Stay at home just "ORDERED"

[rustyp]

JUST IN: Gov. Ron DeSantis said he will issue a statewide Stay at Home order for Florida residents. The order will go into effect starting Thursday at midnight for 30 days and will limit travel for only "essential activities."

[anothersteve]

JUST IN: Gov. Ron DeSantis said he will issue a statewide Stay at Home order for Florida residents. The order will go into effect starting Thursday at midnight for 30 days and will limit travel for only "essential activities."

Link please

[Kenswing]

Link please

Gov. DeSantis issues stay-at-home order for entire state of Florida | WEAR (https://weartv.com/news/local/gov-desantis-issues-stay-at-home-order-for-entire-state-of-florida)

[rustyp]

ORLANDO, Fla. —
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said Wednesday that he will issue an executive order directing residents in the state to stay at home except for essential services starting at midnight Thursday.

The order will remain in effect for 30 days.

DeSantis issued a statewide stay-at-home order as federal and local pressure mounted for him to abandon the county-by-county approach he had implemented.

Coronavirus in Florida: The latest info
DeSantis told reporters Wednesday that he is issuing the order after consulting with President Donald Trump and White House advisers, who have said Americans need to stay home throughout April.

DeSantis' move came hours after the U.S. surgeon general, Dr. Jerome Adams, said on NBC's “Today” show that he would tell DeSantis that the federal guidelines for social distancing should be viewed as “a national stay-at-home order.”

The number of coronavirus cases in Florida will surpass 7,000 on Wednesday as the state’s death toll continues to climb.

State health officials said Wednesday that 87 Florida residents have now died after becoming infected with the virus and the state has a total of 6,955 cases.

This is a developing story. Check back for updates.

[Velvet]

Always wonder why does it take so much before there is something effective required? We saw what China etc had to do to get a hold on this virus. Now we will have to be inside for months instead of the 15 weeks which would have lasted till April 26th.

Grrrr...

Better late than never, though.

[TexaninVA]

Always wonder why does it take so much before there is something effective required? We saw what China etc had to do to get a hold on this virus. Now we will have to be inside for months instead of the 15 weeks which would have lasted till April 26th.

Grrrr...

Better late than never, though.

These are difficult decisions with lots of huge tradeoffs.

For example, and putting my 20/20 hindsight lenses on, how would it have worked had the government "ordered" a national lockdown in late February? Probably would have caused a revolt.

The health director for NYC, for example, was urging people to get out and about.

In a democracy, you can't make a big decision typically until most of the people see the reason for it.

[coffeebean]

OK folks. Here it is, straight from Governor DeSantis.........

Gov. DeSantis issues stay-at-home order for entire state of Florida | WEAR (https://weartv.com/news/local/gov-desantis-issues-stay-at-home-order-for-entire-state-of-florida)

NO MORE congregating at the squares or anywhere for that matter. Just wondering......is golf essential?

[Number 10 GI]

Park those golf carts and close the courses, they aren't necessary activities.

[Bjeanj]

There goes golf.

[rustyp]

There goes golf.


The eagle has landed.

:pray:

[TJLAMPHERE]

OK, golf and tennis are done... understandably.

But what about fishing?? Walking?? Bicycling?? Other outdoor activities that are solo endeavors?

Not essential (other than for peace of mind and exercise) but allowed or banned???

[golfing eagles]

Totally idiotic. He should have stuck to his guns and kept doing this county by county. There are counties with ZERO cases.

But further clarification is needed:

Bicycling?
Walking the dog?
hiking?

I don't see any reason to ban activities where social distancing can be maintained.

A giant thanks to all those that were clamoring to shut the state down or signed the petition to that effect. Looks like fear and panic outvoted common sense.

[golfing eagles]

Even more idiotic---He intends to let those cruise ships with hundreds of positive people dock at Port Canaveral.
Lets let some more planeloads of people from NY/NJ land here while we sit at home doing nothing.

[Chatbrat]

people can't be relied upon to self discipline, especially in a senior citizen retired entitled community--best thing to snap some people into reality--the world doesn't resolve around your personal needs

[Velvet]

Even more idiotic---He intends to let those cruise ships with hundreds of positive people dock at Port Canaveral.
Lets let some more planeloads of people from NY/NJ land here while we sit at home doing nothing.

Noooo! Port Canaveral... worst idea ever.

[Heyitsrick]

Re: Essential Activities - here's a snippet from the governor's order. Where does it explicitly prohibit golf?

It does mention other things that some have asked about here:

[golfing eagles]

people can't be relied upon to self discipline, especially in a senior citizen retired entitled community--best thing to snap some people into reality--the world doesn't resolve around your personal needs

That's right---punish the entire state for the stupid behavior of a few---good thinking:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

[EdFNJ]

You can be sure "walking, running, bicycling, hiking, walking the dog" as well as other unmentionable indoor, outdoor solo & couple activities will all be permitted as they are in every other locked down state even NYC (although they did just close all public playgrounds). And don't worry folks, I'd bet 2 electoral votes you can still buy your guns.

[claricecolin]

One is still allowed to walk ( by oneself or with members of the same household), walk your dog. You can get fresh air and practice social distancing. Hiking would probably not recommend, probably good social distancing but if you have an issue getting help might be a problem. You can go to grocery store, pick up prescriptions and take let to vet if needed. Just limit and no unnecessary trips. You can go help family member if an emergency. It is really common sense.

My Dad,at Buffalo Crossings, with dementia can understand why this is necessary. I am glad for the order. My only concern right now is I hope he doesn't figure out he can voice order from Amazon via Alexa. ������ Stay safe.

[billethkid]

Even more idiotic---He intends to let those cruise ships with hundreds of positive people dock at Port Canaveral.
Lets let some more planeloads of people from NY/NJ land here while we sit at home doing nothing.

Political prioritizing can not result in decisions that meet the needs of reality......NO MATTER HOW SERIOUS THE END RESULT!!`

[jenistaf]

There goes golf.

Don't see why golf is different from walking or riding in a cart, provided social distance is maintained.

CDC recommends outdoor activities. Fresh air and sunshine are good for body and soul. Lots can be done safely - dog walking, bike or cart riding, a car ride, etc.

I fear too many will interpret "stay-at-home" to mean barricade yourselves inside. It really means doing what responsible adults have already been doing - avoiding contact with potentially infected people and washing your hands after touching potentially contaminated objects. Carefully maintain social distance but enjoy the outdoors!

[DianeM]

Perhaps if people had listened to the initial advisory instead of behaving like spoiled children at summer camp who sneak out in the night, this might not have been necessary.

[photo1902]

Perhaps if people had listened to the initial advisory instead of behaving like spoiled children at summer camp who sneak out in the night, this might not have been necessary.

And I'm sure you realize that for the people who have chosen to ignore the precautions long since laid out, this new "order" will make no difference at all.

[jacksonbrown]

Living equidistant between SS and LSL, I walk my dog or ride my bicycle to do my grocery shopping.

Therefore, pooping and exercising are permitted.

[DianeM]

And I'm sure you realize that for the people who have chosen to ignore the precautions long since laid out, this new "order" will make no difference at all.

Sadly you’re more than likely correct but now there is some “teeth in the game” that may make them think a little.

[rustyp]

And I'm sure you realize that for the people who have chosen to ignore the precautions long since laid out, this new "order" will make no difference at all.

They won't be playing golf here. DeSantis and DaFamily are joined at the hip.

[Lottoguy]

Don't be surprised if this is soon amended to include golf. I think this will happen.

[golfing eagles]

They won't be playing golf here. DeSantis and DaFamily are joined at the hip.

Clarification will be needed. The order has a list of exempted activities, even used the term "such as". If "DeSantis and DaFamily are joined at the hip", then golf will be on the list.

[DianeM]

Why are people so obsessed with chasing a ball around on grass?

People are dying and in misery and they worry about a game?

[DARFAP]

OK folks. Here it is, straight from Governor DeSantis.........

LIVE UPDATES: Gov. Ron DeSantis to sign stay-at-home order for Florida (https://www.wftv.com/news/florida/live-updates-2-people-died-coronavirus-overnight-total-number-cases-florida-nears-7000/LC46UZRMANAG5GDDM24E4SRG6I/)

Gov. DeSantis issues stay-at-home order for entire state of Florida | WEAR (https://weartv.com/news/local/gov-desantis-issues-stay-at-home-order-for-entire-state-of-florida)

NO MORE congregating at the squares or anywhere for that matter. Just wondering......is golf essential?

Golf should always be essential

[golfing eagles]

Why are people so obsessed with chasing a ball around on grass?

People are dying and in misery and they worry about a game?

And why do you care if "people are so obsessed with chasing a ball around on grass? "

[DianeM]

And why do you care if "people are so obsessed with chasing a ball around on grass? "

Have you perhaps heard of the word “curiosity”. It’s just a game. I don’t understand the obsession.

[TexaninVA]

You can be sure "walking, running, bicycling, hiking, walking the dog" as well as other unmentionable indoor, outdoor solo & couple activities will all be permitted as they are in every other locked down state even NYC (although they did just close all public playgrounds). And don't worry folks, I'd bet 2 electoral votes you can still buy your guns.

Since you mentioned guns ...

No one without firearms experience should buy a gun unless they also sign up for an NRA-approved course in how to use it - both effectively and safely. My suggestion ...:icon_wink:

[golfing eagles]

Have you perhaps heard of the word “curiosity”. It’s just a game. I don’t understand the obsession.

No different than those "obsessed" with mah jong or pickleball or cycling

[golfing eagles]

Since you mentioned guns ...

No one without firearms experience should buy a gun unless they also sign up for an NRA-approved course in how to use it - both effectively and safely. My suggestion ...:icon_wink:

Actually, given the level of fear, panic and stress exhibited by at least half the posters on TOTV, there should be a moratorium on NEW gun licenses until this is over. NAH--never will happen, the NRA will see to it

[DianeM]

No different than those "obsessed" with mah jong or pickleball or cycling

Agreed but I hear more noise from pretend Arnold Palmers and don’t understand why,

[golfing eagles]

Agreed but I hear more noise from pretend Arnold Palmers and don’t understand why,

Neither do I. Perhaps because there is a large number of golfers?

[Chi-Town]

people can't be relied upon to self discipline, especially in a senior citizen retired entitled community--best thing to snap some people into reality--the world doesn't resolve around your personal needs

Who is this?!?

[DianeM]

Neither do I. Perhaps because there is a large number of golfers?

Good point. That must be it.

[44Apple]

Guy's a little late.

[Klatu]

Common sense isn;'t always common. People continue to gather, thinking arms length is enough space, unable to observe restrictions that cramp their style. The number of folks who don't take it seriously, as always, screw it up for everyone.

