Golfers - Please don't golf on Exec. courses after 4

[Northwoods]

I was talking to an Ambassador... he said if golf is shut down in The Villages, it will probably be because people are sneaking on courses after the 4pm curfew.
There are "golf haters" taking pictures of golfers, and Community Watch has been told to patrol and call the sheriff if people on the course won't leave.
Maybe you golfed after hours before with no repercussions, but this is a different time.
Please don't be selfish...

[wisbad1]

I was talking to an Ambassador... he said if golf is shut down in The Villages, it will probably be because people are sneaking on courses after the 4pm curfew.
There are "golf haters" taking pictures of golfers, and Community Watch has been told to patrol and call the sheriff if people on the course won't leave.
Maybe you golfed after hours before with no repercussions, but this is a different time.
Please don't be selfish...
Went to get mail yesterday, people walking their dogs on mangrove golf course. Course must be a dog park after 4:00 .

[John_W]

I was talking to an Ambassador... he said if golf is shut down in The Villages, it will probably be because people are sneaking on courses after the 4pm curfew.
There are "golf haters" taking pictures of golfers, and Community Watch has been told to patrol and call the sheriff if people on the course won't leave.
Maybe you golfed after hours before with no repercussions, but this is a different time.
Please don't be selfish...

This has already been discussed on another thread with over 100 posts, you must of missed it. There is a difference between no teetimes after 4pm and the course is closed at 4pm. What we have is no teetimes after 4pm, and the course is always closed to walkers, joggers, dog walkers, bicyclist, residents and outsiders playing golf without going through the starter. Now, as far as what we really have. GolfingEagles explained it best on that other thread, here it is.

The last TEE TIME is 4 PM (or 3:58 if you prefer)

What this means:

On executive courses, at 4:03, there will be groups on EVERY hole, the last group on the 1st green (hopefully)

By 5:30, the course would (hopefully) be empty, but give it to 6PM. After that, any of the self appointed golf course police can feel free to call somebody.

On championship courses, there will be groups on EVERY hole, the last ones being halfway down the 1st fairway. By 8PM (hopefully) the course should be empty, but give it to 8:15. At that point the same self appointed golf course police can call somebody. The golfers will be easily recognized by the flashlights they are carrying

I kow your next comment is, don't shoot me I'm just the messenger, I'm just telling you what the ambassador said. I'm just telling you, what he said wasn't correct. What's correct is what GolfingEagles said.

[Northwoods]

I just don't want people WITHOUT a tee time to "jump" on the course and play. People do this. Golfing Eagles and I agree. If you have a tee time in the system (at or before 4pm... You're good.) If you sneak on the course without a tee time (after hours)... that's what will be a problem

[anothersteve]

GolfingEagles is dead wrong, it's been explained ad nauseam.
Steve.

[Polar Bear]

GolfingEagles is dead wrong...
About what?

[asianthree]

Had a 3:57 tee time yesterday. Ambassador on the course couple hole behind us. We finished pick up food, on the way back, on same course 3 set of people out walking dogs.

[golfing eagles]

GolfingEagles is dead wrong, it's been explained ad nauseam.
Steve.

About what?

Please explain, especially how I'm "dead wrong"

[maryl]

People should be fine for walking there dogs on golf courses and fine heavily they even walk them by the mailboxes also like they think it’s a dog park

[merrymini]

What is it about these dog people? They closed the dog parks so they let their dogs run loose at the Wiechens preserve, against the rules, so that is now closed to people who want to see birds. Letting them walk on the golf courses, really? Walking them in public areas and by mailboxes where some do not clean up after their animals. It must get bad because there are signs asking people not to put dog feces in the garbage cans there. Most dog owners are responsible and considerate but the ones that are not are ruining for the rest of us. Stupid and ignorant.

[Fisherman]

I lived on the golf course for 9 years. I also lived within four houses of the mail center. The amenities provided for the residents, such as horse shoes, shuffleboard etc are never used due to the fact that the the areas around the postal center became a dog walk. Who wants to pick up a horse shoe where dog feces residue is on the ground. Urine on the sidewalk.
Sometimes the same people drive up two or three times a day in carts or cars to walk their dogs. The sod was replaced four times while I lived there. In addition, after the course closed, especially when it stays light longer, it became a dog walk. Dogs off leashes, playing frisbee. A meeting place for dog owners to walk there dogs on the golf path. I love dogs, it is the dog owners that have ruined and take our amenities away.

[karostay]

Looks like a severe case of the..... I saws

I saw some one with along leash

I saw some one walk on a golf cart path

I saw some one with an extra roll of toilet paper

I saw some one parked enjoying lunch in their golf cart

List goes On and On and on

[mgkw1]

Closed means closed. No walkers, with or without dogs. Stay off the courses PERIOD !!!!

[Keninches]

Why do people think the golf courses are dog parks? We Go for a golf cart ride everyday around 6 pm and lots of dog walkers on the courses.

