Pet Grooming, A Non-Essential Business?

[jacksonbrown]

There are one or more threads on TOTV which discuss what businesses are "essential" and what businesses are not.

Today, an article is circulating, the citation of which is not allowed on TOTV, about a local pet grooming service being asked, by a Lady Lake police officer, to close its doors. The officer closed the business due to the violation of an executive order issued by Gov. Ron DeSantis.

So, what is a non-essential business?

Why this business and not restaurants (people can cook at home), as well as food trucks.

Or, property rentals (vacationers can stay home)?

Or, new/used home sales (delay the purchases to post COVID)?

I say this was selective enforcement.

You know "money talks and b****t walks"

[Medtrans]

There are one or more threads on TOTV which discuss what businesses are "essential" and what businesses are not.

Today, an article is circulating, the citation of which is not allowed on TOTV, about a local pet grooming service being asked, by a Lady Lake police officer, to close its doors. The officer closed the business due to the violation of an executive order issued by Gov. Ron DeSantis.

So, what is a non-essential business?

Why this business and not restaurants (people can cook at home), as well as food trucks.

Or, property rentals (vacationers can stay home)?

Or, new/used home sales (delay the purchases to post COVID)?

I say this was selective enforcement.

You know "money talks and b****t walks"

Hey, I can’t get my hair cut....

[jacksonbrown]

Hey, I can’t get my hair cut....

I see that as a direct health hazard.

But dog grooming?

Come on.

[Jayhawk]

I see that as a direct health hazard.

But dog grooming?

Come on.

Agree, this is not fair. If she sold pet products, boarded pets, or worked at a vet office, grooming is not restricted by the governor's order.

[Foxtrot]

Dogs and Cats can have the coronavirus also. Shut it down.

[vintageogauge]

Certain breeds of dogs need to be groomed on a regular basis as hair grows in their ears and anal hair needs to be removed, in addition their nails need to be trimmed. Our dog is black and was scheduled for grooming on the 14th, he'll be in misery when walking in the heat as he has a very thick coat that needs to be thinned out every 5 or 6 weeks.

[John_W]

For the 12 years my Cocker Spaniel was with us, I trimmed her hair myself. I had bought an Oster A5 from Pet Smart, it works great, it's professional and heavy duty. It comes with guards so you don't cut too close, but after you get good with it, you won't really need them.

I just checked and Chewy and Amazon are out, but I found them for sale for $120 on eBay in stock in Georgia, which is cheaper than those two.

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[Gpsma]

Dogs and Cats can have the coronavirus also. Shut it down.

And your degree in medicine, veterinary medicine, and epidemiology is from what university?

[golfing eagles]

Dogs and Cats can have the coronavirus also. Shut it down.

Sort of true. They have been doing research into animal transmission of COVID-19. Some species are more susceptible than other, cats much more so than dogs. There was only one case of an infected dog in Hong Kong (that we know of). Cats were able to transmit the virus to other cats. A tiger in the Bronx Zoo got it from a handler. To date, however, there are no known cases of animal to human transmission, although this whole thing may have started with bats in an open meat market in Wuhan.

[vintageogauge]

The Lady Lake groomer was shut down because it was not essential however in the list of open businesses today the Flag and Flagpole store in Lady Lake is open and Wolfgang, a groomer and dog supply store is open in Brownwood where people are dropping got their pets curbside. Why is a flag store considered essential.

[retiredguy123]

For the 12 years my Cocker Spaniel was with us, I trimmed her hair myself. I had bought an Oster A5 from Pet Smart, it works great, it's professional and heavy duty. It comes with guards so you don't cut too close, but after you get good with it, you won't really need them.

I just checked and Chewy and Amazon are out, but I found them for sale for $120 on eBay in stock in Georgia, which is cheaper than those two.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5msAAOSw5nxejfyI/s-l640.png

Oster A5 Turbo 2-speed 78005-314 Professional Animal Dog Pet Clipper 10 Piece for sale online | eBay (https://www.ebay.com/c/1390077339)
There are several models available on Amazon with free Prime shipping for about $130. For people like me, who would never order anything from Ebay. Although, I don't have a pet.

[John_W]

There are several models available on Amazon with free Prime shipping for about $130. For people like me, who would never order anything from Ebay. Although, I don't have a pet.

Most of the shears on Amazon are the same Oster A5, except eBay was cheaper and in stock, some on Amazon were out of stock, this seller was in stock and in Georgia. I have the same shears in the closet right now I bought 20 years ago, they're very good, that's why I recommended the Oster A5.

