Will we ever get back to normal?

[rockandroller]

This breaks my heart

When The World Stopped - Stunning Scenes From A Global Lockdown | Zero Hedge (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/when-world-stopped-stunning-images-global-lockdown)

the scene of the the Arc de Triomphe and an empty Champs Elysees.

As an avid cyclist, anticipating this year's Tour de France, which probably won't be held, this scene is troubling.

Cyclist or not, you must visit this venue once in your life. So full of majesty and history.

[karostay]

Not the normal we knew 8 weeks ago..Social interactions will be dramatically altered for the foreseeable future

[JoMar]

I remember my grand parents reaction to the post depression age, my parents reaction to the post WWII age. It changed their lives. I suspect we will see lasting impacts on behavior from this, especially if it returns in the fall and may take a generation to move on.

[DianeM]

We have learned that it’s okay not to live in a whirlwind of fake activity spent with people we barely know

[B767drvr]

We have learned that it’s okay not to live in a whirlwind of fake activity spent with people we barely know

:popcorn:

[DianeM]

:popcorn:

Enjoy your popcorn

[B767drvr]

Enjoy your popcorn

I like you DianeM. You seem like a real pistol and not afraid to voice an opinion. Still waiting for the fireworks though...:popcorn:

[DianeM]

I like you DianeM. You seem like a real pistol and not afraid to voice an opinion. Still waiting for the fireworks though...:popcorn:

Thank you. Just stating reality. Fireworks - big deal.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

We have learned that it’s okay not to live in a whirlwind of fake activity spent with people we barely know

Sure, the lesson could be don't do it if your heart's not in it, but for a lot of us, perhaps the majority, we come to the Villages to engage in cheesy activities with people we barely know.

Now it remains to be seen just how viable TV's 3000 or so clubs will be after this storm. I think attendance will be cut by half on average for just about all activities until we have a vaccine or effective treatment. Could be a good thing. What do you all think?

Good post. Thanks OP.

[DianeM]

Sure, the lesson could be don't do it if your heart's not in it, but for a lot of us, perhaps the majority, we come to the Villages to engage in cheesy activities with people we barely know.

Now it remains to be seen just how viable TV's 3000 or so clubs will be after this storm. I think attendance will be cut by half on average for just about all activities until we have a vaccine or effective treatment. Could be a good thing. What do you all think?

Good post. Thanks OP.


What I was trying to say - which did not come out properly - is that with having had so much private time, we will have learned to entertain ourselves.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We have learned that it’s okay not to live in a whirlwind of fake activity spent with people we barely know

What I was trying to say - which did not come out properly - is that with having had so much private time, we will have learned to entertain ourselves.

Yeah that definitely didn't come out even close to how you say it in the second post. The first post "sounded" like 100% pure unfiltered snark and condescension against a pretty significant demographic of the community, who moved here BECAUSE it was a beautiful facade where they could mingle with people they barely knew.

The second one sounds less like a vicious attack, and more like a reasonable consideration of your perception of facts.

I'd suggest too, that some of us are (more or less) homebodies already, and have little trouble keeping ourselves entertained. There's definitely a segment of the population that thrives on group activity though. Hopefully they'll learn to adjust, and learn to sincerely enjoy the quiet activities of home life.

[tophcfa]

This breaks my heart

When The World Stopped - Stunning Scenes From A Global Lockdown | Zero Hedge (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/when-world-stopped-stunning-images-global-lockdown)

the scene of the the Arc de Triomphe and an empty Champs Elysees.

As an avid cyclist, anticipating this year's Tour de France, which probably won't be held, this scene is troubling.

Cyclist or not, you must visit this venue once in your life. So full of majesty and history.

The masters already got canceled, as an avid golfer, bike rider, and swimmer, this really Suc$s. Oh well, the new normal will eventually return!

[DianeM]

Yeah that definitely didn't come out even close to how you say it in the second post. The first post "sounded" like 100% pure unfiltered snark and condescension against a pretty significant demographic of the community, who moved here BECAUSE it was a beautiful facade where they could mingle with people they barely knew.

The second one sounds less like a vicious attack, and more like a reasonable consideration of your perception of facts.

I'd suggest too, that some of us are (more or less) homebodies already, and have little trouble keeping ourselves entertained. There's definitely a segment of the population that thrives on group activity though. Hopefully they'll learn to adjust, and learn to sincerely enjoy the quiet activities of home life.

I’m an only child. I’ve always known how to entertain myself from childhood. I have very little need of the outside world and distrust most of the people in it. Most will screw you as fast as look at you. Worked forever (just like most) and more than happy to stay in. Not having any problem with staying home though I do miss the freedom to go to places currently closed.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I’m an only child. I’ve always known how to entertain myself from childhood. I have very little need of the outside world and distrust most. Worked forever (just like most) and more than happy to stay in. Not having any problem with staying home though I do miss the freedom to go places currently closed.

I have a sibling but I was an awkward kid and somewhat of a bookworm growing up. Did the summer camp thing, had a love-hate relationship with it. Loved the camp, hated my fellow campers. I like being outdoors - but more by myself, than in social situations. That's why I like riding my bike and walking. I don't feel obligated to be in anyone else's company.

But, like you, it's nice to know company is available. Enjoying solitude isn't the same as forced isolation.

[DianeM]

I have a sibling but I was an awkward kid and somewhat of a bookworm growing up. Did the summer camp thing, had a love-hate relationship with it. Loved the camp, hated my fellow campers. I like being outdoors - but more by myself, than in social situations. That's why I like riding my bike and walking. I don't feel obligated to be in anyone else's company.

But, like you, it's nice to know company is available. Enjoying solitude isn't the same as forced isolation.

Always hated the great outdoors and still do. I had to quit Girl Scouts because our troop leader insisted I had to go camping in a tent no less. Wasn’t ever going to happen. There are bugs and creepy things out there. LOL.

[Mendy]

The masters already got canceled, as an avid golfer, bike rider, and swimmer, this really Suc$s. Oh well, the new normal will eventually return!

The Masters was not canceled, just postponed until November. 3 Majors and the Ryder Cup all between August and November. Fall golf will be great!!

[asianthree]

Groceries still come to the front door, eating out is the same, Amazon still stops by every week.

The only thing that changed is my 6 week vaca is now at 8 weeks and counting. It’s Groundhog Day, over, and over, and over.

[DAN48]

We can and will get back to normal, but a "revised normal". All of the problems with the Covid-19 outbreak is a reminder of what our ancestors lived with in World Wars I and II. They lived through a much worse and much longer saga of adjustment and then recovery.

Can you also imagine the horror of the Black Plague? Science and understanding of virus, bacteria, and disease were not even remotely developed!

We will get through this, but no one will forget it.

[davem4616]

The only thing constant in life is change....we'll evolve to a 'new normal'

most of us will adapt, move on and experience joy...those that don't/won't will endure a different life

[MOMOH]

Why should the segment of the population that "thrives on group activity" have to adjust and learn to enjoy the quiet activities? Everyone should embrace what keeps them alive and not have to adjust to the standards of others.