[ficoguy]

I was talking to an Ambassador... he said if golf is shut down in The Villages, it will probably be because people are sneaking on courses after the 4pm curfew.
There are "golf haters" taking pictures of golfers, and Community Watch has been told to patrol and call the sheriff if people on the course won't leave.
Maybe you golfed after hours before with no repercussions, but this is a different time.
Please don't be selfish...
I know the golf haters are infuriated because the pools and rev centers are closed. The non golfers feel like we are a privileged class - instead of cheering our ability to play safety they want to see it shut down. Haters are gonna hate...

[ficoguy]

Went to get mail yesterday, people walking their dogs on mangrove golf course. Course must be a dog park after 4:00 .

As if it’s not difficult enough to keep up the courses - they probably don’t pick up their dogs “Lincoln Logs” either

[PoolBrews]

The ambassodor I spoke to yesterday before playing said they have instituted a new policy for those that are caught on the course "illegall" after 4. They will be told to leave the course and will have their golfing privileges revoked for 30 days.

[Topspinmo]

People should be fine for walking there dogs on golf courses and fine heavily they even walk them by the mailboxes also like they think it’s a dog park

Wow, just wow 😳.

[Topspinmo]

As if it’s not difficult enough to keep up the courses - they probably don’t pick up their dogs “Lincoln Logs” either

Most weed choppers crap all over the courses and don’t follow simple rules. There will be always people who crap on rules.

[karostay]

The ambassodor I spoke to yesterday before playing said they have instituted a new policy for those that are caught on the course "illegall" after 4. They will be told to leave the course and will have their golfing privileges revoked for 30 days.


By what authority

Judge Dredd - I AM THE LAW - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itmNiTwHOsM)

[tomhinz]

PLEASE 0bey the rules like everybody has to. You are NOT an exception.

[tomhinz]

GOOD GOOD GOOD what is the matter with people?

[tobiaszr]

Rhode Island closed their courses to Rhode Islanders only. 3 Massachusetts residents joined a Rhode Islander, in his car, to play in R.I.
At the end of the round, they were greeted by the police. Because of their violation, they were fined $500 and face 90 days in jail. Before the courses are closed, heavy fines may be the way to go. Removing their playing privileges is another thought. Lets not let a few ruin for all.

[eltingg]

Let's be honest, the only one being selfish is the Developer. They like to play dictator since they control the Villages.

[asianthree]

Let's be honest, the only one being selfish is the Developer. They like to play dictator since they control the Villages.

Post #5 since 2015:popcorn:

[billethkid]

Let's be honest, the only one being selfish is the Developer. They like to play dictator since they control the Villages.

Minority report duly noted.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

What is it about these dog people? They closed the dog parks so they let their dogs run loose at the Wiechens preserve, against the rules, so that is now closed to people who want to see birds. Letting them walk on the golf courses, really? Walking them in public areas and by mailboxes where some do not clean up after their animals. It must get bad because there are signs asking people not to put dog feces in the garbage cans there. Most dog owners are responsible and considerate but the ones that are not are ruining for the rest of us. Stupid and ignorant.

They bring them into the supermarkets too, sometimes carrying them in their arms, sometimes wandering on retractable leashes where they can get their feces-eating faces right up to the bottom cereal box shelves...

Customers need to complain about that stuff if they see it happen. Since there's no responsibility on the dog owner to prove that his dog is a service dog, it's a liability issue to kick them out. But if a customer complains that the dog is doing something wrong, management can take action.

Service dogs need to be: 4 on the floor, on a 6' or shorter leash or harness, heel whenever the handler stops, follow close when the handler moves, and not be sniffing the merchandise. In other words - they MUST behave while they're "on duty." If they aren't on duty, they're not supposed to be in the store at all.

[JCMSr]

So here are the updated guidelines for golfing in The Villages during the current pandemic as posted by the villages management....

"Starting Wednesday, April 8, all Championship and Executive Golf Courses will close at 4:00pm following the last tee time. No tee times will be available after 4:00pm on any Championship or Executive golf courses. This means, anyone wishing to play golf must have a tee time prior to 4:00pm on any Championship or Executive course. Anyone found on a Championship or Executive golf course who did not have a tee time prior to 4:00pm will be asked to leave the course. As usual, all golf courses are for golfing traffic only."

Note the last sentence begins by "As usual". This is nothing new and has always been the rule for at least the 6 years that I have lived here. Golf courses can be a dangerous place for people out for a stroll and not paying attention. Heavy equipment used for maintenance can be actively working even if the course is closed. Many times I have noticed the maintenance crews out before the sun is up cutting the grass and taking care of other cleanup using their headlights to guide them. Do you really want to trust your life on whether they will seen you in time to avoid an accident as you casually stroll down the path with your dog? Please observe the rules and keep everyone safe. Just because you pay amenity/maintenance fees or trail fees does not give you the right to ignore the rules which are there for your safety first and not necessarily your convenience. Live with it!