[Heyitsrick]

Why are people so obsessed with chasing a ball around on grass?

People are dying and in misery and they worry about a game?

I guess I would ask why someone who's curious about those who enjoy the game would bother to move to a community that has tons of golf courses. Golf is obviously a major draw in TV.

[golfing eagles]

I guess I would ask why someone who's curious about those who enjoy the game would bother to move to a community that has tons of golf courses. Golf is obviously a major draw in TV.

That's not really fair. There are about a million other things for her to do here. In fact, last I heard, golf was only the third most popular sport after softball and pickleball.

[DianeM]

I guess I would ask why someone who's curious about those who enjoy the game would bother to move to a community that has tons of golf courses. Golf is obviously a major draw in TV.

I could not have cared less about golf in my decision to move here. Golf was truly meaningless in that process. I was looking for pretty much anything else. You’ll never battle me for a tee time. I merely asked why the obsession when everything else is shut down. You can climb down now.

[DianeM]

That's not really fair. There are about a million other things for her to do here. In fact, last I heard, golf was only the third most popular sport after softball and pickleball.

Thank you.

[Topspinmo]

Always wonder why does it take so much before there is something effective required? We saw what China etc had to do to get a hold on this virus. Now we will have to be inside for months instead of the 15 weeks which would have lasted till April 26th.

Grrrr...

Better late than never, though.

China lies, don’t believe anything coming out of that county that government says

[Regor]

Now they should restrict people to 1 trip to the grocery store per week! With the only thing going on, some people will be going on a daily bases just to get out of the house. Already have neighbors making more trips than I have ever seen.

[tghoul]

I guess my move in date for my new place will be delayed. Now to find a place to stay

[golfing eagles]

Now they should restrict people to 1 trip to the grocery store per week! With the only thing going on, some people will be going on a daily bases just to get out of the house. Already have neighbors making more trips than I have ever seen.

Probably, but pretty much impossible to enforce

[maryl]

Hope all Villager abide by this

[maryl]

I agree

[Joe V.]

Funny, that humans are a social species. I am now concerned about the busy body informers calling the law on people "they" think are doing wrong, ie, walking dogs, walking themselves, riding in golf carts, "too many trips" to the grocery store. Who decides whether anyone's trip to a grocery store is essential or not? A person now needs to go many times to find what they require given to the hoarding panic around here.

[DianeM]

Now they should restrict people to 1 trip to the grocery store per week! With the only thing going on, some people will be going on a daily bases just to get out of the house. Already have neighbors making more trips than I have ever seen.

Wow did you nail it. Publix has become a source of entertainment

[DianeM]

Hope all Villager abide by this

They won’t. The spoiled entitled set will still have meetups and socials

[Velvet]

Wow did you nail it. Publix has become a source of entertainment

Who would have thought?

[golfing eagles]

Hope all Villager abide by this

Hopefully.

But in reality, rotsa ruck

[coffeebean]

OK, golf and tennis are done... understandably.

But what about fishing?? Walking?? Bicycling?? Other outdoor activities that are solo endeavors?

Not essential (other than for peace of mind and exercise) but allowed or banned???

This is an excerpt from the article which I linked in a post #8........

"Considered essential activities: Going to church and participating in recreational activities like hiking, swimming and fishing while following social distance guidelines. You are still able to grocery shop and get gas."

[blueash]

The failure to shut down religious services is a big mistake. There are already multiple (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj5qNq7icjoAhUpmuAKHdCICK84ChAWMAB6BAgHE AE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kansascity.com%2Fnews%2Fcoro navirus%2Farticle241661651.html&usg=AOvVaw1bHqQ8BbFvVLnYNM2phaE8) case reports (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwimpteSicjoAhWhct8KHfL2DVkQFjAEegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.euronews.com%2F2020%2F03%2F1 9%2Fspreading-at-our-church-was-so-strong-says-french-doctor-infected-with-covid-19&usg=AOvVaw3BL-WbnQeCUHJ8OYy_WPtl)where attendance at a religious event was a trigger for a localized outbreak. There was an pentacostal minister in Florida (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiulZTniMjoAhWDd98KHefvDOAQFjAEegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fox13news.com%2Fnews%2Ftampa-megachurch-pastor-arrested-after-leading-packed-services-despite-safer-at-home-orders&usg=AOvVaw0GfeEu5L1mDBB0Mvopb6PQ) who was cited for keeping his church open last Sunday.

I do not understand this exception to what needs to happen. There are ways to worship that do not require spreading disease. If the Catholic Church in Italy can shut down mass and the Pope speak to an empty St Peter's Square, surely the local church on every corner can do the same.

[coffeebean]

Noooo! Port Canaveral... worst idea ever.

Where does DeSantis plan to quarantine the people from the cruise ships?

[Dond1959]

I feel much safer on the golf course with all the precautions than being around the nuts at the grocery stores who have no clue how to stay 6 feet away. I feel sorry for all the employees in the stores who are constantly exposed to potentially sick people.

[graciegirl]

Always wonder why does it take so much before there is something effective required? We saw what China etc had to do to get a hold on this virus. Now we will have to be inside for months instead of the 15 weeks which would have lasted till April 26th.

Grrrr...

Better late than never, though.

I don't see it like that at all. I always thought that we would have to keep away from others for a long time and we may still have to quarantine, some of us, until a vaccine is effective and released.

[golfing eagles]

The failure to shut down religious services is a big mistake. There are already multiple (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj5qNq7icjoAhUpmuAKHdCICK84ChAWMAB6BAgHE AE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kansascity.com%2Fnews%2Fcoro navirus%2Farticle241661651.html&usg=AOvVaw1bHqQ8BbFvVLnYNM2phaE8) case reports (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwimpteSicjoAhWhct8KHfL2DVkQFjAEegQIBRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.euronews.com%2F2020%2F03%2F1 9%2Fspreading-at-our-church-was-so-strong-says-french-doctor-infected-with-covid-19&usg=AOvVaw3BL-WbnQeCUHJ8OYy_WPtl)where attendance at a religious event was a trigger for a localized outbreak. There was an pentacostal minister in Florida (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiulZTniMjoAhWDd98KHefvDOAQFjAEegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fox13news.com%2Fnews%2Ftampa-megachurch-pastor-arrested-after-leading-packed-services-despite-safer-at-home-orders&usg=AOvVaw0GfeEu5L1mDBB0Mvopb6PQ) who was cited for keeping his church open last Sunday.

I do not understand this exception to what needs to happen. There are ways to worship that do not require spreading disease. If the Catholic Church in Italy can shut down mass and the Pope speak to an empty St Peter's Square, surely the local church on every corner can do the same.

Agree. Perhaps the governor can explain how going to church with a bunch of other people is safer than a group of 4 or less golfers maintaining social distancing guidelines.

On the other hand, reading the actual order, it does not prohibit golf---the order exempts outdoor activities where social distancing guidelines are followed. I'm sure there will be a clarification forthcoming

[graciegirl]

Agree. Perhaps the governor can explain how going to church with a bunch of other people is safer than a group of 4 or less golfers maintaining social distancing guidelines.

On the other hand, reading the actual order, it does not prohibit golf---the order exempts outdoor activities where social distancing guidelines are followed. I'm sure there will be a clarification forthcoming

This must be wrong. Church services are gatherings of people and I am sure Governor Desantis would NOT have allowed that. I think almost all churches have stopped having live services around here, anyway. Church services should not be allowed. I don't think God would like us to endanger ourselves and others.

[tophcfa]

Agreed but I hear more noise from pretend Arnold Palmers and don’t understand why,

The only way to truly understand is to take up the game and see if you get bit by the golf bug. The bug doesn't bite everyone, but if it gets you, you are hooked.

[DianeM]

The only way to truly understand is to take up the game and see if you get bit by the golf bug. The bug doesn't bit everyone, but if it gets you, you are hooked.

That’s the absolute best definition I’ve heard. Thank you. Enjoy!

[jet10s]

Don't see why golf is different from walking or riding in a cart, provided social distance is maintained.

CDC recommends outdoor activities. Fresh air and sunshine are good for body and soul. Lots can be done safely - dog walking, bike or cart riding, a car ride, etc.

I fear too many will interpret "stay-at-home" to mean barricade yourselves inside. It really means doing what responsible adults have already been doing - avoiding contact with potentially infected people and washing your hands after touching potentially contaminated objects. Carefully maintain social distance but enjoy the outdoors!

hellloooo -- hopefully they will close all the golf courses -- the golfers have been getting away with a lot == just ride around and see groups of people lining up or being together on the green -- good decision to close golf too

[gregcharlesnelson@gmail]

Are the TV golf courses closing???

[JSR22]

One of or neighbors is an Ambassador at a Championship Cours. They have not been told they are closing the course.

[queasy27]

The legal distinctions are interesting. Lowe's/hardware stores are designated as "essential" services* and are allowed to stay open, but are customers supposed to go?

* At least of this afternoon when I called to ask about a return.

[BRN_RI_FL]

Always wonder why does it take so much before there is something effective required? We saw what China etc had to do to get a hold on this virus. Now we will have to be inside for months instead of the 15 weeks which would have lasted till April 26th.

Grrrr...

Better late than never, though.

Don’t believe the news about China getting a hold on the virus.

[neilbcox]

There goes golf.


Golf is an outdoor activity therefore does not fall under his order.

[DianeM]

True, but of little comfort to the CV dead and dying and to those who are living in fear

These numbers will give some perspective, but won't sink in either:

worldwide:
COVID-19-------682,708 cases, 46,252 deaths
Influenza A-----500,000,000 cases, 650,000 deaths
death all causes--57,000,000

Perfect response

[Regor]

Washington Post online says that we will be able to continue to play golf!!!! Yipee

[DianeM]

Washington Post online says that we will be able to continue to play golf!!!! Yipee

Well there ya go - ENJOY

[golfing eagles]

Washington Post online says that we will be able to continue to play golf!!!! Yipee

link????

[Regor]

link????

Golf gets OK in stay-at-home advisory for retirement haven | News Break (https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0Ocjh5nx?s=a3&pd=04Gvj5m8)

[DARFAP]

Always wonder why does it take so much before there is something effective required? We saw what China etc had to do to get a hold on this virus. Now we will have to be inside for months instead of the 15 weeks which would have lasted till April 26th.

Grrrr...

Better late than never, though.

China doesn't have a hold on this virus. Lies.

[npwalters]

Now they should restrict people to 1 trip to the grocery store per week! With the only thing going on, some people will be going on a daily bases just to get out of the house. Already have neighbors making more trips than I have ever seen.

