I’m Over It!

[dsnrbec]

Is anyone else getting tired of being labeled “entitled”? It seems like every time I look at any of the various social media posts, someone is accusing me/us of being entitled. I used to think it was outsiders but Villagers are doing it now, too. Just because someone is choosing to do something you don’t agree with doesn’t make them entitled! For the most part, we are caring, giving folks doing the best we can to make the most of our senior years. It’s a stressful time for all of us and we don’t all agree on every issue but let’s please stop the name calling — especially that particular one.

[manaboutown]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[coffeebean]

Is anyone else getting tired of being labeled “entitled”? It seems like every time I look at any of the various social media posts, someone is accusing me/us of being entitled. I used to think it was outsiders but Villagers are doing it now, too. Just because someone is choosing to do something you don’t agree with doesn’t make them entitled! For the most part, we are caring, giving folks doing the best we can to make the most of our senior years. It’s a stressful time for all of us and we don’t all agree on every issue but let’s please stop the name calling — especially that particular one.

So......what would you like to call those who do not adhere to the guidelines? Think of another word other than "entitled". OK.....GO!!!

[manaboutown]

So......what would you like to call those who do not adhere to the guidelines? Think of another word other than "entitled". OK.....GO!!!

Palatine, privileged, heedless, thoughtless, narcissistic, special, self important, sociopathic, self centered, ...

[DianeM]

Many villagers do have an entitlement issue. Basically why most of the surrounding area despises us. In the current situation many feel the general rules do not apply to them. Stay home is only if they feel like it. They’re sneaking out like children at camp to go make out while counselors are sleeping.

[dewilson58]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:




No butter please.

[nututv]

Better deal with it. The Chicken Little's have been breeding like rabbits for a decade plus. This is what I do, 5 miles out in the gulf, by myself. No other human even in sight including the mainland. No, I'm not staying inside like animal in a zoo.

https://advkayaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/IMG_20171203_114939-768x576.jpg

[Villageswimmer]

Obtuse, cavalier, arrogant, selfish, know it all, superior, unkind...

[Boomer]

Dunning-Kruger Effect?

[dsnrbec]

OK, I get that SOME people are foolishly putting themselves and others at risk but it’s the broad, sweeping generalizations that are getting to me. There are thousands of us here with faults and shortcomings but I would sure hate to be called an alcoholic just because SOME here overdo it. Just tone it down with the name calling and recognize that MANY of us are doing everything we can. It seems to me that the word “entitled” makes the rounds about everyday now (as in “those entitled Villagers”). We’re all under a lot of stress and name calling doesn’t help the situation.

[golfing eagles]

Dunning-Kruger Effect?

Definitely. There are plenty on TOTV that post like they are experts, some even work in the health care field. The problem is that they don't know what they don't know

[jet10s]

Palatine, privileged, heedless, thoughtless, narcissistic, special, self important, sociopathic, self centered, ...
NARCISSISTIC -- for sure -- this group is the it's all about me group

[CoachKandSportsguy]

scientifically, its called dunning kruger effect.

[Velvet]

Well, I can think of many names for that type of behavior - not people - and I think “entitled” is a very, very soft word in the first place.

[mamamia54]

Can’t we stop the name calling. Let’s leave that for the “outsiders”, lol!

[golfing eagles]

scientifically, its called dunning kruger effect.

See posts 9 & 11

[TexaninVA]

Better deal with it. The Chicken Little's have been breeding like rabbits for a decade plus. This is what I do, 5 miles out in the gulf, by myself. No other human even in sight including the mainland. No, I'm not staying inside like animal in a zoo.

https://advkayaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/IMG_20171203_114939-768x576.jpg

Is that kayak shark-resistant?

[manaboutown]

Can’t we stop the name calling. Let’s leave that for the “outsiders”, lol!

Not name calling: describing, identifying, diagnosing...

[TexaninVA]

Is anyone else getting tired of being labeled “entitled”? It seems like every time I look at any of the various social media posts, someone is accusing me/us of being entitled. I used to think it was outsiders but Villagers are doing it now, too. Just because someone is choosing to do something you don’t agree with doesn’t make them entitled! For the most part, we are caring, giving folks doing the best we can to make the most of our senior years. It’s a stressful time for all of us and we don’t all agree on every issue but let’s please stop the name calling — especially that particular one.

Does that mean we're no longer allowed to call entitled seniors entitled?

[manaboutown]

Maybe the PC police will make using the descriptor "entitled" a crime.

[nututv]

Is that kayak shark-resistant?

haha. No, they're welcome to join me anytime and often do. As well as sea turtles, dolphin, sting ray etc. Had a black tip at my 4 o'clock maybe 3 feet away just this past Tuesday evening. They're amazing animals and just beautiful. They are very curious, not aggressive.

[JoMar]

OK, I get that SOME people are foolishly putting themselves and others at risk but it’s the broad, sweeping generalizations that are getting to me. There are thousands of us here with faults and shortcomings but I would sure hate to be called an alcoholic just because SOME here overdo it. Just tone it down with the name calling and recognize that MANY of us are doing everything we can. It seems to me that the word “entitled” makes the rounds about everyday now (as in “those entitled Villagers”). We’re all under a lot of stress and name calling doesn’t help the situation.

