Founding Fathers rolling over in their graves?

[Dcurrie911]

The US government has chosen to close 10’s of thousands if not 100’s of thousands of small business while Walmart is allowed to sell anything from underwear to fishing lures. Surely forcing many thousands of businesses into bankruptcy. Worse yet the various government agencies disallowed church services on one of the most holy days of Christian belief. And yet all I seem to hear around here is “ please mr. government help us, tell us what else we need to do, shut down, or disallow? Please help us...”

Our community (55+) should be the most vocal against this abuse of government power. Help the younger people to understand that this great country was not built on socialistic government control. Yes, they (the government) should apply all resources to finding a treatment, a vaccine, and informing the citizens of the best way to combat it. And yes, every individual and business owner should be free to choose to stay home or close it’s doors. And yes every church should decide what is best for their parishioners . But the government has vastly overstepped their moral and ethical bounds. Yes, they have the “right” to do what they have done only because they wrote it into their own laws and we the people choose to let them do it. But lessons need to be learned and the government needs to hear that they are out of line, else the next time they will encroach even further onto our civil liberties.

Let the shooting of the messenger begin!....

[DianeM]

Not going to shoot you. Just disagree with you. That’s life.

[anothersteve]

The US government has chosen to close 10’s of thousands if not 100’s of thousands of small business while Walmart is allowed to sell anything from underwear to fishing lures. Surely forcing many thousands of businesses into bankruptcy. Worse yet the various government agencies disallowed church services on one of the most holy days of Christian belief. And yet all I seem to hear around here is “ please mr. government help us, tell us what else we need to do, shut down, or disallow? Please help us...”

Our community (55+) should be the most vocal against this abuse of government power. Help the younger people to understand that this great country was not built on socialistic government control. Yes, they (the government) should apply all resources to finding a treatment, a vaccine, and informing the citizens of the best way to combat it. And yes, every individual and business owner should be free to choose to stay home or close it’s doors. And yes every church should decide what is best for their parishioners . But the government has vastly overstepped their moral and ethical bounds. Yes, they have the “right” to do what they have done only because they wrote it into their own laws and we the people choose to let them do it. But lessons need to be learned and the government needs to hear that they are out of line, else the next time they will encroach even further onto our civil liberties.

Let the shooting of the messenger begin!....

Sure is a fine line between fact and fiction.

[Marathon Man]

I think that they might be wondering what is so darned important about that new fangled toilet paper.

[JoMar]

The US government has chosen to close 10’s of thousands if not 100’s of thousands of small business while Walmart is allowed to sell anything from underwear to fishing lures. Surely forcing many thousands of businesses into bankruptcy. Worse yet the various government agencies disallowed church services on one of the most holy days of Christian belief. And yet all I seem to hear around here is “ please mr. government help us, tell us what else we need to do, shut down, or disallow? Please help us...”

Our community (55+) should be the most vocal against this abuse of government power. Help the younger people to understand that this great country was not built on socialistic government control. Yes, they (the government) should apply all resources to finding a treatment, a vaccine, and informing the citizens of the best way to combat it. And yes, every individual and business owner should be free to choose to stay home or close it’s doors. And yes every church should decide what is best for their parishioners . But the government has vastly overstepped their moral and ethical bounds. Yes, they have the “right” to do what they have done only because they wrote it into their own laws and we the people choose to let them do it. But lessons need to be learned and the government needs to hear that they are out of line, else the next time they will encroach even further onto our civil liberties.

Let the shooting of the messenger begin!....

Nope but also disagree, since you believe you have a right to infect and kill people with a virus because you want to I want them to take away your civil liberties since you don't seem to care whom you hurt.

[JimJohnson]

Take advice from members of the armed services on military maters.
Take advice on health from the medical experts.
From these people you will receive information based on facts not emotion or personal desires.

[drpepper]

I believe 100% that you are correct. We will look back on this and find that all the shutdowns were an over reaction to what was reported to us and that the virus wasn't near as deadly as 1st reported. One positive would be less dependence on China possibly.

[retiredguy123]

The OP is pointing a finger at the "U.S. Government" for abusing government power. But, what about the rest of the world? Aren't they doing basically the same thing as far as shutting things down? Even the Pope cancelled his open church service. What government is acting differently?

[jebartle]

The US government has chosen to close 10’s of thousands if not 100’s of thousands of small business while Walmart is allowed to sell anything from underwear to fishing lures. Surely forcing many thousands of businesses into bankruptcy. Worse yet the various government agencies disallowed church services on one of the most holy days of Christian belief. And yet all I seem to hear around here is “ please mr. government help us, tell us what else we need to do, shut down, or disallow? Please help us...”

Our community (55+) should be the most vocal against this abuse of government power. Help the younger people to understand that this great country was not built on socialistic government control. Yes, they (the government) should apply all resources to finding a treatment, a vaccine, and informing the citizens of the best way to combat it. And yes, every individual and business owner should be free to choose to stay home or close it’s doors. And yes every church should decide what is best for their parishioners . But the government has vastly overstepped their moral and ethical bounds. Yes, they have the “right” to do what they have done only because they wrote it into their own laws and we the people choose to let them do it. But lessons need to be learned and the government needs to hear that they are out of line, else the next time they will encroach even further onto our civil liberties.

Let the shooting of the messenger begin!....

Where is the popcorn!!!!

[Maxsan]

We look back at the interment of Japanese in America, some thought it horrible when it was happening. Who was right, history judges it was unfair but justifiable do to panic. Better to be safe than sorry? And, we did make amends!

[tsmall22204]

Believe it or not, the public is often to stupid to protect itself. There are those that do not believe this virus is a problem and go around infecting others. If you want to jump off a bridge then jump but dont grab someone on your way down.

[SacDQ]

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln

[boobear51751]

Step back and take a breath. First of all churches are just buildings made of mortar and wood. You don't need to be in a building full of people who could potentially kill you with a virus they are carrying. You can read the Bible at home, you can pray at home, you can watch a service on your tv. You don't need to be in a church building. Think about the clergy and their families. Do they want to expose their families to this awful disease. We need to concur this disease and packing people into a building will only further the assault we are under. Second: Wal-Mart also provides not only food but has a pharmacy inside its' building which makes it an essential business. I have seen much smaller grocery stores still open, because again, they are essential. The stimulus package, when in finally arrives, will get the small business back on their feet. This type of setback happens whenever there is a disaster not just this virus. The real question is: How often do people make it a point to shop at only small retail stores? These small business will also get no interest loans to help get them up and running again. A well run small business if handled properly will have enough backup assets to hold them for a few months just in case. So yes, we do need Wal-Mart stores, Targets and the like. Third: Government doesn't always get it right because there are far to many cooks in the kitchen. Our governor could do a better job in not playing politics and getting what The Villages really needs, a huge testing site for all of our residents to have access to. Being a research site doesn't cut it.