I hope this was a joke. I hate to think anyone would want to live in a country, state, or community that could dictate that.

[npwalters]

people can't be relied upon to self discipline, especially in a senior citizen retired entitled community--best thing to snap some people into reality-

-"the world doesn't resolve around your personal needs" or your personal opinion

[Topspinmo]

You can be sure "walking, running, bicycling, hiking, walking the dog" as well as other unmentionable indoor, outdoor solo & couple activities will all be permitted as they are in every other locked down state even NYC (although they did just close all public playgrounds). And don't worry folks, I'd bet 2 electoral votes you can still buy your guns.

Good, I need about 10 more guns :a040:LOL. My guns come in form of tennis rackets, pool cues, pickleball paddles, badminton rackets, and Texas Holden.

[golfing eagles]

I hope this was a joke. I hate to think anyone would want to live in a country, state, or community that could dictate that.

Unfortunately, probably not. If you go to the thread that (incorrectly) stated the governor of Rhode Island authorized the state police and national guard to go door to door and search homes for visitors from NY, you would be appalled at the number of people on this site that supported such an action because it was "for the good of the people of Rhode Island"

Think about that----American citizens willing to trash the constitution, specifically the 4th amendment, because of a viral outbreak because one person, albeit the governor, decided it was "for the good of the people" That is the thinking of a dictator in the making

Stalin killed millions for "the collective good"
Mao killed even more for "the good of the people"
Adolph thought he was preserving the human race

I agree with you, those kind of expedient shortcuts around our most basic laws because of a short term problem should be unthinkable.

[Topspinmo]

Washington Post online says that we will be able to continue to play golf!!!! Yipee


i wouldn’t believe anything Washington post says. :boxing2:

[golfing eagles]

i wouldn’t believe anything Washington post says. :boxing2:

Neither would I, but if you go to the article it is from the Washington Times and the AP

It stated that after the governor's stay at home order, the Sumter County Commissioner sent an e-mail that stated the stay at home order does not change golf in any way

[billethkid]

Where does DeSantis plan to quarantine the people from the cruise ships?


Two more pages of responses, mostly golf, but no response to your question.

Not just quarantine but all the other support until they get to go back home.....guess who is going to foot that bill.
I would like to know the decision making process that brought them all the way here from South America. Lotta ports between here and where the ship left from (Argentina I think).

[Topspinmo]

people can't be relied upon to self discipline, especially in a senior citizen retired entitled community--best thing to snap some people into reality--the world doesn't resolve around your personal needs


My world revolve’s around my personal needs. You think I’m going to suffer for you’re needs.

[Topspinmo]

Now they should restrict people to 1 trip to the grocery store per week! With the only thing going on, some people will be going on a daily bases just to get out of the house. Already have neighbors making more trips than I have ever seen.

And how going to control that?

[Velvet]

IMHO Dr Eagle’s only fault is that he likes golf and I’m not sure that is a fault. We all have different ways of protecting our Village people and some express their ways differently to make a point. I look forwards to his input regularly.

[Topspinmo]

The legal distinctions are interesting. Lowe's/hardware stores are designated as "essential" services* and are allowed to stay open, but are customers supposed to go?

* At least of this afternoon when I called to ask about a return.
If you got water leak wouldn’t you want to be able to get parts to fix it?

[Topspinmo]

Two more pages of responses, mostly golf, but no response to your question.

Not just quarantine but all the other support until they get to go back home.....guess who is going to foot that bill.
I would like to know the decision making process that brought them all the way here from South America. Lotta ports between here and where the ship left from (Argentina I think).

The cruise ship tried several times to dock in different countries none would let them.

[Velvet]

I think they said Florida would let Floridians only off the ship.

[justjim]

I heard that bowling is also a very popular sport here, in fact, more people bowl than play golf. That's just what I heard so so not bet the bank on that.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that an outside activity such as walking, biking, fishing or golfing is entirely different from inside activities such as bowling, cards or ceramics, etc. That said, some had already abandoned playing golf, Pickleball and other activities a couple weeks ago. Different strokes for different strokes and we all have choices to make within the guidelines of the Governors executive order and it’s intent to level out the Coronavirus curve.

[cb1972]

fyi starts Friday ,one more day of golf yay

[dewilson58]

Golf gets OK in stay-at-home advisory for retirement haven | News Break (https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0Ocjh5nx?s=a3&pd=04Gvj5m8)




That was posted before governor spoke. That related to the county advisory.

[Challenger]

The church service exception is a concession to the religious right that the Govenor and the President must appease. Even many prominent church leaders are calling for the shuttering of in church gatherings.

[tghoul]

The Villages will have hundreds of construction workers idle for 30 days.

[cypress]

I could see no golf if the ambassadors and starters are deemed non-essential. They couldn't let golfers just run wild on the courses.

[wendyquat]

Maybe they will get the governor to reconsider golf. If not, I fear riots!

[skarra]

Perfect response

Over what time period?

What is the rate of increase?

Which of these are growing exponentially?

All the experts agree this is the worst flu strain since the 1918 pandemic. We need to take this VERY seriously.

[EdFNJ]

Where does DeSantis plan to quarantine the people from the cruise ships?
LOL, probably in NYC if it were up to him. He originally said (paraphrased) "since NYC is keeping the subways opened why should I shut down the whole state" :D Well, the subways still are running (mostly empty) but he gave in because he checked with someone first.

[blueash]

This must be wrong. Church services are gatherings of people and I am sure Governor Desantis would NOT have allowed that. I think almost all churches have stopped having live services around here, anyway. Church services should not be allowed. I don't think God would like us to endanger ourselves and others.

Oh Gracie you know me well enough to realize I wouldn't have made that up.

here is the link to DeSantis's executive (https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/orders/2020/EO_20-91-compressed.pdf) order dated April 1st. See page 4 for the description of essential activities, thus still allowed:

Section 3. Essential Activities
A. For purposes of this Order and the conduct it limits, "essential activities" means
and encompasses the following:
I. Attending religious services conducted in churches, synagogues and houses
of worship; and [my bold]
II. Participating in recreational activities ( consistent with social distancing
guidelines) such as walking, biking, hiking, fishing, hunting, running, or
swimming; and
III. Taking care of pets; and
IV. Caring for or otherwise assisting a loved one or friend.

Note that the requirement for social distancing is not applied to worship.

As an aside, why doesn't it just say houses of worship? Why specify two types of buildings and just lump all others into "houses of worship" ? Didn't want to mention mosques I suppose. Can you attend religious services in a cemetery or a funeral home or a private home such as a Jewish Sedar next week? Or are the only allowed places of worship buildings owned by denominations?

[DianeM]

Over what time period?

What is the rate of increase?

Which of these are growing exponentially?

All the experts agree this is the worst flu strain since the 1918 pandemic. We need to take this VERY seriously.

Excuse me? I responded to another post. Perhaps you should check there.

[EdFNJ]

Washington Post online says that we will be able to continue to play golf!!!! Yipee Just as a fact check. That was NOT the Washington POST, it was the Washington TIMES.

[rustyp]

We are about to be on lockdown for 30 days and I'm speechless - golf is the number 1 conversation. I'll use this time to dust off my copy of Leisureville.

[boobear51751]

This will not peak in the US until mid July. Do some research on past pandemics to see not only are we going to be in for the long run, but it will have a second or third run at us. Just saying, smallpox didn't disappear worldwide over night. Get some hobbies and be glad you have NetFlix.

[JoMar]

Doesn't look like the order changes much here.

[Polar Bear]

Doesn't look like the order changes much here.
Except now it’s an order and not an advisory, so there can be enforcement.

[BK001]

Link please

Why on earth would Gov. DeSantis have included "Attending religious services conducted in churches, synagogues and houses of worship" as an essential activity? Large group of people in a confined space, singing -- respiratory droplets/respiratory aerosol anyone? I'm doing my praying at home and consider those who may contract and/or spread the disease to others at this point to be wantonly irresponsible. Let us pray that the virus they potentially contract and spread does not affect those of us who are following what the scientists are telling usl

Here is the link to his order:

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/orders/2020/EO_20-91.pdf

[New Englander]

Now they should restrict people to 1 trip to the grocery store per week! With the only thing going on, some people will be going on a daily bases just to get out of the house. Already have neighbors making more trips than I have ever seen.

Yes, they are like me. On a never ending search for toilet paper.
I need my Charmin...... :cryin2:

[Challenger]

Why on earth would Gov. DeSantis have included "Attending religious services conducted in churches, synagogues and houses of worship" as an essential activity? Large group of people in a confined space, singing -- respiratory droplets/respiratory aerosol anyone? I'm doing my praying at home and consider those who may contract and/or spread the disease to others at this point to be wantonly irresponsible. Let us pray that the virus they potentially contract and spread does not affect those of us who are following what the scientists are telling usl

Here is the link to his order:

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/orders/2020/EO_20-91.pdf

He and certain National leaders have sold their souls to the religious right .

Could be a death move for many who blindly follow the dictates of their religious "leaders"

[graciegirl]

He and certain National leaders have sold their souls to the religious right .

Could be a death move for many who blindly follow the dictates of their religious "leaders"

I am sure that must have been a mistake. Even our religious leaders, almost all of them are not having services with people present.

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

people can't be relied upon to self discipline, especially in a senior citizen retired entitled community--best thing to snap some people into reality--the world doesn't resolve around your personal needs
So buddy I guess you do not live in the villages?

[MandoMan]

OK, golf and tennis are done... understandably.

But what about fishing?? Walking?? Bicycling?? Other outdoor activities that are solo endeavors?

Not essential (other than for peace of mind and exercise) but allowed or banned???

I haven’t seen the Florida list yet, but every other list I’ve seen, from various parts of the country, DOES allow walking or running, so long as social distancing is maintained. I haven’t seen fishing mentioned, but probably, if you fish alone, you are okay.

[Challenger]

I am sure that must have been a mistake. Even our religious leaders, almost all of them are not having services with people present.

Unfortunately - no mistake!!

[Tsego58]

You can. I shop at ace hardware. I walk in someone greets me at the door and someone help me in the aisle I am sent. I can tell them my problem or show a picture on my phone. They are very good about getting what I need and advise on how to fix it. Now with the new restrictions in place, you can call them and they will do the same thing. They will give you advise then give you the item numbers for what you need. Then you can place and pay for your order on the ace website and they will call you to pick up your order curbside or based on the item deliver it to your house. I say thank you to them for making this so easy to get professional help and keeping their employees and customers safe
Hope this helps.

