Not legitimate hole-in-one

[justjim]

I see all the hole- in- one’s listed in The Daily Sun the past few weeks and wonder seriously you count those under current conditions when they hit the pvc pipe that covers the golf hole. Well, if that makes you feel good, but to me that is not a legitimate hole in one and does not deserve a certificate as such. Personally I’ve seen golf balls hit the hole and bounce a couple feet away. We also found a ball in the hole when we didn’t actually see it roll in because of the hole location to the tee box. Yes, there definitely is some luck involved but as the old saying goes “the harder you work the luckier you get”. Just saying...

[anothersteve]

It doesn't bother me, let them have their day in the sun. For myself, If it happened to me I wouldn't count it.
Steve

[Medtrans]

I see all the hole- in- one’s listed in The Daily Sun the past few weeks and wonder seriously you count those under current conditions when they hit the pvc pipe that covers the golf hole. Well, if that makes you feel good, but to me that is not a legitimate hole in one and does not deserve a certificate as such. Personally I’ve seen golf balls hit the hole and bounce a couple feet away. We also found a ball in the hole when we didn’t actually see it roll in because of the hole location to the tee box. Yes, there definitely is some luck involved but as the old saying goes “the harder you work the luckier you get”. Just saying...

I had one. I did not count it as one and did not report it. I want to take the ball out of the cup.

[rustyp]

I am going to count it as an eagle.

[PompeyKing]

I think one could determine if it would have been a hole in one without the pvc. If the ball bounces more that 6-10 inches, I would not count that as a HIO, but each should use their own judgement and their honor.

[dewilson58]

Why report with or without PVC??


Jus luck & "look at me".


:ohdear:

[DeanFL]

The Sun now takes about 1 1/2 pages to list all the "Age Breakers", "Eagles", and "H in 1s". That's now about 1/6 of the actual Sun "news" print.

SO many ads, full pages, and TV real estate. Wonder if they laid off some of their contributors and writers.

Just an observation, will not stop our paper - but miss the old days.

[alwann]

And no local news section today. No staff, nothing to report, or problems with the inserting machine? They don't say, and I did ask. Sunday, no TV section. Still printing the weekly cars section, though, and the meaningless activities weekly insert.

[Polar Bear]

I think one could determine if it would have been a hole in one without the pvc...
With all due respect, no way (imo).

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Just as legit as claiming a hole-in-one made with a mulligan. I had to man shame a dude at the 19th hole at Ramstein AB for trying to pull that one.

[justjim]

It doesn't bother me, let them have their day in the sun. For myself, If it happened to me I wouldn't count it.
Steve

Agree with you Steve - doesn’t bother me but I would not count it as a hole-in-one. When you have played golf for a long time you observe a lot of unusual things. Never seen the “retooling” of the golf course like it is now. It’s great that we can play with the unusual changes and at my age I’m just playing for fun anyway. Fore!

[Rapscallion St Croix]

How about this for a scenario? Let's say someone finds the sweet spot on the driver on a short par four starting hole. The ball takes a beautiful drawing path, lands just short of the green and rolls onto the putting surface and into the cup. It is then pointed out to the happy golfer after he has finished leaping and shouting, that he has 15 clubs in the bag and has incurred a two-stroke penalty.

[swooner]

I see all the hole- in- one’s listed in The Daily Sun the past few weeks and wonder seriously you count those under current conditions when they hit the pvc pipe that covers the golf hole. Well, if that makes you feel good, but to me that is not a legitimate hole in one and does not deserve a certificate as such. Personally I’ve seen golf balls hit the hole and bounce a couple feet away. We also found a ball in the hole when we didn’t actually see it roll in because of the hole location to the tee box. Yes, there definitely is some luck involved but as the old saying goes “the harder you work the luckier you get”. Just saying...
That's what happens when you waste your time playing Rinky Dink Golf!

[Mleeja]

What if it actually goes inside the pvc? I would count that. In the hole is in the hole!

[retiredguy123]

How about this for a scenario? Let's say someone finds the sweet spot on the driver on a short par four starting hole. The ball takes a beautiful drawing path, lands just short of the green and rolls onto the putting surface and into the cup. It is then pointed out to the happy golfer after he has finished leaping and shouting, that he has 15 clubs in the bag and has incurred a two-stroke penalty.
Too bad, it's just a birdie. But, if he only had 14 clubs, he may not have used that club, and would not have made the same shot. Hence, the reason for the rule.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Too bad, it's just a birdie. But, if he only had 14 clubs, he may not have used that club, and would not have made the same shot. Hence, the reason for the rule.

And had it occurred on the third hole, it would have counted.

