totalitarian goverments with medical systems for the population

With a novel, meaning never having been seen before, virus, which is believed to have a mortality rate of 50 to 100 times higher than the seasonal flue with a vaccine, to prevent the spread requires preventative measures, which is the sole function of the CDC. However, the CDC requires data before making requirements, which is again reactionary. ie, how many humans had to perish before air planes are as safe as they are today? again, all a reaction function to increase safety. Right now, data to information is in relatively short supply. The movie "Contagion" is a very good representation of how the lack of information, which is natural, creates fear of the unknown, which is a reaction in humans hard wired to preserve the species, and can only be solved with data, then analysis, then information. This scenario plays out over and over again in human history.

And yes, by definition, the situation will get worse in terms of data but that is a natural response function to data to a virus which spreads at an exponential rate. The next two months will be very scary data and information wise.

From the Chinese CDC, their release of data shows an exponential mortality rate curve as well, however, tipped very steeply higher at the age groups above 60. So just with that limited information, the villages is at high risk of mortality if the residents don't adopt a preventative, pro active approach together. Difficult of course because humans don't like their lifestyle interrupted, but your individual outcome is mostly dependent on you and partially dependent on all of us being smart and not selfish for a relatively short period of time. And if the virus gets into an elderly assisted living facility, there is a high probability of a cluster of unfavorable outcomes.

sportsguy and coachK

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

People with covid-19 Don't sneeze. It is purely a lung infection. Shopping when the majority of people are not present doesn't prevent infection. The virus remains viable on any surface it is on for 9 to 12 hours. The virus is transmitted on your hands.

People with Covid-19 are not immune to OTHER things that might make them sneeze. This is also the end of the flu season and the start of the allergy season. And sometimes, people just sneeze because a little speck of dust flies into their nose and tickles it.

I sometimes will sneeze when I leave the house on a sunny day and look up in the direction of sunlight. Many people sneeze in supermarkets, because there's a lot of dust in supermarkets.

Hayfever happens even to people with Covid-19.

So sure - sneezing is not a symptom of Covid-19 but that doesn't mean "if they sneeze they don't have Covid-19." It just means "the sneeze had nothing to do with any Covid-19 they might or might not have."

[Two Bills]

People with Covid-19 are not immune to OTHER things that might make them sneeze. This is also the end of the flu season and the start of the allergy season. And sometimes, people just sneeze because a little speck of dust flies into their nose and tickles it.

I sometimes will sneeze when I leave the house on a sunny day and look up in the direction of sunlight. Many people sneeze in supermarkets, because there's a lot of dust in supermarkets.

Hayfever happens even to people with Covid-19.

So sure - sneezing is not a symptom of Covid-19 but that doesn't mean "if they sneeze they don't have Covid-19." It just means "the sneeze had nothing to do with any Covid-19 they might or might not have."

I sneeze my way round most of the exec golf courses.
Whatever chemical has been sprayed sets me off, every time.
Thinking of wearing a mask and carrying a few toilet rolls next time I play! :icon_wink:

[Fred2016]

You will never hear about the virus in the villages. It is not the real world. All they care about here is selling houses to old people

[graciegirl]

The Ebola virus was stopped because of contaminate policies and the development of a vaccine . There is no coronavirus vaccination and NO containment policies here in TV. People cough And sneeze without covering the cough, sanitizing wipes are not at many restaurants here, despite having a vulnerable population of elderly here.

You will be completely safe if you stay home. And don't touch your mail. The Villages is not your mama.

I see you are Dr. Doug.

I am Dr. Mom.

[rustyp]

You will be completely safe if you stay home. And don't touch your mail. The Villages is not your mama.

I see you are Dr. Doug.

I am Dr. Mom.

You can't get your mail if you stay at home.

[JudiK]

You watch too much TV

[Don Ferguson]

When we approach the 27,000 annual deaths from regular flu, I will start to panic with y'all.

[skyking]

Wow! It sounds like we need some safe spaces for some people.

[jebartle]

virus is not going away by lying about numbers and ignoring the truth

Hmmmm!

[golfing eagles]

When we approach the 27,000 annual deaths from regular flu, I will start to panic with y'all.

27,000 is a low year
26,000 to 54,000 is the range over the last 30 years

And whoever posted that covid-19 is 50-100 times as deadly as regular influenza should check their facts, 3-8 times is the best current estimate

[Taltarzac725]

Dirty money: The case against cash in times of the coronavirus outbreak - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/07/tech/mobile-payments-coronavirus/index.html)

This might be of interest.

[ejwolf1963]

Thanks mucho. It is serious and not to be relegated to $$.

[TheWarriors]

All I hear is “The sky is falling”, meh, don’t think so.

[sipops]

From Oct. 1, 2019 to Feb. 29, 2020 between 24,000 and 52,000 people have died in the U.S. This a media hype. Do what you should always do during Flu season cover coughs and sneezes and wash your hands. Now go out and play. Enjoy yourself.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Drdoug49
The Ebola virus was stopped because of contaminate policies and the development of a vaccine . There is no coronavirus vaccination and NO containment policies here in TV. People cough And sneeze without covering the cough, sanitizing wipes are not at many restaurants here, despite having a vulnerable population of elderly here.

Not sure what kind of Dr. you might be... There is no such thing as a contaminate policy. There are procedures to control and clean up contamination. And there are containment policies. If you are going to post using what might lead readers to think you are a medical professional it would behoove you to use the word you mean every time. Containment is possible with Ebola because its disease manifestations are dramatic and rapid and its transmission requires a significant non-casual exposure. Containment is not possible with an organism that has a longer incubation period during which the patient is contagious, many cases are of low severity or sub-clinical, and spread is possible from casual contact. Corona is not Ebola. The containment option continues to be viable in small confinable outbreaks, like a cruise ship. But once corona is in the community at large it will do what it is going to do. And that is the unknown. Will it be a mild disease in most everyone and disappear from circulation like SARS and MERS did? Or will it be intense and severe moving from town to town and become a true devastating pandemic like Spanish flu did 100 years ago. We'll know in a few weeks or months. I am thinking this will fizzle but you can't count on it and must prepare for the pandemic alternative. That means a well funded CDC, well funded state and local health departments staffed by professionals trained in public health and available epidemiologists and infectious disease experts. And perhaps that those guiding the nation's response to Corona not treat a visit to the CDC as a partisan campaign event.

The Ebola vaccine which you credit with arresting the disease has only been approved in the US in Dec 2019. So it had nothing whatsoever with protecting the US during 2016's Ebola scare. It, or a similar experimental vaccine, had been used in Africa in areas with endemic and epidemic Ebola to prove efficacy beginning in 2015 that vaccinated contacts and contacts of contacts to known cases. There has not been any widespread immunization campaign in Africa.

[golfing eagles]

Not sure what kind of Dr. you might be... There is no such thing as a contaminate policy. There are procedures to control and clean up contamination. And there are containment policies. If you are going to post using what might lead readers to think you are a medical professional it would behoove you to use the word you mean every time. Containment is possible with Ebola because its disease manifestations are dramatic and rapid and its transmission requires a significant non-casual exposure. Containment is not possible with an organism that has a longer incubation period during which the patient is contagious, many cases are of low severity or sub-clinical, and spread is possible from casual contact. Corona is not Ebola. The containment option continues to be viable in small confinable outbreaks, like a cruise ship. But once corona is in the community at large it will do what it is going to do. And that is the unknown. Will it be a mild disease in most everyone and disappear from circulation like SARS and MERS did? Or will it be intense and severe moving from town to town and become a true devastating pandemic like Spanish flu did 100 years ago. We'll know in a few weeks or months. I am thinking this will fizzle but you can't count on it and must prepare for the pandemic alternative. That means a well funded CDC, well funded state and local health departments staffed by professionals trained in public health and available epidemiologists and infectious disease experts. And perhaps that those guiding the nation's response to Corona not treat a visit to the CDC as a partisan campaign event.