[PugMom]

Now they should restrict people to 1 trip to the grocery store per week! With the only thing going on, some people will be going on a daily bases just to get out of the house. Already have neighbors making more trips than I have ever seen.

impossible! yesterdays visit to publix was worse than ever. no eggs, no pasta, no coffee, little dairy but they DID have bread, so that was an improvement. how are you living? where are you getting a weeks worth of supplies from? i'd love to be able to go back to weekly shops again. am not being sarcastic-please do tell?

[PugMom]

Unfortunately, probably not. If you go to the thread that (incorrectly) stated the governor of Rhode Island authorized the state police and national guard to go door to door and search homes for visitors from NY, you would be appalled at the number of people on this site that supported such an action because it was "for the good of the people of Rhode Island"

Think about that----American citizens willing to trash the constitution, specifically the 4th amendment, because of a viral outbreak because one person, albeit the governor, decided it was "for the good of the people" That is the thinking of a dictator in the making
Stalin killed millions for "the collective good"
Mao killed even more for "the good of the people"
Adolph thought he was preserving the human race

I agree with you, those kind of expedient shortcuts around our most basic laws because of a short term problem should be unthinkable.
never let a crisis, or pandemic, go to waste

[Corvettegal]

If you are a snowbird, will you be able to return to your northern home?

[PugMom]

now THAT is a good question, i havent seen/heard anything about that. maybe it depends on where your 'north' home is, --you may want to stay here if the conditions up there are worse

[golfing eagles]

The actual order allowed outdoor activities with social distancing, and mentioned running, fishing, cycling and walking. It did not specifically allow or disallow golf.

According to the front page of today's DS, golf is permitted with social distancing. Let's wait and see, after all, it is the "happy paper"

Now IF, repeat IF that is true, I would like to state the following:
On this thread, I have used my knowledge of virology and epidemiology to advocate that golf with social distancing is a relatively safe activity, and I believe I spoke for many. There is a small group of posters, mostly newbies, who for whatever reason, be it fear, panic or ignorance, vehemently disagreed with that assessment. So in return, I've been called an "idiot", "selfish", "unpatriotic", a "spreader", and the most laughable of all, literally causing me to ROFL, "unprofessional"

So IF, repeat IF the front page is correct, I have just one word for all those people-----"FORE!"

[jswirs]

JUST IN: Gov. Ron DeSantis said he will issue a statewide Stay at Home order for Florida residents. The order will go into effect starting Thursday at midnight for 30 days and will limit travel for only "essential activities."
Hey folks, this order will, IMHO, be counter productive. The order to stay at home will effect very little change here in TV. What it will do is increase the current level of panic and hoarding, while at the same time increase the level of dissension between the "Stay safe, stay at home" group and those that want to continue their lifestyle while adhering to the CDC, and governors guidelines.

[jswirs]

The actual order allowed outdoor activities with social distancing, and mentioned running, fishing, cycling and walking. It did not specifically allow or disallow golf.

According to the front page of today's DS, golf is permitted with social distancing. Let's wait and see, after all, it is the "happy paper"

Now IF, repeat IF that is true, I would like to state the following:
On this thread, I have used my knowledge of virology and epidemiology to advocate that golf with social distancing is a relatively safe activity, and I believe I spoke for many. There is a small group of posters, mostly newbies, who for whatever reason, be it fear, panic or ignorance, vehemently disagreed with that assessment. So in return, I've been called an "idiot", "selfish", "unpatriotic", a "spreader", and the most laughable of all, literally causing me to ROFL, "unprofessional"

So IF, repeat IF the front page is correct, I have just one word for all those people-----"FORE!"
Awesome! I'm not a golfer (yet), but I say, 'GO FOR IT GOLFERS". (and bikers, joggers, skaters, etc., etc.)

[Nick B]

Fishing an swimming are ok from what I read. Running also I believe

[Nick B]

Setting up a MASH unit at the polo no field. They're on the way it

[Ashley from UK]

Re: Essential Activities - here's a snippet from the governor's order. Where does it explicitly prohibit golf?

It does mention other things that some have asked about here:

So you can still attend religious activities. In the UK ALL gatherings of more than 2 people are banned unless they come from the same household.... WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FUNERALS...

No church, no weddings, no christenings... We had a civil war in the UK over religion, and religion (OK it was really a family fall out and power grab in the name of religion) so to now close ALL faiths must surely give a wake up call to those who think this is just the media hyping it up. FUNERALS are the only service allowed in the UK.... And we have already seen reports of one such family gathering in which the mother caught and subsequently died having contracted the virus at the funeral...

I read of some on this thread who have a problem with a cruise ship docking with infected passengers. What's your views on USS Theodore Roosevelt: Sailors from aircraft carrier hit by coronavirus outbreak to quarantine in Guam hotels - CNNPolitics (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/01/politics/roosevelt-quarantine-guam/index.html)

We are all people. We all have a right to live and we all owe a duty to our fellow humans that societies well being and health must come above personal liberty and profit... Otherwise we don't have a free society, we will have anarchy where the strong will rule. Your choice. If you want freedom you need to adjust...it's a short term problem if we all STAY AT HOME, PROTECT OUR HEALTH SERVICES AND SAFE LIFES....

[Nick B]

Construction is exempt.

[Nick B]

I fish alone hell even the fish social distance from me.

[Minoletti]

So, is the home building going on in TV considered non essential?
We will see.

[kenoc7]

Totally idiotic. He should have stuck to his guns and kept doing this county by county. There are counties with ZERO cases.

But further clarification is needed:

Bicycling?
Walking the dog?
hiking?

I don't see any reason to ban activities where social distancing can be maintained.

A giant thanks to all those that were clamoring to shut the state down or signed the petition to that effect. Looks like fear and panic outvoted common sense.

This order is about three weeks too late. DeSantis response to this crisis has been pathetic.

[golfing eagles]

This order is about three weeks too late. DeSantis response to this crisis has been pathetic.

In your opinion.....

[Bay Kid]

Moral of the story is to carry a fishing with you wherever you go.

[Klatu]

Ok, now that the governor has issued a stay at home order, in order to slow the spread of the virus and help keep everyone safe, it's time for all of us to start whining.

If you have lost your crib notes from middle school, here are some conversation starters:

… why me? why us? we're not New York, except for pockets of rudeness
… I can't play golf? what am I going to do? Watch Tiger King?
… I bet the governor is still moving around. Why doesn't he isolate?
… if we just had Saint Andrew Cuomo running things, this wouldn't happen
… what about shopping? I'm down to my last 30 rolls of toilet paper
… does this mean I can't sit at City Fire and drink? go to Sumter looking to dance?
… will there be patrol squads, with truncheons and tear gas to beat down walkers?
… how soon will this rule be over? WEEKS????!!! Omuhgod
…. can I get a refund on amenity fees? I bet the Morse family is moving around
… this wouldn't have happened if HIllary were president
… I bet we can sneak out at midnight and they won't catch us!
… I never get colds; why can't I be an exception?
…. I had a flu shot four years ago; I'm immune
… it's a Trump conspiracy to control me; where's Saint Nancy? ACLU?
… my dogs Fluffy and Stuffy like a cart ride each day; is that allowed?
… who is this man (woman) in my house?
…. I hope the governor will pay for my booze in this lockup!!!

[JonWilliams]

Even more idiotic---He intends to let those cruise ships with hundreds of positive people dock at Port Canaveral.
Lets let some more planeloads of people from NY/NJ land here while we sit at home doing nothing.

Would you prefer letting the passengers, which include about 300 U.S. citizens, sail around until the food runs out and they starve to death? Surely there is a way to process these people and return them to their homes without undue risk to the public.

[davem4616]

okay, so we all need to just put our 'big boy' and our 'big girl' pants on and deal with it

come on this isn't THAT difficult....Anne Frank and her family did it for quite a long time

Folks, we ARE at war...think back to what our grandparents and parents gave up and went through during WWII to support the war effort

Have some fun with this unique time in our lives:
- create a cookbook of your favorite recipes for your family
- create a scrap book out of all the old pictures in a bag in the attic
- write down some of the stories you heard from your elders as a kid & pass them on
- learn a new language
- wash your windows
- power wash the outside of your house
- wash your car more often
- hand wash the dishes
-throw a CD on and dance with your partner around the living room
- start a journal
- order some seeds on line and plant an indoor garden to get them started

go give the grandkids something to talk about...what's the legacy Grampa and Grannie left us on how they dealt with "The Covid-19 Shut down"

All of us on in the Northeast still talk about where we were/what we did when we had the great blackout back in the 60's

go make some history

[golfing eagles]

Would you prefer letting the passengers, which include about 300 U.S. citizens, sail around until the food runs out and they starve to death? Surely there is a way to process these people and return them to their homes without undue risk to the public.

Of course there is.
First of all, there are 2600 passengers of which 300 are American citizens and 50 are Floridians.
Take all US citizens off the ship, test them and quarantine if needed, provide medical care to the sick
Then assess the foreign nationals, provide medical care to those that are sick
Then the ship can go sailing, after they are reprovisioned and return foreign nationals to their country of origin, frankly, they are not our responsibility

[graciegirl]

Would you prefer letting the passengers, which include about 300 U.S. citizens, sail around until the food runs out and they starve to death? Surely there is a way to process these people and return them to their homes without undue risk to the public.

You see, that is the issue. They ARE presenting great risk to the "public". If there was an easy way, without a lot of people being exposed to those already sick, and those sick and not yet showing symptoms, than no one would be upset. I think it is up to the cruise ship to have their people on board to drive them home. ….Then burn the car? I will never get over how I feel that cruise ships are big Petri dishes with their holding tanks of water festering in dark wet holds. How many times here in Florida have we seen neighbors and friends returning from cruises with stomach viruses? There is no simple answer to anything right now Jon. I will always remember the school nurse in Junior High teaching us just how infectious, infection disease is. This bug will kill. It has killed. It will continue to kill.

[Dzurinko]

I personally think the statewide lockdown NOW is because if he allows those ships to come to Florida (and it sounds like he will), then he needs a guarantee they’ll stay indoors somewhere. Those folks who fled NY to come to Florida we’re instructed to self quarantine! Did they? I seriously doubt it. The same would happen with the ship people, they won’t! So with this new order, they’ll HAVE TO! And I think this was the reason for the statewide order.... We’ll, THAT and the fact that some are too dumb or entitled to follow a recommendation so now he has to make it mandatory! I personally don’t care.... I’ve been in my house since 12 March and have no plan of leaving!!

