Am I the only one...

[Gpsma]

That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.

[retiredguy123]

You are not the only one. I am concerned that what they are doing to distroy the economy will end up causing more deaths than the virus will. Also, there doesn't seem to be anyone who is controlling or guiding the overall situation or plan of action. Who is in charge?

[mixsonci]

I agree, mass hysteria and panic, everyone is buying into

[billethkid]

Politicians are not decision makers in the same sense that business and everyday folks.
They have too many "beholding" considerations that affect what they do/say.
Hence their decision may not have anything to with right or wrong or do that which is best.

[perrjojo]

That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.
No, you are not the only one and that is why the virus continues to spread.

[Gpsma]

No, you are not the only one and that is why the virus continues to spread.

And your medical degree came from what university? The Bill Gates School of Internet Medicine?

The internet has fueled this hysteria. Has fueled this panic.

Yes, people will be sick. Unfortinately, some will die.

But the truth will be told...politicians, the media, and social media has blown this out of proportion

[Marathon Man]

And your medical degree came from what university? The Bill Gates School of Internet Medicine?

The internet has fueled this hysteria. Has fueled this panic.

Yes, people will be sick. Unfortinately, some will die.

But the truth will be told...politicians, the media, and social media has blown this out of proportion

That is opinion, not truth. This is exactly the attitude that will cause the visus to be spread. We have an opportunity to avoid what Italy is going through. However, those who refuse to participate in the effort is a real problem.

[npwalters]

No you aren't the only one.

[Villageswimmer]

No, you are not the only one and that is why the virus continues to spread.

Amen. I note that some of your very vocal compadres have gone off the grid. And one doesn’t need a medical degree to see what’s happening in the world. Some, who act as experts, may have caused carelessness. Carelessness we cannot afford. Carelessness that can result in death.

People who use caution are not chicken littles as they’ve been called on this forum. Caution is not panic.

[Gpsma]

Amen. I note that some of your very vocal compadres have gone off the grid. And one doesn’t need a medical degree to see what’s happening in the world. Some, who act as experts, may have caused carelessness. Carelessness we cannot afford. Carelessness that can result in death.

People who use caution are not chicken littles as they’ve been called on this forum. Caution is not panic.

Is Caution buying up loads of toilet paper? Is caution cleaning out the shelves of Publix and Walmart?

No, that is panic and hysteria.

[Aces4]

Is Caution buying up loads of toilet paper? Is caution cleaning out the shelves of Publix and Walmart?

No, that is panic and hysteria.

In your eyes...

Critical thinking will allow most people to process the fact that restaurants are closed other than some which provide carry outs. One must realize people who seldom or occasionally eat at home are now grocery shopping, using products in their home in larger quanities. Stores were not prepared for the change in purchasing habits. Did people really expect nothing to change when The Villagers had to stay home? Perhaps the hysteria is in the failure to absorb that fact.

[DON10E]

Methinks Darwin is watching and waiting.

[Gpsma]

In your eyes...

Critical thinking will allow most people to process the fact that restaurants are closed other than some which provide carry outs. One must realize people who seldom or occasionally eat at home are now grocery shopping, using products in their home in larger quanities. Stores were not prepared for the change in purchasing habits. Did people really expect nothing to change when The Villagers had to stay home? Perhaps the hysteria is in the failure to absorb that fact.

Guess they are eating home so much that a couple in TV need 100 rolls of toilet paper?

Dont talk about “facts”....this is nothing more than speculation and hysterical fear.

No proof yet this will be worse than H1N1 or a bad flu season.

[Aces4]

Guess they are eating home so much that a couple in TV need 100 rolls of toilet paper?

Dont talk about “facts”....this is nothing more than speculation and hysterical fear.

No proof yet this will be worse than H1N1 or a bad flu season.

Facts, yes, facts are difficult for some people. It should occur to the observer that a couple with one hundred rolls of toilet paper may have mental issues or are selling them online for profit. Most of us know the average persons here are not hoarding 100 rolls of TP.

Having relatives in Italy would probably help the doubting Thomases.

[DianeM]

I bet all the people who died in Italy had the same impression.

While the panic buying of toilet paper is ridiculous, 149 countries have people dying of this virus. It can’t all be hype.

[Velvet]

Facts, yes, facts are difficult for some people. It should occur to the observer that a couple with one hundred rolls of toilet paper may have mental issues or are selling them online for profit. Most of us know the average persons here are not hoarding 100 rolls of TP.

Having relatives in Italy would probably help the doubting Thomases.

Or, is it possible, just possible, that people are buying too much stuff so that they don’t have to go shopping soon again? And expose themselves unnecessarily?

Perhaps it is not hysteria or panic just planning for the unknown. But when there are fights over it at the supermarket.... now that takes it to another level.

[retiredguy123]

Or, is it possible, just possible, that people are buying too much stuff so that they don’t have to go shopping soon again? And expose themselves unnecessarily?

Perhaps it is not hysteria or panic just planning for the unknown. But when there are fights over it at the supermarket.... now that takes it to another level.
I agree. It is just human nature. Some people are savers and some are spenders. I always have plenty of non-perishable items like water, toilet paper, paper towels, shampoo, toothpaste, etc. But, I don't consider myself to be a hoarder, just well prepared. It's good planning.

[Aces4]

Or, is it possible, just possible, that people are buying too much stuff so that they don’t have to go shopping soon again? And expose themselves unnecessarily?

Perhaps it is not hysteria or panic just planning for the unknown. But when there are fights over it at the supermarket.... now that takes it to another level.

A two week supply is recommended, over and above is hoarding if dealing with food stuffs. Are you seeing fights in the supermarkets here? Some areas of the country are prone to that type of behavior, fear exacerbates the problem.

[DONS999]

The Globex market opened at 6pm tonight and with 10 minutes it reached the circuit beakers and closed. At 9:30 Monday it will open again and the crash will continue.

Our politicians and media are causing a panic with a treatment that will end up being worst than the sickness

the 401s will be half of February's value and I don't have 10 years for them to come back

[tophcfa]

That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.

Well, who really knows? Many people who were claiming about three weeks ago that everyone was overreacting, are now hypricotally saying that we should have done more sooner? Go figure, only time will tell.

[JudyLife]

That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.
Ok and you think Italy, Spain are what - faking it?! You are lucky you are in an open area such as TV. But this virus will creep in there as time goes by unfortunately. No one is exempt. Not hysteria, not hype, not exaggeration. FACT.

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

Facts, yes, facts are difficult for some people. It should occur to the observer that a couple with one hundred rolls of toilet paper may have mental issues or are selling them online for profit. Most of us know the average persons here are not hoarding 100 rolls of TP.

Having relatives in Italy would probably help the doubting Thomases.
I think 200 roles should be standard supply

[noslices1]

The “average” person is also NOT buying 20 cases of water, or 20 bottles of hand sanitizer, or five bundles of 24 paper towels, but the ones that are, for their own use, are causing this hysteria.

[Drdoug49]

The deniers can become super spreaders, look at Italy, compare them to Korea andHong Kong who took aggressive actions. Those countries enforced social distancing while Florida left the beaches and restaurants open too long

[jswirs]

That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.
No, you are not the only one, I couldn't agree with you more. This is all hyped up by the news media. In the flu season of 2017-2018, 80,000 people in the US died from the flu. I didn't see any businesses closing, no social distancing, etc. Most people who have contracted the covid 19 virus recover from it, something like 80% recovery rate. Most folks that do not recover are, yes, elderly, BUT, they already have underlying health conditions. Seniors that are healthy are not at anymore of a risk than anyone else. The news media will not tell the true facts, they only expand on how dangerous this is, causing panic and hysteria. Anyone who is living in fear of the virus puts themselves at a greater risk, as fear and the accompanying stress weakens the immune system. My sources are from the NYT and Market Watch.

[speedo8357]

That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.

I agree. Fact: there are ~ 16K confirmed cases in US. Ten years ago there were over 60 million cases of Swine flu. Yet I have friends — contemporaries of mine age wise — that do not even remember the Swine flu pandemic! While I am heeding advice — socially distancing, extra cleanliness precautions, etc., I cannot help but feel this is a run away train fueled by the media.

[MOMOH]

I'm immuno-suppressed due to a transplant, and have a-fib and a pacemaker. I live alone, and have been self-quarantining for almost two weeks because I'm afraid that if I get sick..that will be IT! I didn't hoard toilet paper, but I'm ok for now. What happens when I'm NOT ok with toilet paper? My neighbors are kindly shopping for me, and I won't want to ask them to go from store to store for this basic need. What can we do to get back to normal so that someone can walk into a store and just buy what they need?

[Cubnut]

You could not be more wrong. How could you be so oblivious to worldwide reporters and top scientists warnings. Of course people are overreacting about to etc, but if you are not. Cleaning and isolating yourself you are risking yourself and others.

[coalminer]

Nows your chance to bet your life on your opinion. Go out, mingle with other non believers, just stay the hell away from me.

[wilkinson]

We have to be careful to separate fact from opinion. It is a fact that even in TV we have the effects of media hysteria - the hording of TP and paper towels. Why that is happening is my opinion is that the media deliver the news with an emphasis and tone of voice of "we don't know how bad this will become." A fact is that the grocery shelves in TV are hard to keep up with stocking is partly due to people not buying food at restaurants so they are buying food for home. I am an efficiency consultant for companies like Proctor & Gamble and Gillette - I'd love to hear your opinion of how this panic, real or imagined, is adversely affecting the efficiency of our supply chains. Your thoughts, please?

[Joanne19335]

Ok and you think Italy, Spain are what - faking it?! You are lucky you are in an open area such as TV. But this virus will creep in there as time goes by unfortunately. No one is exempt. Not hysteria, not hype, not exaggeration. FACT.

A Villager was admitted to hospital in Leesburg with COVID-19. It has hit America’s Friendliest Hometown.” God help us all.

[golfing eagles]

A Villager was admitted to hospital in Leesburg with COVID-19. It has hit America’s Friendliest Hometown.” God help us all.

That's certainly possible, maybe even likely.

However, how do you know this????

Are you an admitting clerk at Leesburg Hospital?
Or did you violate HIPPA and hack the medical records of patients at that hospital?

Unless there is an official statement regarding this, it is merely rumor

[stadry]

anyone else see this ? evidently gates was talking in 2015/16 about a pandemic,,,
We’re Not Ready for the Next Epidemic | Bill Gates (https://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/We-Are-Not-Ready-for-the-Next-Epidemic)

[xNYer]

it was on the Village News website.

[Fastskiguy]

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts


I sure hope you're right but outbreaks worsen exponentially and we're in the early stages.

There are 5 ways this can play out

-virus "just dies out" like influenza....possible but certainly isn't happening yet
-vaccine or cure is developed.....looking at a year, maybe more
-eradication...like polio (of course, we had a vaccine in the fight v polio)
-most of the population gets over a long timeframe so as to not overwhelm our healthcare
-or....most of the population gets it all at once and we end up like Italy <-avoid this!!

It's a fact that the death rate is higher in older people and...... we're living in geezer central, right?

If only 1/2 of us in TV get it and if only 2% die that's still 5000 of us buying the farm in the next few months.

Like I said, I hope you're right and this is an overreaction but, personally, I'm taking it seriously.

[dcurrie947]

No, you are not alone in your thinking. The economic impact of this mess is going to be incredible. We are trying to figure out the real reason for whats going on if we will ever know.

[rbrooks817]

With the number of inflections doubling daily you obviously don't have a clue as to our current situation. Unfortunately, you are not the only one, you and too many other nonbelievers will be responsible for spreading the disease and killing us.

[Buddy134]

Stores could limit quantities on anything but for some reason (maybe $), they have not done so. Sad.

[Nannyof3]

We are not panicking but we are taking this thing seriously, as we all should.
Many people thought it was all hype but just look at Seattle, NYC, Italy. This is not hype, it’s real. We don’t have to rush to the market and buy up all the bread, milk and TP in the store. We are mostly 1-2 person households, how much can we use?
Most Villagers are kind and generous its only a small percentage that put themselves first. We will never change them.
Stay safe, be careful and be kind to one another

[JoelJohnson]

How many people here in the US have to die before you believe the pandemic is real?

[Deebee007]

Sure you can. Volunteer to take over and provide solutions.

[Deebee007]

And of course, blaming and name calling. That'll fix everything....NOT.

[Spalumbos62]

Amen. I note that some of your very vocal compadres have gone off the grid. And one doesn’t need a medical degree to see what’s happening in the world. Some, who act as experts, may have caused carelessness. Carelessness we cannot afford. Carelessness that can result in death.

People who use caution are not chicken littles as they’ve been called on this forum. Caution is not panic.

Yes, but caution doesn't mean panic....for the love of god, go to the store once a week or so and get your eggs, milk,fruit, cereal and 4pk of tp. Then do it again next week. In between, stay inside, watch netflix,play cards and clean a darn closet. Do not run to the store and buy out all the supplies and just generally add to the mass hysteria.
Just don't be greedy...be smart.