The Ebola vaccine which you credit with arresting the disease has only been approved in the US in Dec 2019. So it had nothing whatsoever with protecting the US during 2016's Ebola scare. It, or a similar experimental vaccine, had been used in Africa in areas with endemic and epidemic Ebola to prove efficacy beginning in 2015 that vaccinated contacts and contacts of contacts to known cases. There has not been any widespread immunization campaign in Africa.

Thanks! Saved me the trouble

[Byte1]

Nothing burger

[biker1]

Yes, but you cherry picked a statistic without providing context. Enough said.

Yes in China,but men over 70 are the most vulnerable. We don’t have death rates yet here in USA. But China contained the virus by quarantined 50,000,000. They closed down Macau, the gambling resort that’s bigger than Las Vegas. We can’t do that in America, which leaves elderly men vulnerable

[Nucky]

In the last week I have read more Horse Beep on here about The Corona Virus than I can stand. I patiently read each and every one of my fellow Villagers Cherished Thoughts and Beliefs on the subject. Somehow it even turned Political. We have opinions from a lot of the Big Spectrum of personal beliefs. I like TOTV'S because of the exchange of ideas.

Without going into detail I happen to be a person who is at high risk, not because of my age. I have picked Dr Mark Siegel on Fox News to listen to. I have decided to read the daily updates from the CDC and read whatever the World Health Organization has to say. I consulted with my primary Doctor and my Pulmonologist and a Dear extremely knowledgeable friend who is a Doctor of the highest caliber here in the Villages but not practicing anymore.

The Summary of all the conversations boil down to Use Your Common Sense. Wash your hand's. Shut out the Horse Pucky that you can accumulate from people who don't have a clue and live your life with the same precautions as you take to prevent getting the flu. When the Vaccine is ready I'll have my Big Azz first in line to get it but until then, don't live in fear. If by chance this doesn't work or I get the Big One and Croak then I went out doing the right thing in the best place. I'm only 61 but if its time its time. I lucky Nucky that I made it this far. (Its a long story)

I really wish for peace and calm amongst my many friends and few foes during this trial in front of us but lets concentrate on the problem and not add to it with Nonsense.

If none of that works then my last option would be: Love potion number 9, The Searchers - YouTube (https://youtu.be/7rXhXLsNJL8)

[rmd2]

The state of Florida is protecting tourism by suppressing information about the virus in Florida. There have been more than a dozen cases in the state - the second largest concentration after New York. There have been two deaths - near Pensacola and Fort Meyers. Why don't we know where the other cases are located? We have an at-risk population in The Villages. We need to have more information. Maybe it is time for The Villages to pressure the Governor to provide more information.

You are so wrong and an alarmist. California is by far number one. New York is higher and so is Washington than we are. We have to be careful but we are no where near the most viral state.

[rmd2]

I think the state is reporting the facts accurately. In the bubble, with a vulnerable population, the last time I checked the death rate for men over 70 was 8% from the virus. But because most here are deniers, very few have seemed to change their behavior and support the president view that it’s no big deal. We were in a Korean airport 3 weeks ago, everybody wears masks and it’s a big deal

Thank you for traveling to Korea 3 weeks ago and returning here.

[genies45]

If you look on the Florida Department of Health the info is current. FloridaHealth.gov

[Byte1]

When I first heard of the Corona virus, I was sure that my formerly favorite beer (cerveza) was responsible for this horrendous virus outbreak. I was relieved that I had switched a few years ago to a different brand lite beer.
I have heard that hand sanitizer is getting scarce in the stores due to the hysterical scare, as well as paper face masks. Many are not listening. Paper face masks are for the "sick" to wear, not the healthy. Why do the surgeons wear masks in the operating room and not the patient? See what I mean. Seriously though, if you REALLY need hand sanitizer, try adding rubbing alcohol to aloe vera to make your own. I took it a step further, I immediately rushed to the ABC store, fully expecting a run on my favorite alcoholic beverage of choice, and was relieved to see plenty of it in stock. I have found that by imbibing plenty of strong spirits, I can circumvent worrying about having my hands near my face. Alcohol will kill any virus germs. Thank goodness I was smart enough to think of this before the impending rush to secure alcohol by my fellow Villagers. I felt it my civic duty to pass this valuable information on to you. You are welcome.
Point of fact, I had my last FLU shot in 1970. I have never had the flue that I know of. Could it be my precaution of sanitizing my internals instead of my externals? I believe further study is called for. I will continue to update you on my progress and results. :wine: :beer3:

[kcrazorbackfan]

OMG!!!! The sky is falling, the sky is falling!! 🤪🤪🤪

[ts12755]

40000 die from the flu each year.... Get used to it.... If you are old with underlying illness it may be your time.wash your hands, stay away from crowds.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

When we approach the 27,000 annual deaths from regular flu, I will start to panic with y'all.

1: 27000 people had the flu last year. 27000 people did not die from the flu last year.
2: however, in 2018, over 50,000 people died from flu OR flu-related illness, worldwide.
3: you're choosing whether or not to panic based on faulty information. Good luck. You'll need it.

[milling73]

When we approach the 27,000 annual deaths from regular flu, I will start to panic with y'all.

Exactly!!! This panic is so out of reason or justification! There are so many more things likely to sicken or kill us than this.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Don Ferguson
When we approach the 27,000 annual deaths from regular flu, I will start to panic with y'all.

1: 27000 people had the flu last year. 27000 people did not die from the flu last year.
2: however, in 2018, over 50,000 people died from flu OR flu-related illness, worldwide.
3: you're choosing whether or not to panic based on faulty information. Good luck. You'll need it.

You usually do a better job with your information. Don Ferguson's post is correct in as far as it goes.
Your statement #1 that 27000 people had the flu last year is astronomically wrong. The CDC does a yearly estimate of the number of clinical cases of influenza per flu season, the last completed one being fall 2018 - spring 2019. The CDC reports (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html) 35 million cases and 34000 deaths that season in the US alone. This year so far has been less severe and seems to be waning.

#2 Worldwide deaths were certainly not 50 thousand. The WHO estimates (https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/influenza-(seasonal)) yearly deaths at 1/2 million a year.

The FL dept of health is reporting about 250 deaths every week from influenza in the state. That's about a thousand a month in Florida. Don's posting that at least for now influenza is a greater real threat is correct. But, coronavirus has the potential to far exceed flu as a killer if it spreads like it did in Wuhan. It is too soon to know how corona will behave.

[Drdoug49]

Ebola vaccine was first used in Africa in 2015 in numbers approaching 25,000. This was a prophylactic shield that slowed and halted the deadly Ebola outbreak

The Ebola vaccine was used in Africa in large numbers starting in 2015, starting the control of the outbreak

[njbchbum]

Health authorities ALWAYS hide the "real facts", especially when Tourism $$$, and other businesses, are affected. It is why there are so many virus epidemics. We are at risk here in TV.. what is being done !!!