[retiredguy123]

And had it occurred on the third hole, it would have counted.
Only if he removed a club before playing the third hole. As I understand the rule, the 2 stroke penalty applies to every hole played using more than 14 clubs.

"The penalty for carrying too many clubs in your bag is two strokes for each hole where a breach of the rule happened. That means if you have 15 clubs in your bag but don't realize until you're playing the second hole, you will receive a four-stroke penalty."

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Only if he removed a club before playing the third hole. As I understand the rule, the 2 stroke penalty applies to every hole played using more than 14 clubs.

"The penalty for carrying too many clubs in your bag is two strokes for each hole where a breach of the rule happened. That means if you have 15 clubs in your bag but don't realize until you're playing the second hole, you will receive a four-stroke penalty."

Four stroke max penalty for this breach.

[golfing eagles]

b. Limit of 14 Clubs; Sharing, Adding or Replacing Clubs During Round
You must not start a round
with more than 14 clubs or have more than 14 clubs during the round
.
If you start a round
with fewer than 14 clubs, you may add clubs during the round
up to the 14-club limit.
When you become aware that you are in breach of this Rule by having more than 14 clubs, you must immediately take the excess club or clubs out of play, using the procedure in Rule 4.1c.
For more information on sharing, adding or replacing clubs, including a limited exception for when you did not cause the damage.
Penalty for Breach of Rule 4.1b: The penalty applies based on when you become aware of the breach:
While playing the hole: The penalty is applied at the end of the hole you are playing. In match play
, you must complete the hole, apply the result of that hole to the match score and then apply the penalty to adjust the match score.
Between two holes: The penalty is applied as of the end of the hole just completed, not the next hole.
Penalty in Match Play - Match Score Revised by Deducting Hole, Maximum of Two Holes:
This is a match adjustment penalty – it is not the same as a loss of hole penalty.
At the end of the hole you are playing or just completed, the match score is revised by deducting one hole for each hole where a breach happened, with a maximum deduction of two holes in the round
.
For example, if you started with 15 clubs and become aware of the breach while playing the 3rd hole and then win that hole to go three up in the match, the maximum adjustment of two holes applies and you would now be one up in the match.
Penalty in Stroke Play - Two Penalty Strokes, Maximum of Four Strokes: You get the general penalty
(two penalty strokes) for each hole where a breach happened, with a maximum of four penalty strokes in the round
(adding two penalty strokes at each of the first two holes where a breach happened).

[retiredguy123]

Four stroke max penalty for this breach.
Thanks, you are correct. Apparently, he could have played the entire round with 15 clubs, and only incurred a 2 stroke penalty for holes 1 and 2. However, I think he would have had to remove a club when he realized the error.

[karostay]

:icon_bored::icon_bored::icon_bored::icon_bored:
Your not losing any sleep over this are you.
Does it really matter in the scope of things
I see all the hole- in- one’s listed in The Daily Sun the past few weeks and wonder seriously you count those under current conditions when they hit the pvc pipe that covers the golf hole. Well, if that makes you feel good, but to me that is not a legitimate hole in one and does not deserve a certificate as such. Personally I’ve seen golf balls hit the hole and bounce a couple feet away. We also found a ball in the hole when we didn’t actually see it roll in because of the hole location to the tee box. Yes, there definitely is some luck involved but as the old saying goes “the harder you work the luckier you get”. Just saying...

[retiredguy123]

:icon_bored::icon_bored::icon_bored::icon_bored:
Your not losing any sleep over this are you.
Does it really matter in the scope of things
Yes, it matters. As someone once said about winning at golf, "It's not a matter of life or death, it's more serious than that."

[ajbrown]

I just happened across this...

A course in Georgia has installed these. Looks like it deals with hole and one issue.

Georgia golf course creates ingenious way to combat coronavirus spread - Golf Digest (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/georgia-golf-course-creates-ingenious-way-to-combat-coronavirus-spread)

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I just happened across this...

A course in Georgia has installed these. Looks like it deals with hole and one issue.

Georgia golf course creates ingenious way to combat coronavirus spread - Golf Digest (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/georgia-golf-course-creates-ingenious-way-to-combat-coronavirus-spread)

Simple and brilliant.

[sdeikenberry]

I think one could determine if it would have been a hole in one without the pvc. If the ball bounces more that 6-10 inches, I would not count that as a HIO, but each should use their own judgement and their honor.

Not sure if you are a golfer, but there are plenty of times the ball SHOULD have gone in, and instead it lips out and stops a few inches from the cup. So, I can't agree to count hitting the pipe as a hole in one.

[sail33or]

I have been playing golf for 50 years and never had a hole in one.

But since moving to the Villages, I have had many, many, many. This should tell you something.