It has more to do with the behavior then what's posted on here. As we grow, it will, most likely, get worse. The foursome standing next too each other, the people that can't count in the swimming pools, the battle over TP in the paper isle, the person that crowds you in a check out line because they are in a hurry...lot of examples where people's behavior identifies who they are, so it's not name calling, it's identifying behavior and previous posts have identified alternatives but, it's still the same. Pass the salt :)

[Topspinmo]

So......what would you like to call those who do not adhere to the guidelines? Think of another word other than "entitled". OK.....GO!!!

I’ve got several, But I will reframe myself :shocked: I know I am too.

[Topspinmo]

OK, I get that SOME people are foolishly putting themselves and others at risk but it’s the broad, sweeping generalizations that are getting to me. There are thousands of us here with faults and shortcomings but I would sure hate to be called an alcoholic just because SOME here overdo it. Just tone it down with the name calling and recognize that MANY of us are doing everything we can. It seems to me that the word “entitled” makes the rounds about everyday now (as in “those entitled Villagers”). We’re all under a lot of stress and name calling doesn’t help the situation.


Well, if the shoe fits then? If it don’t, then evident they are not directing to you.

[riley2011]

Selfish!

[CoachKandSportsguy]

See posts 9 & 11

:ohdear: They posted while I was typing. I type and review as my typing skills has deteriorated horribly as I have aged so I didn't see it. :ohdear:

I try not to "pile on" but it was a popular thread at the moment!

sportsguy

[diane reynolds]

OK, I get that SOME people are foolishly putting themselves and others at risk but it’s the broad, sweeping generalizations that are getting to me. There are thousands of us here with faults and shortcomings but I would sure hate to be called an alcoholic just because SOME here overdo it. Just tone it down with the name calling and recognize that MANY of us are doing everything we can. It seems to me that the word “entitled” makes the rounds about everyday now (as in “those entitled Villagers”). We’re all under a lot of stress and name calling doesn’t help the situation.
When I think of myself, I am privileged by skin color ---white, and education, and having great parents. Many times those who are privileged, instead of being grateful for their privilege and giving to those in lesser circumstances, take the leap toward entitlement. Like "I deserve (whatever) because I have worked hard." However, what these folks do not acknowledge is the fact that being a male, white, heterosexual, Christian, tall, well educated has opened doors they knew nothing about.

[jedalton]

So......what would you like to call those who do not adhere to the guidelines? Think of another word other than "entitled". OK.....GO!!!
entitled

[Prince4425]

Uppity!!

[davem4616]

When I think of myself, I am privileged by skin color ---white, and education, and having great parents. Many times those who are privileged, instead of being grateful for their privilege and giving to those in lesser circumstances, take the leap toward entitlement. Like "I deserve (whatever) because I have worked hard." However, what these folks do not acknowledge is the fact that being a male, white, heterosexual, Christian, tall, well educated has opened doors they knew nothing about.



WOW, way to throw the guilt around!!!! Bet you were raised Catholic....:MOJE_whot:

[MandoMan]

Is anyone else getting tired of being labeled “entitled”? It seems like every time I look at any of the various social media posts, someone is accusing me/us of being entitled. I used to think it was outsiders but Villagers are doing it now, too. Just because someone is choosing to do something you don’t agree with doesn’t make them entitled! For the most part, we are caring, giving folks doing the best we can to make the most of our senior years. It’s a stressful time for all of us and we don’t all agree on every issue but let’s please stop the name calling — especially that particular one.

When people call others “entitled” in a pejorative way these days, what they often mean is this: “believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.” The important word here is “inherently.” We all know people who ACT as if doing something is their “God-given right” (“endowed by their creator”), that is, inherent right, a right with which one is born.

But originally, many centuries ago, the word meant one “held the title” to something. If you held the title to a piece of property, you were “entitled.” It was yours by legal right! If someone borrowed money from you and gave you a contract promising to repay you, you were “entitled” to that money.

If you own a home in The Villages, you are legally “entitled” to live there. If you pay your amenities fees, you are “entitled” to do certain things that outsiders are NOT entitled to do, such as use the executive golf courses or swim in the pools. (Apart from the current emergency.) If you pay for special privileges at the country clubs, you are “entitled” to them. If you paid money to the Social Security Administration for decades, you are “entitled” to receive your Social Security check. If you are 65 or older and a U.S. citizen, you are legally “entitled” to receive Medicare. If you put aside money in your retirement fund for decades, you are “entitled” to spend that money after you retire. It is your legal right.

Social Security and Medicare, and also other programs like Medicaid, and welfare payments of various kinds, are classified by the government as “entitlements” because if one meets the requirements, one has the legal right to receive them, and the government has the legal responsibility to pay them. Some of these entitlements are partly covered by what one has contributed, and some are not—they are gifts, but gifts to which people are “entitled” by law.

So yes, if you live in The Villages and own your home and pay your dues (that is, what is DUE to someone if you want to enjoy that to which you are entitled), then you ARE “entitled.” You are ENTITLED to it, in the good sense of the word, and you are free to enjoy it without guilt. Likewise, people on welfare are also “entitled,” because they are legally “entitled” to the services and payments they receive.