[TOMMY D]

The reason people with dogs think golf courses replace dog parks are the same one who use my lawn. They feel entitled to let there dog do its business anywhere they take it other than their own lawn. There is such a thing as private property and rules.

[npwalters]

Had a 3:57 tee time yesterday. Ambassador on the course couple hole behind us. We finished pick up food, on the way back, on same course 3 set of people out walking dogs.

Assuming the golfers are all off the course; what does this hurt?

[npwalters]

I (gasp) walked the cart path on one of the courses yesterday about 7:30 PM. Golfers were long gone. Passed a few dog walkers. The dogs were on a leash, not on the greens or tee boxes, and - I assume - the owner was responsible enough to use a doggie bag if necessary. I just don't see a problem with this.

[Anne17]

This is my understanding also. No golfing without a tee time period. Golfers who use the courses after 4 without a tee time, will ruin the playing for everyone because the next step is to close all courses all the time. Please don't ruin this for all. Make a tee time within the open hours.

[JCMSr]

I (gasp) walked the cart path on one of the courses yesterday about 7:30 PM. Golfers were long gone. Passed a few dog walkers. The dogs were on a leash, not on the greens or tee boxes, and - I assume - the owner was responsible enough to use a doggie bag if necessary. I just don't see a problem with this.

The problem is that you do not own this property and are therefore technically trespassing. In the event that you were involved in an accident there are also potential liability issues for the owner. Would you consider it acceptable to walk around your neighbors property when they are not home after they specifically asked you not to? I would hope not. Be considerate and just follow the rules, Please!

[xkbob]

Why would they make a 4PM tee time cut off in the first place, and how does people playing after 4PM, illegally, cause the 4PM cut off and possible complete shutdown?

[PugMom]

Looks like a severe case of the..... I saws

I saw some one with along leash

I saw some one walk on a golf cart path

I saw some one with an extra roll of toilet paper

I saw some one parked enjoying lunch in their golf cart

List goes On and On and on

thank you:icon_wink:

[npwalters]

The problem is that you do not own this property and are therefore technically trespassing. In the event that you were involved in an accident there are also potential liability issues for the owner. Would you consider it acceptable to walk around your neighbors property when they are not home after they specifically asked you not to? I would hope not. Be considerate and just follow the rules, Please!

You did not answer the basic question. Since I pay the same amenity fee as everyone else and IF it is well after hours with no golfers - what harm is being done? Why should anyone on this site care?

[JCMSr]

Why would they make a 4PM tee time cut off in the first place, and how does people playing after 4PM, illegally, cause the 4PM cut off and possible complete shutdown?

I believe this policy originally started when the Championship courses found themselves without enough employees to fill all the the positions necessary to man the starter shacks and the pro shop. Therefore, they began to shut down the pro shops at 2 pm after everyone from the afternoon wave should have checked in. This left only the slots for the starter shacks and the ambassadors to fill.

[JCMSr]

You did not answer the basic question. Since I pay the same amenity fee as everyone else and IF it is well after hours with no golfers - what harm is being done? Why should anyone on this site care?

If by "on this site" you are referring to Talk of The Villages the answer is that eventually those few who choose to ignore the rules will cause the courses to be shut down for the rest of us. As to who does and does not pay amenity fees I cannot see how that gives you the right to trespass. By the way, you did not mention whether you paid the trail fees or not (not that it matters).

[Bogie Shooter]

I (gasp) walked the cart path on one of the courses yesterday about 7:30 PM. Golfers were long gone. Passed a few dog walkers. The dogs were on a leash, not on the greens or tee boxes, and - I assume - the owner was responsible enough to use a doggie bag if necessary. I just don't see a problem with this.

There is no problem of keeping non golfers from the courses all the time. Has been that way since I first became a Villager (2002).....and has not been a problem.

[Bogie Shooter]

Let's be honest, the only one being selfish is the Developer. They like to play dictator since they control the Villages.

Well, well a new Developer basher.

[Bogie Shooter]

You did not answer the basic question. Since I pay the same amenity fee as everyone else and IF it is well after hours with no golfers - what harm is being done? Why should anyone on this site care?

Does your logic hold for climbing over the gate at a pool after hours, so you can swim?

[npwalters]

If by "on this site" you are referring to Talk of The Villages the answer is that eventually those few who choose to ignore the rules will cause the courses to be shut down for the rest of us. As to who does and does not pay amenity fees I cannot see how that gives you the right to trespass. By the way, you did not mention whether you paid the trail fees or not (not that it matters).

I actually do pay the trail fee for when I use my cart to golf but since I'm talking about walking along the path after all golf has ceased I don't see how that applies. The trail fee only applies to carts.

[Vknanu3]

I was talking to an Ambassador... he said if golf is shut down in The Villages, it will probably be because people are sneaking on courses after the 4pm curfew.
There are "golf haters" taking pictures of golfers, and Community Watch has been told to patrol and call the sheriff if people on the course won't leave.
Maybe you golfed after hours before with no repercussions, but this is a different time.
Please don't be selfish...
So before 4:00 you can’t get the virus but after 4:00 you can?

