Virus on golf courses?

[Herbflosdorf]

The villages waste water treatment plants discharge their effluent to storage ponds on our golf courses and then re-use that water via spray irrigation. Question: Are the corona viruses surviving the treatment and disinfection processes and then being distributed via aerosol spray irrigation? The Villages should be testing all effluent for Corona Virus before any further spray irrigation.

[Mosells]

Sounds prudent to me. But if the virus was spread that way shouldn’t we have way more people infected?

[graciegirl]

The villages waste water treatment plants discharge their effluent to storage ponds on our golf courses and then re-use that water via spray irrigation. Question: Are the corona viruses surviving the treatment and disinfection processes and then being distributed via aerosol spray irrigation? The Villages should be testing all effluent for Corona Virus before any further spray irrigation.



I was wrong. Here it says that the wastewater used for irrigation is treated to meet certain standards. I don't know what the standards are.

Village Community Development Districts

[golfing eagles]

The villages waste water treatment plants discharge their effluent to storage ponds on our golf courses and then re-use that water via spray irrigation. Question: Are the corona viruses surviving the treatment and disinfection processes and then being distributed via aerosol spray irrigation? The Villages should be testing all effluent for Corona Virus before any further spray irrigation.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Studies show 68.4% of UFOs that land on golf courses carry Covid-19 as well

[rustyp]

STOP....stop, please stop. This is misleading and incorrect.

The Villages use RETENTION PONDS to water, and to protect against flooding by raising and lowering. It doesn't come from toilets, but may contain alligator ****. The Villages waste treatment plants are not used for irrigation for ANYTHING.

The use of retention ponds for irrigation water for lawns happens south of 466.

From the VCDD website
Golf Course Irrigation:

North of CR 466, golf courses are irrigated with a combination of reclaimed wastewater, storm water runoff that is collected in water retention areas, and groundwater (some upper Floridan and some Lower Floridan, depending on the specific course).
South of CR 466 all golf courses are irrigated with a combination of reclaimed wastewater and lower Floridan groundwater.

[biker1]

Wrong. Treated water from the waste water treatment plants is used for irrigating the golf courses, along with water from retention ponds and other sources. However, treated water is not used for residential irrigation north of 44. How do I know this? I asked.

STOP....stop, please stop. This is misleading and incorrect.

The Villages use RETENTION PONDS to water, and to protect against flooding by raising and lowering. It doesn't come from toilets, but may contain alligator ****. The Villages waste treatment plants are not used for irrigation for ANYTHING.

The use of retention ponds for irrigation water for lawns happens south of 466.

[Herbflosdorf]

STOP....stop, please stop. This is misleading and incorrect.

The Villages use RETENTION PONDS to water, and to protect against flooding by raising and lowering. It doesn't come from toilets, but may contain alligator ****. The Villages waste treatment plants are not used for irrigation for ANYTHING.

The use of retention ponds for irrigation water for lawns happens south of 466.

You are mistaken. Almost ALL of the effluent from Villages treatment plants is used to irrigate golf courses and some public areas.

[graciegirl]

You are mistaken. Almost ALL of the effluent from Villages treatment plants is used to irrigate golf courses and some public areas.

I was wrong. Here it says that the wastewater used for irrigation is treated to meet certain standards. I don't know what the standards are.

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/utilities/irrigation.aspx)

[photo1902]

STOP....stop, please stop. This is misleading and incorrect.

The Villages use RETENTION PONDS to water, and to protect against flooding by raising and lowering. It doesn't come from toilets, but may contain alligator ****. The Villages waste treatment plants are not used for irrigation for ANYTHING.

The use of retention ponds for irrigation water for lawns happens south of 466.

Simply not true.

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/Utilities/irrigation.aspx)

[Herbflosdorf]

Yes. The state has standards for treatment of waste water. But as far as I know it does NOT include any requirements to eliminate virus from the effluent. That is my question - is the treatment plant operator testing the water to confirm that there are no viruses being spread atmospherically via the spray irrigation systems?

[GoodLife]

The villages waste water treatment plants discharge their effluent to storage ponds on our golf courses and then re-use that water via spray irrigation. Question: Are the corona viruses surviving the treatment and disinfection processes and then being distributed via aerosol spray irrigation? The Villages should be testing all effluent for Corona Virus before any further spray irrigation.