You DESERVE the treatment to which you are “entitled”. Name it and claim it! Just don’t prance around acting as if you are INHERENTLY “entitled” to special treatment. That offends almost everyone. With “entitlements” come duties. Wealthy people who come from old money (few if any in The Villages) are taught from childhood that quiet politeness, courtesy, grace, cordiality, modesty, kindness, respect, are what one gives or shows to avoid being called “entitled” in the bad sense of the term.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

When people call others “entitled” in a pejorative way these days. . .

Just don’t prance around acting as if you are INHERENTLY “entitled” to special treatment. That offends almost everyone. With “entitlements” come duties. Wealthy people who come from old money (few if any in The Villages) are taught from childhood that quiet politeness, courtesy, grace, cordiality, modesty, kindness, respect, are what one gives or shows to avoid being called “entitled” in the bad sense of the term.

Well written!

sportsguy

[graciegirl]

entitled

I think the OP is hurt and angered as many are at the unfair taunts on social media about all villagers by some of those who live close by. It is hard not to be hurt and angered. In fact most of us are at least annoyed.

We have to try to remember that the ones taunting are few and the ones deserving criticism are few.

And the ones taunting are envious and think of us as privileged. Worse yet some think we don't deserve to live here and that our ability to live in The Villages just "fell on us". We know better. One of the reasons I love this place is because most of us got here by living and working for many decades and saving our money and many sacrificed many instant gratifications and luxuries in our lifetime to be able to retire to Florida and live here where there is an added amenity fee. We sidestepped many pitfalls because we were careful and frugal. No matter how little we made, we didn't live paycheck to paycheck, didn't waste money, didn't get the latest phone, expensive tattoos, or ate out every night. Some of us, after reusing our clothes, mending what was broken and being fiscally conservative, day after day, year after year became people with more money than they started out with. Most of us didn't steal, trick, scam or cheat to have a little or quite a bit extra in our old age.

We all know we are entitled to nothing and if we lost most of it, we know how to live without much. We did it before. We also know that the real value in life rests in those who we love and who love us.

[Tankerrich]

I think the OP is hurt and angered as many are at the unfair taunts on social media about all villagers by some of those who live close by. It is hard not to be hurt and angered. In fact most of us are at least annoyed.

We have to try to remember that the ones taunting are few and the ones deserving criticism are few.

And the ones taunting are envious and think of us as privileged. Worse yet some think we don't deserve to live here and that our ability to live in The Villages just "fell on us". We know better. One of the reasons I love this place is because most of us got here by living and working for many decades and saving our money and many sacrificed many instant gratifications and luxuries in our lifetime to be able to retire to Florida and live here where there is an added amenity fee. We sidestepped many pitfalls because we were careful and frugal. No matter how little we made, we didn't live paycheck to paycheck, didn't waste money, didn't get the latest phone, expensive tattoos, or ate out every night. Some of us, after reusing our clothes, mending what was broken and being fiscally conservative, day after day, year after year became people with more money than they started out with. Most of us didn't steal, trick, scam or cheat to have a little or quite a bit extra in our old age.

We all know we are entitled to nothing and if we lost most of it, we know how to live without much. We did it before. We also know that the real value in life rests in those who we love and who love us.
Post #33
Excellent statement!!!!!!!

[chipd331]

I'm in NH. Did not make it to TV's this year
We have been under a state authorised quarantine for over two weeks now
not sure what people are doing, that you are all talking about but it doesn't mean you can't leave your home
if i were in FL i would be going for walks every day.
We go to the store and shop for food (being very careful to sanitize cart handle and staying a safe distance from others, that's it
Keep a bottle of sanitizer in your car, clean up after every visit to store.
CV19 can live up to 5 days on door handles and glass
That should be about it, maybe a car drive or a golf cart drive.
if people are gathering with friends, small groups etc. their crazy this stuff spreads like wildfire
People should be taking this very seriously
stay safe.

[Nick B]

Jackass?

[bmit16]

Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. Mama said. Perhaps it is not the entitled but the people with the thin skin in this world who let everything bother them. She also said, mind your own business and you will be to busy to worry about everybody else's business. Both are great rules to practice in this time of retro living.

[SacDQ]

I believe most of us worked hard over the last fifty years. Put our children through college, saved and invested four the future. If that makes me entitled then I’m proud to embrace that banner.
😎

[Jannygirl]

I don’t know where you live, but in the village I live in I haven’t met any entitled, narcissistic, selfish, hmm what other hateful words were thrown out there. I’ve met helpful, caring, and friendly people. We all come from different states, we leave our families and friends, and after working and saving for 40 years we come to this beautiful place and form new friendships. No one gives us a house, this wasn’t a free ride. So until you can name these entitled people—just stop!! We have more important things to worry about

[Lisa C]

Good morning. First let me just say that as an "outsider" (I don't live in the villages) I am truly sorry for ANY negative comments made about Villagers. Sure, there are always a few bad apples in every group, but on the whole, my experience has been extremely positive.
I own and work alone in a one chair beauty salon in Wildwood (my only source of income) and 95% of my clients live in the villages. As of midnight last night my door is closed for 30 days. I am extremely anxious to think what will happen to me and my son this month. With that said, I worked 13 hours straight yesterday to try and stockpile a little extra cash. The clients I saw yesterday (mostly villagers) were SO kind and generous. My clients are some of the most wonderful people I have EVER met. Their kindness and generosity makes my heart smile. I am TRULY blessed to work where I do and to have met the villagers I know. They are not only my clients, but my FRIENDS as well. Have a super terrific day!!!

