Coronavirus spreads through breathing/talking

[GoodLife]

Experts tell White House virus can spread through talking or even just breathing

(CNN)A prestigious scientific panel told the White House Wednesday night that research shows coronavirus can be spread not just by sneezes or coughs, but also just by talking, or possibly even just breathing.

"While the current [coronavirus] specific research is limited, the results of available studies are consistent with aerosolization of virus from normal breathing," according to the letter, written by Dr. Harvey Fineberg, chairman of a committee with the National Academy of Sciences.

Fineberg told CNN that he will wear start wearing a mask when he goes to the grocery store.

Coronavirus can spread through talking or breathing, prestigious panel tells White House - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/aerosol-coronavirus-spread-white-house-letter/index.html)

Based on what I have seen of villagers ignoring guidelines, I predict more than 1000 cases confirmed here sometime in April. White House will probably recommend some kind of mask when going out to shop etc. I agree, this stuff is more contagious than thought.

White House task force could soon recommend Americans wear masks - CNNPolitics (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/politics/trump-coronavirus-masks/index.html)

[Number 10 GI]

Air has to flow through the filter material of the mask otherwise you will suffocate. If air passes though so will the virus.

[billethkid]

The mask requirement is long overdue.
All the information/data form Korea, Japan and China indicate masks are a significant contributor to flattening their curves.

The notion here in the USA that they are needed for the public to conserve supplies for the medical was/is not very good planning.

The companies that produce or are capable of producing should have been ordered to ramp up production for the inevitable call for masks.

[GoodLife]

Air has to flow through the filter material of the mask otherwise you will suffocate. If air passes though so will the virus.

Right..thats why Doctors and nurses are using them, cuz they don't work.

Even a simple bandanna can help stop you from spreading or catching the virus.

[Number 10 GI]

Right..thats why Doctors and nurses are using them, cuz they don't work.

Even a simple bandanna can help stop you from spreading or catching the virus.

Doctors and nurses are still getting sick so apparently masks don't work all that well.

[eremite06]

Droplets in the air.

[billethkid]

Doctors and nurses are still getting sick so apparently masks don't work all that well.

More the exposure to concentration of dense virus contaminants
in everything they come in contact with all day long.

[TexaninVA]

Doctors and nurses are still getting sick so apparently masks don't work all that well.

It probably helps but the reality is there's not too much in this world that's 100% except for the two things we all already know about.

[asianthree]

Right..thats why Doctors and nurses are using them, cuz they don't work.

Even a simple bandanna can help stop you from spreading or catching the virus.

Unless mask is a 95, anything else is false hope. The amount of staff that is become ill, is ongoing. Using their 95s more than one day is becoming common, to try to keep safe.

[Velvet]

Just wondering, what don’t I understand about the death rate? Worldwide from Worldometer 56987 died from this virus and 226000 recovered. That to me is 1 person died for every 4 who recovered, that includes all ages, every person in the world. This is more than 25% so how do they come up with a 4% etc death rate?

[dewilson58]

Just wondering, what don’t I understand about the death rate? Worldwide from Worldometer 56987 died from this virus and 226000 recovered. That to me is 1 person died for every 4 who recovered, that includes all ages, every person in the world. This is more than 25% so how do they come up with a 4% etc death rate?




using your numbers.........it's 20%, not 25%.


the 4% comes from total cases since 80% are mild cases


:ho:

[Velvet]

And mild cases are not considered recovered cases? Not arguing just trying to understand. These are cases with ‘outcomes’ so maybe the mild cases are not included, and you are right 20%.

[dewilson58]

And mild cases are not considered recovered cases? Not arguing just trying to understand.


"They" determined a case is mild and will recover with high probability.




:shrug:

[blueash]

Sorry, but it is not some kind of statistical manipulation by scientists trying to fool you. There is an additional number that you didn't present. There are three categories. One is death, two is recovered meaning you are completely well, and third which is the largest group is still ill. That third group can go either way, die or get better. On the Johns Hopkins dashboard at this moment:

Total cases abt 1,100,000
Deaths 59,000
Recovered 225,000

Not shown is that third group, still being observed which would be abt 816,000.

The overall death rate is 59000/1100000 = .0536 or 5.36%

[GoodLife]

Sorry, but it is not some kind of statistical manipulation by scientists trying to fool you. There is an additional number that you didn't present. There are three categories. One is death, two is recovered meaning you are completely well, and third which is the largest group is still ill. That third group can go either way, die or get better. On the Johns Hopkins dashboard at this moment:

Total cases abt 1,100,000
Deaths 59,000
Recovered 225,000

Not shown is that third group, still being observed which would be abt 816,000.