CDC

CDC is reviewing all data on COVID-19 transmission as information becomes available. At this time, the risk of transmission of the virus that causes COVID-19 through sewerage systems is thought to be low. Although transmission of the virus that causes COVID-19 through sewage may be possible, there is no evidence to date that this has occurred. This guidance will be updated as necessary as new evidence is assessed.
SARS, a similar coronavirus, has been detected in untreated sewage for up to 14 days.

In the 2003 SARS outbreak, there was documented transmission associated with sewage aerosols. The available information suggests that standard municipal wastewater system chlorination practices may be sufficient to inactivate coronaviruses, as long as utilities monitor free available chlorine during treatment to ensure it has not been depleted.

Wastewater and sewage workers should use standard practices, practice basic hygiene precautions, and wear personal protective equipment (PPE) as prescribed for current work tasks.

Water Transmission and COVID-19: Questions and Answers (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/water.html)

[DonH57]

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Studies show 68.4% of UFOs that land on golf courses carry Covid-19 as well

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Stop laughing. You got me doing it now !:1rotfl::1rotfl::

[CWGUY]

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Studies show 68.4% of UFOs that land on golf courses carry Covid-19 as well

:oops: Now you've done it...... people will be hoarding tin foil to make hats. :icon_wink:

[Bogie Shooter]

The villages waste water treatment plants discharge their effluent to storage ponds on our golf courses and then re-use that water via spray irrigation. Question: Are the corona viruses surviving the treatment and disinfection processes and then being distributed via aerosol spray irrigation? The Villages should be testing all effluent for Corona Virus before any further spray irrigation.

Contact information, give them a call.....
VCDD Utilities/Amenities (https://districtgov.org/departments/Utilities/utilities.aspx)

[karostay]

Id be more worried about e coli

[Challenger]

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Studies show 68.4% of UFOs that land on golf courses carry Covid-19 as well

"Chicken Little " your model is flawed only 37per cent of the Sky is falling. Fake news

[blueash]

Researchers are testing wastewater, pre-treatment, to try to estimate the prevalence (https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/07/new-research-wastewater-community-spread-covid-19/) of Covid in the community. Similar testing was done in Holland. (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.29.20045880v1)
Importantly these tested for pieces of Covid RNA not for intact infectious whole viruses.

This is not a new idea (https://aem.asm.org/content/80/21/6771).

Testing wastewater can be useful to detect the presence of a virus in the community before clinical cases might be found. Similarly when wastewater becomes negative it is likely the virus is no longer circulating.

This again, does not document that wastewater is infectious even before treatment, nor whether the treatment of wastewater would kill intact Covid if it were present.

So while golfing eagle may be rolling on the ground laughing about whether there might be a risk of using wastewater on the golf course, others are not laughing (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200403132347.htm).

Two researchers, Haizhou Liu, an associate professor of chemical and environmental engineering at the University of California, Riverside; and Professor Vincenzo Naddeo, director of the Sanitary Environmental Engineering Division at the University of Salerno, have called for more testing to determine whether water treatment methods are effective in killing SARS-CoV-19 and coronaviruses in general.

An article (https://www.wateronline.com/doc/coronavirus-and-the-water-cycle-here-is-what-treatment-professionals-need-to-know-0001) meant to reassure that there is no risk has this:

So far, this virus does not appear to survive well in the environment and can be eliminated effectively by water treatment, especially chlorination, and would pose a minimal risk through drinking water.

Note that the reassurance is for drinking water that has been chlorinated. Drinking water is held to a much higher requirement than irrigation water. That's why there is a warning sign at each golf course that the water is not potable [not safe for drinking].

I do not know what method is used here to treat grey water, nor whether chlorine is specifically used at a level adequate to be viricidal.

[asianthree]

The villages waste water treatment plants discharge their effluent to storage ponds on our golf courses and then re-use that water via spray irrigation. Question: Are the corona viruses surviving the treatment and disinfection processes and then being distributed via aerosol spray irrigation? The Villages should be testing all effluent for Corona Virus before any further spray irrigation.