[jswirs]

We have to be careful to separate fact from opinion. It is a fact that even in TV we have the effects of media hysteria - the hording of TP and paper towels. Why that is happening is my opinion is that the media deliver the news with an emphasis and tone of voice of "we don't know how bad this will become." A fact is that the grocery shelves in TV are hard to keep up with stocking is partly due to people not buying food at restaurants so they are buying food for home. I am an efficiency consultant for companies like Proctor & Gamble and Gillette - I'd love to hear your opinion of how this panic, real or imagined, is adversely affecting the efficiency of our supply chains. Your thoughts, please?
It is reasonable to think that the folks who frequent restaurants on a regular basis will now make use of the take out and delivery service that is available. To me, it is unreasonable to think that all those that eat out will now purchase all supplies necessary and do nothing but cook at home. Certainly some will do so, by I think the majority of folks that have become used to having others prepare their meals will not go to the trouble of home cooking when take out and delivery is readily available.
I have seen this condition go from concern to worry and now even to panic. And there is no reason for it, there is no shortage of anything in the supply chain. Use common sense, don't touch anything you don't have to, keep a reasonable distance from others, wash your hands more frequently and for at least 20 seconds and keep your hands away from your face. Do that and purchase items as you normally would. There is no reason to hoard.

[Misky1951]

That is opinion, not truth. This is exactly the attitude that will cause the visus to be spread. We have an opportunity to avoid what Italy is going through. However, those who refuse to participate in the effort is a real problem.

Well said!

[Yukon9]

Tell that to all those who are sick and those that have died.

[billethkid]

I sure hope you're right but outbreaks worsen exponentially and we're in the early stages.

There are 5 ways this can play out

-virus "just dies out" like influenza....possible but certainly isn't happening yet
-vaccine or cure is developed.....looking at a year, maybe more
-eradication...like polio (of course, we had a vaccine in the fight v polio)
-most of the population gets over a long timeframe so as to not overwhelm our healthcare
-or....most of the population gets it all at once and we end up like Italy <-avoid this!!

It's a fact that the death rate is higher in older people and...... we're living in geezer central, right?

If only 1/2 of us in TV get it and if only 2% die that's still 5000 of us buying the farm in the next few months.

Like I said, I hope you're right and this is an overreaction but, personally, I'm taking it seriously.

150,000 divided by 2 = 75,000 X .02 = 1500 .......still a very big number that needs attention to be taken seriously. There is just no need to gamble when the recommended actions are so basic.

Yes the lifestyle will be interrupted temporarily...death is forever...such a small price to pay.

[cjuneprice]

Seriously???? Wake up TV! We were down there renting last winter and have never met such an arrogant group of people. Go ahead, ignore the facts, guess you are all invincible in your little closed minded bubble.

[golfing eagles]

Seriously???? Wake up TV! We were down there renting last winter and have never met such an arrogant group of people. Go ahead, ignore the facts, guess you are all invincible in your little closed minded bubble.

Well, I guess you aren't planning on moving here. I'm devastated:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[billethkid]

Seriously???? Wake up TV! We were down there renting last winter and have never met such an arrogant group of people. Go ahead, ignore the facts, guess you are all invincible in your little closed minded bubble.

What a nice first post!!!!
Smells like bait.
And oh by the way to be more accurate, there are SOME....but I doubt the negative blasting of TV has no need for accuracy.

[davem4616]

when the going gets tough, the tough get going

I too sense that what is going on is absolutely crazy....

Once again, we have people taking action based on no real information, on little information or on misinformation

the media certainly isn't helping...and social media is basically a rumor mill

Our elected officials are reinforcing that they are really not leaders...but slick talkers pandering to the lobby $$$

but, this too will pass and we'll eventually settle down into a new normal

let's just be kind to one another

Just saying

[Lisa C]

I understand and respect people being cautious and buying a few extra supplies. However, I'm just a single mom, trying to buy some groceries to feed my family. I've been to several grocery stores EVERY day and can barely find enough food for a few days. Caution=good. PANIC=RIDICULOUS

[ColdNoMore]

Nows your chance to bet your life on your opinion. Go out, mingle with other non believers, just stay the hell away from me.

:bigbow:

[riamd1954]

Agree

[merrymini]

Not the only one, however, I feel the stores, when seeing the panic buying should limit tp to two packages a purchase so everyone who actually NEEDS tp can have a chance to purchase it. Same with water. You cannot control stupidity in people but you can set some ground rules they did not do this. I am glad to see that costco and publix will not accept returns on these products. Finally, some common sense.

[dennisgavin]

In your eyes...

Critical thinking will allow most people to process the fact that restaurants are closed other than some which provide carry outs. One must realize people who seldom or occasionally eat at home are now grocery shopping, using products in their home in larger quanities. Stores were not prepared for the change in purchasing habits. Did people really expect nothing to change when The Villagers had to stay home? Perhaps the hysteria is in the failure to absorb that fact.

whether you eat at home or a restaurant doesn't change your bathroom habits. The TP hoarding is pathetic. Getting to close to running out here.THANKS HOARDERS!

[jarodrig]

That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous panicking over TP.

That’s because those people have a ****ty outlook in life !!!! ;)

[Villagesgal]

I'm immuno-suppressed due to a transplant, and have a-fib and a pacemaker. I live alone, and have been self-quarantining for almost two weeks because I'm afraid that if I get sick..that will be IT! I didn't hoard toilet paper, but I'm ok for now. What happens when I'm NOT ok with toilet paper? My neighbors are kindly shopping for me, and I won't want to ask them to go from store to store for this basic need. What can we do to get back to normal so that someone can walk into a store and just buy what they need?

Are you serious about what do you do when you run out of toilet paper????? You take a shower after pooping, or use a washcloth, soap and water, or use newspaper and throw it out in a dedicated garbage bag. Remember hand washing diapers and baby bottoms before baby wipes, messy, but worked just fine. What do you think people did before toilet paper????
Seriously people, think and don't panic.

[meridian5850]

In your eyes...

Critical thinking will allow most people to process the fact that restaurants are closed other than some which provide carry outs. One must realize people who seldom or occasionally eat at home are now grocery shopping, using products in their home in larger quanities. Stores were not prepared for the change in purchasing habits. Did people really expect nothing to change when The Villagers had to stay home? Perhaps the hysteria is in the failure to absorb that fact.

They're not pooping any more than usual.....

[pamhobbs]

You are out of your freaking mind!i

[rsibole]

That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.

During these times, there are only two things to worry about
Are you sick or well. If you’re well there’s nothing to worry about. If you’re sick there’s only two things to worry about. Either you will live or die. If you get well there’s nothing to worry about. If you die, there’s only two things to worry about. Either you will go to Heaven or Hell. If you go to Heaven there’s nothing to worry about. But if you go to Hell you’ll be so busy shaking hands with all your former Villages friends you won’t have time to worry. . . . . so, there’s nothing to worry about.

[togabill]

And this is the problem. Follow the experts. Those are not fake bodies the Italian military is taking out of the city hospitals.

[Brownmoose13]

Just trying to understand....according to the CDC since the flu season began, approximately October 1 there has been 38 Million with the flu, 390,000 hospitalized and 23,000 have died. That is 1,000 per week that have died but I wonder why the media does not mention these numbers. The numbers they quote are thru March 14.

[golfing eagles]

Are you serious about what do you do when you run out of toilet paper????? You take a shower after pooping, or use a washcloth, soap and water, or use newspaper and throw it out in a dedicated garbage bag. Remember hand washing diapers and baby bottoms before baby wipes, messy, but worked just fine. What do you think people did before toilet paper????
Seriously people, think and don't panic.

True, but why should anyone have to do that because of the entitled, selfish hoarders?
And what will be said if all laundry detergent is hoarded? Or water? Or milk and eggs?

[Topspinmo]

In your eyes...

Critical thinking will allow most people to process the fact that restaurants are closed other than some which provide carry outs. One must realize people who seldom or occasionally eat at home are now grocery shopping, using products in their home in larger quanities. Stores were not prepared for the change in purchasing habits. Did people really expect nothing to change when The Villagers had to stay home? Perhaps the hysteria is in the failure to absorb that fact.

So that causes the to shyt more?:ohdear:

[golfing eagles]

Just trying to understand....according to the CDC since the flu season began, approximately October 1 there has been 38 Million with the flu, 390,000 hospitalized and 23,000 have died. That is 1,000 per week that have died but I wonder why the media does not mention these numbers. The numbers they quote are thru March 14.

Yes, and 617,425 have died from all other causes. The media won't mention it because it distracts from the panic and hysteria, and doesn't help their agenda, which I believe is a 3 part show:
1) convince everyone how horrible this is
2) convince everyone it was mismanaged
3) blame the president

This is serious, and deserves the media attention, but in a factual and unbiased way. I don't remember anything like this with the swine flu of 2009.

[ts12755]

I agree. Let the virus run its course. Make temporary hospitals. We may lose a huge number of folks 65 and older, and those already very sick. But the strong will servive.

[Bowtorc]

Really?

[HeyGeorge]

Are we entering a society based on socialism? The government is telling us when we can leave our homes and when we must return! The government is some states is dictating who will get treated and who won't (hint - if you're over 60 and live in Washington State, you might not get treated). The government is telling business owners how to run their businesses. Our government has told us when we can swim, where we can socialize etc.

Socialistic society have two weapons to control the population - force and/or fear - are we succumbing to the latter! If you fear the current situation, then by all means self-quarantine. If not, we shouldn't let the government dictate to us!

(how many flames will I get for this?)

[MarvM]

"Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control."

If this was true, everything you said before it would not be happening !!!!!!!!

[Love2Swim]

Just trying to understand....according to the CDC since the flu season began, approximately October 1 there has been 38 Million with the flu, 390,000 hospitalized and 23,000 have died. That is 1,000 per week that have died but I wonder why the media does not mention these numbers. The numbers they quote are thru March 14.

You do realize that half of the population in this country has been immunized against the flow and there are still deaths. With the coronavirus no one has been immunized therefore the number of deaths could be 10 fold. And experts have said that this virus is much more contagious than the flu. Frankly I think it is more productive to listen to the experts rather than people on social media burying their heads in the sand.

[saratogaman]

For the real news X22report, And We Know... Military planning at it's finest (12+years) WWG1WGA!

CAREFUL: it's a site loaded with conspiracy theories and hides the identity of its owner. Now why would it do that?

[jswirs]

How many people here in the US have to die before you believe the pandemic is real?
I don't know the answer to your question, but in the flu season of 2017 -2018 80,000 people died from influenza in the US. We're far from that number and we may get there, but maybe we will never reach that number either. This is not a time to worry or panic, it is a time to use common sense.

[Bill1701]

when I moved here several years ago, I expected to deal with a more mature group of people. Instead, it is like junior high school all over again.

[Cvhowes]

This becomes real when you have a 51 year old son, whose a father, brother and husband fighting to breathe and in pain....going to bed every night wondering if he will wake up in the night unable to breathe at all and knowing until he needs a respirator he's on his own.
I'm so tired of people not recognizing the facts that are given to us by REAL medical professionals that this is much more contagious than the flu and because of people thinking they are smarter than the professionals and selfishly cavalier (choosing my words carefully) the numbers will surpass any flu season. And they are putting others at risk and helping to tank our economy.
Fearful of these.....

[jswirs]

Are we entering a society based on socialism? The government is telling us when we can leave our homes and when we must return! The government is some states is dictating who will get treated and who won't (hint - if you're over 60 and live in Washington State, you might not get treated). The government is telling business owners how to run their businesses. Our government has told us when we can swim, where we can socialize etc.

Socialistic society have two weapons to control the population - force and/or fear - are we succumbing to the latter! If you fear the current situation, then by all means self-quarantine. If not, we shouldn't let the government dictate to us!

(how many flames will I get for this?)
You make excellent points. This is what I worry about, not some virus.

[Boilerman]

You do realize that half of the population in this country has been immunized against the flow and there are still deaths. With the coronavirus no one has been immunized therefore the number of deaths could be 10 fold. And experts have said that this virus is much more contagious than the flu. Frankly I think it is more productive to listen to the experts rather than people on social media burying their heads in the sand.

Bingo! We routinely have 20,000 to 80,000 US flu related deaths a year with much of the US population getting the vaccine. This is a new virus that the experts say is more contiguous and with a higher death rate. And no vaccine. Do the math and the number of deaths could be off the charts. Some are asking why the big fuss with this virus when we have flu ever year or compare it the previous swine flu. The answer is that all viruses are different and this one is way more dangerous.

No excuse for hoarding basic supplies but let’s focus on what’s important here and follow the health guidelines.

[sandybill2]

Stores could limit quantities on anything but for some reason (maybe $), they have not done so. Sad.