What do you want to be done? There is now a 'greeter' at Sam's Club wiping down your cart's handle when you enter.

[Koapaka]

When I first heard of the Corona virus, I was sure that my formerly favorite beer (cerveza) was responsible for this horrendous virus outbreak. I was relieved that I had switched a few years ago to a different brand lite beer.
I have heard that hand sanitizer is getting scarce in the stores due to the hysterical scare, as well as paper face masks. Many are not listening. Paper face masks are for the "sick" to wear, not the healthy. Why do the surgeons wear masks in the operating room and not the patient? See what I mean. Seriously though, if you REALLY need hand sanitizer, try adding rubbing alcohol to aloe vera to make your own. I took it a step further, I immediately rushed to the ABC store, fully expecting a run on my favorite alcoholic beverage of choice, and was relieved to see plenty of it in stock. I have found that by imbibing plenty of strong spirits, I can circumvent worrying about having my hands near my face. Alcohol will kill any virus germs. Thank goodness I was smart enough to think of this before the impending rush to secure alcohol by my fellow Villagers. I felt it my civic duty to pass this valuable information on to you. You are welcome.
Point of fact, I had my last FLU shot in 1970. I have never had the flue that I know of. Could it be my precaution of sanitizing my internals instead of my externals? I believe further study is called for. I will continue to update you on my progress and results. :wine: :beer3:


While I agree with the hysteria this virus has created, PLEASE remember there ARE those that are immune compromised (going thru chemo/radiation therapy) that you MIGHT see wearing a mask for their own protection and rightfully so....PLEASE do not take everyone "wearing a mask" as being an overreactor....some people would be wearing a mask as they tried to live their lives without this virus ever having reared its ugly head.

[WendyS]

The state of Florida is protecting tourism by suppressing information about the virus in Florida. There have been more than a dozen cases in the state - the second largest concentration after New York. There have been two deaths - near Pensacola and Fort Meyers. Why don't we know where the other cases are located? We have an at-risk population in The Villages. We need to have more information. Maybe it is time for The Villages to pressure the Governor to provide more information.

2 in Broward, 1 in Lee & 1 in panhandle

[Two Bills]

2 in Broward, 1 in Lee & 1 in panhandle
Will posters please stop posting facts, it ruins the story!
Thank you. :ho:

[Ameliafay]

Also

Newsroom (https://www.who.int/news-room)

[ColdNoMore]

Time to post this again. :ho:

If Interested in Facts...Poke Here (http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/COVID-19/)

[Texased]

Thank you for traveling to Korea 3 weeks ago and returning here.

:bigbow:

[Texased]

[QUOTE=ColdNoMore;1725542]Kinda. :D

Sorta

[024engine]

There have been 18 thousand deaths in the US this year from the regular flu. Why is everybody panicking?

[golfing eagles]

There have been 18 thousand deaths in the US this year from the regular flu. Why is everybody panicking?

Media

And if you think they're panicking now, wait for the first case in The Villages to show up

[calibantwo]

Page A-6 of the Sunday Daily Sun reported there are 16 cases in Florida and two deaths.

[greenflash245]

of course they are.

[CFrance]

Whether there are 2 cases or 40 cases, would that change how you do anything? I mean really, everyone is aware of it, just take your precautions.
Actually, it would change the way I do things. We have company coming from overseas with youngsters. If I thought there was an outbreak in TV, I certainly would advise them against coming. I also would tend to go out less, and certainly not to restaurants, squares, and other crowd places.

[Lottoguy]

Did the news media shut down 1/3 of the population in Italy?

[graciegirl]

Media

And if you think they're panicking now, wait for the first case in The Villages to show up

You are right as usual, Doc. Expect me to show up in the domestic violence section of the "other" news when I try to put leg irons on my husband to keep him off the golf course. lol.

[justjim]

Doomsayers! So what are you going to do different if they say 9 cases and you say 2 dozen? I think the news media is over hyping the virus and creating panic. You are more likely to die in The Villages in a roundabout between January and April than from the corona virus. Wash your hands regularly, exercise, take your vitamins, and stay out of roundabouts, and you will get through this media scare. There are always virus's. Remember EBOLA 4 years ago and SARS before that. Hospitals spent millions converting special treatment areas that are now storage rooms.

The major news Media is only doing their jobs. Why are some always attacking the media? Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine. The exception is the Internet (social media) - which definitely has “fake news” and actual deliberate false information. Thank God for a free press in this great country. You are correct we will get through this and there is no need to panic, however, our economy is and will receive a hit. BTW, roundabouts are proven safer than traffic lights. I know of no one who has died in a roundabout in The Villages.

[J1ceasar]

There was one each yesterday in Volusa and Broward counties .... 12 people out of 22 million.. You'll have a better chance of dying of a heart attack or golf cart accident this year ...

[Annie66]

In the last week I have read more Horse Beep on here about The Corona Virus than I can stand. I patiently read each and every one of my fellow Villagers Cherished Thoughts and Beliefs on the subject. Somehow it even turned Political. We have opinions from a lot of the Big Spectrum of personal beliefs. I like TOTV'S because of the exchange of ideas.

Without going into detail I happen to be a person who is at high risk, not because of my age. I have picked Dr Mark Siegel on Fox News to listen to. I have decided to read the daily updates from the CDC and read whatever the World Health Organization has to say. I consulted with my primary Doctor and my Pulmonologist and a Dear extremely knowledgeable friend who is a Doctor of the highest caliber here in the Villages but not practicing anymore.

The Summary of all the conversations boil down to Use Your Common Sense. Wash your hand's. Shut out the Horse Pucky that you can accumulate from people who don't have a clue and live your life with the same precautions as you take to prevent getting the flu. When the Vaccine is ready I'll have my Big Azz first in line to get it but until then, don't live in fear. If by chance this doesn't work or I get the Big One and Croak then I went out doing the right thing in the best place. I'm only 61 but if its time its time. I lucky Nucky that I made it this far. (Its a long story)

I really wish for peace and calm amongst my many friends and few foes during this trial in front of us but lets concentrate on the problem and not add to it with Nonsense.

If none of that works then my last option would be: Love potion number 9, The Searchers - YouTube (https://youtu.be/7rXhXLsNJL8)

Well said …. an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Stay healthy.

[ColdNoMore]

There was one each yesterday in Volusa and Broward counties .... 12 people out of 22 million.. You'll have a better chance of dying of a heart attack or golf cart accident this year ...

Given that this is but the very beginning, of what none of us know will end up being the final numbers/tally, I posit that...it's waaay too early to make such pronouncements. :shrug:

[Daxdog]

What ever you hear, what ever anyone tells you it is up to you to take care of yourself, it is the government’s job to protect you, but the government can not protect you from yourself, use common sense and you should be fine. Sure we maybe close to each other here in TV. Take care of yourself and at the same time you will be taking care of your neighbors.

[jswirs]

The state of Florida is protecting tourism by suppressing information about the virus in Florida. There have been more than a dozen cases in the state - the second largest concentration after New York. There have been two deaths - near Pensacola and Fort Meyers. Why don't we know where the other cases are located? We have an at-risk population in The Villages. We need to have more information. Maybe it is time for The Villages to pressure the Governor to provide more information.
If that is the case anyone who is at risk should stay indoors. Everyone else that does not have a weakened immune system will be fine, just use common sense.