As far as eBay, you obviously have an opinion but it's not based on fact. I've been a member since 2004 and have purchased over 600 items and sold over 200 items, never had a problem. I've purchased about 50 items from Amazon during that time. What I don't like about Amazon is if you select free shipping, the item can be in stock as close as the Tampa area, but they'll sit on the shipment for 5 days because you didn't pay for Prime. eBay is a group of sellers and they live and die with feedback, provide poor service and you'll get bad feedback. For the most part, I only select dealers with free shipping and I find they'll generally ship that day or the next. I just purchased in February 24 old TV and movie 8x10 photos to put on the wall. Probably used 15 dealers and everyone arrived perfectly wrapped and within a week. Also most buyers pay with Paypal, your payment is guaranteed through them.

Here's the photos, I don't believe I could of bought these from Amazon, or for as cheap and as quickly as I got them. The frames with glass I did buy from walmart.com, $14 for 6 glass front frames individually bubble-wrapped. I like Walmart just as much or more if they have the item. They are actually trying harder to keep up with Amazon.

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Here's a actual better offer that I would chose over the Georgia seller. Even though it's $8 higher and they're in Nebraska, their feedback is 49,738 and it's 99.5%, that's really a good seller. The volume is probably close to 100,000 since half the people don't leave feedback, and many who do is because they felt they were wronged. To have that many and to be so high, I would have no fear in buying from them with Paypal.

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[retiredguy123]

I understand your view on eBay. But, I did know a friend who ordered a camera from a seller on eBay, paid $100 to the seller, but never got the camera. It could have been that the Postal service put the camera in the wrong mailbox, but my friend had no recourse. I also won't use PayPal because I believe that some merchants use it as a way to bypass the Federal credit card dispute protections. I may be overly cautious, but I will only buy from merchants who will accept a direct credit card payment. That way, I know that if I don't receive the item, or it is defective, I will not have to pay for it. I buy almost everything from Amazon. Just my opinion.

[JoMar]

Does anyone remember the days when only the uber rich could afford dog groomers, when we took our dogs outside put them in a tub and washed them weekly and then dried them with a large towel.....when the term service dog didn't exist and dogs weren't allowed in stores or restaurants?

[DianeM]

Does anyone remember the days when only the uber rich could afford dog groomers, when we took our dogs outside put them in a tub and washed them weekly and then dried them with a large towel.....when the term service dog didn't exist and dogs weren't allowed in stores or restaurants?

No actually I don’t.

[JoMar]

No actually I don’t.

Wow...a young'un :)

[DianeM]

Wow...a young'un :)

Not so young but from the time I was 10, I have always taken dogs to be groomed. And since we lived in a small apartment in New York, we were anything but Uber rich.

[John_W]

...I also won't use PayPal because I believe that some merchants use it as a way to bypass the Federal credit card dispute protections. I may be overly cautious, but I will only buy from merchants who will accept a direct credit card payment. That way, I know that if I don't receive the item, or it is defective, I will not have to pay for it. I buy almost everything from Amazon. Just my opinion.

Actually, if it weren't for Paypal, eBay would not exist. 99% of the sellers on eBay would never be able to get their own credit card account and processing terminal. I had a homebased business for twenty years. In 1992 when I founded my company, most credit card processors wanted to take 5 to 7% of the sale and then there was a lot of stipulations to even get an account. I found only two banks in all of Baltimore that I was able to get an account and at only 2% because I had a brick and mortar store for ten years beforehand.

Without the ability to accept a credit card, a buyer would have to get a money order and mail it to the seller and hope the letter arrives and the seller actually sends the item, and hope there is no dispute. That would seriously curtain a lot selling. By having Paypal anyone on eBay can accept credit cards.

Paypal is no different than Amazon, you put your credit card on file. Except if you have a dispute, it first goes to Paypal and they will settle it in favor of the party that was wronged. However, if you don't agree you still have the ability to go to your credit card company, so you have double the protection.

Another way this helped eBay get started was 20 years ago, many people still didn't have credit cards, or some people don't qualify and they don't want to send a money order. Your account with Paypal you can put money into the account or connect your checking account. So you can avoid ever having to send money through the mail and you con't need a credit card. This is why Elon Musk is so rich, he started Paypal. I find many other companies accept Paypal as well. I just bought a birdhouse from a website and they accept Paypal. Rather then going and getting my CC and giving them the info, I just select Paypal and it's all done.

[EdFNJ]

I understand your view on eBay. But, I did know a friend who ordered a camera from a seller on eBay, paid $100 to the seller, but never got the camera. It could have been that the Postal service put the camera in the wrong mailbox, but my friend had no recourse. I also won't use PayPal because I believe that some merchants use it as a way to bypass the Federal credit card dispute protections. I may be overly cautious, but I will only buy from merchants who will accept a direct credit card payment. That way, I know that if I don't receive the item, or it is defective, I will not have to pay for it. I buy almost everything from Amazon. Just my opinion. If you use PayPal with your credit card as the payment rather than your bank account method you're covered by PayPal OR your credit card company. eBay and many other sellers not even using eBay take credit card but use PayPal as their payment processor which is why you are covered. Been selling and buying on eBay since 1998 (1400 100% positive feedback) with maybe 2 buying problems but they were all resolved immediately and without hassle by eBay. Even if PayPal doesn't you can then still dispute through your credit card. Even PayPal and eBay says you can do that but if you do you give up their protection. As for your friend, if there was tracking saying the item was delivered that would be a problem but it would be a problem even with a credit card. If there was no tracking then PayPal/eBay or CC would likely find for the BUYER. The biggest complain now about eBay is that 99% of the cases are settled in favor of the BUYER whether deserved or not. I can personally vouch for that as a seller.