The overall death rate is 59000/1100000 = .0536 or 5.36%

You forgot about the 4th category, asymptomatic cases that are never diagnosed or counted. People that catch it, have no symptoms, don't get sick, are never counted. Estimates of this number are 10 times documented cases, which drops your death rate to .5%

[dewilson58]

Sorry, but it is not some kind of statistical manipulation by scientists trying to fool you. There is an additional number that you didn't present. There are three categories. One is death, two is recovered meaning you are completely well, and third which is the largest group is still ill. That third group can go either way, die or get better. On the Johns Hopkins dashboard at this moment:

Total cases abt 1,100,000
Deaths 59,000
Recovered 225,000

Not shown is that third group, still being observed which would be abt 816,000.

The overall death rate is 59000/1100000 = .0536 or 5.36%




The information is out there........40k critical/serious & 775k mild conditions

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And mild cases are not considered recovered cases? Not arguing just trying to understand. These are cases with ‘outcomes’ so maybe the mild cases are not included, and you are right 20%.

You're missing a key component: "people who are currently sick, who don't qualify as recovered since they're still sick - and don't qualify as dead, since they're still alive."

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You forgot about the 4th category, asymptomatic cases that are never diagnosed or counted. People that catch it, have no symptoms, don't get sick, are never counted. Estimates of this number are 10 times documented cases, which drops your death rate to .5%

That category is not included in the 4% or the 20%. Blueash's response was to the query regarding those specific percentage points - as in "why are people referring to these percentages?"

That 4th category can't count in those numbers, because that 4th category is an unknown factor. Estimates of that number can be 10x documented cases. It could be 500x documented cases. It could be half the amount of documented cases. Estimates mean zilch when it comes to unknown factors.

Then - there are the people who are sick - but don't have symptoms YET. That's a whole other ball of wax and again - they would not be counted in the current "what's the death rate?" query.

[Velvet]

Thank you for explaining. Perhaps it’s stress but I had trouble figuring out the different stats around this virus. I have no good excuse I’m usually good with numbers.

[eyc234]

Okay, so I buy the numbers that come from a lot of countries as being semi-correct but they give numbers for the world and it is so sketchy it is not about to get a grade of C-. So how do you get anything close to a good count when most countries can not even tell you how may people live in the country? Not denying it is bad but do numbers really matter? Testing and any other measurements are nothing more than a point on a scale. How about focusing on what is making a difference. Limited contact and distancing where close contact with others is required. Biggest to us is how would we feel if someone stupidly gave the virus to our loved ones? Keep that in your head and work to keep yourself and loved ones safe while knowing that everyone you see is a loved one of someone!!

Be safe but have humanity for all!!

[Two Bills]

I shudder to think of the numbers that will emerge from India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh where the virus is just gaining ground
Those poor people will not stand a chance.
India has gone into lockdown, putting millions instantly out of work, no pay, and no food.
Starvation will feature there as well.
Stay well

[bluecenturian]

Read the 4th section regarding covering your mouth. Says “do NOT use masks designed for healthcare workers.”

How to Protect Yourself & Others | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html)

[bluecenturian]

Wrong. The virus is in droplets (liquid), it’s absorbed by the mask fibers. Air is a gas and passed through the mask because it is made of permeable material. If you touch a mask that has a virus on the outside you will get it on your hands. This is why they say don’t reuse them and wash your hands.

[roscoguy]

Air has to flow through the filter material of the mask otherwise you will suffocate. If air passes though so will the virus.

Untrue. A virus particle is much larger than an atom of oxygen or nitrogen.

[noslices1]

Because there are still over one million who are still infected and haven’t died or recovered yet.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Although this mayor may not be true you simply can not believe anything that you hear on CNN.

[rlcooper70]

Do you worry that the mainstream media is fear-mongering? We "know" that this virus is spread from hand to face. Washing the hands and avoiding touching the face are the most important aspects. As for the airborne particles the studies I have read show that it is being in an enclosed environment with a cougher or sneezer for 25+ minutes ... that's what the docs were doing at the beginning but they have protection now. Fear is your enemy. Facts are your friends. Focus. Wash. Airborne is too minimal for serious concern.

[toeser]

Air has to flow through the filter material of the mask otherwise you will suffocate. If air passes though so will the virus.