[matandch]

You’re wrong. That I can tell you.

[lwmilo]

Totally agree. People like the government when it benefits them but are full of one way thinking when they are not pleased. Think about it.

[Waddling Eagle]

The US government has not closed a single business, nor does it have the authority to do so. All quarantine actions and business closures have been on the order of local and state authorities. Some states, such as Kentucky and Michigan, have closed even drive-in church services, for example. Others have not. Vermont ordered Target and Walmart to sell only food items and to close off the rest of the stores.

[SacDQ]

The media is currently telling us the the US death toll is hire than Italy and climbing. We’re now the hugest in the world.
Take a deep breath! Ok now Italy has a population of around 23 million. The USA 2018 senses was around 350 million. This doesn’t account for legal visitors and illegal visitors so will add another 3 million. Now do the math and tell me who has the highest death rate percentage.

[Kms1506]

I am a front line registered nurse and hope you or your family doesn’t need my services. Is this short sacrificing worth my life or my family so you can go to different areas. Selfish

[davem4616]

Funny how all this 'staying at home' stuff is affecting people differently...the individual that made this OP obviously has lost whatever few marbles they had when they moved here and has gone literally gone over the edge and is now 'bat crazy'....
hopefully it's like sea sickness and goes away

a little disappointing that the first post is dripping with venom and anger...too bad there isn't an audio to these posts...they could have included a few 'foot stomps' to make their point

I'm responding hoping that they'll read this so that they know that in the era when messengers where actually being killed for delivering the wrong message they didn't have the ability to 'shoot' them ....firearms arrived on the scene much later

just saying

[Annie66]

We look back at the interment of Japanese in America, some thought it horrible when it was happening. Who was right, history judges it was unfair but justifiable do to panic. Better to be safe than sorry? And, we did make amends!

I certainly do not agree with your assessment. California did inter Japanese people, both American citizens and immigrants. On the other hand, Hawaii did not. No act during the war was documented in Hawaii involving treason by them. Tell me which decision was correct?

[StephenG]

Those who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither and will ultimately receive neither.

[gemini5001]

I agree 100%.

[Kerry Azz]

The US government has chosen to close 10’s of thousands if not 100’s of thousands of small business while Walmart is allowed to sell anything from underwear to fishing lures. Surely forcing many thousands of businesses into bankruptcy. Worse yet the various government agencies disallowed church services on one of the most holy days of Christian belief. And yet all I seem to hear around here is “ please mr. government help us, tell us what else we need to do, shut down, or disallow? Please help us...”

Our community (55+) should be the most vocal against this abuse of government power. Help the younger people to understand that this great country was not built on socialistic government control. Yes, they (the government) should apply all resources to finding a treatment, a vaccine, and informing the citizens of the best way to combat it. And yes, every individual and business owner should be free to choose to stay home or close it’s doors. And yes every church should decide what is best for their parishioners . But the government has vastly overstepped their moral and ethical bounds. Yes, they have the “right” to do what they have done only because they wrote it into their own laws and we the people choose to let them do it. But lessons need to be learned and the government needs to hear that they are out of line, else the next time they will encroach even further onto our civil liberties.

Let the shooting of the messenger begin!....

26505 Deaths And 606685 cases confirmed you cannot be serious. So you’d like to go to Sunday services and increase the odds of this virus doing even more damage? A very slow response from our government put us behind this pandemic leading us to believe this was not worth worrying about so if your mad and upset maybe find a direction to point your anger at. Yes this is an over 55 community but unfortunately we have a bunch of adults acting like teenagers still hanging out in groups and not socially distancing themselves thus endangering even more people. Stop complaining about your civil liberties being denied let’s figure out what we need to do to get past this so we can get back to normal.:MOJE_whot:

[ficoguy]

We look back at the interment of Japanese in America, some thought it horrible when it was happening. Who was right, history judges it was unfair but justifiable do to panic. Better to be safe than sorry? And, we did make amends!

Yep - this time its not the Japanese its us

[ficoguy]

It shows the myriad of government agencies and the vast power they can wield over our daily lives. Whats it gonna be next time? German measles?

[gemini5001]

I agree 100%.

[ficoguy]

Lets review all the overlap of federal and state agencies and define their missions so we don't have the left hand not knowing what the right had is doing - everyone ordering masks and high priced medical equipment, states competing against each other, federal government agencies bidding against each other, driving up prices and creating pockets of over/under supply. When this is done we will probably have 50,000 ventilators that will be obsolete because the net models will be cheaper, better....

[dmarti1973]

I am just astounded at the lack of insight at the original post. I can just imagine what that post would be if all businesses were forced to close! Ya know, some people will complain if their ice cream is cold!

[Joyce952]

Have you been living under a rock? Look at how many people have died from this virus. This is serious

[Westie Man]

The US government has chosen to close 10’s of thousands if not 100’s of thousands of small business while Walmart is allowed to sell anything from underwear to fishing lures. Surely forcing many thousands of businesses into bankruptcy. Worse yet the various government agencies disallowed church services on one of the most holy days of Christian belief. And yet all I seem to hear around here is “ please mr. government help us, tell us what else we need to do, shut down, or disallow? Please help us...”

Our community (55+) should be the most vocal against this abuse of government power. Help the younger people to understand that this great country was not built on socialistic government control. Yes, they (the government) should apply all resources to finding a treatment, a vaccine, and informing the citizens of the best way to combat it. And yes, every individual and business owner should be free to choose to stay home or close it’s doors. And yes every church should decide what is best for their parishioners . But the government has vastly overstepped their moral and ethical bounds. Yes, they have the “right” to do what they have done only because they wrote it into their own laws and we the people choose to let them do it. But lessons need to be learned and the government needs to hear that they are out of line, else the next time they will encroach even further onto our civil liberties.