[Rickster52]

I'm a pickleball player and a relatively new golfer. When I exercise, I sleep better. Better sleep strengthens the immune system. I'm not a Doctor, nor have I played one on television but I find these truths to be self evident. I hope to continue these activities, although I haven't played pickleball in 2 weeks I may start to play again in small groups of 4 unless they zip tie the pickleball courts :icon_wink:

[bilcon]

Do you really believe that everything you read about China is true? If you have ever been there you would realize that wearing masks is a way of life. They put them on in the morning like you put on your lipstick. They have not made any decisions about golf. If the few who insist on gathering like children at the end of the 18 holes to wait for their playmates, then they will probably close eventually. They were very iffy on the news last night when asked about golf as a recreation like walking.

[Dzurinko]

I feel bad for those in misery, but the rest of us don’t have to be miserable with them. That doesn’t even make sense and I’m not even a golfer!

[Dlbonivich]

Not true golf and pickle ball are allowed. Sorry

[dewilson58]

Not true golf and pickle ball are allowed. Sorry


Is it in the amended order?? Did not see the amendment.

[willis100]

Are the TV golf courses closing???

Florida movement and social interactions outside of their homes, only allowing for essential services and activities until April 30. There is a piece of good news out of this, golf is considered under an essential recreational activity.

[dewilson58]

Florida movement and social interactions outside of their homes, only allowing for essential services and activities until April 30. There is a piece of good news out of this, golf is considered under an essential recreational activity.


What is your source regarding golf & the State order??

[nututv]

It's essential that I go outdoors. Walks in the woods, sunsets, kayaking, bicycling. I was harassed last week by a cop because I was launching on a beach to head off shore. He said I had to go, I said I was leaving. He then said I should launch my kayak at the very crowded boat ramp and I refused due to the dangers involved. I asked why no beach launch and he said to keep human separation... he came up to me and had been the only person within 100 feet of me all day.
Just use common sense people. It's not the Bubonic plague.

[willis100]

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[dewilson58]

World Golf Village Courses Remain Open For Play (https://us3.campaign-archive.com/?e=b3b026059f&u=2cb7bff60b827c567c5977318&id=0383e5d257)




I should have said credible source.


:ohdear:

[Rebel Pirate]

Actually, given the level of fear, panic and stress exhibited by at least half the posters on TOTV, there should be a moratorium on NEW gun licenses until this is over. NAH--never will happen, the NRA will see to it

It's not clear from your comments, so just to clarify: there's no need for a license to own a gun and there's no need for a license to buy a gun. The second amendment applies.

[golfing eagles]

It's not clear from your comments, so just to clarify: there's no need for a license to own a gun and there's no need for a license to buy a gun. The second amendment applies.

Even a handgun????? I doubt that

[nututv]

"Actually, given the level of fear, panic and stress exhibited by at least half the posters on TOTV...."
Those sound like reasons to be armed, not be disarmed.

[nututv]

Even a handgun????? I doubt that
I'm going to assume you've never purchased a gun in FL.

[golfing eagles]

"Actually, given the level of fear, panic and stress exhibited by at least half the posters on TOTV...."
Those sound like reasons to be armed, not be disarmed.

Hopefully it doesn't come to that. For now, inexperienced people buying guns would be like replacing cab drivers with chimpanzees. If they don't inadvertently shoot themselves or someone else, I'd be concerned over "toilet paper aisle rage"

[golfing eagles]

I'm going to assume you've never purchased a gun in FL.

Never purchased one, shot one or held one. Coming from NY, the gun laws are pretty strict. I thought all states, even Texas and Arizona, had a background check and a waiting period for HANDGUNS---correct me if I'm wrong, and even more requirements for a CCW, such as an approved course

[nututv]

Never purchased one, shot one or held one. Coming from NY, the gun laws are pretty strict. I thought all states, even Texas and Arizona, had a background check and a waiting period for HANDGUNS---correct me if I'm wrong, and even more requirements for a CCW, such as an approved course
Background checks and waiting periods are different from a gun license. If you wanted to buy a gun for home defense or to plink with, bring your drivers license in and start shopping. CCW is a different breed entirely.
I was asked in Syracuse once by a cop if I had a gun once. I relied no. He replied GET ONE SOON! I in fact did have one, he just wasn't aware of them. :)

[nututv]

inexperienced people buying guns would be like replacing cab drivers with chimpanzees.
I can get anyone very proficient with nearly any firearm in a day if they're wanting and willing to learn. Getting a chimp to drive a cab? If you've been told firearms are all that difficult to master you've been lied to.

[Gizemo33]

It is spelled FOOL !!!!! That is how I would describe your comment.

[nututv]

It is spelled FOOL !!!!! That is how I would describe your comment.
Who's comment and which one?

[navair4me]

good points regarding allowing cruise ships and influx of people from heavily infected areas

[New Englander]

I fish alone hell even the fish social distance from me.

:1rotfl:

[rustyp]

The actual order allowed outdoor activities with social distancing, and mentioned running, fishing, cycling and walking. It did not specifically allow or disallow golf.

According to the front page of today's DS, golf is permitted with social distancing. Let's wait and see, after all, it is the "happy paper"

Now IF, repeat IF that is true, I would like to state the following:
On this thread, I have used my knowledge of virology and epidemiology to advocate that golf with social distancing is a relatively safe activity, and I believe I spoke for many. There is a small group of posters, mostly newbies, who for whatever reason, be it fear, panic or ignorance, vehemently disagreed with that assessment. So in return, I've been called an "idiot", "selfish", "unpatriotic", a "spreader", and the most laughable of all, literally causing me to ROFL, "unprofessional"

So IF, repeat IF the front page is correct, I have just one word for all those people-----"FORE!"

Here is an excerpt from the governor's official order. This document is the one I will follow. Any other document is not official unless it has an official Florida Government Stamp on it and is simply an interpretation of this document some of which are self fulfilling.

STATE OF FLORIDA
OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR
EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER 20-91
(Essential Services and Activities During COVID-19 Emergency)


Section 1. Safer At Home
A. Senior citizens and individuals with a significant underlying medical condition
(such as chronic lung disease, moderate-to-severe asthma, serious heart conditions,
immunocompromised status, cancer, diabetes, severe obesity, renal failure and liver disease)
shall stay at home and take all measures to limit the risk of exposure to COVID-19.

On 3/25/2020 Golfing Eagles wrote "I have type 2 DM". Per the above document that clearly includes you in Section 1 - A. Sorry but it appears you can not play golf unless it can be done from home. But why would a MD with 2 DM obey the law. Wait I hear an interpretation coming.

:icon_wink:

[anothersteve]

Why would the golf courses still be open for business if you can't play?

Steve

[rustyp]

Why would the golf courses still be open for business if you can't play?

Steve

The courses are open for people who are not in this group - this group of individuals are to stay at home per the governor:

Section 1. Safer At Home
A. Senior citizens and individuals with a significant underlying medical condition
(such as chronic lung disease, moderate-to-severe asthma, serious heart conditions,
immunocompromised status, cancer, diabetes, severe obesity, renal failure and liver disease)
shall stay at home and take all measures to limit the risk of exposure to COVID-19.

[prntxpresn]

BUT it is not a mandate so solo activities can continue.

[dewilson58]

Why would the golf courses still be open for business if you can't play?

Steve




Agree.
Governor did not include golf.
A Sumter County employee says it's okay........but he has no authority.


:shrug:

[golfing eagles]

Here is an excerpt from the governor's official order. This document is the one I will follow. Any other document is not official unless it has an official Florida Government Stamp on it and is simply an interpretation of this document some of which are self fulfilling.

STATE OF FLORIDA
OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR
EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER 20-91
(Essential Services and Activities During COVID-19 Emergency)


Section 1. Safer At Home
A. Senior citizens and individuals with a significant underlying medical condition
(such as chronic lung disease, moderate-to-severe asthma, serious heart conditions,
immunocompromised status, cancer, diabetes, severe obesity, renal failure and liver disease)
shall stay at home and take all measures to limit the risk of exposure to COVID-19.

On 3/25/2020 Golfing Eagles wrote "I have type 2 DM". Per the above document that clearly includes you in Section 1 - A. Sorry but it appears you can not play golf unless it can be done from home. But why would a MD with 2 DM obey the law. Wait I hear an interpretation coming.

:icon_wink:

Now here's a question formatted like the 3rd grade IQ tests---which of the following does not belong in this list?
Let's see, cardiorespiratory diseases?
Immunocompromised states?
Obesity?
DM?

Define obesity in the order. BMI>25?, >30?, >35?
Can someone with a BMI of 29.9 play but not someone with a BMI of 30.1?

Define DM the same way. Type 1 or type 2? Controlled or uncontrolled? Associated retinopathy, nephropathy, neuropathy or not? HbgA1C <6.0? 6.0-7.0? over 7.0?

Clearly some rocket scientist threw Obesity and DM on that list for God knows what reason, I doubt it was a medical doctor, and if so, not much thought went into it.

The people who should be staying at home first and foremost are those that could spread the virus----ie: recent contact with a known infected individual, recent travel abroad, escapees from NY, those with clear symptoms, and those poor people on the cruise ships.
The list above, with the exception of DM and "obesity" are people at higher risk to contract the virus.

But, once again, I applaud your effort to "poke the bear"

[SnowflakeinDeLaVista]

I saw that, but really don’t see what has changed. Church is described as an essential activity. You can have a hundred people sitting together in pews, singing hymns, shaking hands, etc. makes no sense. My sister just signed a contract on her house and her realtor claims all the people required to ensure her deal goes through are considered “essential.” Home inspectors, repair personnel, surveyors, appraisers, bank personnel, title researchers, county clerks, etc, etc, etc. Each of those people could be infected but asymptomatic at the time of their entering the property or workplace and potentially leave virus behind for those around them or that follow. I also don’t see any “teeth” in DeSantis’ order. What are the penalties?

[nututv]

Can someone with a BMI of 29.9 play but not someone with a BMI of 30.1?
If your BMI is 29 or higher, you have larger worries than the flu... and have had for quite some time I'd quess.

[bumpygreens]

Ok, now that the governor has issued a stay at home order, in order to slow the spread of the virus and help keep everyone safe, it's time for all of us to start whining.

If you have lost your crib notes from middle school, here are some conversation starters:

… why me? why us? we're not New York, except for pockets of rudeness
… I can't play golf? what am I going to do? Watch Tiger King?
… I bet the governor is still moving around. Why doesn't he isolate?
… if we just had Saint Andrew Cuomo running things, this wouldn't happen
… what about shopping? I'm down to my last 30 rolls of toilet paper
… does this mean I can't sit at City Fire and drink? go to Sumter looking to dance?
… will there be patrol squads, with truncheons and tear gas to beat down walkers?
… how soon will this rule be over? WEEKS????!!! Omuhgod
…. can I get a refund on amenity fees? I bet the Morse family is moving around
… this wouldn't have happened if HIllary were president
… I bet we can sneak out at midnight and they won't catch us!
… I never get colds; why can't I be an exception?
…. I had a flu shot four years ago; I'm immune
… it's a Trump conspiracy to control me; where's Saint Nancy? ACLU?
… my dogs Fluffy and Stuffy like a cart ride each day; is that allowed?
… who is this man (woman) in my house?
…. I hope the governor will pay for my booze in this lockup!!!