My neighbor was in Winn Dixie a couple nights ago. Gentleman in front of her only had two loaves of bread---nothing else. Checker told him he could only buy one loaf. A friend shops Winn Dixie ---says every time she goes to store they have what she is looking for. She might be just lucky always getting there when shelves are stocked or maybe their limiting items made the difference. Husband was in Publix- saw a woman with at least 13 steaks in her cart. I, myself, don't have a freezer that would hold that much meat but maybe she was shopping for others-would like to think this was the case.

[kenoc7]

That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.

You aren't the only one but it would be better if you were. This is real, it isn't government or media hype. If you don't believe me look at Italy and Iran. Also, listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci, a national treasure for the USA who should get the Presidential Medal of Freedom for his incredible communication about Covid-19. If the President had taken this seriously in January and February instead of not "seeing the light" until the middle of March, the US would be in a much better situation. By the way, Bill Gates predicted a scenario like Covid-19 (not the "Chinese virus) in a TED talk on April 3rd, 2015.

[go4fpsb]

The guidelines to socil distance, not congregate and follow handwashing prodedures are musts to help flatten the curve so as not overwhelm the healthcare systems for the next weeks to come but what then? Do our healthcare experts believe the virus will dissapate, mutate into a less virlent form or what? Are we locking down, putting vast swaths of our economy out of business to give us time to build more hospital beds, masks, gowns and ventilators? If there isn’t a solid rational plan at the highest levels to use this time of intense economic disruption to come out the other side of the lock downs and closures with an orderly retoration of economis activity and get people back to work then it’s all for nothing. The virus isn’t going away in the next few months. The reality of a second round of infections once this initial lockdown is over will likely happen. The numbers of deaths from the 1918 pandemic peaked in the second wave which happened in October and November of 1918 was much greater than the first wave in the spring. The intersting aspect of the 1918 flu was it attacked the young with good immune systems and not the older poputation, just the opposite of covid virus. Perhaps the prudent plan is to allow our services industries to start back up slowly in April, the under 60 population to get back to work and we older folks stay put as best we can and hope for a vacine. I don’t know. This epidemic/pandemic will end one way or the other probably by late fall in the meantime the economic Tsunami might be worse than the covid earthquake. I am hoping our leaders in business, goverment and healthcare come together with a prudent sensible plan to lead us forward. So many unknowns and that makes us fearful. Full disclouse, My wife and I are not living in the Villages but have spent and month or more in TV for the past four years and love it and the people. We have many friends retired there. Just my two cents hopefully we will be back next year. Good luck and health.

[Boilerman]

Dr Fauci won the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2008

[Peter and Margaret Gruhn]

Just read on line any or all of the most reputable news that is out there . This is very real and is not going away any time soon. Physically isolate.

[RuthA]

I agree that this is out of control and over the top.

[TimeForChange]

I had plenty of guns and ammo before this ever started. TP was a little short in supply. I told my wife if we run out of TP then a good old rear end wash with the garden hose will suffice.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

I initially felt like you, OP, but a few things changed my mind:

1. People hoard because they want to limit their visits to stores to reduce their chances of exposure (although I agree that's no excuse for a shopping cart overflowing with toilet paper, Purell, gloves and other supplies and depriving those who really need them).

2. Yes, there are more cases of the flu every year, but does the flu cause countries to run out of hospital beds and ventilators?

3. So what if the safeguards and precautions are overkill? If the guidelines are more than what's needed but cause this thing to pass sooner, so much the better. <Edit: after I submitted this I realized I need to give this more thought. Is the overkill worth taking away people's livelihoods and crashing the stock market? Not sure.>

4. Most important in my mind on the subject of hoarding...it's a psychological response. I'm a bit more compassionate about those people now that I know that it's a reaction to having lost control. When people feel like something is out of their control, they do something, anything, to make them feel like they're regaining some control over their lives. Remember after 9/11, about half or more of the cars on the road had American flags installed in little cups on their windows? Same thing.

[Fastskiguy]

150,000 divided by 2 = 75,000 X .02 = 1500 .......still a very big number that needs attention to be taken seriously. There is just no need to gamble when the recommended actions are so basic.

Yes the lifestyle will be interrupted temporarily...death is forever...such a small price to pay.

Thanks for the correction, I seem to have temporarily lost the ability to do math ;)

[Wranglerann]

That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.

In the villages you can congregate on the golf greens and pickle ball courts but not in chlorinated pool water. This makes no sense. Oh and let's not forget the packed full of people in restraunts until just a few days ago. The villages owners and management are ridiculous for a better word for them.

[Briand]

To those who believe this is all a hoax and ‘manipulated - Reread your posts in a month or six weeks from now and you will be eating humble-pie....please take this seriously - for the rest of us OUR health depends on your reaction unfortunately.

[tmiller166]

Check your math… You are overstating this by your own assumptions. Drives me crazy when people make irresponsible posts.

[Alicat5977]

Totally agree with you, not buying in to this.

[Love2Swim]

Yesterday there were four cases of coronavirus in Sumter county. Today there are eight cases and two people are hospitalized. You people can bury your head in the sand all you like but I’m staying clear of people for a while.

[ffresh]

No, you are not alone in your thinking. The economic impact of this mess is going to be incredible. We are trying to figure out the real reason for whats going on if we will ever know.

I posited that question in a very early post as to whether there was "something more sinister behind this". The "true" death rate will be in the wrecked economy and the tens of thousands of small businesses across the country that will not recover from this government-imposed mess. We may witness another 1929 depression all over again; let's hope not! People are a lot less "composed" than in times past. And, just for the record, no one, including the CDC, knows the actual deaths or even individuals contracting the flu. The only data on the flu that is required to be reported is deaths of minors; deaths to adults is not required to be reported and is estimated by the CDC. Being a second arm of "Big Pharma", I would guess that their estimating is routinely on the high side, in order to scare people into getting their flu shot. Also, the medical community and the CDC use the acronym "ILI", routinely - "Influenza-Like Illness" - what's behind that practice? Inquiring minds want to know! :duck:

Fred

[golfing eagles]

Yesterday there were four cases of coronavirus in Sumter county. Today there are eight cases and two people are hospitalized. You people can bury your head in the sand all you like but I’m staying clear of people for a while.

Is that a scientific statistical analysis or are you just "making and observation" Because if you think you can extrapolate anything, anything at all from that number, well...…..

[michaelUK]

The COVID numbers, taken by themselves, are a bit hair raising but I would welcome these stats be delivered by the media alongside the stats for the seasonal flu and other common virus infections. A little perspective would help me assess the gravity of the situation.

[Bucco]

No, you are not the only one and that is why the virus continues to spread.

Unfortunetly, it is spread with help....

"Racist extremist groups, including neo-Nazis and other white supremacists, are encouraging members who contract novel coronavirus disease to spread the contagion to cops and Jews, according to intelligence gathered by the FBI."

White supremacists encouraging their members to spread coronavirus to cops, Jews, FBI says - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/white-supremacists-encouraging-members-spread-coronavirus-cops-jews/story?id=69737522)

The hate is spreading further and further and deeper and deeper into our society, along with the virus, it appears.

I read this tried my best to fact check it....a good source, lots of
evidence from social media, and I recalled an interview with Steve Bannon about 3 years ago.

While "shut in" prayer for our country is what we should be doing.

"The FBI alert, which went out on Thursday, told local police agencies that extremists want their followers to try to use spray bottles to spread bodily fluids to cops on the street. The extremists are also directing followers to spread the disease to Jews by going "any place they may be congregated, to include markets, political offices, businesses and places of worship.""

[BevSparks]

Seriously???? Wake up TV! We were down there renting last winter and have never met such an arrogant group of people. Go ahead, ignore the facts, guess you are all invincible in your little closed minded bubble.

Not sure who you are yelling at, most of the people here are taking this very seriously...

[Tom53]

To all those that think this is real, abide by the directions given by our local, state, and federal leaders, and you will be reasonably safe from this pandemic. This will also lighten the load on our health system, and get the country back to normal.

To all of those that think of this as a hoax or no big deal, look at it as a training drill, with the purpose of working out the bugs in our system, in the event of a serious pandemic. Abide by the directions given by our local, state, and federal leaders, and we will be better prepared for any future pandemic. This will also lighten the load on our health system, and get the country back to normal.

Either way, we will ALL be better prepared for the next one.

[justjim]

I agree. It is just human nature. Some people are savers and some are spenders. I always have plenty of non-perishable items like water, toilet paper, paper towels, shampoo, toothpaste, etc. But, I don't consider myself to be a hoarder, just well prepared. It's good planning.

I have a very good friend who is single and when I said something about toilet paper he told me he had five packages of 18 rolls. He said he bought them about the first of March. I know him well enough to tell him he was part of the problem. Well, he said maybe, but thought he ought to stock up. He offered to give me one but I bought one at Sam’s sometime in Last of February and have plenty for the two of us. Yes, we are still friends - just different. He lives in Florida but doesn’t live in TV if that makes any difference.

My point about all of this is I believe it’s serious and we should all be sailing our boat in the same direction to stop the virus the best we can. There will be plenty of time to “debate and quibble” later.

[ffresh]

Yes, and 617,425 have died from all other causes. The media won't mention it because it distracts from the panic and hysteria, and doesn't help their agenda, which I believe is a 3 part show:
1) convince everyone how horrible this is
2) convince everyone it was mismanaged
3) blame the president

This is serious, and deserves the media attention, but in a factual and unbiased way. I don't remember anything like this with the swine flu of 2009.

I believe you may have "decoded" the agenda :coolsmiley:

Fred

[Bucco]

I have a very good friend who is single and when I said something about toilet paper he told me he had five packages of 18 rolls. He said he bought them about the first of March. I know him well enough to tell him he was part of the problem. Well, he said maybe, but thought he ought to stock up. He offered to give me one but I bought one at Sam’s sometime in Last of February and have plenty for the two of us. Yes, we are still friends - just different. He lives in Florida but doesn’t live in TV if that makes any difference.

My point about all of this is I believe it’s serious and we should all be sailing our boat in the same direction to stop the virus the best we can. There will be plenty of time to “debate and quibble” later.

Good thoughts.....my opinion, this time in history will be investigated and discussed many years after we are gone, and rightfully so.

[Bucco]

I believe you may have "decoded" the agenda :coolsmiley:

Fred

I do recall the swine flu having a much less death rate, and not narrowed so much to elderly relative to death. I also recall a much less contagious type of flu.

To allocate this to some type of political dirty trick is a very very sad commentary on this country.

[TexaninVA]

Unfortunetly, it is spread with help....

"Racist extremist groups, including neo-Nazis and other white supremacists, are encouraging members who contract novel coronavirus disease to spread the contagion to cops and Jews, according to intelligence gathered by the FBI."

White supremacists encouraging their members to spread coronavirus to cops, Jews, FBI says - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/white-supremacists-encouraging-members-spread-coronavirus-cops-jews/story?id=69737522)

The hate is spreading further and further and deeper and deeper into our society, along with the virus, it appears.

I read this tried my best to fact check it....a good source, lots of
evidence from social media, and I recalled an interview with Steve Bannon about 3 years ago.

While "shut in" prayer for our country is what we should be doing.

"The FBI alert, which went out on Thursday, told local police agencies that extremists want their followers to try to use spray bottles to spread bodily fluids to cops on the street. The extremists are also directing followers to spread the disease to Jews by going "any place they may be congregated, to include markets, political offices, businesses and places of worship.""

I don't think the groups you cited are smart enough to do this. It's kind of like a safe, PC bogeyman to point to.

The Chinese military, on the other hand, absolutely has the technical ability to make a bio-weapon.

[BevSparks]

In the villages you can congregate on the golf greens and pickle ball courts but not in chlorinated pool water. This makes no sense. Oh and let's not forget the packed full of people in restraunts until just a few days ago. The villages owners and management are ridiculous for a better word for them.

Just trying to understand....according to the CDC since the flu season began, approximately October 1 there has been 38 Million with the flu, 390,000 hospitalized and 23,000 have died. That is 1,000 per week that have died but I wonder why the media does not mention these numbers. The numbers they quote are thru March 14.

I took a cruise right after Thanksgiving and came home sick, I suspect it was Covid-19 but at the time no one knew what it was. My husband and 6 friends all had the same thing, from Nov to Jan. Some were tested and told it wasn't the flu. I'm wondering how many of the deaths associated with the flu season this year are really from Covid-19. No one is talking about that.. I should also add that what we experienced was like no other flu, dry cough, and then difficulty breathing with congestion in lungs for 3 to 4 weeks.

[ffresh]

I don't know the answer to your question, but in the flu season of 2017 -2018 80,000 people died from influenza in the US. We're far from that number and we may get there, but maybe we will never reach that number either. This is not a time to worry or panic, it is a time to use common sense.

Unfortunately, common sense is a rare commodity - unicorns are more common than sense! :icon_wink:

Fred

[Bucco]

I don't think the groups you cited are smart enough to do this. It's kind of like a safe, PC bogeyman to point to.

