Golf course conditions

[neilbcox]

Played Bonifay yesterday and the greens were in great shape but the rest of the course was hard and dry...need more water!

Played Roosevelt today and it should be closed down. This is the worse I have ever seen this course!

Where is our CDD management???

[CWGUY]

Played Bonifay yesterday and the greens were in great shape but the rest of the course was hard and dry...need more water!

Played Roosevelt today and it should be closed down. This is the worse I have ever seen this course!

Where is our CCD management???

:confused: What is CCD? Bonifay is a Country Club and private business..... complain there. Roosevelt is an Executive Course and is reached here:
Executive Golf Maintenance
984 Old Mill Run
The Villages, FL 32162
Phone: 352-674-1885
Fax: 352-674-1805

:ho: Hope this helps

[Challenger]

Played Tarpon first tee time this morn , not bad probably a "B" overall.

[dewilson58]

You are lucky to be playing at all!




Agree

[dewilson58]

Quit your bitchin...……………………...




Agree

[Kenswing]

Just one more reason to stay home..

[stan the man]

Same people responding. ?? Same responses.

[Marvic 1]

Same people responding. ?? Same responses.

I also been noticing, that's how they get their number of post count up, seems like a competition for them....... :1rotfl:

[neilbcox]

:confused: What is CCD? Bonifay is a Country Club and private business..... complain there. Roosevelt is an Executive Course and is reached here:
Executive Golf Maintenance
984 Old Mill Run
The Villages, FL 32162
Phone: 352-674-1885
Fax: 352-674-1805

:ho: Hope this helps
People should read the post before attacking! I praised a Bonifay...I complained about Roosevelt executive. The people who control this site placed my post here!

[neilbcox]

People should read the post before attacking! I praised a Bonifay...I complained about Roosevelt executive. The people who control this site placed my post here!
Thanks...will do! But Havana CC manages the ground work.

[John_W]

I played Palmer (Laurel Valley > Riley) yesterday. The course was about the same as always. It was a little dry and brown in spots but overall it was in good shape.

I tried to put in a request for next Friday and every championship course only had nine holes open, and Mallory still totally closed. I applied for Bonifay (Ft. Walton), Evans Praire (Egret) and Havana (Kenya) at 1:00 for a group of 3. I don't know if we'll get anything since there is only one nine open.

I didn't select some of the other courses because the nine they had open was my least favorite. Belle Glade (Seminole), Cane Garden (Hibiscus) and Glen View and Lopez I felt was too far to drive to play just nine.

[CWGUY]

People should read the post before attacking! I praised a Bonifay...I complained about Roosevelt executive. The people who control this site placed my post here!

:) Not an attack.... told you how/where to complain if you thought "the course was hard and dry...need more water!" Stating it here does nothing but cause hard feelings. :ho:

And what is a CCD? I really don't know. Or did you mean something else.

Actually please don't answer.... I don't care. Have a good day and stay safe and healthy. :)

[anothersteve]

I played Palmer (Laurel Valley > Riley) yesterday. The course was about the same as always. It was a little dry and brown in spots but overall it was in good shape.

I tried to put in a request for next Friday and every championship course only had nine holes open, and Mallory still totally closed. I applied for Bonifay (Ft. Walton), Evans Praire (Egret) and Havana (Kenya) at 1:00 for a group of 3. I don't know if we'll get anything since there is only one nine open.

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Palmer went to an 18 hole format, Strait tee times, no wave, Riley Grove is closed. I think all other Champs are, will be doing this.
Steve

[John_W]

Palmer went to an 18 hole format, Strait tee times, no wave, Riley Grove is closed. I think all other Champs are, will be doing this.
Steve

So we are getting 18 holes, but they want everyone to start on the same front nine so they don't show the other open nine because they don't want us to select it. That's make sense, wish they had included a notation.

[stevemac]

Truman was awful on Friday-lack of watering was obvious.

[stan the man]

I also been noticing, that's how they get their number of post count up, seems like a competition for them....... :1rotfl:

Most of them I just stating the obvious or repeating what someone else has said. Ever been at a meeting where there's always one or two people that try and sound intelligent, but when they open their mouth ......

[chickyboots]

Really? Maybe the course workers are staying home because we’re in the midst of a pandemic?