[alan5676]

Carefree

[BlackhawksFan]

You really don't get why you're labeled entitled? Just go for a ride and look around. Take a good hard look.

I see people not giving a s #^& about the guidelines trying to keep us all safe. Sure golf courses are open but I'm seeing two to a cart sitting on top of each other. I drove through Sumter Landing earlier this week and there were nearly 20 people under the canopies at the top of the boardwalk all close together another half dozen or so sitting within a foot or so of each other by the radio station.

Then I looked to the square where there were several groups congregating and having a good old time. Some were even using the plastic chairs set out by The Villages. You do know the virus lives on plastic and metal right?

Then as I drove up past Red Sauce and City Fire there was a group of four tailgating, tables, chairs a little wine and cheese party.

This is why the the entitled label is thrown around because many feel the rules do not apply to them. The longer people keep doing this and creating potential exposures to the virus the longer we will be in this situation.

I'm not thrilled about being at home all the time but I'm trying to do my part. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

[PaulUnderwood]

Why not pick up the BIBLE and read Romans 1: 18-32

[DecaturFargo]

People are called entitled, when they intentionally break rules and think thecrules apply to everyone but them.

[Klatu]

One point is particularly relevant: most folks are following the guidance but some are not. We see the ones who are not, but we do not see the greater number of folks who ARE following the guidelines...they are INSIDE or in their own yards. And let's face it, in any group, there are some who follow the guidelines like mature adults, being considerate of others, and there are those who never escaped the middle school fixation on self. Such is it now, such it has always been.

[luis s]

Yes entitled is a great word for the Villagers. They also dont care about playing with peaoples lives or theirs. Why would i have a service call at this time because my light is out in my refrigerator or in my microwave or my ref. is making noise, my dishwasher does not clean properly. Really so that is worth having a tech out to your home that has been to maybe 10 other homes oh yes they are taking protective steps like they wear gloves it might be tha same gloves they have been wearing for the entire day because their company is not supplying them. Wake up and get a Life...

[stan the man]

be careful it is possible to overdose on Kool-aid. Results are tunnel vision

[riamd1954]

Stop this already ate you in grade school?!!

[dmarti1973]

I actually laughed when reading the initial post and then the comments. Who needs any other entertainment??

[msilagy]

If you act like an entitled person - guess what - you are an entitled person. This virus is serious - people are dying and fighting for their lives - healthcare workers putting their lives on the line - while SOME villagers partying at the square - worrying about playing golf and if their amenity fees should be reduced. What does that sound like when they should be self isolating and practicing social distancing! Sounds like YOU may be one even making the statements you did.

[cwwilber@gmail.com]

You've got to be kidding me.

[graciegirl]

Yes entitled is a great word for the Villagers. They also dont care about playing with peaoples lives or theirs. Why would i have a service call at this time because my light is out in my refrigerator or in my microwave or my ref. is making noise, my dishwasher does not clean properly. Really so that is worth having a tech out to your home that has been to maybe 10 other homes oh yes they are taking protective steps like they wear gloves it might be tha same gloves they have been wearing for the entire day because their company is not supplying them. Wake up and get a Life...

Luis? Are you angry at all of us? I doubt few are calling your company to have their refrigerator lights replaced yesterday or today. If you are still being called by the owner of your company to do these things and you feel you are endangering others or being endangered, I am sure you can choose to refuse to go. Me and mine know how to fix lights in our refrigerator or know to do without in a pandemic. Most of us don't deserve for you to say to us, "Wake up and get a life". I think you are just scared like we all are.

[soniak4@gmail.com]

If you are not guilty, move on. Why worry about it?? If you behave in a way that shows you are not more important than anyone else, ignore the comments. I have seen this behavior from many residents of The Villages. I have seen people cut in lines, cut off drivers, treat people rudely because they cannot do what they want to do, abuse amenities, disregard guidelines and rules, and I can go on and on. I know I don’t do any of those things so, calling me any of those names, does not bother me because I know who I am. But, you cannot disagree that there are more entitled people living here than we all like. If I am guilty of being entitled, I always tell the people with whom I associate most to call me on it. If and when they do, I apologize and change my behavior. I appreciate everything The Villages has to offer and feel blessed that I am able to live here. So again, if you behave well, move on and continue and maybe more people will model your behavior.

