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Villageswimmer
03-24-2020, 05:48 PM
How can anyone maintain social distancing on a plane?
Or self isolation?

This gets more absurd by the minute.

NotGolfer
03-24-2020, 06:03 PM
Good question and where would they isolate when they arrived? I think I'd stay put.

vintageogauge
03-24-2020, 06:25 PM
Good question and where would they isolate when they arrived? I think I'd stay put.

They are already here, plane loads of New Yorkers coming down every day, they showed the flight numbers arriving in Orlando last evening on the news. These people should not have been allowed on planes period until this is over, they left mandatory isolation to get here do they really think they will voluntarily isolate themselves, I think not. Now the Governor wants Floridians over 65 to self isolate for 14 days, this is really getting out of hand.

TexaninVA
03-24-2020, 07:33 PM
How can anyone maintain social distancing on a plane?
Or self isolation?

This gets more absurd by the minute.

Well, you can't do it on a plane obviously although a lot of them are flying 1/2 full so maybe somewhat.

The issue is this: lots of NY refugees come to TV and the very first thing they'll do is go to Walmart, Publix, etc and stock up. It's almost inevitable they will spread it.

De Santis quarantining those arriving by air is a good move. But, to be effective, Cuomo or De Blasio would have to lock down the city.

Northwoods
03-24-2020, 08:17 PM
Stop planes coming from the Northeast. New Yorkers are taking advantage of the cheap flights plus they want to escape the quarantine. SO.... stop the flights.

OrangeBlossomBaby
03-24-2020, 08:39 PM
Well, you can't do it on a plane obviously although a lot of them are flying 1/2 full so maybe somewhat.

The issue is this: lots of NY refugees come to TV and the very first thing they'll do is go to Walmart, Publix, etc and stock up. It's almost inevitable they will spread it.

De Santis quarantining those arriving by air is a good move. But, to be effective, Cuomo or De Blasio would have to lock down the city.

Lots of them will fly to Atlanta and drive here, if they learn they are required to quarantine if they come directly from New York.

Thing is - there's nothing to DO in Florida, while Florida is in the middle of its own shut-down process. If they're coming south to escape the virus in the north, then they're just bringing the virus with them. We already have it here - we don't need more of it.

We need to shut down OUR airports.

We can't prevent people from driving over our state line - there's no way to physically do that. But we can drastically reduce the risk of infection by shutting the airports down, and ordering all hotels to cancel bookings from out-of-state visitors - and possibly even give them financial incentive to provide temporary quarantine housing for homeless Floridians.

Marvic 1
03-24-2020, 09:22 PM
The Villages need to STOP issuing Visitors Pass until things get back to normal....
Especially those coming here from New York and staying with Grandma'.

EdFNJ
03-24-2020, 09:30 PM
Unfortunately Florida Gov can't shut down airports just like he can't make Daylight Savings Time year round. Only the Feds can. Besides, you have to remember planes don't all come directly here then go back where they came from. Many flights travel across the country and go THROUGH here to go elsewhere. Closing the airport here would lead to a domino effect disaster for people going THROUGH here but not stopping.

EdFNJ
03-24-2020, 09:32 PM
The Villages need to STOP issuing Visitors Pass until things get back to normal....
Especially those coming here from New York and staying with Grandma'. Except you don't need a visitor's pass to come here, only to use the facilities which are closed anyway. This isn't Russia, you don't need a pass from Mr POOTIN to visit.

TexaninVA
03-24-2020, 09:36 PM
Lots of them will fly to Atlanta and drive here, if they learn they are required to quarantine if they come directly from New York.

Thing is - there's nothing to DO in Florida, while Florida is in the middle of its own shut-down process. If they're coming south to escape the virus in the north, then they're just bringing the virus with them. We already have it here - we don't need more of it.

We need to shut down OUR airports.

We can't prevent people from driving over our state line - there's no way to physically do that. But we can drastically reduce the risk of infection by shutting the airports down, and ordering all hotels to cancel bookings from out-of-state visitors - and possibly even give them financial incentive to provide temporary quarantine housing for homeless Floridians.

I hate to say this, but thinking about it more and seeing yours and some other replies, what really needs to happen is the declaration of martial law in and around NYC ... and physically prevent the refugees from spreading the virus further. That is, they HAVE to stay put.

I say that with regrets because I grew up in that area and feel sorry for them.

Edjkoz
03-24-2020, 09:55 PM
How can anyone maintain social distancing on a plane?
Or self isolation?

This gets more absurd by the minute.

The idea is to self quarantine when you get here. Leaving a hot zone like NY and coming here is irresponsible.

Sensei
03-25-2020, 04:41 AM
We can't prevent people from driving over our state line - there's no way to physically do that. BUILD THE WALL !!!

curioushomeowner
03-25-2020, 05:23 AM
In my opinion they should not be flying anywhere if they can avoid it! Why possibly expose others to this virus if they are a carrier? Of course, you cannot practice social distancing in an airplane so that's why you should not be on one.

MOMOH
03-25-2020, 05:26 AM
Aren't NY City and State already locked down? Before the lockdown flights were reduced to 20 per day. They've crept up to 190 per day. These people would have a better chance of avoiding the virus if they stayed home and stayed inside. We're only at the beginning here.

