lofts of brownwood

[village dreamer]

they want the lofts to have all and full amenity's , I thought they would just have pool and that was it. they are going to have a special meeting to push it through.

[CFrance]

They have always said that the Lofts would have full amenities.

[MSchad]

they want the lofts to have all and full amenity's , I thought they would just have pool and that was it. they are going to have a special meeting to push it through.

Special meeting. When and where?? Or is this just pot stirring?

[karostay]

Wheels on the bus go round and round

[Chatbrat]

Considering the Covid pandemic, you have to be nuts to live in a maximum density environment that will use an elevator to get to the upper levels--our nation will change forever

[dewilson58]

They have always said that the Lofts would have full amenities.




Yes they did.


The meeting is for: Community Development District 9 is being asked to amend its existing boundaries to take in the new Lofts at Brownwood.

[dewilson58]

Special meeting. When and where?? Or is this just pot stirring?


read the online rag.

[Bay Kid]

They look nice, but I wouldn't like apartment life.

[Goldwingnut]

It is not a special meeting, this is the regularly scheduled meeting of CDD-9, only those CDDs with time sensitive issues are holding their meetings this month.

Annexing The Lofts into a residential CDD is an interesting topic. These are not residential properties, they are commercial properties, just like the many assisted living and care facilities around The Villages. It would be not only nice but critical to know the details of what CDD9 will inherit with the annexation? Does the CDD now get to now take care of the parking lots in The Lofts since they're not public roads, just like villa roads? How will the commercial aspects of the rentals be addressed, homes are not allowed but a 12x12 sign in the front window when for sale, if what's good for the goose is good for the gander than there should be zero tolerance for any on property signage for rentals and that it's a rental community. Will the CDD have the same oversight responsibility and abilities over this commercial property as over residential property? How about the ARC when the developer wants to make changes? There are a lot of other unanswered The lack of full details on this is unsettling at best.

If this is done, what's next? The assisted living and long term care facilities? Why not also add in the Waterfront Inn, the Brownwood Hotel, and the hotels at Spanish Springs?

If by chance CDD-9 doesn't annex this property it would be only a small stumbling block, the next place it would would be CDD-13 with its "land owner elected" board, and we all know there is only one land owners so far in CDD-13, the same one who owns The Lofts.

This is a mistake, CDD-9 residents and all the residents south of CR466 should let the Supervisors in CDD-9 they should not approve this commercial property annexation into the residential CDD until ALL THE DETAILS are known. Why all the residents south of CR466 in addition to CDD-9 residents, because this would now treat commercial property as part of the common properties that fall under the Project Wide Fund and PWAC. We don't know the full financial impact, and until we do this annexation shouldn't happen.

Could I be wrong on some of these points, of course, but we can't tell right or wrong yet because the information and detail aren't available.

[jacksonbrown]

From Of Two Minds (https://www.oftwominds.com/blogapr20/deflation4-20.html)

Here's a partial list of commodities that are in Overcapacity / oversupply:

1. Overvalued assets

2. Overpriced income streams (as income craters, so will the asset generating the income)

3. Labor: low-skill everywhere, high-skill in sectors experiencing systemic collapse in demand

4. AirBnB and other vacation rental properties

5. Overpriced flats, condos and houses

6. Overpriced rental apartments

______________________________________

Because I am a long-distance cyclist, I'm seeing an explosion in the building of housing (of all types) being built west of TV.

Why will people spend the big bucks for a "Loft" apartment when apartments and rentals will be available within a short drive to all the Village's squares, shopping, restaurants, etc.

[John_W]

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The Lofts of Brownwood The Villages (https://www.thevillages.com/thelofts/)

Apartment-style living with all the lifestyle The Villages has to offer. On-site amenities, recreation, golf car accessibility conveniently located at Brownwood Paddock Square, where you can enjoy all of the entertainment, dining, shopping and fun!

COST OF LIVING

The Lofts at Brownwood brings all new apartment-style living to The Villages — featuring one, two and three-bedroom open floor plans, with on-site recreation, golf car accessibility to Brownwood Paddock Square, entertainment, dining, shopping and fun! Through your monthly amenity fee, you’ll also have access to all of The Villages’ recreation, amenities and lifestyle our 55+ community offers.

