Dr Fauci the gold standard?

[GoodLife]

“This is not a major threat for the people in United States, and this is not something the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about” - Dr. Fauci to
@gregkellyusa
, Jan 21, 2020

Twitter (https://twitter.com/i/status/1246098728085336066)

Playing the blame game is fruitless, it's easy to find statements that in retrospect seem foolish today. (yes I have done it) I like Fauci and think he's trying to do the best he can.

This is on China, PERIOD.

Like I said in another thread, trying to blame anyone but China for our present lifestyle is like blaming the fire fighters after an arsonist sets your house on fire.

[Velvet]

I’d never thought I’d say this, I bend over backwards to give people the benefit of the doubt... but in the light of new information about how China misled the rest of the world about this virus, I agree with you.

[Koapaka]

Hopefully, when this is an ugly memory and people have moved on with their lives in whatever the new "normal" will be, they will remember that it is better to pay a few dollars extra for items and bring those jobs back to our own country vs being as dependent as we have allowed ourselves to become on exports where saving a buck becomes the bottom line. ESPECIALLY when it comes to Pharmaceuticals and equipment. The last time the entire world dealt with something of this magnitude was the Spanish Flu over 100 yrs ago, and we, unfortunately, left ourselves very vulnerable in a modern culture by relying on profits/costs over safety and security concerns. If you remember a few years back, this was the case,only with our pets. The number of animals that were dying from food items and chew sticks/treats that was specifically problematic for dogs. Kidney failures and system shut downs for animals having literally been poisoned by these imported items, that cost $5 less per bag. :(

[tophcfa]

Might want to aspire to a different standard. During these crazy markets Gold was supposed to be the investment of choice, but it has not lived up to it’s reputation as the standard.

[Love2Swim]

“This is not a major threat for the people in United States, and this is not something the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about” - Dr. Fauci to
@gregkellyusa
, Jan 21, 2020

Twitter (https://twitter.com/i/status/1246098728085336066)

Playing the blame game is fruitless, it's easy to find statements that in retrospect seem foolish today. (yes I have done it) I like Fauci and think he's trying to do the best he can.

This is on China, PERIOD.

Like I said in another thread, trying to blame anyone but China for our present lifestyle is like blaming the fire fighters after an arsonist sets your house on fire.

The quote was taken out of context. At the same time he did say we have to take it seriously and do everything the CDC recommends. . A month later he said - The risk of coronavirus in this country is still relatively low, but, as I said about the possibility of emerging into a pandemic, this could change. As of today, on the 17th of February, the risk is really relatively low. But we, the public health officials, have to take this seriously enough to be prepared for it changing and there being a pandemic.

So the bottom line was, they were watching it, in the event it did morph into something bigger, which of course, it did.

[golfing eagles]

Hopefully, when this is an ugly memory and people have moved on with their lives in whatever the new "normal" will be, they will remember that it is better to pay a few dollars extra for items and bring those jobs back to our own country vs being as dependent as we have allowed ourselves to become on exports where saving a buck becomes the bottom line. ESPECIALLY when it comes to Pharmaceuticals and equipment. The last time the entire world dealt with something of this magnitude was the Spanish Flu over 100 yrs ago, and we, unfortunately, left ourselves very vulnerable in a modern culture by relying on profits/costs over safety and security concerns. If you remember a few years back, this was the case,only with our pets. The number of animals that were dying from food items and chew sticks/treats that was specifically problematic for dogs. Kidney failures and system shut downs for animals having literally been poisoned by these imported items, that cost $5 less per bag. :(


And thus the unintended consequences of "globalism"

That and not being able to understand anyone who is providing technical support on the phone:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Topspinmo]

And thus the unintended consequences of "globalism"

That and not being able to understand anyone who is providing technical support on the phone:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Globalism for high profit at slave labor wage.

