Rhode Island police stopping cars with New York plates

[TexaninVA]

Kudos to the governor of Rhode Island. This is what needs to happen even though it’s not pleasant. But, it’s real world.

I say this a someone who was born in NYC and grew up in NJ. Sad.

“”Rhode Island police began stopping cars with New York plates Friday. On Saturday, the National Guard will help them conduct house-to-house searches to find people who traveled from New York and demand 14 days of self-quarantine.

“Right now we have a pinpointed risk,” Governor Gina Raimondo said. “That risk is called New York City.” “

Bloomberg - Are you a robot? (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/rhode-island-police-to-hunt-down-new-yorkers-seeking-refuge)

We need to do something similar in Florida before it’s too late.

[GoodLife]

83308

[VApeople]

We need to do something similar in Florida before it’s too late.

No we don't.

If you are worried about the Corona virus, then assume every person carries the virus and avoid being close to them. That's about it.

[TexaninVA]

No we don't.

If you are worried about the Corona virus, then assume every person carries the virus and avoid being close to them. That's about it.

I'm already doing that ...

I think what the RI Governor has done is basic common sense in a pandemic and helps reduce the risk to all.

[anothersteve]

“While the Governor may have the power to suspend some state laws and regulations to address this medical emergency, she cannot suspend the Constitution,” Rhode Island ACLU executive director Steven Brown said in a statement. “Under the Fourth Amendment, having a New York state license plate simply does not, and cannot, constitute ‘probable cause’ to allow police to stop a car and interrogate the driver, no matter how laudable the goal of the stop may be.”

I agree. What's next.......door to door knocks, break-ins and searches? Sorry but this does not sit well with me and is a very slippery slope. Where does, will, it stop?

Steve

[TexaninVA]

“While the Governor may have the power to suspend some state laws and regulations to address this medical emergency, she cannot suspend the Constitution,” Rhode Island ACLU executive director Steven Brown said in a statement. “Under the Fourth Amendment, having a New York state license plate simply does not, and cannot, constitute ‘probable cause’ to allow police to stop a car and interrogate the driver, no matter how laudable the goal of the stop may be.”

I agree. What's next.......door to door knocks, break-ins and searches? Sorry but this does not sit well with me and is a very slippery slope. Where does, will, it stop?

Steve

Hey it's a medical emergency. The normal rules (temporarily) don't apply. So far, she hasn't declared martial law but could if need be.

[DianeM]

“While the Governor may have the power to suspend some state laws and regulations to address this medical emergency, she cannot suspend the Constitution,” Rhode Island ACLU executive director Steven Brown said in a statement. “Under the Fourth Amendment, having a New York state license plate simply does not, and cannot, constitute ‘probable cause’ to allow police to stop a car and interrogate the driver, no matter how laudable the goal of the stop may be.”

I agree. What's next.......door to door knocks, break-ins and searches? Sorry but this does not sit well with me and is a very slippery slope. Where does, will, it stop?

Steve

Does anyone really care what the ACLU thinks? Kudos for the governor of Rhode Island for keeping possibly infected people out of the state and trying to keep it clean. It should be the rule in all states right now. We are in a war of safety.

[Chatbrat]

civil liberties don't mean a thing to a dead person--FL should have done the same thing weeks ago

[TexaninVA]

civil liberties don't mean a thing to a dead person--FL should have done the same thing weeks ago

Yes, indeed.

The ACLU can always be counted upon to be a pain in the (censored) at just the right time

[Ecuadog]

I am considering taking lessons to rid myself of my NewYawk accent.

[BS Beef]

83308

Brilliant :clap2:

[TexaninVA]

I am considering taking lessons to rid myself of my NewYawk accent.

That's actually quite funny. :bigbow:

My wife is from Mississippi ... for a small fee, we can offer you a short course in how to talk Southern.

[Number 10 GI]

In my best german accent, "Giff me your papersss pleeze".

[DianeM]

That's actually quite funny. :bigbow:

My wife is from Mississippi ... for a small fee, we can offer you a short course in how to talk Southern.

Cute but then we’d all say “y’all”.

[Topspinmo]

No we don't.

If you are worried about the Corona virus, then assume every person carries the virus and avoid being close to them. That's about it.

No we don’t? Look up hundreds of flights arriving daily. I sure their all going to stay home 14 days.

[Velvet]

“While the Governor may have the power to suspend some state laws and regulations to address this medical emergency, she cannot suspend the Constitution,” Rhode Island ACLU executive director Steven Brown said in a statement. “Under the Fourth Amendment, having a New York state license plate simply does not, and cannot, constitute ‘probable cause’ to allow police to stop a car and interrogate the driver, no matter how laudable the goal of the stop may be.”

I agree. What's next.......door to door knocks, break-ins and searches? Sorry but this does not sit well with me and is a very slippery slope. Where does, will, it stop?

Steve
When does it stop? When you’re dead?

Ok, I’m being a bit facisius. But I do believe that one’s civil liberties end where it infringes on another person’s. Old people have a right to stay alive.

[golfing eagles]

The OP just doesn't pass the smell test.. House to house searches would be a blatant violation of the 4th amendment. To those that applaud this move, you don't just shred the constitution because a virus is circulating, it is an EXTREMELY slippery slope. Besides, there is nothing about this on the 24/7 TV news nor the internet

[TexaninVA]

Cute but then we’d all say “y’all”.

Yes, she's from Mississippi but I'm from New Joisey :icon_wink:

[DianeM]

Yes, she's from Mississippi but I'm from New Joisey :icon_wink:

And I’m New Yawk.

[DianeM]

The OP just doesn't pass the smell test.. House to house searches would be a blatant violation of the 4th amendment. To those that applaud this move, you don't just shred the constitution because a virus is circulating, it is an EXTREMELY slippery slope. Besides, there is nothing about this on the 24/7 TV news nor the internet

Actually I saw it on the news last night or this morning. I applaud her decision. She is trying to protect the citizens of her state. :BigApplause:

[golfing eagles]

Actually I saw it on the news last night or this morning. I applaud her decision. She is trying to protect the citizens of her state. :BigApplause:

And if Trump tries to "protect" the citizens of the US by cancelling elections? Or a future president cancels freedom of the press? The constitution is not optional, to be ignored if inconvenient

[TexaninVA]

And if Trump tries to "protect" the citizens of the US by cancelling elections? Or a future president cancels freedom of the press? The constitution is not optional, to be ignored if inconvenient

If things are so horrifically bad by October, and to such an extent the elections have to be postponed, it's a pretty safe bet most people would be demanding that be done.

I don't think we'll get to that point however. :pray:

[twoplanekid]

Florida is now the fourth most-hit state in the United States, after New York, New Jersey, and California, according to data by health officials and Johns Hopkins University.

Florida sees sharp spike in coronavirus infections as fears grow it could be another hotspot | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-sees-sharp-spike-in-coronavirus-infections-as-fears-grow-it-could-be-another-hotspot)

[DianeM]

And if Trump tries to "protect" the citizens of the US by cancelling elections? Or a future president cancels freedom of the press? The constitution is not optional, to be ignored if inconvenient

Do you not get this is a war? Keeping an infected person away from your state makes total sense. I hate all the New Yorkers that brought this crap to Florida so we’re now a potential hot spot. And yes, I’m a native New Yorker. Desantis should have done it too. Texas also closed their state to keep sickies from Louisiana out. And if election is postponed, so be it. How do you not get this ?

[golfing eagles]

Do you not get this is a war? Keeping an infected person away from your state makes total sense. I hate all the New Yorkers that brought this crap to Florida so we’re now a potential hot spot. And yes, I’m a native New Yorker. Desantis should have done it too. Texas also closed their state to keep sickies from Louisiana out. And if election is postponed, so be it. How do you not get this ?

Yeah, I get it. And the concept that people would be willing to shred the constitution is more frightening than the virus

[vintageogauge]

Yeah, I get it. And the concept that people would be willing to shred the constitution is more frightening than the virus

I vote by mail.

[TexaninVA]

OK.. So the president can't suspend an election but the governor of Rhode Island can suspend the 4th amendment? In what universe? Doesn't really matter, a judge will shoot it down in a heartbeat

Under bona fide national emergencies, executive power tends to supersede judicial review. The doctrine of martial law pertains.

[DianeM]

OK.. So the president can't suspend an election but the governor of Rhode Island can suspend the 4th amendment? In what universe? Doesn't really matter, a judge will shoot it down in a heartbeat

No one is going to refute this very wise action except the loony ACLU.

The 4th amendment guards against search and seizure in YOUR HOME. Really has nothing with an officer telling you to turn your ass around and go back where you belong.

[anothersteve]

No one is going to refute this very wise action except the loony ACLU.

The 4th amendment guards against search and seizure in YOUR HOME. Really has nothing with an officer telling you to turn your ass around and go back where you belong.

This isn't about the ACLU. It's about Martial Law of which you seem to know nothing about. With Martial Law, there is no law and "they" will and can come into your house without your permission or court order. Read up on it. It has never been invoked in it's fullest, and I hope to God it never will. That will be the end of America and one hell of a bloodbath. Scary **** and a very slippery slope.

Constitutional Topic: Martial Law - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net (https://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html)
Steve

[DeanFL]

USA TODAY

Florida coronavirus cases pass 4000: state border checkpoints begin, vacation rentals halted

Florida cases pass 4,000; governor advises, 'Don't come here' (https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/03/28/florida-coronavirus-cases-pass-4000-border-checkpoints-vacation-rentals-suspended/2934407001/)

[DianeM]

This isn't about the ACLU. It's about Martial Law of which you seem to know nothing about. With Martial Law, there is no law and "they" will and can come into your house without your permission or court order. Read up on it. It has never been invoked in it's fullest, and I hope to God it never will. That will be the end of America and one hell of a bloodbath. Scary **** and a slippery slope.

Constitutional Topic: Martial Law - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net (https://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html)
Steve

Where, prey tell, do you get Martial Law from an officer turning away cars with New York plates? Bit of a stretch there.

Me - I’m all in favor. This is a war with an invisible army that needs to be turned away. Too bad DeSantis didn’t act sooner and chase the spring breakers

[anothersteve]

Where, prey tell, do you get Martial Law from an officer turning away cars with New York plates? Bit of a stretch there.

Me - I’m all in favor. This is a war with an invisible army that needs to be turned away. Too bad DeSantis didn’t act sooner and chase the spring breakers

Read back. This conversation turned to the discussion of Martial Law and the slippery slope. This is how it starts. Now everyone is ringing the "war bells". Now it's getting to be a "war" with the states all over again. Slippery slope!
Steve

[DianeM]

Read back. This conversation turned to the discussion of Martial Law and the slippery slope. This is how it starts. Now everyone is ringing the "war bells". Now it's getting to be a "war" with the states all over again. Slippery slope!
Steve

And I pulled it back to the original subject. You’re being an alarmist over a governor’s smart move but enjoy your paranoia.

Texas has barred Louisiana plates. Arizona is considering barring California plates. Those that are still healthy don’t want to be overrun by those that are sick. Works for me.

[anothersteve]

And I pulled it back to the original subject. You’re being an alarmist over a governor’s smart move but enjoy your paranoia.

Texas has barred Louisiana plates. Arizona is considering barring California plates. Those that are still healthy don’t want to be overrun by those that are sick. Works for me.

"War" between the states all over again, not paranoia, it's happening.
Steve

[DianeM]

"War" between the states all over again, not paranoia, it's happening.
Steve

Such is life.

[anothersteve]

Such is life.

Nice cavalier attitude. I rest my case.

Steve

[golfing eagles]

OK, now for some perspective: My girlfriend's son lives in Rhode Island. They are NOT going door to door with armed national guardsman searching for New Yorkers. They are ringing doorbells and asking if there are any out of state visitors, and if so handing out INFORMATION on self-quarantine. This is a long way from the obvious violation of the 4th amendment suggested in the OP

[Nannyof3]

Let’s build a wall around every state

[Two Bills]

When Moses was looking for somewhere to take the Israelites, God suggested he go to America.
Moses was horrified.
"Have you seen their Constitution?" he replied
"27 Ammendments, it's going to be nothing but trouble!"
"Oy Vey! We are having enough problems keeping these 10 bl**dy Commandments you dumped on us!"

[Heyitsrick]

OK, now for some perspective: My girlfriend's son lives in Rhode Island. They are NOT going door to door with armed national guardsman searching for New Yorkers. They are ringing doorbells and asking if there are any out of state visitors, and if so handing out INFORMATION on self-quarantine. This is a long way from the obvious violation of the 4th amendment suggested in the OP

According to the RI governor, they are explicitly looking for those who have been to NY door-to-door:

"Right now, we have a pinpointed risk that we need to address, and we need to be very serious and that risk is called New York City," said Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo at a news conference Friday.
Starting Saturday, Rhode Island law enforcement officers and the National Guard will be "going door-to-door" in coastal communities, asking people if they've been to New York and requesting their contact information, she said

Source: CNN Rhode Island coronavirus: State is looking for New Yorkers to slow the spread of the virus - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/us/rhode-island-tracking-down-new-yorkers/index.html)

[Chatbrat]

Also,the National Guard in Rhode Island is going door to door, checking on vacation homes, to insure that New Yorkers if present are self quaranting

[golfing eagles]

Also,the National Guard in Rhode Island is going door to door, checking on vacation homes, to insure that New Yorkers if present are self quaranting

Huge difference between "checking", "knocking on doors", "handing out information", "asking them to self-quarantine" and DOOR TO DOOR SEARCHES (which is what the British did in the years leading up to the revolutionary war, as well as Stalin, Mao, and Hitler)

[Heyitsrick]

Huge difference between "checking", "knocking on doors", "handing out information", "asking them to self-quarantine" and DOOR TO DOOR SEARCHES (which is what the British did in the years leading up to the revolutionary war, as well as Stalin, Mao, and Hitler)

Well, according to the RI gov, they are taking contact information from those NY'ers they find. And your comment about "asking them to self-quarantine" doesn't match up with news stories:

On Friday Raimondo said state police would be stopping cars with New York license plates and doing house-to-house searches to identify people who recently traveled from New York and ordering them to self-quarantine.

Source: NPR/WGBH Boston: Rhode Island Governor Issues Strict Stay-At-Home Order (https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2020/03/28/rhode-island-governor-issues-strict-stay-at-home-order)

[gemini5001]

I agree with you.
We don't need the National Guard coming onto our houses and telling us what to do.

[zmarkp]

Dare County, NC, has set up police roadblocks on the two roads leading within and are turning away just about everyone.

Coronavirus: North Carolina And Florida Counties Closing Borders To Visitors (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/dominicholden/coronavirus-southern-counties-closing-borders-visitors)

[davem4616]

the cat is out of the bag on this covid-19...it's for real

we're adults, we all know what we should be doing/not doing....we have free will.

Don't be too anxious to see if that cremation plan you bought covers everything

[arbajeda]

Targeting American citizens just because they came from New York (or New Jersey, Connecticut, Louisiana or wherever) is a blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment. And I suggest the reason so many forum members support it is because they aren't subject to it. How about if Florida started to do what China did. Go door-to-door and take people's temperatures. And if you have an elevated temperature from a cold or other minor illness, be forcibly taken from your home and quarantined. Use the same arguments in this topic to justify or refute.

There is a law on the books from the Spanish flu pandemic of about a hundred years ago that empowers the CDC to quarantine areas to prevent disease spread. Read it here:

Legal Authorities for Isolation and Quarantine
| Quarantine | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html)

The governor could declare martial law but probably will not. It would amount to political suicide.

[rjsantos592]

I agree, did anyone think maybe these people are not infected and want to leave before they are infected.

[TexaninVA]

I agree, did anyone think maybe these people are not infected and want to leave before they are infected.

How in the world would the people you refer to even know that? They would need to be tested.

They are fleeing because they don't want to be infected, they're hoping (not knowing) they're not infected etc. But the stat I saw two days ago indicated that 25% of NYC people tested positive.

[merrymini]

Unenforceable, but a good thought.

[DianeM]

Nice cavalier attitude. I rest my case.

Steve

The only opinion on this subject that matters to me is mine.
Bravo to their governor and any other governor protecting their people.

[Velvet]

How in the world would the people you refer to even know that? They would need to be tested.

They are fleeing because they don't want to be infected, they're hoping (not knowing) they're not infected etc. But the stat I saw two days ago indicated that 25% of NYC people tested positive.

Total cases of Covid-19 in all of USA is about 125,000 total population of NYC is 8,500,000 approximately. So if every Covid case was in NYC it would be around 1.5%.

But:

‘Thousands of new COVID-19 infections are now being reported in New York every day. As of Saturday afternoon, there have been at least 52,318 confirmed cases of the coronavirus discovered in the state, including nearly 30,000 in New York City. At least 728 people with COVID-19 have died in the state, which has the largest number — around 46 percent — of confirmed cases in the U.S.’ Intelligencer

[TexaninVA]

Total cases of Covid-19 in all of USA is about 125,000 total population of NYC is 8,500,000 approximately. So if every Covid case was in NYC it would be around 1.5%.

Yes, but that assumes equal geographic distribution of the refugees. The NY / FL axis has been around for a long time.

I don't have the source at hand but I the stat I recall said about 25% of NYers who tested showed up positive. Figures for other locations were like 5-10%

In any event, best for everyone for people to just stay put instead of moving around and increasing the risk of spread. Just my opinion.

[Velvet]

Yes, I agree. No way should anyone be coming to Florida right now. Just don’t want to scare the NYC people who are also reading TOTV.

[bilcon]

I have to laugh. Today's Daily S-- has several pictures of family visits in March. Don't they get it.

[Chatbrat]

Again, can't fix stupid--the Daily Sun has got to promote LaLa Land no matter what-- the same for pictures of unrestrained toddlers in golf carts

[BevSparks]

“While the Governor may have the power to suspend some state laws and regulations to address this medical emergency, she cannot suspend the Constitution,” Rhode Island ACLU executive director Steven Brown said in a statement. “Under the Fourth Amendment, having a New York state license plate simply does not, and cannot, constitute ‘probable cause’ to allow police to stop a car and interrogate the driver, no matter how laudable the goal of the stop may be.”

I agree. What's next.......door to door knocks, break-ins and searches? Sorry but this does not sit well with me and is a very slippery slope. Where does, will, it stop?

Steve

Maybe it will be OK with you when and if 10 or more cars with NY plates start arriving in your neighborhood??

[anothersteve]

Maybe it will be OK with you when and if 10 or more cars with NY plates start arriving in your neighborhood??

It wouldn't bother me to where I would want to hang em high. Besides most New Yorkers that are here have Florida plates anyway, so how would you know?
Steve

[DianeM]

It wouldn't bother me to where I would want to hang em high. Besides most New Yorkers that are here have Florida plates anyway, so how would you know?
Steve

Not true. I lived full time in Florida with New York plates for two years

[JoMar]

I agree with you.
We don't need the National Guard coming onto our houses and telling us what to do.

Well somebody should because evidently many of "us" can't figure it out. They give you a chance to be responsible and when you don't they need to escalate somehow.

[Scbang]

OK, I will be arriving soon from NY. Who among you dare to say " You can not come here to save your life". ?

well, hear me out.

Solution 1 ; Test everybody in USA - quarantine every positive people until they become negative. No people come in unless they are tested and proven negative. Problem solved.

Solution 2 : Let everybody go around do their business as usual, open up schools, restaurants, business and all. No masks, no soicial distancing, no restriction what so ever. Assume everyone is going to get the virus anyway. Concentrate all our effort and national resources to Hospitals, Ventilators, Recovery rooms, Vaccine development, fast self tests (maybe we don't even need this) etc.. 90% recovers with not so much of ill effect, 10% goes to well equipped hospitals with ventilators since we don't have to worry about spreading anymore... ( quietly, 1% dies. That is 3 million people )..

[anothersteve]

Not true. I lived full time in Florida for two years with New York plates.

I said most, not every. I personally know many NY's with Florida plates. I hardly see any NY plates here at all.
Steve

[DianeM]

OK, I will be arriving soon from NY. Who among you dare to say " You can not come here to save your life". ?

well, hear me out.

Solution 1 ; Test everybody in USA - quarantine every positive people until they become negative. No people come in unless they are tested and proven negative. Problem solved.

Solution 2 : Let everybody go around do their business as usual, open up schools, restaurants, business and all. No masks, no soicial distancing, no restriction what so ever. Assume everyone is going to get the virus anyway. Concentrate all our effort and national resources to Hospitals, Ventilators, Recovery rooms, Vaccine development, fast self tests (maybe we don't even need this) etc.. 90% recovers with not so much of ill effect, 10% goes to well equipped hospitals with ventilators since we don't have to worry about spreading anymore... ( quietly, 1% dies. That is 3 million people )..

I am appalled by this post. Hope you’re not one of the 1% but if you are - oh well - because that’s your cavalier attitude over the loss of 3 million people.

[Scbang]

I am appalled by this post. Hope you’re not one of the 1% but if you are - oh well - because that’s your cavalier attitude over the loss of 3 million people.

I am not suggesting they can/should be done. Any brighter ideas?

[dillywho]

Well somebody should because evidently many of "us" can't figure it out. They give you a chance to be responsible and when you don't they need to escalate somehow.

Exactly! Just look at the ones still upset over the pools being closed here. They were given the chance to be responsible and weren't. I don't do the pools, so it's a moot point to me. I was taught at a very early age that actions have consequences. But then, I'm old and things were very different "back in my day".:icon_wink:

[JayDo]

Snow birds going home now can northern states turn them away

[DianeM]

I am not suggesting they can/should be done. Any brighter ideas?

Yes. Self-isolate or stay 6 feet away like a responsible adult

[DianeM]

Snow birds going home now can northern states turn them away

Wouldn’t blame them if they did

[ffresh]

I'm already doing that ...

I think what the RI Governor has done is basic common sense in a pandemic and helps reduce the risk to all.

OMG … people begging for a police state in America

YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzhIPvEanMg)

Fred

[Scbang]

I am appalled by this post. Hope you’re not one of the 1% but if you are - oh well - because that’s your cavalier attitude over the loss of 3 million people.

Daily presidential COVID-19 briefing mentioned the model predicted 2.2M death without proper action. I guess I overshot the number a bit.

[anothersteve]

The only opinion on this subject that matters to me is mine.
Bravo to their governor and any other governor protecting their people.

Well here you go

Rhode Island ends specific restrictions on New Yorkers — by making them national (https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/03/29/rhode-island-ends-restrictions-on-new-yorkers-1269535)

Steve