When I went to get my first certificate, the stack was 1 foot thick and that was just the "C's"

I do not even turn in my hole in one's now. My golf buddy is up to 8. So there you go.

[tophcfa]

You all in the Villages are so lucky to have this minor problem. I am stuck up north in Massachusetts and all golf courses in MA, VT, and NH are closed. There are some courses in CT that are open, but very difficult to get a t-time. Also, I heard that some MA golfers were being turned away from the CT courses by police waiting in the parking lots for cars with out of state license plates. And tonight we are supposed to get 5 to 8 inches of wet heavy snow. How I would like to have the problem of determining if I wanted to call hitting a raised cup a hole in one.

[Fredman]

It is a pipe dream if you count it as a hole in one

[Northwoods]

It doesn't bother me, let them have their day in the sun. For myself, If it happened to me I wouldn't count it.
Steve
I wouldn't count it either. It has to be legitimate. The fact that there is a significant increase in holes in one, eagles, shooting your age, etc. tells you "there's something wrong with this picture."
But the reason why a number of people are claiming a hole in one in this time of social distancing?? They get to claim the hole in one, but they don't have to buy anyone a drink!!!

[Rwirish]

It is not a hole and one and the Daily Sun should not be reporting it as one. I laugh each time I see a picture in the paper with someone holding their golf ball with a hole in one caption. You hit the PVC pipe, nothing more nothing less!

[Cheapbas]

Let people enjoy the moment and celebrate, they deserve it. Can’t even high 5.

for me personally.it’s called “HOLE IN one“ for a reason, the first 2 words govern the true meaning

Maybe we need A New cv19 term for the interim, rang the tube, clunk in one, the plastic fantastic.

[Two Bills]

I just happened across this...

A course in Georgia has installed these. Looks like it deals with hole and one issue.

Georgia golf course creates ingenious way to combat coronavirus spread - Golf Digest (https://www.golfdigest.com/story/georgia-golf-course-creates-ingenious-way-to-combat-coronavirus-spread)

That is so clever, and yet so simple.
Would save a lot of hole damage if implemented in TV.

[Leadbone1]

How about this for a scenario? Let's say someone finds the sweet spot on the driver on a short par four starting hole. The ball takes a beautiful drawing path, lands just short of the green and rolls onto the putting surface and into the cup. It is then pointed out to the happy golfer after he has finished leaping and shouting, that he has 15 clubs in the bag and has incurred a two-stroke penalty.

Really? We are not playing in PGA sanctioned events out here? How many clubs you have in your bag doesn’t matter !

[cunningham]

Who cares?
The certificate you mention will cost you $95.

[diesel350]

It's a hole-in-one, with an asterisk.

[runkcrun]

I had one. I did not count it as one and did not report it. I want to take the ball out of the cup.
Yesterday my friend had one, tee shot up in the air, came down INSIDE the PVC pipe next to the pin and stayed there. We have picture to prove.

I'd call that a true HIO.

My hubby had his tee shot hit the PVC and roll away. He did not count that or turn it in.

[banjobob]

I actually hit the PVC pipe on Oakleigh par 4 in two for an Eagle lol felt good but no cigar !

[golfing eagles]

Really? We are not playing in PGA sanctioned events out here? How many clubs you have in your bag doesn’t matter !

Doesn't matter? Sure, you can carry however many clubs you like and have fun---but you're no longer playing GOLF, just a closely related game of something else.

[runkcrun]

That is so clever, and yet so simple.
Would save a lot of hole damage if implemented in TV.

That is perfect! Especially, here where it is hard for some men to bend down!

Gotta have those here!

[alanmcdonald]

The USGA has officially ruled that hitting a pipe guarding a hole counts as holing the shot.

So, as bad as it may seem, these are holes in one in the eyes of official golf.

[Mrfriendly]

What are the Birdie juice rules on a fake hole-in-one?

[jeffy]

I see all the hole- in- one’s listed in The Daily Sun the past few weeks and wonder seriously you count those under current conditions when they hit the pvc pipe that covers the golf hole. Well, if that makes you feel good, but to me that is not a legitimate hole in one and does not deserve a certificate as such. Personally I’ve seen golf balls hit the hole and bounce a couple feet away. We also found a ball in the hole when we didn’t actually see it roll in because of the hole location to the tee box. Yes, there definitely is some luck involved but as the old saying goes “the harder you work the luckier you get”. Just saying...

Really in these times , this is what angers you ??? How does it hurt you that some get some happiness from a hole in one?

[theruizs]

We’re retired and most are just golfing for fun. If you have a more restrictive view, apply it to yourself and let others have their day.

[theruizs]

Yesterday my friend had one, tee shot up in the air, came down INSIDE the PVC pipe next to the pin and stayed there. We have picture to prove.