The Chinese military, on the other hand, absolutely has the technical ability to make a bio-weapon.

A lot to what you say for sure. If you believe that China developed this viro weapon to attack, why unleash it on their own ? Practice ? Mistake ?

With the spread data it would mean it is to take over the world because the spread is mucho all over the globe, yet we remain on friendly terms with this country of such vile means.

So if not China.....who then ?

I have always believed that there is not a conspiracy theory behind every P situation and if you are correct, while we remain extra friendly with that country, who in this country is complicit with the Chinese to pull this off ?

I am really curious because it is hard for me to wrap my brain around these theories, especially when I read how we are so subject to any Chinese whim.......financially, etc. Why kill off or even weaken someone whom you already have weakened so much ?

If this is plot, they have successfully drawn our attention from North Korea testing of missles, which continues unabated and is not discussed.

I honestly want to know the details on this, the WHYS.....HOW...WHEN. They did not do a good job in covering it up since we were aware months and months ago, and were warned a few years ago about the development of more pandemics I was not in on the briefings, but all I have heard is warning about how we are not prepared and should get prepared for any pandemic....they may have mentioned China......you have info on that part of this plan ?

[benj]

If every night they posted regular flu numbers . How many where infected, how many deaths, how many in this county or that we would be scared every year.

[skyking]

A Villager was admitted to hospital in Leesburg with COVID-19. It has hit America’s Friendliest Hometown.” God help us all.

A Villager was tested in Leesburg and unfortunately had a positive result. I have not seen anything indicating that they were admitted. They would only be admitted if they needed supportive care.

[bumpygreens]

I was traveling out of state when the hysteria hit. The young man in the seat behind me was coughing frequently during my 2 hour and 20 minute return flight. Maybe he had a cold, allergies, asthma, flu, or any of a hundred reasons that can cause a cough. Given our current situation, it would have been nice if I could get tested, but tests are in short supply and only given to those who have symptoms. I got back to TV at 7:00pm and had dinner with my wife at a restaurant in a town square. The next day, we went to do our weekly grocery shopping. In addition to paper towels, tp, and hand sanitizer, the store was out of about half the staples on our grocery list. We bought what we could, and the next day I went to two additional stores to find the items we still needed. I found everything except paper products and hand sanitizer. Because my wife is very concerned about our short supply of those items, I go to 4 to 6 stores a day to see if they've been restocked. So far no luck. I've been doing this for a week. I will do it again today. Yesterday I developed a cough. It's probably seasonal allergies, but I have no way of knowing for sure since I can't get tested without having other symptoms. Because I don't know my status, I've been very careful to keep my distance when outside talking to my neighbors. I try to keep my distance from people in the stores I visit, but sometimes they end up crowding me. If you shop at Publix, Winn-Dixie, WalMart, Sam's Club or Aldi, please don't get too close to me. I'm trying to keep you safe. I'm over 65 and have asthma so being around all those people puts me at risk too. It's been a week. Can you let go of your hysterics long enough to leave a package of Charmin and Bounty on the shelves so I can stay at home? It would be in both our best interests.

[ffresh]

The COVID numbers, taken by themselves, are a bit hair raising but I would welcome these stats be delivered by the media alongside the stats for the seasonal flu and other common virus infections. A little perspective would help me assess the gravity of the situation.

I believe there are "others" who would rather assess the situation for you :icon_wink:

Fred

[Love2Swim]

Is that a scientific statistical analysis or are you just "making and observation" Because if you think you can extrapolate anything, anything at all from that number, well...…..
Duh. The point is, the cases are on the rise, as was predicted. And it isn’t somewhere else in the country, it’s here in The Villages. Common sense dictates listening to the experts - this isn’t an overblown media hoax as some would like to believe.

[talktome]

You took the words out of my mouth. Exactly my thinking too. Mass hysteria from the media and oh btw is this election time?

[ffresh]

I do recall the swine flu having a much less death rate, and not narrowed so much to elderly relative to death. I also recall a much less contagious type of flu.

To allocate this to some type of political dirty trick is a very very sad commentary on this country.

It's called realism and critical thinking; observing what has been going on in the media for the past three years makes that possibility easy to extrapolate. Believing that one's government only has the citizens' best interest in mind, a classical case of naivete, is far more fatal to one's well being!

Fred

[golfing eagles]

I do recall the swine flu having a much less death rate, and not narrowed so much to elderly relative to death. I also recall a much less contagious type of flu.

To allocate this to some type of political dirty trick is a very very sad commentary on this country.

From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.**

2009 H1N1 Pandemic (H1N1pdm09 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html)

[Rosebud1949]

So those who SELDOM or RARELY eat at home bought all this food and they are going to COOK IT !!!! Do they know how......No they will still do take out for as long as they can, and the food will rot... So much food in normal times is thrown out. The answer is to RATION...... that will make folks think about how lucky they have been to WASTE so much all these years that they could have fed a third world country.

[golfing eagles]

Duh. The point is, the cases are on the rise, as was predicted. And it isn’t somewhere else in the country, it’s here in The Villages. Common sense dictates listening to the experts - this isn’t an overblown media hoax as some would like to believe.

No, it clearly isn't a "hoax" (who started that anyway?), only an idiot would believe that. The question is whether or not the media reporting is overblown, and secondly, given media bias, whether there is a political agenda to their reporting. And yes, it is here in TV. It has probably been here for a while and there will be more cases as more testing results come in. But 8 cases in Sumter County, or even eventually 80 or 800 DOES NOT make us Italy

[Mumbles]

That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.

I bet you can't name ONE single scientist who literally wants to control everyone. If you have a much better idea of how to work this debacle, let's hear it.

[TexaninVA]

A lot to what you say for sure. If you believe that China developed this viro weapon to attack, why unleash it on their own ? Practice ? Mistake ?

With the spread data it would mean it is to take over the world because the spread is mucho all over the globe, yet we remain on friendly terms with this country of such vile means.

So if not China.....who then ?

I have always believed that there is not a conspiracy theory behind every P situation and if you are correct, while we remain extra friendly with that country, who in this country is complicit with the Chinese to pull this off ?

I am really curious because it is hard for me to wrap my brain around these theories, especially when I read how we are so subject to any Chinese whim.......financially, etc. Why kill off or even weaken someone whom you already have weakened so much ?

If this is plot, they have successfully drawn our attention from North Korea testing of missles, which continues unabated and is not discussed.

I honestly want to know the details on this, the WHYS.....HOW...WHEN. They did not do a good job in covering it up since we were aware months and months ago, and were warned a few years ago about the development of more pandemics I was not in on the briefings, but all I have heard is warning about how we are not prepared and should get prepared for any pandemic....they may have mentioned China......you have info on that part of this plan ?

Back in January, I read an article on Covid19 (i.e. more accurately, it should be called the Wuhan Virus) in a tech blog which did a spectral analysis of the virus. Some of it was over my head technically, but the gist was, while most components of the virus were natural, several were clearly man-made if you looked close enough. Based on my former life in the intel world, and what I knew about Chinese military capabilities, it raised my eyebrows and I made a mental note. Unfortunately, I didn’t keep a copy nor mark the link at the time. Can’t find it now when I search.

(By way of review, and something that hasn’t been focused on yet but will in the post-mortem, most of our political so-called leaders were focused on impeaching the President during the very period the Wuhan flu went viral and worldwide. Monumentally stupid in retrospect, but that’s a topic for another day.)

A couple of days ago, I was reminded of a thriller novel written in 1981 by Dean Koontz called “The Eyes of Darkness.” It’s rather freaky what he wrote about over almost 40 years ago, and when compared to what’s actually happening. The attached photo has the details. I can't vouch 100% for the photo's content and hope someone can prove it's a hoax.

IMO … the Wuhan virus is likely a bio-weapon. The main question is was it unleashed deliberately as part of a long-term supremacy strategy by China, or did they screw up and let it out accidentally. I think the latter is more likely.

[ColdNoMore]

Loving the wacko conspiracy theories. :1rotfl:

It would be pretty stupid of the Chinese to develop a bio-weapon, with no known antidote and a mortality rate...in single digits. :oops:

And the Chinese are anything but...stupid.

As for Koontz's book...


Was Coronavirus Predicted in a 1981 Dean Koontz Novel? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dean-koontz-predicted-coronavirus/)

Mostly False


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[golfing eagles]

Back in January, I read an article on Covid19 (i.e. more accurately, it should be called the Wuhan Virus) in a tech blog which did a spectral analysis of the virus. Some of it was over my head technically, but the gist was, while most components of the virus were natural, several were clearly man-made if you looked close enough. Based on my former life in the intel world, and what I knew about Chinese military capabilities, it raised my eyebrows and I made a mental note. Unfortunately, I didn’t keep a copy nor mark the link at the time. Can’t find it now when I search.

(By way of review, and something that hasn’t been focused on yet but will in the post-mortem, most of our political so-called leaders were focused on impeaching the President during the very period the Wuhan flu went viral and worldwide. Monumentally stupid in retrospect, but that’s a topic for another day.)

A couple of days ago, I was reminded of a thriller novel written in 1981 by Dean Koontz called “The Eyes of Darkness.” It’s rather freaky what he wrote about over almost 40 years ago, and when compared to what’s actually happening. The attached photo has the details. I can't vouch 100% for the photo's content and hope someone can prove it's a hoax.

IMO … the Wuhan virus is likely a bio-weapon. The main question is was it unleashed deliberately as part of a long-term supremacy strategy by China, or did they screw up and let it out accidentally. I think the latter is more likely.

Not buying it. If this is a "bioweapon", it is the lousiest ever conceived and developed. It has a relatively low mortality rate, a long prodromal period, generally spread person to person, and has a predilection for older people

A bioweapon should hit hard and fast with a high mortality and affect mostly younger people--like those in the military and those that can fight back.

[golfing eagles]

Loving the wacko conspiracy theories. :1rotfl:

It would be pretty stupid of the Chinese to develop a bio-weapon, with no known antidote and a mortality rate...in single digits. :oops:

And the Chinese are anything but...stupid.

As for Koontz's book...


Was Coronavirus Predicted in a 1981 Dean Koontz Novel? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dean-koontz-predicted-coronavirus/)




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Kind of like 9/11 and the subsequent anthrax scare was predicted by Tom Clancy in "Executive Orders"

[perrjojo]

Not buying it. If this is a "bioweapon", it is the lousiest ever conceived and developed. It has a relatively low mortality rate, a long prodromal period, generally spread person to person, and has a predilection for older people

A bioweapon should hit hard and fast with a high mortality and affect mostly younger people--like those in the military and those that can fight back.

While the mortality rate has not been high the economic damage will be significant world wide.

[golfing eagles]

While the mortality rate has not been high the economic damage will be significant world wide.

Which negatively impacts the country that developed it----another reason it's unlikely to be a bioweapon

[Mendy]

For those that don't believe we are in a national emergency and will face a long term crisis, I ask you to post a comment on June 1 and tell us what you think then. Unfortunately you will see 20%+ unemployment, thousands of people who planned to retire to The Villages not being able to afford it, housing prices falling, and many other factors that will forever change your life. If you are fortunate enough to have money and can live your life as usual, good for you.

I hope I am dead wrong. I, unfortunately, am one of the affected ones that lost his job and can no longer retire and move to TV as planned this summer.

[Kathi71]

Really? Check the numbers coming out of Italy.

[junction29]

Not buying it. If this is a "bioweapon", it is the lousiest ever conceived and developed. It has a relatively low mortality rate, a long prodromal period, generally spread person to person, and has a predilection for older people

A bioweapon should hit hard and fast with a high mortality and affect mostly younger people--like those in the military and those that can fight back.

I don’t agree, a hard hitting bio weapon, would result in immediate and catastrophic retaliation, this one is definitely crippling the West’s economies and cause massive social unrest and upheaval, with the only winner apparent at the moment, being the Chinese economy, with the country bragging that their production is almost back to full production. - Whilst I don’t want to appear paranoid, I am highly suspicious that this is far more than an accident by a secretive and oppressive regime, that wouldn’t think twice about sacrificing a few thousand elderly Chinese if it brought them world wide economic domination.

[ColdNoMore]

While the mortality rate has not been high the economic damage will be significant world wide.

Including to China itself. :oops:

Kinda like designing a gun, where the barrel is aimed at...the one pulling the trigger. :1rotfl:

[Fastskiguy]

I don’t agree, a hard hitting bio weapon, would result in immediate and catastrophic retaliation, this one is definitely crippling the West’s economies and cause massive social unrest and upheaval, with the only winner apparent at the moment, being the Chinese economy, with the country bragging that their production is almost back to full production. - Whilst I don’t want to appear paranoid, I am highly suspicious that this is far more than an accident by a secretive and oppressive regime, that wouldn’t think twice about sacrificing a few thousand elderly Chinese if it brought them world wide economic domination.

But to unleash it on your own population just doesn't seem like a solid strategy. To not have a treatment/cure/preventive for your own people doesn't seem smart either.