[npwalters]

Does your logic hold for climbing over the gate at a pool after hours, so you can swim?

I think you need to set up a watch post to ensure that isn't happening.

[Bogie Shooter]

I think you need to set up a watch post to ensure that isn't happening.

So your logic failed........

[Bogie Shooter]

So before 4:00 you can’t get the virus but after 4:00 you can?

No direct connection with catching the virus......staffing issue. Read all the posts!

[NHsnow1]

Played Cane Garden this morning and had 2
walkers in front of us as we were teeing off.
We asked them to wait until we hit so no one would be
In danger. They did move off to the side and eventually
turned around and walked to the previous hole
We played $94 to play there and do not expect to see
Walkers. There were no ambassadors around so it went
Unnoticed!!

[Karen4722@yahoo.com]

Yes, please obey the rules
We don’t want or need another thing to do taken away

[Skunky1]

I believe walking on the golf cart paths after play has been terminated in the evenings is a great idea. No bikes, no dogs and no carts. Just people out for a nice stroll in the evening.

[Mumbles]

I think you need to set up a watch post to ensure that isn't happening.

If the Family cares, they should have a select number of drones they can fly over the courses to check. I don't know if they DO have them, but if not, it could be time.

[Villageswimmer]

I’m a golfer (not during this crisis) and I do not have a dog, so I have no dog in this fight. Ha ha.

Anyway, I’m just wondering...in this social distancing world, folks need to spread out. Is it possible that people (with or without dogs) simply need a place to walk in the evening without getting too close?
I think Dog parks, Weichens and Polo grounds are closed. Is it really so awful if they walk on cart paths? Maybe I have more faith than most but I think the vast majority are responsible dog owners.

Oh, and I’ll throw the b s flag on the insurance argument. TV is far too savvy to not have liability insurance around the clock.
PS - it never even occurred to me to walk a cart path, but why not live and let live?

[anothersteve]

I believe walking on the golf cart paths after play has been terminated in the evenings is a great idea. No bikes, no dogs and no carts. Just people out for a nice stroll in the evening.

Pedestrians and any unauthorized person, persons, and person or persons with their dogs, on any part of any of the courses, has always been prohibited, any time of the day or night. What the hell makes people think it's alright now??

Steve

[photo1902]

Pedestrians and any unauthorized person, persons, and person or persons with their dogs, on any part of any of the courses, has always been prohibited, any time of the day or night. What the hell makes people think it's alright now??

Steve

My guess is because they are "entitled" and that the rules don't pertain to them.

[Bogie Shooter]

Played Cane Garden this morning and had 2
walkers in front of us as we were teeing off.
We asked them to wait until we hit so no one would be
In danger. They did move off to the side and eventually
turned around and walked to the previous hole
We played $94 to play there and do not expect to see
Walkers. There were no ambassadors around so it went
Unnoticed!!

Isn't there a phone number on the score card?

[Bogie Shooter]

I believe walking on the golf cart paths after play has been terminated in the evenings is a great idea. No bikes, no dogs and no carts. Just people out for a nice stroll in the evening.

That should work rather well...…………...another new set of rules to replace a very simple one.

[wereback]

I left the villages nearly 3 years ago for the lack of health care that was and still is. the same I do miss golf

[Incoblack1]

Very much agree! Who is being harmed by opening up the courses to walkers/bikers after golf has ended?

[Velvet]

I (gasp) walked the cart path on one of the courses yesterday about 7:30 PM. Golfers were long gone. Passed a few dog walkers. The dogs were on a leash, not on the greens or tee boxes, and - I assume - the owner was responsible enough to use a doggie bag if necessary. I just don't see a problem with this.

Private property, think if you were not at home and some people walked their dogs inside your living room without your permission, would you feel they were violating your private property? I would.

[karostay]

Just drove by Havana parking lot full of blue cones golfers everywhere socializing
Just because you pay there's different set of enforcement rules are rules
Where the someone who has a friend that an ambassador on this one

[joshgun]

This has already been discussed on another thread with over 100 posts, you must of missed it. There is a difference between no teetimes after 4pm and the course is closed at 4pm. What we have is no teetimes after 4pm, and the course is always closed to walkers, joggers, dog walkers, bicyclist, residents and outsiders playing golf without going through the starter. Now, as far as what we really have. GolfingEagles explained it best on that other thread, here it is.



I kow your next comment is, don't shoot me I'm just the messenger, I'm just telling you what the ambassador said. I'm just telling you, what he said wasn't correct. What's correct is what GolfingEagles said.
At 4 Pm the tenth hole at OBG has an ambassador and/or a one and ours even closed sign. It was my interpretation you cannot tee off after 4 pm on 1st hole or number 10.

[golfing eagles]

At 4 Pm the tenth hole at OBG has an ambassador and/or a one and ours even closed sign. It was my interpretation you cannot tee off after 4 pm on 1st hole or number 10.

