Watching and Waiting for a Coronavirus Surge in The Villages in Today's WSJ

[capecodbob]

Sprawling retirement community has at least 68 residents positive for Covid-19; ‘an opportunity for it to take off’
By Arian Campo-Flores for The Wall Street Journal
April 17, 2020 8:00 am ET


Residents of The Villages, a sprawling retirement community in central Florida, were still gathering in town squares, visiting nail salons and browsing an estate sale in late March. Only after Gov. Ron DeSantis issued a statewide stay-at-home order April 1 did many of the holdouts hunker down, residents and officials say.

The delay in adopting social-distancing measures could haunt The Villages, a fast-growing metro area of more than 128,000 people whose older age makes them especially vulnerable to Covid-19

So, are we going to have a surge or not?

[starflyte1]

Yes, it could haunt The Villages. It also may NOT haunt The Villages! I’ll go with the latter.

[VApeople]

So, are we going to have a surge or not?

Nope.

Most of us have learned to keep our distance and enjoy our lives. I see small groups of people gathering in front of their homes and I see groups of golf carts parked somewhat near to each other. They appear to enjoy socializing at a reasonable distance.

Some people are jealous of us because we have learned to roll with the punches and enjoy every day. Now it is time for us to brush our teeth, go for a walk around Hogeye, and get a carry-out calzone on our way home.

[vintageogauge]

My concern is the influx of New York area people even more concern now that Cuomo extended the "stay at home" until May 15th. A lot of NY license plates out there and if they are fresh arrivals there will be trouble down the road.

[dewilson58]

Surge???.................Yes, thanks to all the golfers.


:shocked:

[daphnie]

Not all New Yorkers are in a hot spot. My county has 18 active cases. 30 recoveries 2 deaths. It’s worse there than central and upstate NY

[npwalters]

If I did the math right the 68 folks are .004% of TV population.

[Gpsma]

If I did the math right the 68 folks are .004% of TV population.

Stop talking common sense.

[2BNTV]

My doctor said the curve is still rising but I think we will be alright in several weeks assuming we practice social distancing.

My prediction is May 15th for all of Florida.

But then, what do I know? We can only hope for the best.

[sail33or]

Music in the Squares in 2 weeks. Rec Centers and pools open in 4 weeks.

QUIT LISTENING TO THE MEDIA.

[Velvet]

Now that is funny.

[sail33or]

Texas will lead the way and maybe Florida will follow.

[Sail41]

We always hear and read about the number of those affected with the virus, but nowhere do we hear about the number of people who have been cured or those released from the hospitals. I think if they counted those cured or no longer affected, the numbers would be far less. But, that doesn't scare people and sell papers or tv.

[billethkid]

Amateur/desperate reporter making a banquet out of a ham sandwich!!!!

[skarra]

My concern is the influx of New York area people even more concern now that Cuomo extended the "stay at home" until May 15th. A lot of NY license plates out there and if they are fresh arrivals there will be trouble down the road.

So if Cuomo didn't extend the stay at home order and they were free to roam everywhere, there would be less people from NYC traveling to the Villages? That doesn't make sense.

[DianeM]

Amateur/desperate reporter making a banquet out of a ham sandwich!!!!

Fantastic analogy

[Beyond The Wall]

Numbers dont lie. Great job pointing it out

[vintageogauge]

So if Cuomo didn't extend the stay at home order and they were free to roam everywhere, there would be less people from NYC traveling to the Villages? That doesn't make sense.

That's the problem, they are free to roam as the restrictions are not enforced.

[ONTAP15]

My concern is the influx of New York area people even more concern now that Cuomo extended the "stay at home" until May 15th. A lot of NY license plates out there and if they are fresh arrivals there will be trouble down the road.
Two families that I know, left NY in order to get out of harms way. Both are long time owners and are practicing social distancing and quarantined themselves for 2 weeks. As long as they are abiding by the rules, they or anyone from any state ,have a perfect right to come to their homes in TV. Apparently you think New Yorkers, who are under immense pressure from CV, are ignorant. We are not.

[vintageogauge]

Two families that I know, left NY in order to get out of harms way. Both are long time owners and are practicing social distancing and quarantined themselves for 2 weeks. As long as they are abiding by the rules, they or anyone from any state ,have a perfect right to come to their homes in TV. Apparently you think New Yorkers, who are under immense pressure from CV, are ignorant. We are not.

That's 2 families out of over 20,000 documented people that have entered the state from the NY Metro area. Do you really think they are all self quarantined? I doubt it very much. And I'm not saying they're ignorant, they are not obeying their governors orders. We would like to go up to Ohio and visit our children and grandchildren but we know we're not supposed to so here we stay.

[tsmall22204]

That is just not true. Why do you feel the need to spread such lies

[Leadbone1]

Surge???.................Yes, thanks to all the golfers.


:shocked:

What a ridiculous remark !

[Gmb727]

If I did the math right the 68 folks are .004% of TV population.

I hate when those pesky facts get in the way of a shocking headlines.

[GoodLife]

If I did the math right the 68 folks are .004% of TV population.

You might want to recalculate by including an estimate for asymptomatic/undiagnosed cases. Stanford study shows 50-85 times confirmed cases have been exposed to virus.

[Skunky1]

If you wish to congregate, get a beer and a hotdog, just go behind Palmer country club.

[MOMOH]

No one in their right mind wants to come here during love-bug season, and it seems to be starting early. And if they do, it will chase them back!

[Travelhunter]

Music in the Squares in 2 weeks. Rec Centers and pools open in 4 weeks.

QUIT LISTENING TO THE MEDIA.

Is this official

[JonWilliams]

You might want to recalculate by including an estimate for asymptomatic/undiagnosed cases. Stanford study shows 50-85 times confirmed cases have been exposed to virus.

UFHealth's study of asymptomatic people who thought they had been exposed to the virus: 2100 people tested at the Polo Grounds so far, with three positive for COVID-19. That's .1%. Reported in The Villages Daily Sun, April 15.

[Travelhunter]

You might want to recalculate by including an estimate for asymptomatic/undiagnosed cases. Stanford study shows 50-85 times confirmed cases have been exposed to virus.

I remember when N.Y. had 68 cases. I hope we reached the peak here

[davem4616]

all I could think of after reading the OP was a memory of Howard Cosell drawing out the phrase "He-- could--go--all-- the-- way--this --- could --come ---back ---to -- haunt---them!!" as a defender intercepted a pass and ran it back for a TD

now in my best Rocky Bellboa voice: ADRIAN...you ain't got no crystal ball, so stop spreading fear

[bd20166]

Did the WSJ call the market crash? They are no different than the MSM.

[Micki]

I’ve seen people congregating all over The Villages, especially in the stores. I also know many people, including myself, are praying Psalm 91 over all of you, my neighbors. The power of God is far greater than the power of a virus. If we were going to spike wouldn’t we be seeing it now? Sixty eight people out of more than 100,000 is .07%. I think rather than believing ongoing news reports about a spike coming, its time to thank God for His Divine protection.

Psalm 91
1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High
shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
2 I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress:
my God; in him will I trust.
3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler,
and from the noisome pestilence.
4 He shall cover thee with his feathers,
and under his wings shalt thou trust:
his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night;
nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
6 nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness;
nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
7 A thousand shall fall at thy side,
and ten thousand at thy right hand;
but it shall not come nigh thee.
8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold
and see the reward of the wicked.
9 Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge,
even the most High, thy habitation;
10 there shall no evil befall thee,
neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee,
to keep thee in all thy ways.
12 They shall bear thee up in their hands,
lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder:
the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him:
I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him:
I will be with him in trouble;
I will deliver him, and honour him.
16 With long life will I satisfy him,
and shew him my salvation.

[Rsenholzi]

This is scary since Fl hasn’t even been quarantined a month yet. What is wrong with the coidiots running this state! Are they trying to kill off the seniors and make social security last longer?

[MandoMan]

I read that Wall Street Journal article, and there were a number of errors. It seems to be the work of a stringer desperate to get her name in the paper, drawn from letters to editors and out-of-date statistics. In this case, surprisingly, the ************** is probably more accurate than the WSJ. The article is a bit like those trash journalism pieces from years ago that keep being mentioned about there being waves of STDs in The Villages. Turned out there were two or three more cases than usual, but still far less than Florida as a whole. But it sold a lot of newspapers. This is the real fake news, people, yet it still ends up on the television. All those people in the town squares? Most of them looked way too young to be living here. I think they were visitors from outside The Villages. But does that get reported? No.

The Villages has almost nothing but single family homes, and nearly all have only one or two people living there, and they all have room to be outdoors in the sun. Social distancing and quarantining is easy. There is plenty of room to walk and ride bicycles or go for rides in golf carts, even if we can’t swim or golf right now. This is much safer than urban neighborhoods where people are packed together. So keep your distance, keep up your courage, don’t panic, and we will get through this.

[GoodLife]

UFHealth's study of asymptomatic people who thought they had been exposed to the virus: 2100 people tested at the Polo Grounds so far, with three positive for COVID-19. That's .1%. Reported in The Villages Daily Sun, April 15.

UF test was for active virus, Stanford test was for antibodies.

[ficoguy]

We all gonna die sometime....just not all at once...
The media loves to pint out The Villages for everything, so why not this.
If the surge doesn't happen, will they be happy? Or disappointed? Inquiring minds want to know...

[stan the man]

We always hear and read about the number of those affected with the virus, but nowhere do we hear about the number of people who have been cured or those released from the hospitals. I think if they counted those cured or no longer affected, the numbers would be far less. But, that doesn't scare people and sell papers or tv.

I would really like to know how many of the COVID virus deaths were actually people who died from influenza with pre-existing conditions and counted as COVID deaths 2018 Sumter county 29 deaths from influenza

[ficoguy]

You mean line dancers...who can't even stay a foot away from each other. And were dancing to WVLG in the squares, even though they were closed and there was yellow barrier tape put up. Yea, golfers.....

[NotGolfer]

I just watched a video of a report of a study out of Stanford University. I don't know how to transfer it here...but it's pretty astounding what their findings found. Anyone whose more technically proficient than me, probably could find it and share it. Steve Deace was the one who was sharing it...if that would help. It actually gave hope instead of fear!!

[ficoguy]

Odd, how 2 communities in NJ ( Lakewood and Teaneck ) with large concentrations of religious orthodox have caused NJ's surge...but nary a word on that in the alarmist media...in fact, Gov. Murphy said any finger pointing or singling out of particular communities would be a hate crime....but it's not a hate crime to single out The Villages....

[Jacob85]

The 68 people are the ones we know about. This is so contagious and the open beaches show people in clusters it’s only a matter of time

[Stu from NYC]

Something else to look forward too. grrrr

[merrymini]

Surge? Having been cooped up for a month, not just two weeks, we can fairly assume that there will not be a surge and that this reporter is an idiot.

[PugMom]

I would really like to know how many of the COVID virus deaths were actually people who died from influenza with pre-existing conditions and counted as COVID deaths 2018 Sumter county 29 deaths from influenza Stan, the state where i came from (Ct.) is counting deaths of people who pass away showing symptoms, not whether they actually had it. by doing this, they can create their own stats of how many died from corona, or died DURING the virus, but from other complications. i assume i either have it or am a carrier if i listened to all the media hysteria.

[ficoguy]

I'm getting a little weird feeling about this concept of "Corona Virus Survivors"
Are the accolades more deserving for this than prostate cancer, colon cancer, breast cancer, etc?
I think there is a move to start a class action suit against the Federal Government for not acting soon enough by creating a class of victims.
Is Morgan and Morgan running any ads yet?
Tobacco, baby powder, Round Up.....this could be huuuugggggeeeee.

[PugMom]

I'm getting a little weird feeling about this concept of "Corona Virus Survivors"
Are the accolades more deserving for this than prostate cancer, colon cancer, breast cancer, etc?
I think there is a move to start a class action suit against the Federal Government for not acting soon enough by creating a class of victims.
Is Morgan and Morgan running any ads yet?
Tobacco, baby powder, Round Up.....this could be huuuugggggeeeee.
:1rotfl::1rotfl: i hear ya!! where do i sign up??

[Lottoguy]

Squares open in two weeks? I'll take that bet any day.

[bumpygreens]

Have you noticed how many so called news stories rely on words like: could, may, might, possibly, etc...hypotheticals in place of facts. Just more of the news trying to shape what we think instead of telling us what is.
Villager Swallows Dollar, No Change Yet
-or-
Villager Swallows Dollar, May Start Shooting Nickels Out His @$$

[ficoguy]

[QUOTE=capecodbob;1748105]Sprawling retirement community has at least 68 residents positive for Covid-19; ‘an opportunity for it to take off’
By Arian Campo-Flores for The Wall Street Journal
April 17, 2020 8:00 am ET


Residents of The Villages, a sprawling retirement community in central Florida, were still gathering in town squares, visiting nail salons and browsing an estate sale in late March. Only after Gov. Ron DeSantis issued a statewide stay-at-home order April 1 did many of the holdouts hunker down, residents and officials say.

The delay in adopting social-distancing measures could haunt The Villages, a fast-growing metro area of more than 128,000 people whose older age makes them especially vulnerable to Covid-19

Preliminary results from government lab experiments show that the coronavirus does not survive long in high temperatures and high humidity, and is quickly destroyed by sunlight, providing evidence from controlled tests of what scientists believed — but had not yet proved — to be true.

[davefin]

Surge???.................Yes, thanks to all the golfers.


:shocked:

Can I assume you're not into golf? Let me tell you, it's safer on the golf courses than it is at the mailboxes.

[davefin]

I read that Wall Street Journal article, and there were a number of errors. It seems to be the work of a stringer desperate to get her name in the paper, drawn from letters to editors and out-of-date statistics. In this case, surprisingly, the ************** is probably more accurate than the WSJ. The article is a bit like those trash journalism pieces from years ago that keep being mentioned about there being waves of STDs in The Villages. Turned out there were two or three more cases than usual, but still far less than Florida as a whole. But it sold a lot of newspapers. This is the real fake news, people, yet it still ends up on the television. All those people in the town squares? Most of them looked way too young to be living here. I think they were visitors from outside The Villages. But does that get reported? No.

The Villages has almost nothing but single family homes, and nearly all have only one or two people living there, and they all have room to be outdoors in the sun. Social distancing and quarantining is easy. There is plenty of room to walk and ride bicycles or go for rides in golf carts, even if we can’t swim or golf right now. This is much safer than urban neighborhoods where people are packed together. So keep your distance, keep up your courage, don’t panic, and we will get through this.

:bigbow:

[mtlee024]

Surge???.................Yes, thanks to all the golfers.


:shocked:

It is safer golfing then going to the grocery stores, or Home Depot, etc. You just sound like a non golfer who can't take it that someone gets to do what they love.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Thanks

[Poirier]

If I did the math right the 68 folks are .004% of TV population.

Well, that number could be accurate if all the owners/renters were present here in TV. There are a lot of empty houses in my area where owners/snowbirds have fled to go back to their home state. I would suspect that the total population of TV would be lower right now making your calculation a little higher......

[oneclickplus]

A surge in TV might result in more re-sales and lower prices. Maybe I'll pick up a rental property.

[john352]

It is more meaningful to state the number of cases per 100,000 population rather than just the totals.

As of the early Saturday (4/18) morning, here are the number of cases per 100,000 population:

215 USA
1,203 New York State
108 Florida
89 Sumter County
56 The Villages (73 cases & 130,000 population)

[sally2189]

They do list them every day, the number of cases and the number of deaths. If you subtract the deaths from the number of cases, you have how many have survived!

[meridian5850]

If I did the math right the 68 folks are .004% of TV population.

(68/128,000) x 100 = 0.053%

[jebartle]

I hate when those pesky facts get in the way of a shocking headlines.

Sign of the times!!!!!!

[EdFNJ]

Stan, the state where i came from (Ct.) is counting deaths of people who pass away showing symptoms, not whether they actually had it. Just maybe it's because they don't have enough tests to warrant wasting them on DEAD PEOPLE but rather those who may be walking around with it. People are also told to STAY home and not walk in to a hospital, Dr office, emergency care or emergency room if they have symptoms so think about how many aren't counted that actually do have it. I guess you also think all those that died and were stacked up in the morgue in the nursing home in Andover NJ just died of the flu or the 600 in the Smithfield plant just had a bad cold.

[Joanne19335]

Surge???.................Yes, thanks to all the golfers.


:shocked:

Oh, PULEEEEEZE. Here we go again.

[jarodrig]

If you wish to congregate, get a beer and a hotdog, just go behind Palmer country club.

No longer true to my dismay......that was shut down a week or two ago ....

A tree hugging whiner probably saw folks (who were social distancing) having fun and couldn’t control himself/herself and blew the whistle ......

[coastalnh]

If I did the math right the 68 folks are .004% of TV population.

Yes, but the problem isn't the 68 infected, its the 100 people each infected, and the 100 each they infected...

[EnglishJW]

You might want to recalculate by including an estimate for asymptomatic/undiagnosed cases. Stanford study shows 50-85 times confirmed cases have been exposed to virus.

These are the reported results from the ongoing testing program here in TV.

"Additionally, just three out of 2,100 asymptomatic people in a voluntary research study tested positive."

COVID-19 testing continues at The Villages(R) as research and clinical results offer crucial insights | UF Health, University of Florida Health (https://m.ufhealth.org/news/2020/covid-19-testing-continues-villages-research-and-clinical-results-offer-crucial-insights?fbclid=IwAR0TMhFwWPwXIVt2SQeXHKbx2e0pu33X jZY-p4kL9ieOec811Fy_1Ib66Oc)

[Dilligas]

Why does everyone think just because a writer is in the WSJ, it is fact and gospel? WSJ is like most other media, they write to sell papers and subscriptions. Has Arian Campo-Flores ever been here to witness what he wrote about? Or is he looking at media and internet pics to make his conclusions. Remember, the 'we live in the promiscuous capital of the US' label the media falsely wrote about?

[arbajeda]

Just a regurgitation of this Tampa Bay Times article of two weeks ago. The WSJ article is behind a pay wall so you won't be able to read it all unless you subscribe.

For seniors in Florida’s Villages, coronavirus dangers stack up (https://www.tampabay.com/special-reports/2020/04/04/in-the-villages-americas-biggest-retirement-oasis-the-dangers-of-coronavirus-stack-up/)

Watching and Waiting for a Coronavirus Surge at The Villages in Florida - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/watching-and-waiting-for-a-coronavirus-surge-at-the-villages-in-florida-11587124800)

Their predictions primarily rely on the fact that the preponderance of Villagers are older and many have preexisting conditions. They both ignore the fact that if there were going to be rampant infections they would have taken place before the mandated social distancing.

Conclusion? It's all fake news. Just something to take up space on a page that predicts doom and gloom, akin to Don Hendley's "Dirty Laundry."

[GoodLife]

These are the reported results from the ongoing testing program here in TV.

"Additionally, just three out of 2,100 asymptomatic people in a voluntary research study tested positive."

COVID-19 testing continues at The Villages(R) as research and clinical results offer crucial insights | UF Health, University of Florida Health (https://m.ufhealth.org/news/2020/covid-19-testing-continues-villages-research-and-clinical-results-offer-crucial-insights?fbclid=IwAR0TMhFwWPwXIVt2SQeXHKbx2e0pu33X jZY-p4kL9ieOec811Fy_1Ib66Oc)

Yes I understand, as noted above the Stanford study was for antibodies, the UF TV test was for active virus. Apples and oranges

[EnglishJW]

UF test was for active virus, Stanford test was for antibodies.


Do you have a link to that? Was it the ELISA test?

Researchers Develop COVID-19 Antibody Test (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200327/researchers-develop-covid-19-antibody-test)

[jklfairwin]

Just remember that the outbreak in Washington stated with one case. The outbreak in New York probably the same.

[DianeM]

This is scary since Fl hasn’t even been quarantined a month yet. What is wrong with the coidiots running this state! Are they trying to kill off the seniors and make social security last longer?

Do you really think the Bambi in a bikini is coming to TV?

[DianeM]

Stan, the state where i came from (Ct.) is counting deaths of people who pass away showing symptoms, not whether they actually had it. by doing this, they can create their own stats of how many died from corona, or died DURING the virus, but from other complications. i assume i either have it or am a carrier if i listened to all the media hysteria.

New York is doing that too. Somehow I suspect higher death rates will afford them the opportunity to whine for more federal assistance.

[jimjamuser]

If I did the math right the 68 folks are .004% of TV population.
The problem is those 68 were and are wandering around (maybe 2weeks ago or today) and they have been infecting multiple others (it is highly contagious). Those infected may be non-symptomatic and the spread is exponential. Many experts believe that nationwide there could be 50% of all people infected. We have virtually no testing for non-symtomatic people. In an older community like the Villiages it could be 80% carrying CV.

[jimjamuser]

Texas will lead the way and maybe Florida will follow.
Down a rabbit hole of pain!

[jimjamuser]

Just maybe it's because they don't have enough tests to warrant wasting them on DEAD PEOPLE but rather those who may be walking around with it. People are also told to STAY home and not walk in to a hospital, Dr office, emergency care or emergency room if they have symptoms so think about how many aren't counted that actually do have it. I guess you also think all those that died and were stacked up in the morgue in the nursing home in Andover NJ just died of the flu or the 600 in the Smithfield plant just had a bad cold.
I like it.....200ft......social sneeze distancing

[DianeM]

I am so tired of the constant refrain on the shortage of tests. There are more than enough tests to use on people who need to be tested. You can talk all day about asymptomatic but you cannot test the entire population of the United States, 330 million people, on a daily basis. You can be negative on Monday and positive on Thursday. No one is shoving a stick up my nose just to assuage someone else’s fear for the day. Nor are they doing a nasal swab. Not thrilled with someone taking my temperature either but that’s not invasive.

[jimjamuser]

UF test was for active virus, Stanford test was for antibodies.
Very informative. Keep up the good work.

[GoodLife]

Do you have a link to that? Was it the ELISA test?

Researchers Develop COVID-19 Antibody Test (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200327/researchers-develop-covid-19-antibody-test)

Stanford used a lateral flow immunoassay to test for antibodies. Link to study here:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1.full.pdf

[JoMar]

Is this official

No....Sumter won't provide any guidance until the end of the month. Since Social distancing is required for Phase 1 and 2 how do you think that would work?

[donaviv]

I wish....

[boilermaker7091]

Surge???.................Yes, thanks to all the golfers.


:shocked:

Most people I’ve on the courses are driving their own carts. A foursome on a green seldom get to close unless they’re at the hole. This sounds like a disgruntled tennis player who doesn’t realize how close they are when they play. You can fit several tennis courts on a golf green.

[zendog3]

I think some people do not understand what flattening the curve means. It does not mean that fewer people get the disease or die for it. It means fewer of them get it at the same time. Flattening the curve means the disease spreads much slower, giving time to develop a vaccine and keeping hospitals from being overwhelmed. If we go back to unrestrained socializing before we have a vaccine there will be a secondary surge. This virus spreads fast when people gather together. Your goal should be to stay out from under the curve all the time. You don't want your mourners to say, "At least she died after we flattened the curve."

[Barefoot]

For seniors in Florida’s Villages, coronavirus dangers stack up (https://www.tampabay.com/special-reports/2020/04/04/in-the-villages-americas-biggest-retirement-oasis-the-dangers-of-coronavirus-stack-up/)

Watching and Waiting for a Coronavirus Surge at The Villages in Florida - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/watching-and-waiting-for-a-coronavirus-surge-at-the-villages-in-florida-11587124800)

Their predictions primarily rely on the fact that the preponderance of Villagers are older and many have preexisting conditions. They both ignore the fact that if there were going to be rampant infections they would have taken place before the mandated social distancing.

Conclusion? It's all fake news. People have died in The Villages. I don't think it's fake news.

[Adorrable1]

Thank you Daphne. It is so frustrating that people who don't live in the state of new york, don't understand the difference between NYC, and the buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse area. People in NYC live on top of each other and live with mass transit. The other side of the state is the total opposite. Don't put us all in one pot. Everything that Cuomo has been spouting for the last month is all about the city
Not upstate. For people that don't know, buffalo is 10 hrs from new york.. don't just look at a license plate and assume.

[72lions]

That's 2 families out of over 20,000 documented people that have entered the state from the NY Metro area. Do you really think they are all self quarantined? I doubt it very much. And I'm not saying they're ignorant, they are not obeying their governors orders. We would like to go up to Ohio and visit our children and grandchildren but we know we're not supposed to so here we stay.

20,000 documented to have physically abandoned NYC area and relocated to Florida? Documented by whom?

[sheena0904]

If I did the math right the 68 folks are .004% of TV population.

I was so concerned about the outbreak in The Villages and it never came. The fear and lies the media has spread is just unbelievable. Let things go back to normal. Any death is too much from something but 19 in the tri county area over 2 months? Pretty sure a lot more people have passed from other causes.

[EnglishJW]

Stanford used a lateral flow immunoassay to test for antibodies. Link to study here:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1.full.pdf

Thanks. After getting past the list of 17 authors, I did get through it. The conclusions are not surprising the only question is the order of magnitude / prevalence. Since Quest can and is providing SARS CoV-2 testing, there is likely to be much more information forthcoming. There are also a number of related articles starting to appear as well.

Community Prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 Among Patients With Influenzalike Illnesses Presenting to a Los Angeles Medical Center in March 2020 | Infectious Diseases | JAMA | JAMA Network (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2764137)

[Yukon33]

Thank you Daphne. It is so frustrating that people who don't live in the state of new york, don't understand the difference between NYC, and the buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse area. People in NYC live on top of each other and live with mass transit. The other side of the state is the total opposite. Don't put us all in one pot. Everything that Cuomo has been spouting for the last month is all about the city
Not upstate. For people that don't know, buffalo is 10 hrs from new york.. don't just look at a license plate and assume.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[Trishakaye]

Yes, it could haunt The Villages. It also may NOT haunt The Villages! I’ll go with the latter.

I know privacy issues come into play, but I’m curious which Village residents who tested positive reside in AND did they contract Covid from neighbors, shopping, golfing, etc. Since the number are slowly climbing I guess we assume it’s person to person contact

[justjim]

Music in the Squares in 2 weeks. Rec Centers and pools open in 4 weeks.

QUIT LISTENING TO THE MEDIA.

First Amendment guarantees the freedom of the press. This is very important for our democracy as is the Second Amendment that protects an individuals right to keep a gun for self defense.

[Nancy@Pinellas]

They have to talk about the fatalities or no one would take it seriously. Some South Koreans who were cured of the virus are now getting infected again... what about that?

[coffeebean]

...........The Villages has almost nothing but single family homes, and nearly all have only one or two people living there, and they all have room to be outdoors in the sun. Social distancing and quarantining is easy. There is plenty of room to walk and ride bicycles or go for rides in golf carts, even if we can’t swim or golf right now. This is much safer than urban neighborhoods where people are packed together. So keep your distance, keep up your courage, don’t panic, and we will get through this.
Has golf been closed? As far as I know, golf has remained open.

[coffeebean]

I just watched a video of a report of a study out of Stanford University. I don't know how to transfer it here...but it's pretty astounding what their findings found. Anyone whose more technically proficient than me, probably could find it and share it. Steve Deace was the one who was sharing it...if that would help. It actually gave hope instead of fear!!

New Coronavirus Study is a GAME CHANGER | Steve Deace Show - YouTube (https://youtu.be/ZB7szRDytZY)

[coffeebean]

I wish....

Is this a response to someone's quote? If it is, please reply with quote. I have no idea what you are wishing for.

[ColdNoMore]

With so many stubborn old people, who have a tendency to mainly listen to those who aren't scientists, how can we NOT...have a "surge" at some point? :shrug:

[jimjamuser]

No longer true to my dismay......that was shut down a week or two ago ....

A tree hugging whiner probably saw folks (who were social distancing) having fun and couldn’t control himself/herself and blew the whistle ......
Or maybe they saved your life!

[jenistaf]

Sprawling retirement community has at least 68 residents positive for Covid-19; ‘an opportunity for it to take off’
By Arian Campo-Flores for The Wall Street Journal
April 17, 2020 8:00 am ET


Residents of The Villages, a sprawling retirement community in central Florida, were still gathering in town squares, visiting nail salons and browsing an estate sale in late March. Only after Gov. Ron DeSantis issued a statewide stay-at-home order April 1 did many of the holdouts hunker down, residents and officials say.

The delay in adopting social-distancing measures could haunt The Villages, a fast-growing metro area of more than 128,000 people whose older age makes them especially vulnerable to Covid-19

So, are we going to have a surge or not?

Quarantines are 14 days. Governor's order was April 1. It is April 18. People who were careless in March already got sick if they were going to. Anyone who has been careful since April 1 is gonna be fine - provided they stay careful. No surge.

[mistervin]

What? WSJ is supposed to be financial news? 68 positive out of 128000 is like 1/2%. Use common sense

[Sweet Caroline]

Stupid article. They didnt even mention STDs, loofas, or key parties. I was so disappointed.

[600th Photo Sq]

I’ve seen people congregating all over The Villages, especially in the stores. I also know many people, including myself, are praying Psalm 91 over all of you, my neighbors. The power of God is far greater than the power of a virus. If we were going to spike wouldn’t we be seeing it now? Sixty eight people out of more than 100,000 is .07%. I think rather than believing ongoing news reports about a spike coming, its time to thank God for His Divine protection.

Psalm 91
1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High
shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
2 I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress:
my God; in him will I trust.
3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler,
and from the noisome pestilence.
4 He shall cover thee with his feathers,
and under his wings shalt thou trust:
his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night;
nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
6 nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness;
nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
7 A thousand shall fall at thy side,
and ten thousand at thy right hand;
but it shall not come nigh thee.
8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold
and see the reward of the wicked.
9 Because thou hast made the Lord, which is my refuge,
even the most High, thy habitation;
10 there shall no evil befall thee,
neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee,
to keep thee in all thy ways.
12 They shall bear thee up in their hands,
lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder:
the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him:
I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him:
I will be with him in trouble;
I will deliver him, and honour him.
16 With long life will I satisfy him,
and shew him my salvation.

Huh ? :shocked: :doggie:

[600th Photo Sq]

Stupid article. They didnt even mention STDs, loofas, or key parties. I was so disappointed.

I'm with you. It would have been enjoyable especially the " Key Parties " . :icon_wink:

[billethkid]

I am impressed at the lack of response regarding the Stanford Serology Study provided in an earlier post....
this one

New Coronavirus Study is a GAME CHANGER | Steve Deace Show - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB7szRDytZY&feature=youtu.be)

Released yesterday.....Food for thought; more understanding required; and personal research.

[Terri8352]

68divided by128,000 equals .0037
.0037 rounded is .004...move the decimal for a percent .4% of the population....still a very low amount

[Topspinmo]

Two families that I know, left NY in order to get out of harms way. Both are long time owners and are practicing social distancing and quarantined themselves for 2 weeks. As long as they are abiding by the rules, they or anyone from any state ,have a perfect right to come to their homes in TV. Apparently you think New Yorkers, who are under immense pressure from CV, are ignorant. We are not.


I disagree

[Topspinmo]

With so many stubborn old people, who have a tendency to mainly listen to those who aren't scientists, how can we NOT...have a "surge" at some point? :shrug:


When you get old :shocked:

[RosemarySoso]

Well Mr Vintage, the NY license plates that are here infiltrating your sanitary bubble are those who pay their taxes, pay their amenity fees and support the clubs and restaurants and are stuck here, unable to head north.

[Topspinmo]

Well Mr Vintage, the NY license plates that are here infiltrating your sanitary bubble are those who pay their taxes, pay their amenity fees and support the clubs and restaurants and are stuck here, unable to head north.


So, everybody else does too.

[DianeM]

Life is good when you discover the “ignore” button

[DianeM]

I also replied to that post and it was REMOVED!!!! Not happy about that.

Yours was probably removed because it mentioned an item that would have set them off

[600th Photo Sq]

My doctor said the curve is still rising but I think we will be alright in several weeks assuming we practice social distancing.

My prediction is May 15th for all of Florida.

But then, what do I know? We can only hope for the best.

My prediction is May 16th only because I like an even number plus I had a dream.

It was a peaceful dream and when I woke up I hollered out is this the 16th of May.

The reply came back " Not Yet " . So I went back to sleep :doggie:

[charlieboy]

Dream on.

[spieka1912]

Took exercise bike ride Sat - 19:00 to Sumter Square.
12+ golf carts having drinking party in front of City Fire. Looked like fun.
Here's the problem, I thought we were supposed to only be out for esential errands and exercise.
Here's the next problem, Sumter County car 13-13 stopped, looked, turned a blind eye and drove away.
This is so screwed up, this is the wild west all over, no rules.

[msilagy]

I agree that the amount of infected that is known is low but the deaths is about 9% of those people. That's an indication of what could happen if it blew up in TV. Stated in the media TV had the highest % death rate in Florida. So glad that the incidence so far is low.

[CaVillager]

I thought it was Chris Berman who said, "He could go all the way"!

[blueash]

Quarantines are 14 days. Governor's order was April 1. It is April 18. People who were careless in March already got sick if they were going to. Anyone who has been careful since April 1 is gonna be fine - provided they stay careful. No surge.

The new data from the Florida dashboard has 24 new cases in Sumter today. That is the biggest single day report and hopefully is not part of a trend. Here is the curve of Sumter cases with the last 24 hours added. One way to understand this is to see that 1/6 of all cases since the beginning were reported in the last 24 hours. Do not relax your precautions.

[pcacace]

That would be so nice! It’s like a ghost town right now. Bought a home 2 months ago and have not taken advantage of any of the amenities. My kids even cancelled their visit! 😞

[Koapaka]

Quarantines are 14 days. Governor's order was April 1. It is April 18. People who were careless in March already got sick if they were going to. Anyone who has been careful since April 1 is gonna be fine - provided they stay careful. No surge.

I PRAY you are right, but think you are incorrect. My medical experience has taught me just when you THINK you are out of the woods, complacency proves otherwise. I said it before and will say it again, we need to readdress this 2-3 weeks down the road, and IF I am wrong (and I pray I am truly) I will eat crow willingly and happily. Issue is people do NOT take into account the number asymptomatic that continue to infect those that will suffer...unwittingly, but none the less, creating a domino effect. With aging into the geriatrics group, you are much more likely to be suffering from compromised immunities and underlying medical issues both known and unknown, making the risk for our age groups MUCH more vulnerable to catastrophic outcomes should you contract this virus.

[Mendy]

We always hear and read about the number of those affected with the virus, but nowhere do we hear about the number of people who have been cured or those released from the hospitals. I think if they counted those cured or no longer affected, the numbers would be far less. But, that doesn't scare people and sell papers or tv.

Most of the reports include number of cases, tested, recovered, deaths, etc. Even though I don't believe the reliability of a lot of the numbers, this report is updated all the time and appears to be one of the most consistent (I posted this a few weeks ago as well).

United States Coronavirus: 738,830 Cases and 39,014 Deaths - Worldometer (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)

[Kim Fowler]

It is more meaningful to state the number of cases per 100,000 population rather than just the totals.

As of the early Saturday (4/18) morning, here are the number of cases per 100,000 population:

215 USA
1,203 New York State
108 Florida
89 Sumter County
56 The Villages (73 cases & 130,000 population)


It’s much more meaningful to look at cases per 100,000 people rather than just raw numbers of cases. Wish the media did this. Thank you!

[joshgun]

I’m confused. I thought the town squares were closed on March 13. Remember no st Pats celebration. If this was truly in WSJ then I question whatever else the writer said.

[DianeM]

I read with interest the percentages of deaths in The Villages from 10% down to 2.36%. Anyone take into consideration that we are older and many could have passed of natural causes like “advanced maturity”? The loss of any life is sad but every older person is not dying from covid-19 in TV.

[Kenswing]

It’s much more meaningful to look at cases per 100,000 people rather than just raw numbers of cases. Wish the media did this. Thank you!
This chart lists per 1 million people. You can extrapolate down from there..
United States Coronavirus: 738,830 Cases and 39,014 Deaths - Worldometer (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)

[dougawhite]

They do list them every day, the number of cases and the number of deaths. If you subtract the deaths from the number of cases, you have how many have survived!

Since it takes a few weeks to die, the correct mortality rate is the # of deaths today divided by the number of cases 2-3 weeks ago.

[Altavia]

The new data from the Florida dashboard has 24 new cases in Sumter today. That is the biggest single day report and hopefully is not part of a trend. Here is the curve of Sumter cases with the last 24 hours added. One way to understand this is to see that 1/6 of all cases since the beginning were reported in the last 24 hours. Do not relax your precautions.

Any chance this is due to a change in reporting from COVID confirmed (by test) to COVID suspected?

[blueash]

Any chance this is due to a change in reporting from COVID confirmed (by test) to COVID suspected?

I asked a Sumter county epidemiologist about what is being counted. Only people with positive tests. That is both for test patients and deaths. So these 24 are new positive tests on living people as the death number did not change. Yet.

[Yung Dum]

None of this quarantining matters to our health. It's only in place to reduce the burden on the hospitals. Just because restrictions are eased up, you are not a bit safer than before. There also seems to be misconceptions about testing. Testing negative does not mean you are immune. It means you don't have the virus today. You may get it tomorrow or next week. You're not safe. No one is safe until a vaccine or cure is developed and that doesn't seem to be on the horizon. If you want to protect yourself, stay home or continue social distancing.

[Fishers2tall]

Stupid article. They didnt even mention STDs, loofas, or key parties. I was so disappointed.

Thank you for your comment! That was oh so funny!!
:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause: :BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

[NotFromAroundHere]

68divided by128,000 equals .0037
.0037 rounded is .004...move the decimal for a percent .4% of the population....still a very low amount

Something is wrong with my calculator!!!!! When I divide 68 by 128,000 it says .00053125!!!!

[Cheapbas]

If I did the math right the 68 folks are .004% of TV population.

highest % in the country. Thankfully the numbers are low and we need to keep it that way.

[JonWilliams]

UF test was for active virus, Stanford test was for antibodies.
True. Stanford test showed how many people had been exposed to the virus and developed antibodies -- whether or not they got "sick" and have now recovered. The point of the OP was "is there going to be a breakout of illness in The Villages due to the reported 68 cases coupled with asymptomatic people who could spread the disease?" The UF study showed that the number of asymptomatic people who are actually carrying the virus is very small: one tenth of one percent. This suggests Villagers are doing a good job sheltering in place so we are likely to avoid a widespread breakout of COVID-19.

[Travelhunter]

No....Sumter won't provide any guidance until the end of the month. Since Social distancing is required for Phase 1 and 2 how do you think that would work?

Thank you

[Travelhunter]

Quarantines are 14 days. Governor's order was April 1. It is April 18. People who were careless in March already got sick if they were going to. Anyone who has been careful since April 1 is gonna be fine - provided they stay careful. No surge.
Provided they didn’t come into contact with any of the people who weren’t careful and didn’t come into contact with any of the people infected by the people who weren’t careful

[Travelhunter]

I PRAY you are right, but think you are incorrect. My medical experience has taught me just when you THINK you are out of the woods, complacency proves otherwise. I said it before and will say it again, we need to readdress this 2-3 weeks down the road, and IF I am wrong (and I pray I am truly) I will eat crow willingly and happily. Issue is people do NOT take into account the number asymptomatic that continue to infect those that will suffer...unwittingly, but none the less, creating a domino effect. With aging into the geriatrics group, you are much more likely to be suffering from compromised immunities and underlying medical issues both known and unknown, making the risk for our age groups MUCH more vulnerable to catastrophic outcomes should you contract this virus.
I agree. I’d rather be safe for a few weeks and enjoy the rest of my life

[Bill1701]

Surge???.................Yes, thanks to all the golfers.


:shocked:

Really? Where is your proof?

[tomhinz]

You bet. NYers should not come here. They are bringing chaos.

[lindaelane]

UFHealth's study of asymptomatic people who thought they had been exposed to the virus: 2100 people tested at the Polo Grounds so far, with three positive for COVID-19. That's .1%. Reported in The Villages Daily Sun, April 15.

Yes, but which test did UF Health use? The commonly available one gives a false negative to 30% of those who take it but are actually positive. Only about 3 days ago did a fairly accurate test become available, and I do not think - though I could be wrong - that UFHealth has that test. The earlier versions usefulness was that if it said you were positive, you almost always were. However, if it said you were negative, that was not too reassuring, since if you actually had CV, there was a 30% chance the test would miss it.

[ficoguy]

If I did the math right the 68 folks are .004% of TV population.
Miniscule. Not statistically relevant, except to village haters....the same ones that say we are riddled STDs due to promiscuous sex in the squares.

[bluedivergirl]

I’m confused. I thought the town squares were closed on March 13. Remember no st Pats celebration. If this was truly in WSJ then I question whatever else the writer said.

I caught that, too. I remember going to Brownwood on March 4th, and the squares were closed the next day. Remember the date because it is the last billing for the Bar Hut!

Another benefit of flattening the curve ~ at least I hope ~ is to give docs more time to understand this disease. When we first started, ventilators were everything. Now the shift is focusing to blood disturbances causing lung problems.

Those of us who get sick later may have better outcomes because knowledge has grown.

[Twiganne]

That was really funny lol

[Lottoguy]

I found the article to be accurate. There was an estate sale conducted during on March 26th. And the writer mentioned the various precautions being taken.

[Dilligas]

What? WSJ is supposed to be financial news? 68 positive out of 128000 is like 1/2%. Use common sense
no it is .053%

[bumpygreens]

Something is wrong with my calculator!!!!! When I divide 68 by 128,000 it says .00053125!!!!

It must be an epidemic! My calculator gave me the same result!!! Should we quarantine the infected calculators, or imprison the uninfected ones? :MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:

[Lisa99]

We always hear and read about the number of those affected with the virus, but nowhere do we hear about the number of people who have been cured or those released from the hospitals. I think if they counted those cured or no longer affected, the numbers would be far less. But, that doesn't scare people and sell papers or tv.

They are counted. The following numbers are taken from the WHO at Worldometers.info.

Current US cases: 740,928
Of those 107,683 have had an outcome
Recovered: 68,599
Died: 39,084

The global numbers are similar in percentages.

[Diamond Dave]

It's been stated that there are 68 confirmed cases in TV. How many deaths? Does anyone know the status of The Villages Hospital? Do they have respirators? How many Covid19 patients are there? I heard that they have the entire 2nd floor ready for them is needed.

[sallybowron]

Do you want to be among that small percent. I DON"T

[Bogie Shooter]

It's been stated that there are 68 confirmed cases in TV. How many deaths? Does anyone know the status of The Villages Hospital? Do they have respirators? How many Covid19 patients are there? I heard that they have the entire 2nd floor ready for them is needed.

With a little effort you can find your answers here.
COVID-19 Updates >> UF Health >> University of Florida (https://coronavirus.ufhealth.org/)

[Barefoot]

It's been stated that there are 68 confirmed cases in TV. How many deaths? Does anyone know the status of The Villages Hospital? Do they have respirators? How many Covid19 patients are there? I heard that they have the entire 2nd floor ready for them if needed.It's nice to hear that they have the entire second dedicated to COVID-19 patients if needed.
I'd be interested to know if the Village Hospital has respirators.

[Koapaka]

I caught that, too. I remember going to Brownwood on March 4th, and the squares were closed the next day. Remember the date because it is the last billing for the Bar Hut!

Another benefit of flattening the curve ~ at least I hope ~ is to give docs more time to understand this disease. When we first started, ventilators were everything. Now the shift is focusing to blood disturbances causing lung problems.

Those of us who get sick later may have better outcomes because knowledge has grown.

Unfortunately, another fairly new development with some patients fighting this virus is also kidney damage/failure. :( :( :(

[bilcon]

Everyone is ready to condem The Villages, but the truth is that for a community this size with a high risk population, we have had few cases compared to other places in the world. Go pick on NY for waiting too long to stop the gathering activities.

[prntxpresn]

I know of a neighborhood whose residents go in each others' houses & rider in cars. Virus slows down in summer & will be reevoked this winter.

[Pinellas0311]

Based on newspaper articles, I have had a number of friends invite me to come up north to stay with them and "be safer."

Let me say that the statistics of infections and deaths in The Villages area are not as bad as the numbers can be made to seem. There is no question that because of the older average age, the "rate of deaths per case" is higher than most other areas. 11 deaths out of 114 cases is 9.6% which is very high compared to many areas.

The positive view of the numbers come from looking at the infection rates in total. Think about it. Out of 120,000 people, only 114 have been infected. That's .09%, only one in 1,111. The overall Florida average is 22,082 out of 20,598,139. That's one out of every 935. The infection rate in The Villages is less than the rate for the entire state.

So yes, catching the virus in The Villages is, on average, more dangerous than in other areas, because of the average age. However, the risk of catching it is less than the average for the state.

I am as safe here as anywhere, as being somewhere else wouldn't change my age.

[Indydealmaker]

That headline reads as if the author is hoping for a crisis here. Poor writing or bias?

[Velvet]

Waiting? Knowing my neighbors, it might be a long wait;

[VApeople]

the open beaches show people in clusters

The pictures I saw did NOT show the people in clusters.

[jimjamuser]

Took exercise bike ride Sat - 19:00 to Sumter Square.
12+ golf carts having drinking party in front of City Fire. Looked like fun.
Here's the problem, I thought we were supposed to only be out for esential errands and exercise.
Here's the next problem, Sumter County car 13-13 stopped, looked, turned a blind eye and drove away.
This is so screwed up, this is the wild west all over, no rules.
And the taxpayer paid that police officer for his time. Also the cruiser cost and the gas.

[JulieER]

We always hear and read about the number of those affected with the virus, but nowhere do we hear about the number of people who have been cured or those released from the hospitals. I think if they counted those cured or no longer affected, the numbers would be far less. But, that doesn't scare people and sell papers or tv.

There is a site that updates constantly. You can find the recoveries there. And so much more. I was flagged for spam when I put the link in the msg but you can see it on top of the picture.

[charmed59]

That does show recoveries if they are reported. On the Bing file that shows they same information it shows NO recoveries in Florida. We know that is not true, the Sun reported 66 recoveries in Sumter County as of last week.

I know I feel much more positive when they report recoveries or active cases. The day they reported the 66 recoveries in the Sun they reported 110 cases in Sumter, so only 44 active cases. Doesn’t that sound much more hopeful.

[PugMom]

Just maybe it's because they don't have enough tests to warrant wasting them on DEAD PEOPLE but rather those who may be walking around with it. People are also told to STAY home and not walk in to a hospital, Dr office, emergency care or emergency room if they have symptoms so think about how many aren't counted that actually do have it. I guess you also think all those that died and were stacked up in the morgue in the nursing home in Andover NJ just died of the flu or the 600 in the Smithfield plant just had a bad cold.just stating what i see in the msm. Ct. still has a higher number of infections/deaths compared to this huge state. i'm keeping it in perspective & watching all the misinformation being passed off as news, while fending off the 'fun police' who think i should be indoors @ all times until i get the free & clear from political op's. i am rarely intimidated, esp by those who think they know best

[PugMom]

The pictures I saw did NOT show the people in clusters.

i was told they used STOCK FOOTAGE for that news report

[Topspinmo]

Most people I’ve on the courses are driving their own carts. A foursome on a green seldom get to close unless they’re at the hole. This sounds like a disgruntled tennis player who doesn’t realize how close they are when they play. You can fit several tennis courts on a golf green.

Evidently you haven’t been on Tennis court 120 by 120 feet. That would maybe be one or half of one.

[Topspinmo]

Can I assume you're not into golf? Let me tell you, it's safer on the golf courses than it is at the mailboxes.

So says golfer

[Topspinmo]

First Amendment guarantees the freedom of the press. This is very important for our democracy as is the Second Amendment that protects an individuals right to keep a gun for self defense.

But, it don’t guarantee truth, only opinions in most cases.

[ficoguy]

8 to 12 people a day die in the villages every day from long/short illnesses, accidents, etc. It's called the circle of life.

[TimeForChange]

Sprawling retirement community has at least 68 residents positive for Covid-19; ‘an opportunity for it to take off’
By Arian Campo-Flores for The Wall Street Journal
April 17, 2020 8:00 am ET


Residents of The Villages, a sprawling retirement community in central Florida, were still gathering in town squares, visiting nail salons and browsing an estate sale in late March. Only after Gov. Ron DeSantis issued a statewide stay-at-home order April 1 did many of the holdouts hunker down, residents and officials say.

The delay in adopting social-distancing measures could haunt The Villages, a fast-growing metro area of more than 128,000 people whose older age makes them especially vulnerable to Covid-19

So, are we going to have a surge or not?

If there is a surge it will be because a lot of people are coming here from NY and other States renting following the normal migration of snow birds back North. Have you not noticed the increase in the number of NY tags in the last two weeks. You think those people are staying in their rental houses for two weeks before going to the grocery store.

[Gpsma]

8 to 12 people a day die in the villages every day from long/short illnesses, accidents, etc. It's called the circle of life.

Stop posting rational comments.

Fearmongering is better

[Bobcuse]

My daughter is a Nurse Practicioner who oversees healthcare for the elderly in nursing homes in NY. She believes that the Florida numbers of Covid-19 cases are significantly lower than New York's (even after excluding NYC) because the more elderly population in Florida is wiser and more responsible than the younger generation who don't practice the mitigation guidelines for whatever reasons. ( 75% of Florida cases are under age 65). Interesting perspective. Everyone has an opinion but the facts are as follows as of April 20:

Florida Population: 21,646,155 Cases: 27,058 Deaths: 823


New York Population: 19,491,339. Cases: 242,786. Deaths: 13,869


Knowing NYC is the big hotspot, I isolated these numbers. Here are the results:


NYC Population: 8,770,000 Cases: 136,806 Deaths: 10,344

Non-NYC Population: 10,721,339. Cases: 105,980 Deaths: 3.525


I didn't remove the Florida hotspots Miami, Ft Lauderdale, etc. but as you can see the Florida cases are significantly lower than NY with or without NYC. Florida's number would be 10 times higher with NY's ratio of cases per population. Now I can see why reopening should be significantly different state by state.

This analysis shows what happens when you take a retired numbers guy and put him in lockdown with two females in Florida for 6 weeks.

[UpNorth]

That headline reads as if the author is hoping for a crisis here. Poor writing or bias?

I'm sure the headline was written first, then the story was developed to ring true to the headline. Perhaps the "author" never stepped foot in The Villages, judging by the stock photos. Actually, the story around here is pretty boring compared to NYC.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by boilermaker7091
Most people I’ve on the courses are driving their own carts. A foursome on a green seldom get to close unless they’re at the hole. This sounds like a disgruntled tennis player who doesn’t realize how close they are when they play. You can fit several tennis courts on a golf green.
Evidently you haven’t been on Tennis court 120 by 120 feet. That would maybe be one or half of one.

Huh? 120 * 120 = 14400 sq ft. Per Wikipedia a singles tennis court is 78 feet by 27 feet. or 2106 sq ft. You were only off by 680% in your sq. ft.

The average golf green for the PGA tour (https://www.pgatour.com/news/2009/04/15/insiderverizon.html) is 6500 sq ft

So you can fit 3 tennis courts [several] onto a standard size green. Google and a paper and pencil next time please.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Terri8352 View Post
68divided by128,000 equals .0037
.0037 rounded is .004...move the decimal for a percent .4% of the population....still a very low amount

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I used to know how to do the calculation but.....if the decimal is moved one to the right, the percentage is .04%. Is that correct?

[coffeebean]

......Those of us who get sick later may have better outcomes because knowledge has grown.

Another treatment (which is not new but has shown to benefit Covid patients in the end stages) is to place the patient in the prone position (face down) for at least 16 hours a day. This is not comfortable but can save lives.This position helps people who are not in the late stages of the disease too. For some reason, the prone position opens up certain parts of the lungs to facilitate breathing easier.

[james robertson]

The developer wants to continue the revenue stream from golf, so he/she has modified the protocols to encourage safe practices, as follow; plastic cylinders in the cups prevent touching of the pins, removal of the rakes from the sand traps prevents multiple touching, solo use of golf carts(other than by household members) is required, use of cash payments is prohibited, waiting for tee times occurs in parking lots, and groups are forbidden from gathering after play. I feel safer on the course yhan when I go to the grocery stores where there is little or no monitoring of their safety protocols.

[Lottoguy]

This was NOT stock footage. The photos were taken on April 14th in the afternoon. The photographer is based out of St. Petersburg FL.

[jarodrig]

Or maybe they saved your life!

Not really. Everyone was practicing social distancing.....

Since then , we’ve found a couple of other places to go have lunch SAFELY , but I won’t tell you where they are .....for all I know , you may be one of the tree huggers I mentioned in that previous post ! LOL 😂

[queasy27]

Have you not noticed the increase in the number of NY tags in the last two weeks.

Haven't been out of the house enough to notice!

Also not clever enough to keep a mental count of the average number of NY plates week to week.