Let the shooting of the messenger begin!....

Vote against the church closers

[graciegirl]

Vote against the church closers

I bet the one on high understands...…………...

[graciegirl]

So many exaggerations, untrue statements, unfound rumors, poor information and outright lies floating around.

Some people find good in things and share them.

Others vent their fear in angry statements with incorrect information. Some people only recognize one emotion; anger.

WALMART like other businesses are ordered to sell only food items at this time.

[Shamp]

Sadly not everyone is intelligent enough to follow basic protocol. As an example of churches holding services, at least 2 ministers who preached that they and their flocks would be immune since they were so close to God, have died. In California, I think something like 40 people who went to church have Covid 19 now. As to Walmart being open, again I agree with the ruling, as the isles are wide. Small independent shops are SMALL and there is no way to keep a distance of 6 or more feet. No one WANTS the businesses to go under, but it's saving lives. If I were to complain about anything, it would be our government not taking action soon enough when we saw what was happening in other countries. At that time, we should have been checking our resources to be sure we were prepared for a pandemic. Bush brought this up in 2005 and Obama in 2014. Our president calling Covid 19 a hoax is like the white supremists calling the holocaust a hoax. Both shameful.

[xNYer]

The US government has chosen to close 10’s of thousands if not 100’s of thousands of small business while Walmart is allowed to sell anything from underwear to fishing lures. Surely forcing many thousands of businesses into bankruptcy. Worse yet the various government agencies disallowed church services on one of the most holy days of Christian belief. And yet all I seem to hear around here is “ please mr. government help us, tell us what else we need to do, shut down, or disallow? Please help us...”

Our community (55+) should be the most vocal against this abuse of government power. Help the younger people to understand that this great country was not built on socialistic government control. Yes, they (the government) should apply all resources to finding a treatment, a vaccine, and informing the citizens of the best way to combat it. And yes, every individual and business owner should be free to choose to stay home or close it’s doors. And yes every church should decide what is best for their parishioners . But the government has vastly overstepped their moral and ethical bounds. Yes, they have the “right” to do what they have done only because they wrote it into their own laws and we the people choose to let them do it. But lessons need to be learned and the government needs to hear that they are out of line, else the next time they will encroach even further onto our civil liberties.

Let the shooting of the messenger begin!....

What orders were there by the federal government to close businesses?

[Windguy]

I believe 100% that you are correct. We will look back on this and find that all the shutdowns were an over reaction to what was reported to us and that the virus wasn't near as deadly as 1st reported. One positive would be less dependence on China possibly.

When you were a child, your parents and teachers told you that you should stop, look both ways, and listen before crossing the street. This was good advice and you probably never got run over by a car because you did those things (or were just damn lucky). Now, later in life, you look back and think that was totally unnecessarily because you never got run over!

That seems to be your thinking here. If a complete disaster is avoided it’s because people take precautions—not because there was never a dire threat.

Another example that people like you mention is Y2K. No disaster happened because we spent billions upgrading hardware and software to prevent the disaster—not because there was no real threat. People worked long, hard hours to prevent it and when people like you make fun of it, you are belittling their effort.

How about the ozone hole? Many people like you complain that you want your Freon and it was unfair for the government to outlaw its use. We were warned that millions of people would die of skin cancer if the hole expanded to cover the earth. But millions didn’t die. Not because there wasn’t a threat, but because we prevented the ozone hole from expanding by banning Freon.

There are many examples like this. You really do need to quit watching fake “news” programs that tell you the be outraged over things so they can manipulate you into doing things that are not really in your best interest.

[xNYer]

The media is currently telling us the the US death toll is hire than Italy and climbing. We’re now the hugest in the world.
Take a deep breath! Ok now Italy has a population of around 23 million. The USA 2018 senses was around 350 million. This doesn’t account for legal visitors and illegal visitors so will add another 3 million. Now do the math and tell me who has the highest death rate percentage.

Senses? Hire? Italian population 23 million?

[Jacob85]

Have you not read about the Pandemic of 1918? Read that before you throw out all of your uninformed opinions.

[retiredguy123]

Sadly not everyone is intelligent enough to follow basic protocol. As an example of churches holding services, at least 2 ministers who preached that they and their flocks would be immune since they were so close to God, have died. In California, I think something like 40 people who went to church have Covid 19 now. As to Walmart being open, again I agree with the ruling, as the isles are wide. Small independent shops are SMALL and there is no way to keep a distance of 6 or more feet. No one WANTS the businesses to go under, but it's saving lives. If I were to complain about anything, it would be our government not taking action soon enough when we saw what was happening in other countries. At that time, we should have been checking our resources to be sure we were prepared for a pandemic. Bush brought this up in 2005 and Obama in 2014. Our president calling Covid 19 a hoax is like the white supremists calling the holocaust a hoax. Both shameful.
He didn't call Covid 19 a hoax.

[sloanst]

Yes, this is a time that will challenge small businesses. However, I frequent several small businesses and while they may have changed certain aspects of how they do business, they are still open. Restaurants can go "pick up only" and for those that do, I am tipping 50% to help their staff. For those of us that live in TV, we should be the first to support those small businesses now and when they reopen. It is up to you.

[72lions]

Maybe the next time you post something, you will try using facts instead of emotion. First, the US government has not shut down a thing. There is not one small business in America that was forced to close it’s doors because of any action by the federal government. Secondly, in Florida as throughout most of the country, governments did not shut down churches. The leaders of the church dud. Thank goodness they had the foresight to close their sanctuaries and provide other means of warship.

We are a very fortunate community. Almost all of us have better health than the average American in this age population. Very few of us are forced to interact with the public to earn a living. And, even though our houses may be on top of each other, we still live in a relatively sparsely dense neighborhood.

For God sake, quit complaining and go for a walk.

[msilagy]

So much of what you said is factual. Thank you for refuting some of the first comments. Premier medical still testing if necessary. Call, speak with a medical person and do video to see if you qualify and go there and get tested.

[Two Bills]

Population of Italy 61 million. (just to help with the math!)

[HelenLCSW]

The US government has chosen to close 10’s of thousands if not 100’s of thousands of small business while Walmart is allowed to sell anything from underwear to fishing lures. Surely forcing many thousands of businesses into bankruptcy. Worse yet the various government agencies disallowed church services on one of the most holy days of Christian belief. And yet all I seem to hear around here is “ please mr. government help us, tell us what else we need to do, shut down, or disallow? Please help us...”