[crc19188]

Lets play a game. All that call each other names pick up a rock. Go in front of a mirror. Now look in the mirror and throw the rock. What happened. Those that think they live in a glass house should not throw rocks. Speak nicely of your brother and sister for what you say about them you say about my Father in Heaven. In these tough times please show the compassion That Christ did to all those that crossed his path. Remember Easter is coming and the most glorious day ever. He rose from the dead after dying for all of our sins and still asking GOD to forgive us. AMEN

[graciegirl]

If you are not guilty, move on. Why worry about it?? If you behave in a way that shows you are not more important than anyone else, ignore the comments. I have seen this behavior from many residents of The Villages. I have seen people cut in lines, cut off drivers, treat people rudely because they cannot do what they want to do, abuse amenities, disregard guidelines and rules, and I can go on and on. I know I don’t do any of those things so, calling me any of those names, does not bother me because I know who I am. But, you cannot disagree that there are more entitled people living here than we all like. If I am guilty of being entitled, I always tell the people with whom I associate most to call me on it. If and when they do, I apologize and change my behavior. I appreciate everything The Villages has to offer and feel blessed that I am able to live here. So again, if you behave well, move on and continue and maybe more people will model your behavior.

I was born and will die wondering WHY people do the things they do and say the things they say. Certainly the patient ones, the forgiving ones, the responsible ones, are considered, by some to be more valuable. But what if we are born with more or less empathy, more or less feelings for others, more or less intelligence, more or less "common sense"? I think there is more to that theory than we thought before. I don't throw out free choice, but we all weren't dealt the same hand. As I age, I become more progressive AND more traditional in my thoughts. I have lived long enough to see children grow up and even with the best parents, go through life making one foolish decision after the other. I have watched children I taught who had every reason to fail in life, become remarkable successes. I watched my own kids emerge from birth with a personality they have kept for fifty years. It is always interesting to me, why people are the way they are. I am still glad I smacked my kids when they needed it. But I wonder just how much difference it made. They may have just got all the genetic good stuff from their dad and that is why they are good people.

[Ray Gilbert]

Just off the cuff...does anyone know if there is a website that discloses the addresses of those unfortunate folks who had had the virus, or better yet, those who currently have it. I'm sure that would reduce walking, biking, and golf cart traffic in those areas. It would be nice to know where not to go, now that the Covid-19 virus is believed to be airborne.

[dunmyer]

So......what would you like to call those who do not adhere to the guidelines? Think of another word other than "entitled". OK.....GO!!!

What exactly are the guidelines? Aren’t they stay 6 feet away from someone else, wash your hands.

[chvlt57]

When I consider the restrictions being put on our lives I immediately think of "The Greatest Generation" who suffered through food rationing, limited gas supplies, growing Victory gardens to feed their families, hardships that lasted more than 30 days. Did they feel put out by their plight or did they realize how small their sacrifice was compared to tens of thousands dying around the world.

[nututv]

I am privileged by skin color ---white, and education....

haha Now that's sad.

[PugMom]

pardon me for saying, but this is a very low-quality thread. all bickering, bored, locked-up-in-the-house blues:faint:

[mtlee024]

You go, I agree with you. Let people be people.

[LI SNOWBIRD]

Dunning-Kruger Effect?

Your use of the Dunning-Kruger Effect caused me to look it up. I now learned something.

[manaboutown]

You really don't get why you're labeled entitled? Just go for a ride and look around. Take a good hard look.

I see people not giving a s #^& about the guidelines trying to keep us all safe. Sure golf courses are open but I'm seeing two to a cart sitting on top of each other. I drove through Sumter Landing earlier this week and there were nearly 20 people under the canopies at the top of the boardwalk all close together another half dozen or so sitting within a foot or so of each other by the radio station.

Then I looked to the square were there were several groups congregating and having a good old time. Some were even using the plastic chairs set out by The Villages. You do know the virus lives on plastic and metal right?

Then as I drove up past Red Sauce and City Fire there was a group of four tailgating, tables, chairs a little wine and cheese party.

This is why the the entitled label is thrown around because many feel the rules do not apply to them. The longer people keep doing this and creating potential exposures to the virus the longer we will be in this situation.

I'm not thrilled about being at home all the time but I'm trying to do my part. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

Well said! Thank you for presenting your observations of noncompliant thoughtless behavior by "the entitled" that ultimately puts others at risk.

[tomhinz]

What is with these people who cannot or will not obey the rules to protect everyone?

[Eg_cruz]

I think it is because things like the block parties all week last week, the on going pickle ball games, the gathering of 15 golfers standing in front of Lopez, the tennis ladies gathering everyday, the way they just walk of the curb without looking and the attitude that they forget that they once worked for a living.....is where the “entitlement” comments come from. Don’t get me wrong there are wonderful giving people here some of the best people I have ever met......it like too much salt in the stew where you just can’t get passed the taste to eat the pot of stew.

[Boomer]

wow

When I posted early in this thread, saying, “Dunning-Kruger Effect,” I thought the OP was talking about those people who refuse to stay put during these surreal times. Their behavior creeps me out.

Also creeping me out is the thinking of some who believe they are “entitled” to know the home addresses of Villagers who have the virus.

I wish I had never looked at this thread.

[woodywdmt]

Just ignore it. the term is not accurate and is not worthy of concern. you know what they say about opinions.

[nututv]

does anyone know if there is a website that discloses the addresses of those unfortunate folks who had had the virus, or better yet, those who currently have it.

Surely you aren't serious? You are aren't you.

[ffresh]

So......what would you like to call those who do not adhere to the guidelines? Think of another word other than "entitled". OK.....GO!!!