[davem4616]

not optimal conditions, yes, however on the flip side....you're getting out, you're having fun chasing a little white ball around a cow pasture that's sprinkled with sandboxes...and most likely you're getting a little more 'bounce' on your drive

I've noticed many of the retention ponds are really quite low

perhaps the 'save the turtle' folks have complained and there's now a limit on how much water can be taken from those ponds daily

hey, it could happen (look what the 'spotted owl' and the 'three toed green spotted newt' people were able to do)

:1rotfl:

[kcrazorbackfan]

Played Bonifay FW/P and P/D and BG T/S this week and on all 3 rotations, the conditions were really good; getting an incredible amount of roll on the fairways now.

But it goes back to what I’ve said before, if you’re game sucks, everything is going to get blamed expect the real issue - your swing.

[anothersteve]

Really? Maybe the course workers are staying home because we’re in the midst of a pandemic?

That's an option and up to the workers, with no repercussions.
Steve

[crc19188]

If there is no rain,which there has not been, then how can you water the grass. As Pink Floyd said "How can you have your pudding if you don't eat your meat. Stand still laddie." Suck it up like the rest of us and quit your complaining. All the rain you want in June,July and August. Then you will be complaining you can't play then. These are trying times for all not just you. There are people dying and you're worried about a dam golf course. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marathon Man]

If there is no rain,which there has not been, then how can you water the grass. As Pink Floyd said "How can you have your pudding if you don't eat your meat. Stand still laddie." Suck it up like the rest of us and quit your complaining. All the rain you want in June,July and August. Then you will be complaining you can't play then. These are trying times for all not just you. There are people dying and you're worried about a dam golf course. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well said.

[CWGUY]

Truman was awful on Friday-lack of watering was obvious.

:welcome: Welcome to TOTV. GREAT 1st. post. :rolleyes:

[Tsego58]

That's terrible, these courses are not up to what I expect. The courses should have at least nice greens. Oh well can't get anything done. The people just don't care about golfers now
They are more worried about spreading a deadly virus and blaming one another. They should have the attitude we do.

[cassjax2]

You can also thank the inconsiderate and lazy golfers who drive their carts right up to, and sometimes over, the greens even though they do not have a handicapped placard.

[Veiragirl]

with all the problems going on I think you should rethink your priorities

[waynet]

Havana should be closed. Do not put on your play list. All dirt, a disgrace for the $47.00 charge. Does anyone know what they are doing?

[bagboy]

These condition complaints are right on time. Like the Buzzards in Hinkley, or the swallows of San Juan Capistrano. They show up same time, same place, year after year. It was eerily quiet for a long time. Stay safe everyone. :)

[Bogie Shooter]

These condition complaints are right on time. Like the Buzzards in Hinkley, or the swallows of San Juan Capistrano. They show up same time, same place, year after year. It was eerily quiet for a long time. Stay safe everyone. :)

Same posters too...……………...

[drcar]

I played Palmer (Laurel Valley > Riley) yesterday. The course was about the same as always. It was a little dry and brown in spots but overall it was in good shape.

I tried to put in a request for next Friday and every championship course only had nine holes open, and Mallory still totally closed. I applied for Bonifay (Ft. Walton), Evans Praire (Egret) and Havana (Kenya) at 1:00 for a group of 3. I don't know if we'll get anything since there is only one nine open.

I didn't select some of the other courses because the nine they had open was my least favorite. Belle Glade (Seminole), Cane Garden (Hibiscus) and Glen View and Lopez I felt was too far to drive to play just nine.

the courses are running straight tee times, 18 holes, you only see one course that is the only starting hole.

[bagboy]

Same posters too...……………...

:agree:

[UpNorth]

These condition complaints are right on time. Like the Buzzards in Hinkley, or the swallows of San Juan Capistrano. They show up same time, same place, year after year. It was eerily quiet for a long time. Stay safe everyone. :)

Since the conditions are so typically poor on the championship courses at this time of year, you would think they would lower the greens fees. No way. Certainly nothing I'd pay $64 for. Prime time rates for subpar conditions.

[bagboy]

Since the conditions are so typically poor on the championship courses at this time of year, you would think they would lower the greens fees. No way. Certainly nothing I'd pay $64 for. Prime time rates for subpar conditions.

Well, it's prime time rates because it's prime time for golf. Conditions will improve with rain, they always do.