I'd call that a true HIO.

My hubby had his tee shot hit the PVC and roll away. He did not count that or turn it in.

Actually, if he had been playing a PGA tournament, I think it would have counted.

[davem4616]

I see all the hole- in- one’s listed in The Daily Sun the past few weeks and wonder seriously you count those under current conditions when they hit the pvc pipe that covers the golf hole. Well, if that makes you feel good, but to me that is not a legitimate hole in one and does not deserve a certificate as such. Personally I’ve seen golf balls hit the hole and bounce a couple feet away. We also found a ball in the hole when we didn’t actually see it roll in because of the hole location to the tee box. Yes, there definitely is some luck involved but as the old saying goes “the harder you work the luckier you get”. Just saying...


if the ball goes into the cup with one swing it's a hole in one

what I don't get is if a golfer makes another why isn't it called a "2 fer 2"

if it happened a third time...use the hockey term "hat trick"

a forth time..."a grand slam" (although the golfing world will have to get approval from Denny's on this one)

if it happened a fifth time "hey I shot a whiskey bottle today"

a sixth time would be referred to as "I shot a six pack"

you see where I'm going with this, right....heck during the Christmas season we could become festive and use the language from the song "The Twelve Days of Christmas"

this would be far more descriptive of what the life time achievement is for any golfer...think of the different trophies that could line the mantel...and it actually sounds more macho, even if you are wearing a flamingo colored shirt, a pair of lemon yellow shorts and a purple hat band when you get your picture in "da paper"

[Daxdog]

Why do you even care?:bigbow::bigbow:

[dewilson58]

Actually, if he had been playing a PGA tournament, I think it would have counted.


:1rotfl:
a pga tourney with pvc
:1rotfl:

[ficoguy]

You want it that bad, I guess you need to live with yourself. On the other hand, the local ground rules supercede the rules of golf....

[dmarti1973]

So if the same person passes gas on the course and no one hears or smells it, does that mean it did not happen? Go ahead and take the moment from that golfer, it makes everyone criticizing better for it. Good lord!

[nhtexasrn]

I see all the hole- in- one’s listed in The Daily Sun the past few weeks and wonder seriously you count those under current conditions when they hit the pvc pipe that covers the golf hole. Well, if that makes you feel good, but to me that is not a legitimate hole in one and does not deserve a certificate as such. Personally I’ve seen golf balls hit the hole and bounce a couple feet away. We also found a ball in the hole when we didn’t actually see it roll in because of the hole location to the tee box. Yes, there definitely is some luck involved but as the old saying goes “the harder you work the luckier you get”. Just saying...

My friend got one yesterday. The ball was actually leaning on the pole. Legitimate hole in one!!
:coolsmiley:

[Guitarman1951]

I see all the hole- in- one’s listed in The Daily Sun the past few weeks and wonder seriously you count those under current conditions when they hit the pvc pipe that covers the golf hole. Well, if that makes you feel good, but to me that is not a legitimate hole in one and does not deserve a certificate as such. Personally I’ve seen golf balls hit the hole and bounce a couple feet away. We also found a ball in the hole when we didn’t actually see it roll in because of the hole location to the tee box. Yes, there definitely is some luck involved but as the old saying goes “the harder you work the luckier you get”. Just saying...
I had an eagle a few weeks ago on Glen View when my second shot from about 120 yards hit the pvc pipe. I took the score but I think it could have skated over the hole or careened off the stick otherwise so I didn't report it. If it would only bounced back a few inches, it might have been different but.. who knows. Yet we aren't pros and it's just a game to indulge us in our retirement, so I say who cares if the ball would have went in or not. People who are too serious about golf aren't helping their health. Just have fun with it cause just about everything else is more important.

[Heytubes]

I got one but it has an asterisk and no certificate. Some courses in other cities have put foam rubber half an inch below the opening that is much less expensive than pvc and makes your game legitimate.

[Stu from NYC]

Too bad, it's just a birdie. But, if he only had 14 clubs, he may not have used that club, and would not have made the same shot. Hence, the reason for the rule.

Wow when I played had no idea how many clubs I had in the bag and if I ever got lucky to get a hole in one under any conditions it would count as one.

Why do people take golf so seriously?

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Really? We are not playing in PGA sanctioned events out here? How many clubs you have in your bag doesn’t matter !

I would consider it a kindness if you would go through the rules of golf and tell us which to ignore and which to observe. After that, please do the same with deed restrictions, traffic laws, leash laws.

[dewilson58]

In golf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golf), a hole in one or hole-in-one (also known as an ace, mostly in American English (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_English)) occurs when a ball hit from a tee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teeing_ground) to start a hole finishes in the cup.