[graciegirl]

Given that this is but the very beginning, of what none of us know will end up being the final numbers/tally, I posit that...it's waaay too early to make such pronouncements. :shrug:

I agree with you and I am sure most do, on this statement.

[oldtimes]

For what it's worth, my daughter's neighbor who is a doctor at NIH told her that he expects that there will be many school closings in April.

[golfing eagles]

Given that this is but the very beginning, of what none of us know will end up being the final numbers/tally, I posit that...it's waaay too early to make such pronouncements. :shrug:

So, you can get something right, every now and then:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Barefoot]

... snipped .... wait for the first case in The Villages to show upI don't want to see it happen, but I guess it's inevitable.

[golfing eagles]

I don't want to see it happen, but I guess it's inevitable.

Maybe, maybe not.

These viruses tend to do one of three things:

a) Fizzle out
b) Continue for a while but at a steady rate
c) Grow exponentially.

They all look like they are growing exponentially at the beginning, after all 1-2-4-8-16 is growing at 100% in whatever time frame. But even as more people are infected, the virus starts to run into barriers to continued exponential growth---natural immunity, social and geographic barriers, human intervention such as quarantine, etc. This one seems to have a long prodromal period and a low fatality rate, so it may be around for a while. Contrast this with Ebola, which has a short prodromal period and an extremely high fatality rate, so even in Africa it tends to fizzle out quickly.

[bagboy]

For what it's worth, my daughter's neighbor who is a doctor at NIH told her that he expects that there will be many school closings in April.

:duck: rumor has it at my grandchildrens school is they will probably close in June

[Darield]

I think it is easy to cross over to unnecessary panic. Even if there were 12 cases, at this time, that would be .00005% of the population of Florida. As mentioned in post # 4, there are some safe guards that can be taken and if someone is at high risk as is one of my relatives, then being more cautious is advised. We have family flying in tomorrow and I have no concerns about going to the airport. I have hand sanitizer in the car, and I will use hand sanitizer offered in public places. I will make sure to get lots of rest and personally, I am certainly taking vitamins and herbs that I think will help keep my immune system strong as well as making sure I eat as healthy as possible. Some people think we are over reporting to the point of creating a panic and others believe information is being hidden so really what any of us can do is to do the best we can to stay healthy and those choices will be different for each of us depending on our personal situations.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I just received an e-mail from the Villages Rec & Parks Dept. A generic notice, letting us know they're in communication with the Florida dept of health, and the same standard precautionary advice given in the media; wash hands 20 seconds or more, sneeze into tissue and throw tissue away, avoid sick people, etc.

So the Villages Rec & Park department acknowledges it's a concern. Still no need to panic, but we should all be aware that it is, in fact, a concern, and we do, in fact, need to take precautions more than before this strain of coronavirus existed (coronavirii is not new - just this strain of it).

[wwwson]

The state of Florida is protecting tourism by suppressing information about the virus in Florida. There have been more than a dozen cases in the state - the second largest concentration after New York. There have been two deaths - near Pensacola and Fort Meyers. Why don't we know where the other cases are located? We have an at-risk population in The Villages. We need to have more information. Maybe it is time for The Villages to pressure the Governor to provide more information.

What is this information based on? It sounds more like “let’s fault the governor” than anything based on factual information.

[Byte1]

The major news Media is only doing their jobs. Why are some always attacking the media? Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine. The exception is the Internet (social media) - which definitely has “fake news” and actual deliberate false information. Thank God for a free press in this great country. You are correct we will get through this and there is no need to panic, however, our economy is and will receive a hit. BTW, roundabouts are proven safer than traffic lights. I know of no one who has died in a roundabout in The Villages.

Ironic how you quoted President Lincoln at the bottom of the post. President Lincoln closed down over 300 newspapers in order to censor their opinion. I guess folks have been attacking the media for a long time.

[Drdoug49]

For those of you who think this is a hoax, senator ted Cruz, republican of Texas, is now in self quarantine

[CoachKandSportsguy]

I don't know how to get picture links to show up. . ..
https://twitter.com/iv_technicals/status/1235502605301878784/photo/1

[rickdankert]

Nobody has been more more upfront and open about Covid 19 in FL than Governor De Santis. I suggest you expand your news options past MSDNC or CNNLOL.

[biker1]

Where did you get that from? I don't know anyone who even remotely considers the coronavirus a hoax.

For those of you who think this is a hoax, senator ted Cruz, republican of Texas, is now in self quarantine

[Bonnevie]

The Villages is a community of over 100,000 senior citizens. To say the flu kills more is to downplay the fact that the flu is not a novel virus....the flu shot helps and our continued exposures to flu over the years helps. COVID19 is a novel virus so none of us have a immunity. I would say there is a considerable number of our community with heart disease, diabetes, copd, etc. so more at risk. I shudder to think what the consequences would be if it started spreading here. While I believe in common sense, I also believe in minimizing my risks right now. Should I hear about any cases in The Villages, I will up my vigilance. My hope is that we will be told if there are cases diagnosed here but I'm concerned that news may not be shared because of the potential economic impact.

[biker1]

If you have any evidence of a lack of transparency, or the intention to be non-transparent, by either Federal or State Health Officials then please state the evidence.

The Villages is a community of over 100,000 senior citizens. To say the flu kills more is to downplay the fact that the flu is not a novel virus....the flu shot helps and our continued exposures to flu over the years helps. COVID19 is a novel virus so none of us have a immunity. I would say there is a considerable number of our community with heart disease, diabetes, copd, etc. so more at risk. I shudder to think what the consequences would be if it started spreading here. While I believe in common sense, I also believe in minimizing my risks right now. Should I hear about any cases in The Villages, I will up my vigilance. My hope is that we will be told if there are cases diagnosed here but I'm concerned that news may not be shared because of the potential economic impact.

[Bonnevie]

I said it is MY concern, (as a former govt. employee I have witnessed instances where "facts" have been spun) but I'm not speaking for anyone else. However, I feel there has been ample evidence by the administration to downplay the possible severity of the problem because of the impact on the stock market and to protect some industries.

from a Fox News site: Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of tropical medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, this week warned U.S. lawmakers against minimizing the viruses risk for vulnerable people. During a Congressional hearing, he said the coronavirus “is like the angel of death for older individuals.

per Ron DeSantis: “If you’re elderly or you have a serious, underlying medical condition, don’t get on a cruise ship right now. Don’t get on a long flight where you could be exposed to the virus. Take certain steps to do what they call social distancing,” DeSantis said.

So at least DeSantis is going beyond the party line regarding flying. Although the administration denies it, it has been reported (again even on Fox News) that the CDC recommended all seniors not fly if it could be avoided but the White House did not want to say that (and Pence tweeted that was not true)....it's up to everyone to decide which they believe.
”
heck even Tucker Carlson said this: “People you trust, people you probably voted for, have spent weeks minimizing what is clearly a very serious problem,” Carlson said, later adding, “They’re wrong. The Chinese coronavirus is a major event. It will affect your life, and by the way, it’s definitely not just the flu. In a typical year, the flu in this country has a mortality rate of about 1 in 1000. The overall death rate for this virus, by contrast, is as high as 3.4 percent.”

I'm simply saying that an outbreak here could be devastating....it could easily overwhelm available respirators and ICU beds. Heck the Villages Hospital (per many posts here) has never been a bastion of great care, I can't imagin it over run by critical cases.

but again, I'm motivated by an abundance of caution.