Alana33
03-25-2020, 05:27 AM
I flew from St. Thomas VI last night.
Their governor instituted a 30 day closure of ALL hotel, villa, airbnb, vacation rentals in the VI.
Many businesses limit amount of people allowed in at a time. Majority of people following shelter in place.

Most people leaving STT wore gloves and masks. I watched planes come in while waiting to fly out with minimal passengers. There were 6 on one AA incoming flight. Maybe 40 passengers to Miami airport and business class had 3 people. Miami airport was basically empty. Flt. from Mia to Orlando had 30 passengers and its airport was same.
I took the Villages Airport Shuttle.
My dog and I were their only passengers. Very little traffic.
Since I travel with my 65lb dog, I can only fly on BOEING aircrafts.
Planned on returning on Wednesday but AA called me on Monday at 9:30 pm to advise that unless I took Tuesday flight, I wouldn't be able to travel with my dog as they were instituting a travel embargo on pets in cargo on Wednesday.
Was glad to make it back.

Both flights announced to passengers that if they weren't traveling with family, they were welcome to spread out in the empty seats.
Y'all be safe.

RobertWR
03-25-2020, 05:40 AM
We have a home in TV and in Ohio. We left Florida on February 23rd, thought it would be for 3 weeks and we would return to TV. We are staying in Ohio because it is the responsible thing to do. We would rather be in Florida enjoying the nice weather but it can wait. We want to be healthy and alive so we can do that in the future.

lesser160@aol.com
03-25-2020, 05:51 AM
Stop planes coming from the Northeast. New Yorkers are taking advantage of the cheap flights plus they want to escape the quarantine. SO.... stop the flights.

Absolutely 👍

Chatbrat
03-25-2020, 06:06 AM
How do you control a self- quarantine ? You can't--the only way is to quarantine ,NY, CT & NJ-till this event passes

GaryKoca
03-25-2020, 06:15 AM
Apparently they are flying in without being tested, and without even being told to self isolate for 14 days. WESH 2 news interviewed people last night who said they flew in from New York, were not tested here, and were not even told about self isolating for 14 days. When we called the Orlando Airport and asked them what they are doing about this, they said "nothing." That makes no sense at all.

kenoc7
03-25-2020, 06:30 AM
There are a lot of uninformed statements here. I'm in day 11 of 14 days of self-isolation after returning to Toronto from The Villages. There is no reason why people returning to The Villages from anywhere can't self-isolate - it isn't pleasant but it is possible as long as someone buys groceries for you. So if you are concerned, and you know a returnee, offer to buy groceries for them and leave them by the front door.

RoVer
03-25-2020, 06:31 AM
How can anyone maintain social distancing on a plane?
Or self isolation?

This gets more absurd by the minute.

Self-isolation means staying indoors and completely avoiding contact with other people. You do that by ordering your groceries delivered from Publix on-line. The delivery person leaves them at the garage door and after he/she is gone you retrieve the stuff with gloves and mask on and throw out the plastic before wiping down whatever you bought and taking it in. Use Clorox solution if possible. You don't keep your doctor's appointment, or any appointment. You stay inside the house and don't answer the door if somebody knocks. If your yard is fenced you let your dog out on its own. If you must walk your dog you do it at some odd hour in the night when you won't encounter others. If you don't do these things there is a high probability you will die, so it seems worth the effort. They've proven the virus can hang in the air. If you walk into a room 20 minutes after an infected person walked through it, you can breathe in the virus. If everybody stays home in The Villages we can defeat The Virus. I've been indoors going on 3 weeks now, getting lots accomplished. It's easy. Relax.

Sallie1740
03-25-2020, 06:38 AM
One idiot on the news yesterday who came off a plane was interviewed. They asked her if she would self isolate. She replied that she only gets 2 weeks for vacation so she can't spend it all in isolation!

Jewelz
03-25-2020, 06:41 AM
It is amazing that people can't follow simple rules.
STAY HOME PEOPLE!!!!

MoNonnon
03-25-2020, 06:45 AM
All of the Rec Centers are now closed, so no visitors passes....

theruizs
03-25-2020, 07:07 AM
The Villages need to STOP issuing Visitors Pass until things get back to normal....
Especially those coming here from New York and staying with Grandma'.

But they would still be here, going to the grocery store, etc. Besides, right now a pass doesn’t really get them anything anyway, everything that needs a pass is closed.

rlcooper70
03-25-2020, 07:12 AM
If there is humor in any of this .... all of the "migration out" could have been stopped by any functional leadership .... its too late now. They are already here.

Chatbrat
03-25-2020, 07:12 AM
Maybe they should be questioned , what is the purpose of this trip--my mother-in law, used to have a favorite expression from WW ll--"is this trip necessary ?"

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
03-25-2020, 07:34 AM
All of the Rec Centers are now closed, so no visitors passes....

I was about to post the same thing until I realized that they are needed for golf. And that's about the only thing that there is to do around here now.