Our community (55+) should be the most vocal against this abuse of government power. Help the younger people to understand that this great country was not built on socialistic government control. Yes, they (the government) should apply all resources to finding a treatment, a vaccine, and informing the citizens of the best way to combat it. And yes, every individual and business owner should be free to choose to stay home or close it’s doors. And yes every church should decide what is best for their parishioners . But the government has vastly overstepped their moral and ethical bounds. Yes, they have the “right” to do what they have done only because they wrote it into their own laws and we the people choose to let them do it. But lessons need to be learned and the government needs to hear that they are out of line, else the next time they will encroach even further onto our civil liberties.

Let the shooting of the messenger begin!....

Firstly, we do not have nor are under any socialist governmental rule —the decisions you are talking about were made by Republican President and both Democratic and Republican Governors based on advice from all the leading epidemiologists in the country.
Secondly, The last pandemic we had in this country lasted 2 years — it was 100 years ago and we didn’t have the scientific expertise that we have now. Do you really want this pandemic to last that long? If not, stop making this a political issue —don’t listen to any government guidelines —but please listen closely to the infectious disease specialists who don’t take any political position, but call the shots as they see them.

[jebartle]

Senses? Hire? Italian population 23 million?

Spell-check does crazy things, may not be their fault.

[ladybugsmom]

I AGREE TOTALLY! Thank you! Excellent post!

[LSTOWELL]

The US government has chosen to close 10’s of thousands if not 100’s of thousands of small business while Walmart is allowed to sell anything from underwear to fishing lures. Surely forcing many thousands of businesses into bankruptcy. Worse yet the various government agencies disallowed church services on one of the most holy days of Christian belief. And yet all I seem to hear around here is “ please mr. government help us, tell us what else we need to do, shut down, or disallow? Please help us...”

Our community (55+) should be the most vocal against this abuse of government power. Help the younger people to understand that this great country was not built on socialistic government control. Yes, they (the government) should apply all resources to finding a treatment, a vaccine, and informing the citizens of the best way to combat it. And yes, every individual and business owner should be free to choose to stay home or close it’s doors. And yes every church should decide what is best for their parishioners . But the government has vastly overstepped their moral and ethical bounds. Yes, they have the “right” to do what they have done only because they wrote it into their own laws and we the people choose to let them do it. But lessons need to be learned and the government needs to hear that they are out of line, else the next time they will encroach even further onto our civil liberties.

Let the shooting of the messenger begin!....
If we all did what you suggest thousands more would be dead,packing churches,you'd want schools open too,..non essential business people would die cuzz all the people going in their stores and restaurants would get them sick..
Your children and grandchildren would die due to the ignorance and selfishness of other human beings.yourself included

[pianoman88]

...and invoking the Founding Fathers is a clear indication that you do not know American History. These are the men who granted the right to vote to ONLY land-owning men. The men who counted non-whites as 1/2 a person. The men who were clearly the elitists of their day, and had little regard for less advantaged among them. They were brilliant enough write a Constitution that would allow the government to evolve over the years, to recognize that a despot could be elected and limited Presidential power, and purposely had just enough 'wiggle room' in their language to ensure ratification, yet allow for progress. I do believe the Founders would be astounded at the USA of today. But they would be aghast at our interpretations of certain parts of their creation. They would shake their heads in wonderment at things like the Second Amendment being used to justify AR15s in the hands of urban thugs.

[HelenLCSW]

I believe 100% that you are correct. We will look back on this and find that all the shutdowns were an over reaction to what was reported to us and that the virus wasn't near as deadly as 1st reported. One positive would be less dependence on China possibly.

What do you say now when It is now 2 months later and you see that everything the infectious disease people were telling us was true. This is not a political issue —this was clearly a pandemic early on.

[tomhinz]

If the government wouldn't have did what they did, we would have had hundreds of more cases of the virus and deaths and I am sure people would be complaining about that also.

[Jacksig]

The "US Government" does not have the authority nor did it shut down anything. That was up to each State. Please at least start with the facts. Sate and Local Gov'ts instituted each shut down

[John_W]

Vote against the church closers

I saw a sheriff on TV this morning address that very issue. They are not stopping you from worshiping, but where and how you can worship. Sometimes you have to figure things out for yourself, the government can't hold your hand all the time. However, if you don't use common sense, they have to protect you from yourself.

[jbrown132]

In the state where I come from Walmart can only sell food, just like any other grocery store.

[ficoguy]

Is the government ever really sorry?

[ficoguy]

it was 2/3 of a person.

[Twiganne]

I believe the point the man was making is just how far will this go. If it goes too far this time what about the next. Yes I understand his point but at this time we have to do as instructed as not to infect ourselves or others. Also the government has no authority to shut things down but the governors of each state do. It called states rights and the founding fathers wrote it that way. The government has no power over the states unless it is to mandate the federal laws on the books. The governors have to manage each state as they see fit. There are other states with fewer cases that are wide open. The governor sets the guidelines for each state though the take their cue from the federal government recommendations.

[john352]

If the government ordered a curfew was for our area because of louting of homes damaged by a tornado, I suspect that you would call that encroachment of our civil liberties. Your post has many misleading statements.

Because of the US Constitution, only that states have the power to order the closure of businesses and only within that state’s jurisdiction. For this emergency, the US government established guidelines that included social distancing. The states and local governments then issued local orders based on the emergency guidelines. In our area, non-essential businesses were ordered to close; but, grocery stores were considered essential businesses. Walmart’s grocery business is considered “essential.” If Walmart had stopped people from buying “underwear to fishing lures,” then extremists would be posting complaints calling that erosion of our civil liberties.

[croughwell]

Unfortunately, people are idiots and so many refused to follow the guidelines forcing TV to close pools if you remember. There are lots of self-entitled villages here. Lot of people who think they should be able to do what they want, when they want... They are more important than anyone.

The government closed nonessential business because if not, everyone would have been out... business as usual!

[roenstad]

Over reaction ?!? I think 20,000 people would disagree with you- if they still had a voice. That’s the latest count of the dead - as of today.