As for the politics, well you never want to let a good crisis go to waste and it's easy to blame the guy in charge when "acts of god" happen.

I'd say the transparency over the last week or so has been pretty damn impressive by the current administration.

PS why do we call terrible natural disasters "acts of god" anyway??

[Villageswimmer]

For those that don't believe we are in a national emergency and will face a long term crisis, I ask you to post a comment on June 1 and tell us what you think then. Unfortunately you will see 20%+ unemployment, thousands of people who planned to retire to The Villages not being able to afford it, housing prices falling, and many other factors that will forever change your life. If you are fortunate enough to have money and can live your life as usual, good for you.

I hope I am dead wrong. I, unfortunately, am one of the affected ones that lost his job and can no longer retire and move to TV as planned this summer.


I’m sorry this happened to you. I wish you the best and hope that sometime in the not-too-distant future you will be in a position to make your move.

[Two Bills]

Ye Gods!
All we need is a few little green men from Roswell, and we wil have a full house!:icon_wink:

[Drdoug49]

I’m sorry this happened to you. I wish you the best and hope that sometime in the not-too-distant future you will be in a position to make your move.

Housing prices will plunge like they did in 2008, so you may still be able to buy when you retire

[Velvet]

But to unleash it on your own population just doesn't seem like a solid strategy. To not have a treatment/cure/preventive for your own people doesn't seem smart either.


PS why do we call terrible natural disasters "acts of god" anyway??

The idea that China would unleash something on its own population is just too funny to comment on.

We call disasters “act of God” because we would desperately like to blame somebody, and when there is nobody then we can blame it on God. Makes us feel better that somebody is responsible, and insurance companies can say, well, they can’t be responsible for the works of the Creator, can they?

[TexaninVA]

Loving the wacko conspiracy theories. :1rotfl:

It would be pretty stupid of the Chinese to develop a bio-weapon, with no known antidote and a mortality rate...in single digits. :oops:

And the Chinese are anything but...stupid.

As for Koontz's book...


Was Coronavirus Predicted in a 1981 Dean Koontz Novel? (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dean-koontz-predicted-coronavirus/)




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No, the Chinese are not stupid indeed. Unlike Americans, however, they think strategically and longer term and make big picture cost/benefit tradeoffs. It’s not beyond the pale the CCP leadership could view destruction of the American economy as being worth x,000 domestic Chinese deaths. The Axis powers in WWII could only dream about impacting our economy the way the Wuhan virus has already done, and only to get worse.

I hope they did not do it deliberately because that would be an act of war. But even smart enemies can screw up their internal control procedures which is what I think happened. For the time being, that’s my best assessment.

This link pertains to their wet market which is not that distant from their bioweapon labs.

Coronavirus may have originated from Wuhan market - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JFC81JEoIw)

In the meantime, take comfort in the Snopes evaluation. I’d seen that analysis earlier. For people who think it’s a conspiracy theory, they can dismiss the possibility of a bioweapon and not deal with it anymore.

However, for those who would like to think more critically about what’s going on here’s a video from a former CIA Chief of Station who’s served in both the Middle East and Far East.

You are being redirected... (https://vladtepesblog.com/2020/03/23/brad-johnson-update-on-the-wuhan-flu-aka-ccp-wmd/)

[TexaninVA]

Not buying it. If this is a "bioweapon", it is the lousiest ever conceived and developed. It has a relatively low mortality rate, a long prodromal period, generally spread person to person, and has a predilection for older people

A bioweapon should hit hard and fast with a high mortality and affect mostly younger people--like those in the military and those that can fight back.


Yes, I understand your point and it’s a good one in the classical sense of what a bio-weapon would typically do.

But there’s another way to look at it, because we may now be in a new era. Perhaps we need to invent a different term, something akin to a “bio-economic weapon.” With respect to the American economy, I’d say the Wuhan virus certainly has a high mortality.

An earlier poster said the Chinese are “not stupid.” Actually, I think the Chinese are smarter that we are in many respects.

[TexaninVA]

Including to China itself. :oops:

Kinda like designing a gun, where the barrel is aimed at...the one pulling the trigger. :1rotfl:

No that's missing the point yet again and a faulty analogy

[ffresh]

Including to China itself. :oops:

Kinda like designing a gun, where the barrel is aimed at...the one pulling the trigger. :1rotfl:

One could infer from your statement that you believe "governments" (of any persuasion) and "citizens" are, in effect, one and the same. Governments (including the U.S. government) have foisted MANY horrific acts upon their people in history, not to mention millions killed by their own governments (genocide) - google it!

Not so far-fetched of a concept

Fred

[ffresh]

There is an agenda for sure.

YES … the virus may be real but IMHO the manufactured hysteria is by design! :duck:

Fred

[ffresh]

I bet you can't name ONE single scientist who literally wants to control everyone. If you have a much better idea of how to work this debacle, let's hear it.

google "agenda-driven science" - you'll get a plethora of hits and, upon further reading, will find MANY who are accused of just that agenda (I know … hard to believe :icon_wink:


Fred

[coffeebean]

Not the only one, however, I feel the stores, when seeing the panic buying should limit tp to two packages a purchase so everyone who actually NEEDS tp can have a chance to purchase it. Same with water. You cannot control stupidity in people but you can set some ground rules they did not do this. I am glad to see that costco and publix will not accept returns on these products. Finally, some common sense.

All the stores I have been going to are limiting all paper products to one per household. I've been to Costco, Sam's, Target, several Publix and several Winn Dixie. These stores all should have begun limiting purchases to one per household much sooner than they did.

[coffeebean]

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[ffresh]

All the stores I have been going to are limiting all paper products to one per household. I've been to Costco, Sam's, Target, several Publix and several Winn Dixie. These stores all should have begun limiting purchases to one per household much sooner than they did.

So, I guess a classic example of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" now becomes "damned if you do, damned if you don't, damned if you do too late" :)

Fred

[Aloha1]

We are missing a couple key numbers in this debate. First, we have NO idea how many people world wide have or had the virus.It could potentially be in the hundreds of thousands. We don't know because they were never tested. Second, the number of tested confirmed cases is going up every day because MORE testing is being done. It's not a case of suddenly overnite a whole bunch of people just got sick. Finally, we are not being told how many tests are being done AND how many are negative. Therefore, without this missing data, we have no idea if we are under or over reacting. We need these numbers for a logical discussion else all this pontificating is just that.

[Byte1]

There are some in the Villages and elsewhere that are in denial about the seriousness of this pandemic. They are so use to being lied to by the media that they cannot now believe the media when it reports REAL statistics. This is a real pandemic, BUT we are Americans, and Americans have fought and won world wars, the plague, polio, etc. There is no use being hysterical, but be pragmatic about it. It is what it is and it is not something to take lightly. The reason folks are stocking up on items is that they fear martial law where they will be forced to stay home. Many Villagers do NOT have family to rush to their aid and provide them with supplies that they need.....necessities. We are proud Americans and we will NOT succumb to civil disorder. We will be civil and even care for our neighbors. I am not saying that we should lock ourselves in our homes, just be prudent in listening to the experts in how to beat this thing. This gov is doing a great job of handling these emergencies as they become evident. Do you want leaders that panic and get hysterical and shout "the sky is falling" or do you want a calm leader with a steady hand. Anyone that is criticizing our leaders need to remember that they have been elected by the people and are tasked with the responsibility of the citizens they govern. Instead of complaining about problems, think about how you can be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
I see folks lining up at the Polo Field to get tested. WHY? If you have no symptoms and prove to yourself that you are not infected, does that mean you will stay at home so you are not infected tomorrow? Are you that selfish that you would waste limited test kits, just to be able to announce that "yesterday" I tested negative. What about tomorrow. The only reason for testing is to find out if you need treatment. And apparently, until they come out with a medicine to treat it, all they will tell you is to stay home so you don't infect others. Americans do NOT panic. Americans do NOT get hysterical. This is a serious crisis, but if you use your head you can survive it. There is plenty of food in America. AND there is places that will deliver to you, IF you feel the need.
Do not announce your stupidity by suggesting that this is a hoax or that the gov is lying to you. If you do not feel this is real, then explain Italy or the other 121 countries that have the pandemic. If you want to blame someone for hiding this from you, BLAME China. China should not be experimenting with biological warfare. Yes, that part is my opinion, based on their past record and the evidence of the wide spread, hardly heard of virus.
If you are mad at the pool closures, so what? Grow up and be the adults you are supposed to be. Why should the workers be exposed to this virus, just because some elitists are upset that their pool time has been delayed?
And for those grandparents that are suddenly being inundated with grandkids that are out of school because of this, with no babysitters, keep you kids off the golf carts and near home. They are also possible spreaders and they definitely do not need to be in accidents, when the police have more important things to handle. I am seeing all kinds of kids running loose in the Villages. In my opinion, they should not even be here. But, that's just me.

[ffresh]

We are missing a couple key numbers in this debate. First, we have NO idea how many people world wide have or had the virus.It could potentially be in the hundreds of thousands. We don't know because they were never tested. Second, the number of tested confirmed cases is going up every day because MORE testing is being done. It's not a case of suddenly overnite a whole bunch of people just got sick. Finally, we are not being told how many tests are being done AND how many are negative. Therefore, without this missing data, we have no idea if we are under or over reacting. We need these numbers for a logical discussion else all this pontificating is just that.

Perhaps this data is available but we are not being provided with these numbers for a very specific reason. Food for thought :duck:

Fred

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We are missing a couple key numbers in this debate. First, we have NO idea how many people world wide have or had the virus.It could potentially be in the hundreds of thousands. We don't know because they were never tested. Second, the number of tested confirmed cases is going up every day because MORE testing is being done. It's not a case of suddenly overnite a whole bunch of people just got sick. Finally, we are not being told how many tests are being done AND how many are negative. Therefore, without this missing data, we have no idea if we are under or over reacting. We need these numbers for a logical discussion else all this pontificating is just that.

Your post contradicts itself. In the same (only) paragraph:

"The number...is going up every day because MORE testing is being done. [snip] "...we are not being told how many tests are bing done..."

So you don't know how many tests are being done, but you're sure that more testing is being done. Would you respond the same way if you learned that less testing is being done? Would you respond the same way if you learned that proportionately - the same amount of testing is being done, per 100,000 people with symptoms, as there were three weeks ago per 100,000 people with symptoms?

If you don't know how many were done, then you don't know whether or not it's more being done. Especially since there wouldn't be any NEED for more being done, if more people weren't showing up with symptoms.

[Kcarbfaith]

Tell me the same when one of your loved ones is on a ventilator. This is not a joke.

[Aloha1]

Your post contradicts itself. In the same (only) paragraph:

"The number...is going up every day because MORE testing is being done. [snip] "...we are not being told how many tests are bing done..."

So you don't know how many tests are being done, but you're sure that more testing is being done. Would you respond the same way if you learned that less testing is being done? Would you respond the same way if you learned that proportionately - the same amount of testing is being done, per 100,000 people with symptoms, as there were three weeks ago per 100,000 people with symptoms

If you don't know how many were done, then you don't know whether or not it's more being done. Especially since there wouldn't be any NEED for more being done, if more people weren't showing up with symptoms.
Have you not been paying attention? More test kits have been made available therefore more testing is being done. But, we still are not informed as to how many total tests are being done. We only know how many tested positive and not how many tested negative.If we had both numbers we'd know how many tests are being done. No contradiction at all. Your response misses the entire point.

[retiredguy123]

Have you not been paying attention? More test kits have been made available therefore more testing is being done. But, we still are not informed as to how many total tests are being done. We only know how many tested positive and not how many tested negative.If we had both numbers we'd know how many tests are being done. No contradiction at all. Your response misses the entire point.
I agree. Why not tell us how many tests are performed, how many were negative, how many were positive, how many people were tested more than once, and how many times were they tested? That would be an honest and transparent report. The information they are providing is not complete and is misleading.

[Guitarman1951]

That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.

I'm glad we are doing what we have to in order to get control over this situation but the constant media barrage of body counts and overly dramatic reporting has freaked people out to the extent they aren't reasoning or listening to common sense any more. Horderers should have been limited in their over zealous aquisitions of TP, sanitizers and food. They are causing the rest of us to suffer the consequences of their pure greed and selfishness. They should be shamed to the max for their ignorant actions.

[Aces4]

So that causes the to shyt more?:ohdear:

A rather intelligible post but I’ll tryto help you out... yes, if you’re at home 24 hours a day versus being home 8 hours a day, you will need more toilet paper at home for your shyt. Strange how some people need very thing explained to them!

[Aces4]

I think 200 roles should be standard supply

Only you know your bathroom habits and requirements.

[Guitarman1951]

You mean they are ****ting more so they need all of the damn toilet paper they can get their grubby hands on. Get real. This is selfishness and lack of consideration for others at it's best.

[Aces4]

They're not pooping any more than usual.....

They are pooping at home more than usual and I also indicated there are some head cases hoarding tp.