[Marathon Man]

Since the conditions are so typically poor on the championship courses at this time of year, you would think they would lower the greens fees. No way. Certainly nothing I'd pay $64 for. Prime time rates for subpar conditions.

Since there is awareness of conditions and prices, an informed decision can be made.

[BevSparks]

We played Tierra and both scored 83. Was just happy to be outside enjoying fresh air..

[Margterrymcg]

Do the Executive Courses have irrigation systems? Hilltop and Silver Lake are very dry and hard.

[Challenger]

Played Yankee Clipper on Tues 4/7 Greens in as good shape as I have seen in ten years. Tee boxs -ok , fairway reasonable in these drought conditions. Good work, whoever you are !!!

[drcar]

Do the Executive Courses have irrigation systems? Hilltop and Silver Lake are very dry and hard.

All the courses have irrigation systems, what most people don't understand is the amount of water is controlled by the water
districts. They limit the amount of water that each course can use during the year. They also can reduce the water any time.

[Special Ed]

So them watering (after 5:00) all the championship courses south of 466A yesterday.

[SonnyS]

Stay home

[donassaid]

Pitiful but so are many Championship courses. Some of Havana's tee boxes are nothing more than dirt. And the fairways are cut so low that it is like playing off of cart paths. TV's Director of Golf, David Williams, recently told me that they set the mower's at 5/8". Apparently someone doesn't know how to read a tape measure because I have never, ever seen any if our fairways above 1/4" and most of the time, lower than that.

[HIgolfers]

Pitiful but so are many Championship courses. Some of Havana's tee boxes are nothing more than dirt. And the fairways are cut so low that it is like playing off of cart paths. TV's Director of Golf, David Williams, recently told me that they set the mower's at 5/8". Apparently someone doesn't know how to read a tape measure because I have never, ever seen any if our fairways above 1/4" and most of the time, lower than that.
Havana is in the worst shape of all the Champ courses. I try to avoid it if at all possible.

[curt.1]

All Championship courses have 18 holes open. They only show 9 holes because that is where you check in and pay green fees, as the clubhouse is also closed. They are using this time to aerate the closed 9 holes.

[Indy-Guy]

Below is a link to the website of the company that designed and built most of the golf courses in The Villages and also many in central Florida.

CEC Golf Design Group - Apopka, FL (https://www.cecgolfdesign.com/)

Also a link to the courses that they have designed and built.

Completed Desgin Projects (https://www.cecgolfdesign.com/completed-desgin-projects)

Perhaps many of you will find this interesting.

[RockyMountainMan]

Played Bonifay yesterday and the greens were in great shape but the rest of the course was hard and dry...need more water!

Played Roosevelt today and it should be closed down. This is the worse I have ever seen this course!

Where is our CDD management???
I've been in the Villages for 8 years and about 3 or 4 years ago the Championship Courses stopped overseeding the fairways in the winter with rye or bluegrass. The fairways were beautiful and the courses were a pleasure to play. Since then, they do not overseed and by this time of the season the Bermuda grass is devastated...hence the terrible conditions. I inquired at one of the country clubs and the Pro there said they don't overseed any more because they had to shut the courses down for a week so the rye grass could grow which is true. So what...stagger the overseeding and shut the courses down as necessary. At least then we would have some great conditions. I think the real reason they don't overseed is quite obvious...MONEY...as usual!

[UpNorth]

Below is a link to the website of the company that designed and built most of the golf courses in The Villages and also many in central Florida.

CEC Golf Design Group - Apopka, FL (https://www.cecgolfdesign.com/)

Also a link to the courses that they have designed and built.

Completed Desgin Projects (https://www.cecgolfdesign.com/completed-desgin-projects)

Perhaps many of you will find this interesting.

Yes interesting. Looks like they designed nearly all the holes in The Villages. Some people are under the impression that Arnold Palmer, Nancy Lopez and other tour professionals are responsible for the layouts that are named in their honor.