Enjoy all The Villages lifestyle has to offer. Our surprisingly affordable monthly amenity fee of just $162.00 includes:

Free golf on all of our executive courses*
Swimming, tennis, pickleball, bocce and many more facilities are all conveniently located throughout the community
Over 3,000 organized activities every week through our Recreation Department
Fishing lakes, waterfront parks and fitness trails
24 hour community watch service

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Villages News - May 30, 2019

Lofts at Brownwood to offer apartment living with full amenity privileges in The Villages

Brisk progress is being made at the Lofts at Brownwood, which for the first time will offer apartment living with full use of amenities in The Villages.

The Lofts at Brownwood will include 265 age-restricted apartment-style units. The residents of the apartments will have their own private resort-style pool, clubhouse and fitness center. They also will have a dog park.

In addition, 100 percent of residents of the Lofts of Brownwood will have Villages amenities built into their rental fee.

Villages News - May 6, 2019

Lofts of Brownwood to have exclusive perks in addition to use of Villages amenities

Residents of the new Lofts of Brownwood will have exclusive perks in addition to full use of amenities in The Villages.

The topic was raised at Monday’s Project Wide Advisory Committee.

The Lofts of Brownwood will include 265 age-restricted apartment-style units. The residents of the apartments will their own private resort-style pool, clubhouse and fitness center. They will also have a dog park.

The discussion revealed that 100 percent of residents of the Lofts of Brownwood will have Villages amenities built into their rental fee.

Brisk progress continues on the lofts.

[DianeM]

they want the lofts to have all and full amenity's , I thought they would just have pool and that was it. they are going to have a special meeting to push it through.

If I’m paying 5 grand a month for an apartment, I damn well expect full amenities.

[Topspinmo]

They have always said that the Lofts would have full amenities.

But, they don’t pay amenities fee’s to districts. Which means moochers.

[Topspinmo]

If I’m paying 5 grand a month for an apartment, I damn well expect full amenities.

But, who are you paying the you’re amenities fees too?

To district I live in

[retiredguy123]

But, they don’t pay amenities fee’s to districts. Which means moochers.
The brochure says that you need to pay an amenity fee as a separate payment of $162. I assume that money is going to the same place as all amenity fees?

[photo1902]

But, they don’t pay amenities fee’s to districts. Which means moochers.

Simply not true.

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[Topspinmo]

Yes they did.


The meeting is for: Community Development District 9 is being asked to amend its existing boundaries to take in the new Lofts at Brownwood.


Amenities fees built into? Fine if apartment are in district and that fee paid to district for extra usage. I suspect that fee will go in to developers pocket and sh— on districts?

[DianeM]

Amenities fees built into? Fine if apartment are in district and that fee paid to district for extra usage. I suspect that fee will go in to developers pocket and sh— on districts?

Oh please!

[ficoguy]

Yes they did.


The meeting is for: Community Development District 9 is being asked to amend its existing boundaries to take in the new Lofts at Brownwood.

Even though the lofts are in the Brownwood commercial CDD, CDD9 will wind up absorbing them and giving full access to all amenities. As if we should have expected something else when they said the lofts would NOT have full amenities? By the way, I hope the developer is paying the amenity fee out of his pocket, since the lofts do not get charged an amenity fee....

All hail The Developer!:bigbow:

[dewilson58]

Even though the lofts are in the Brownwood commercial CDD, CDD9 will wind up absorbing them and giving full access to all amenities. As if we should have expected something else when they said the lofts would NOT have full amenities? By the way, I hope the developer is paying the amenity fee out of his pocket, since the lofts do not get charged an amenity fee....




Please go read and learn facts, then maybe you won't post fake news.


:ohdear:

[dewilson58]

they want the lofts to have all and full amenity's , I thought they would just have pool and that was it. they are going to have a special meeting to push it through.