[Kenswing]

For those of you who think this is a hoax, senator ted Cruz, republican of Texas, is now in self quarantine
You're the one who stated that Republicans thought it was a hoax then just went on to prove you were wrong.. Good job.. :coolsmiley:

[CFrance]

This was posted three hours ago. It is a breakdown of covid-19 cases throughout the US. Whoever said Florida is second is wrong.
404 (https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-updates-united-states.htm)

I think the link is not working. Google Where are the Florida covid cases, and it should come up.

Coronavirus in the US: Map, case counts and news | Live Science (https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-updates-united-states.html)

[biker1]

You expressed that your concern was because of economic issues. Saying that there is evidence is not the same as actually providing evidence. Again, please provide evidence, not opinions.

I said it is MY concern, (as a former govt. employee I have witnessed instances where "facts" have been spun) but I'm not speaking for anyone else. However, I feel there has been ample evidence by the administration to downplay the possible severity of the problem because of the impact on the stock market and to protect some industries.

from a Fox News site: Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of tropical medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, this week warned U.S. lawmakers against minimizing the viruses risk for vulnerable people. During a Congressional hearing, he said the coronavirus “is like the angel of death for older individuals.

per Ron DeSantis: “If you’re elderly or you have a serious, underlying medical condition, don’t get on a cruise ship right now. Don’t get on a long flight where you could be exposed to the virus. Take certain steps to do what they call social distancing,” DeSantis said.

So at least DeSantis is going beyond the party line regarding flying. Although the administration denies it, it has been reported (again even on Fox News) that the CDC recommended all seniors not fly if it could be avoided but the White House did not want to say that (and Pence tweeted that was not true)....it's up to everyone to decide which they believe.
”
heck even Tucker Carlson said this: “People you trust, people you probably voted for, have spent weeks minimizing what is clearly a very serious problem,” Carlson said, later adding, “They’re wrong. The Chinese coronavirus is a major event. It will affect your life, and by the way, it’s definitely not just the flu. In a typical year, the flu in this country has a mortality rate of about 1 in 1000. The overall death rate for this virus, by contrast, is as high as 3.4 percent.”

I'm simply saying that an outbreak here could be devastating....it could easily overwhelm available respirators and ICU beds. Heck the Villages Hospital (per many posts here) has never been a bastion of great care, I can't imagin it over run by critical cases.

but again, I'm motivated by an abundance of caution.

[twoplanekid]

Did anyone else watch CNN reporting from Lake Sumter(The Villages - filmed yesterday ?) about the crona virus this afternoon around 3PM (wife viewed it then) . As my wife watches CNN all of the time (I don't) , she says (CNN said) that most people here are not living in fear but enjoying life no matter what comes their way.

Found the news clip -> CNN - Florida retirees say they are going on with normal life amid coronavirus threat | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=533276584056161)

[Nucky]

Did anyone else watch CNN reporting from Lake Sumter about the crona virus this afternoon around 3PM . As my wife watches CNN all of the time (I don't) , she says (CNN said) that most people here are not living in fear but enjoying live no matter what comes their way.

I know you are speaking the truth. I appreciate your post. I was super concerned the first few day but now that some time has passed and information has been shared. Whoever said that at Lake Sumter is/was/will be living longer just from not stressing! Thats not my go to channel but I give them credit for coming to get the story! I'm gonna leave it there! :pray:

[manaboutown]

Well I do not plan to run out and purchase a cemetery lot before the prices go up because demand is so great. However, I am not taking any unnecessary commercial flights as I think it prudent to avoid airports and commercial aircraft at this time. Better safe than sorry. I still go about my daily activities without concern.

[TexaninVA]

The state of Florida is protecting tourism by suppressing information about the virus in Florida. There have been more than a dozen cases in the state - the second largest concentration after New York. There have been two deaths - near Pensacola and Fort Meyers. Why don't we know where the other cases are located? We have an at-risk population in The Villages. We need to have more information. Maybe it is time for The Villages to pressure the Governor to provide more information.

Making unsubstantiated charges like "suppressing" etc simply adds to people's tendency to panic ... not helpful

[CoachKandSportsguy]

If you want a first hand story of a survivor, please read this from a 40 year old

Coronavirus Patient Recounts Coming ‘One Inch From Death’ - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-patient-recounts-coming-one-inch-from-death-11583866316)

Coronavirus Patient Recounts Coming ‘One Inch From Death’ - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-patient-recounts-coming-one-inch-from-death-11583866316)

I am not sure that I want to actually test my body's anti bodies

sportsguy

[CFrance]

If you want a first hand story of a survivor, please read this from a 40 year old

Coronavirus Patient Recounts Coming ‘One Inch From Death’ - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-patient-recounts-coming-one-inch-from-death-11583866316)

Coronavirus Patient Recounts Coming ‘One Inch From Death’ - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-patient-recounts-coming-one-inch-from-death-11583866316)

I am not sure that I want to actually test my body's anti bodies

sportsguy
I tried to read this, but WSJ wouldn't show more than a couple of paragraphs unless I subscribed. Maybe you could paraphrase the article?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Marc Thibault was groggy and surrounded by beeping machines, but he was alert enough to know what it meant when he looked up and saw a priest, wearing protective gear, by his bedside at the Miriam Hospital in Rhode Island.
“Holy cow,” he thought to himself. “I’m 48 years old and I’m getting my last rites.”
Mr. Thibault, one of the first Americans diagnosed with the novel coronavirus, recounted days of pain and fear in his first interview Tuesday, speaking from the intensive-care unit at the Providence hospital where he has been for 13 days, fighting the illness that attacked his lungs.
“I was one inch from death,” he said, his voice weary. “No doubt about it. No doubt about it.”

Roughly 80% of Covid-19 cases tend to be mild or moderate, and more than 62,000 people globally have recovered. Older people or those with underlying health conditions are at a higher risk.
Mr. Thibault’s ordeal began with a much-awaited school trip abroad, a journey to Europe from Feb. 14 to 22 that went through Italy. Two others from the trip also tested positive, although they weren’t hit as hard as Mr. Thibault.

The married father of two is the popular vice principal of student life at San Raphael Academy, a private Catholic school in Pawtucket, a suburb of Providence. He knew travel would expand his students’ minds and was thrilled to chaperone the nine-day adventure that began in Milan and ended in Barcelona.
When the group of 38 people left the U.S., coronavirus was certainly in the news but there “were no cases of community-spread coronavirus in Italy and no CDC travel warning in effect,” the school said in a previous statement.
When the group landed in Milan, Mr. Thibault thought it was strange to see people in hazmat suits in the airport, but everything seemed calm. The group headed to Cinque Terre on the Italian Riviera, and began what would be just two days of sightseeing in Italy.
But just in that short period, he began to hear about Italy cordoning off some towns, and by the time they left for the French Riviera he was relieved to be leaving Italy.
It was apparently too late. Italy would become one of the hardest-hit places for the virus.

A self-described germaphobe, Mr. Thibault isn’t sure exactly how he became infected. He said he used hand sanitizer constantly on the trip. But the group’s local tour guide said he felt like he was coming down with the flu, and he and Mr. Thibault passed a microphone back and forth to talk to the students. Mr. Thibault is unsure if the tour guide ever tested positive.
Mr. Thibault had no symptoms during the trip, but he felt unusually sluggish on the flight back to the U.S.
“Something is wrong,” he told his wife when he finally got home to Rhode Island near midnight on Saturday, Feb. 22. He went straight to bed, and then the next day, went to a walk-in clinic. Mr. Thibault has asthma, but he exercises everyday and said he rarely gets sick.
He said he told the clinic he had been to Italy and wondered aloud if he could have the novel coronavirus. He was told he didn’t fit the criteria at the time for the test because he didn’t really have the symptoms, which can include a fever or shortness of breath.