[Hoggs]

On the executive course the ball will go in the hole. I witnessed my wife hit a hole in one on Grey Fox and the ball disappeared in the cup. I agree with you though on just hitting the stick and claiming a hole in one.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I see all the hole- in- one’s listed in The Daily Sun the past few weeks and wonder seriously you count those under current conditions when they hit the pvc pipe that covers the golf hole. Well, if that makes you feel good, but to me that is not a legitimate hole in one and does not deserve a certificate as such. Personally I’ve seen golf balls hit the hole and bounce a couple feet away. We also found a ball in the hole when we didn’t actually see it roll in because of the hole location to the tee box. Yes, there definitely is some luck involved but as the old saying goes “the harder you work the luckier you get”. Just saying...

I agree, but I really don't care.

I do however thing that if a ball is resting against the PVC pipe there can be no other conclusion than it would have been in the hole if not for the pipe. If a ball simply hits the pipe and bounces off, one cannot come to that conclusion.

If you believe that you got a hole in one and want to report it, go ahead and get your certificate. It really doesn't affect anyone else.

[bumpygreens]

I see all the hole- in- one’s listed in The Daily Sun the past few weeks and wonder seriously you count those under current conditions when they hit the pvc pipe that covers the golf hole. Well, if that makes you feel good, but to me that is not a legitimate hole in one and does not deserve a certificate as such. Personally I’ve seen golf balls hit the hole and bounce a couple feet away. We also found a ball in the hole when we didn’t actually see it roll in because of the hole location to the tee box. Yes, there definitely is some luck involved but as the old saying goes “the harder you work the luckier you get”. Just saying...

How about they report it as "Plugged Tee Shots"?

[dewilson58]

I agree, but I really don't care.

I do however thing that if a ball is resting against the PVC pipe there can be no other conclusion than it would have been in the hole if not for the pipe.

.




Wrong.
The pipe is not centered, resting against the side of the cup & the ball came to stop next to the hole, touching the pipe.
:ohdear:

[EVH234591]

I agree that the sudden increase in holes in one and shooting ones age should be taken with a grain of sand.

[bumpygreens]

I agree that the sudden increase in holes in one and shooting ones age should be taken with a grain of sand.

This made me wonder. Do you think someday when the snowflakes retire they will want their name in the paper for shooting the age they identify as?

[EVH234591]

I agree that a hole in one and shooting ones age means no more than a grain of sand with these conditions.

[BevSparks]

In the scheme of things going on now, does it really matter?? I say have fun and if you hit the flag then celebrate like there's no tomorrow! :)

[VIN574]

I'd say a hole in one is as good today as my buddy shooting under his age with a couple of gimmes. In the scheme of things great and small, it has nothing to do with my game. I know how well I scored and I'm just glad to be able to enjoy the game.

[Road Apple]

I played with a known cheater in Dallas one day. He had a hole in one and put down a zero on the score card. We saw through it, though...

[tophcfa]

I agree that a hole in one and shooting ones age means no more than a grain of sand with these conditions.

I disagree, anyone who plays by the rules and can shoot their age has performed a major accomplishment in my book. I am still to young to have a chance at doing it, but it’s on my bucket list. I will have to be fortunate enough to age well and still be able to play at a high level to even have a chance. Golf On:icon_wink:

[Neil Parkhurst]

If that's the case, I have a double Eagle on Terra Del Sol's 6th hole. I made the eagle put.
I wouldn't count it. Even though I have been waiting for 63 to get my first hole in 1.
On the other hand I do have a double Eagle.
Neil

[Topspinmo]

I am going to count it as an eagle.

Or buzzard

[Topspinmo]

I'd say a hole in one is as good today as my buddy shooting under his age with a couple of gimmes. In the scheme of things great and small, it has nothing to do with my game. I know how well I scored and I'm just glad to be able to enjoy the game.


Couple?

[Marvic 1]

:icon_bored::icon_bored::icon_bored::icon_bored:
Your not losing any sleep over this are you.
Does it really matter in the scope of things

He's also having a conversation on here, YOU DON'T have to read it and be so negative!
In fact, go walk your dog!

[VIN574]

Couple?

Ha! Yeah, I guess that is generous, as I don't keep track.

[lpelak]

It doesn't bother me, let them have their day in the sun. For myself, If it happened to me I wouldn't count it.
Steve

Let these old golfers have maybe their last glory! The pro shop set up the rules and if they say it is a ligit HIO so be it!!!!!

[Cranford61]

That is a “fake” hole in one. Like the Villages living south of 42..fake.

[mollyb]

I say good for them 👏👏👏👏

[CWGUY]

That is a “fake” hole in one. Like the Villages living south of 42..fake.