The Lofts at Brownwood features brand new, modern apartments, ideal for people who want to love life in The Villages without the upkeep and maintenance of owning a home. Spacious, open floor plans give you plenty of room to entertain family and friends. Through your monthly amenity fee (https://www.thevillages.com/thelofts/cost-of-living), you have access to all of the amenities and lifestyle Villages enjoy each and every day.
Conveniently located at Brownwood Paddock Square, you’re daily conveniences like shopping, dining, health & wellness destinations, and free nightly entertainment at Brownwood Paddock Square.

[CFrance]

Please go read and learn facts, then maybe you won't post fake news.


:ohdear:

The Lofts at Brownwood features brand new, modern apartments, ideal for people who want to love life in The Villages without the upkeep and maintenance of owning a home. Spacious, open floor plans give you plenty of room to entertain family and friends. Through your monthly amenity fee (https://www.thevillages.com/thelofts/cost-of-living), you have access to all of the amenities and lifestyle Villages enjoy each and every day.
Conveniently located at Brownwood Paddock Square, you’re daily conveniences like shopping, dining, health & wellness destinations, and free nightly entertainment at Brownwood Paddock Square.
:kiss:The Thank You button just wasn't enough for these two posts.

[asianthree]

Plus their own pool and dog park. We know 3 couples that are waiting to sell their homes in TV, and move there. Cheaper than assisted living, for those who can’t or don’t want to keep up with their large house, and upkeep.

Couple we play golf with, sold their house on Palmer, and moved to assisted living for that reason. Now they will be moving to the lofts

[retiredguy123]

Plus their own pool and dog park. We know 3 couples that are waiting to sell their homes in TV, and move there. Cheaper than assisted living, for those who can’t or don’t want to keep up with their large house, and upkeep.

Couple we play golf with, sold their house on Palmer, and moved to assisted living for that reason. Now they will be moving to the lofts
Comparing assisted living, which includes meals and personal care assistance to an apartment that offers no meals or care, seems like an apples and oranges comparison.

[tghoul]

If I’m paying 5 grand a month for an apartment, I damn well expect full amenities.

The rent for a 3 BR is about $3,200 plus $162 amenity fee, $30, cable TV, $30 internet, $11 trash. Not 5 grand a month.

[DianeM]

The rent for a 3 BR is about $3,200 plus $162 amenity fee, $30, cable TV, $30 internet, $11 trash. Not 5 grand a month.

Mea culpa - so $3500. A lot of cash for an apartment where you share walls.

[Challenger]

Amenities fees built into? Fine if apartment are in district and that fee paid to district for extra usage. I suspect that fee will go in to developers pocket and sh— on districts?

Another "ad homenim " attack :ohdear:

[retiredguy123]

The rent for a 3 BR is about $3,200 plus $162 amenity fee, $30, cable TV, $30 internet, $11 trash. Not 5 grand a month.
According to the Lofts brochure, a 3 bedroom unit is $3,195 plus amenities $162, electric $75, water/sewer $47.25, trash $11, and cable tv/internet $60. The total is $3,550.25 per month.

[michaelUK]

Interesting concept. Remarkable that all amenities are available to renters though I'm probably selfishly thinking of over burdening the existing entertainment options since the population density of an apartment building is much higher than that of a home. Trying not to think of Paul Simon: "One man's ceiling is another man's floor"

[dewilson58]

Interesting concept. Remarkable that all amenities are available to renters though I'm probably selfishly thinking of over burdening the existing entertainment options since the population density of an apartment building is much higher than that of a home. Trying not to think of Paul Simon: "One man's ceiling is another man's floor"


What is/will be over burden??

265 apartments on top of 75,000 homes??


:popcorn:

[DianeM]

What is/will be over burden??

265 apartments on top of 75,000 homes??


:popcorn:


I get his point. A given block has maybe 30 homes. With perhaps 2 in each one, that’s 60 people. 265 apartments with perhaps the same 2 people is 530 people. The potential for overcrowding the Brownwood area is high.

[JoMar]

Amenities fees built into? Fine if apartment are in district and that fee paid to district for extra usage. I suspect that fee will go in to developers pocket and sh— on districts?

So wrong....please learn.