[Rosebud1949]

This is the biggest wake up call of our generation......... I hope folk think about it, deal with it, be safe from it, and above all learn from it.

[msilagy]

Does this isolation have to do with people who are their own best friend faring better than those that seek out others to complete their existence?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

We have learned that it’s okay not to live in a whirlwind of fake activity spent with people we barely know

That's a bit harsh. I have made a lot of good friends through the various clubs and activities here in The Villages. I wouldn't categorize many of the them as people that I barely know.

We all barely knew everyone in our lives at some point. We had to get to know them. And how is it "fake" activity? I'm sure that an activity can be fake.

[jonathanb]

That has to be the quote of the day. So true.

[DianeM]

That's a bit harsh. I have made a lot of good friends through the various clubs and activities here in The Villages. I wouldn't categorize many of the them as people that I barely know.

We all barely knew everyone in our lives at some point. We had to get to know them. And how is it "fake" activity? I'm sure that an activity can be fake.

Read my follow up post

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Does this isolation have to do with people who are their own best friend faring better than those that seek out others to complete their existence?

Where are you getting this information? I thought the consensus was that the opposite is true.

Or do you mean it's healthier to be alright with solitude when appropriate rather than always "needing" to associate with other(s)? I think the best approach is a balance between enjoying solitude but also taking advantage of the benefits of community.

[merrymini]

Does the common flu keep you in? It is estimated that 28,000 to 60,000 people in the US die from it every year. Those numbers should also indicate how accurate estimates are. About 40,000 people die in car accidents every year and nobody blinks. I will be glad to have my freedom back to do as I please.

[600th Photo Sq]

This breaks my heart

When The World Stopped - Stunning Scenes From A Global Lockdown | Zero Hedge (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/when-world-stopped-stunning-images-global-lockdown)

the scene of the the Arc de Triomphe and an empty Champs Elysees.

As an avid cyclist, anticipating this year's Tour de France, which probably won't be held, this scene is troubling.

Cyclist or not, you must visit this venue once in your life. So full of majesty and history.

Excellent advice. Beautiful, plus a trip down the Seine River while drinking champagne soaking up the views.

The one other thing I won't forget paying 16 Euros for a 10 ounce Coke. :a040:

[michaelUK]

Sure, the lesson could be don't do it if your heart's not in it, but for a lot of us, perhaps the majority, we come to the Villages to engage in cheesy activities with people we barely know.

Now it remains to be seen just how viable TV's 3000 or so clubs will be after this storm. I think attendance will be cut by half on average for just about all activities until we have a vaccine or effective treatment. Could be a good thing. What do you all think?

Good post. Thanks OP.

I take your point but it's worth mentioning that social activities, even cheesy ones, are closely correlated with longevity, personal growth, and often some unexpected fun.

[nancy@kilreabailiff.com]

We have learned that it’s okay not to live in a whirlwind of fake activity spent with people we barely know

So true! Time to get back to our roots and spending time with people who really matter to us. ❤️

[leiban20]

We have learned that it’s okay not to live in a whirlwind of fake activity spent with people we barely know

i am agreed the human kind will be different

[bumpygreens]

This hasn't been easy for an extrovert. I miss getting out and talking to different people. I'm afraid "normal" is still a ways off. We are flattening the curve, not eliminating it.

[PugMom]

Does the common flu keep you in? It is estimated that 28,000 to 60,000 people in the US die from it every year. Those numbers should also indicate how accurate estimates are. About 40,000 people die in car accidents every year and nobody blinks. I will be glad to have my freedom back to do as I please.wow, i was waiting for a post like yours, lol. i've always done my own thing, & for what it's worth, we've been on lockdown about a month now, & i've had enough of it. i decided on my own the 'quarantine' is over, & now go about my day as normally as possible like before. there is such a thing as overkill, imo. & if someone wants to stay locked in, go ahead, power to you, but i've re-joined the living :ho:

[Number 10 GI]

I seriously doubt there will be any noticeable change from what it was before. What changes were there after the all thepast flu outbreaks, none.

[billethkid]

There will not be a real opportunity to trend back toward "normal" until there is a vaccine. Then it will be no more or less a problem than the annual flu season.

Like the flu there will be significant loss of life....which has become acceptable for life to go on.

Then when people feel at least as safe as before the pandemic, life will get back to what it was before.

It remains to be seen if we have learned anything at all.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

wow, i was waiting for a post like yours, lol. i've always done my own thing, & for what it's worth, we've been on lockdown about a month now, & i've had enough of it. i decided on my own the 'quarantine' is over, & now go about my day as normally as possible like before. there is such a thing as overkill, imo. & if someone wants to stay locked in, go ahead, power to you, but i've re-joined the living :ho:

If you refuse to take precautions, then you will be most likely exposed to the virus. As someone who works with the public serving people like you, I will ask, as politely as possible (which isn't all that politely) to keep your distance from me. As far as you can keep. Miles, in fact. Maybe states. Or perhaps to some deserted island where there is ZERO chance of your germs getting within breathing distance of anyone who might be in contact with anyone who is in contact with the air I breathe at my job.

You don't need to be concerned about YOUR own health. It's not required. But our state's rules say you DO have to take precautions for MY sake. If you're not willing to do that, then find some place that doesn't have those restrictions.

[DianeM]

wow, i was waiting for a post like yours, lol. i've always done my own thing, & for what it's worth, we've been on lockdown about a month now, & i've had enough of it. i decided on my own the 'quarantine' is over, & now go about my day as normally as possible like before. there is such a thing as overkill, imo. & if someone wants to stay locked in, go ahead, power to you, but i've re-joined the living :ho:

Okay that’s great. Mind sharing where your land of the living is since everything is shut down tight and also to ensure that I don’t have to deal with your headstrong selfishness and possible contagion.

[theruizs]

We have learned that it’s okay not to live in a whirlwind of fake activity spent with people we barely know

It has sure made me think about what I am doing with my retirement years. I could go back to just having a good time, or perhaps spend more of my time in activities that are geared toward helping others. I intend to try and do the latter, I pray I do. Maybe that’s what we’re supposed to learn from things like this.

[PugMom]

Okay that’s great. Mind sharing where your land of the living is since everything is shut down tight and also to ensure that I don’t have to deal with your headstrong selfishness and possible contagion.
what i mean is this: if i feel like going out, even to take the dog for a ride, i'm doing it. no, i'm not unfeeling & respect your limits, so i will stay far away from you, the full 12 feet. but i refuse to completely shut down & blindly follow what 'experts' are saying, because they are only relying on models, which are changing by the day. so it's ok, i'll wave to you from afar while enjoying the fresh air & sunshine

[DianeM]

what i mean is this: if i feel like going out, even to take the dog for a ride, i'm doing it. no, i'm not unfeeling & respect your limits, so i will stay far away from you, the full 12 feet. but i refuse to completely shut down & blindly follow what 'experts' are saying, because they are only relying on models, which are changing by the day. so it's ok, i'll wave to you from afar while enjoying the fresh air & sunshine

No one ever said you had to stay locked in the house 24/7/365. Of course you can walk the dog and be on your lanai. You made it sound as if you were out and about like pre virus.