[Mikeod]

I've been in the Villages for 8 years and about 3 or 4 years ago the Championship Courses stopped overseeding the fairways in the winter with rye or bluegrass. The fairways were beautiful and the courses were a pleasure to play. Since then, they do not overseed and by this time of the season the Bermuda grass is devastated...hence the terrible conditions. I inquired at one of the country clubs and the Pro there said they don't overseed any more because they had to shut the courses down for a week so the rye grass could grow which is true. So what...stagger the overseeding and shut the courses down as necessary. At least then we would have some great conditions. I think the real reason they don't overseed is quite obvious...MONEY...as usual!
I don’t think money is the driving factor in stopping the overseed and don’t think the few days lost in the process is either. For almost every spring when they overseeded for the winter, the transition to the base bermuda grass was terrible. For several weeks there was a mix of both grasses and the overseed shaded the bermuda hindering its recovery. Researching other southern courses showed potential benefit in not overseeding since the bermuda recovered more quickly.

Another option I’ve seen used is to overseed, then withhold water in the spring to kill the overseed quickly. Works best in more arid areas where rain doesn’t short circuit the program. Of course, conditions were terrible until the bermuda took over. Sort of damned either way.

[RuthA]

A little befuddled at those who criticize people who complain about the condition of our golf courses and answer with a curt reply to "be thankful you get to play at all". Personally, I don't think it is unreasonable to complain about the sorry condition of many of our golf courses since golf is touted as the main drawing card of life in The Villages. Yes we need rain badly but there is no excuse for keeping the mowers going during a drought and mowing what grass there is down to a nub. The Villages Director of Golf told me recently that they mow the fairways at 5/8" height. What a joke. Never, ever seen the fairways with that much grass. Usually @ 1/8" or less. Also way too much sand in the bunkers contributing to buried lies etc. The layouts are exceptional but the course conditions of nearly every one is abysmal. The exceptions are Palmer, Lopez, Tierra del Sol, Hacienda and Glenview. We can do better and should demand better but, apparently, all the "family" cares about is MONEY. Only courses I ever played on with dyed fairways and greens.

[wildjac]

Played Turtle Mound Monday........greens conditions were disgraceful! No excuses are acceptable. If you're still collecting amenity fees......you should still be taking care of the courses!

[birdiebill]

Apparently unknown to some is that the Bermuda grass here goes dormant and does not grow at all in the cooler temperatures of the winter. If you overseed with rye, when spring comes the rye and the emerging Bermuda grass have to compete for the same water, sunlight, and fertilizer. This slows the growth of the Bermuda and makes it more susceptible to disease.

Also March, April and May are the three driest months in this part of Central Florida. Grasses do not do well without water.

[eyc234]

::ohdear: Oh my, too much grass, too little grass, too tall grass, too short grass, greens too slow, greens too fast, grass is brown, ground too hard, ground too soft, not enough sand, too much sand, sand too wet and sand too dry. Is not golf a game that you play in the conditions that are for the most part established by mother nature on the day you are playing? That is part of the challenge. Have to go with what Brooks Koepka says, "quit your b___hin and play golf". Good golfers that enjoy the game adapt to course conditions. If you can not or do not want to then do not play! I have had many good days and bad days on courses all over the world and in hundreds of conditions but can truly say that my score was determined by me not the course. Hit 'em long and straight and enjoy everyday that you can play.

[bagboy]

I had to laugh at a couple of recent posts. One complained about a bad lie in the fairway due to short grass, and now too much sand in the traps.
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::ohdear:

[karostay]

Same people responding. ?? Same responses.

I see that

[davem4616]

Played Bonifay yesterday and the greens were in great shape but the rest of the course was hard and dry...need more water!

Played Roosevelt today and it should be closed down. This is the worse I have ever seen this course!

Where is our CDD management???



okay, ya got your wish for more water

what else ya got?

[cathell62]

Think about it.....I recall in the recent past we had to pay higher fees if we watered our yards. If the courses use more water during the drought we've had, DO YOU WANT TO PAY HIGHER FEES AGAIN?

I know I don't, therefore if you don't like it, don't play or accept the condition and quit complaining!


Played Bonifay yesterday and the greens were in great shape but the rest of the course was hard and dry...need more water!

Played Roosevelt today and it should be closed down. This is the worse I have ever seen this course!

Where is our CDD management???

[Dave@TV]

I've noticed many of the retention ponds are really quite low

perhaps the 'save the turtle' folks have complained and there's now a limit on how much water can be taken from those ponds daily


:1rotfl:


I was told a couple of years ago that the golf courses are limited in their watering just like we are - to two days per week.