Not necessarily. If the virus is in a water droplet, it might be contained by the mask and remain on the surface. The infection rate in parts of Asia where mask wearing is common is far below that of Europe where mask wearing is rare. Anecdotal, but worth some thought.

[jswirs]

Air has to flow through the filter material of the mask otherwise you will suffocate. If air passes though so will the virus.
No, mask are not 100% effective, but they do help.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Masks are meant for single time use. After prolonged use, they become less and less affective. Continuous moisture from exhaling begins to make them less effective. It's no wonder healthcare workers are getting sick. In a normal hospital situation, one would NEVER reuse a mask, even worse yet, go from patient to patient with the same mask that is now contaminated on the exterior, too! This is outrageous.

[Aloha1]

And if the suggestion is we all should wear a mask, pray tell where you can find them?

[GoodLife]

That category is not included in the 4% or the 20%. Blueash's response was to the query regarding those specific percentage points - as in "why are people referring to these percentages?"

That 4th category can't count in those numbers, because that 4th category is an unknown factor. Estimates of that number can be 10x documented cases. It could be 500x documented cases. It could be half the amount of documented cases. Estimates mean zilch when it comes to unknown factors.

Then - there are the people who are sick - but don't have symptoms YET. That's a whole other ball of wax and again - they would not be counted in the current "what's the death rate?" query.

The research, published in the medical journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases, estimated that about 0.66% of those infected with the virus will die. That coronavirus death rate, which is lower than earlier estimates, takes into account potentially milder cases that often go undiagnosed

Novel coronavirus death rate is lower than previously reported, study says, but it's still deadlier than seasonal flu - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-lower-death-rate/index.html)

[Dianalea]

Doctors and nurses are still getting sick because there are not enough masks so they have to wear the same mask over and over, thereby increasing the risk of contamination.

[dnptrll]

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[merrymini]

Fourth category? If you have no symptoms, do not get sick and are never diagnosed, how can you estimate how many there are? Not refuting the fact that they exist but no one has any idea how many there could be unless they tested everyone in the country. Not a good use of resources when our economy is tanking and medical necessity if paramount.

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

Everyone is a expert- but your number of .5 is what the scientists who are on the ball are using because it takes into account all the factors to come to a realistic percentage.
Thanks

[Johnsocat]

Doctors and nurses are still getting sick so apparently masks don't work all that well.
Perhaps they are taking them off sometime during their shift while virus still in the air?

[Johnsocat]

Read the 4th section regarding covering your mouth. Says “do NOT use masks designed for healthcare workers.”

How to Protect Yourself & Others | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html)
Perhaps they are saying that because the medical community is having problems getting them?

[Johnsocat]

Wrong. The virus is in droplets (liquid), it’s absorbed by the mask fibers. Air is a gas and passed through the mask because it is made of permeable material. If you touch a mask that has a virus on the outside you will get it on your hands. This is why they say don’t reuse them and wash your hands.
Can you spray a used mask with lysol or other sterilizer and let it dry to reuse/conserve?

[jakers]

Yes, that is more accurate

[billethkid]

Perhaps they are saying that because the medical community is having problems getting them?

be-eye-en-gee-oh!!!

[Margterrymcg]

No, you No. 1 and you’re right

[kendi]

Doctors and nurses are still getting sick so apparently masks don't work all that well.

They are closer than 6 feet and are usually touching the patient along with pillows, blankets and other items that have been in contact with the patient. Masks help, but are not to be used instead of social distancing. Medical professionals of course cannot social distance when caring for a patient.

[kendi]

Can you spray a used mask with lysol or other sterilizer and let it dry to reuse/conserve?

If you're asking about home made masks, they can be washed in hot water.

[Topspinmo]

Air has to flow through the filter material of the mask otherwise you will suffocate. If air passes though so will the virus.


Wouldn’t something wet stick to cloth and get caught?

[RockyMountainMan]

Experts tell White House virus can spread through talking or even just breathing

(CNN)A prestigious scientific panel told the White House Wednesday night that research shows coronavirus can be spread not just by sneezes or coughs, but also just by talking, or possibly even just breathing.

"While the current [coronavirus] specific research is limited, the results of available studies are consistent with aerosolization of virus from normal breathing," according to the letter, written by Dr. Harvey Fineberg, chairman of a committee with the National Academy of Sciences.

Fineberg told CNN that he will wear start wearing a mask when he goes to the grocery store.