He stayed home from work, but just got worse, with growing fatigue, a dry cough and something that resembled bronchitis. He went to a hospital but was again told he didn’t meet the criteria for the test, he said.
Doctors there were concerned, however, and Mr. Thibault said he quickly got a call from the Rhode Island Department of Health, which told him to get tested immediately.

A health department spokesman said the agency can’t comment on any specific patient, but noted that the CDC’s guidance for testing has evolved. “We have reviewed each Rhode Island case carefully,” the spokesman said. “In each of those instances, the health-care facilities involved all responded appropriately.”
By later in the week, Mr. Thibault was at the Miriam Hospital, where was admitted. He tested positive for the virus.
He says the virus now hit him “like a hurricane.” He was weak and had trouble breathing. The hospital whisked him into the ICU, where nurses donned hazmat-style suits to enter his room.
They inserted a breathing tube, and put another tube down his throat for medicine to deal with pneumonia that developed in his lungs, he said.
Gagging and coughing, Mr. Thibault said he felt scared. His lungs would fill with saliva and nurses would dash in and clear them out, only to have to do it again two hours later.
“The feeling of choking. That was the worst part,” he said. “You feel like you’re asphyxiating, and you’re panicking because you can’t breathe.”
The agony went on for days.
His wife, and his two children, ages 20 and 15, were unable to visit, lest they become infected, too.
“Just get through the next hour, the next hour, the next hour,” Mr. Thibault told himself. “It’s just one time you quit and then you’re dead.”
Even though he was partially sedated, his mind kept spinning.
Last week, he forced himself to write a note to his wife, telling her that if his lungs collapsed, to not keep him on life support.
“I just didn’t want to have that on my wife’s shoulders. I just didn’t want her to do that,” he said. “I’m glad she never had to read that note.”
Slowly he began to get better. The doctors took out his breathing tube and to his relief, his lungs picked up the pace. When he could speak, he thanked the nurses.
“What these people did for me in that last two weeks, I’m forever indebted to them,” he said.
He said he is “coming through this” and hopes to be able to leave the hospital by the weekend. He said he has turned on the television and caught up on the news of the escalating virus. He is worried some people don’t realize how serious it can be and hopes people are taking the recommended safety steps, from washing hands frequently to staying home when sick, to avoid community spread.
“It almost killed me,” he said. “It’s alarming when I hear people minimize it as a simple cold. It was no simple cold for me.”

[rustyp]

marc thibault was groggy and surrounded by beeping machines, but he was alert enough to know what it meant when he looked up and saw a priest, wearing protective gear, by his bedside at the miriam hospital in rhode island.
“holy cow,” he thought to himself. “i’m 48 years old and i’m getting my last rites.”
mr. Thibault, one of the first americans diagnosed with the novel coronavirus, recounted days of pain and fear in his first interview tuesday, speaking from the intensive-care unit at the providence hospital where he has been for 13 days, fighting the illness that attacked his lungs.
“i was one inch from death,” he said, his voice weary. “no doubt about it. No doubt about it.”

roughly 80% of covid-19 cases tend to be mild or moderate, and more than 62,000 people globally have recovered. Older people or those with underlying health conditions are at a higher risk.
Mr. Thibault’s ordeal began with a much-awaited school trip abroad, a journey to europe from feb. 14 to 22 that went through italy. Two others from the trip also tested positive, although they weren’t hit as hard as mr. Thibault.

The married father of two is the popular vice principal of student life at san raphael academy, a private catholic school in pawtucket, a suburb of providence. He knew travel would expand his students’ minds and was thrilled to chaperone the nine-day adventure that began in milan and ended in barcelona.
When the group of 38 people left the u.s., coronavirus was certainly in the news but there “were no cases of community-spread coronavirus in italy and no cdc travel warning in effect,” the school said in a previous statement.
When the group landed in milan, mr. Thibault thought it was strange to see people in hazmat suits in the airport, but everything seemed calm. The group headed to cinque terre on the italian riviera, and began what would be just two days of sightseeing in italy.
But just in that short period, he began to hear about italy cordoning off some towns, and by the time they left for the french riviera he was relieved to be leaving italy.
It was apparently too late. Italy would become one of the hardest-hit places for the virus.

A self-described germaphobe, mr. Thibault isn’t sure exactly how he became infected. He said he used hand sanitizer constantly on the trip. But the group’s local tour guide said he felt like he was coming down with the flu, and he and mr. Thibault passed a microphone back and forth to talk to the students. Mr. Thibault is unsure if the tour guide ever tested positive.
Mr. Thibault had no symptoms during the trip, but he felt unusually sluggish on the flight back to the u.s.
“something is wrong,” he told his wife when he finally got home to rhode island near midnight on saturday, feb. 22. He went straight to bed, and then the next day, went to a walk-in clinic. Mr. Thibault has asthma, but he exercises everyday and said he rarely gets sick.
He said he told the clinic he had been to italy and wondered aloud if he could have the novel coronavirus. He was told he didn’t fit the criteria at the time for the test because he didn’t really have the symptoms, which can include a fever or shortness of breath.

He stayed home from work, but just got worse, with growing fatigue, a dry cough and something that resembled bronchitis. He went to a hospital but was again told he didn’t meet the criteria for the test, he said.
Doctors there were concerned, however, and mr. Thibault said he quickly got a call from the rhode island department of health, which told him to get tested immediately.

A health department spokesman said the agency can’t comment on any specific patient, but noted that the cdc’s guidance for testing has evolved. “we have reviewed each rhode island case carefully,” the spokesman said. “in each of those instances, the health-care facilities involved all responded appropriately.”
by later in the week, mr. Thibault was at the miriam hospital, where was admitted. He tested positive for the virus.
He says the virus now hit him “like a hurricane.” he was weak and had trouble breathing. The hospital whisked him into the icu, where nurses donned hazmat-style suits to enter his room.
They inserted a breathing tube, and put another tube down his throat for medicine to deal with pneumonia that developed in his lungs, he said.
Gagging and coughing, mr. Thibault said he felt scared. His lungs would fill with saliva and nurses would dash in and clear them out, only to have to do it again two hours later.
“the feeling of choking. That was the worst part,” he said. “you feel like you’re asphyxiating, and you’re panicking because you can’t breathe.”
the agony went on for days.
His wife, and his two children, ages 20 and 15, were unable to visit, lest they become infected, too.
“just get through the next hour, the next hour, the next hour,” mr. Thibault told himself. “it’s just one time you quit and then you’re dead.”
even though he was partially sedated, his mind kept spinning.
Last week, he forced himself to write a note to his wife, telling her that if his lungs collapsed, to not keep him on life support.
“i just didn’t want to have that on my wife’s shoulders. I just didn’t want her to do that,” he said. “i’m glad she never had to read that note.”
slowly he began to get better. The doctors took out his breathing tube and to his relief, his lungs picked up the pace. When he could speak, he thanked the nurses.
“what these people did for me in that last two weeks, i’m forever indebted to them,” he said.
He said he is “coming through this” and hopes to be able to leave the hospital by the weekend. He said he has turned on the television and caught up on the news of the escalating virus. He is worried some people don’t realize how serious it can be and hopes people are taking the recommended safety steps, from washing hands frequently to staying home when sick, to avoid community spread.
“it almost killed me,” he said. “it’s alarming when i hear people minimize it as a simple cold. It was no simple cold for me.”

source ?