[eyc234]

:faint: I have a real complaint, today I played and there was water in the sky falling on me. There was water on the grass and the wind was blowing. I had to hit my ball out of a wet sand trap. The grass in the fairway was turning a different color from the rough and the dirt was wet and stuck to my club when I hit a great wedge shot. Please tell me who I complain to so I can have this fixed. I really, really want to keep playing but it is so calming and relaxing I must be doing something wrong.

[kcrazorbackfan]

I've been in the Villages for 8 years and about 3 or 4 years ago the Championship Courses stopped overseeding the fairways in the winter with rye or bluegrass. The fairways were beautiful and the courses were a pleasure to play. Since then, they do not overseed and by this time of the season the Bermuda grass is devastated...hence the terrible conditions. I inquired at one of the country clubs and the Pro there said they don't overseed any more because they had to shut the courses down for a week so the rye grass could grow which is true. So what...stagger the overseeding and shut the courses down as necessary. At least then we would have some great conditions. I think the real reason they don't overseed is quite obvious...MONEY...as usual!

So, you THINK the real reason is money? Blah, blah, blah, blah. You really don't know anything about how to run a golf course, do you? Didn't think so.... All you crybabies and whiners always think it's The Developers fault when you see something you don't like or something doesn't go your way.

[gardnerthomas838]

Course should be closed. Tee boxes like dirt, and greens are infected with some type of weeds. If you like putting through bumps, this is your type of course.

[dewilson58]

:faint: I have a real complaint, today I played and there was water in the sky falling on me. There was water on the grass and the wind was blowing. I had to hit my ball out of a wet sand trap. The grass in the fairway was turning a different color from the rough and the dirt was wet and stuck to my club when I hit a great wedge shot. Please tell me who I complain to so I can have this fixed. I really, really want to keep playing but it is so calming and relaxing I must be doing something wrong.


Developers' fault. Call 1.800.Morris


:super:

[drcar]

I was told a couple of years ago that the golf courses are limited in their watering just like we are - to two days per week.

Each course is given a water allocation for the year by the Sumter Water District. The superintendent then determines the water schedule based on the allotment of water. The district can reduce the amount of water based on drought conditions, therefore the the superintendent has to adjust the amount of use.

[Skunky1]

I suggest closing all of the golf courses so that maintenance can be completed.

[drcar]

I suggest closing all of the golf courses so that maintenance can be completed.

Suggestion received, suggestion rejected!

[stan the man]

I suggest closing all of the golf courses so that maintenance can be completed.

Wait for snowbirds to go home

[robsherry]

Yep, the first hole green is awful as are most greens. Someone should be fired for this.

[thomp679]

So, you THINK the real reason is money? Blah, blah, blah, blah. You really don't know anything about how to run a golf course, do you? Didn't think so.... All you crybabies and whiners always think it's The Developers fault when you see something you don't like or something doesn't go your way.

From observations of your posts, do you always have to shout and talk down to everyone on TOTV? It kinda tarnishes the site just to make you feel better about yourself. Hope you don't kick your dogs as much as you bully the various posters.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I hadn't played in about a year because an old injury acted up. But I played a few times in the past ten days on executive courses and the conditions are horrendous. I am amazed that the Villages does such a great job on pretty much everything except golf. One of the biggest attractions here is "Free Golf" for life. You would think that they'd take a bit more pride in their golf courses like they do with everything else.

[JoMar]

I hadn't played in about a year because an old injury acted up. But I played a few times in the past ten days on executive courses and the conditions are horrendous. I am amazed that the Villages does such a great job on pretty much everything except golf. One of the biggest attractions here is "Free Golf" for life. You would think that they'd take a bit more pride in their golf courses like they do with everything else.

And you solution is?

[mrf6969]

Played Orange Blossom yesterday and even at $23.00 it is not worth it.
Why is it that you can play Cain Garden and there is nice turf to hit off of on the fairways but with OB Hills it is like hitting off of asphalt? Mystery to me why most of the time they cannot grow grass at OB Hills.

[Indy-Guy]

What is the condition of Mallory Hill since it has re-opened? Is Havana still not good to play?