RIGHT or WRONG:

Free thinkers, non lemmings, lacking in herd mentality, those who think for themselves … regardless of what anyone else thinks, free men, and (drum roll, please) people who have to venture out to earn a living/keep their businesses viable, in spite of edicts issued by politicians who occasionally might have the publics' interest in mind if it corresponds with "the agenda". Everyone else can just stay six feet away from them and "wash your hands" :a040:

Malibu paddleboarder arrested for violating stay-at-home order | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/us/malibu-paddleboarder-arrested-for-violating-stay-at-home-order)

Fred :duck:

[sk450]

You people are like a pack of jackals turning on them self. You can't fix stupid

[ffresh]

When I think of myself, I am privileged by skin color ---white, and education, and having great parents. Many times those who are privileged, instead of being grateful for their privilege and giving to those in lesser circumstances, take the leap toward entitlement. Like "I deserve (whatever) because I have worked hard." However, what these folks do not acknowledge is the fact that being a male, white, heterosexual, Christian, tall, well educated has opened doors they knew nothing about.

Sorry but being a male, white, heterosexual, Christian, is more likely to get one persecuted these days than "open doors" that you speak of. And, to add salt to the wound, most of those doors have been "constructed" by the very ones who are now being "shut out" Not sure how "tall" opens any doors unless the door handle is near the top of the door :icon_wink:

Fred

[Rosie1950]

Yes entitled is a great word for the Villagers. They also dont care about playing with peaoples lives or theirs. Why would i have a service call at this time because my light is out in my refrigerator or in my microwave or my ref. is making noise, my dishwasher does not clean properly. Really so that is worth having a tech out to your home that has been to maybe 10 other homes oh yes they are taking protective steps like they wear gloves it might be tha same gloves they have been wearing for the entire day because their company is not supplying them. Wake up and get a Life...

Totally agree. Yesterday I didn’t like the way my dishwasher cleaned the load. Got on my hands and knees with the light from my cellphone started looking around. The bottom of the dishwasher to say the least didn’t look so good SO I googled how to clean the model I have.
FOUND IT. step by step gotta say disgusting job (NEVER owned a dishwasher before) cleaning it and disinfecting it took longer than taking it apart and putting it together.
Most of these jobs can be competed with a little research, don’t even need any know how
Just saying, better than having outsiders in house right now

[graciegirl]

wow

When I posted early in this thread, saying, “Dunning-Kruger Effect,” I thought the OP was talking about those people who refuse to stay put during these surreal times. Their behavior creeps me out.

Also creeping me out is the thinking of some who believe they are “entitled” to know the home addresses of Villagers who have the virus.

I wish I had never looked at this thread.

Many would think as I did, that the poster was wondering if the person who got sick lived on his street or the one over and wondered if he or his wife might have been exposed before we all knew what we know now. People are worried. I don't think the OP was wondering where the case was out of meanness, or pointing the person out like they were a "leper" but just wondering if they came to his woodworking shop or his wife's painting class. People are scared and this is just part of it. Wondering when it will happen to us or our near neighbors and friends. Boomer I know you value anonymity but many of us are not afraid to say who they are. If we got it, I would tell I had it and where I lived. Just out of information and kindness.

[rlcooper70]

I love you Plato quote ... as long as we recall that most of what Plato wrote was the words of his mentor, Socrates. Even his "Republic" is a rendition of conversations Socrates was having with his students .. Glaucoma and someone else. Take another look at the Allegory of the Cave (Plato's Republic ... Socrates conversation).

[rlcooper70]

IF you do not want to label people who are congregating without regard for spreading the virus .. the same people who forced the closure of the pools ... do you want to just assume they are "low IQ" people who believe the president? What's wrong with "entitled" or "inconsiderate" ... seems pretty polite to me.

[ffresh]

When people call others “entitled” in a pejorative way these days, what they often mean is this: “believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.” The important word here is “inherently.” We all know people who ACT as if doing something is their “God-given right” (“endowed by their creator”), that is, inherent right, a right with which one is born.

But originally, many centuries ago, the word meant one “held the title” to something. If you held the title to a piece of property, you were “entitled.” It was yours by legal right! If someone borrowed money from you and gave you a contract promising to repay you, you were “entitled” to that money.

If you own a home in The Villages, you are legally “entitled” to live there. If you pay your amenities fees, you are “entitled” to do certain things that outsiders are NOT entitled to do, such as use the executive golf courses or swim in the pools. (Apart from the current emergency.) If you pay for special privileges at the country clubs, you are “entitled” to them. If you paid money to the Social Security Administration for decades, you are “entitled” to receive your Social Security check. If you are 65 or older and a U.S. citizen, you are legally “entitled” to receive Medicare. If you put aside money in your retirement fund for decades, you are “entitled” to spend that money after you retire. It is your legal right.

Social Security and Medicare, and also other programs like Medicaid, and welfare payments of various kinds, are classified by the government as “entitlements” because if one meets the requirements, one has the legal right to receive them, and the government has the legal responsibility to pay them. Some of these entitlements are partly covered by what one has contributed, and some are not—they are gifts, but gifts to which people are “entitled” by law.

So yes, if you live in The Villages and own your home and pay your dues (that is, what is DUE to someone if you want to enjoy that to which you are entitled), then you ARE “entitled.” You are ENTITLED to it, in the good sense of the word, and you are free to enjoy it without guilt. Likewise, people on welfare are also “entitled,” because they are legally “entitled” to the services and payments they receive.