We all live SOUTH of 42. Shows how much you know. :boom: Troll

[TheWarriors]

Cant stop laughing at the Villager posters, does anyone really care whether you hit a hole in one or were 8 over for the hole, go see if you can make love to your wife so she wants to actually grow her hair longer, haha

[yankygrl]

I see all the hole- in- one’s listed in The Daily Sun the past few weeks and wonder seriously you count those under current conditions when they hit the pvc pipe that covers the golf hole. Well, if that makes you feel good, but to me that is not a legitimate hole in one and does not deserve a certificate as such. Personally I’ve seen golf balls hit the hole and bounce a couple feet away. We also found a ball in the hole when we didn’t actually see it roll in because of the hole location to the tee box. Yes, there definitely is some luck involved but as the old saying goes “the harder you work the luckier you get”. Just saying...
I don't know were you see hole in ones listed, I haven't seen it for a few weeks. Only thing I see is championship course shot your age or under. And as I understand it, even if you hit the pvc and "get a hole in one" they are not giving out certificates at this time.

[philnpat]

The certificate is free...The plaque is $...

[Marathon Man]

Doesn't matter? Sure, you can carry however many clubs you like and have fun---but you're no longer playing GOLF, just a closely related game of something else.

Of course we are playing golf. Just playing by a different set of rules. That doesn't make it a different game. Tackle football, touch football, flag football - all variations of the same game.

[will1546]

If the changes to the rules are considered “local rules”, you can count it. It would not be me though.

[NotFromAroundHere]

In golf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golf), a hole in one or hole-in-one (also known as an ace, mostly in American English (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_English)) occurs when a ball hit from a tee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teeing_ground) to start a hole finishes in the cup.

So nobody should bother keeping score, or tracking their handicap right now. Because the only way to finish a hole is to get the ball "in the cup". And nobody is doing that these days.

[dewilson58]

So nobody should bother keeping score, or tracking their handicap right now. Because the only way to finish a hole is to get the ball "in the cup". And nobody is doing that these days.


The discussion was hole-in-one, nothing to do with keeping score..:ohdear:

[bagboy]

The discussion was hole-in-one, nothing to do with keeping score..:ohdear:

Pay no attention to him. He's not from around here.:a040:

[Marykess1802]

It doesn't bother me, let them have their day in the sun. For myself, If it happened to me I wouldn't count it.
Steve

I thought golf was a gentleman’s/ladies game. Just sayin’.

[Curtisbwp]

I dont consider ANY hole in one a major accomplishment

[tsmall22204]

I dont care! Why should you? Get a life.

[NotFromAroundHere]

The discussion was hole-in-one, nothing to do with keeping score..:ohdear:

Just extrapolating. Trying to learn how to live my life according to The Villages golf gurus.

If I can't count it as a hole-in-one, what do I count it as?

[Judy n Ron]

Maybe list the hole in one with an asterisk * like Roger Maris got after breaking Babe Ruth's home run record. You could call it a "Covidian Ace"

[dewilson58]

Trying to learn how to live my life according to The Villages golf gurus.

If I can't count it as a hole-in-one, what do I count it as?


:1rotfl::1rotfl:

Comments from ToTV about golf scoring will teach you how to LIVE YOUR LIFE??
:ohdear::ohdear:

[kcrazorbackfan]

I’ve had 3 in the last 4 weeks; the 1st one at Egret #4 where the ball hit 2’ from the pin and bounced INSIDE the pvc pipe; the 2nd one was at Seminole #9 where the ball hit 6” from the pin and came to rest against the pipe; the 3rd was yesterday on Southern Star #1 where the ball hit the front of the green and rolled up and settled against the pipe.

Did I report any of them? No, the 1st no one would have believe it other that the people I was playing with, the other 2 because they didn’t go in the hole.

Let the people hitting the HIO, the age breakers and the Eagles enjoy seeing their name in the paper, it will stop when the pipes come out.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

How about this for a scenario? Let's say someone finds the sweet spot on the driver on a short par four starting hole. The ball takes a beautiful drawing path, lands just short of the green and rolls onto the putting surface and into the cup. It is then pointed out to the happy golfer after he has finished leaping and shouting, that he has 15 clubs in the bag and has incurred a two-stroke penalty.

Actually, it's a four stroke penalty. The penalty is two strokes for each hole where the player was carrying too many club with a maximum of four strokes.


Unless they were playing match play in which case it is a penalty of one hole.

Here's a good bar bet question. What is the worst score you can lose by in match play? The answer is 10 and 9.