[Velvet]

I think that our behavior will permanently change when this virus is controlled. We will wash our hands regularly, appreciate our freedom to move around, enjoy the lack of fear each day. I think when we come out of this, we will be cleaner, stronger, more resilient and more appreciative of our wonderful life.

[DianeM]

I think that some people are so used to looking to others to be entertained that they don’t know how to keep themselves happy. Thus the need for organized activities. Someone else is needed to keep them happy. Someone else to give them comfort. They are even willing to pay for it. To me that is just sad.

As a child we lived in a rural area because we were hiding from the Communists. (My father was a leader in the revolution and my mother was trying to keep him alive.) After breakfast my parents would let me outside with my older cousin and the dog and the cat. We made up games to play in the fields, swam and fished in the river, picked fruit and nuts from our orchard. Happiest years.

So well said.

[MandoMan]

YES! We WILL get back to normal, or something like it. How long it takes depends very much on whether people can be patient and not go stir crazy. In a month or two or three or four, the time will come when there are fast, easy tests to know if people have the virus or have had it. The time will come when no one in The Villages has come down with the virus in a day, then a week, then two weeks.

Then we move to containment. Things will reopen, gradually. At first restaurants may be required to keep customers separated, but that will shift. Perhaps there will be guards taking temperatures of everyone at the gates, or at least all villagers. If someone does come down with it, instead of closing everything, there will be health guards to make sure there is a local quarantine and a careful look at contacts. We will do most of what we love doing, though we may have an extra level of stress.

People who are Immuno-compromised may remain much more vigilant than others, but eventually they too will relax.

It’s going to be okay, people. Just be patient and do the right thing.

[Jerry101]

We have learned that it’s okay not to live in a whirlwind of fake activity spent with people we barely know

It’s amazing to me how none of us think of GOD in times like this. Easter is behind us ... so let’s put the message of a risen Savior behind us too. No!!! We need to be strong in our FAITH! We have time on our hands! Can’t we use it in a positive way? We need to reflect on our world and country and ask for GOD’s help ... in JESUS name!

[DianeM]

YES! We WILL get back to normal, or something like it. How long it takes depends very much on whether people can be patient and not go stir crazy. In a month or two or three or four, the time will come when there are fast, easy tests to know if people have the virus or have had it. The time will come when no one in The Villages has come down with the virus in a day, then a week, then two weeks.

Then we move to containment. Things will reopen, gradually. At first restaurants may be required to keep customers separated, but that will shift. Perhaps there will be guards taking temperatures of everyone at the gates, or at least all villagers. If someone does come down with it, instead of closing everything, there will be health guards to make sure there is a local quarantine and a careful look at contacts. We will do most of what we love doing, though we may have an extra level of stress.

People who are Immuno-compromised may remain much more vigilant than others, but eventually they too will relax.

It’s going to be okay, people. Just be patient and do the right thing.


Geesh - taking my temperature when I come home?
Health Guards?
Sounds rather achtung to me.

[Two Bills]

Some of this pessimism is way off.
Wife and I both grew up through WW2 and its aftermath.
Tough times to be sure. But everything got better, life goes on, and improves.
Plenty of food and water, and lets face it, many will have enough stock to see out the upcoming Hurricane season!
Give it a while, and this will be just another "Do you remember!" episode.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It’s amazing to me how none of us think of GOD in times like this. Easter is behind us ... so let’s put the message of a risen Savior behind us too. No!!! We need to be strong in our FAITH! We have time on our hands! Can’t we use it in a positive way? We need to reflect on our world and country and ask for GOD’s help ... in JESUS name!

Because faith does such a bang-up job in protecting the faithful from the ravages of a deadly virus that causes their own bodies to drown them to death.

No thanks. I'll put my faith in science. The odds are better.

[Jazzman]

The number of restaurants and small businesses here in the villages will decrease. Quite a few of these businesses are independently owned and operated. If restaurants are required to ha e a capacity of 50% that means they only need half the previous staff and who knows whether any of their former staff will even return. I’ve met a few people here that believe once the go switch is flipped on it will be like nothing happened and they’ll just go back to City Fire, Red Sauce, and country club bars etc as if nothing happened.

[retiredguy123]

The number of restaurants and small businesses here in the villages will decrease. Quite a few of these businesses are independently owned and operated. If restaurants are required to ha e a capacity of 50% that means they only need half the previous staff and who knows whether any of their former staff will even return. I’ve met a few people here that believe once the go switch is flipped on it will be like nothing happened and they’ll just go back to City Fire, Red Sauce, and country club bars etc as if nothing happened.
I wonder if a restaurant can operate at 50 percent capacity and still stay profitable?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I wonder if a restaurant can operate at 50 percent capacity and still stay profitable?

They can operate at 50% of their in-room capacity, IF they make other changes.

Well first off, they can't reduce their staff 50%. If a restaurant only has 4 cooks, and they're open 7 days a week, they can't reduce to 2 cooks. Unless each cook doesn't mind working 8 hours a day, 7 days a week, and they're not allowed to take any days off, or sick time, or vacation time, or anything else.

They can probably get away with 2-3 fewer servers per day - but not per shift. There has to be some overlap, just as there always has had to be some overlap.

The dishes need to get done, no matter how many or few there are. So someone has to load the machine, every shift. So they can't do with fewer dish washers.

What they CAN do, is increase delivery, take-out, and curb-side (or parking lot) service. I think we'll definitely see some of this becoming a trend even after the country is re-opened. I think this will be part of the "new normal."

Even driveway parties can be improved by having a restaurant bring all the goodies to the driveway for a reasonable delivery fee, or allow you to pick up the entire order in trays, and perhaps get discounts like frequent-diners - there's a pizza joint back home that sells thermal pizza bags. If you use that bag to pick up your order, they take $1 off the pie. Their reasoning: they recognize that a piping hot pizza tastes much better than a lukewarm pizza, so they want to keep it hot between their counter and your dining room table. It ensures that you'll be going back to their shop for more.

I think you'll see a lot more of this. And I think that's a great thing.

[DianeM]

It’s amazing to me how none of us think of GOD in times like this. Easter is behind us ... so let’s put the message of a risen Savior behind us too. No!!! We need to be strong in our FAITH! We have time on our hands! Can’t we use it in a positive way? We need to reflect on our world and country and ask for GOD’s help ... in JESUS name!

That’s great but it has what to do with this subject and my post specifically??

[crc19188]

The normal is constantly changing. What was the norm a second ago is now changed. Some will no longer want to socialize out of fear. Some will continue to stay six feet away. The concern of mine is how this is affecting the younger people of all races. They will be the ones that have to live with a different type of normal. They have to adjust to a stay at home order every fall and winter. This is only a concern of mine. Something to think about. STAY HEALTHY MY FRIENDS

[nututv]

This whole flu thing is looking more like the normal flu everyday as more get tested. 3 weeks ago death rate was nearly 5 percent. Now it's far less than one.