[ALadysMom]

People with covid-19 Don't sneeze. It is purely a lung infection. Shopping when the majority of people are not present doesn't prevent infection. The virus remains viable on any surface it is on for 9 to 12 hours. The virus is transmitted on your hands.
Up to 9 DAYS not hours

[ALadysMom]

My then-20 year old son got seriously ill from H1N1 Swine Flu in 2009 and my cousin’s 24 year old daughter died from seasonal influenza in 2018. Both were very healthy and neither had previously ever been hospitalized.

If it severely infects you or your loved ones, it will change the way you think about health and illnesses forever (if you survive) no matter which illness you had.

The population density of seniors in TV and other retirement communities means drastic prevention is needed.

If transmission rates can remain controlled long enough, there may be an effective treatment and eventually possibly even a vaccine.

It would be better to be a live “alarmist” than to be a dead “denier”

BTW did you know Trump’s Grandfather died in the Spanish Flu pandemic?

I wonder if that’s why he seems dismissive about Coronavirus. Coronavirus would seem like a sniffle by comparison to 1918 H1N1 Spanish Flu when hundreds of millions of previously young, healthy people globally were dropping over dead, many within in a matter of hours. Don’t look to any officials to keep you safe. You must take care of yourself. Officials have to walk a very fine line as they try to give factual information without inciting fear and panic. However, if it is you or your loved one who gets severely ill or dies, statistics won’t matter. One will seem like far too many.

Please take this Coronavirus COVID-19 seriously. Use your (understandable) nervous energy to take all the preventative steps you can and check on your friends and neighbors welfare online or by phone. Be prudent by avoiding gatherings & crowds for awhile.

[Joanne and Mike]

The State of Florida Health Department does provide statistics, updated daily, including number of coronavirus confirmed cases by County, number tested, number being monitored, deaths and much more. All you have to do is look at the website: COVID-19 | Florida Department of Health (http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/COVID-19/)

[CFrance]

source ?
Wall Street Journal, March 10, 2020. See post 105. I mentioned that you couldn't open the article unless you were a subscriber, so poster copied and pasted it.

[Koapaka]

Not to mention the MAJORITY of Chinese smoke! ANY respiratory illness and smoking + aged = HUGE RISKS!

[rustyp]

Wall Street Journal, March 10, 2020. See post 105. I mentioned that you couldn't open the article unless you were a subscriber, so poster copied and pasted it.

Thank you

[golfing eagles]

My then-20 year old son got seriously ill from H1N1 Swine Flu in 2009 and my cousin’s 24 year old daughter died from seasonal influenza in 2018. Both were very healthy and neither had previously ever been hospitalized.

If it severely infects you or your loved ones, it will change the way you think about health and illnesses forever (if you survive) no matter which illness you had.

The population density of seniors in TV and other retirement communities means drastic prevention is needed.

If transmission rates can remain controlled long enough, there may be an effective treatment and eventually possibly even a vaccine.

It would be better to be a live “alarmist” than to be a dead “denier”

BTW did you know Trump’s Grandfather died in the Spanish Flu pandemic?

I wonder if that’s why he seems dismissive about Coronavirus. Coronavirus would seem like a sniffle by comparison to 1918 H1N1 Spanish Flu when hundreds of millions of previously young, healthy people globally were dropping over dead, many within in a matter of hours. Don’t look to any officials to keep you safe. You must take care of yourself. Officials have to walk a very fine line as they try to give factual information without inciting fear and panic. However, if it is you or your loved one who gets severely ill or dies, statistics won’t matter. One will seem like far too many.

Please take this Coronavirus COVID-19 seriously. Use your (understandable) nervous energy to take all the preventative steps you can and check on your friends and neighbors welfare online or by phone. Be prudent by avoiding gatherings & crowds for awhile.

More like 17 million worldwide; 500,000 in the US, many among troops fighting WWI in Europe at a time that there were no antibiotics. And not even Ebola can kill you in "a matter of hours", (unless you mean 96-168 hours)

[rockandroller]

"Be prudent by avoiding gatherings & crowds for awhile. "

Good advice.

I intend to do just that until we see the extent of COVID-19 transmission.

[Bonnevie]

The State of Florida Health Department does provide statistics, updated daily, including number of coronavirus confirmed cases by County, number tested, number being monitored, deaths and much more. All you have to do is look at the website: COVID-19 | Florida Department of Health (http://www.floridahealth.gov/diseases-and-conditions/COVID-19/)

I wonder if counties are required to notify the dept. of health.....I'm going to ask at my dr. appt. today.

[golfing eagles]

I wonder if counties are required to notify the dept. of health.....I'm going to ask at my dr. appt. today.

My understanding is that they are reporting definitive and presumptive cases---ie: those who test positive for COVID-19. The lab running the test may very well be under a reporting requirement as well.

[Bonnevie]

so, since there have been no test kits available until now, there could be cases that have not been reported with people just being told to self isolate.

[golfing eagles]

so, since there have been no test kits available until now, there could be cases that have not been reported with people just being told to self isolate.

Yes, and there could be cases that were just diagnosed as influenza A or B, or there could people with just mild symptoms that never sought medical attention, or there could be asymptomatic carriers, or there could be people who just arrived here 6 hours ago, or, or ,or...….

Bottom line---just follow CDC recommendations and don't panic. BTW, nobody needs to stock 12,000 rolls of toilet paper (except maybe the guy in front of Katie Belle's)

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Wall street Journal, a copy and paste from the prior link which is behind a paywall,
also where a colleague of my wife is the CNO, Chief Nursing officer.

click on the link in my prior post if you would like to see the beginning of the article or read it yourself if you have a subscription

[ALadysMom]

More like 17 million worldwide; 500,000 in the US, many among troops fighting WWI in Europe at a time that there were no antibiotics. And not even Ebola can kill you in "a matter of hours", (unless you mean 96-168 hours)

According to Smithsonian Magazine, “ the (1918 Spanish Flu) pandemic lasted just 15 months but was the deadliest disease outbreak in human history, killing between 50 million and 100 million people worldwide, according to the most widely cited analysis. An exact global number is unlikely ever to be determined, given the lack of suitable records in much of the world at that time.“
500 million deaths are shown on Wikipedia. 1918 Spanish Flu infected young healthy people VERY rapidly. Smithsonian quoted a health official treating people at the time, “It is only a matter of a few hours then until death comes.” It has an incubation period estimated to have been just 2-5 days. Coronovirus isn’t nearly as quick nor as lethal as Spanish Flu. That was my point.

We are fortunate because Coronovirus has a longer incubation period, is less often deadly and appears to affect a smaller segment of the population.

But Coronovirus has worse effects in people over 60 and those with pre-existing conditions, including those with asthma, diabetes and other ailments.

So, How many people in TV are over 60 and/or have a pre-existing condition? Almost everyone. That’s the problem.