Interesting post of only 4 times. The barber who is working out of his home, said all the water used on the golf courses is coming from the area hospitals, hoping to drum up more business from local golfers :popcorn

[GoodLife]

So while golfing eagle may be rolling on the ground laughing about whether there might be a risk of using wastewater on the golf course, others are not laughing.

Now that is funny!

[golfing eagles]

:oops: Now you've done it...... people will be hoarding tin foil to make hats. :icon_wink:

Looks like there are plenty of people already wearing their tin foil hats

[golfing eagles]

Researchers are testing wastewater, pre-treatment, to try to estimate the prevalence (https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/07/new-research-wastewater-community-spread-covid-19/) of Covid in the community. Similar testing was done in Holland. (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.29.20045880v1)
Importantly these tested for pieces of Covid RNA not for intact infectious whole viruses.

This is not a new idea (https://aem.asm.org/content/80/21/6771).

Testing wastewater can be useful to detect the presence of a virus in the community before clinical cases might be found. Similarly when wastewater becomes negative it is likely the virus is no longer circulating.

This again, does not document that wastewater is infectious even before treatment, nor whether the treatment of wastewater would kill intact Covid if it were present.

So while golfing eagle may be rolling on the ground laughing about whether there might be a risk of using wastewater on the golf course, others are not laughing (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200403132347.htm).



An article (https://www.wateronline.com/doc/coronavirus-and-the-water-cycle-here-is-what-treatment-professionals-need-to-know-0001) meant to reassure that there is no risk has this:



Note that the reassurance is for drinking water that has been chlorinated. Drinking water is held to a much higher requirement than irrigation water. That's why there is a warning sign at each golf course that the water is not potable [not safe for drinking].

I do not know what method is used here to treat grey water, nor whether chlorine is specifically used at a level adequate to be viricidal.

And if I see people taking a shower in their lawn sprinklers, I'll be more serious, well just a little more. Until then, the aluminum foil is in aisle 7.

[DianeM]

The villages waste water treatment plants discharge their effluent to storage ponds on our golf courses and then re-use that water via spray irrigation. Question: Are the corona viruses surviving the treatment and disinfection processes and then being distributed via aerosol spray irrigation? The Villages should be testing all effluent for Corona Virus before any further spray irrigation.

If you’re concerned, simple solution is to stay off the golf courses. Conundrum solved

[golfing eagles]

If you’re concerned, simple solution is to stay off the golf courses. Conundrum solved

Not so easy. For those "concerned", the lawn sprinklers south of 466 use the same water

[DianeM]

Not so easy. For those "concerned", the lawn sprinklers south of 466 use the same water

I’m not concerned. I don’t see little green molecules in the water. I think it’s just fine.

[rustyp]

If you are interested sign up for The Villages Residents Academy and part of the course is a trip to the sewer treatment plant. I'm assuming this is still part of the course along with another day trip to a fire hall.They show how they decontaminate the waste water step by step and explain how they pump the reclaimed water into the retention ponds. They were very proud of the high standard of the end product. They explained the biggest issue about drinking it would be it is pumped into open retention ponds which exposes the water to animal affluent and algaes.

[Bogie Shooter]

Researchers are testing wastewater, pre-treatment, to try to estimate the prevalence (https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/07/new-research-wastewater-community-spread-covid-19/) of Covid in the community. Similar testing was done in Holland. (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.29.20045880v1)
Importantly these tested for pieces of Covid RNA not for intact infectious whole viruses.

This is not a new idea (https://aem.asm.org/content/80/21/6771).

Testing wastewater can be useful to detect the presence of a virus in the community before clinical cases might be found. Similarly when wastewater becomes negative it is likely the virus is no longer circulating.

This again, does not document that wastewater is infectious even before treatment, nor whether the treatment of wastewater would kill intact Covid if it were present.

So while golfing eagle may be rolling on the ground laughing about whether there might be a risk of using wastewater on the golf course, others are not laughing (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200403132347.htm).



An article (https://www.wateronline.com/doc/coronavirus-and-the-water-cycle-here-is-what-treatment-professionals-need-to-know-0001) meant to reassure that there is no risk has this:



Note that the reassurance is for drinking water that has been chlorinated. Drinking water is held to a much higher requirement than irrigation water. That's why there is a warning sign at each golf course that the water is not potable [not safe for drinking].