Ain't it the truth? I wholeheartedly agree, except my dogs are "SandyBunkers" and "DeepRuff".

[pauld315]

There goes golf.

Golf is an approved outside activity as long as social distancing is used

[pauld315]

Even more idiotic---He intends to let those cruise ships with hundreds of positive people dock at Port Canaveral.
Lets let some more planeloads of people from NY/NJ land here while we sit at home doing nothing.

No he doesn't

[Challenger]

No license required to purchase gun in Florida. Background check is required if gun is purchased commercially. Person to person sales have some exceptions, as do gun shows. Need Concealed Carry permit to carry. Numerous other rules apply

[rustyp]

Now here's a question formatted like the 3rd grade IQ tests---which of the following does not belong in this list?
Let's see, cardiorespiratory diseases?
Immunocompromised states?
Obesity?
DM?

Define obesity in the order. BMI>25?, >30?, >35?
Can someone with a BMI of 29.9 play but not someone with a BMI of 30.1?

Define DM the same way. Type 1 or type 2? Controlled or uncontrolled? Associated retinopathy, nephropathy, neuropathy or not? HbgA1C <6.0? 6.0-7.0? over 7.0?

Clearly some rocket scientist threw Obesity and DM on that list for God knows what reason, I doubt it was a medical doctor, and if so, not much thought went into it.

The people who should be staying at home first and foremost are those that could spread the virus----ie: recent contact with a known infected individual, recent travel abroad, escapees from NY, those with clear symptoms, and those poor people on the cruise ships.
The list above, with the exception of DM and "obesity" are people at higher risk to contract the virus.

But, once again, I applaud your effort to "poke the bear"

You can justify your desire to play golf with as many technicalities and experience that you can muster up. Fore the love of golf - go play. It's obvious nobody is going to stop you. Many people break the law and not all get caught. But they still are breaking the law. I remember my grand jury stint. DA says you may surly think the law should not apply in this particular instance however you must apply the law as it is written. If you don't like it is your option to try and change the law but no how do you have the right to break it.

[Skunky1]

Close those churches open up the bars

[TeeRex#14]

Here's a riddle for ya''ll to dissolve: "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"

[E Cascade]

okay, so we all need to just put our 'big boy' and our 'big girl' pants on and deal with it

come on this isn't THAT difficult....Anne Frank and her family did it for quite a long time

Folks, we ARE at war...think back to what our grandparents and parents gave up and went through during WWII to support the war effort

Have some fun with this unique time in our lives:
- create a cookbook of your favorite recipes for your family
- create a scrap book out of all the old pictures in a bag in the attic
- write down some of the stories you heard from your elders as a kid & pass them on
- learn a new language
- wash your windows
- power wash the outside of your house
- wash your car more often
- hand wash the dishes
-throw a CD on and dance with your partner around the living room
- start a journal
- order some seeds on line and plant an indoor garden to get them started

go give the grandkids something to talk about...what's the legacy Grampa and Grannie left us on how they dealt with "The Covid-19 Shut down"

All of us on in the Northeast still talk about where we were/what we did when we had the great blackout back in the 60's

go make some history

Thanks so much for your posting. I'm sick of reading stuff that spoiled idiots are putting on this method of communicating. it seems like the ol' 20/80 rule......20 % do all the work, thinking, creating, etc while 80% just complain and follow along. My "to do" list has just gotten so long now that we have this virus as I am trying to learn, find ways to hire individuals to do work for me on my rentals, do research, spend my time more efficiently, ......... Thanks for your posting. I fear too many have slipped into complacency and what it brings. Cheerio for now and remember Who is in control:)

[MarvM]

But might have saved many lives and shortened the total disruption to everyone's life.

[golfing eagles]

You can justify your desire to play golf with as many technicalities and experience that you can muster up. Fore the love of golf - go play. It's obvious nobody is going to stop you. Many people break the law and not all get caught. But they still are breaking the law. I remember my grand jury stint. DA says you may surly think the law should not apply in this particular instance however you must apply the law as it is written. If you don't like it is your option to try and change the law but no how do you have the right to break it.

So now, the real joke is on you. While type 2 DM runs in my family, I do not have it (at least not yet) I stretched the truth in that post to make a point, that people with type 2 DM are not necessarily immunocompromised---to allay the fears that another poster might have instilled in thousands of people Do you really think I would ever post personal health information on an open forum? Too many years of being HIPPA conscious made it an ingrained habit, besides, it's just dumb to do that anyway.

So as I said before-----"FORE!"

PS. I'm beginning to enjoy these back and forth barbs, keep them coming. Great entertainment, as long as you realize I'm not seriously attacking you.

[Indydealmaker]

It is not over in China by any means.

[graciegirl]

It is not over in China by any means.

You are right as usual, Indy. And it may be around for far longer than anyone dares say.

[nututv]

And it may be around for far longer than anyone dares say.
I'd be willing to bet that by the end of the year, for the most part, it'll just be a bad memory. Too many politicians are getting it and in all honesty, like hurricanes, the worse thing about it all is all the media attention.
Now the economy, that's going to be in the ER for awhile.

[DianeM]

Ok, now that the governor has issued a stay at home order, in order to slow the spread of the virus and help keep everyone safe, it's time for all of us to start whining.

If you have lost your crib notes from middle school, here are some conversation starters:

… why me? why us? we're not New York, except for pockets of rudeness
… I can't play golf? what am I going to do? Watch Tiger King?
… I bet the governor is still moving around. Why doesn't he isolate?
… if we just had Saint Andrew Cuomo running things, this wouldn't happen
… what about shopping? I'm down to my last 30 rolls of toilet paper
… does this mean I can't sit at City Fire and drink? go to Sumter looking to dance?
… will there be patrol squads, with truncheons and tear gas to beat down walkers?
… how soon will this rule be over? WEEKS????!!! Omuhgod
…. can I get a refund on amenity fees? I bet the Morse family is moving around
… this wouldn't have happened if HIllary were president
… I bet we can sneak out at midnight and they won't catch us!
… I never get colds; why can't I be an exception?
…. I had a flu shot four years ago; I'm immune
… it's a Trump conspiracy to control me; where's Saint Nancy? ACLU?
… my dogs Fluffy and Stuffy like a cart ride each day; is that allowed?
… who is this man (woman) in my house?
…. I hope the governor will pay for my booze in this lockup!!!

This is so perfect. Reminds me of junior high.

[golfing eagles]

This is so perfect. Reminds me of junior high.

A lot of posts on TOTV remind me of junior high:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Ginny1024]

Just drove by Bogart Golf course around 10:45 today, there was a group lined up to play golf, 8 to 10 carts, and at least 15 people all gathered together. See picture below:

https://imageshack.com/i/plmRkQZ5j
Why would they allow groups?

[blueash]

Too many years of being HIPPA conscious made it an ingrained habit, besides, it's just dumb to do that anyway.
Great entertainment, as long as you realize I'm not seriously attacking you.

Well darn, I spent all those years being HIPAA compliant. Nobody taught me about HIPPA. Isn't she in the British Royal family? No that's Pippa? Seriously I'm not attacking you. I'm just a pedant.

[dewilson58]

Just drove by Bogart Golf course around 10:45 today, there was a group lined up to play golf, 8 to 10 carts, and at least 15 people all gathered together. See picture below:


Why would they allow groups?




Picture says a thousand words. Wow.


Welcome to ToTV.

[Challenger]

Just drove by Bogart Golf course around 10:45 today, there was a group lined up to play golf, 8 to 10 carts, and at least 15 people all gathered together. See picture below:

https://imageshack.com/i/plmRkQZ5j
Why would they allow groups?

Bone heads like this will kill the goose that laid thee golden egg

[Velvet]

He and certain National leaders have sold their souls to the religious right .

Could be a death move for many who blindly follow the dictates of their religious "leaders"

Some people must have held him by the balls... I’m very upset that those who would worship would put themselves in danger!

[DianeM]

A lot of posts on TOTV remind me of junior high:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Truly valid point

[DianeM]

Bone heads like this will kill the goose that laid thee golden egg

Maybe they already made their hospital appointments

[golfing eagles]

Bone heads like this will kill the goose that laid thee golden egg

They certainly might. But it is hard to get depth perception from this photo. If you look closely, the only people that are close to each other are the yellow and blue shirts in the foreground with their backs turned. The rest may or not be too close, tough to tell

PS, now we have more than 1 person going around taking pictures of golfers---WHY????? What is the purpose????

[nututv]

Just drove by Bogart Golf course around 10:45 today, there was a group lined up to play golf, 8 to 10 carts, and at least 15 people all gathered together. See picture below:

https://imageshack.com/i/plmRkQZ5j
Why would they allow groups?
Well darn. Guess I'll be cancelling that swing party next week.:(

[Breanna]

Totally idiotic. He should have stuck to his guns and kept doing this county by county. There are counties with ZERO cases.

But further clarification is needed:

Bicycling?
Walking the dog?
hiking?

I don't see any reason to ban activities where social distancing can be maintained.

A giant thanks to all those that were clamoring to shut the state down or signed the petition to that effect. Looks like fear and panic outvoted common sense.

Clearly many here lack knowledge about the biology & sociology of pandemics & their spread & are only thinking about politics & selfish desires.

Pandemics are democratic, they kill you regardless of whether you are conservative or liberal or independent.

It is evident some here actually "believe" we have counties with no cases still. That is not the case. We don't have enough testing. Testing per capita in USA is very low & limited to symptomatic patients only. (No USA has NOT done more tests per capita than other modern countries. We are way behind.)

Famous quote about medicine "If you don't take a temperature, you can't find a fever."

If you dont test for Covid, then......(you aren't going to know where it is or isn't.)

This virus is everywhere on this planet. Aka PANdemic, not EPIdemic. In what universe is there a spared county with zero cases? (Is the space station considered a county?)

For those confused out there, watch any of the wonderful documentaries on the great flu pandemic of 1918.

Seriously, please educate about 1918 pandemic, watch documentaries on it.

Until you've seen those & understand virology, public health & pandemic spread patterns, then things you write in your posts will demonstrate factors about yourself you may not wish to so broadly advertise.

SARS-CoV-2 (virus that causes Covid 19 illness) has exposed the greatest public health fumble and debacle in the history of this country.

Period.