[sheena0904]

I hadn't played in about a year because an old injury acted up. But I played a few times in the past ten days on executive courses and the conditions are horrendous. I am amazed that the Villages does such a great job on pretty much everything except golf. One of the biggest attractions here is "Free Golf" for life. You would think that they'd take a bit more pride in their golf courses like they do with everything else.
Have you ever said anything good about The Villages golf courses?

[UpNorth]

Have you ever said anything good about The Villages golf courses?

About the only thing I could say would be "you don't have to drive far to get to one". That's about it. Otherwise, overpriced and boring.

[Lucas]

Played Bonifay yesterday and the greens were in great shape but the rest of the course was hard and dry...need more water!

Played Roosevelt today and it should be closed down. This is the worse I have ever seen this course!

Where is our CDD management???
If the villages are going to charge a premium price ! They should get the golf course in premium condition ! I think the golf course need lots of work and more grass !

[Two Bills]

All golf courses are closed UK and most of Europe.
Be happy to play on anything at the present time!

[John_W]

I played Havana (Kenya to Hemingway) yesterday, it was in very good shape. One unusual note, I had played Bonifay the week before and you go straight to the starters shack at Ft. Walton and they line the carts up on the big walkway heading toward Destin. You actually play Destin as your front nine. However, at Havana if you go to the starter shack, because space is limited, they sent to the club house parking lot. The lower golf cart lot is blocked off. Then an ambassador will ask your teetime and they have your group park in the parking lot in spots with a teetime marker. You can still use the putting green, they have it so you can walk through the outside seating area of the restaurant to get to the putting green.

[dewilson58]

I played Havana (Kenya to Hemingway) yesterday, it was in very good shape. One unusual note, I had played Bonifay the week before and you go straight to the starters shack at Ft. Walton and they line the carts up on the big walkway heading toward Destin. You actually play Destin as your front nine. However, at Havana if you go to the starter shack, because space is limited, they sent to the club house parking lot. The lower golf cart lot is blocked off. Then an ambassador will ask your teetime and they have your group park in the parking lot in spots with a teetime marker. You can still use the putting green, they have it so you can walk through the outside seating area of the restaurant to get to the putting green.


The "starter" at Havana thought this process might continue for a month.

[dewilson58]

All golf courses are closed UK and most of Europe.
Be happy to play on anything at the present time!


1/2 Full. :icon_wink:

[John_W]

The "starter" at Havana thought this process might continue for a month.

This morning Sun said the pro-shop would open Monday but for merchandise sales only, and only until 4pm. The nine's that have been closed I believe they're doing the aerification on them right now. I saw parts of Kilimanjaro and they have the greens covered in sand. However, they don't show more courses closed for aerification until late August except Glenview in June.

[calibantwo]

The real problem with the fairways is that for the last two years the greenskeepers have been cutting the fairways and tees too short. Some fairways on executive courses are as short as the greens. Even the regulation courses I have played have very short fairways. Longer blades shade the grass roots and keep the soil from drying too quickly. Having been a caddy for 15 years and a golfer for 70, I can honestly say I have never seen fairways and tees cut as closely as ours have been for the last two years.

[Shbullet]

The real problem with the fairways is that for the last two years the greenskeepers have been cutting the fairways and tees too short. Some fairways on executive courses are as short as the greens. Even the regulation courses I have played have very short fairways. Longer blades shade the grass roots and keep the soil from drying too quickly. Having been a caddy for 15 years and a golfer for 70, I can honestly say I have never seen fairways and tees cut as closely as ours have been for the last two years.

DWwilson58 is not going to like your assessment at all......even if it is true......

[Edjkoz]

Why are the golf course maintenance workers mowing when there is no grass to mow, especially in the fairways? They mow it so tight that it burns out and then they blame it on lack of water or too many carts. While they are factors, wouldn’t it be better to allow the grass to grow just a bit!

[dewilson58]

The real problem with the fairways is that for the last two years the greenskeepers have been cutting the fairways and tees too short. Some fairways on executive courses are as short as the greens. Even the regulation courses I have played have very short fairways. Longer blades shade the grass roots and keep the soil from drying too quickly. Having been a caddy for 15 years and a golfer for 70, I can honestly say I have never seen fairways and tees cut as closely as ours have been for the last two years.




I agree. :ho:

[Two Bills]

DWwilson58 is not going to like your assessment at all......even if it is true......

Well.
Thats that theory out the window then!