[Aces4]

You mean they are ****ting more so they need all of the damn toilet paper they can get their grubby hands on. Get real. This is selfishness and lack of consideration for others at it's best.

Read all the posts and comment more sensibly is my suggestion to people on this thread.

[Two Bills]

To save on toilet paper, please use both sides!

[Sjshanl]

Glad to hear there’s at least 2 of us out there.

[Sjshanl]

That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.
Glad to hear there’s at least 2 of us out there.

[rickdankert]

Read some history people. The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic killed anywhere from 50 to 100 million people in 1918-19 worldwide.The flu came and went in 3 waves, each worse than the last. Pray to God that Covid 19 never approaches those numbers. Over 500 million people were infected worldwide. It killed over 600,000 Americans. Listen to what you’re being told and stop whining.

[Jack58033]

You don't buy it. You breathe it.

[shariys]

If only 1/2 of us in TV get it and if only 2% die that's still 5000 of us buying the farm in the next few months.

Like I said, I hope you're right and this is an overreaction but, personally, I'm taking it seriously.
I'm taking it seriously too, but my math says 1300.

[dmorhome]

over 58,000 died in Vietnam no one made a big deal about it then and they are still dying from it, all of a sudden we have a virus and people panic and when it is over we won't see the totals of people dying anywhere near what we have seen.

[shariys]

I agree. Fact: there are ~ 16K confirmed cases in US. Ten years ago there were over 60 million cases of Swine flu. Yet I have friends — contemporaries of mine age wise — that do not even remember the Swine flu pandemic! While I am heeding advice — socially distancing, extra cleanliness precautions, etc., I cannot help but feel this is a run away train fueled by the media.
Real fact: as of today, 3-23-20, there are 43,449 cases of COVID19 in the US, with 545 deaths. And counting. Our government should have been taking this seriously 2 months ago.

[Love2Swim]

Real fact: as of today, 3-23-20, there are 43,449 cases of COVID19 in the US, with 545 deaths. And counting. Our government should have been taking this seriously 2 months ago.

I agree. They had intel letting them know this was coming. No excuse.

[Fastskiguy]

I'm taking it seriously too, but my math says 1300.

Your math is right, I don't know how I came up with 5,000. But still, 1300 in the next few months is a lot.

I guess another way to deal with this is to just keep things as normal and ride it out. We'd lose some people but maybe the economy wouldn't take such a nosedive. It would kinda suck to be one of the ones who didn't make it though....

I wonder how many people have had it, have recovered, and now are immune. Hell I felt like crap 2 weeks ago....I'd love to find out.

[Aloha1]

Fact from White House press conference just now.
313,000 tests nationwide. 87% negative.and these tests were only for people who THOUGHT they had symptoms .

[ffresh]

TRUTH: Seasonal FLU TWICE as Deadly as Coronavirus? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=389&v=ohO8eAwi_po&feature=emb_logo)

The Worst Economic Collapse In History Is Starting Now: Be Prepared - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDFoF3izhGQ)

… "hyper-inflation the most likely scenario" … Peter Schiff podcast
Fed cuts rates to zero, ramps up QE - Ep 548 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=ixelsjTCW-g&feature=emb_logo)

Ron Paul Liberty Report:
Home (http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/)

Will we witness the death of the world economy?

Fred

[TexaninVA]

Real fact: as of today, 3-23-20, there are 43,449 cases of COVID19 in the US, with 545 deaths. And counting. Our government should have been taking this seriously 2 months ago.

Unfortunately our government decided to focus on impeachment two months ago

[Velvet]

Yes, I guess hindsight is 20/20. The thing is here we are now, and what should we do now?

[LiverpoolWalrus]

I was traveling out of state when the hysteria hit. The young man in the seat behind me was coughing frequently during my 2 hour and 20 minute return flight. Maybe he had a cold, allergies, asthma, flu, or any of a hundred reasons that can cause a cough. Given our current situation, it would have been nice if I could get tested, but tests are in short supply and only given to those who have symptoms. I got back to TV at 7:00pm and had dinner with my wife at a restaurant in a town square. The next day, we went to do our weekly grocery shopping. In addition to paper towels, tp, and hand sanitizer, the store was out of about half the staples on our grocery list. We bought what we could, and the next day I went to two additional stores to find the items we still needed. I found everything except paper products and hand sanitizer. Because my wife is very concerned about our short supply of those items, I go to 4 to 6 stores a day to see if they've been restocked. So far no luck. I've been doing this for a week. I will do it again today. Yesterday I developed a cough. It's probably seasonal allergies, but I have no way of knowing for sure since I can't get tested without having other symptoms. Because I don't know my status, I've been very careful to keep my distance when outside talking to my neighbors. I try to keep my distance from people in the stores I visit, but sometimes they end up crowding me. If you shop at Publix, Winn-Dixie, WalMart, Sam's Club or Aldi, please don't get too close to me. I'm trying to keep you safe. I'm over 65 and have asthma so being around all those people puts me at risk too. It's been a week. Can you let go of your hysterics long enough to leave a package of Charmin and Bounty on the shelves so I can stay at home? It would be in both our best interests.

Thank you Bumpy and I wish you the best. I hope your cough does not advance to anything else. Hey Readers: READ THIS!!! For two reasons - he may be positive and doesn't want to infect you AND he's humbly asking for two things so he can stay away from everyone. If I were in the Villages right now, I'd be happy to deliver those products to your door, Bumpy.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

[QUOTE=Velvet;1732285]The idea that China would unleash something on its own population is just too funny to comment on.

Velvet, curious what you're getting at. Do you mean it's laughably plausible, or laughable implausible? Isn't China the country that engages in female infanticide?

Female infanticide in China - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China)

[LiverpoolWalrus]

over 58,000 died in Vietnam no one made a big deal about it

I'm speechless.

[Velvet]

What I was trying to say that if the Chinese wanted to develop biological war fare they would have done so much better than the coronavirus. This is a pretty pathetic and difficult to manipulate “weapon”.

[TexaninVA]

What I was trying to say that if the Chinese wanted to develop biological war fare they would have done so much better than the coronavirus. This is a pretty pathetic and difficult to manipulate “weapon”.

It's actually a hybrid ... call it a "bio/economic weapon" and it's proving remarkably effective in terms of impact.

[Velvet]

And first, they test it on themselves? Ok, I just have a hard time getting my mind around that idea.

And what about those Italians, they thought they had the coronavirus in November. They did not recognize what the untreatable pneumonia they were encountering was then, but now they are retesting as a possibility.

[TexaninVA]

And first, they test it on themselves? Ok, I just have a hard time getting my mind around the idea.

Yes it’s non-intuitive for us because it violates our norms.

From the standpoint of China’s leadership, it’s arguably an attractive trade ... several thousand domestic casualties in exchange for bringing the American nation to its knees.

However, I do think it was accidentally released but it’s turning into a prototype due to its success.

[billethkid]

I wish I could type the Twilight Zone melody!

[Byte1]

Someone compared this illness to the flu. Facts show that this is MORE contagious than the flu, therefore more dangerous. The Flu has a contagion ratio of one to one, whereas this illness has a ratio of 1 to 2.5 or 3. The flu can be contained much easier than this illness. Take this illness seriously, but do not get hysterical. Take precautions and live the sacrifice for a couple or few weeks. It won't hurt you to be safe, but it might hurt you to be careless. All we have to do is modify our day to day living/lifestyle for a period of time until everything returns to normal.

[jebartle]

The COVID numbers, taken by themselves, are a bit hair raising but I would welcome these stats be delivered by the media alongside the stats for the seasonal flu and other common virus infections. A little perspective would help me assess the gravity of the situation.

Unfortunately the gravity of the situation is based on the virus only if affecting you and yours or in some cases your 401k. Pity. It's not about media, government, politics (coronavirus doesn't care what your party affiliation) or 401ks, it's about SCIENCE, listen to the professionals and your doctor, and common sense.

[luis s]

Why are people in the Villages still insisting on getting service call for their appliances for minor nonsense stuff. Do you really want a stranger in your home that has been to 10 different homes that day a tech who also has customers all over Ocala and surroundings.
The only service call you should be calling for is no cool refrigerator or not working at all washer everything else is nonsense and called entitlement just because you can under warranty.. Remember all it takes is one..

[Fastskiguy]

Take precautions and live the sacrifice for a couple or few weeks. It won't hurt you to be safe, but it might hurt you to be careless. All we have to do is modify our day to day living/lifestyle for a period of time until everything returns to normal.

This is what I don't understand....how is this only going to take a few weeks or few months? Complete eradication? A cure or vaccine? I don't see how this won't take a year or more.

Worldwide cases were 200K as of last Thursday, 392K as of this morning, it looks like it's doubling in 5-6 days at the moment.

[gadaboutgal]

People forget that the reason for the self-quarantine is to flatten the curve -in other words to slow the number of people getting the Covid 19 down on a day by day so that our hospitals and medical workers can handle the number of cases who do get the virus.

As it is, the number of cases are going to get so out of hand that the Medical system may completely break down. It is already getting dire without enough hospital beds, respirators and masks.

If there were fewer cases presenting on a daily basis than their would not be the demand for a greater number of respirators.
Staying home is not to keep you from getting the virus, it is really a self-sacrifice so that your neighbors and friends do not need the limited ventilators all at once.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I was traveling out of state when the hysteria hit. The young man in the seat behind me was coughing frequently during my 2 hour and 20 minute return flight. Maybe he had a cold, allergies, asthma, flu, or any of a hundred reasons that can cause a cough. Given our current situation, it would have been nice if I could get tested, but tests are in short supply and only given to those who have symptoms. I got back to TV at 7:00pm and had dinner with my wife at a restaurant in a town square. The next day, we went to do our weekly grocery shopping. In addition to paper towels, tp, and hand sanitizer, the store was out of about half the staples on our grocery list. We bought what we could, and the next day I went to two additional stores to find the items we still needed. I found everything except paper products and hand sanitizer. Because my wife is very concerned about our short supply of those items, I go to 4 to 6 stores a day to see if they've been restocked. So far no luck. I've been doing this for a week. I will do it again today. Yesterday I developed a cough. It's probably seasonal allergies, but I have no way of knowing for sure since I can't get tested without having other symptoms. Because I don't know my status, I've been very careful to keep my distance when outside talking to my neighbors. I try to keep my distance from people in the stores I visit, but sometimes they end up crowding me. If you shop at Publix, Winn-Dixie, WalMart, Sam's Club or Aldi, please don't get too close to me. I'm trying to keep you safe. I'm over 65 and have asthma so being around all those people puts me at risk too. It's been a week. Can you let go of your hysterics long enough to leave a package of Charmin and Bounty on the shelves so I can stay at home? It would be in both our best interests.

Please DM me with your address in the Villages and I will bring you a couple rolls of TP and a roll of paper towels, and if you need rubbing alcohol let me know that as well and have an empty CLEANED class container available for a couple of ounces of it; I will pour some off from my quart for you.

[LI SNOWBIRD]

That’s because those people have a ****ty outlook in life !!!! ;)

Hahaha thanks for the laugh.:1rotfl:

[xNYer]

That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.

Curious as to whether this view is only believed by Fox News viewers?

[skyking]

1. Physicians in France are treating the most severe COVID-19 patients with symptoms with the anti malaria drug and a wide spectrum antibiotic. It's not a total cure but it also is not faux science.
2. For those who criticize the President for being optimistic, I am glad that you were not around during WWII. Imagine if we had pessimistic leaders during that difficult time. (We are all going to die! Let's give up.)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

1. Physicians in France are treating every COVID-19 patient with symptoms with the anti malaria drug and a wide spectrum antibiotic. It's not a total cure but it also is not faux science.
2. For those who criticize the President for being optimistic, I am glad that you were not around during WWII. Imagine if we had pessimistic leaders during that difficult time.

1. That is not true. They are experimenting and testing a small population with this combination, to learn whether or not it is a viable, practical treatment.

2. If we had pessimistic leaders during WWII, we might have participated earlier in the war, and ended it sooner.

[TexaninVA]

Curious as to whether this view is only believed by Fox News viewers?

I really think it's time for all of us to get beyond the putdowns ... 'fox news viewers," 'cnn veiwers,' etc.

It is appropriate to ask however what's the balance between common sense preparedness and panic buying / hoarding?

[blueash]

1. Physicians in France are treating every COVID-19 patient with symptoms with the anti malaria drug and a wide spectrum antibiotic. It's not a total cure but it also is not faux science.
2. For those who criticize the President for being optimistic, I am glad that you were not around during WWII. Imagine if we had pessimistic leaders during that difficult time.

Please stop making up [lying] about this illness. I realize that you are just modeling behavior you see on TV, but perhaps you can do better than those examples.

Physicians in France are 100% absolutely NOT treating every Covid-19 patient with symptoms as you claimed. I'd love you to add links or citations when you bloviate.
Here is the actual situation:
A single report on a few patients with a control group showed a decreased the duration of viral shedding in the treated group. This was reported a few days ago. There was no data on severity of symptoms reported.