[collie1228]

Dr. Fauci is a hero in my book. The president tends to go off script way too often, and needs to be guided back to the mainstream. Fauci has an ability to do that, without getting political at all, and apparently without receiving the wrath of Trump, which is a rare skill. His credentials are impeccable, and the president should be commended for putting him in place and allowing him to be the face of the science of the coronavirus defense.

[jacksonbrown]

Unfortunately, COVID-19 models seem to be just as bad and just as unreliable as climate change models.

The reporting on models tend to be highly politicized.

Please, consider the source.

[graciegirl]

I am quoting one of the posters on this thread who I agree with.;

"The quote was taken out of context. At the same time he did say we have to take it seriously and do everything the CDC recommends. . A month later he said - The risk of coronavirus in this country is still relatively low, but, as I said about the possibility of emerging into a pandemic, this could change. As of today, on the 17th of February, the risk is really relatively low. But we, the public health officials, have to take this seriously enough to be prepared for it changing and there being a pandemic.

So the bottom line was, they were watching it, in the event it did morph into something bigger, which of course, it did. "


I am confused by the original post on this thread and don't understand the point the original poster was trying to make.

[GoodLife]

I am quoting one of the posters on this thread who I agree with.;

"The quote was taken out of context. At the same time he did say we have to take it seriously and do everything the CDC recommends. . A month later he said - The risk of coronavirus in this country is still relatively low, but, as I said about the possibility of emerging into a pandemic, this could change. As of today, on the 17th of February, the risk is really relatively low. But we, the public health officials, have to take this seriously enough to be prepared for it changing and there being a pandemic.

So the bottom line was, they were watching it, in the event it did morph into something bigger, which of course, it did. "


I am confused by the original post on this thread and don't understand the point the original poster was trying to make.

The point is even the medical experts like Dr Fauci have made some pretty stupid statements if viewed from hindsight. Pretty sure he regrets telling americans not to worry, even if he followed that up with "but we're going to watch it"

[bilcon]

I remember the polio outbreak in the 1950's and the horrible effect it had families, and to some extent, the economy. I do not remember the politics, the blame game and the overzealous press (Monday morning quarterbacks) telling everyone what we should have done to avoid this pandemic. We will never learn from this experience. Several months from now life will go back to normal in this country, just like after 9/11, but the press will still be blaming, not reporting. I watch the news shows and wonder what out kids are learning from us. We want them to grow up to be responsible members of our society, while they are watching us attack each other like barbarians. For the first time in my life, I am glad I am old and won't be around to see the second round.

[TexaninVA]

I remember the polio outbreak in the 1950's and the horrible effect it had families, and to some extent, the economy. I do not remember the politics, the blame game and the overzealous press (Monday morning quarterbacks) telling everyone what we should have done to avoid this pandemic. We will never learn from this experience. Several months from now life will go back to normal in this country, just like after 9/11, but the press will still be blaming, not reporting. I watch the news shows and wonder what out kids are learning from us. We want them to grow up to be responsible members of our society, while they are watching us attack each other like barbarians. For the first time in my life, I am glad I am old and won't be around to see the second round.

Agree. In some ways, the primary source of our division is the hyper-partisan press. It's always gotcha, why didn't you do something different, why can't you promise us 100% security? Whine, moan, gripe, etc.

If we had the same press corps in WWII, we'd all be speaking German today.

[Villageswimmer]

Dr. Fauci may not be perfect but none of us is. IMO, he is as knowledgeable as anyone in his field and he is an excellent communicator. So is Dr. Birx. They are professionals who admit what they don’t know.

They treat people as adults with respect—not name calling, arrogance, defensiveness, or put downs. Just facts as they know them.
I, for one, rely on their messages on how to best behave in this crisis.
Please, folks, be careful. Don’t follow the advice of a “doctor” (or one who plays one on TOTV) on an anonymous Internet board.