[dewilson58]

I get his point. A given block has maybe 30 homes. With perhaps 2 in each one, that’s 60 people. 265 apartments with perhaps the same 2 people is 530 people. The potential for overcrowding the Brownwood area is high.




Three Squares, +120,000 residents/snowbirds/etc = ~40,000 per square.


Add possibly 500 people???..............I'm not scared.


:clap2:

[CarolSells]

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[photo1902]

Three Squares, +120,000 residents/snowbirds/etc = ~40,000 per square.


Add possibly 500 people???..............I'm not scared.


:clap2:

Not to mention all the nay-sayer's complaining that Brownwood was a ghost town, empty storefronts, etc.

Now what will they complain about.

[DianeM]

Three Squares, +120,000 residents/snowbirds/etc = ~40,000 per square.


Add possibly 500 people???..............I'm not scared.


:clap2:

Yes but for the rest of the residents, some sort of travel is required to get to a square and they may or may not want to bother. These 500 will just go down an elevator. I personally could not care less but I understood his point.

[CFrance]

People keep saying "dog park." Important to note it says "Dog Lawn," not dog park. Most likely no fence, just a place to take dog to do its business.

[dewilson58]

People keep saying "dog park." Important to note it says "Dog Lawn," not dog park. Most likely no fence, just a place to take dog to do its business.




What about cats?? I think we should have cat parks, cat lawns. :icon_wink:

[asianthree]

Comparing assisted living, which includes meals and personal care assistance to an apartment that offers no meals or care, seems like an apples and oranges comparison.

Read the post. They moved to assisted living because there was no apartment living, here. Play golf at 80 and 81 everyday, Run, and bike, both anesthesiologists.

They got tired of keeping up their almost 4,000sf. Home on Palmer, ( it was beautiful). Took an apartment at a assisted living, but no meals or housekeeping, yes you can do that. Their place at AL was very nice, but are really looking forward to moving to the Lofts.

[Topspinmo]

The brochure says that you need to pay an amenity fee as a separate payment of $162. I assume that money is going to the same place as all amenity fees?

Read article in online news site that can’t be mentioned? Which was way it was stated from the beginning, amenities goes to developers, not to any district.

[Topspinmo]

What about cats?? I think we should have cat parks, cat lawns. :icon_wink:


No cats don’t bark so they get free pass to be let out to roam and kill songbirds and baby rabbits.

[asianthree]

Yes but for the rest of the residents, some sort of travel is required to get to a square and they may or may not want to bother. These 500 will just go down an elevator. I personally could not care less but I understood his point.

Going to the squares wore off year after we bought here. Go sometime with guests, Brownwood unless it’s a really popular group can be very sparse.

[DianeM]

Going to the squares wore off year after we bought here. Go sometime with guests, Brownwood unless it’s a really popular group can be very sparse.

That’s because the stores in Brownwood are worthless

[Topspinmo]

IMO, The Villages is such a wonderful and sought after place to live and visit is because it is a such a nice blend of owners who live here year round, snowbirds, snowflakes, renters, and vacationers. All of these people come to enjoy everything TV has to offer and I like to think that we all understand the demographics.
Many owners and investors profit handsomely from renters and visitors.
I really don’t see much of a difference in the impact on amenities between an apartment bldg. and that of another village.

It’s about amenities money and where it goes. the district will be on the short end of stick, which residents of that district pays for, and possibly have to pay more for developers additional housing in that district.

Does it affect me in my district, not in near future but may when amenities fees are increased?

[teamC]

I used to rent out my home & I was responsible for paying the amenity fee even if my house was not rented out. I think it is important that this is still the same for CDD9.

I am guessing that the reason that CDD9 was chosen for the LOFTs is that they have a smaller population than other CDDs. This way expenses* would be similar to other districts. Does anyone know if this is true?


*Amenity Fees are defined as Contractual fees to provide funding for common area
maintenance, Community Watch, recreation centers and activities, water retention areas, gate and postal facility maintenance and Executive Golf Courses. (Definition found in Sumter Landing Amenities Division FY 2017-18 Budget)

[michaelUK]

Three Squares, +120,000 residents/snowbirds/etc = ~40,000 per square.