Confirmed
1,883,119
+82,328
Deaths
117,569
+6,677
Recovered
443,816
+31,282
Updated Apr 13 at 1:17 PM

What is abnormal has been societies reaction to it or should I say over-reaction. Even here you have people wanting to know names and addresses of the sick. Rather a sick thought of it's own really.
"Will we ever get back to normal?" You're looking at the new normal IMO and it's quite sad.

[billethkid]

At what level can restaurants/retail businesses survive?

Any that have been around a few years know they can operate at lower levels and survive because once upon a time they did operate at significantly less volume over the years.

Remember what some refer to as the slow season of today has a larger population present than during the busy season of 5-10 years ago.

So yes, many know how to operate a lesser level....it is where they came from to get to today's (pre-virus) levels.

And yes there will be an impact on the number of employees for that reduced level of business....until it comes back.....which it will.

[Grill Meister]

We have learned that it’s okay not to live in a whirlwind of fake activity spent with people we barely knowDiane, that a terrible shame that you should feel that way. You must feel terrible that you should live in such a shallow manner. My heart goes out to you and I hope that you will begin living meaningful times with people you barely knew and now have them as true friends.

[DianeM]

Diane, that a terrible shame that you should feel that way. You must feel terrible that you should live in such a shallow manner. My heart goes out to you and I hope that you will begin living meaningful times with people you barely knew and now have them as true friends.

You’re assuming I’m not contented. I’m perfectly fine. I have what I need. No need for your concern.

[Anne17]

You are so right Diane. I am grateful for this time to catch up, unwind, relax, breathe and let many things go. Tomorrow when we get back to "normal" I hope to keep these lessons learned as a part of my new normal.

[Anne17]

Rely on science but keep your faith in God to hold us in the palms of his hands. It is good to know He is there.

[NavyVet]

Because faith does such a bang-up job in protecting the faithful from the ravages of a deadly virus that causes their own bodies to drown them to death.

No thanks. I'll put my faith in science. The odds are better.

:bigbow: Thank you! I never understood why any intelligent being would put blind faith in an invisible made up entity. I'll take scientific proven facts every time.
"One pair of hard working hands accomplishes more than a thousand clasped in prayer."

[Two Bills]

Rely on science but keep your faith in God to hold us in the palms of his hands. It is good to know He is there.

Except when you need him!:pray:

[DianeM]

You are so right Diane. I am grateful for this time to catch up, unwind, relax, breathe and let many things go. Tomorrow when we get back to "normal" I hope to keep these lessons learned as a part of my new normal.

I’m with you.

[golfing eagles]

This whole flu thing is looking more like the normal flu everyday as more get tested. 3 weeks ago death rate was nearly 5 percent. Now it's far less than one.

Confirmed
1,883,119
+82,328
Deaths
117,569
+6,677
Recovered
443,816
+31,282
Updated Apr 13 at 1:17 PM

What is abnormal has been societies reaction to it or should I say over-reaction. Even here you have people wanting to know names and addresses of the sick. Rather a sick thought of it's own really.
"Will we ever get back to normal?" You're looking at the new normal IMO and it's quite sad.


I hate to break this to you, BUT.....

117,569 deaths/1,883,119 cases = 6.24%

Not quite the "everyday flu", which generally has a mortality of 0.1%

[manaboutown]

It is sobering to look at deaths 118,304 vs. recovered 444,492.

Of course we do not know how many have had and survived it without ever needing enough medical attention to warrant testing.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Because faith does such a bang-up job in protecting the faithful from the ravages of a deadly virus that causes their own bodies to drown them to death.

No thanks. I'll put my faith in science. The odds are better.

Yowser. I'm taking cover !!! :boom:

[NavyVet]

We have learned that it’s okay not to live in a whirlwind of fake activity spent with people we barely know

As someone with an anxiety disorder (PTSD), I have found it difficult to deal with crowds even before the pandemic happened. I've always been a homebody, so the stay home protocols have not affected my life that much. I do feel empathy towards the extroverts who must be going stir crazy. I realize we are all inconvenienced in some way, but I have little patience for those who blatantly defy the guidelines, putting everyone's health at risk. JMHO.
I also have compromised health issues so I am terrified of catching the virus, too afraid to even go to the store. Due to being on a restricted diet, the thing I miss the most is picking out my own produce, reading labels, and choosing what is safe to eat; those foods are difficult to find with all the empty shelves and lack of stock. Spouse comes home with whatever he can find, some things I can not have. I also try not to worry about all the medical appointments that have been cancelled. That is out of my control. Other than that, we are managing. I'm hopeful things will improve but it might take a long time.
We Villagers pay a LOT for this "lifestyle." I sometimes wonder what percentage of the population were unable to take advantage of the amenities (before Coronavirus) due to physical limitations that can't endure standing in long lines, overcrowding, etc. I'm sure a lot of people aren't getting their money's worth for amenities/events that really end up being only for the first come first serve healthy residents. I'll bet many of us have given up trying and just accept enjoying our overpriced homes. TV sells a lovely concept in theory to new residents, but in sheer numbers of population, it is not possible for everyone to enjoy. How ironic that now that virtually everything is closed, the social butterflies have nowhere to go and nothing to do. They'll have to amuse themselves at home ... like the rest of us already know how to do! :icon_wink:

[coffeebean]

Does the common flu keep you in? It is estimated that 28,000 to 60,000 people in the US die from it every year. Those numbers should also indicate how accurate estimates are. About 40,000 people die in car accidents every year and nobody blinks. I will be glad to have my freedom back to do as I please.

Once there is a successful vaccine and treatment options for Covid 19, I have no doubt Americans will have very short memories. We will forget what we are going through at this time and it will be a distant memory. Business as usual once there is a successful vaccine and treatment for the disease.

I honestly never knew the flu killed people every flu season. I've never had the flu and barely have had a common cold in my 70 years. I can count on one hand the amount of times I have had a common cold. I guess I'm just very optimistic that life will go back to the normal we have always known once there is treatment for this virus.

[Mumbles]

YES! We WILL get back to normal, or something like it. How long it takes depends very much on whether people can be patient and not go stir crazy. In a month or two or three or four, the time will come when there are fast, easy tests to know if people have the virus or have had it. The time will come when no one in The Villages has come down with the virus in a day, then a week, then two weeks.

Then we move to containment. Things will reopen, gradually. At first restaurants may be required to keep customers separated, but that will shift. Perhaps there will be guards taking temperatures of everyone at the gates, or at least all villagers. If someone does come down with it, instead of closing everything, there will be health guards to make sure there is a local quarantine and a careful look at contacts. We will do most of what we love doing, though we may have an extra level of stress.

People who are Immuno-compromised may remain much more vigilant than others, but eventually they too will relax.

It’s going to be okay, people. Just be patient and do the right thing.

If we could predict what you appear to be predicting, we would be sharing in the power of God. I'm not so sure that we have powers like that. Now, if you are "hoping" these ideas will occur...just like those who are predicting the opposite will occur, I can go along with that.:pray:

[coffeebean]

wow, i was waiting for a post like yours, lol. i've always done my own thing, & for what it's worth, we've been on lockdown about a month now, & i've had enough of it. i decided on my own the 'quarantine' is over, & now go about my day as normally as possible like before. there is such a thing as overkill, imo. & if someone wants to stay locked in, go ahead, power to you, but i've re-joined the living :ho:

Are you wearing a mask when you are out and about? Hope so.