You DESERVE the treatment to which you are “entitled”. Name it and claim it! Just don’t prance around acting as if you are INHERENTLY “entitled” to special treatment. That offends almost everyone. With “entitlements” come duties. Wealthy people who come from old money (few if any in The Villages) are taught from childhood that quiet politeness, courtesy, grace, cordiality, modesty, kindness, respect, are what one gives or shows to avoid being called “entitled” in the bad sense of the term.

You had me all the way, TRULY, and I was ready to compliment you on an informative post (most of it still is :icon_wink: ) until you wrote the following:

Social Security and Medicare, and also other programs like Medicaid, and welfare payments of various kinds, are classified by the government as “entitlements” because if one meets the requirements, one has the legal right to receive them, and the government has the legal responsibility to pay them. Some of these entitlements are partly covered by what one has contributed, and some are not—they are gifts, but gifts to which people are “entitled” by law.

Many Americans (I limit it to Americans because our form of government is a Constitutional Republic and not a European "Social Democracy"), I believe, feel that helping those in need should be (as it once was) a function of charitable organizations, not a function of government. We all know this is fodder for a different discussion BUT, being entitled to monies from the public treasury, solely because one belongs to a certain class or socio-economic group is "quite a stretch" … except in the mind of a politician. The other programs you mention are "entitlements" due to the contributions of the entitled individuals. "Gifts", being considered as entitlements, is, once again, "quite a stretch."

ENTITLED | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary
ENTITLED | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/entitled)
entitled meaning: 1. feeling that you have the right to do or have what you want without having to work for it or….

Fred

[Boomer]

Many would think as I did, that the poster was wondering if the person who got sick lived on his street or the one over and wondered if he or his wife might have been exposed before we all knew what we know now. People are worried. I don't think the OP was wondering where the case was out of meanness, or pointing the person out like they were a "leper" but just wondering if they came to his woodworking shop or his wife's painting class. People are scared and this is just part of it. Wondering when it will happen to us or our near neighbors and friends. Boomer I know you value anonymity but many of us are not afraid to say who they are. If we got it, I would tell I had it and where I lived. Just out of information and kindness.

But, Gracie, that would be your choice — like Chris Cuomo broadcasting from quarantine in his basement and sharing his experience with anybody who wants to watch.

He is in the position to reach a lot of people to give more information in hope of getting the attention of those who think it cannot happen to them or if it does it will be no big deal.

His symptoms are hellish, even though he is relatively young and healthy.

You state you would be very open, too, motivated to respond by going public, to be kind as a benefit to others, and with an attempt to educate. Like I said — your choice.

I think anyone diagnosed has the choice as an individual as to whether to go public or not. BUT that is very different from expecting home addresses to be published for everyone to see. Not everyone would be kind in their attitudes toward the sick. It could get so intrusive and the fallout could grow arms and legs — the spectrum of human nature being what it is.

Back in Ohio, some areas are publishing by zip code, with the names of the suburbs, but that’s it. I have no problem with that generalized info. But for an outside source to publish someone’s actual address is just plain wrong.

The right to choose to be public or private is built in to our wiring. I am certainly not a hermit, nor am I an introvert. But like most posters on TOTV, I do prefer to remain private about who I really am.

I am not remaining private so that I can be mean. Sometimes I can get a little sassy, but that is rare, and pretty gentle. It is usually because I think someone is being condescending or getting caught up in that “Us vs. Them” mentality that is so destructive and is permeating our country. But I would likely sass that person face-to-face, too, and/or choose not be around them.

Oh well, I gotta be me and you gotta be you.

Stay well and sensible please — all of you.

Sincerely,
Boomer

[TexaninVA]

WOW, way to throw the guilt around!!!! Bet you were raised Catholic....:MOJE_whot:

I can relate to that! :thumbup:

[jet10s]

It has more to do with the behavior then what's posted on here. As we grow, it will, most likely, get worse. The foursome standing next too each other, the people that can't count in the swimming pools, the battle over TP in the paper isle, the person that crowds you in a check out line because they are in a hurry...lot of examples where people's behavior identifies who they are, so it's not name calling, it's identifying behavior and previous posts have identified alternatives but, it's still the same. Pass the salt :)
Yes -- if the shoe fits wear it

[cvmredbarn]

You are entitled to your own opinions

[coffeebean]

What exactly are the guidelines? Aren’t they stay 6 feet away from someone else, wash your hands.

Also.....do NOT touch your face with unwashed hands. I have seen some folks who can not count off 6 feet to save their lives. I had one guy come up behind me and brush my arm with his arm. What the hell?????

[DONS999]

First it was cover your mouth when you cough , then it was 3ft social separation , now it is 6 ft. So if the guide lines are always moving how serious are they. Today the media started to quote some doctor who said 26ft could be the right distance .

The Daily Sun averages about 90 to 110 Obituaries a month so let us say 1400 people a year or 1.2% of the population and that is accepted without a shutdown of your town .

All you snowflake old ladies amaze me , The great community and people I have been around over the last 5 years must have all vanished .

Now I truly understand the group think that gave us the Germany and Italy of WWII and the great China Red March of Mao and so many more.