[blueash]

I am quoting one of the posters on this thread who I agree with.;

"The quote was taken out of context. At the same time he did say we have to take it seriously and do everything the CDC recommends. . A month later he said - The risk of coronavirus in this country is still relatively low, but, as I said about the possibility of emerging into a pandemic, this could change. As of today, on the 17th of February, the risk is really relatively low. But we, the public health officials, have to take this seriously enough to be prepared for it changing and there being a pandemic.

So the bottom line was, they were watching it, in the event it did morph into something bigger, which of course, it did. "


I am confused by the original post on this thread and don't understand the point the original poster was trying to make.

Oh Gracie, sure you understand the intent. Dr Fauci is being generally praised as a steady hand who has been careful to only present to the public well sourced best information available. There have been photos taken out of context that seem to show him distressed at comments made by others at press events. There are some who have contrasted his approach, not saying he knows more than anyone else or grading himself as to the choices he made, with others.

So now it becomes important to say, Dr. F said X and he was wrong. Thus if you say Person Y said A,B,C,D... they are all equal and no fault should be found or even suggested. Translation, stop praising Dr. F it might make somebody else look bad. And the fact that you can figure out who that somebody else might be is informative.

[blueash]

Unfortunately, COVID-19 models seem to be just as bad and just as unreliable as climate change models.

The reporting on models tend to be highly politicized.

Please, consider the source.

Yes all those Covid models that early on were suggesting that this could be a major pandemic and cause significant illness and death everywhere, not just in China. Those models that the WHO used to announce a pandemic. If you read the analysis it will tell you what sources of information they used what the possible errors are in those sources and what parameters are known vs unknown in the model. I am not aware of any politicization of model reporting unless you consider simply announcing the findings of a model to be an inherently political event.

Want to learn about epidemiological modeling? How it is done, what are the problems? A very well written article in The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/04/coronavirus-models-arent-supposed-be-right/609271/)is helpful

Want to look at how climate models did? (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/12/even-50-year-old-climate-models-correctly-predicted-global-warming) It's in the journal "SCIENCE" And here is a comment from some organization called NASA (https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/study-confirms-climate-models-are-getting-future-warming-projections-right/) Hint, the models have held up very well.

Future modeling from 40 years ago could not factor in the rise of electric vehicles, the enormous shift from oil to natural gas, nor the ban on CFC's. All of these have made a small downward shift in warming. Models often include a range of what the result will be given a change in CO2 or methane or industrial activity. Interestingly this worldwide slowdown from Covid will absolutely benefit the environment, which might if very prolonged, weaken the accuracy of predictions that could never have anticipated such an event. It will be interesting to see how much the CO2 measurements drop in the next couple months.

[Mikeod]

What bothers me is the OP’s insinuation that because Dr. Fauci’s early remarks differ from what has transpired and what he has said as this situation developed, that he is somehow less valuable or trustworthy. That he had to be precisely accurate from day one. Frankly, I prefer someone who, as more and better information becomes available, is quick and forthright in changing his position. That is what he has done. Hindsight may be 20/20, but that doesn’t make it right.

[Velvet]

If you are asking Dr Fauci to have the foresight of a prophet, it’s not likely. I would guess that he went by the same misinformation we all heard from China in the early days.

[GoodLife]

What bothers me is the OP’s insinuation that because Dr. Fauci’s early remarks differ from what has transpired and what he has said as this situation developed, that he is somehow less valuable or trustworthy. That he had to be precisely accurate from day one. Frankly, I prefer someone who, as more and better information becomes available, is quick and forthright in changing his position. That is what he has done. Hindsight may be 20/20, but that doesn’t make it right.

Did you miss the part where I said "I like Dr Fauci and think he is doing the best he can"

The point of the post was too show that virtually everyone, early on, made statements that seem in retrospect a tad off the mark. The blame game as seen on this forum.

The only blame goes to China who hid the fact that this virus was passing person to person, highly contagious, and allowed 5 million Wuhan residents to travel all over China and the rest of the world, resulting in the situation we now have.