Here is what seems to be an accurate statement of the situation in France (https://www.thelocal.fr/20200324/france-allows-chloroquine-to-be-given-to-gravest-coronavirus-cases). You might note it is entirely different than your "alternative fact"

he anti-malarial drug chloroquine can be administered in France to patients suffering from the severest forms of the coronavirus but only under strict supervision, Health Minister Olivier Veran said on Monday.
Citing a ruling adopted after a meeting of France's high public health council, Veran said the drug could not be used to treat milder cases of the illness.
Some researchers have said chloroquine shows great promise as a treatment, though scientists have agreed that more trials are needed to determine if the drug is really effective and safe.
"The high council recommends not to use this treatment... with the exception of grave cases, hospitalised, on the basis of a decision taken by doctors and under strict surveillance," Veran told reporters.

I apologize if this reply is harsh, but many posters have been so misinformed and posted such misleading lies that I am frustrated. And please don't try to characterize what is faux-science without learning what the scientific consensus might be. Hint: listen to Dr. Fauci not the person who speaks before him.

[TexaninVA]

1. That is not true. They are experimenting and testing a small population with this combination, to learn whether or not it is a viable, practical treatment.

2. If we had pessimistic leaders during WWII, we might have participated earlier in the war, and ended it sooner.

Regarding point #2, there is absolutely no basis to support either of those points. It took the Pearl Harbor attack to generate a consensus amongst the right wing American Firsters and left wing pacifists. There's also some evidence FDR was aware the attack would happen which, if true, was exactly what was needed in the broader scheme of things.

[TexaninVA]

Please DM me with your address in the Villages and I will bring you a couple rolls of TP and a roll of paper towels, and if you need rubbing alcohol let me know that as well and have an empty CLEANED class container available for a couple of ounces of it; I will pour some off from my quart for you.

Very nice of you to do this. Setting a positive example for others :a040:

[junction29]

What I was trying to say that if the Chinese wanted to develop biological war fare they would have done so much better than the coronavirus. This is a pretty pathetic and difficult to manipulate “weapon”.

The ONLY country that will emerge from this stronger economically is China, they already have their manufacturing almost back up at full capacity and the economic downturn that is hitting all the western countries is huge - China will emerge from this as a far stronger nation economically, whilst every other country will be very significantly poorer - sadly, I believe that this is not the last of these types of viruses we will be seeing 👿👿 their government doesn’t care if there are a few thousand Chinese casualties to achieve their aim of world domination - sorry to sound paranoid, but the more I see of what is happening around the world, the more convinced I am that China is at the bottom of a very real threat to the world economy for their own benefit 👿👿

[golfing eagles]

Curious as to whether this view is only believed by Fox News viewers?

Maybe, but that's because the sky has already fallen on MSNBC viewers:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[skyking]

They are doing more than research.

[billethkid]

how about setting aside the carping and slamming and stick to the serious subject at hand.

Amazing how some just cannot set differences aside and respect others views......when all gets said and done it amounts about as much as picking fly $hit out of pepper!

[TexaninVA]

I think pointing out the conflicting messages being sent is very valid.

Adding confusion to fear and anxiety is not a good thing.

Everyone should call out those who are simply twisting information to serve another purpose no matter who those people are.

As someone who is a bit "nerdy" about factual information, I think two things, especially in the current situation.

1. Make sure you are not simply sharing an opinion, not based on anything other than anecdotal backup.

2. Everyone who shares "info" on here should allow a link so others can validate, in their mind, the validity.

I agree with your points, in particular providing links where possible so other can gauge their accuracy. We also need to, at the same time and when it comes up, disagree without being disagreeable. Casual, pointless and gratuitous insults (ie calling someone a "liar") are harmful not helpful.

[Fastskiguy]

This is the site I've been using to monitor the number of cases....it was 200,000 on Thursday, it just topped 400,000 today. That's doubling in 5 days.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 401,013 Cases and 17,480 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)

[golfing eagles]

This is the site I've been using to monitor the number of cases....it was 200,000 on Thursday, it just topped 400,000 today. That's doubling in 5 days.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 401,013 Cases and 17,480 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)

But that doesn't mean there are 200,000 new cases, due to the increased testing some of that increase was expected, ie: they were already cases

[ColdNoMore]

But that doesn't mean there are 200,000 new cases, due to the increased testing some of that increase was expected, ie: they were already cases

Don't be so pedantic. :oops:


It's simply a valid comparison of...apples to apples. :ohdear:

[golfing eagles]

Don't be so pedantic. :oops:


It's simply a valid comparison of...apples to apples. :ohdear:

Sorry, but it's hardly a comparison of apples to apples. It's more like doing an apple count, and the following week realizing you didn't count an entire warehouse full of apples, and then stating the apple harvest has doubled in a week.

[skyking]

Pence says "FDA approving 'off label' use for Chloroquine, no barrier to access'".

Not sure what this means in practice.

[TexaninVA]

Pence says "FDA approving 'off label' use for Chloroquine, no barrier to access'.

Not sure what this means in practice.

Had a similar reaction ... I think he means a doctor can prescribe it if he /she thinks it might work for a covid patient who’s running out of options

[Bucco]

As example....


"Amid the pandemic of COVID-19 for which there is currently no treatment, doctors have urged the public not to self medicate after an Arizona man died and his wife was put in critical care. The pair, both in their 60s, took chloroquine phosphate, an additive used to clean fish tanks."

Health Officials Warn Against Self-Medicating With Chloroquine for Coronavirus After Man Dies From Taking Fish Tank Cleaner (https://www.newsweek.com/health-officials-warn-against-self-medicating-chloroquine-coronavirus-after-man-dies-taking-fish-1493874)

Because some cannot keep quiet, does not mean you need believe them.

They heard for weeks "this drug" could help....heard that part but ignored the constant warning from others on the same stage.

[golfing eagles]

///

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Pence says "FDA approving 'off label' use for Chloroquine, no barrier to access'".

Not sure what this means in practice.

What it means in practice, is that people will be demanding (and hording) a drug that has no *proven* efficacy in treating COVID-19, has some potentially lethal side effects when used off-label, and will prevent people who actually need it for their already-existing illnesses (such as lupus) from getting access to it due to reduced availability.

[retiredguy123]

Pence says "FDA approving 'off label' use for Chloroquine, no barrier to access'".

Not sure what this means in practice.
Not sure, but I thought a doctor could prescribe a drug for "off label" use without FDA approval. That is why it is called "off label" use.

[TexaninVA]

What it means in practice, is that people will be demanding (and hording) a drug that has no *proven* efficacy in treating COVID-19, has some potentially lethal side effects when used off-label, and will prevent people who actually need it for their already-existing illnesses (such as lupus) from getting access to it due to reduced availability.

You’re probably right ... desperate people do desperate things. However someone ingesting a fish tank cleaner is ... well, panicked

[Lil GTO]

Couldn't agree with you more.

It’s hard for me to believe that people in general are so scared.

We’ve all weathered much worse at our age and even though we know better we let the media control our thoughts and actions.

To me it’s sad and quite stupid.


That thinks this mass hysteria is ridiculous? People panicking over TP. People buying guns and ammo.

Im shocked at TV...at our age we have gone thru worse. So many veterans here that went thru worse.

We have no kids here to protect and feed. But the entitled worry warts have cleaned out the stores.

Wait for two years and the news will have articles on the Year the World Went Nuts

Sorry...not buying it...scientists and politicians just love to control.

[skyking]

Couldn't agree with you more.

It’s hard for me to believe that people in general are so scared.

We’ve all weathered much worse at our age and even though we know better we let the media control our thoughts and actions.

To me it’s sad and quite stupid.

Agree! And by the way Dollar Tree on 466a has toilet paper. Four small rolls for a dollar!

[Aloha1]

This is the site I've been using to monitor the number of cases....it was 200,000 on Thursday, it just topped 400,000 today. That's doubling in 5 days.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 401,013 Cases and 17,480 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)

And why is it doubling?? Certainly twice the number did not just come down with it. This is all about testing. The more testing, the more positives, WHO AREADY HAVE IT, will be found. Hyping the raw number does no one a service.

[retiredguy123]

And why is it doubling?? Certainly twice the number did not just come down with it. This is all about testing. The more testing, the more positives, WHO AREADY HAVE IT, will be found. Hyping the raw number does no one a service.
I agree. If they are going to report the number of positive tests, they should also report the number of negative tests. Otherwise the data is meaningless.

[skyking]

What it means in practice, is that people will be demanding (and hording) a drug that has no *proven* efficacy in treating COVID-19, has some potentially lethal side effects when used off-label, and will prevent people who actually need it for their already-existing illnesses (such as lupus) from getting access to it due to reduced availability.

????
The Ohio Board of Pharmacy has instituted rules requiring a physician to document that the patient has tested positive.

Cincinnati.com: Ohio pharmacy board restricts prescriptions for experimental coronavirus treatment drugs

Coronavirus: Ohio pharmacy restricts prescriptions for experimental drugs (https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2020/03/22/coronavirus-ohio-pharmacy-board-restricts-prescriptions-experimental-drugs/2894309001/)

[justjim]

Guess they are eating home so much that a couple in TV need 100 rolls of toilet paper?

Dont talk about “facts”....this is nothing more than speculation and hysterical fear.

No proof yet this will be worse than H1N1 or a bad flu season.

With all due respect, the Coronavirus and the bad flu are totally different. There are drugs for the flu and in most cases a vaccine. At this point in time, we have neither for the Coronavirus. We need to lower the curve to save as many lives as we can.

[DonnaNi4os]

Check the statistics. People are contracting this virus and dying. I’m safely at home with my dog. The numbers in NY and NJ are multiplying rapidly. My daughter bowls with 2 people in NJ who contracted COVID-19. One recovered and is home from the hospital, the other is still hospitalized and is on a respirator. Whether you believe it or not, this is a real threat, especially to our demographics. I have a cousin whose friend has died of the virus. I’m not an alarmist but I am intelligent enough to understand the facts. Yes, the economy is disastrous right now. But is you put everyone back together again they will be together in a cemetery. Look at what is happening in Italy. They waited to self isolate and now the physicians have stopped treating the very elderly. That is known as “thinning of the herd”. Open your eyes.

[TexaninVA]

I agree. If they are going to report the number of positive tests, they should also report the number of negative tests. Otherwise the data is meaningless.

The Surgeon General said today, in Trumps virtual town hall, that about 90% of people who are now being tested come back negative 👎... ie no covid19.

That number however is only about 75% for those in NYC area.

[Byte1]

Curious as to whether this view is only believed by Fox News viewers?

I think you have it backwards. That view is definitely NOT a conservative view.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I agree. If they are going to report the number of positive tests, they should also report the number of negative tests. Otherwise the data is meaningless.

I don't know who you mean by "they" but the reports exist and the information is publicly accessible:

Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429)

Big letters on the left:

Total Tests
15,547
Positive
1,412
Negative
13,127
Results Pending
1,008

[bilcon]

I still can't figure the guns and ammo angle. Are they afraid people will go crazy and start robbing or attacking you for your toilet paper?

[rferg40]

Here are your statistics if we don't stop this. Estimated number of people infected 40 to 80% of the U.S. population. Mortality rate from the World Health Organization is 3.6% (significantly higher among those over 70). 330 million people in the U.S at a 40% infection rate means that 132 million people infected. 3.6% of those will die. That is 4,752,000 dead people (most of them over 70).

[golfing eagles]

Here are your statistics if we don't stop this. Estimated number of people infected 40 to 80% of the U.S. population. Mortality rate from the World Health Organization is 3.6% (significantly higher among those over 70). 330 million people in the U.S at a 40% infection rate means that 132 million people infected. 3.6% of those will die. That is 4,752,000 dead people (most of them over 70).

An estimate like that doesn't even rate a response

[Aces4]

As example....


"Amid the pandemic of COVID-19 for which there is currently no treatment, doctors have urged the public not to self medicate after an Arizona man died and his wife was put in critical care. The pair, both in their 60s, took chloroquine phosphate, an additive used to clean fish tanks."

Health Officials Warn Against Self-Medicating With Chloroquine for Coronavirus After Man Dies From Taking Fish Tank Cleaner (https://www.newsweek.com/health-officials-warn-against-self-medicating-chloroquine-coronavirus-after-man-dies-taking-fish-1493874)

Because some cannot keep quiet, does not mean you need believe them.

They heard for weeks "this drug" could help....heard that part but ignored the constant warning from others on the same stage.


So people are hoarding, having panic attacks, buying guns and ammo because of the media and it’s own “ special” hype?

[Aces4]

1. That is not true. They are experimenting and testing a small population with this combination, to learn whether or not it is a viable, practical treatment.

2. If we had pessimistic leaders during WWII, we might have participated earlier in the war, and ended it sooner.

Are you saying you think President Roosevelt was asleep at the wheel?