Have a Happy Easter at our churches next week
:pray:

[pcacace]

Non follower!

[pcacace]

Non-abider! If that is such a word.

[ffresh]

First it was cover your mouth when you cough , then it was 3ft social separation , now it is 6 ft. So if the guide lines are always moving how serious are they. Today the media started to quote some doctor who said 26ft could be the right distance .

The Daily Sun averages about 90 to 110 Obituaries a month so let us say 1400 people a year or 1.2% of the population and that is accepted without a shutdown of your town .

All you snowflake old ladies amaze me , The great community and people I have been around over the last 5 years must have all vanished .

Now I truly understand the group think that gave us the Germany and Italy of WWII and the great China Red March of Mao and so many more.

Have a Happy Easter at our churches next week
:pray:

WELL SPOKEN :clap2:

Fred

[vayssie1]

I believe when I say it about us Villagers, it is because we don’t think we have to do what is asked or required. Especially regarding social distancing. Hence no pools, pickleball, tennis etc any outdoor activities. If we don’t watch ourselves at golf that will close down too. Be careful, safe and considerate.

[davidkath]

Exactly right

[LI SNOWBIRD]

I believe most of us worked hard over the last fifty years. Put our children through college, saved and invested four the future. If that makes me entitled then I’m proud to embrace that banner.
😎
I agree-- my wife and I are both the children of the children of the great depression . We inherited "Waste not want not", Save for a rainy day, "Keep the wolf from the door" mentality. I do think some of our frugalness has been passed to our children.

[Kayakguy]

Better deal with it. The Chicken Little's have been breeding like rabbits for a decade plus. This is what I do, 5 miles out in the gulf, by myself. No other human even in sight including the mainland. No, I'm not staying inside like animal in a zoo.

https://advkayaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/IMG_20171203_114939-768x576.jpg

Yes! That's great! I'm a kayaker. Built Pygmy Boat Company's 17' Arctic Tern and paddled it and camped in NY's Adirondacks, Florida and the Canadian Maritimes.

[Velvet]

What a beautiful kayak!

[Northwoods]

Many villagers do have an entitlement issue. Basically why most of the surrounding area despises us. In the current situation many feel the general rules do not apply to them. Stay home is only if they feel like it. They’re sneaking out like children at camp to go make out while counselors are sleeping.

I don't think it's many. I agree some Villagers have an entitlement issue, but I think most Villagers do the right thing and are considerate of others.

[manaboutown]

I don't think it's many. I agree some Villagers have an entitlement issue, but I think most Villagers do the right thing and are considerate of others.

It is enough to cause more illnesses and probably deaths had they not been "entitled" to ignore social distancing. It only takes a few noncompliant selfish idiots to drag this all out.

[Fredster]

It is enough to cause more illnesses and probably deaths had they not been "entitled" to ignore social distancing. It only takes a few noncompliant selfish idiots to drag this all out.

If it’s only a few maybe you could go out and do some citizen arrests, rather than just continuing to complain here!

[Fredster]

I don't think it's many. I agree some Villagers have an entitlement issue, but I think most Villagers do the right thing and are considerate of others.

I totally agree! :bigbow:

[Challenger]

I totally agree! :bigbow:

A .999 batting average isn't the winner -if you are a Gladiator, or if someone carelessly acts in spreading the Virus.

[Fishers2tall]

I think the OP is hurt and angered as many are at the unfair taunts on social media about all villagers by some of those who live close by. It is hard not to be hurt and angered. In fact most of us are at least annoyed.

We have to try to remember that the ones taunting are few and the ones deserving criticism are few.

And the ones taunting are envious and think of us as privileged. Worse yet some think we don't deserve to live here and that our ability to live in The Villages just "fell on us". We know better. One of the reasons I love this place is because most of us got here by living and working for many decades and saving our money and many sacrificed many instant gratifications and luxuries in our lifetime to be able to retire to Florida and live here where there is an added amenity fee. We sidestepped many pitfalls because we were careful and frugal. No matter how little we made, we didn't live paycheck to paycheck, didn't waste money, didn't get the latest phone, expensive tattoos, or ate out every night. Some of us, after reusing our clothes, mending what was broken and being fiscally conservative, day after day, year after year became people with more money than they started out with. Most of us didn't steal, trick, scam or cheat to have a little or quite a bit extra in our old age.

We all know we are entitled to nothing and if we lost most of it, we know how to live without much. We did it before. We also know that the real value in life rests in those who we love and who love us.

What a well written post! I couldn’t agree more! :bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[Veiragirl]

amen. when you have 5 year olds with cell phones ,i pads, 1000.00 birthday parties, play dates, helicopter parents etc. what do you expect. Go out (after the virus) and climb a tree, ride their bikes and basically act like kids. No wonder they grow up feeling entitled.

[nututv]

Yes! That's great! I'm a kayaker. Built Pygmy Boat Company's 17' Arctic Tern and paddled it and camped in NY's Adirondacks, Florida and the Canadian Maritimes.
If you still paddle maybe we can get out sometime.

[nututv]

What a beautiful kayak!
Thank you, I have 4 of them if you ever want to head out.
https://advkayaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/rene-1-1024x764.jpg

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