Can we expect any improvement?

[sloanst]

I just noticed the off season rates were published with an approximate increase of ~18%. Can we expect an 18% improvement in course conditions this summer? Just wondering. :popcorn:

[karostay]

That's to offset the 36% who stopped playing in the first place

[chrisinva]

when hell freezes over

:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl: :mademyday:

[John_W]

May 1st to Dec 31st afternoon wave starts at 11:56 and a non-priority resident was $34 and is now $36, that's a 12.2% increase. That's all I'm concerned about.

[karostay]

May 1st to Dec 31st afternoon wave starts at 11:56 and a non-priority resident was $34 and is now $36, that's a 12.2% increase. That's all I'm concerned about.

Will no longer be able to afford 2 buck chuck

[Rrgolf]

I wouldn't care what they charge if they put money back into the courses. Conditions are atrocious for what we pay

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I just noticed the off season rates were published with an approximate increase of ~18%. Can we expect an 18% improvement in course conditions this summer? Just wondering. :popcorn:

When gas prices go up do you get better gas mileage? When the price of stamps increase, do you receive faster mail service?

[ficoguy]

I just noticed the off season rates were published with an approximate increase of ~18%. Can we expect an 18% improvement in course conditions this summer? Just wondering. :popcorn:

Hahahahahahaha!
Good one!

[graciegirl]

When gas prices go up do you get better gas mileage? When the price of stamps increase, do you receive faster mail service?

For some reason I can't say "thanks" on your post. Allow me here to say Thanks.

A fan.

[Jayhawk]

May 1st to Dec 31st afternoon wave starts at 11:56 and a non-priority resident was $34 and is now $36, that's a 12.2% increase. That's all I'm concerned about.

Actually it's only a 5.9% difference.

[tophcfa]

When gas prices go up do you get better gas mileage? When the price of stamps increase, do you receive faster mail service?

Last time I checked, gas prices have gone way down. I can remember paying $4 for a gallon of gas and now it’s below $2. Can’t say that I have ever seen green fees go down?

[kcrazorbackfan]

Good gawd! Do a bunch of you whiners get together and each one take turns on complaining about something here in The Villages?

If you can’t afford the $2.00, then it’s probably time you quit golf. Do you complain about The Villages when you lose your balls and have to buy more or when your grips wear out and you have to replace them?

Stop the incessant whining and complaining.

[Jayhawk]

Good gawd! Do a bunch of you whiners get together and each one take turns on complaining about something here in The Villages?

If you can’t afford the $2.00, then it’s probably time you quit golf. Do you complain about The Villages when you lose your balls and have to buy more or when your grips wear out and you have to replace them?

Stop the incessant whining and complaining.

Man, I am with you 1000%, but good luck with some of the complainers. You can look back and see several of them have hundreds of complaints or blame.

:bigbow:

[golfing eagles]

Man, I am with you 1000%, but good luck with some of the complainers. You can look back and see several of them have hundreds of complaints or blame.

:bigbow:

The "developer" should make it rain more:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JSR22]

The "developer" should make it rain more:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I am sure they only want it to rain at night! If it rains during the day it will be the Morse's fault!

[golfing eagles]

I am sure they only want it to rain at night! If it rains during the day it will be the Morse's fault!

Absolutely!!! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bogie Shooter]

Good gawd! Do a bunch of you whiners get together and each one take turns on complaining about something here in The Villages?

If you can’t afford the $2.00, then it’s probably time you quit golf. Do you complain about The Villages when you lose your balls and have to buy more or when your grips wear out and you have to replace them?

Stop the incessant whining and complaining.

Its the same ones, bring up their same posts 2-3 times per year.

[Northwoods]

When gas prices go up do you get better gas mileage? When the price of stamps increase, do you receive faster mail service?

The absolute best response to this topic!!!! :bigbow:

[Two Bills]

I am sure they only want it to rain at night! If it rains during the day it will be the Morse's fault!

......or the Morris's :icon_wink:

[tsmall22204]

Well have you considered operational costs have gone up. That's right, salary increases, equipment costs, maintenance costs, and additional expenses?
Did your income go up? Dont you think the folks that provide your golfing experience deserve an increase?

[hardwick2112@yahoo.com]

More for the Morse's. Why should the family suffer during this crisis?