Maybe they were starting all groups on 10 all day long

[davem4616]

Played Cane Garden this morning and had 2
walkers in front of us as we were teeing off.
We asked them to wait until we hit so no one would be
In danger. They did move off to the side and eventually
turned around and walked to the previous hole
We played $94 to play there and do not expect to see
Walkers. There were no ambassadors around so it went
Unnoticed!!


Walkers don't belong on a golf course....if someone is stupid enough to walk onto a golf course right in front of golfer's teeing off or between golfers on the fairway and the green they absolutely deserve to get hit in the head, neck, shoulders, stomach, groin, leg, ankle anywhere...they don't belong there

I wonder if these 'entitled' folks are stupid enough to walk across the driving range down on Rolling Acres when it's packed with folks hitting balls, or would they walk across the shooting lanes over at Shooter's World after hearing 'ready on the right, ready on the left'

[justjim]

I (gasp) walked the cart path on one of the courses yesterday about 7:30 PM. Golfers were long gone. Passed a few dog walkers. The dogs were on a leash, not on the greens or tee boxes, and - I assume - the owner was responsible enough to use a doggie bag if necessary. I just don't see a problem with this.

I trying to understand your logic. It’s not okay to golf on an executive golf course after golfers with a tee time finish for the day but it is okay to walk your dog on the golf course after golf is finished for the day. :ohdear:

[Jacob85]

It doesn’t make sense to me that we can’t play golf after hours the way we did before. It is safer because you can play alone or with your partner. If you get a tee time they put other people with you who may not follow the six foot distance rule so if everything they are doing is for our safety they are missing the boat.

[golfing eagles]

It doesn’t make sense to me that we can’t play golf after hours the way we did before. It is safer because you can play alone or with your partner. If you get a tee time they put other people with you who may not follow the six foot distance rule so if everything they are doing is for our safety they are missing the boat.

It's actually pretty simple. They never want anyone to play unless there is an ambassador out there to supervise play. Whether or not they actually do that or not is another discussion, but I think they do a great job. There aren't enough staff members to keep everything running at the usual times, that's why the championship courses went to straight tee times and all courses have a last tee time of 4PM. Today I heard 57 staff members have elected to stay home during this time, whether that is true or not---???????

[xkbob]

I believe this policy originally started when the Championship courses found themselves without enough employees to fill all the the positions necessary to man the starter shacks and the pro shop. Therefore, they began to shut down the pro shops at 2 pm after everyone from the afternoon wave should have checked in. This left only the slots for the starter shacks and the ambassadors to fill.

I was asked to leave course at 7:25 PM. The ambassador could just as easily taken my Id # as before. Makes more business sense and could lower our fees for next year because of more revenue. But I guess we need to be punished. Makes as much sense to me.

[fdpaq0580]

I trying to understand your logic. It’s not okay to golf on an executive golf course after golfers with a tee time finish for the day but it is okay to walk your dog on the golf course after golf is finished for the day. :ohdear:
Change the words golfers to swimmers, golf course to sports pool and change " walk your dog" to "wash your dog", and it becomes : it's not okay to swim in the sports pool after swim time is over but it is okay to wash you dog in the pool after hours. Get the logic now, Justjim? Folks here, like folks everywhere, want what they want without regard for laws, rules, respect for others property, etc. As for the "I don't see the problem" type comments, they are either (sadly) too dumb to see the problem or, more likely , just don't want to see it.

[bagboy]

I was asked to leave course at 7:25 PM. The ambassador could just as easily taken my Id # as before. Makes more business sense and could lower our fees for next year because of more revenue. But I guess we need to be punished. Makes as much sense to me.

Did you know that you weren't supposed to be there at that time?

[Villagelee]

Most weed choppers crap all over the courses and don’t follow simple rules. There will be always people who crap on rules.
what the heck is a weed chopper?

[kcrazorbackfan]

I’ve ran a few off Southern Star since the 4pm shutdown started.

I asked them, in a nice way of course, what part of the “course closed sign” did they not understand?

[kcrazorbackfan]

It doesn’t make sense to me that we can’t play golf after hours the way we did before. It is safer because you can play alone or with your partner. If you get a tee time they put other people with you who may not follow the six foot distance rule so if everything they are doing is for our safety they are missing the boat.

Seriously? You can’t tell people to stay 6’ away from you? Man up (or lady up) and use a stern voice and tell them to back off. It could save your life.

[thomp679]

Don't you all get tired off complaining about everything under the sun for the umpteenth time? Maybe its time to get off the computer, step outside, and just be glad you are alive.

[NJblue]

I notice that no one can come up with a valid reason why walkers are not allowed on the course after the golfers are finished. The primary response has been, "because those are the rules". Do people ever question whether the rules make sense? I bet if they came out and said people are no longer allowed to walk on the sidewalks, or no golf cars allowed to be out after 6 PM the same people here would be out defending these rule with the same arcane logic - because it's the rules.