Add possibly 500 people???..............I'm not scared.


:clap2:

Right. The point I was trying make (though awkwardly) was that a vertical structure such as an apartment building can accommodate a much larger number of residents per square foot of real estate than can a single story home. Had they decided to live in single family homes, they would have occupied a much more expansive swath of land that would have promoted the opening of even more businesses and TV amenities.

That said, if you're not worried then neither am I. I'm new at this and I'm sure (well, I'm not sure really) someone is tabulating all this to provide for the excess capacity required to accommodate us all.

[yabbadu]

they want the lofts to have all and full amenity's , I thought they would just have pool and that was it. they are going to have a special meeting to push it through.


Not sure where you have been but this was all published a few weeks back. OLD news!

[alwann]

That said, if you're not worried then neither am I. I'm new at this and I'm sure (well, I'm not sure really) someone is tabulating all this to provide for the excess capacity required to accommodate us all.

Let's hope it's not the same person/people who keep tabs on the how many under age-55ers buy here.

[asianthree]

That’s because the stores in Brownwood are worthless

Actually I haven’t brick and mortar for at least 4 years for any retail. Only store I shop every 3 weeks is TJs. Amazon, athletica, buck naked is my friend

After one hits 50 what else do you ever need.

My work clothes are green pajamas that someone loving bleaches, folds and has a stiffness that goes away in couple hours.

[DianeM]

Actually I haven’t brick and mortar for at least 4 years for any retail. Only store I shop every 3 weeks is TJs. Amazon, athletica, buck naked is my friend

After one hits 50 what else do you ever need.

My work clothes are green pajamas that someone loving bleaches, folds and has a stiffness that goes away in couple hours.

I cannot stand ordering on line and don’t do it. I used to but now I want to see what I’m buying. I haven’t ordered a thing since this whole quarantine began and not likely to. Never even crosses my mind.

[Aces4]

Actually I haven’t brick and mortar for at least 4 years for any retail. Only store I shop every 3 weeks is TJs. Amazon, athletica, buck naked is my friend

After one hits 50 what else do you ever need.

My work clothes are green pajamas that someone loving bleaches, folds and has a stiffness that goes away in couple hours.

I’m with you, at this point how much traipsing from store to store does one want to do? The ordering online is great. If I’m not sure size wise, I order the two close sizes and return the poor fit. Shopping is not high on my list of entertaining events.

[DianeM]

I’m with you, at this point how much traipsing from store to store does one want to do? The ordering online is great. If I’m not sure size wise, I order the two close sizes and return the poor fit. Shopping is not high on my list of entertaining events.

Shopping beats the hell out of being forced to stay home

[Topspinmo]

The Lofts at Brownwood features brand new, modern apartments, ideal for people who want to love life in The Villages without the upkeep and maintenance of owning a home. Spacious, open floor plans give you plenty of room to entertain family and friends. Through your monthly amenity fee (https://www.thevillages.com/thelofts/cost-of-living), you have access to all of the amenities and lifestyle Villages enjoy each and every day.
Conveniently located at Brownwood Paddock Square, you’re daily conveniences like shopping, dining, health & wellness destinations, and free nightly entertainment at Brownwood Paddock Square.

It don’t say where the amenities fees are going, now if it said you are in district 9 aNd pay amenities fee to district 9 then good to go? Nowhere does it say the developer that collects the fees passing it onto district 9. What going to stop them from building apt. In each district?

[DianeM]

It don’t say where the amenities fees are going, now if it said you are in district 9 aNd pay amenities fee to district 9 then good to go? Nowhere does it say the developer that collects the fees passing it onto district 9. What going to stop them from building apt. In each district?

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[CFrance]

What about cats?? I think we should have cat parks, cat lawns. :icon_wink:
Oh, let me correct myself. It actually says "Pet Lawn." So bring those kitties on.:coolsmiley:

[dewilson58]

Oh, let me correct myself. It actually says "Pet Lawn." So bring those kitties on.:coolsmiley:




Got none. I'm allergic to cats. I'm jus the chairman of, Cat Lives Matter.