[threefootputt]

It’s a 5.9% increase (36-34/34) over last year’s rate, not the 18% stated by the OP or even the 12.2% suggested in another post.

[Singerlady]

Actually it's only a 5.9% difference.

Correct! Wish my pension and SS would go up 5.9%. Ha ha....

[davem4616]

I just noticed the off season rates were published with an approximate increase of ~18%. Can we expect an 18% improvement in course conditions this summer? Just wondering. :popcorn:



absolutely, I would even encourage you to expect 18% or even 20, 25% improvement (not)

it takes money to run these courses and they're not in horrible condition...you want horrible play some of the municipal courses up north

If you think their prices are too high for you, show them your resolve by only golfing outside of TV

[MandoMan]

I hear they are going to be stocking the ponds with a special kind of alligator that fetches balls from the water and spits them out on the shore. Well worth the extra cost, right?

[Chall]

I paid more in the 90”s for premium daily play courses.

[wildjac]

Don't hold your breath!

[cassjax2]

Stop parking on the grass and use the cart path! Only those with handicapped stickers are allowed to park near the green. We’ve also seen carts being driven across the green - STOP IT!!

[calibantwo]

I just noticed the off season rates were published with an approximate increase of ~18%. Can we expect an 18% improvement in course conditions this summer? Just wondering. :popcorn:

Why are they cutting the fairways so short again this year? It looks like they are using the same cutters as the greens. No way to get a decent lie, especially for a wedge. The grass is so short it will burn out quickly.

[Dilligas]

You are looking at this all wrong.....you currently pay $47 or $64 (priority or non priority for most courses) and on May 1 will pay $36 or $45 (-23% or -30%) and if you wait until after Noon $29 or $36 (-38% or -44%). Now don't you feel better?

[72lions]

More for the Morse's. Why should the family suffer during this crisis?

News Flash: The Championship Courses are not owned by the Morse family.

[RuthA]

Yeah but I thought prices were supposed to go "down" during the "off season", not up.

[John_W]

Yeah but I thought prices were supposed to go "down" during the "off season", not up.

I'm not good at math, that's obvious since I couldn't figure the price change was 5.9%, but I can compute that $36 is less than $64.

[cassjax2]

Keep the golf carts OFF the grass (except for handicap) and stay on the golf cart path!! Other than that we’ll have to wait for rain. I’m just saying....

[mulligan]

The solution to the op's problem is falling from the sky as we speak. Now, if we get enough rain, there will be cart restrictions, and real soon now, we will be starting into the aeration schedule. The whining will never stop.

[golfing eagles]

The solution to the op's problem is falling from the sky as we speak. Now, if we get enough rain, there will be cart restrictions, and real soon now, we will be starting into the aeration schedule. The whining will never stop.

Also, only having 18/27 holes open should help

[drcar]

News Flash: The Championship Courses are not owned by the Morse family.

NEWS FLASH: The Championship Courses ARE owned and operated by the Villages, The Morse Family!

[Singerlady]

May 1st to Dec 31st afternoon wave starts at 11:56 and a non-priority resident was $34 and is now $36, that's a 12.2% increase. That's all I'm concerned about.

Correction...that’s a 5.8% increase. $2/$34 ....
credentials: former math professional.

[golfing eagles]

Correction...that’s a 5.8% increase. $2/$34 ....
credentials: former math professional.

Correction...that's a 5.88235294117647% increase

Credentials: OCD :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[timberpike1]

The problem with the championship courses is the overpricing for the provided product given. The conditions are no where near what they where 5 years ago. Within the last 10 years the fees have doubled and the quality of the playing conditions have greatly decreased. The greens are average, however the fairways have no grass, it would be nice to see over seeding resume as was done prior to the last 3 winters. With the current conditions I would rather drive 30 minutes or more, to play other courses that over seed and are in much better shape all winter and cost $20 to $35 dollars less. Time is not important when you are retired and there are many courses outside the property that take only 5/10 minutes more to get to. The only way CC's will improve is if residents call golf management and state their concerns and/or totally boycott play. Money does talk. If the fairways were over seed again, the water and fertilizer given during the winter months would greatly improve the spring conditions and preserve the regular fairway grass for the summer months.

[Rwirish]

Not related but I laugh every Thursday when the hole in ones are published in the paper. There are NO holes in one while the cylinders are still in the hole! Nice shot, but not a hole in one!

[Kgcetm]

Probably not more than seasonal transitional changes. We play around 3,000,000 rounds of golf on our courses each year. Probably more than 2M on our executive courses. With over 200,000 rounds being played on each course it's about as good as it's going to get. The addition of more golfers without additional championship courses will further reduce the quality of the course. The championship courses we played before we moved here got somewhere around 30,000 rounds per year and the course was closed at least 1 day each week for rest and maintenance. I think they can and should make some improvements but you'll never play a round of golf in The Villages that compares to say Mission Inn. That's just what I think.

[Kgcetm]

As long as the person records a "1" on the scorecard and records his score, it's official. Why would someone possibly care? Obviously some of us don't get out too often.

[Don Wilson]

To get the answer to your question please 'google' "has hell frozen over yet"?

[Skunky1]

I suggest all golf courses to be closed Until further notice to perform deferred maintenance.

[Don5154]

When gas prices go up do you get better gas mileage? When the price of stamps increase, do you receive faster mail service?

That’s comparing apples to oranges !

[Rapscallion St Croix]

That’s comparing apples to oranges !

I'll try harder.
When the price of apples and oranges go up, do they taste better?

[mtlee024]

I just noticed the off season rates were published with an approximate increase of ~18%. Can we expect an 18% improvement in course conditions this summer? Just wondering. :popcorn:

The answer is NO. In fact they may get worse. Been here 10 years, so I know from experience.

[mtlee024]

Wrong they are owned by the Morses. They make more money on the golf course operation then just about anything else.

[DrBrutyle109]

Hardly the point

[RRman77 retired]

Try .99 in Dayton Ohio the other day!

[drcar]

Wrong they are owned by the Morses. They make more money on the golf course operation then just about anything else.

You are correct the Championship Courses are owned by the Morse family. But how, please tell me "you" know, "They make more money on the golf course operation then just about anything else." Did your barber tell you or are you the company book keeper?

[stan the man]

You are correct the Championship Courses are owned by the Morse family. But how, please tell me "you" know, "They make more money on the golf course operation then just about anything else." Did your barber tell you or are you the company book keeper?

Heard on TOTV???

[flybaby40]

Don't hold your breath !

[Topspinmo]

Stop parking on the grass and use the cart path! Only those with handicapped stickers are allowed to park near the green. We’ve also seen carts being driven across the green - STOP IT!!

But, lots have the special golf handicapped sticker that are NOT valid anywhere else.

[Topspinmo]

News Flash: The Championship Courses are not owned by the Morse family.

Better study up about villages. :icon_wink:

[alfredpopcorn@gmail.com]

When gas prices go up do you get better gas mileage? When the price of stamps increase, do you receive faster mail service?

Gas a commodity and mail service ( controlled service without competition) I am sure there is a business term to explain my point ) Golf is a service with competition- I golf off campus twice a week at have the price . Screw the villages golf

[croughwell]

SORRY... Too many extended family members living off the Villages!

Many executive courses are in rough shape too. Some look as if they are intentionally rationing the water!

[anothersteve]

The problem with the championship courses is the overpricing for the provided product given. The conditions are no where near what they where 5 years ago. Within the last 10 years the fees have doubled and the quality of the playing conditions have greatly decreased. The greens are average, however the fairways have no grass, it would be nice to see over seeding resume as was done prior to the last 3 winters. With the current conditions I would rather drive 30 minutes or more, to play other courses that over seed and are in much better shape all winter and cost $20 to $35 dollars less. Time is not important when you are retired and there are many courses outside the property that take only 5/10 minutes more to get to. The only way CC's will improve is if residents call golf management and state their concerns and/or totally boycott play. Money does talk. If the fairways were over seed again, the water and fertilizer given during the winter months would greatly improve the spring conditions and preserve the regular fairway grass for the summer months.


You should get a job with the GCSAA.
Steve

[anothersteve]

I suggest all golf courses to be closed Until further notice to perform deferred maintenance.

Yeah that will go over as well as a fart in church.
Steve

[donassaid]

Would love to take a Villages wide survey to see how many golfers feel that the fairways are mowed way too low. TV Sirector of Holf told me they are mowed at a height of 5/8". I told him that in 10 years of playing here, I had never seen a single fairway on a single course that had so much as a 1/4" of grass and, most of the time, even less. The other issue is the sand in the traps. Nearly impossible to get a clean lie in a fairway bunker and due to excessive sand around the face of the bunkers, many shots completely bury, making it impossible to get out in one shot. These courses could be a masterpiece with the right grooming but apparently not a high priority for the family or else they just don't care. How many of you agree with this assessment?

[Singerlady]

May 1st to Dec 31st afternoon wave starts at 11:56 and a non-priority resident was $34 and is now $36, that's a 12.2% increase. That's all I'm concerned about.
Percentage Lesson:
(36-34)/34 is the correct way to calculate this....not 12.2%. 5.9% is the correct increase. Now, if you’re comparing it to another season’s price...that would be different.

[Cheapbas]

Good gawd! Do a bunch of you whiners get together and each one take turns on complaining about something here in The Villages?

If you can’t afford the $2.00, then it’s probably time you quit golf. Do you complain about The Villages when you lose your balls and have to buy more or when your grips wear out and you have to replace them?

Stop the incessant whining and complaining.

I was pretty disappointed having just bought here to see a huge increase in the rate. These are not $64 courses.

It’s not just the $$ for me, I Despise getting Hosed or being taken for a ride.

this is a venue where we can all speak up about it. Why can a course just west of here charge $25 with cart and do so at a profit and we pay 1.5 times more for sub- standard conditions. Our courses, what I heard, were not over seeded And they didn’t appear cared for. So, It seems to me they raised the price and kept it for themselves.

Are you sure it’s whining, I think the term is raising your voice.

[Slakeforest]

There are many good golf courses outside the Villages. I think those that complain have a right to say how they feel, and those who put down the complainers have their right as well. I think both are getting their "fix".
God it's hell getting old!!!

[UpNorth]

I was pretty disappointed having just bought here to see a huge increase in the rate. These are not $64 courses.

It’s not just the $$ for me, I Despise getting Hosed or being taken for a ride.

this is a venue where we can all speak up about it. Why can a course just west of here charge $25 with cart and do so at a profit and we pay 1.5 times more for sub- standard conditions. Our courses, what I heard, were not over seeded And they didn’t appear cared for. So, It seems to me they raised the price and kept it for themselves.

Are you sure it’s whining, I think the term is raising your voice.

Agreed. I think the only reason most people are willing to pay $64 for these courses is that they are close by and you drive your own personal cart to them. For $64, you get a visually boring, wide open design with little rough to impede the quick moving along of the crowds. Take your pick - it's the same thing over and over again. There are some great , interesting designs outside The Villages - too bad they aren't closer.

[Bogie Shooter]

I was pretty disappointed having just bought here to see a huge increase in the rate. These are not $64 courses.

It’s not just the $$ for me, I Despise getting Hosed or being taken for a ride.

this is a venue where we can all speak up about it. Why can a course just west of here charge $25 with cart and do so at a profit and we pay 1.5 times more for sub- standard conditions. Our courses, what I heard, were not over seeded And they didn’t appear cared for. So, It seems to me they raised the price and kept it for themselves.

Are you sure it’s whining, I think the term is raising your voice.

No, you will learn it is whining...………………...

[Jokomo]

It’s not the $2. It’s the complete disdain they display for proper course conditioning and the arrogance to raise the rates for an inferior product.

[croughwell]

Sorry... TV has too many extended family members to feed.

[jebartle]

The problem with the championship courses is the overpricing for the provided product given. The conditions are no where near what they where 5 years ago. Within the last 10 years the fees have doubled and the quality of the playing conditions have greatly decreased. The greens are average, however the fairways have no grass, it would be nice to see over seeding resume as was done prior to the last 3 winters. With the current conditions I would rather drive 30 minutes or more, to play other courses that over seed and are in much better shape all winter and cost $20 to $35 dollars less. Time is not important when you are retired and there are many courses outside the property that take only 5/10 minutes more to get to. The only way CC's will improve is if residents call golf management and state their concerns and/or totally boycott play. Money does talk. If the fairways were over seed again, the water and fertilizer given during the winter months would greatly improve the spring conditions and preserve the regular fairway grass for the summer months.

Agronomist conclude, overseeding timing is the key, it also causes some problems with return of bermuda, or bent (our home course).

[boobear51751]

Not going to happen. This place is going to the dogs fast. People are going to take a fast look here and fine out it isn't what it use to be. Priced way out of sight. This economy is about to bite the developer family in the butt with greed. My daughters age group who should be the next to start buying are not even interested in this life style. These young folks are making far more money than most of us ever did and that generation which is much smaller than our (baby boomers) group will not even give this place a second look. Extremely cramped, to busy and looks like a place that the communist would like. Only certain style homes, only certain colors, only certain amount of land, etc. etc. etc....... Cookie cutter villas. One comment is, "when you have one to many to drink how the heck do you know which villa is your?"

[JoMar]

Not going to happen. This place is going to the dogs fast. People are going to take a fast look here and fine out it isn't what it use to be. Priced way out of sight. This economy is about to bite the developer family in the butt with greed. My daughters age group who should be the next to start buying are not even interested in this life style. These young folks are making far more money than most of us ever did and that generation which is much smaller than our (baby boomers) group will not even give this place a second look. Extremely cramped, to busy and looks like a place that the communist would like. Only certain style homes, only certain colors, only certain amount of land, etc. etc. etc....... Cookie cutter villas. One comment is, "when you have one to many to drink how the heck do you know which villa is your?"

Wow, guess those that keep buying below 44 didn't get your memo. :)

[jimjamuser]

I just noticed the off season rates were published with an approximate increase of ~18%. Can we expect an 18% improvement in course conditions this summer? Just wondering. :popcorn:
You can expect heat and humidity.

[dewilson58]

2.5mil rounds of golf each year..............conditions are fine, not perfect, for over 50,000 golfers.


Then there is the whole Supply & Demand argument as well.


:ho:

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Many of the people are younger south of 44 and have no interest in golf , in the early surveys of what people wanted , many said that golf wasn’t there biggest priority. Not everyone comes here for golf, I myself have lived on 3 courses including the Bay Hill CC and have never picked up a club.

[Northwoods]

2.5mil rounds of golf each year..............conditions are fine, not perfect, for over 50,000 golfers.


Then there is the whole Supply & Demand argument as well.


:ho:

I just tried to find a tee time on a Championship course for 2 golfers, 3 days out (tee times released today). Pretty much all the tee times are gone before 5:00 pm.

I agree with dewilson... There appears to be plenty of golfers that want to golf The Villages Championship courses. It's convenient and there's a lot of variety.
So... the complainers should probably either play off-site or take up Pickleball. I don't see any reason for TV to do anything substantially different at this time.

[JSR22]

My husband made a tee time request for 4 people for Friday on the Championship courses between 8 and 10:30 for 8 courses. Three people were priority and they were shut out.

[dewilson58]

My husband made a tee time request for 4 people for Friday on the Championship courses between 8 and 10:30 for 8 courses. Three people were priority and they were shut out.


the one non-priority shut them out.......always been this way.



hubby should book with three priorities and have the 4th jump in quickly after tee time is set

[Dilligas]

I don’t know where you are playing golf. I’ve lived in TV 9 years and this spring has seen the best greens yet. The growing season didn’t start until April, but our championship greens have been in great condition since the last aeration last fall (yes Mallory shut down for a maintenance mistake for several weeks). Thank you.

[PennBF]

Once had a Senior VP of a major 500 company ask the Golf Course Director at the Company course which was becoming poorly maintained the following question:"Either we are not providing you with enough money to maintain the course in good condition or you are not
able to do the job. Which is it? Same question is appropriate here!!:ohdear:

[croughwell]

That's to compensate fir the 18% new family members who are on the payroll.

[williams1951]

I just noticed the off season rates were published with an approximate increase of ~18%. Can we expect an 18% improvement in course conditions this summer? Just wondering. :popcorn:

It's hard to blame The Villages for all the course conditions. People don't rake bunkers, don't fix ball marks are the greens, and the worst, they drive up onto the collars of the greens! If the people playing don't care, it's very difficult to maintain the courses.