[E Cascade]

Ever sent to your room as a kid and your parents said, "You can come back out after you think about it for a while....." Sounds like alot of us have done some thinking. I still have too much on my "To Do" list, but I'd like to scrap it and get on with other things. Enjoy It. ...... and it will be interesting to see how God works all of this out for us.

[golfing eagles]

Once there is a successful vaccine and treatment options for Covid 19, I have no doubt Americans will have very short memories. We will forget what we are going through at this time and it will be a distant memory. Business as usual once there is a successful vaccine and treatment for the disease.

I honestly never knew the flu killed people every flu season. I've never had the flu and barely have had a common cold in my 70 years. I can count on one hand the amount of times I have had a common cold. I guess I'm just very optimistic that life will go back to the normal we have always known once there is treatment for this virus.


I share that optimism. Which is why we shouldn't be making long term changes. Economic stimulus bills are fine, when the money has been spent, all that's left is 3 or 4 trillion added to the national debt, we'll survive that. But we shouldn't allow a certain group of politicians to put an entire shopping list of long term crap into these bills---that's what will change this country

[DianeM]

As someone with an anxiety disorder (PTSD), I have found it difficult to deal with crowds even before the pandemic happened. I've always been a homebody, so the stay home protocols have not affected my life that much. I do feel empathy towards the extroverts who must be going stir crazy. I realize we are all inconvenienced in some way, but I have little patience for those who blatantly defy the guidelines, putting everyone's health at risk. JMHO.
I also have compromised health issues so I am terrified of catching the virus, too afraid to even go to the store. Due to being on a restricted diet, the thing I miss the most is picking out my own produce, reading labels, and choosing what is safe to eat; those foods are difficult to find with all the empty shelves and lack of stock. Spouse comes home with whatever he can find, some things I can not have. I also try not to worry about all the medical appointments that have been cancelled. That is out of my control. Other than that, we are managing. I'm hopeful things will improve but it might take a long time.
We Villagers pay a LOT for this "lifestyle." I sometimes wonder what percentage of the population were unable to take advantage of the amenities (before Coronavirus) due to physical limitations that can't endure standing in long lines, overcrowding, etc. I'm sure a lot of people aren't getting their money's worth for amenities/events that really end up being only for the first come first serve healthy residents. I'll bet many of us have given up trying and just accept enjoying our overpriced homes. TV sells a lovely concept in theory to new residents, but in sheer numbers of population, it is not possible for everyone to enjoy. How ironic that now that virtually everything is closed, the social butterflies have nowhere to go and nothing to do. They'll have to amuse themselves at home ... like the rest of us already know how to do! :icon_wink:


While I am fortunate not to have the issues you mentioned, I too have never gotten much use out of the “amenities”. I have given up trying to be what TV thinks I should be and just do my own thing. As an only child I learned the art of being “still” within myself and amusing myself. I have not had a problem with staying at home.

[coffeebean]

I wonder if a restaurant can operate at 50 percent capacity and still stay profitable?

The restaurants may have to raise prices. That's OK by me.

[coffeebean]

While I am fortunate not to have the issues you mentioned, I too have never gotten much use out of the “amenities”. I have given up trying to be what TV thinks I should be and just do my own thing. As an only child I learned the art of being “still” within myself and amusing myself. I have not had a problem with staying at home.

I have always said The Villages is like a cruise ship on land. You can do lots of activities or do nothing at all. It is completely up to you and what makes you happy.

[retiredguy123]

While I am fortunate not to have the issues you mentioned, I too have never gotten much use out of the “amenities”. I have given up trying to be what TV thinks I should be and just do my own thing. As an only child I learned the art of being “still” within myself and amusing myself. I have not had a problem with staying at home.
Me neither.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Me neither.

I'm just curious...and I ask with no judgment either way. A number of people on this board have recently said they're not interested in TV's amenities. May I ask why you would move to the Villages if not for the activities? Is it because a significant other wanted those amenities? Is it because you just like central Florida? Home prices in TV are higher because of the lifestyle, so if it were me, I'd go with a community with fewer amenities and lower prices.

[sipops]

Unfortunately New York City never returned to the pre 911 ways. When this is over people will probably not shake hands with each other. Social distancing will be the new normal.

[DianeM]

I'm just curious...and I ask with no judgment either way. A number of people on this board have recently said they're not interested in TV's amenities. May I ask why you would move to the Villages if not for the activities? Is it because a significant other wanted those amenities? Is it because you just like central Florida? Home prices in TV are higher because of the lifestyle, so if it were me, I'd go with a community with fewer amenities and lower prices.

I originally moved from Long Island to Lake Nona in the Orlando area. Beautiful fabulous area until you left it to go shopping or just wander. Orlando is not all that safe and I needed to get out while I could. TV seemed like a good option. I drove the 55 miles several times and spoke with people in stores, etc. I THOUGHT I wanted the amenities and truthfully the price range for houses was fine and the amenity fees (basically an HOA) are not high at all. I tried initially but quickly realized I was out of place. Hindsight is 20/20. Please don’t tell me to move if I don’t like it. It’s easier to just relax, do what I wish and wait out my expiration date.

[retiredguy123]

I'm just curious...and I ask with no judgment either way. A number of people on this board have recently said they're not interested in TV's amenities. May I ask why you would move to the Villages if not for the activities? Is it because a significant other wanted those amenities? Is it because you just like central Florida? Home prices in TV are higher because of the lifestyle, so if it were me, I'd go with a community with fewer amenities and lower prices.
Moving here from the Washington DC area caused my living costs to decrease by about 70 percent. So, price was not a factor at all. And, the monthly amenity fee here is less than my previous HOA fee that only included a swimming pool, a clubhouse, and private road maintenance. I have visited several other housing developments around The Villages, but I think that The Villages is just better in terms of safety, attractiveness, friendliness, and maintenance.

[DianeM]

Unfortunately New York City never returned to the pre 911 ways. When this is over people will probably not shake hands with each other. Social distancing will be the new normal.

Agreed. New York was not the same. We were so broken. Other parts of the country were aghast but we were crushed and afraid of every plane we heard for a time.

[Trophy25]

This should not be considered a rude message but just an honest question. Why did you move to The Villages?

[DianeM]

This should not be considered a rude message but just an honest question. Why did you move to The Villages?

For me? Read post #77

[NavyVet]

I'm just curious...and I ask with no judgment either way. A number of people on this board have recently said they're not interested in TV's amenities. May I ask why you would move to the Villages if not for the activities? Is it because a significant other wanted those amenities? Is it because you just like central Florida? Home prices in TV are higher because of the lifestyle, so if it were me, I'd go with a community with fewer amenities and lower prices.

You have asked a very good question. We moved here in 2003, full time, both of us under 55. (1 disabled Veteran, one retired military, no kids.) We were completely enamored with TV the first few years. (There was nothing south of 466 then.) We were involved with lots of activities, social calendar had never been so full, spouse played sports 5 days a week, etc. It gradually became a number of different factors for us as TV grew and grew and grew; Traffic got bad, everything was crowded, long lines at restaurants, classes and activities at rec centers would fill up - you could get there an hour ahead of time, stand in line only to be turned away because the class was full by the time you got to the door. Tickets for any decent musical event sold out 5 minutes after going on sale. Wall to wall people standing room only at the squares. Could not find a sport pool with lap lanes to go swimming. That was final straw for me. I gave up. Had no choice but to buy a home with own pool. Third one. Had already paid off 2 ridiculous bonds to keep my tax bill low, but got no better price on either house than houses with unpaid bonds. So yes, it's expensive for what you get. Have given more than our share to TV; we're not paying off a third bond. Not in a position to move yet again. Spouse still likes it here and I love my home. I just can't deal with crowds (PTSD). No worries. If I should end up outliving my spouse, I am out of here. Without him here to take care of me, I plan to go to a life care CCRC to be taken care of, but it won't be Freedom Pointe, probably somewhere close to a military base and of course the VA. We are just more realistic and no longer enamored with TV, also getting older, more health issues, and not able to do as much, which is why we believe the more elderly residents don't get their money's worth in the overall big picture of The Villages lifestyle. Peace.

[Villageswimmer]

Agreed. New York was not the same. We were so broken. Other parts of the country were aghast but we were crushed and afraid of every plane we heard for a time.


So sorry you and so many others had to experience this trauma. The horror and violence of that event cannot even be spoken. I wish you nothing but the best, Diane.

[retiredguy123]

This should not be considered a rude message but just an honest question. Why did you move to The Villages?
I don't know who you are asking, but for me, it was warmer weather, lower taxes, low cost of living, less crime, less traffic, more older and retired people, and fewer children. The only unexpected negatives have been a shortage of shopping, a lack of high quality restaurants, and a reduced quality of health care.

[billethkid]

You have asked a very good question. We moved here in 2003, full time, both of us under 55. (1 disabled Veteran, one retired military, no kids.) We were completely enamored with TV the first few years. (There was nothing south of 466 then.) We were involved with lots of activities, social calendar had never been so full, spouse played sports 5 days a week, etc. It gradually became a number of different factors for us as TV grew and grew and grew; Traffic got bad, everything was crowded, long lines at restaurants, classes and activities at rec centers would fill up - you could get there an hour ahead of time, stand in line only to be turned away because the class was full by the time you got to the door. Tickets for any decent musical event sold out 5 minutes after going on sale. Wall to wall people standing room only at the squares. Could not find a sport pool with lap lanes to go swimming. That was final straw for me. I gave up. Had no choice but to buy a home with own pool. Third one. Had already paid off 2 ridiculous bonds to keep my tax bill low, but got no better price on either house than houses with unpaid bonds. So yes, it's expensive for what you get. Have given more than our share to TV; we're not paying off a third bond. Not in a position to move yet again. Spouse still likes it here and I love my home. I just can't deal with crowds (PTSD). No worries. If I should end up outliving my spouse, I am out of here. Without him here to take care of me, I plan to go to a life care CCRC to be taken care of, but it won't be Freedom Pointe, probably somewhere close to a military base and of course the VA. We are just more realistic and no longer enamored with TV, also getting older, more health issues, and not able to do as much, which is why we believe the more elderly residents don't get their money's worth in the overall big picture of The Villages lifestyle. Peace.

One is free to believe whatever they think for what ever reason. However...at 84 with 16 years as a resident I "believe" you could be very mistaken.

[DianeM]

So sorry you and so many others had to experience this trauma. The horror and violence of that event cannot even be spoken. I wish you nothing but the best, Diane.

I sincerely thank you. I know watching the smoke from the parking lot where I worked defined the rest of my life. But many suffered far worse. I’m nothing in the picture 😊

[claricecolin]

I'm just curious...and I ask with no judgment either way. A number of people on this board have recently said they're not interested in TV's amenities. May I ask why you would move to the Villages if not for the activities? Is it because a significant other wanted those amenities? Is it because you just like central Florida? Home prices in TV are higher because of the lifestyle, so if it were me, I'd go with a community with fewer amenities and lower prices.

Well for my parents they both retired young (48&52) they knew they no longer wanted cold winters. They spent 2 years traveling the country trying out warm weather states. They liked it here and this was one of the last places they visited. They golfed a bit but not many other activities. They moved 3times and enjoyed their neighbors and friends. The amenities were not the draw for them. Dad is still here, still loves the weather and has his friends and happiest memories of Mom.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

I tried initially but quickly realized I was out of place. Hindsight is 20/20. Please don’t tell me to move if I don’t like it. It’s easier to just relax, do what I wish and wait out my expiration date.

Fear not, Diane, I'm not the type of Forum denizen that would ever tell someone to move if they don't like something. We grew up in the '60s and '70s - we learned to make changes from *within* - not give up, take the easy way out, and abandon our hopes.

For the record, you won't ever catch me saying "You can't fix stupid" either (nothing to do with you of course, just sayin').

[LiverpoolWalrus]

I sincerely thank you. I know watching the smoke from the parking lot where I worked defined the rest of my life. But many suffered far worse. I’m nothing in the picture 😊

I hear you and I sympathize. I noticed RetiredGuy above said he's from the DC area, as am I. I was in the vicinity of the Pentagon at the time and heard the explosion. It sounded like the old sonic booms we used to hear in the old days, even louder. I saw the smoke billowing out of the building - the Pentagon of all places - for days if not weeks. I know exactly what you mean when you said you feared planes for a while. I remember looking up at them and imagining they were missiles once again. Scary stuff. We have a touch of PTSD perhaps. But you're right, we were luckier than many. And we're luckier still.

[DianeM]

Fear not, Diane, I'm not the type of Forum denizen that would ever tell someone to move if they don't like something. We grew up in the '60s and '70s - we learned to make changes from *within* - not give up, take the easy way out, and abandon our hopes.

For the record, you won't ever catch me saying "You can't fix stupid" either (nothing to do with you of course, just sayin').

Thank you deeply. I just never fit the TV pattern. And that’s okay. As you said, we change within to suit our needs. So many are cruel and just say “move”. It’s not that simple. And that is somewhat typical and just draws me further inside.

[DianeM]

I hear you and I sympathize. I noticed RetiredGuy above said he's from the DC area, as am I. I was in the vicinity of the Pentagon at the time and heard the explosion. It sounded like the old sonic booms we used to hear in the old days, even louder. I saw the smoke billowing out of the building - the Pentagon of all places - for days if not weeks. I know exactly what you mean when you said you feared planes for a while. I remember looking up at them and imagining they were missiles once again. Scary stuff. We have a touch of PTSD perhaps. But you're right, we were luckier than many. And we're luckier still.

Oh how horrible an experience. I cannot imagine hearing our sacrosanct pentagon exploding. My heart goes to you for that experience. Airplanes were banned from flying over for a while (I don’t remember how long). When they resumed, I remember lying in bed in fear. The weather was still lovely in late September by then and the windows were open. You could hear the drone and more than once I cried. Perhaps we are affected more than we realize. Stay safe.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Thank you deeply. I just never fit the TV pattern. And that’s okay. As you said, we change within to suit our needs. So many are cruel and just say “move”. It’s not that simple. And that is somewhat typical and just draws me further inside.

Perhaps they mean well and don't realize they're being cruel. They're concerned enough to offer a suggestion, they just don't realize it's exposing a scarcity of imagination and compassion. It's the easy solution because they're unable to think of anything else, God love 'em. It's like my silly friends used to say back when we were younger and the US was having trouble with another country, they'd say "just nuke 'em." Now that's helpful!

[DianeM]

Perhaps they mean well and don't realize they're being cruel. They're concerned enough to offer a suggestion, they just don't realize it's exposing a scarcity of imagination and compassion. It's the easy solution because they're unable to think of anything else, God love 'em. It's like my silly friends used to say back when we were younger and the US was having trouble with another country, they'd say "just nuke 'em." Now that's helpful!

You’re kind. I think it’s more of a “I’m happy and it’s impossible you’re not so get out of my world”. Perhaps I’m just a bit thin skinned from hearing it. Probably me. I do remember that phrase and admit to having said once or twice. LOL.

[queasy27]

I'm another non-activity person; never even bothered to buy a golf cart. But I appreciate the care and expense that goes into maintaining the grounds and facilities and don't begrudge what I think is a fairly low amenities fee.

I moved here specifically to be close to my sister, who's the true believer and social butterfly. I'm content and like The Villages just fine, but it's not someplace I would have chosen on my own.

[DianeM]

I'm another non-activity person; never even bothered to buy a golf cart. But I appreciate the care and expense that goes into maintaining the grounds and facilities and don't begrudge what I think is a fairly low amenities fee.

I moved here specifically to be close to my sister, who's the true believer and social butterfly. I'm content and like The Villages just fine, but it's not someplace I would have chosen on my own.

I don’t own a golf cart either. I like a/c in my car in the summer and going more than 20 MPH. I agree that the place is well maintained and find the amenities fee pretty low. I like my house and my puppy and I are good.

[NavyVet]

Thank you deeply. I just never fit the TV pattern. And that’s okay. As you said, we change within to suit our needs. So many are cruel and just say “move”. It’s not that simple. And that is somewhat typical and just draws me further inside.

I know, right? No place is perfect, but here if you make even one realistic observation that isn't all sunshine, unicorns and rainbows, you get the "if you don't like it, move" from a LOT of people. It's mean and I get so tired of it. Mean people just suck.
We adapt, we adjust, we make the best of it and that really is okay. As long as I can stay indoors, it's all good. I literally burn to a crisp even on a completely cloudy day. LOL
Be well and stay safe. :)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I know, right? No place is perfect, but here if you make even one realistic observation that isn't all sunshine, unicorns and rainbows, you get the "if you don't like it, move" from a LOT of people. It's mean and I get so tired of it. Mean people just suck.
We adapt, we adjust, we make the best of it and that really is okay. As long as I can stay indoors, it's all good. I literally burn to a crisp even on a completely cloudy day. LOL
Be well and stay safe. :)

Yeah I was pretty taken aback when I posted that I only moved to the Villages because hubby said he'd miss me if I didn't go with him. People jumped on me, making me feel defensive, and I had to explain myself over and over again and people kept saying "oh just move" and I"m like - I'm in a place I don't like, and I'm not in a position to leave it. So bugger off.

I continue to maintain that I think the bulk of the Villages might as well be Stepford, perfectly manicured green lawns made out of what in the north is considered a weed that destroys actual grass lawns are hideous, and a bunch of old people doing the Electric Slide to rock and roll should be arrested for violating the laws of music and hog the dance floor so normal people can't move around, and that Florida sucks.

However - if the Villages were in New Mexico, or even West Virginia where you'd see pine forests instead of Crayola Primary Green astro-turf where grass normally goes, I'd be okay with it.

Mostly I just hate Florida and wish the Villages was somewhere else.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

I know, right? No place is perfect, but here if you make even one realistic observation that isn't all sunshine, unicorns and rainbows, you get the "if you don't like it, move" from a LOT of people. It's mean and I get so tired of it. Mean people just suck.
We adapt, we adjust, we make the best of it and that really is okay. As long as I can stay indoors, it's all good. I literally burn to a crisp even on a completely cloudy day. LOL
Be well and stay safe. :)

When citizens felt the Vietnam conflict was unjust, did they do something about it or move? When women didn't have the right to vote, did they do something about it or move? When black people were discriminated against, did they do something about it or move? When mixed races were denied the right to marry until 1967, did they do something about it or move?

[golfing eagles]

Oh how horrible an experience. I cannot imagine hearing our sacrosanct pentagon exploding. My heart goes to you for that experience. Airplanes were banned from flying over for a while (I don’t remember how long). When they resumed, I remember lying in bed in fear. The weather was still lovely in late September by then and the windows were open. You could hear the drone and more than once I cried. Perhaps we are affected more than we realize. Stay safe.

I hear you. That day was a tragedy for all of America, but for those of us from the NYC area it impacted us in a way that non-New Yorkers can't understand.

I was taking a break in the physicians lounge and someone said turn on the TV, a plane hit the towers. I remember looking at the first tower burning and thinking that it didn't look like a small plane, but couldn't imagine a commercial airliner getting that far off course. Then I saw the second tower hit in real time and my heart sank as it was instantly clear this was intentional. Then the pentagon, and the uncertainty of where flight 93 was headed.

I graduated from a small high school with 99 in my class, everyone knew each other, two of them died that day, One a trader for Cantor Fitzgerald and the other a NYC firefighter. My son was in the air from Phoenix to Boston over Indiana when the order to ground all flights came. My brother would do business at the WTC once a week and my nephew worked nearby---all phone circuits were busy and there was no way to check on them. One of our bridesmaid's father worked in the #7 building, and was almost hit by a jumper as they evacuated the building, he was never the same again. When I was in school, my roommate's friend was a trader on the commodities floor, I even got to wear a smock and badge and stand right in the middle of the action one time, and had dinner at Windows on the World several times. Fortunately, that trader was still on the train headed to work. My friend Mark had just married an executive with Quantas, and was going to accompany her to a conference in LA, from their home in Boston. At the last minute she told him the schedule changed and she would be in meetings 10 hours a day, so why doesn't he drop me off at Logan and then drive to Auburn to see his niece. He was halfway down the Mass Pike when the radio announced what happened and the flight number. You could find him every night in the last seat at the bar at our country club.

Twenty years later, and it is still hard to recount this story. I hope this epidemic doesn't have the same effect on people as 9/11.

[jebartle]

If you refuse to take precautions, then you will be most likely exposed to the virus. As someone who works with the public serving people like you, I will ask, as politely as possible (which isn't all that politely) to keep your distance from me. As far as you can keep. Miles, in fact. Maybe states. Or perhaps to some deserted island where there is ZERO chance of your germs getting within breathing distance of anyone who might be in contact with anyone who is in contact with the air I breathe at my job.