Decide for yourself where the buck stops for this deadly, pathetic early response & failures to shut all states down immediately. If we had done this & early testing & surrveillance & case tracking, we would be like South Korea now. Open for business with freedom to move about the country.

We can starve this virus be depriving it the ability to reproduce...I.e. by depriving it of new victims. If isolation is done in piecemeal fashion, rather than across the board) then pockets of virus stay alive & when other states re-open, these viral pockets will reinfect the states that saved themselves via isolation.

Wonder why death rates are all over map with SARS-CoV-2 (Covid 19 disease)? Watch death rates in USA. You see one number now. Say 2%. Wait until you watch it increase up to even perhaps 10% death rate. Why? When you can't get a ventilator or even get to a hospital, guess what happens to death rate? When hospitals get overrun & fail then death rates will rise. This is already happening in the USA.

STAY HOME!
Protect others.

If you are too selfish to care about others then stay home to
protect yourself.

[jimjamuser]

Park those golf carts and close the courses, they aren't necessary activities.
I agree. There are no carts with seat separation of more than 6 ft.

[Polar Bear]

I agree. There are no carts with seat separation of more than 6 ft.
That’s why they’re allowing four carts per group.

[golfing eagles]

I agree. There are no carts with seat separation of more than 6 ft.

So what? Golfers are taking their individual carts, unless they are a couple. Please have some concept of what you are talking about.

[jimjamuser]

Just drove by Bogart Golf course around 10:45 today, there was a group lined up to play golf, 8 to 10 carts, and at least 15 people all gathered together. See picture below:

https://imageshack.com/i/plmRkQZ5j
Why would they allow groups?
Can we say money? Give me money , that's what I need

[coffeebean]

This order is about three weeks too late. DeSantis response to this crisis has been pathetic.
I agree!

[Velvet]

I heard that the gov was attacked for people dying on the ship. He was elected to save Floridian lives and that is what he tried to do. Am I mistaken?

[billethkid]

Just drove by Bogart Golf course around 10:45 today, there was a group lined up to play golf, 8 to 10 carts, and at least 15 people all gathered together. See picture below:

https://imageshack.com/i/plmRkQZ5j
Why would they allow groups?

The very reason they wound up closing the pools....the knuckle heads standing/sitting around the pool just like this.

Get ready...golf courses to be closed....wanna bet?

[coffeebean]

It is spelled FOOL !!!!! That is how I would describe your comment.

Please QUOTE the person you are responding to. Thanks.

[rustyp]

So now, the real joke is on you. While type 2 DM runs in my family, I do not have it (at least not yet) I stretched the truth in that post to make a point, that people with type 2 DM are not necessarily immunocompromised---to allay the fears that another poster might have instilled in thousands of people Do you really think I would ever post personal health information on an open forum? Too many years of being HIPPA conscious made it an ingrained habit, besides, it's just dumb to do that anyway.

So as I said before-----"FORE!"

PS. I'm beginning to enjoy these back and forth barbs, keep them coming. Great entertainment, as long as you realize I'm not seriously attacking you.

A real doctor would know it's HIPAA not HIPPA. The joke was on me.

[golfing eagles]

A real doctor would know it's HIPAA not HIPPA. The joke was on me.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Looks like it's on me!
Duly chastised for my typo, thanks

PS Did you take your dose of hydroxymethylglutrylCoAreductase inhibitor today?

[Laker14]

regarding the ships seeking to dock and disembark passengers in Florida:

there is a website that will tell you where every cruise ship is, and what the current itinerary is. It's called Cruisemapper.com. Check it out.

I thought this was interesting: One of the ships, the Regal Princess, started it's current trip on March 22...really, on March 22 people got on a cruise ship in Ft. Lauderdale, expecting to spend 14 days visiting a number of Caribbean tourist trap ports-of-call, and get back to Ft. Lauderdale, with no Coronavirus issues? And this was allowed by the Federal and State Governments?

But it gets better. Another ship, the Rotterdam, left Ft. Lauderdale on March 27, planning on visiting 5 ports-of-call...and guess what? They now have a problem. Who could have possibly seen that coming, all of 6 days ago?

[golfing eagles]

regarding the ships seeking to dock and disembark passengers in Florida:

there is a website that will tell you where every cruise ship is, and what the current itinerary is. It's called Cruisemapper.com. Check it out.

I thought this was interesting: One of the ships, the Regal Princess, started it's current trip on March 22...really, on March 22 people got on a cruise ship in Ft. Lauderdale, expecting to spend 14 days visiting a number of Caribbean tourist trap ports-of-call, and get back to Ft. Lauderdale, with no Coronavirus issues? And this was allowed by the Federal and State Governments?

But it gets better. Another ship, the Rotterdam, left Ft. Lauderdale on March 27, planning on visiting 5 ports-of-call...and guess what? They now have a problem. Who could have possibly seen that coming, all of 6 days ago?

So, who wins the Darwin award?

The cruise line for departing?
The authorities for allowing it?
Or the passengers that boarded it?

[Villageswimmer]

A real doctor would know it's HIPAA not HIPPA. The joke was on me.

Clearly, anyone can be anything on an anonymous forum.
Everyone should keep this in mind.

[rustyp]

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Looks like it's on me!
Duly chastised for my typo, thanks

PS Did you take your dose of hydroxymethylglutrylCoAreductase inhibitor today?

Did you mean hydroxymethyl glutaric CoAreductase ? Is there such a thing as a "birther" doctor ? Oh how silly. That would be an obstetrician.

[rustyp]

JUST IN: Florida Department of Health confirms first COVID-19 deaths in tri-county area, two Lake County residents who were not Villagers.

Source Villages Daily Sun FB Page

No other info was given

[Velvet]

Can I modify my comment? Substitute S Korea instead of China since most of us have such difficulty believing China.

[jryley2@yahoo.com]

I agree! People don’t listen. They don’t have it and their friends don’t have it...yet. It only takes one person to affect another.

[birdiebill]

regarding the ships seeking to dock and disembark passengers in Florida:

there is a website that will tell you where every cruise ship is, and what the current itinerary is. It's called Cruisemapper.com. Check it out.

I thought this was interesting: One of the ships, the Regal Princess, started it's current trip on March 22...really, on March 22 people got on a cruise ship in Ft. Lauderdale, expecting to spend 14 days visiting a number of Caribbean tourist trap ports-of-call, and get back to Ft. Lauderdale, with no Coronavirus issues? And this was allowed by the Federal and State Governments?

But it gets better. Another ship, the Rotterdam, left Ft. Lauderdale on March 27, planning on visiting 5 ports-of-call...and guess what? They now have a problem. Who could have possibly seen that coming, all of 6 days ago?

The Regal Princess did not start a cruise with passengers on March 22. The Regal finished its last cruise on March 8; that cruise was actually curtailed but was not allowed to dock at Port Everglades until Sunday night, March 8. All passengers had to disembark including friends of ours who were scheduled to continue on on the Regal until March 15. All Princess Cruises that were to begin March 8 or later were cancelled and Princess shut down cruise operations on March 8 for at least 60 days.

The Regal still had crew onboard, but did not take on any new passengers. I know the Regal left Port Everglades and spent some time at its private beach in the Bahamas so crew members could "vacation" at the beach like their passengers usually do. It also had to take on provisions for the crew members staying onboard; so it may have returned to Port Everglades to do so and then left again for where ever it was going to sit out the 60 (or likely more) days. Some Princess ships were sent to Freeport Bahamas.

[golfing eagles]

Did you mean hydroxymethyl glutaric CoAreductase ? Is there such a thing as a "birther" doctor ? Oh how silly. That would be an obstetrician.

No. I actually meant hydroxymethylglutrYL Coenzyme A reductase inhibitor:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jryley2@yahoo.com]

They just closed the dog park in Wildwood ☹️

[Altavia]

The actual order allowed outdoor activities with social distancing, and mentioned running, fishing, cycling and walking. It did not specifically allow or disallow golf.

According to the front page of today's DS, golf is permitted with social distancing. Let's wait and see, after all, it is the "happy paper"

Now IF, repeat IF that is true, I would like to state the following:
On this thread, I have used my knowledge of virology and epidemiology to advocate that golf with social distancing is a relatively safe activity, and I believe I spoke for many. There is a small group of posters, mostly newbies, who for whatever reason, be it fear, panic or ignorance, vehemently disagreed with that assessment. So in return, I've been called an "idiot", "selfish", "unpatriotic", a "spreader", and the most laughable of all, literally causing me to ROFL, "unprofessional"

So IF, repeat IF the front page is correct, I have just one word for all those people-----"FORE!"

Seems that UV from the sun and fresh air dilution effect further reduce the risk.
So probably safer outside on a golf course than inside at a grocery if everything else is the same.

Think of it as being around smokers, would you prefer inside or outside where you can step away.

[shirleyjerez]

Tell that to people who have lost love ones. It’s people who don’t listen that caused this citrus to so far. If we all stayed home this virus would not have spread like it has.
What medical school have you gone to.

[shirleyjerez]

Great Violence that’s a great answer. How bright????!

[shirleyjerez]

If my electricity went out in my house , would I call a surgeon? Or a plumber? Of course not I would cal an electrician. Right we’ll we have a medical problem would I go to a plumber ? Of course not . So why aren’t you
Listening???

[graciegirl]

If my electricity went out in my house , would I call a surgeon? Or a plumber? Of course not I would cal an electrician. Right we’ll we have a medical problem would I go to a plumber ? Of course not . So why aren’t you
Listening???

Golfing Eagles has been a physician for many decades. He is very intelligent and very clear in what he thinks medically and in other opinions as well. I trust him, and am glad he says golfing is safe if you ride alone in your own cart, use your foot to rake traps, do not allow the ball to go in the hole and don't touch anything and keep the recommended social distance...……………... because I would have my husband in leg irons if he didn't give golf his imprimatur.

[Villageswimmer]

I’d be very careful to trust guidance or opinions from anyone on an anonymous Internet forum. People can easily be led astray. Better to err on the side of caution, as Dr. Fauci advises.

[rmd2]

Totally idiotic. He should have stuck to his guns and kept doing this county by county. There are counties with ZERO cases.

But further clarification is needed:

Bicycling?
Walking the dog?
hiking?

I don't see any reason to ban activities where social distancing can be maintained.

A giant thanks to all those that were clamoring to shut the state down or signed the petition to that effect. Looks like fear and panic outvoted common sense.

Aren't you the same person who scoffed at the fact that we might not have enough ventilators? I'm fairly sure I read that in one of your responses.

[rmd2]

That's not really fair. There are about a million other things for her to do here. In fact, last I heard, golf was only the third most popular sport after softball and pickleball.

And the most popular indoor activity is bridge.