And PayPal split with eBay in 2014.

[retiredguy123]

If you use PayPal with your credit card as the payment rather than your bank account method you're covered by PayPal OR your credit card company. eBay and many other sellers not even using eBay take credit card but use PayPal as their payment processor which is why you are covered. Been selling and buying on eBay since 1998 (1400 100% positive feedback) with maybe 2 buying problems but they were all resolved immediately and without hassle by eBay. Even if PayPal doesn't you can then still dispute through your credit card. Even PayPal and eBay says you can do that but if you do you give up their protection. As for your friend, if there was tracking saying the item was delivered that would be a problem but it would be a problem even with a credit card. If there was no tracking then PayPal/eBay or CC would likely find for the BUYER. The biggest complain now about eBay is that 99% of the cases are settled in favor of the BUYER whether deserved or not. I can personally vouch for that as a seller.

And PayPal split with eBay in 2014.
I recently read the PayPal terms regarding credit card purchases, and I agree that they now allow you to dispute credit card charges with your bank as if you purchased directly from the seller. That was not always their policy. But, I'm a little confused as to why the eBay sellers don't just accept direct credit card payments, and why I would ever allow PayPal to "arbitrate" a payment dispute when I can dispute the charge with my bank and have the full dispute protections provided by Federal law. I make almost all purchases with a credit card for this reason. So, why does PayPal even need to have an arbitration policy for credit card purchases? Also, when you purchase something on eBay, do you get the manufacturer's warranty on the item? Call me skeptical.

[coffeebean]

And your degree in medicine, veterinary medicine, and epidemiology is from what university?

I saw on the news a tiger contracted Covid-19 from the zoo keeper. I don't have any of those degrees you mentioned but that tiger is still sick but thankfully will recover.

[John_W]

...But, I'm a little confused as to why the eBay sellers don't just accept direct credit card payments, and why I would ever allow PayPal to "arbitrate" a payment dispute when I can dispute the charge with my bank and have the full dispute protections provided by Federal law. I make almost all purchases with a credit card for this reason. So, why does PayPal even need to have an arbitration policy for credit card purchases? Also, when you purchase something on eBay, do you get the manufacturer's warranty on the item? Call me skeptical.

The first paragraph of my post #18 would of told you, that for a homebased seller to get a credit card account is almost impossible. You think you can just start taking credit cards for sales? What would do with the numbers? You need an account, as Ringo said, that don't come easy without a brick and mortar storefront. In all of Baltimore i only found two banks that would give me one, and only because I had previously owned a store with an account for ten years, if not for that, I would of not gotten an account. That's why I said eBay would not exist without Paypal. Would you buy from Amazon if you had to send a money order to the seller everytime? Same difference.

You use Paypal for the dispute because as the previous poster had said, 99% of the time, the buyer wins. It's done within a couple of weeks, they know the situation, they know what's going. Your CC company is still there as a backup, but with them, you need to call, wait for a letter to arrive, fill out the letter and then submit and then wait probably 30 days for a response. Time consuming at least.

Why does Paypal need a policy, why not, it's money changing hands for a product. If it were a perfect world, you're right, they wouldn't need a policy. Just think of everything in terms that you're familiar with, Amazon, it's no different, just the words are different and you have an extra layer of protection. Amazon doesn't guarantee your transaction, you need to go straight to your credit card company right away with Amazon, no backup such as Paypal.

[EdFNJ]

Also, when you purchase something on eBay, do you get the manufacturer's warranty on the item? Call me skeptical. The answer to that would be probably 80/20 NO unless the seller was either an authorized reseller for the product or the manufacturer itself which can be found on ebay. Things like an iPhone, YES because they go by original registration date but some manufacturers don't want you to buy off eBay because the sellers would undercut their "authorized" outlets. I just bought a new sealed iPad Mini for 1/2 the retail and had no problem with Apple warranty when activated. Remember, eBay is basically a "flea market" and just like a brick & mortar (so to speak) flea market you find lots of stuff there that is new but wouldn't be covered. Then there is the grey market stuff (cameras, TVs etc). Original manufacturers won't warranty it but well known and highly respected stores like B&H tell you up front it's grey market and THEY warranty it. Depends on what's worth more to the buyer, cheap price or warranty. If you are looking for brand spankin' new with full warranty you need to do your due diligence on eBay or pay the piper at a retail store. I'd check with the actual manufacturers website to see if they cover eBay purchases. MOST will say NO.