You don't need to be concerned about YOUR own health. It's not required. But our state's rules say you DO have to take precautions for MY sake. If you're not willing to do that, then find some place that doesn't have those restrictions.

This reminds me of the gradual restrictions that were imposed on smokers, NOT IN MY SPACE, be considerate of your fellow man, period.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Yeah I was pretty taken aback when I posted that I only moved to the Villages because hubby said he'd miss me if I didn't go with him. People jumped on me, making me feel defensive, and I had to explain myself over and over again and people kept saying "oh just move" and I"m like - I'm in a place I don't like, and I'm not in a position to leave it. So bugger off.

I continue to maintain that I think the bulk of the Villages might as well be Stepford, perfectly manicured green lawns made out of what in the north is considered a weed that destroys actual grass lawns are hideous, and a bunch of old people doing the Electric Slide to rock and roll should be arrested for violating the laws of music and hog the dance floor so normal people can't move around, and that Florida sucks.

However - if the Villages were in New Mexico, or even West Virginia where you'd see pine forests instead of Crayola Primary Green astro-turf where grass normally goes, I'd be okay with it.

Mostly I just hate Florida and wish the Villages was somewhere else.
OBB, for someone who dislikes TV and Florida, I commend your keeping a positive attitude about it and making lemonade from lemons rather than filling this forum with venom...latest post notwithstanding. You and I agree it’s like Stepford. I’d say a perfect blend of Stepford and the Truman show. As for line dancing to rock, we all have different triggers, and for some reason that doesn’t bother me. I guess I’ve always had a fondness for the cheesy, and TV fulfills that desire admirably.

Wow, what a thread!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

OBB, for someone who dislikes TV and Florida, I commend your keeping a positive attitude about it and making lemonade from lemons rather than filling this forum with venom...latest post notwithstanding. You and I agree it’s like Stepford. I’d say a perfect blend of Stepford and the Truman show. As for line dancing to rock, we all have different triggers, and for some reason that doesn’t bother me. I guess I’ve always had a fondness for the cheesy, and TV fulfills that desire admirably.

Wow, what a thread!

Line dancing to Led Zeppelin is a massive offense on a visceral level. But also from the perspective of general intelligence. To me, it's like having a peanutbutter, spam, mango chutney, and kalamata olives with chocolate syrup and mayo in a lettuce wrap. Just don't do it. Seriously. Don't.

EDITED TO ADD: line dancing to line dance music doesn't bother me AT ALL and in fact I am one of the first ones to jump up and dance to the Electric Slide.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Normality evolves. If it didn't, living in caves would be normal.

[DianeM]

I know, right? No place is perfect, but here if you make even one realistic observation that isn't all sunshine, unicorns and rainbows, you get the "if you don't like it, move" from a LOT of people. It's mean and I get so tired of it. Mean people just suck.
We adapt, we adjust, we make the best of it and that really is okay. As long as I can stay indoors, it's all good. I literally burn to a crisp even on a completely cloudy day. LOL
Be well and stay safe. :)

There are many mean people here. Being human, when attacked, I attack back. I don’t like that trait in me but after a while, defending oneself becomes second nature. The problem is that I should not have to defend myself for not conforming. Ah well. Have a good one.

[Number 10 GI]

It is sobering to look at deaths 118,304 vs. recovered 444,492.

Of course we do not know how many have had and survived it without ever needing enough medical attention to warrant testing.

I agree, if you don't know how many people had the virus the number of deaths may be in line with the usual viruses that afflict us.

[DianeM]

I hear you. That day was a tragedy for all of America, but for those of us from the NYC area it impacted us in a way that non-New Yorkers can't understand.

I was taking a break in the physicians lounge and someone said turn on the TV, a plane hit the towers. I remember looking at the first tower burning and thinking that it didn't look like a small plane, but couldn't imagine a commercial airliner getting that far off course. Then I saw the second tower hit in real time and my heart sank as it was instantly clear this was intentional. Then the pentagon, and the uncertainty of where flight 93 was headed.

I graduated from a small high school with 99 in my class, everyone knew each other, two of them died that day, One a trader for Cantor Fitzgerald and the other a NYC firefighter. My son was in the air from Phoenix to Boston over Indiana when the order to ground all flights came. My brother would do business at the WTC once a week and my nephew worked nearby---all phone circuits were busy and there was no way to check on them. One of our bridesmaid's father worked in the #7 building, and was almost hit by a jumper as they evacuated the building, he was never the same again. When I was in school, my roommate's friend was a trader on the commodities floor, I even got to wear a smock and badge and stand right in the middle of the action one time, and had dinner at Windows on the World several times. Fortunately, that trader was still on the train headed to work. My friend Mark had just married an executive with Quantas, and was going to accompany her to a conference in LA, from their home in Boston. At the last minute she told him the schedule changed and she would be in meetings 10 hours a day, so why doesn't he drop me off at Logan and then drive to Auburn to see his niece. He was halfway down the Mass Pike when the radio announced what happened and the flight number. You could find him every night in the last seat at the bar at our country club.

Twenty years later, and it is still hard to recount this story. I hope this epidemic doesn't have the same effect on people as 9/11.


I was blessed not to have lost anyone I knew that day. It was a spectacularly beautiful late summer/early autumn day. Far too beautiful for people to lose their lives. My friend Jack lived in New Jersey and had an argument with his wife over taking out the trash. He missed his train while taking it out. Best argument ever!

I know I cannot easily speak about that day. I break down pretty much every time. I hope, as you, that people are not affected the same way because of the virus.

[skip0358]

We use the pool sometimes very rare, don't golf, tried pickleball blew out my knee so that's done,no baseball. Hang with friends( which we miss most). Eat out a least once a week yard work, crafts and Parrothead Club & Blood Drives. Everything we might want to do is here and we can & do use them when we want. We don't need a schedule telling when to be where. The phone rings and we meet whomever wherever they might be going. Very happy with our routine, our cost of living and what's available IF we choose to do something.

[600th Photo Sq]

Unfortunately New York City never returned to the pre 911 ways. When this is over people will probably not shake hands with each other. Social distancing will be the new normal.

I have already started by greeting people with my right hand raised, palm facing towards the person(s) and saying " How " , sometimes " Hey " just for a change.

So far I have not gotten a reply just a very slight smile, but will continue trying. :icon_wink:

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Line dancing to Led Zeppelin is a massive offense on a visceral level...line dancing to line dance music doesn't bother me AT ALL and in fact I am one of the first ones to jump up and dance to the Electric Slide.

ANY dancing is better than no dancing. And many of us got an early start: Keep on Dancing - The Gentrys - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeEs6e0FdwU)

[Velvet]

I agree, if you don't know how many people had the virus the number of deaths may be in line with the usual viruses that afflict us.

Yes, but, we don’t count the number of people with regular flu who aren’t medically identified someway either. So I would think that the identified coronavirus cases are comparable to the identified flu cases. We don’t know who had either one who is not identified somehow so our guess to what the “real” number is in either case is truly just a guess.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

That sounds right, so a better metric might be per capita hospitalizations and deaths. Could result in a more meaningful comparison.