[Guitarman1951]

I see all the hole- in- one’s listed in The Daily Sun the past few weeks and wonder seriously you count those under current conditions when they hit the pvc pipe that covers the golf hole. Well, if that makes you feel good, but to me that is not a legitimate hole in one and does not deserve a certificate as such. Personally I’ve seen golf balls hit the hole and bounce a couple feet away. We also found a ball in the hole when we didn’t actually see it roll in because of the hole location to the tee box. Yes, there definitely is some luck involved but as the old saying goes “the harder you work the luckier you get”. Just saying...
Is this all you got to complain about. Geez, it's just a game and doesn't have any affect on anyone else. Who cares if it would have gone in or not!?!? Lighten up and worry about something that really means something.

[maggie1]

Really in these times , this is what angers you ??? How does it hurt you that some get some happiness from a hole in one?

I don't see any anger in his posting, I believe he is just being realistic about the issue. I've seen some golfers hit the PVC pipe with such force, that the golfball lands more than "gimmie" distance away, and yet they consider it as having holed out. I don't say anything, because they can let their conscience be their guide. A HOI is a combination of luck and skill, neither of which applies in that scenario. Now, if the ball pops up and lands in the hole, then that's countable.

[maggie1]

I dont consider ANY hole in one a major accomplishment

Said by the person who has never had one!

[NotFromAroundHere]

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Comments from ToTV about golf scoring will teach you how to LIVE YOUR LIFE??
:ohdear::ohdear:

Sure. Like I said before - extrapolation.

I notice you didn't answer the question. If I hit the pipe - regardless of how many strokes it took me to get there - what's my score?

[len84pa]

In light of our world situation, it's nice to see some of us can take our minds off of the "stress" caused by isolation.

Whether it is on a Championship Course or Executive Course the ball needs to go INTO the hole to count as a hole in one. NO EXCEPTIONS!

Maybe next year they will have electronic PVC rings that will light a light or ring a bell if hit with the golf ball.

[Dilligas]

It depends on you golf outlook. The PVC sleeves are COVID-19 safe, but not traditional golf. If you are a seasoned player with an index, it has created a stroke less on your index, so instead of a hole in one, you have an eagle. If you are a executive golf nut, play for exercise & fun, and think many of the rules are stupid, the hole in one is merely a stroke of luck....so enjoy it. It is all in the perspective.

[Twiganne]

Yes but ponder this. Is it really a birdie or an eagle if you putt and hit the cup. The hole in one’s, though I would not count it personally, is no different than claiming a putt for birdie. I have noticed a lot of guys putting on a straight line driving it to hit the cup. Would that putt not rolled over the hole if the golfer hit it that hard at the cup. I seriously doubt it. Not only would it roll over the hole but probably 15 feet away that leaves them at least one more putt or perhaps two or three. Most of the time yes. I think all golf scores have improved for everyone. Until I am being paid on tour I am just playing for fun.

[Dilligas]

Actually, it's a four stroke penalty. The penalty is two strokes for each hole where the player was carrying too many club with a maximum of four strokes.


Unless they were playing match play in which case it is a penalty of one hole.

Here's a good bar bet question. What is the worst score you can lose by in match play? The answer is 10 and 9.
Mr Boogie.....his example he detailed said "short par four starting hole", so it would only be a 2 stroke penalty for 15 clubs. Secondly, your Match play best score does not make sense....after winning the first 9 holes, the match would be 9 and 9 (9 won with 9 to play....stimied), after winning the 10th hole, the match is over 10 and 8 as there would only be 8 more holes to play. Maybe too many 18th hole beers for that bar question?

[Polar Bear]

Gotta say this once just to get it off my chest...heheh...

I'm so glad we can play golf during this mess. And it's still fun to play and and enjoy and celebrate the birdies, eagles, holes-in-ones, the whole deal. But are scores...and accomplishments such as hole-in-ones...comparable to those achieved under official golf conditions and rules? Sorry, not even close.

But that shouldn't get in the way of the fun. :)

[NotFromAroundHere]

Whether it is on a Championship Course or Executive Course the ball needs to go INTO the hole to count as a hole in one. NO EXCEPTIONS!

Where did that enlightenment come from?

[Rapscallion St Croix]

What the USGA says

MODIFICATIONS TO THE HOLE; NOT REQUIRING THAT PLAYERS HOLE OUT

A number of questions have been received that relate to modifying the hole so that players no longer need to reach into the hole to remove a ball to minimize the possibility of exposing golfers to coronavirus.

These have included some courses setting holes so that the hole liner remains an inch or two above the surface of the green while others have placed various objects into the hole or around the flagstick (such as foam pool noodles or plastic piping) so that a ball is unable to fall to the bottom.