With everything closed down in The Villages, I would think that those who claim to want to make this a great place to live should be looking for creative ways to safely improve our lifestyle in these trying times rather than just ways to clamp down on it. I'm sure that walking on a golf course cart path after the golfers are gone has got to be one of the safest things one can do here - certainly safer than walking on the sidewalk which necessitates crossing sometimes busy streets. It is also far safer than walking on a multi-modal path with golf carts speeding by - yet no one has any problem with that.

[Kayakguy]

Agree completely for post #76. Last year I was looking forward to moving to The Villages as a great place to live.
Today, having been reading these blogs for some time, I am now not so sure.
The carping about everything, and the people whose hobby is riding around in golf carts just looking for infractions of HOA rules are a big turnoff.

[stan the man]

It's actually pretty simple. They never want anyone to play unless there is an ambassador out there to supervise play. Whether or not they actually do that or not is another discussion, but I think they do a great job. There aren't enough staff members to keep everything running at the usual times, that's why the championship courses went to straight tee times and all courses have a last tee time of 4PM. Today I heard 57 staff members have elected to stay home during this time, whether that is true or not---???????

I heard that's not true

[stan the man]

Agree completely for post #76. Last year I was looking forward to moving to The Villages as a great place to live.
Today, having been reading these blogs for some time, I am now not so sure.
The carping about everything, and the people whose hobby is riding around in golf carts just looking for infractions of HOA rules are a big turnoff.

You're right I would stay where you are. You seem like such a nice person and I don't think you will fit in here. Just stay where you are

[Zenbion]

This whole thread is amazing with everyone so up in arms over something so trivial. Have any of them noticed we have a global situation? But a dog on a golf course turns people into raving lunatics? Get a grip! Personally I would never walk a dog on a golf course considering the level of chemicals dumped everywhere. Grab your Zoloff and chill out.

[John_W]

...Last year I was looking forward to moving to The Villages as a great place to live. Today, having been reading these blogs for some time, I am now not so sure. The carping about everything, and the people whose hobby is riding around in golf carts just looking for infractions of HOA rules are a big turnoff.

Remember when Jerry Seinfeld bought his dad Morty a Cadillac and the people in his Florida retirement community Del Boca Vista, arousing suspicion among his neighbors, particularly Jack Klompus, that he was stealing from the board coffers. He was impeached and resigned when the tie-breaking voter Mabel Choate turned against him upon remembering that Jerry had stolen a loaf of Marble Rye bread from her. That show was more real than you think.

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[fdpaq0580]

I notice that no one can come up with a valid reason why walkers are not allowed on the course after the golfers are finished. The primary response has been, "because those are the rules". Do people ever question whether the rules make sense? I bet if they came out and said people are no longer allowed to walk on the sidewalks, or no golf cars allowed to be out after 6 PM the same people here would be out defending these rule with the same arcane logic - because it's the rules.

With everything closed down in The Villages, I would think that those who claim to want to make this a great place to live should be looking for creative ways to safely improve our lifestyle in these trying times rather than just ways to clamp down on it. I'm sure that walking on a golf course cart path after the golfers are gone has got to be one of the safest things one can do here - certainly safer than walking on the sidewalk which necessitates crossing sometimes busy streets. It is also far safer than walking on a multi-modal path with golf carts speeding by - yet no one has any problem with that.

Sorry this response is so late. How about this, a golf course is NOT a public park, dog park, polo field or off-road mud-buggy play area. Therefore, you should NOT be there unless you have checked in with the starter and been sent onto the course to play golf.
I would like to believe you are smart enough to understand this. Sadly, far too many folks either are too dumb to understand while others just pretend they don't understand.

[thomp679]

The problem is that you do not own this property and are therefore technically trespassing. In the event that you were involved in an accident there are also potential liability issues for the owner. Would you consider it acceptable to walk around your neighbors property when they are not home after they specifically asked you not to? I would hope not. Be considerate and just follow the rules, Please!

So who exactly owns the property? I'm asking in reference to the executive golf courses? Several people love to use this argument so I am curious.

[thomp679]

Sorry this response is so late. How about this, a golf course is NOT a public park, dog park, polo field or off-road mud-buggy play area. Therefore, you should NOT be there unless you have checked in with the starter and been sent onto the course to play golf.
I would like to believe you are smart enough to understand this. Sadly, far too many folks either are too dumb to understand while others just pretend they don't understand.

First, I am not using the golf courses after hours, but not afraid to defend those that do.

From an executive golf course perspective, I think we all pay the bonds that built the courses and pay the amenity fees to help maintain them. If the course is closed to golf in the later part of the day during these troubled times, what is the harm to you and all others that seem to have an issue? After the Covid-19 time, this is a moot point since the course is open until dusk.

I would say 99.9% of the people are respectful and it is a lot more safe than walking in the streets. Find another way to be productive with your time.

[Villageswimmer]

Agree. Why do people have to be so mean? These are not ordinary times. No one should be golfing after 4. Be kind.