[Bucco]

So people are hoarding, having panic attacks, buying guns and ammo because of the media and it’s own “ special” hype?

You obviously did not read or comprehend the story. And it was NOT the media who poisoned the mans mind to do this. Only media involvement was aiming the camera

Read it t again....as far as the media.....many of them spent the last week warning everyone this might happen.

You have a unique lack of understanding.

[Aces4]

[QUOTE=Bucco;1732980]You obviously did not read or comprehend the story. And it was NOT the media who poisoned the mans mind to do this. Only media involvement was aiming the camera

Read it t again....as far as the media.....many of them spent the last week warning everyone this might happen.

You have a unique lack of understanding.[/QUOTE



Lol, right... I won’t waste anymore time on this. Most people are wise to the media.:1rotfl:

[Edjkoz]

No, you are not the only one and that is why the virus continues to spread.

So, you can sit home, button up and not be in contact with anyone and collect your social security check and you’ll be fine but what about 5hose who depend on a paycheck? They need to get back to work and this hysteria isn’t helping

[Two Bills]

Can you not wonder why so many are not taking this virus seriously, and continue to ignore all warnings
Conflicting and dramatic facts and advice from news sources.
'Experts' being wheeled out in never ending numbers, to spout their latest theories and agenda,
Hospitals practicaly begging for such basic things as masks, and a lack of testing kits, yet the population is assured that all is 'Perfect' and under control
Now the latest quote from the President that he is hoping to have America open for business, and lifting many of the restrictions by Easter.
No worries there then!

Meanwhile in New York and other major cities............................:shrug:

Stay well.

[retiredguy123]

I don't know who you mean by "they" but the reports exist and the information is publicly accessible:

Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429)

Big letters on the left:

Total Tests
15,547
Positive
1,412
Negative
13,127
Results Pending
1,008
I mean almost all of the national television news channels. All day long, they are displaying a chart showing "total cases" and "deaths", which is misleading to many people because the chart does not show the number of tests performed. As the number of tests increase, the number of reported cases will also increase.

[TexaninVA]

Can you not wonder why so many are not taking this virus seriously, and continue to ignore all warnings
Conflicting and dramatic facts and advice from news sources.
'Experts' being wheeled out in never ending numbers, to spout their latest theories and agenda,
Hospitals practicaly begging for such basic things as masks, and a lack of testing kits, yet the population is assured that all is 'Perfect' and under control
Now the latest quote from the President that he is hoping to have America open for business, and lifting many of the restrictions by Easter.
No worries there then!

Meanwhile in New York and other major cities............................:shrug:

Stay well.

At some point, we'll have to make a decision about when we open back up for business. Do we stay shuttered in for another month, three months, or what?

At some point, if we stay closed "forever," the economy simply falls apart and we'll then have different problems causing many more deaths, not to mention civil disorder.

[Two Bills]

At some point, we'll have to make a decision about when we open back up for business. Do we stay shuttered in for another month, three months, or what?

At some point, if we stay closed "forever," the economy simply falls apart and we'll then have different problems causing many more deaths, not to mention civil disorder.

Totaly agree, but 2-3 weeks?
Most city outbreaks will hardly have peaked by then, if the other cities in the world are anything to go by.

[TexaninVA]

Totaly agree, but 2-3 weeks?
Most city outbreaks will hardly have peaked by then, if the other cities in the world are anything to go by.

No one knows the exact time we have to open back up.

Agree with you 2-3 weeks won't work in NYC for sure but maybe in more rural areas??

No easy answers. All we can do is band together, avoid the partisan carping, and strive to get it right. Some of this will be playing it by ear.

[Madelaine Amee]

No one knows the exact time we have to open back up.

Agree with you 2-3 weeks won't work in NYC for sure but maybe in more rural areas??

No easy answers. All we can do is band together, avoid the partisan carping, and strive to get it right. Some of this will be playing it by ear.

Wrong ............ this should be decided by the CDC.

[Bogie Shooter]

At some point, we'll have to make a decision about when we open back up for business. Do we stay shuttered in for another month, three months, or what?

At some point, if we stay closed "forever," the economy simply falls apart and we'll then have different problems causing many more deaths, not to mention civil disorder.
What is many more? What is the basis for this statement?

[Bogie Shooter]

No one knows the exact time we have to open back up.

Agree with you 2-3 weeks won't work in NYC for sure but maybe in more rural areas??

No easy answers. All we can do is band together, avoid the partisan carping, and strive to get it right. Some of this will be playing it by ear.

Not a lot of people out of work in "rural areas".

[amexsbow]

Guess who survives in a crisis. The ones who are prepared. I was a team leader in our company's emergency response organization. We had a plan, we put our plan into action. We maintained our plan's readiness action items. That's why some don't panic at the first sign of trouble. My wife and I learned the hard way after surviving a hurricane direct hit. Now we are preppers. Get a plan, and be prepared next time.

[amexsbow]

Bilcon,
I went through Hurricane Katrina. Yes, you need to be able to protect yourself. When civil order breaks down the predators come out in droves. They go for the easy targets first. Older people are a prime target. Wealthy (by the predators standards) home owners in nice neighborhoods are prime targets. I know I was there. Anyone who was isolated. When the police were called it sometimes took hours not minutes for a response.

[retiredguy123]

Wrong ............ this should be decided by the CDC.
We didn't elect the CDC to make these types of decisions. The CDC can make recommendations, but the decision should be made by the elected Government officials.

[TexaninVA]

Wrong ............ this should be decided by the CDC.

You missed my point, or maybe I wasn't clear enough?

Dr. Birks was basically saying this yesterday. Playing by ear in the sense CDC and the various other authorities will have to make the best recommendations they can on incomplete data.

[TexaninVA]

What is many more? What is the basis for this statement?

The basis for this statement is my best judgment and assessment.

Let’s say hypothetically the medical authorities determine zero risk of coronavirus is achieved by everyone staying housebound for one year. The problem is, if this is done nationally in all locations, the economy stops, goods eventually become scare, people run out of essentials and so forth. Medications become hard to get along with food. Older people start to get sick and die.

As food runs out, people, probably starting in ethnically diverse neighborhoods in the large cities, start to pillage and then eventually riot. Civil disorder would then ensue.

By the way, this is why many people do in fact have numerous firearms and ammo etc stockpiled. This is often laughed at by those who consider themselves more sophisticated and tend to favor strict gun restrictions. There may be a change of opinion, over time by some, on this issue.

In any event, at some point (and that’s the tough part … which point) we have to get back to business.

[TexaninVA]

Bilcon,
I went through Hurricane Katrina. Yes, you need to be able to protect yourself. When civil order breaks down the predators come out in droves. They go for the easy targets first. Older people are a prime target. Wealthy (by the predators standards) home owners in nice neighborhoods are prime targets. I know I was there. Anyone who was isolated. When the police were called it sometimes took hours not minutes for a response.

This is, unfortunately, a reality of life.

I think many on this board are in denial about it. There's also probably a correlation between those who deny this reality and who likewise abhor or otherwise don't own firearms.

[Bogie Shooter]

The basis for this statement is my best judgment and assessment.

Let’s say hypothetically the medical authorities determine zero risk of coronavirus is achieved by everyone staying housebound for one year. The problem is, if this is done nationally in all locations, the economy stops, goods eventually become scare, people run out of essentials and so forth. Medications become hard to get along with food. Older people start to get sick and die.

As food runs out, people, probably starting in ethnically diverse neighborhoods in the large cities, start to pillage and then eventually riot. Civil disorder would then ensue.

By the way, this is why many people do in fact have numerous firearms and ammo etc stockpiled. This is often laughed at by those who consider themselves more sophisticated and tend to favor strict gun restrictions. There may be a change of opinion, over time by some, on this issue.

In any event, at some point (and that’s the tough part … which point) we have to get back to business.

It is my best judgment and assessment, to disagree.

[Bucco]

The basis for this statement is my best judgment and assessment.

Let’s say hypothetically the medical authorities determine zero risk of coronavirus is achieved by everyone staying housebound for one year. The problem is, if this is done nationally in all locations, the economy stops, goods eventually become scare, people run out of essentials and so forth. Medications become hard to get along with food. Older people start to get sick and die.

As food runs out, people, probably starting in ethnically diverse neighborhoods in the large cities, start to pillage and then eventually riot. Civil disorder would then ensue.

By the way, this is why many people do in fact have numerous firearms and ammo etc stockpiled. This is often laughed at by those who consider themselves more sophisticated and tend to favor strict gun restrictions. There may be a change of opinion, over time by some, on this issue.

In any event, at some point (and that’s the tough part … which point) we have to get back to business.

Your "hypothetically" is bizarre, totally unreal, and has no basis whatsoever in the real world. It sounds like a weird novel.

This is a forum to share information, NOT alternate world theories.

[TexaninVA]

Your "hypothetically" is bizarre, totally unreal, and has no basis whatsoever in the real world. It sounds like a weird novel.

This is a forum to share information, NOT alternate world theories.

Hey, you're entitled to your opinion. I'm not going to insult or argue with you over it.

I think my earlier scenario is, albeit uncomfortable, reasonable under the terms in which I outlined it. Feel free to ignore it.

[Bogie Shooter]

Your "hypothetically" is bizarre, totally unreal, and has no basis whatsoever in the real world. It sounds like a weird novel.

This is a forum to share information, NOT alternate world theories.

But it did include race and guns...…………………..

[TexaninVA]

But it did include race and guns...…………………..

It actually addressed reality, which some people somehow find offensive ... quite peculiar.

[Bucco]

But it did include race and guns...…………………..

Sadly, very sadly, as has become the norms with lying.

You get so infiltrated that you begin to think it's normal, and it is the opposite of normal.

Same with the guns and race....you just expect that kind of thing from certain groups and people.

To be clear, the lying, race hating and gun things are abhorrent behavior, non normal in any sense.

[TexaninVA]

Sadly, very sadly, as has become the norms with lying.

You get so infiltrated that you begin to think it's normal, and it is the opposite of normal.

Same with the guns and race....you just expect that kind of thing from certain groups and people.

To be clear, the lying, race hating and gun things are abhorrent behavior, non normal in any sense.

I agree ... lying, racism and illegal usage of guns are abhorrent.

[Bucco]

It actually addressed reality, which some people somehow find offensive ... quite peculiar.

Peculiar to me is your acceptance of such hateful things. That is really sad.

[TexaninVA]

Peculiar to me is your acceptance of such hateful things. That is really sad.

That’s the thing about reality. It is what it is and none of us can change it.

Sometimes reality intrudes in unfortunate ways.

I think most people recognize that’s accurate even if uncomfortable.

[Bucco]

That’s the thing about reality. It is what it is and none of us can change it.

Sometimes reality intrudes in unfortunate ways.

I think most people recognize that’s accurate even if uncomfortable.

Reality is reality.

My comments have reluctantly begun to realize that certain of the populace embrace an alternate reality, devoid of facts and truth, and while not facing east or anything so dramatic, they bow to a central central lead in their feelings and listen for what this truths are on each day.

I cannot change that, thus until further notice, I simply accept that there are folks like that. I still hold onto my beliefs of truth and facts along wit morality and more than that I cannot do.

When I enjoyed the privilege of “working” in Washington, I grabbed onto reality....have not changed at all,while so many have marched behind an alternate reality.

[TexaninVA]

Reality is reality.

My comments have reluctantly begun to realize that certain of the populace embrace an alternate reality, devoid of facts and truth, and while not facing east or anything so dramatic, they bow to a central central lead in their feelings and listen for what this truths are on each day.

I cannot change that, thus until further notice, I simply accept that there are folks like that. I still hold onto my beliefs of truth and facts along wit morality and more than that I cannot do.

When I enjoyed the privilege of “working” in Washington, I grabbed onto reality....have not changed at all,while so many have marched behind an alternate reality.

You’re basically saying you have a lock on the truth, and that your reality is exclusively based on facts, truths etc. Other people, ie other than you, rely on their feelings and all the stuff you said.

It’s nice that you’re willing to let others continue in their misguided ways.

I worked in DC for 28 years so I too have experienced various types of reality.

Really, go back and re-read what you wrote. It’s like you think your gifted with a special sense of nobility. Am I misreading your comments?

[Twiganne]

I suppose some that are over prepping have either lived through, or know at least one family member, who lived through the Great Depression. I only heard my grandma talk about what it was like. Perhaps people are fearing another depression where little goods would be available and a lot of people couldn’t afford them. Do you think that may have something to do with it? What concerns me, as a nurse, is still seeing people out and about with no regard to the social distancing. I don’t get it because of the high risk population we have in TV. The virus is real and precautions may save your life or someone else's. Please be smart and stay in unless absolutely necessary.

[Twiganne]

Yep. The people with the highest risks are still doing daily shopping. Why most of the food will go to waste. The most humorous part of this whole thing is watching people in TV panicking because now they have to cook.