[ficoguy]

I saw a sheriff on TV this morning address that very issue. They are not stopping you from worshiping, but where and how you can worship. Sometimes you have to figure things out for yourself, the government can't hold your hand all the time. However, if you don't use common sense, they have to protect you from yourself.

Not saying what denominations or sects, but look at the hot spots in NJ and you will see....

[ficoguy]

...and invoking the Founding Fathers is a clear indication that you do not know American History. These are the men who granted the right to vote to ONLY land-owning men. The men who counted non-whites as 1/2 a person. The men who were clearly the elitists of their day, and had little regard for less advantaged among them. They were brilliant enough write a Constitution that would allow the government to evolve over the years, to recognize that a despot could be elected and limited Presidential power, and purposely had just enough 'wiggle room' in their language to ensure ratification, yet allow for progress. I do believe the Founders would be astounded at the USA of today. But they would be aghast at our interpretations of certain parts of their creation. They would shake their heads in wonderment at things like the Second Amendment being used to justify AR15s in the hands of urban thugs.

I think the land ownership thing was tied to English law, which is really what 90% of the constitution was based on. Land owners had rights, but they also had skin in the game.

[jimmio]

My opinion varies on a few points in the OP's message. But one thing I've often wondered as well, and no one else replied to this point, is why are the "big boy" stores the only ones that certain states allow to do business? I believe that Walmart is the biggest employer in the world, (I could be wrong?) and with that kind of power, be it economic or political, are allowed to do business while the little stores languish under these biased sanctions.
Is Walmart, Target, etc.., the know all, see all, only omnipotent protectors from the virus as you shop stores?
Have you been in a Walmart lately? It is filled with disgusting people. I may get grief over that statement but you know it's true. Something about that store seems to attract the pick-um-up truck with a camper in the bed that parks there for weeks. Yet Walmart's safer that Mom and Pops grocery store?
I don't think so.

[ficoguy]

I saw a sheriff on TV this morning address that very issue. They are not stopping you from worshiping, but where and how you can worship. Sometimes you have to figure things out for yourself, the government can't hold your hand all the time. However, if you don't use common sense, they have to protect you from yourself.

Are they stopping only Christian churches or mosques and synogoges as well?

[katbangle]

I totally agree we people have a voice, this has to stop

[Daddymac]

Come up to NY. I came here over 3 Weeks ago, For 5 days. Still here and you don’t want to go out. People here are sick and Dying. So think what you want, But this Shut Down was the best thing to do... We have to protect the Dumbest Americans from their Self.
:boom:
:pray::pray:
::bigbow:
:spoken:

[xNYer]

Are they stopping only Christian churches or mosques and synogoges as well?

Is this a serious question?

[John_W]

Are they stopping only Christian churches or mosques and synogoges as well?

Ask this guy, he's one that was complaining, I posted what the sheriff said exactly. We're not telling you not to worship, we're just telling you where and how.
Originally Posted by Westie Man
Vote against the church closers

[allsport]

30,000 and counting with yesterday our deadliest day. That number may seem fine to you but let's make that all of your relatives and close and distant friends and everyone you ever worked with, they are all gone. Glad to hear with that kind of loss you do not find that serious.

[Katieburr]

Over reaction? Not as deadly as we thought? Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people who have suffered and died from the virus. I bet you’re one of those people who are not following all the guidelines to stay well and are oblivious to how bad it is.

[fdpaq0580]

OP says " let the shooting of the messenger begin". In the days when this type of thing actually happened messengers often lied rather than put their lives in jeopardy. So it is no wonder to me that information and it's source are double/triple checks. Slows the decision making process. So, who is right, the one that says " he who hesitates is lost" or the one who says " look before you leap" ? No piece of advice is correct for every situation. Only the Monday morning quarterbacks get it right. And even than not 100% right.

[shariys]

I am a front line registered nurse and hope you or your family doesn’t need my services. Is this short sacrificing worth my life or my family so you can go to different areas. Selfish

Amen! I am SO sick and tired of selfish, arrogant people who think their almighty right to do exactly what they want, exactly when they want, overrides any concern whatsoever for the well-being of anyone else. I suppose the OP thinks it's just the flu, or maybe a hoax. And there are covid clusters that have been traced back to church services. Does God not hear us when we pray at home? Is an online church service not acceptable in God's eyes? As was already stated to the OP, you may have the right to jump off a bridge, but you DON'T have the right to take as many as possible with you! And my THANKS to nurses, doctors, and first responders, for risking their lives every day to help and protect us!

[shariys]

Those who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither and will ultimately receive neither.

Apparently the difference is not understood between revolution against a tyrant and a deadly pandemic that continues to kill largely-elderly people in our very own cities and towns.

[SouthJerseyGirl]

It’s called common sense for the common good - and you are calling that a bad thing? SMH...

[shariys]

So many exaggerations, untrue statements, unfound rumors, poor information and outright lies floating around.

Some people find good in things and share them.

Others vent their fear in angry statements with incorrect information. Some people only recognize one emotion; anger.

WALMART like other businesses are ordered to sell only food items at this time.

I agree with you entirely. However, only in some states can Walmart sell only food and medicine. Here the stores are open all the way through, at least they sure were two days ago.

[Professor]

Even the messenger is entitled to an opinion...however stupid it may be. If the Pope says mass on Easter to an empty basilica, there is likely good reason for it (and we were up at 5 AM watching). If you want to die you can do so, but many of us want to live to see our great grandchildren. A little protection is necessary because people will not do what they should do many times, no matter who else they hurt. You can call it freedom...I can call it stupidity and selfishness...and so it goes.

[Aces4]

I agree 100%.

To what?

[nhlinda]

It took 3 months for 1,000,000 people to be infected by Covid19. It took 11 days to go from 1 million to 2 million. Ask yourself, how many more would be infected if social distancing was not enacted. It's too bad that some people (like low-paid Walmart workers and grocery store clerks and first-responders) can't stay home and be safe like the rest of us. But, thank God (or whoever you worship) they're there for us. :bigbow:

[shariys]

Are they stopping only Christian churches or mosques and synogoges as well?

ALL religious gatherings. Closures directed only at churches would clearly be illegal.

[clevegrrl]

Essential businesses are not closed which includes small mom and pop grocers, pharmacies, hardware stores, restaurants (carryout or delivery), etc.