While in all of these instances, the ball is not holed per the Rules of Golf (Rule 3.3c), a round played under these conditions will result in an acceptable score for handicap purposes using the most likely score guidelines (see Rule 3.3 of the Rules of Handicapping).

While the most likely score procedure is intended to support certain formats of play where the player is not required to hole out (such as in match play when the player’s next stroke is conceded or in four-ball stroke play when a partner picks up), it is also temporarily in effect where the above described safety measures are being used.

When using most likely score, the player should consider the number of strokes most likely required to complete the hole, and determine whether the ball would have been holed or not. Most likely score is at the player's best judgment and should not be used to gain an unfair advantage.

This measure is temporary and in effect within the United States until advised otherwise by the USGA.

The above guidance will continue to be updated. If you have any questions or concerns, you can contact the Rules of Golf and Rules of Handicapping departments using the information below:

Rules of Golf Department
rules@usga.org
908-326-1850

Handicapping Department
hdcpquestions@usga.org
908-234-2300 Ext. 5

[dewilson58]

Where did that enlightenment come from?




By definition. Enjoy the light.

[dewilson58]

Sure. Like I said before - extrapolation.

I notice you didn't answer the question. If I hit the pipe - regardless of how many strokes it took me to get there - what's my score?


Wow.......didn't know you needed an answer.



Golf is a game of honor, score what you want to score........no one else cares.

[NotFromAroundHere]

By definition. Enjoy the light.

Apparently not according to the USGA.

[dewilson58]

Apparently not according to the USGA.


USGA does not define hole-in-one, they define score. :ohdear:

[NotFromAroundHere]

Golf is a game of honor, score what you want to score........no one else cares.

A lot of people on here seem to be awfully invested in what other people are doing.

[dewilson58]

A lot of people on here seem to be awfully invested in what other people are doing.


i'm not, just replying silly posts.

[ColdNoMore]

The answer is in the name.


A HOLE IN one.


No Hole?


No "hole-in-one."


End of story.


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[Two Bills]

Well I think these plastic inserts are wonderfull.
Finaly shot my age today, 93 for the nine holes at Turtle Mound, off the green tees.
There was quite a crowd behind cheering me on!!

[DeafDeaf]

Obviously, they are Golf Morons! They have no patience!

:bigbow:

[CWGUY]

Obviously, they are Golf Morons! They have no patience!

:bigbow:

I took a class on "Patience" at The Villages Lifelong Learning Center. :ho:

[dewilson58]

Well I think these plastic inserts are wonderfull.
Finaly shot my age today, 93 for the nine holes at Turtle Mound, off the green tees.
There was quite a crowd behind cheering me on!!




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[CWGUY]

Well I think these plastic inserts are wonderfull.
Finaly shot my age today, 93 for the nine holes at Turtle Mound, off the green tees.
There was quite a crowd behind cheering me on!!

:icon_wink: I counted 94..... I think you missed by 1. Well anyway I was back about 14 deep in the gallery screaming "IN THE HOLE" ...... don't know if you heard me. And boy oh boy can you hit it over water!:ho:

[dimaxim]

I am know calling them "knock-in-ones" because they "knock" the pvc pipe but there is no hole to go into. More accurate I think :

[retiredguy123]

Hitting the ball into the hole requires two things, proper speed and proper distance. With the plastic insert, you really cannot determine whether or not you had the proper speed.

[dewilson58]

Hitting the ball into the hole requires two things, proper speed and proper distance. With the plastic insert, you really cannot determine whether or not you had the proper speed.


Requires three things...............#3 is a hole.


:MOJE_whot:

[blueash]

Requires three things...............#3 is a hole.


:MOJE_whot:

You just wanted to type a hole and not get censored

[dewilson58]

You just wanted to type a hole and not get censored




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[Two Bills]

:icon_wink: I counted 94..... I think you missed by 1. Well anyway I was back about 14 deep in the gallery screaming "IN THE HOLE" ...... don't know if you heard me. And boy oh boy can you hit it over water!:ho:
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I heard 'Hole' and 'Off' a lot, but couldn't make out what was said with it.
Definitely 93 though!:icon_wink:

[NotFromAroundHere]

USGA does not define hole-in-one, they define score. :ohdear:

Scoring a 1 is a hole-in-one. The player finished the hole in 1 stroke. Seems obvious.

[dewilson58]

Scoring a 1 is a hole-in-one. The player finished the hole in 1 stroke. Seems obvious.


Nope.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Scoring a 1 is a hole-in-one. The player finished the hole in 1 stroke. Seems obvious.

So a golfer whose handicap gives them a stroke on a par 3 actually has a hole in one when they make a birdie?

[morriewayne]

Any hole in one is legitimate it’s all luck and does not happen often.......