[kathyspear]

Cruisers take note:

by Freida Frisaro, The Associated Press, March 10, 2020

MIAMI (AP) — Three employees of a company that greets cruise ship passengers in Florida have tested positive for the new coronavirus, state health officials said Tuesday, urging anyone who recently traveled through Port Everglades to isolate themselves for 14 days if they start experiencing symptoms.

The Florida Department of Health confirmed the company connection in a news release that also said a 69-year-old woman who tested positive for COVID-19 is the fourth Broward County resident, and third employee of Metro Cruise Services, to have the virus.

The health department advisory asks anyone who passed through the port in Fort Lauderdale to isolate themselves and contact their county health department or health care provider if they start experiencing symptoms of the virus, which includes a cough, fever and shortness of breath.

That conforms with new guidelines issued Monday by the CDC, which advises recent cruise passengers to monitor their health for 14 days, immediately self-isolate if they experience symptoms, and contact medical professionals for treatment.

For most people, the new coronavirus causes only mild or moderate symptoms, but it can cause more severe illness including pneumonia in older adults and people with existing health problems. The vast majority of people recover from the new virus within weeks.

Swift-moving developments over the new coronavirus ricocheted across Florida’s Capitol as Gov. Ron DeSantis declared a state of emergency Monday and lawmakers disrupted their legislative session so crews in surgical gowns could swab down the House chambers. DeSantis said his declaration would enable Florida to better marshal resources and get outside help as it confronts the growing public health crisis.

Health officials are trying to connect with all employees of Metro Cruise Services who may have come into contact with the three infected co-workers. The agency announced earlier that three Broward County men, ages 65, 67 and 75, had tested positive; the news release didn't specify which of these men are the other two company employees.

Two cruise ships that left from Fort Lauderdale — the Regal Princess and the Caribbean Princess — were later issued “no sail" orders by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention after crew members who had possibly been exposed on a California ship were tested.

The Regal Princess eventually docked at the port late Sunday and passengers were able to leave the ship. The Caribbean Princess stopped briefly in Grand Cayman on Monday to pick up test kits for two crew members. The ship is sailing off Florida's coast until it gets the all clear.

Also, late Monday, state health officials reported that a 60-year-old Volusia County woman tested positive, bringing the state's total to 20. Of those, two people have died. Fourteen of the 20 cases were diagnosed in Florida and five in another state, officials said. In addition, a California resident, now under self-isolation in Florida, has tested positive.

[kathy1516]

The scare tactics over this virus is insane! It’s a bad flu not the plague! Common sense is all that’s needed. Wash your hands, sneeze into your elbow, cover your mouth for a cough. People are blowing this way way out of proportion. If you have underlying illness, stay away from crowds. Use common sense.

[daddymac1127]

Another case of Fake News?

[Bogie Shooter]

Another case of Fake News?

Hard to tell, most other accused cases of “fake news” were proven wrong.

[mulligan]

This would be a great time to prohibit ALL rentals in the villages.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

The real answer is to flood our senators and congress representatives with complaints so that congress senators and reps feel that their jobs are threatened if they don't actually stand up and make some decisions for the people

[golfing eagles]

The real answer is to flood our senators and congress representatives with complaints so that congress senators and reps feel that their jobs are threatened if they don't actually stand up and make some decisions for the people

Such as...…..??????

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The real answer is to flood our senators and congress representatives with complaints so that congress senators and reps feel that their jobs are threatened if they don't actually stand up and make some decisions for the people

One of them has nothing better to do these days - since he's under quarantine for the virus.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The scare tactics over this virus is insane! It’s a bad flu not the plague! Common sense is all that’s needed. Wash your hands, sneeze into your elbow, cover your mouth for a cough. People are blowing this way way out of proportion. If you have underlying illness, stay away from crowds. Use common sense.

It's not the flu, bad or otherwise. Do not sneeze into your elbow, sneeze into a tissue. And then throw the tissue away, and wash your hands again. When you cover your mouth for a cough, cover it with a tissue. Then throw the tissue away, and wash your hands again.

Not to keep YOU from getting sick - but to keep everyone else from catching WHATEVER it is you have.

If you have underlying illness and stay away from crowds, make sure you know plenty of people who can do all your chores for you - and plenty of money to pay for it all.

[colleen1946]

Our country, and the entire world for that matter, is already in a state of stress and confusion without people throwing out statements that have no merit and only create more panic! We don't need "opinions" right now. What we need is truth and fact! Listen to the experts and professionals not the "arm chair quarterbacks."

[Henryk]

Health authorities ALWAYS hide the "real facts", especially when Tourism $$$, and other businesses, are affected. It is why there are so many virus epidemics. We are at risk here in TV.. what is being done !!!
I disagree. Do you have any source? Otherwise, nonsense.

[bagboy]

The real answer is to flood our senators and congress representatives with complaints so that congress senators and reps feel that their jobs are threatened if they don't actually stand up and make some decisions for the people

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Byte1]

This would be a great time to prohibit ALL rentals in the villages.

How would you enforce that? Rentals are privately owned homes. Are you going to declare martial law and do away with all Constitutional rights? Or, are you just being facetious?

[Barefoot]

Coronovirus has worse effects in people over 60 and those with pre-existing conditions, including those with asthma, diabetes and other ailments.
How many people in TV are over 60 and/or have a pre-existing condition? Almost everyone. That’s the problem.I dread the day the first case is confirmed in The Villages. :ohdear:
Panic will be inevitable.

[Love2Swim]

Another case of Fake News?

Hopefully you're kidding.:pray:

[billethkid]

I dread the day the first case is confirmed in The Villages. :ohdear:
Panic will be inevitable.

Hopefully the more clear minds will prevail.
We could all just stay home for 30-60 days.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

So far a whopping 0.0013043478260869566% of Florida's population has been identified as having the virus.

[Bonnevie]

So far a whopping 0.0013043478260869566% of Florida's population has been identified as having the virus.

yeah, that's what they said in Italy as they went about their lives.

The first cases of the 2019–20 coronavirus in Italy were confirmed on 31 January 2020, when two Chinese tourists in Rome tested positive for coronavirus disease 2019, caused by SARS-CoV-2.[2] A week later, an Italian man repatriated back to Italy from the city of Wuhan, China, was hospitalised and confirmed to be the third case of the 2019–20 coronavirus in Italy.[3] A cluster of cases were later detected, starting with 16 confirmed cases in Lombardy on 21 February.[4] An additional 60 cases occurred on 22 February,[5] and Italy's first deaths were reported on the same day.

As of 12 March, among nations with at least one million citizens, Italy has the world's highest per capita rate of positive coronavirus cases at 206.1 cases per million people

[CoachKandSportsguy]

a lot of the spread in Italy to the elderly was from the grandkids visiting them.

Just a though for prevention

[billethkid]

Add to the list of do and don't.
Stop watching 24/7 news reporting.
They have very much time to fill and will get opinions from far too many that add little or no value.
Their goal is to keep the pot boiling and keep you glued to their channel.
We have friends who have it on every waking moment.

Give your emotion and well being a break....TURN IT OFF.

[GoodLife]

a lot of the spread in Italy to the elderly was from the grandkids visiting them.

Just a though for prevention

Many Italians in Northern Italy sold their leather goods and textiles companies to China. Italy then allowed 100,000 Chinese from Wuhan/Wenzhou to move to Italy to work in these factories, with direct Wuhan flights. Result: Northern Italy is Europe’s hotspot for Wuhan Coronavirus. Click map below and draw your own conclusions.

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