[mulligan]

One more minor correction : I don't believe you will see any elevators there.

[twoplanekid]

The following was passed by unanimous vote by District 9 supervisors yesterday at their meeting. Don did ask some questions to express his concerns. See his post # 9 in this thread for questions which are valid in my opinion.

Coversheet (https://district.novusagenda.com/AgendaPublic/CoverSheet.aspx?ItemID=37153&MeetingID=1814)

[Marathon Man]

Just amazing how any conversation can turn into developer bashing.

[LuvtheVillages]

One more minor correction : I don't believe you will see any elevators there.

Actually, each building has elevators. The elevator pits and towers were the first things built. Then the buildings went up around them.

[John_W]

One more minor correction : I don't believe you will see any elevators there.

I watched The Lofts go up since I'm at MVP every week, and it's across the street. I would think they kept it to 3 stories to avoid installing elevators. However, the first thing they built was the elevator shafts. I guess they realized with seniors desiring apartment living, that might include a lot of disabled people in that group.

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[tghoul]

Comparing assisted living, which includes meals and personal care assistance to an apartment that offers no meals or care, seems like an apples and oranges comparison.

Instead of comparing Assisted Living to The Lofts here is a comparison of Independent Living to The Lofts.

Sumter Grand – 1 BR 792 sq. ft. Single person
$4,000 / mo. Without the food package
Includes:
Amenity fee
Electric
Water
Garbage
House Keeping
Cable TV

The Lofts 1 BR 783 sq. ft. 1st floor, parking lot view
$1,700 / mo.
Amenity fee: $162
Cable $30
Internet $30
Garbage $11
Renter’s Insurance $20
Est. Water $47
Est. electric 75
Est. grand total $2,075

[photo1902]

I watched The Lofts go up since I'm at MVP every week, and it's across the street. I would think they kept it to 3 stories to avoid installing elevators. However, the first thing they built was the elevator shafts. I guess they realized with seniors desiring apartment living, that might include a lot of disabled people in that group.

https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93771067_1596438583854001_8305691014945832960_o.jp g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=iiKx-CuzFHIAX_H5zmd&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-1.xx&oh=bc35066ed167229e1b0fe540fc215b3b&oe=5EBEEF99

I don't know what "disabled people" have to do with it. Who wants to carry groceries up three flights of stairs?

[John_W]

I don't know what "disabled people" have to do with it. Who wants to carry groceries up three flights of stairs?

I was replying to mulligan, who posted that he doubts there will be elevators. My first thought was, apartments for seniors looking for low maintenance, and probably many disabled people in that group. I myself would have no problem living on the 2nd or 3 rd floor without an elevator, if you couldn't walk up a flight or two, then ask for 1st floor. Since that's not an issue, why even bring it up.

[Marathon Man]

That said, if you're not worried then neither am I. I'm new at this and I'm sure (well, I'm not sure really) someone is tabulating all this to provide for the excess capacity required to accommodate us all.

Let's hope it's not the same person/people who keep tabs on the how many under age-55ers buy here.

Absolutely precious that he found a way to work that in.

[Marathon Man]

It don’t say where the amenities fees are going, now if it said you are in district 9 aNd pay amenities fee to district 9 then good to go? Nowhere does it say the developer that collects the fees passing it onto district 9. What going to stop them from building apt. In each district?

It don't say because it don't have to say. Amenity fees all go to the same place, and it is not the numbered districts.

[Topspinmo]

It don't say because it don't have to say. Amenity fees all go to the same place, and it is not the numbered districts.

then, why did rate go up in district 4 after the Lopez golf course ground collapse? If the all go to same place?

[Goldwingnut]

then, why did rate go up in district 4 after the Lopez golf course ground collapse? If the all go to same place?

The maintenance assessment went up in cdd4. The amenity fee has nothing to do with the sinkhole repair to the street or championship golf courses. Take the time to learn a little bit about how things work here in the villages before making an uninformed comment.

[mulligan]

FYI, those are smoke towers to isolate the stairwells in case of fire. Not elevator shafts.