Maybe think back to the polio epidemic where similar restrictions took place and thousands of hospital wards filled with floors of children and adults in iron lungs. And if you survived, the horrible treatments, years of physical therapy and possible paralysis. Many people ended up in hospitals for years under quarantine and many spent the rest of their lives in institutions.

I think a few months of closures and social isolation is well worth the contribution to the greater good of our society as a whole. These types of sacrifices were put in place in the past as well.

[DONS999]

Why is it now that the death of .006% of the American population from sickness can now shut down the whole country and change how we gather maybe forever??

If we are going react to all these end of the world numbers without understanding that all the models have been way off and that the media never uses % s unless it helps their agenda.

The human race has survived in spite of politicians , wars , weather, and even the plagues. ( read ' Get Well Soon' Jennifer Wright , History's Worst Plagues)

The politicians and the un elected bureaucracy now know that the Constitution and freedom can be ignored and they can control all our lives if less than 1% of the population is in danger and that they will never been held accountable if their predictions are way off .

Good luck Snowflakes and ladies

[JimJohnson]

The OP is pointing a finger at the "U.S. Government" for abusing government power. But, what about the rest of the world? Aren't they doing basically the same thing as far as shutting things down? Even the Pope cancelled his open church service. What government is acting differently?

It appears that southern churches are the ones blowing off the warnings.

[graciegirl]

Take a minute a look carefully at actual photographs and signs and even cartoons of the similar Pandemic in 1918-1919, a hundred years ago. Even with all of the things we know now, it seems very much the same.

pictures from the pandemic in 1918 - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=pictures%20from%20the%20pandemic%20in%201 918&FORM=HDRSC2&fbclid=IwAR2IXKXgmw__-4ft9OwWRglUTDnW0Q00AzEHYNPGVK_l_LsSMXFKl6S5fmA)

[DianeM]

Step back and take a breath. First of all churches are just buildings made of mortar and wood. You don't need to be in a building full of people who could potentially kill you with a virus they are carrying. You can read the Bible at home, you can pray at home, you can watch a service on your tv. You don't need to be in a church building. Think about the clergy and their families. Do they want to expose their families to this awful disease. We need to concur this disease and packing people into a building will only further the assault we are under. Second: Wal-Mart also provides not only food but has a pharmacy inside its' building which makes it an essential business. I have seen much smaller grocery stores still open, because again, they are essential. The stimulus package, when in finally arrives, will get the small business back on their feet. This type of setback happens whenever there is a disaster not just this virus. The real question is: How often do people make it a point to shop at only small retail stores? These small business will also get no interest loans to help get them up and running again. A well run small business if handled properly will have enough backup assets to hold them for a few months just in case. So yes, we do need Wal-Mart stores, Targets and the like. Third: Government doesn't always get it right because there are far to many cooks in the kitchen. Our governor could do a better job in not playing politics and getting what The Villages really needs, a huge testing site for all of our residents to have access to. Being a research site doesn't cut it.

The only piece I disagree with is thinking that TV should have its own huge testing site. Why? We’re no better or any more important than anyone else.

[DONS999]

Take a minute a look carefully at actual photographs and signs and even cartoons of the similar Pandemic in 1918-1919, a hundred years ago. Even with all of the things we know now, it seems very much the same.

pictures from the pandemic in 1918 - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=pictures%20from%20the%20pandemic%20in%201 918&FORM=HDRSC2&fbclid=IwAR2IXKXgmw__-4ft9OwWRglUTDnW0Q00AzEHYNPGVK_l_LsSMXFKl6S5fmA)

Isn't it great to be able to research and find context even with the libraries closed

great post

[DianeM]

the media is currently telling us the the us death toll is hire than italy and climbing. We’re now the hugest in the world.
Take a deep breath! Ok now italy has a population of around 23 million. The usa 2018 senses was around 350 million. This doesn’t account for legal visitors and illegal visitors so will add another 3 million. Now do the math and tell me who has the highest death rate percentage.

bingo !!!!!!!!!

[Aces4]

Why is it now that the death of .006% of the American population from sickness can now shut down the whole country and change how we gather maybe forever??

If we are going react to all these end of the world numbers without understanding that all the models have been way off and that the media never uses % s unless it helps their agenda.

The human race has survived in spite of politicians , wars , weather, and even the plagues. ( read ' Get Well Soon' Jennifer Wright , History's Worst Plagues)

The politicians and the un elected bureaucracy now know that the Constitution and freedom can be ignored and they can control all our lives if less than 1% of the population is in danger and that they will never been held accountable if their predictions are way off .

Good luck Snowflakes and ladies

Snowball, you haven’t lost a son or daughter or spouse or any family member, friend or neighbor yet due to covid19, obviously.

[retiredguy123]

///

[DONS999]

Snowball, you haven’t lost a son or daughter or spouse or any family member, friend or neighbor yet due to covid19, obviously.


Did you have that much concern when in 2018 850,000 Americans were hospitalized by the flu and 40,000 died

they were family members too

[bumpygreens]

When you were a child, your parents and teachers told you that you should stop, look both ways, and listen before crossing the street. This was good advice and you probably never got run over by a car because you did those things (or were just damn lucky). Now, later in life, you look back and think that was totally unnecessarily because you never got run over!

That seems to be your thinking here. If a complete disaster is avoided it’s because people take precautions—not because there was never a dire threat.

Another example that people like you mention is Y2K. No disaster happened because we spent billions upgrading hardware and software to prevent the disaster—not because there was no real threat. People worked long, hard hours to prevent it and when people like you make fun of it, you are belittling their effort.

How about the ozone hole? Many people like you complain that you want your Freon and it was unfair for the government to outlaw its use. We were warned that millions of people would die of skin cancer if the hole expanded to cover the earth. But millions didn’t die. Not because there wasn’t a threat, but because we prevented the ozone hole from expanding by banning Freon.

There are many examples like this. You really do need to quit watching fake “news” programs that tell you the be outraged over things so they can manipulate you into doing things that are not really in your best interest.

Everything has a cost regardless of which choice you make. Your statement about Freon couldn't be more wrong. Tens of millions died in the developing world...from food poisoning when they lost an affordable means of refrigeration.

You really should consider abandoning the "people like you" phrase. It makes it sound like you believe yourself to be superior, when all you really have is a different misunderstanding. Most news is fake news to one degree or another. Six conglomerates own all our major news outlets. We get opinion disguised as news, and we tend to watch the channels that reinforce our beliefs. "We the People" are being herded into a "house divided", and nobody seems to realize it let alone question why.