Dzurinko
03-25-2020, 07:35 AM
Best we can do is all contact DeSantis and ask him to stop this nonsense! How many of those NY’ers will be staying with mom in TV passing it to us? This must STOP or we’ll be another NYC!

BeauJangles
03-25-2020, 07:43 AM
The Villages need to STOP issuing Visitors Pass until things get back to normal....
Especially those coming here from New York and staying with Grandma'.

Guest passes Are no longer being issued since the rec centers are shut down. Anyway, at this point, the only thing they would use a guest pass for is to play golf. At least that is the way I see it.

Lindsyburnsy
03-25-2020, 07:57 AM
Yet, the rest of Florida still isn't on lockdown? None of it makes sense. Many of the mayors seem to be doing what's necessary in spite of not having specific orders.

daca55
03-25-2020, 08:00 AM
Stop planes coming from the Northeast. New Yorkers are taking advantage of the cheap flights plus they want to escape the quarantine. SO.... stop the flights.

I agree! With 190 flights a day from NY not to mention flights from other airports with NY passengers it is out of control and not fair to Floridians. The answer is to shut everything down including golf courses and beaches so there is nothing to do here for a while. Both federal and some state officials seem more worried about the economy then people getting sick. If we continue doing what we are doing now FL will be the next NY.

davem4616
03-25-2020, 08:14 AM
How can anyone maintain social distancing on a plane?
Or self isolation?

This gets more absurd by the minute.


Alaska is now requiring all traveling there to have self isolated for 14 days before coming...nice idea, the logistics on how to actually do this is unclear....perhaps you have to slowly drive through Canada?

It appears that the main point of all this is STAY WHERE YOU ARE....otherwise you become part of the problem

duh!!

davem4616
03-25-2020, 08:16 AM
We have a home in TV and in Ohio. We left Florida on February 23rd, thought it would be for 3 weeks and we would return to TV. We are staying in Ohio because it is the responsible thing to do. We would rather be in Florida enjoying the nice weather but it can wait. We want to be healthy and alive so we can do that in the future.


thank you for being responsible and for thinking clearly

Chatbrat
03-25-2020, 08:27 AM
It was ousted stated 60% of all the current cases in the country have been traced to people traveling from NY--DeSantis get on the stick & block all traffic from NY--air e everything--the way Ca. checks all produce entering their state--turn them back

GoodLife
03-25-2020, 08:32 AM
83282

Send in Snake Plissken

raney3099
03-25-2020, 08:51 AM
Right now don’t need passes if the pools and rec centers are closed.

billethkid
03-25-2020, 08:55 AM
It was ousted stated 60% of all the current cases in the country have been traced to people traveling from NY--DeSantis get on the stick & block all traffic from NY--air e everything--the way Ca. checks all produce entering their state--turn them back

Not going to happen.
Just like not closing the beaches.
The political mindset will not allow addressing disruption of some folks norm...completely bypassing doing what is right/needed.

Barefoot
03-25-2020, 09:03 AM
We need to shut down OUR airports.I agree with shutting down all airports.
It should be done federally, not state by state.

PugMom
03-25-2020, 10:05 AM
One idiot on the news yesterday who came off a plane was interviewed. They asked her if she would self isolate. She replied that she only gets 2 weeks for vacation so she can't spend it all in isolation!
i'm not worried, everything is shut down, there's literally NOTHING to do here. she will end up staying in & binging netflix

PugMom
03-25-2020, 10:15 AM
i'd like to make 1 small point during this whole event: there is a small segment of our population, that when faced with draconian methods of restriction, will simply rebel. i saw a story about 1 of these states that has been on severe lockdown, & the young people are no longer participating. they became fed up with the mass restrictions & are now gathering in large groups @ beaches, etc, in direct defiance of the law. (the students far outnumber police, btw) they participated @ 1st, but increasing steps limiting contact pushed them over the brink, & now they are doing as they please. i'm not recommending this, just something i saw/heard reported. so, i pose the question: is there a happy medium in all of this? thx

Marvic 1
03-25-2020, 10:19 AM
Except you don't need a visitor's pass to come here, only to use the facilities which are closed anyway. This isn't Russia, you don't need a pass from Mr POOTIN to visit.

Don't know if you know this or not but they would need a "Visitor's Pass" inorder to play Golf or even Pickleball which these facilities are still open to us..
So that means they would need to stay inside the house....
Enjoy you visitors but keep them inside especially if they come from NY...

Marvic 1
03-25-2020, 10:25 AM
Right now don’t need passes if the pools and rec centers are closed.

Your forgetting Golf Courses and Pickleball Courts which are still open....

Chatbrat
03-25-2020, 10:28 AM
Visitors from NY,NJ & CT & people housing them should stay in the hosts house from 15 days after the guests arrive, your clock is reset every time someone new descends on you--be smart--tell family & or friends don't come

OhioBuckeye
03-25-2020, 10:28 AM
How can anyone maintain social distancing on a plane?
Or self isolation?