Coronavirus can spread through talking or breathing, prestigious panel tells White House - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/aerosol-coronavirus-spread-white-house-letter/index.html)

Based on what I have seen of villagers ignoring guidelines, I predict more than 1000 cases confirmed here sometime in April. White House will probably recommend some kind of mask when going out to shop etc. I agree, this stuff is more contagious than thought.

White House task force could soon recommend Americans wear masks - CNNPolitics (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/politics/trump-coronavirus-masks/index.html)
After spending 30 years in the operating room, trust me when I tell you a regular surgical mask, cotton garment, etc. does not prevent virus from entering your nose or mouth. A virus is 1000 times smaller than the smallest bacteria. A virus passing through a surgical mask is like a moped passing through the opening in the Holland Tunnel. Surgical masks are used to prevent the Surgeon and staff from passing bacteria from themselves to the patient's tissue during surgery. By all means, wear one...it may make you feel better, but it won't protect you from getting a virus. And no, there's no such thing as "a little protection is better than no protection." It either stops the virus or it doesn't. Don't waste your time or money and don't give me the stink-eye when I show up at Publix without a mask.

[GoodLife]

After spending 30 years in the operating room, trust me when I tell you a regular surgical mask, cotton garment, etc. does not prevent virus from entering your nose or mouth. A virus is 1000 times smaller than the smallest bacteria. A virus passing through a surgical mask is like a moped passing through the opening in the Holland Tunnel. Surgical masks are used to prevent the Surgeon and staff from passing bacteria from themselves to the patient's tissue during surgery. By all means, wear one...it may make you feel better, but it won't protect you from getting a virus. And no, there's no such thing as "a little protection is better than no protection." It either stops the virus or it doesn't. Don't waste your time or money and don't give me the stink-eye when I show up at Publix without a mask.

Don't worry, I won't give you stink eye cuz I don't go to grocery stores anymore, strictly pickup now. I agree surgical masks won't protect you but S Korea certainly has some of the best results flattening the curve in the world because they advised all citizens to wear masks.

[Velvet]

About surgical masks, what about if someone sneezes/coughs suddenly as they pass you?

[GoodLife]

About surgical masks, what about if someone sneezes/coughs suddenly as they pass you?

The whole point about advising public to wear masks is to limit virus spread by undiagnosed carriers, which could be you or anyone you encounter. Should have been done weeks ago.

[RockyMountainMan]

I guess I must not have explained myself good enough. The mask DOES NOT prevent or stop a virus from entering or exiting your mouth and/or you nose! If I have the virus and don't know it, and I cough, sneeze, talk or breath on you, it doesn't matter whether I'm wearing a mask or not, the virus will fly through the holes in the mask faster than Sherman went through Atlanta.

[npwalters]

Doctors and nurses are still getting sick because there are not enough masks so they have to wear the same mask over and over, thereby increasing the risk of contamination.

Do you know this to be true? I know for a fact it is not true in any of the 3 hospitals my daughter, daughter in law, and sister in law work in . They change masks between each patient.

[npwalters]

The nurses in my family posit the reason medical personnel are getting sick is due to touching contaminated surfaces and then inadvertently touching their face, mouth or eyes. They think very few cases (if any) are passed through a mask.

[chet2020]

I have converted to wearing a home-made mask in grocery stores, etc. This is my reasoning. Yes, a virus by itself will pass through a surgical or home-made mask. But the virus also resides in droplets emitted by sneezing and coughing. A home-made mask will catch the droplets, which are much larger than the virus itself.

There is also a line of thought that a large "dose" of virus leads to a worse outcome than a small dose. Seems to me a droplet would contain a large dose of virus, so at least I am avoiding that. It also reminds me not to touch my face.

Someone here posted a video of the "Fauci of South Korea," that convinced me. It's not a cure-all and I do not judge people who don't choose to wear a mask.

[Hoosierb4]

I guess I must not have explained myself good enough. The mask DOES NOT prevent or stop a virus from entering or exiting your mouth and/or you nose! If I have the virus and don't know it, and I cough, sneeze, talk or breath on you, it doesn't matter whether I'm wearing a mask or not, the virus will fly through the holes in the mask faster than Sherman went through Atlanta.

I suspect that you would be right if the virus was "flying" by itself. But, I suspect that the vast majority of viruses expelled with a cough or sneeze are carried within a small drop of liquid, which probably would be stopped. If so, the masks would do some good. I'm going to follow the guidelines given by the government experts...and I hope that you do too.

[karostay]

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