[DONS999]

Everything has a cost regardless of which choice you make. Your statement about Freon couldn't be more wrong. Tens of millions died in the developing world...from food poisoning when they lost an affordable means of refrigeration.

You really should consider abandoning the "people like you" phrase. It makes it sound like you believe yourself to be superior, when all you really have is a different misunderstanding. Most news is fake news to one degree or another. Six conglomerates own all our major news outlets. We get opinion disguised as news, and we tend to watch the channels that reinforce our beliefs. "We the People" are being herded into a "house divided", and nobody seems to realize it let alone question why.

don't forget about the 500,000 a year that die from malaria because DDT cannot be used

[Aces4]

Did you have that much concern when in 2018 850,000 Americans were hospitalized by the flu and 40,000 died

they were family members too

Are you able to discern the number of afflicted and deceased from covid19 even while we are in pretty strict insolation and the country is pretty much shutdown? How does one deduce one is comparing apples to apples with that criteria? Critical thinking is required for a cohesive discussion regarding this matter.

[Aces4]

don't forget about the 500,000 a year that die from malaria because DDT cannot be used

Approximately, 5 people per year may die from malaria in the USA.

[bumpygreens]

Approximately, 5 people per year may die from malaria in the USA.

And approximately 1,000,000 in the rest of the world.

[Aces4]

And approximately 1,000,000 in the rest of the world.

I believe the discussion pertains to the handling of the covid19 pandemic in the US, not how the rest of the countries that need to deal with malaria. BTW, DDT reaped far more damage than it helped when used for bug control.

[RedBoneJones]

The circulation of such false claims is dangerous and distracts from actual true and pertinent information.

[DONS999]

Approximately, 5 people per year may die from malaria in the USA.

worldwide

the number was to add to the Freon comment

[Matzy]

Wow, after reading all the posts...... Some making me speechless ..... So I let Henry Ford answer..:“Thinking is the hardest thing a man can do, probably the reason so few of them do it.”
Two things (facts) I can't get off my mind. 1. The US government was informed January 3rd 2020 first time about what could come up very fast for the country.
2. End of February I watched TV accidentally when 'somebody' said, this virus is a 'hoax'.
All others we can probably read in the upcoming ten year in history books when we know for sure what was fiction and non-fiction.

[Aces4]

worldwide

the number was to add to the Freon comment

See post #98

[karostay]

:shrug:Baby Wipe

[jet10s]

Nope but also disagree, since you believe you have a right to infect and kill people with a virus because you want to I want them to take away your civil liberties since you don't seem to care whom you hurt.
WHAT ABOUT WALMART -- how do they take precedence over small businesses -- I for am hoping that this will all be over 4/30 -- very tired of people telling me what to do how to do and when to do -- and that is my opinion

[sallybowron]

I think that they might be wondering what is so darned important about that new fangled toilet paper.

I wish I could buy TP new fangled or not

[Mumbles]

I believe 100% that you are correct. We will look back on this and find that all the shutdowns were an over reaction to what was reported to us and that the virus wasn't near as deadly as 1st reported. One positive would be less dependence on China possibly.

If what you say is factual and true, then what about those two meat-packing plants where a sickening number of workers have developed this insidious killer? Would they still have developed it if their places had closed down 2-3 weeks ago like so many others? I think it would have been HIGHLY unlikely. So what is your REAL argument?:popcorn:

[Mumbles]

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln

If I may present you with the real thing. . . .

DID ABRAHAM LINCOLN SAY ‘AMERICA WILL NEVER BE DESTROYED FROM THE OUTSIDE’?
Widely shared memes contained a quotation that is commonly attributed to the Great Emancipator.
• DAN MACGUILL
• PUBLISHED 3 JUNE 2019


An often misquoted version of Abraham Lincoln’s words is:

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

But, the original that Lincoln said was this:

“At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”

“Paraphrased from his 1838 speech at the Young Men’s Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois.” :coolsmiley:

[blueash]

Originally Posted by sacdq
the media is currently telling us the the us death toll is hire than italy and climbing. We’re now the hugest in the world.
Take a deep breath! Ok now italy has a population of around 23 million. The usa 2018 senses was around 350 million. This doesn’t account for legal visitors and illegal visitors so will add another 3 million. Now do the math and tell me who has the highest death rate percentage.

Population of Italy 61 million. (just to help with the math!)

Don't try to confuse me with facts. I've got my mind made up.
Alternatively
Don't try two confuse me with fax. I've got mai mined maid up.

Homophones (https://www.dictionary.com/e/homograph-vs-homophone-vs-homonym/) are tricky

[rlcooper70]

Quite an opinion ... you seem to be saying that people have the right to make decisions which are very likely to impact negatively on society as a whole? And you seem to feel this is what capitalism is all about.

What would happen if you did some reading on just what the Founding Fathers envisioned to be the role of the federal government - one small piece being to "protect the general welfare" ... duh ... has it occurred to you that stopping the spread of this virus fits under that heading?.

[shariys]

Did you have that much concern when in 2018 850,000 Americans were hospitalized by the flu and 40,000 died

they were family members too

THERE ARE TREATMENTS for the flu. THERE ARE VACCINES for the flu. Sorry to shout, but the snow must be clogging up your brain.

[ExecChef57]

Step back and take a breath. First of all churches are just buildings made of mortar and wood. You don't need to be in a building full of people who could potentially kill you with a virus they are carrying. You can read the Bible at home, you can pray at home, you can watch a service on your tv. You don't need to be in a church building. Think about the clergy and their families. Do they want to expose their families to this awful disease. We need to concur this disease and packing people into a building will only further the assault we are under. Second: Wal-Mart also provides not only food but has a pharmacy inside its' building which makes it an essential business. I have seen much smaller grocery stores still open, because again, they are essential. The stimulus package, when in finally arrives, will get the small business back on their feet. This type of setback happens whenever there is a disaster not just this virus. The real question is: How often do people make it a point to shop at only small retail stores? These small business will also get no interest loans to help get them up and running again. A well run small business if handled properly will have enough backup assets to hold them for a few months just in case. So yes, we do need Wal-Mart stores, Targets and the like. Third: Government doesn't always get it right because there are far to many cooks in the kitchen. Our governor could do a better job in not playing politics and getting what The Villages really needs, a huge testing site for all of our residents to have access to. Being a research site doesn't cut it.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790). The People make the decision not for the government to do. They have no right to close anything.