This gets more absurd by the minute.
You shouldn't be somewhere where you have to get on a plane, if you're the one that has to get on a plane. I know you probably were already there & you have to get home. Personally I would of rented a car & I don't care if I had to drive coast to coast to get home, no way I would get on a plane right now. Also if I was that worried about it I would sleep in my car & not in a hotel on my way home. Anybody that got themselves in a situation that they have to take a plane to get home, well not trying to sound mean but just got to suck it up & quarantine yourself there or take your chances & fly home. We drove to Florida from Texas while Caronavirus was already bad & I rented a car & I wipe the whole inside of the car down with bleach water. I drove it all in 1 day there & when I came back too, a week later! In your defense, no you can't fly without rubbing shoulders with anybody or prevent from breathing recycled air in plane. I know I wasn't much help answering your question but if it's you that needs to get on a plane, you're sure got yourself in a pickle of a mess!

Marvic 1
03-25-2020, 10:37 AM
i'd like to make 1 small point during this whole event: there is a small segment of our population, that when faced with draconian methods of restriction, will simply rebel. i saw a story about 1 of these states that has been on severe lockdown, & the young people are no longer participating. they became fed up with the mass restrictions & are now gathering in large groups @ beaches, etc, in direct defiance of the law. (the students far outnumber police, btw) they participated @ 1st, but increasing steps limiting contact pushed them over the brink, & now they are doing as they please. i'm not recommending this, just something i saw/heard reported. so, i pose the question: is there a happy medium in all of this? thx

Maybe, just maybe we have to much FREEDOM and do what ever the hell we think we can do? :shrug:

Nucky
03-25-2020, 10:47 AM
When you meet a New Yorker that you can direct in any way send us a picture of the person. It ain't happening!

Term Limits!

newchapter
03-25-2020, 11:01 AM
They are already here, plane loads of New Yorkers coming down every day, they showed the flight numbers arriving in Orlando last evening on the news. These people should not have been allowed on planes period until this is over, they left mandatory isolation to get here do they really think they will voluntarily isolate themselves, I think not. Now the Governor wants Floridians over 65 to self isolate for 14 days, this is really getting out of hand.


I totally agree with you. People from New York and New Jersey should stay in their own state. We are full time residents in TV. What about the "landlords" here that lease their houses? How is that monitored? We, as residents, need to know who is moving in next to us.

EvelynEvagash
03-25-2020, 11:08 AM
Why are you calling all the people coming from NY refugees?? Maybe they are stock brokers, store owners, CEO's, etc. who have money to get out of the city.

wisbad1
03-25-2020, 11:35 AM
They are already here, plane loads of New Yorkers coming down every day, they showed the flight numbers arriving in Orlando last evening on the news. These people should not have been allowed on planes period until this is over, they left mandatory isolation to get here do they really think they will voluntarily isolate themselves, I think not. Now the Governor wants Floridians over 65 to self isolate for 14 days, this is really getting out of hand.
People getting off plane asked about self quarantine, all laughed and said no.

claricecolin
03-25-2020, 11:37 AM
Not all are fleeing the city. I typically come down once a month to check on Dad at his assisted living facility. Even though I speak to him daily I like to see him for myself. Luckily I listened to my hunch to come early this month before visitors were banned from his facility. I did lots of hand washing and no hugs. No time in the squares,stores or visiting Dad's previous neighbors.

The governor out this into effect yesterday with no notice. Exactly how is this being enforced? What are they doing about, cars, trains and buses?

Not everyone is coming here to escape. My biggest concern is that my Dad is safe. I have no issues about not seeing him due to the risk.

OrangeBlossomBaby
03-25-2020, 11:40 AM
Why are you calling all the people coming from NY refugees?? Maybe they are stock brokers, store owners, CEO's, etc. who have money to get out of the city.

Why do you think that refugees can't be stock brokers, store owners, CEOs, etc, who have money?

A refugee is ANYONE who flees for their lives from one place to another, in search of safety. The need to seek refuge knows no class or bank account balance.

mjpuleo
03-25-2020, 12:49 PM
I am a native New Yorker and have lived permanently in The Villages for 10 years so I have to agree with DeSantis and even go further to say shut down New York flights from anywhere in the country. This will all get worse before it gets better.

Villageswimmer
03-25-2020, 12:57 PM
You shouldn't be somewhere where you have to get on a plane, if you're the one that has to get on a plane. I know you probably were already there & you have to get home. Personally I would of rented a car & I don't care if I had to drive coast to coast to get home, no way I would get on a plane right now. Also if I was that worried about it I would sleep in my car & not in a hotel on my way home. Anybody that got themselves in a situation that they have to take a plane to get home, well not trying to sound mean but just got to suck it up & quarantine yourself there or take your chances & fly home. We drove to Florida from Texas while Caronavirus was already bad & I rented a car & I wipe the whole inside of the car down with bleach water. I drove it all in 1 day there & when I came back too, a week later! In your defense, no you can't fly without rubbing shoulders with anybody or prevent from breathing recycled air in plane. I know I wasn't much help answering your question but if it's you that needs to get on a plane, you're sure got yourself in a pickle of a mess!


OP here. My post was hypothetical. I, personally, am not going anywhere and think everyone should stay home including New Yorkers. I’ve felt this way for, at least, the past 3 weeks and cringed at the cavalier attitudes of many on this board (now backpedaling) and some Villagers in general. Restaurants/bars had to be shut down to keep people away. Otherwise, they’d crowd in.

Bill32
03-25-2020, 01:00 PM
There are a lot of uninformed statements here. I'm in day 11 of 14 days of self-isolation after returning to Toronto from The Villages. There is no reason why people returning to The Villages from anywhere can't self-isolate - it isn't pleasant but it is possible as long as someone buys groceries for you. So if you are concerned, and you know a returnee, offer to buy groceries for them and leave them by the front door.

We just had groceries delivered by Instacart/ Publix left on front stoop. Pretty simple, than took to our cleaning table in garage and sanitized them the best we could.

Bill32
03-25-2020, 01:07 PM
I,m on my 3rd week of isolation and inspite of those not isolating i'll stay isolated until we get the " all clear" So far not that bad...

ALadysMom
03-25-2020, 02:24 PM
I agree! With 190 flights a day from NY not to mention flights from other airports with NY passengers it is out of control and not fair to Floridians. The answer is to shut everything down including golf courses and beaches so there is nothing to do here for a while. Both federal and some state officials seem more worried about the economy then people getting sick. If we continue doing what we are doing now FL will be the next NY.

Unfortunately, the aged, higher-risk population of The Villages and lack of hospitals would probably make it more like Italy or Spain than NY.

Silver Streak
03-25-2020, 02:45 PM
One point I think many may not be aware of: one big reason NY is such a "hot spot" for Coronavirus is that they've been TESTING much more aggressively than most places. More tests = more positives. I suspect it's nearly as bad here already, we're just not doing much testing yet.

ALadysMom
03-25-2020, 02:55 PM
Just heard news that US military members who are stationed overseas have been ordered to “Freeze in Place” for 90 days.
The US military is trying to keep personnel where they are so movement of the virus is also restricted.

US military restricts movement of troops due to COVID-19 - Task & Purpose (https://www.google.com/amp/s/taskandpurpose.com/.amp/news/military-restricts-troop-movement-coronavirus)

NY NJ CT PA should have a similar order from Feds with flights, buses and interstate car rentals banned for awhile allowing only for very rare exceptions.

FL should announce that in-bound flights will be restricted to FL residents only for awhile & check drivers licenses.

Or do nothing. Madrid is turning their ice rink into a morgue.

Spain coronavirus: Ice rink turned into a morgue amid outbreak - CNN (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/24/europe/spain-ice-rink-morgue-coronavirus-intl/index.html)

TexaninVA
03-25-2020, 03:12 PM
One point I think many may not be aware of: one big reason NY is such a "hot spot" for Coronavirus is that they've been TESTING much more aggressively than most places. More tests = more positives. I suspect it's nearly as bad here already, we're just not doing much testing yet.

Part of it ...

other factors ... DeBlasio waited too long to close schools while he kept going to the gym.

His Health Director is also apparently incompetent.

Plus, people are stacked up and squished together like sardines.

ALadysMom
03-25-2020, 03:19 PM
If there is humor in any of this .... all of the "migration out" could have been stopped by any functional leadership .... its too late now. They are already here.

What does NYs “remain in place order” mean if they allow hundreds of airplanes to leave every day?

I guess that’s one way to lessen the burden in NY.

Come to think of it, I have not heard FL Gov Desantis publicly asking for thousands of ventilators but NY Gov Cuomo has been publicly demanding every day that 30,000 more ventilators are needed in NY.

Velvet
03-25-2020, 04:09 PM
One point I think many may not be aware of: one big reason NY is such a "hot spot" for Coronavirus is that they've been TESTING much more aggressively than most places. More tests = more positives. I suspect it's nearly as bad here already, we're just not doing much testing yet.

Nope! Population of NYC as percentage of USA approximately 2.4% but death from Covid -19 in NYC is approximately 22% as percentage of total USA today. (Whether or not they were tested.)

If you were there, wouldn’t you want to get the hell out of there?

TexaninVA
03-25-2020, 04:12 PM
Nope! Population of NYC as percentage of USA approximately 2.4% but death from Covid -19 in NYC is approximately 22% as percentage of total USA today. (Whether or not they were tested.)

If you were there, wouldn’t you want to get the hell out of there?

Yes, I would. But this is a textbook case of why we need to ENFORCE quarantines.

tophcfa
03-25-2020, 04:34 PM
The title of this thread is incorrect, the self quarantine requirement is not for people who have been in New York City. It is for all people arriving to Florida on a plane that took off from an airport in the states of New York, New Jersey, or Connecticut. We have not been to NYC for many years, and if I get my way I will never go there again. We also don’t live in any of these three states, we live in an extremely rural part of western Massachusetts where we can stay home for an entire weekend without a car going by our driveway. However, this restriction effects us since the only airport close to us, that has direct flights to Orlando, is in Windsor Locks, Connecticut. I understand the need to be safe and we don’t want to fly anytime soon, but this restriction is not well thought out and is ridiculous. What if there was an emergency that required us to get to our Villages home, how could we even get from the airport to our home and then pick up some food while in self isolation? The Florida governor screwed up big time by not closing spring break venues and is now overcompensating to try to save face.

Barborv
03-25-2020, 04:38 PM
I agree. I was also thinking about going down to my home in TV when my school closed here in Long Island NY. But there was no way I would take the chance and travel whether it be by plane or car. I've been in my house and haven't left. My daughters did the food shopping for me. I can't understand why anyone would take the chance. You cant drive without stopping to use bathrooms, and you can't avoid not being around people at the airport. People don't listen and make their own rules and this is part of the problem. And this is why it's spreading . Also because of the HIPPA laws, you can't disclose information on someone who has it. When you work in a big school like I do, it doesn't help to hear that a person in a particular dept. tested positive and week or so later through the grape vine. We all walk the same halls, go to the same faculty cafeteria and use the same restrooms. This is a big problem. You are not contacted unless you were in immediate contact with the person. NY needs to stay home!! Be well and stay safe.

pdfortin
03-25-2020, 04:48 PM
Good question and where would they isolate when they arrived? I think I'd stay put.

Isolate in the home you are going to. If you are going to visit someone, you are a fool and an ass. Really kinda simple if one was to use what is called a brain.

Carlsondm
03-25-2020, 05:03 PM
The virus is airborne for short term and planes recirculate air in a small space. I would not fly now unless all passengers and crew recently tested negative. Ain't going to happen in Florida. Florida doesn't test unless you have strong, definite symptoms.
IMHO they should be testing everyone working in food service, health care, about to fly or travel in confined spaces, or service businesses in contact with the public. Identify the positives and order them to self-quarantine or modify their plans until they are safe. High risk contact activities.
Right now projections for the ability of Florida to handle the pandemic load are terrifying.
The virus survives on surfaces for hours or days also. We will travel by car or gc for the time being.

pauld315
03-25-2020, 08:43 PM
The Villages need to STOP issuing Visitors Pass until things get back to normal....
Especially those coming here from New York and staying with Grandma'.

With all the rec centers closed, how would one get a Visitor Pass ?

pauld315
03-25-2020, 08:47 PM
Apparently they are flying in without being tested, and without even being told to self isolate for 14 days. WESH 2 news interviewed people last night who said they flew in from New York, were not tested here, and were not even told about self isolating for 14 days. When we called the Orlando Airport and asked them what they are doing about this, they said "nothing." That makes no sense at all.

They are now, this action was first taken in the Florida hotspot areas (Dade, Broward and West Palm Beach) and is now being rolled out to less affected areas

pauld315
03-25-2020, 08:48 PM
The virus is airborne for short term and planes recirculate air in a small space. I would not fly now unless all passengers and crew recently tested negative. Ain't going to happen in Florida. Florida doesn't test unless you have strong, definite symptoms.
IMHO they should be testing everyone working in food service, health care, about to fly or travel in confined spaces, or service businesses in contact with the public. Identify the positives and order them to self-quarantine or modify their plans until they are safe. High risk contact activities.
Right now projections for the ability of Florida to handle the pandemic load are terrifying.
The virus survives on surfaces for hours or days also. We will travel by car or gc for the time being.

Projections from what source? The media is trying to keep you as scared as possible for many reasons

pauld315
03-25-2020, 08:52 PM
The title of this thread is incorrect, the self quarantine requirement is not for people who have been in New York City. It is for all people arriving to Florida on a plane that took off from an airport in the states of New York, New Jersey, or Connecticut. We have not been to NYC for many years, and if I get my way I will never go there again. We also don’t live in any of these three states, we live in an extremely rural part of western Massachusetts where we can stay home for an entire weekend without a car going by our driveway. However, this restriction effects us since the only airport close to us, that has direct flights to Orlando, is in Windsor Locks, Connecticut. I understand the need to be safe and we don’t want to fly anytime soon, but this restriction is not well thought out and is ridiculous. What if there was an emergency that required us to get to our Villages home, how could we even get from the airport to our home and then pick up some food while in self isolation? The Florida governor screwed up big time by not closing spring break venues and is now overcompensating to try to save face.

If you had to come here and self quarantine there are many restaurants doing free delivery and Publix delivers.. We are all in this together as well as the over 65 community in The Villages. DeSantis killed spring break very quickly despite what you read in Massachussetts

sipops
03-25-2020, 09:59 PM
There is nothing you need a visitors pass for. Nothing is open requiring a pass..

EdFNJ
03-25-2020, 10:12 PM
There is nothing you need a visitors pass for. Nothing is open requiring a pass.. I thought the same thing but someone said GOLF and PICKLEBALL is. Hopefully after the infected pickleballer spread his Covid all around the court they will close that too.

ALadysMom
03-26-2020, 02:57 PM
The next wave of exodus from Democrat/controlled high-tax states will undoubtedly be accelerated by their recent scary demonstrations of poor controls over public health, followed by their heavy-handed governmental lock downs. People of means will use their assets to protect their a** by moving south. It’s a good thing TV has already planned for massive expansion. FL could flip blue pretty soon.

JGVillages
03-26-2020, 03:08 PM
Villagers won’t get Visitor’s Passes. Those are basically for activities and with the exception of golf all the rest is shut down

OrangeBlossomBaby
03-26-2020, 03:11 PM
The title of this thread is incorrect, the self quarantine requirement is not for people who have been in New York City. It is for all people arriving to Florida on a plane that took off from an airport in the states of New York, New Jersey, or Connecticut. We have not been to NYC for many years, and if I get my way I will never go there again. We also don’t live in any of these three states, we live in an extremely rural part of western Massachusetts where we can stay home for an entire weekend without a car going by our driveway. However, this restriction effects us since the only airport close to us, that has direct flights to Orlando, is in Windsor Locks, Connecticut. I understand the need to be safe and we don’t want to fly anytime soon, but this restriction is not well thought out and is ridiculous. What if there was an emergency that required us to get to our Villages home, how could we even get from the airport to our home and then pick up some food while in self isolation? The Florida governor screwed up big time by not closing spring break venues and is now overcompensating to try to save face.

You could drive. It'd take you less than 2 days if you take turns driving and only stop for meal, bathroom, and gas breaks.

This is about dozens of people, none of whom have been *medically* screened, climbing into an enclosed air-tight cabin with recycled air for several hours and then released elsewhere to do whatever damage their germy little selves can do. Multiple times per day, nationwide (in our case - in Florida).

If it's an emergency:

your house won't stop burning down because you got there in 6 hours instead of 30 hours.

your mom won't stop dying because you got there in 6 hours instead of 30 hours.

your cat won't cease to be lost because you got there in 6 hours instead of 30 hours.

There is no emergency in Florida, that won't either resolve, or continue, by the time you can a) get to an airport, b) find a flight that's actually going there, c) wait for that flight, d) arrive in the Florida airport, e) acquire transportation from the airport to your house.

If your house blows away in a tornado, it'll continue to cease to exist while you drive down to inspect the damage.

And in the meantime, you won't be exposed to who knows how many people that might be infected and not even know it yet...

and in the meantime, you won't infect everyone in the airport when you get off the plane - and THEY won't infect their families when they get home...

all because - Florida asked you to self-quarantine for 14 days if you come off a flight that flew out of NY, NJ, or CT.

Pretty simple really. It's not that big of a deal. Not even if it's an emergency.

rmd2
03-26-2020, 11:06 PM
I,m on my 3rd week of isolation and inspite of those not isolating i'll stay isolated until we get the " all clear" So far not that bad...

Me too, but it is getting difficult mentally to deal with it. Sometimes I feel like I'm in jail. Other times it's just boring to stay at home day after day. I hope this will be over soon but I don't really think it will. I continue to do it because I am afraid to get the virus.

rmd2
03-26-2020, 11:15 PM
You could drive. It'd take you less than 2 days if you take turns driving and only stop for meal, bathroom, and gas breaks.

This is about dozens of people, none of whom have been *medically* screened, climbing into an enclosed air-tight cabin with recycled air for several hours and then released elsewhere to do whatever damage their germy little selves can do. Multiple times per day, nationwide (in our case - in Florida).

If it's an emergency:

your house won't stop burning down because you got there in 6 hours instead of 30 hours.

your mom won't stop dying because you got there in 6 hours instead of 30 hours.

your cat won't cease to be lost because you got there in 6 hours instead of 30 hours.

There is no emergency in Florida, that won't either resolve, or continue, by the time you can a) get to an airport, b) find a flight that's actually going there, c) wait for that flight, d) arrive in the Florida airport, e) acquire transportation from the airport to your house.

If your house blows away in a tornado, it'll continue to cease to exist while you drive down to inspect the damage.

And in the meantime, you won't be exposed to who knows how many people that might be infected and not even know it yet...

and in the meantime, you won't infect everyone in the airport when you get off the plane - and THEY won't infect their families when they get home...

all because - Florida asked you to self-quarantine for 14 days if you come off a flight that flew out of NY, NJ, or CT.

Pretty simple really. It's not that big of a deal. Not even if it's an emergency.

The main problem is that there are too many of them, they are infected and based on interviews at the airport there is a very high probability they will not be self quarantined. So they will exponentially spread the corona virus to the rest of the residents inThe Villages via Publix, Walmart, gas stations, Lowes, etc.

Koapaka
03-27-2020, 05:38 AM
The Villages need to STOP issuing Visitors Pass until things get back to normal....
Especially those coming here from New York and staying with Grandma'.

Agree, but there are a few considerations you have not addressed above:

#1---those that own here and are not in need of "visitor pass"

#2---Those that have homes sitting vacant normally this time of the year and would LOVE to see $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from those that are trying to "escape" high infection areas. Do you really think that if a potential renter paying to escape that owner would decline????

Velvet
03-27-2020, 09:31 AM
Why would people escaping death from NY not self isolate? The main reason I can think of is food and supplies, as long as they can get food (especially) delivered, they will likely isolate. No one knows how important it is to isolate than the “refugees” from the virus.

Delivery! Very important these days. Will help us all isolate.

Chatbrat
03-27-2020, 09:48 AM
Self isolation or quarantine is BS, the same way spring breakers kept social distancing--the majority of the cases in Fl are TRAVEL related--quanrantine without a means of enforcement is useless

GoodLife
03-27-2020, 09:54 AM
Self isolation or quarantine is BS, the same way spring breakers kept social distancing--the majority of the cases in Fl are TRAVEL related--quanrantine without a means of enforcement is useless

Nope, according to Florida Health Covid 19 dashboard, majority of cases are not travel related, may have started that way but not now. Click on each county to see stats.

Experience (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429)

Heyitsrick
03-27-2020, 10:05 AM
I'm curious about the "Delivery" mantra people use here and elsewhere. Yes, I know that would work for some, but I just checked a quick stat that said in 2018, there were 129,000 residents of the various Villages. Delivery isn't going to do it for the masses.

coffeebean
03-28-2020, 08:41 PM
Self-isolation means staying indoors and completely avoiding contact with other people. You do that by ordering your groceries delivered from Publix on-line. The delivery person leaves them at the garage door and after he/she is gone you retrieve the stuff with gloves and mask on and throw out the plastic before wiping down whatever you bought and taking it in. Use Clorox solution if possible. You don't keep your doctor's appointment, or any appointment. You stay inside the house and don't answer the door if somebody knocks. If your yard is fenced you let your dog out on its own. If you must walk your dog you do it at some odd hour in the night when you won't encounter others. If you don't do these things there is a high probability you will die, so it seems worth the effort. They've proven the virus can hang in the air. If you walk into a room 20 minutes after an infected person walked through it, you can breathe in the virus. If everybody stays home in The Villages we can defeat The Virus. I've been indoors going on 3 weeks now, getting lots accomplished. It's easy. Relax.

Seriously? Then why does the CDC and our government allow people to go to grocery stores, pharmacies and other needed services? They allow us to pick up food at restaurants. If what you say is true, then we are all at risk even if we are diligent with 6 feet social distancing.

Tom1916
03-28-2020, 11:03 PM
I would decline, Don't want my house infected.

graciegirl
03-29-2020, 05:36 AM
Seriously? Then why does the CDC and our government allow people to go to grocery stores, pharmacies and other needed services? They allow us to pick up food at restaurants. If what you say is true, then we are all at risk even if we are diligent with 6 feet social distancing.

I believe we are at risk when we go to the grocery store and use delivery. Someone handled the lettuce and it could have the virus and would be unsafe to eat unless you boiled it. The government can only do so much. We have to use our common sense too. Whatever you touch and eat you need to think about who touched it before and are they sick and do not yet know it? That sounds paranoid but we are talking about a tiny, dangerous entity that we cannot see. A very new enemy.

Jima64
03-29-2020, 05:51 AM
Yesterday in Jacksonville the medical people intercepted a Ny plane and tested a recent positive person from NY. He said he thought his symptoms had lessened and he could travel. He again tested positive. This is why the people travelling from the northeast need to be tested. We have enough problems with people not being careful.

Villageswimmer
03-29-2020, 05:57 AM
Yesterday in Jacksonville the medical people intercepted a Ny plane and tested a recent positive person from NY. He said he thought his symptoms had lessened and he could travel. He again tested positive. This is why the people travelling from the northeast need to be tested. We have enough problems with people not being careful.

Would’ve been nice if all passengers were checked BEFORE boarding the plane.

TexaninVA
03-29-2020, 06:29 AM
The main problem is that there are too many of them, they are infected and based on interviews at the airport there is a very high probability they will not be self quarantined. So they will exponentially spread the corona virus to the rest of the residents inThe Villages via Publix, Walmart, gas stations, Lowes, etc.

Exactly right.

stan the man
03-29-2020, 07:41 AM
I believe we are at risk when we go to the grocery store and use delivery. Someone handled the lettuce and it could have the virus and would be unsafe to eat unless you boiled it. The government can only do so much. We have to use our common sense too. Whatever you touch and eat you need to think about who touched it before and are they sick and do not yet know it? That sounds paranoid but we are talking about a tiny, dangerous entity that we cannot see. A very new enemy.

Oh Gracie good to have back. Missed your great advice.

Chatbrat
03-29-2020, 08:17 AM
Its time to shut down AirBNB in The Villages till the virus is gone--with AirBNB, no real controls like checking into a hotel--all you need is a smartphone and a credit card

champion6
03-29-2020, 08:35 AM
Its time to shut down AirBNB in The Villages till the virus is gone--with AirBNB, no real controls like checking into a hotel--all you need is a smartphone and a credit cardThe governor ordered so yesterday:
Gov. DeSantis suspends new vacation rentals amid coronavirus concerns (https://floridapolitics.com/archives/325569-gov-desantis-suspends-new-vacation-rentals-amid-coronavirus-concerns)

TexaninVA
03-29-2020, 08:39 AM
The governor ordered so yesterday:
Gov. DeSantis suspends new vacation rentals amid coronavirus concerns (https://floridapolitics.com/archives/325569-gov-desantis-suspends-new-vacation-rentals-amid-coronavirus-concerns)

Good move, even if several days late. Glad he did it. Not clear how it's enforced but it's a start.