I do not know what method is used here to treat grey water, nor whether chlorine is specifically used at a level adequate to be viricidal.

Go to the link I posted in #14. Further there a link there for the standards being met.

[Topspinmo]

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Stop laughing. You got me doing it now !:1rotfl::1rotfl::

I heard that 68.9% of all golfer’s have experienced UFO’s. FOUR!

[blueash]

Go to the link I posted in #14. Further there a link there for the standards being met.

Several clicks further gets me to
62-600.440 : Disinfection Requirements - Florida Administrative Rules, Law, Code, Register - FAC, FAR, eRulemaking (https://www.flrules.org/gateway/RuleNo.asp?title=DOMESTIC%20WASTEWATER%20FACILITIE S&ID=62-600.440)

I downloaded the "RULE"

where several alternative methods of wastewater treatment are allowed. All are considered acceptable if they kill almost all of the coliforms such as E coli. As to whether killing almost all coliforms automatically means that the treatment also kills Covid is above my pay grade and I can't find the answer online.

[blueash]

A new report (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.12.20062679v1) on COVID in wastewater.

Time course quantitative detection of SARS-CoV-2 in Parisian wastewaters correlates with COVID-19 confirmed cases | medRxiv (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.12.20062679v1)

From Paris France. The researchers tested untreated and treated wastewater from 3 major treatment plants from early March to early April. They wanted to see if testing wastewater could help define the presence of the disease in the community
23 of 23 untreated samples were positive by quantitative PCR testing. This testing gives a measure of how much viral material is present, not just yes/no. This is raw sewage.

6 of 8 treated samples were positive. The treated samples showed a 100 times reduction in viral load.

The article does not indicate the methodology of treatment used in Paris.

[zonerboy]

If viruses survived The Villages wastewater treatment and were present in irrigation water used in yards and on golf courses, I don’t think we’d have to worry about Covid-19. We would all be dead from HIV or from one of the many forms of viral hepatitis or from viral encephalitis, etc.

[biker1]

Treated water from the waste water treatment plants is not used for residential lawn irrigation north of 44. It is my understanding that it is/might be used for residential lawn irrigation south of 44.

If viruses survived The Villages wastewater treatment and were present in irrigation water used in yards and on golf courses, I don’t think we’d have to worry about Covid-19. We would all be dead from HIV or from one of the many forms of viral hepatitis or from viral encephalitis, etc.

[blueash]

If viruses survived The Villages wastewater treatment and were present in irrigation water used in yards and on golf courses, I don’t think we’d have to worry about Covid-19. We would all be dead from HIV or from one of the many forms of viral hepatitis or from viral encephalitis, etc.

What happens with one virus cannot be assumed to happen with a different virus. But more to the point you made. The prevalence of HIV is very low, the prevalence of viral encephalitis is even lower. Other than hepatitis A, the other hepatitis viruses are not spread by fecal transmission Thus the likelihood of those viruses being in wastewater is much lower than the likelihood of significant COVID.

I agree that it is extremely unlikely that infectious COVID is going to be spread by treated wastewater, I think it was an interesting question, and it is not ruled out by the absence of spread of HIV, Hepatitis, or encephalitis. In many cases of Hepatitis A which is fecal oral, the source is not determined. However it is worth pointing out that sewage workers do not have an increased risk of Hep A despite their potential exposure to even untreated sewage. Hep A survives up to months outside the body.

It's always good to learn new stuff.

[wisbad1]

Simply not true.

Village Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/Utilities/irrigation.aspx)
So turds are plugging my sprinkler heads? I knew it!

[ColdNoMore]

A lot of the poorer residents in the surrounding communities, view The Villages as a development primarily for... "the effluent."


I guess in a way...they are correct.




:D

[ditka41]

It is strongly suggested that you hold your breath if you're close to a sprinkler anywhere in The Villages. Especially be on the alert for the lawn sprinkler that may be spraying into the street as you go by on your golf cart, bicycle, or skateboard. Naturally, secure the mask on your pooch. Please pass the foil...