[Aces4]

Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790). The People make the decision not for the government to do. They have no right to close anything.

One person’s opinion, thankfully.

[Two Bills]

Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790). The People make the decision not for the government to do. They have no right to close anything.

A tad out of context I would hazard?

[StephenG]

“Those that trade freedom’s for safety will ultimately have neither.” “For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

[justjim]

He didn't call Covid 19 a hoax.

President Trump as I recall called it a Democrat hoax.

[justjim]

Did you have that much concern when in 2018 850,000 Americans were hospitalized by the flu and 40,000 died

they were family members too

Just to be fair, perhaps if mediation didn’t take place as recommended by CDC and other health scientists, there could have been a million deaths. We don’t know how many but suffice it to say it undoubtedly would be unknown thousands more Americans that would have died. BTW, it ain’t over until it’s over. A Yankee philosopher said that.

[kathy1516]

Thank you boo bear. Agree wholeheartedly with your intelligent post.

[shariys]

Did you have that much concern when in 2018 850,000 Americans were hospitalized by the flu and 40,000 died

they were family members too

THERE ARE TREATMENTS for the flu. THERE ARE VACCINES for the flu. Sorry to shout, but the snow must be clogging up your brain.

[Scorpyo]

I'm a conservative so I agree with everything Trump has done. Oh wait, I'm a liberal so I disagree with everything Trumps has done. Oh no wait, I'm libertarian so I haven't made up my mind yet. Let's face it, if we were Daytona Beach Spring Break Millennials we'd say let's party and forget about the old farts. But we're not so we actually care about the ugly potential consequences of contracting the virus considering the fact that we're more at risk. Does Trump, Shumer or Pelosi give a hoot about you and me? Not really. Trump has made decisions based on input from brilliant medical professionals like Fauci just so he can say it was on the advice of the best minds. Between that and blaming China and the WHO he'll most likely be re-elected. So, to the conversation at hand I agree with most of the closures, the social distancing, the stimulus, etc. It would not benefit us to close all stores. It would not benefit us to open all businesses. Even with what we're currently sacrificing we still have way more than any other country.

[jmarklove]

Those who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither and will ultimately receive neither.
life or liberty? sorry, it's a no brainer

[jmarklove]

People are dying folks, thousands of human beings all over the world. Fact! The issue is what do we value more, money and personal freedom, or human lives. No brainer...

[DianeM]

People are dying folks, thousands of human beings all over the world. Fact! The issue is what do we value more, money and personal freedom, or human lives. No brainer...

Not true. We actually need both. What good is living if there is no freedom. What good is living if the shelves are empty. Yes, people are dying. People died of H1N1 and life went on. It has to be restarted again.

[DONS999]

THERE ARE TREATMENTS for the flu. THERE ARE VACCINES for the flu. Sorry to shout, but the snow must be clogging up your brain.

If there are vaccines and treatments why are so many dying every year and yet we don't shut down the country

When this all over I think you will see the mortality rate of this virus will be close to sine flu, sars, and our annual flu with 40,000 to 60,000 not making it.

[Bay Kid]

Power. Look at what is happening in our country. Money. Look at all the gifts, $100,000,000. to PBS and the Kennedy Center as an example. How does this help our people/country?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The reason that this virus hasn't spread like wild fire in this community is because so many of us are in very susceptible categories that we are following the governments guidelines.

It is sometimes in cases of emergency that some of our rights are suspended. It is up to our elected officials to make certain decisions. Just as it was right for Lincoln to suspend habeas corpus during the civil war, it is right for the government to close certain businesses and disallow certain activities for the duration of this war.

I and far from a big government guy, but I do believe that there are times, such as this, where the government needs to step in and do what is needed.

IMHO, I think that both our federal and state governments have done an exceptional job in dealing with this crisis.

[shariys]

Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790). The People make the decision not for the government to do. They have no right to close anything.

The difference is obviously not understood between revolution against a tyrannical king and a pandemic that is killing thousands in this country alone.

[Henryk]

Step back and take a breath. First of all churches are just buildings made of mortar and wood. You don't need to be in a building full of people who could potentially kill you with a virus they are carrying. You can read the Bible at home, you can pray at home, you can watch a service on your tv. You don't need to be in a church building. Think about the clergy and their families. Do they want to expose their families to this awful disease. We need to concur this disease and packing people into a building will only further the assault we are under. Second: Wal-Mart also provides not only food but has a pharmacy inside its' building which makes it an essential business. I have seen much smaller grocery stores still open, because again, they are essential. The stimulus package, when in finally arrives, will get the small business back on their feet. This type of setback happens whenever there is a disaster not just this virus. The real question is: How often do people make it a point to shop at only small retail stores? These small business will also get no interest loans to help get them up and running again. A well run small business if handled properly will have enough backup assets to hold them for a few months just in case. So yes, we do need Wal-Mart stores, Targets and the like. Third: Government doesn't always get it right because there are far to many cooks in the kitchen. Our governor could do a better job in not playing politics and getting what The Villages really needs, a huge testing site for all of our residents to have access to. Being a research site doesn't cut it.

Too many cooks in the kitchen??? Open your eyes: the kitchen is empty.

[vermonster]

it was 2/3 of a person.
No, both wrong. It was 3/5 of a person. It was a compromise between representatives of northern and southern states revolving around power sharing (votes/representation) based on population.

[vermonster]

Not true. We actually need both. What good is living if there is no freedom. What good is living if the shelves are empty. Yes, people are dying. People died of H1N1 and life went on. It has to be restarted again.
You must be from New Hampshire ("Live free or die"). My apologies, I just couldn't resist the opening.

[DianeM]

You must be from New Hampshire ("Live free or die"). My apologies, I just couldn't resist the opening.

New York actually. Long Island specifically. No need for apologies. New Hampshire is gorgeous and I often wish I was in that neck of the woods.

[laurietopolski]

I am a front line registered nurse and hope you or your family doesn’t need my services. Is this short sacrificing worth my life or my family so you can go to different areas. Selfish

Thank you.

[laurietopolski]

Thank you