[MSchad]

I’m sure these folks could answer why you shouldn’t be on the course after hours; Golf And Country Club Administration at 352-753-3396

[golfing eagles]

First, I am not using the golf courses after hours, but not afraid to defend those that do.

From an executive golf course perspective, I think we all pay the bonds that built the courses and pay the amenity fees to help maintain them. If the course is closed to golf in the later part of the day during these troubled times, what is the harm to you and all others that seem to have an issue? After the Covid-19 time, this is a moot point since the course is open until dusk.

I would say 99.9% of the people are respectful and it is a lot more safe than walking in the streets. Find another way to be productive with your time.


Not a valid argument----"I pay for it"

I don't swim laps, but pay for sports pools---why can't I wade in the middle and play with my rubber duckie?

I pay school taxes, but have no kids in school---why can't I sit in a kindergarten class and finger paint with the kiddies?

I don't knit, but pay for the rec centers where they have knitting class---why cant I go there and play a trumpet?

Everything we pay for has a designated purpose and rules. Individuals cannot change the purpose or the rules because "they feel like it", or it "makes sense to them", or because they pay into the pot.

Excuse me, but now I have to go dig up "my share" of the flowers in a roundabout and plant them in my yard. Oh, yes, if I was allergic to flowers I'd still be paying for them too.

[photo1902]

You did not answer the basic question. Since I pay the same amenity fee as everyone else and IF it is well after hours with no golfers - what harm is being done? Why should anyone on this site care?

For the same reason we can’t use the dog parks as a driving range.

[dewilson58]

For the same reason we can’t use the dog parks as a driving range.


:bigbow:


or driving ranges as dog parks.

[bilcon]

I saw means: " It Happens". Sunday night at 6:30 a guy and a kid were on the second hole of the executive course I live on. I told him it was closed and go home. Lucky for me, he left. Course closed and no guests.

[anothersteve]

So who exactly owns the property? I'm asking in reference to the executive golf courses? Several people love to use this argument so I am curious.

VCDD Golf (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/golf/golf.aspx)

It's usually pretty easy to find such info.

Steve

[mulligan]

VCDD Golf (https://www.districtgov.org/departments/golf/golf.aspx)

It's usually pretty easy to find such info.

Steve
That would be VCCDD , Villages Center Community Development District. CDD's are run by an elected board chosen from the landowners within that CDD. In the VCCDD, the only landowner is the developer. The exec courses south of 466 are owned by the developer. They are , in fact, Private property.

[CWGUY]

That would be VCCDD , Villages Center Community Development District. CDD's are run by an elected board chosen from the landowners within that CDD. In the VCCDD, the only landowner is the developer. The exec courses south of 466 are owned by the developer. They are , in fact, Private property.

:) Did you mean CR44?

[golfing eagles]

That would be VCCDD , Villages Center Community Development District. CDD's are run by an elected board chosen from the landowners within that CDD. In the VCCDD, the only landowner is the developer. The exec courses south of 466 are owned by the developer. They are , in fact, Private property.

Doesn't really matter if they are private or public, public spaces can make rules:
"Park closes at dusk"
"No alcoholic beverages"
"No smoking"
"No pets"

Individuals don't get to rewrite the rules

[thomp679]

Not a valid argument----"I pay for it"

I don't swim laps, but pay for sports pools---why can't I wade in the middle and play with my rubber duckie?

I pay school taxes, but have no kids in school---why can't I sit in a kindergarten class and finger paint with the kiddies?

I don't knit, but pay for the rec centers where they have knitting class---why cant I go there and play a trumpet?

Everything we pay for has a designated purpose and rules. Individuals cannot change the purpose or the rules because "they feel like it", or it "makes sense to them", or because they pay into the pot.

Excuse me, but now I have to go dig up "my share" of the flowers in a roundabout and plant them in my yard. Oh, yes, if I was allergic to flowers I'd still be paying for them too.

Funny...I never said 'I'. I used the pronoun 'We' as in us as a community. You imply everything has a designated purpose. Not quite true.

You cannot attend kindergarten, but you are able to use the school building for outside activities when school is not in session.

You might not swim laps, but that is your own personal choice.

You don't knit, but you can join or even start up a trumpet club that is held at one of the rec centers.

So exactly how are you impacted by the current situation with someone setting foot on a golf course? Try being a good neighbor.

[thomp679]

For the same reason we can’t use the dog parks as a driving range.

Well, the driving ranges are still open so it wouldn't make sense to go to a dog park to hit balls. However, as an active dog park user, you are more then welcome to go down to the park and hit balls while its closed. You must not be a very good golfer if that is all the land you need.

Oh, and if you happen to see a dog turd pile, would you be kind enough to pick it up while you are down there. There are free poop bags right next to the gate.

Thanks

[thomp679]

That would be VCCDD , Villages Center Community Development District. CDD's are run by an elected board chosen from the landowners within that CDD. In the VCCDD, the only landowner is the developer. The exec courses south of 466 are owned by the developer. They are , in fact, Private property.

Thanks for the information, Mulligan...balance of message isn't in response to your reply.