[rmd2]

That’s the absolute best definition I’ve heard. Thank you. Enjoy!

Yes, but the bug you might be bitten by is the corona.

[Laker14]

Ok, thanks for correcting me. I apologize for posting false information. A visit to the Princess website explains it, although I could not find that information yesterday. That doesn't mean it wasn't there.
Perusing the Holland America site, looking for information about when the Rotterdam itinerary started, I could not find any information about when Rotterdam left port on current itinerary.

[rustyp]

I’d be very careful to trust guidance or opinions from anyone on an anonymous Internet forum. People can easily be led astray. Better to err on the side of caution, as Dr. Fauci advises.

I have nothing but time on my hands right now and have a few connections. I am beginning to smell a rat. I will look into this. It may take a while.

[golfing eagles]

Aren't you the same person who scoffed at the fact that we might not have enough ventilators? I'm fairly sure I read that in one of your responses.

No, it wasn't me

[golfing eagles]

I have nothing but time on my hands right now and have a few connections. I am beginning to smell a rat. I will look into this. It may take a while.

Keep sniffing:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Mendy]

Just drove by Bogart Golf course around 10:45 today, there was a group lined up to play golf, 8 to 10 carts, and at least 15 people all gathered together. See picture below:

https://imageshack.com/i/plmRkQZ5j
Why would they allow groups?

What's wrong with these people! This is precisely why we have a major problem. Too many people feel they are immune and are not thinking about others. In this case, it would be nice if the starter tried to keep people separated as well. If people don't start "acting responsibly" soon, the courses will be shut down. Just my 2 cents.........

[DianeM]

So, who wins the Darwin award?

The cruise line for departing?
The authorities for allowing it?
Or the passengers that boarded it?

Darwin Award goes to stupid passengers

[rustyp]

Keep sniffing:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Silence is golden

Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons : Silence is Golden - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe4qk7Mijlo)

[golfing eagles]

Silence is golden

Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons : Silence is Golden - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe4qk7Mijlo)

In which case, you should follow your own advice:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Sparky25]

Yet there is still a group of men who bring chairs down to the Square and sit on the sidewalk on the north side of the Square blocking pedestrian traffic and disobeying the law as of 8 AM this morning. What can we do about stupid!

[Chi-Town]

Yet there is still a group of men who bring chairs down to the Square and sit on the sidewalk on the north side of the Square blocking pedestrian traffic and disobeying the law as of 8 AM this morning. What can we do about stupid!

Pedestrians traffic at 8:00am? Who's going where and why?

[DonH57]

Which square? Eight in the morning? There would only be feral cats running around. Everything's closed.

[mdticket]

Golfing Eagles has been a physician for many decades. He is very intelligent and very clear in what he thinks medically and in other opinions as well. I trust him, and am glad he says golfing is safe if you ride alone in your own cart, use your foot to rake traps, do not allow the ball to go in the hole and don't touch anything and keep the recommended social distance...……………... because I would have my husband in leg irons if he didn't give golf his imprimatur.

It is not safe for employees! No matter what you do you can not keep people at a proper distance. We are handling cash! No one should need a snack or a drink with everyone having coolers on their cart, but they must think it's safe not knowing who or what the employee has been in contact with. You can't fix stupid and there is plenty of it. Yesterday was my last day, can't take the stupidity any longer.

[Villageswimmer]

It is not safe for employees! No matter what you do you can not keep people at a proper distance. We are handling cash! No one should need a snack or a drink with everyone having coolers on their cart, but they must think it's safe not knowing who or what the employee has been in contact with. You can't fix stupid and there is plenty of it. Yesterday was my last day, can't take the stupidity any longer.

So sorry you had to work under these circumstances. I’m glad you posted, though. There seem to be many gullible people on this forum to their detriment. I think they hear what they want to believe and give undue credence to someone who holds himself out to be an expert. Please think for yourselves!

[golfing eagles]

It is not safe for employees! No matter what you do you can not keep people at a proper distance. We are handling cash! No one should need a snack or a drink with everyone having coolers on their cart, but they must think it's safe not knowing who or what the employee has been in contact with. You can't fix stupid and there is plenty of it. Yesterday was my last day, can't take the stupidity any longer.

You can keep the proper distance, but I agree they should not be selling stuff or handling cash at the starter shacks

[Villageswimmer]

It is not safe for employees! No matter what you do you can not keep people at a proper distance. We are handling cash! No one should need a snack or a drink with everyone having coolers on their cart, but they must think it's safe not knowing who or what the employee has been in contact with. You can't fix stupid and there is plenty of it. Yesterday was my last day, can't take the stupidity any longer.

Did you report your concerns to management?

[mdticket]

Did you report your concerns to management?

Everyday!!! Employees have gotten great support from our facility but they can only do so much. As of yesterday we had not heard a peep from those that are in charge of the golf division. Out of hand sanitizer and running low of all need supplies.

[rustyp]

Keep sniffing:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


Did you play today ? Are there many others playing ? Do you usually play with a group of golfers you know or do you go out as a single ? Can you drive that sandtrap on hole number 8 of Egret ?

[golfing eagles]

Did you play today ? Are there many others playing ? Do you usually play with a group of golfers you know or do you go out as a single ? Can you drive that sandtrap on hole number 8 of Egret ?

:boom:

Yes
Yes
I know them
Have driven the green many times

Glad to see you back!

[mdticket]

You can keep the proper distance, but I agree they should not be selling stuff or handling cash at the starter shacks

We have cones six feet from the starter window, some people walk around them and walk right up to the window. In most cases we can stop them but in some cases if your looking at the screen they are one to two feet away before you see them. It truly is not safe. Watch the movie "Contagion".

[Villageswimmer]

Has anyone read posts 232, 236 and 239? Do any of you care?
Pathetic.

[Katieburr]

A day late and a dollar short Governor. There are a lot of people way ahead of you, like closing their beaches For spring break.

[mdticket]

With the new procedures that will be put in place on Monday I think golf will be safe. Having said that it's happening 2 weeks later than it should be. Rickey Craig said in today's paper that the golf division will continue to do what ever it takes to stay ahead of the curve. What a joke, nothing he has done has been ahead of the curve starting with the conditions of the golf courses.

[New Englander]

A day late and a dollar short Governor. There are a lot of people way ahead of you, like closing their beaches For spring break.

The beaches staying open during spring break was beyond stupid, greedy and extremely dangerous.

[xcaligirl]

OK folks. Here it is, straight from Governor DeSantis.........

Gov. DeSantis issues stay-at-home order for entire state of Florida | WEAR (https://weartv.com/news/local/gov-desantis-issues-stay-at-home-order-for-entire-state-of-florida)

NO MORE congregating at the squares or anywhere for that matter. Just wondering......is golf essential?
The Governor is the one who added golf as 'essential' exercise. I can see walking/running/biking if you are doing it alone and keeping your distance from others. Some people are so happy they can get exercise, they have to invite their 'friends' to go with them. I've never seen a community that cannot do something alone

[rustyp]

Yes
Yes
I know them
Have driven the green many times

Glad to see you back!


Thanks PAL. But as Evita Peron said "the truth is I never left you".

[Challenger]

The beaches staying open during spring break was beyond stupid, greedy and extremely dangerous.

As are those churches that are still open. Act now Governor DeSantis---for God's sake , save his people from their missteps.

[ALadysMom]

Golf is an outdoor activity therefore does not fall under his order.


This explains why outdoor activities are not without risk of exposure.

The spread of a sneeze. It goes father than you think...

Coughs and sneezes travel farther than you think - YouTube (https://youtu.be/9qqHOKUXY5U)

Older guys are most likely to die from COVID-19 so why would Villagers take that chance? They are risking dying alone in the hospital while gasping for air so they can have a few moments of fun...seems like a real no-brainer.

[ALadysMom]

As are those churches that are still open. Act now Governor DeSantis---for God's sake , save his people from their missteps.
__________________
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Edmund Burke 1729-1797

^^^oxymoron.

[Ladygolfer93]

And yet.... we have really respectable data showing countries that did not require people to stay inside their homes actually did better, then we have respectable researchers showing us data of how much WORSE those confined to their homes have done, New York is now blaming the high death toll on those who were confined inside, keeps changing all the time, no wonder people are so frightened, angry, so inhuman to others (beating people in some cities for no masks... ? Yet, masks, in the hands of armatures, we are told by world renown microbiologists, are filled with germs, mishandled, pulled up and down with people contaminating themselves and other more, as well as contaminating items in stores more.... have you seen them hanging from rear view mirrors ? Have to read what microbiologists say about that ? No wonder people are so frightened and all believe their particular education makes them "experts" in this new virus.
Now I have read what breathing in the warm, moist, germ laden air of a mask can do to an individual ! So many on here quote "Fauci" ??? Good grief, this man seems to change his mind at least once a week if not more ! It's almost like a comedy act to see his "expert" TV speeches one after the other, each saying the exact opposite of what he said the week before. I suppose if I say I think a lot of what is advised on this board is really over the top, I'd be stomped to death "figuratively" that is. I have noticed a real nasty trend in people lately. Is is fear ? Lack of reason ? Perfectly nice people turning into nasty people, spying on neighbors and friends, making judgments on them, taking pictures of people having friends over to "turn them in" ? All so sad. So sad !

[billethkid]

And yet.... we have really respectable data showing countries that did not require people to stay inside their homes actually did better, then we have respectable researchers showing us data of how much WORSE those confined to their homes have done, New York is now blaming the high death toll on those who were confined inside, keeps changing all the time, no wonder people are so frightened, angry, so inhuman to others (beating people in some cities for no masks... ? Yet, masks, in the hands of armatures, we are told by world renown microbiologists, are filled with germs, mishandled, pulled up and down with people contaminating themselves and other more, as well as contaminating items in stores more.... have you seen them hanging from rear view mirrors ? Have to read what microbiologists say about that ? No wonder people are so frightened and all believe their particular education makes them "experts" in this new virus.
Now I have read what breathing in the warm, moist, germ laden air of a mask can do to an individual ! So many on here quote "Fauci" ??? Good grief, this man seems to change his mind at least once a week if not more ! It's almost like a comedy act to see his "expert" TV speeches one after the other, each saying the exact opposite of what he said the week before. I suppose if I say I think a lot of what is advised on this board is really over the top, I'd be stomped to death "figuratively" that is. I have noticed a real nasty trend in people lately. Is is fear ? Lack of reason ? Perfectly nice people turning into nasty people, spying on neighbors and friends, making judgments on them, taking pictures of people having friends over to "turn them in" ? All so sad. So sad !

Generalizing condemns the many when what is being discussed are the actions of the few!!!