Now that we know the golf couses are in fact 'private property' that is owned by the developer, then wouldn't it be the developer or its representatives who should address any violations with the golf course?

Let's try to find a real world problem to be concerned about and help resolve. Did you know the food banks are low on funds? Maybe there is a neighbor that you could help out.

We are blessed if golf course issues are the only things we have to discuss.

[golfing eagles]

Funny...I never said 'I'. I used the pronoun 'We' as in us as a community. You imply everything has a designated purpose. Not quite true.

You cannot attend kindergarten, but you are able to use the school building for outside activities when school is not in session.

You might not swim laps, but that is your own personal choice.

You don't knit, but you can join or even start up a trumpet club that is held at one of the rec centers.

So exactly how are you impacted by the current situation with someone setting foot on a golf course? Try being a good neighbor.


It was a generic "I"

What is so hard about this?

I "choose" not to swim laps, but it doesn't give me the right to turn a sports pool into a wading pool

Someone may "choose" not to play golf, it doesn't give them the right to turn the course into a dog park or walking trail.

Pretty simple, huh?

Here's another simple concept: Instead of pleading your case on TOTV, where all you're likely to get is blowback, try contacting golf course management to get the rules changed. At the very least they will explain to you why they made the rules the way they did.

PS: "Good neighbors" don't violate the rules of the community by doing their own "thing"

[biker1]

What "mulligan" posted is not correct. The executive courses south of 466 (but north of 44) are owned by the CDDs, not the developer. I believe the executive courses south of 44 are still owned by The Developer and will eventually be turned over to the CDDs.

Thanks for the information, Mulligan...balance of message isn't in response to your reply.

Now that we know the golf couses are in fact 'private property' that is owned by the developer, then wouldn't it be the developer or its representatives who should address any violations with the golf course?

Let's try to find a real world problem to be concerned about and help resolve. Did you know the food banks are low on funds? Maybe there is a neighbor that you could help out.

We are blessed if golf course issues are the only things we have to discuss.

[Kgcetm]

It's the ambassador's job to deal with people walking their dogs on the golf course.
Idiots are often violent. You may want to call Community Watch and report the people.Had a 3:57 tee time yesterday. Ambassador on the course couple hole behind us. We finished pick up food, on the way back, on same course 3 set of people out walking dogs.

[thomp679]

It was a generic "I"

What is so hard about this?

I "choose" not to swim laps, but it doesn't give me the right to turn a sports pool into a wading pool

Someone may "choose" not to play golf, it doesn't give them the right to turn the course into a dog park or walking trail.

Pretty simple, huh?

Here's another simple concept: Instead of pleading your case on TOTV, where all you're likely to get is blowback, try contacting golf course management to get the rules changed. At the very least they will explain to you why they made the rules the way they did.

PS: "Good neighbors" don't violate the rules of the community by doing their own "thing"

I will keep it simple as I am not Barney Fife. I am not pleading a case as I do not walk or use the courses other than playing golf.

But I have two questions.

1) You still haven't stated the impact or damage to your life caused by the concerns of this topic?

2) Why should I be restricted to 'pleading' a case on TOTV as you continually plead your views.

In the mortal words of Barney Fife, the Villages newest after hours ambassdor...

Barney: All I'm saying is that there are some things beyond the ken of mortal man that shouldn't be tampered with. We don't know everything, Andy. There's plenty goin' on right now in the Twilight Zone that we don't know anything about and I think we oughta stay clear. :ho:

[Medtrans]

It was a generic "I"

What is so hard about this?

I "choose" not to swim laps, but it doesn't give me the right to turn a sports pool into a wading pool

Someone may "choose" not to play golf, it doesn't give them the right to turn the course into a dog park or walking trail.

Pretty simple, huh?

Here's another simple concept: Instead of pleading your case on TOTV, where all you're likely to get is blowback, try contacting golf course management to get the rules changed. At the very least they will explain to you why they made the rules the way they did.

PS: "Good neighbors" don't violate the rules of the community by doing their own "thing"

Well said!

[golfing eagles]

I will keep it simple as I am not Barney Fife. I am not pleading a case as I do not walk or use the courses other than playing golf.

But I have two questions.

1) You still haven't stated the impact or damage to your life caused by the concerns of this topic?

2) Why should I be restricted to 'pleading' a case on TOTV as you continually plead your views.

In the mortal words of Barney Fife, the Villages newest after hours ambassdor...

Barney: All I'm saying is that there are some things beyond the ken of mortal man that shouldn't be tampered with. We don't know everything, Andy. There's plenty goin' on right now in the Twilight Zone that we don't know anything about and I think we oughta stay clear. :ho:


1) Doesn't impact me at all, other than the theoretical domino effect of allowing some people to break the rules. We already seem to "tolerate" packs of cyclists blowing thru yield and stop signs as if they were a single entity---what's next

2) I'm not trying to change an existing rule, if I were I'd be "pleading" my case to the people that count.

Well said!

Not everyone thinks so:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: