Thinking outside the box - accelerating back to normal

[skarra]

I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.

[Gpsma]

#Reopen Now

[DianeM]

That’s one of the most obnoxious posts yet. Remember karma - what you wish for others, comes back to you double.

[Kenswing]

I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.
You first. Let us know how it works out..

[skarra]

No ... I'm definitely in the 1. camp.

I just want to give the people who think we should get back to normal the chance to think about the option they are in effect choosing.

[asianthree]

No ... I'm definitely in the 1. camp.

I just want to give the people who think we should get back to normal the chance to think about the option they are in effect choosing.

Your medical degree came from where to give such advice on anything?

[claricecolin]

Aside from the OP saying those who want to go back to normal get infected with the virus, the rest is spot on. If we just go back to normal then the amount of infections will go up. There is no way around that without a vaccine or effective treatment. This was done to"flatten the curve" not eliminate the virus. Again not happening until there is a vaccine or treatment.
So this is where we are. There are some states/counties where this might not be a big problem but there is a risk. There are also many places where the surge not happened. Remember the numbers we see now those people were infected 2 weeks ago. I personally would proceed with caution.

I want things to get back to something approaching normal but am willing to wait.

[VApeople]

I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home.

That is not true. Most of us are out enjoying our life.

As we were out and about today, we saw a lot of people playing golf, going for walks, sitting with others and socializing, and waiting in front of Paesano's for their food.

Everyone we saw looked happy and they were keeping their distance from others

[chet2020]

I think we're being whooshed. However, I like the plan. I want everyone except me to line up to be infected on May 1. By May 31, everyone besides me will be either be dead or immune. Then I'll be good to go. Thanks OP.

[Koapaka]

Smh....

[roscoguy]

Here's my idea on making everyone happy...

I like it! It covers those of us who are reluctant to risk infection AND those who either feel that they are immune or that the lives of those who aren't are a small price to pay for 'herd immunity'. It should make basically everybody happy, except maybe those who don't understand irony...

[tsmall22204]

I think you are out of your mind.

[melcirullo@sbcglobal.net]

Maybe You can get on the Presidents new task force with that OBNOXIOUS train of thought, either that quit walking and correcting the world problems!!

[matandch]

Surely you jest.

[CTFORSBERG]

I agree 100%. Wait it out. There isn’t even a test that doesn’t take less than 7 to 10 days for results. So we’re pretty far from the general public deciding what’s best. Sit tight and be safe! God Bless.

[Tsego58]

Does anyone read their own stuff and think wow how did that happen.

[Bstark01]

Nobody mentioned how this idea would overwhelm the hospitals and exhaust medical staff. Perhaps you were being satirical? If so, then those choosing to throw caution to the wind should not be allowed to go to the hospital. They are on their own in their home.

[davem4616]

I believe in "The Theory of Three" as put forth in the book "The Toyota Way"

So, I invite 'skarra' (who made the OP) to purchase a pair of Dr. Scholl's inserts, walk around "gelling" for a couple of days and see if another idea comes up...and take a different route to stimulate your thought process...try walking at different times of the day too

Otherwise it's just this one plan - and we have to take it or leave it! We need an approach that EVERYBODY can get behind

With "The Theory of Three" you have at least one alternative, with which you then begin to modify, taking the best from each approach and create a third solution (and yes you can create as many alternate solutions as you desire)

fingers crossed that he'll follow through

[1948JDG]

It sure sounds like it to me.

[hollywoodz]

I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.
I first I thought this person's message was a spoof on what was going on, but I soon came to realize (s)he was for real. And then I uttered some four-letter words to myself, on top of what we all saw on TV yesterday with the protesters, some with firearms, in East Lansing, Mich.; Richmond, Va.; the president's message; the beaches opening up in Jacksonville today (where is DeSantis?), etc. COVID-19 caused by the coronavirus is silent and invisible, so even though there are those in the U.S. population that think they are invincible, there are two reasons for extreme cause for concern: (1) they are NOT so invincible since the virus strikes at will regardless of age; and (2) their reckless behavior by not social distancing puts the rest of us as responsible citizens/Villagers at risk, again because this deadly enemy can't be seen, felt, smelled or touched. Heaven help us all until we get the testing that is required!

[speedo8357]

You don’t need a medical degree to espouse common sense. How many degrees do the modelers of those doom and gloom projections, foreseeing 2 million + dead, have? Deaths now projected at no more than a common flu season. The numbers don’t add up, so it’s becoming increasing difficult to maintain faith in models and projections, and forestall my civil liberties based on fallacies.

[soniak4@gmail.com]

Exactly which civil rights have you given up? Just answer that one question.

[bjzimmer3517]

I love your satire. Unfortunately, some did not get it.

[hrenner]

So, who will take care of you if our hospitals are overrun (like some states).
Then you'll say "why didn't the government....I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.

[karostay]

Were no way suffering in the bubble my guess is 90% of us are financially stable
Mentally stable not so sure..Were not suffering by any means only experiencing social disconnect from our friends.
I would rather be inconvenience few more weeks..That experience an uptick in the spread of covid cases all we have gained back past few weeks will disappear in an instant

[greenflash245]

you can't put a date on it

[whpoche]

Just look at her profile. University of Sears Roebuck.

[Windguy]

I may be wrong, but I thought I had read that you can get it again.

[Rosebud1949]

The return to "normal" MUST BE SLOW or the virus will strike again. Out and about mid May WITH MASKS, and social distancing..... Normal from 1st June.....still with precautions... Slow but sure.....

[bragones]

The post gave me a chuckle. As for those getting uptight about it, relax. Do you really the idea from the OP could/would ever get adopted.

[Rsenholzi]

Some people don’t understand sarcasm when they see it. Let’s spell it out. Go out and open everyone up to a second round of this terrible disease . They go home and infect their family and friends while they are waiting for the results of the COVID test. Either they die or watch a family member do so because there are entire families being wiped out by this. The alternative is we wait as long as we need to for the numbers to diminish and everyone lives. I choose option 2 as I know people who have lost several family members due to this horrible disease! I hate being couped up alone but I’d rather live and have my family live than go outside into the world. Not really a choice as I see it

[Madelaine Amee]

I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.

I am obviously in the minority here, but I thought your post was hilarious. Great sense of humor Skarra, and your use of sarcasm was right on, but lost on the majority. :icon_wink:

[Shetzy]

I like your thinking! And I choose group 1 with you! I'd like to live and don't wanna take any chances with my life!

[Quixote]

Exactly which civil rights have you given up? Just answer that one question.

Yes, that’s my question too to those obsessed with ‘civil liberties.’ In the wake of COVID-19–dealing with a virus that is unprecedented—please explain in what ways your ‘civil liberties’ have been trammeled on (or worse?)

I know I cannot let my self-will run riot, which I would be doing if I were to reject the best available medical suggestions. People are DYING from this virus; I suspect as they lay dying that their ‘civil liberties’were far from their minds....

[merrymini]

Go back to walking.

[PugMom]

That is not true. Most of us are out enjoying our life.

As we were out and about today, we saw a lot of people playing golf, going for walks, sitting with others and socializing, and waiting in front of Paesano's for their food.

Everyone we saw looked happy and they were keeping their distance from others

i saw you there!! everyone was happy & just enjoyed talking to one another

[PugMom]

I love your satire. Unfortunately, some did not get it.

thats how you can tell who has a sense of humor, lol:coolsmiley:

[applefarm]

I'm in group 2. I agree with all you have said.

[juscause]

I simply don't understand how a single person who read this post did not get that it was written 100% tongue-in-cheek. Come on, people.

[RMarkland]

The proposal is crazy, but don't you think its the way it just might happen.
1. Those who feel they have compromising medical conditions, which gives them a higher death percentage will continue to wear masks, believe in "social distancing", stay home and do what they can to protect themselves.
2. Then there are those who feel they will roll the dice and will wear masks and gloves for the first week, shed the gloves the second week, shed the mask the third week, and then since they believe they are invincible just take their chances.
3.Those who get a negative result on the test think they are in good shape, yeah, good shape to be positive the next time they test.
4. A positive test is good (unless you die) since you may be immune to the virus strain you previously had. However only that strain.
5.Herd immunity is good. Visualize the thousands of wildebeest crossing the river, and the crocodiles going "yumm!" . Herd immunity is good as long as you are not one of the appetizers.
6. Testing is good, however it only indicates your condition at the time of the test, nothing that might happen later that same day if you test negative, and it also appears that some can catch it again, even it tested positive.

Medical science is the real answer, hopefully they will develop a medicine to overcome the virus once you have it. It appears there are several being tested currently. Hospitals are gaining knowledge as to how to treat infected individuals, and if we do not overwhelm the system (flatten the curve) survival is greatly increased. Hopefully a vaccine if forthcoming, however from the news that is many months off from being available.

Article twelve of the Bill of Rights reads... The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

[Marathon Man]

You don’t need a medical degree to espouse common sense. How many degrees do the modelers of those doom and gloom projections, foreseeing 2 million + dead, have? Deaths now projected at no more than a common flu season. The numbers don’t add up, so it’s becoming increasing difficult to maintain faith in models and projections, and forestall my civil liberties based on fallacies.

Maybe that is because the models and predictions led us into taken appropriate steps to prevent what the models predicted.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Whether or not people gain immunity once they get this virus is open for debate. I read an article this morning that said that it's been discovered that some people that have had the virus and got through it have contracted it again.
I don't understand where this idea of once you get it, you are immune comes from. If you get the influenza that comes around every year, you are not immune from getting it again.
The reason that the virus has been so slow to spread in The Villages is that we have been very good at practicing social distancing and following other recommended protocols. I fear that if we followed the advice of the OP, the virus would begin to spread like wildfire.
Opening up everything now would be akin to saying, "The parachute has slowed out decent, so we can close it now."
I know that some people think that this is some kind of conspiracy or overkill by the government. But when you have 50 governors across the country and 210 leaders of countries across the globe doing the same things, it's pretty difficult to make the case that there is some kind of government conspiracy going on here.
It will be a long time, much longer than is being suggested, that everything will open again. And when we do get back to "normal" it will be a much different "normal". I believe that a lot of the protocols in place now will continue on a permanent basis. Stores will limit the number of people allowed inside at a time. People will still be staying six feet apart. Masks will become the norm.
Just as the TSA and confiscating small penknives at the Eiffel Tower have become a normal part of our lives, many of the protocols that we are now following will be normal.

[lwmilo]

Give the guy a break. It's just his opinion, we like rear ends
WE ALL HAVE ONE. lighten up, enjoy life.

[aallbrand]

most people in the villages are smart and post intelligent thoughts most are not idiots remember I said most

[sullinr]

Until the powers to be make it mandatory to wear face protection ( at the very least home made) the individuals that show no symptoms will continue to spread the disease. The research indicates that the onset of the disease rapidly spread because we were told it would not benefit us to wear a mask which was a lie. The government realized that there was no way to supply the public with N95 mask because China was using them up so fast. The results of this problem caused a rapid spread of the disease by individuals showing no symptoms. By now we needed all the mask for our hospitals, too little too late. The good news is that next time everyone will have a supply on hand and at the same time keep social distances.

[graciegirl]

Until the powers to be make it mandatory to wear face protection ( at the very least home made) the individuals that show no symptoms will continue to spread the disease. The research indicates that the onset of the disease rapidly spread because we were told it would not benefit us to wear a mask which was a lie. The government realized that there was no way to supply the public with N95 mask because China was using them up so fast. The results of this problem caused a rapid spread of the disease by individuals showing no symptoms. By now we needed all the mask for our hospitals, too little too late. The good news is that next time everyone will have a supply on hand and at the same time keep social distances.

Anyone can make a mask with the little plastic sewing kit most of us got from a hotel at one time or another with needles and a little thread... and an old shirt or blouse with a piece of old undershirt in between the shirt layers. Anyone can make a rectangle and fold it and hand sew it and use rubber bands for ear holders.

Do we have to make a Federal case out of everything????

[haysus7]

One problem, no one knows if you can be reinfected. It’s a new virus

[pennysue1]

😷😷😷

[Linda Taranto]

I believe this post was intended to be a joke!

[rnhoops1]

I’m with you. Get the ball rolling

[Indydealmaker]

I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.
On the off chance that you are serious, antibodies don't necessarily mean immunity.

[Joanne19335]

You sound more intelligent than most of the people I’ve seen on here in quite a while. Bravo!

[allsport]

You do know there is no certainty that once you get it, you cannot get it again. I think your entire family and close friends should be the first to line up and you let is know how that goes. And if you have some deaths in the family, thoughts and prayers and cost of doing business. And by the way, you do know that herd immunity is actually developed by giving vaccines to people and when a large % of the population has had the vaccine, then you have herd immunity. Herd immunity does not protect the people that have not had the virus, it just makes it less likely for it to occur. If it occurs, they will still get the virus.

[TOMMY D]

Getting older doesn't mean you get smarter and say things that make sense. Found with this virus there are more selfish people who do what they want and not told. Be thankful were not under missile attacks. For sure I'd be armed and fear those here.

[Anne17]

I cannot believe the number of people who cannot tell an ironic commentary from a realistic statement of fact. Where are is your sense of humor.

[DianeM]

I cannot believe the number of people who cannot tell an ironic commentary from a realistic statement of fact. Where are is your sense of humor.

Maybe because it’s not remotely funny

[Mumbles]

I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.

Silly goon!

[E Cascade]

Narcissism at its best! Do you not know nor want to know/realize that there are complications after surviving: irregular heart beats (from tachicardia, afib, cardiac arrest), lung damage, GI tract problems........ If you thought this was a good solution, it was not. Try again, and again, and again, then do some research into good treatment plans and come back and share with others. Nothing wrong with thinking out of the box, but in the new world a'coming, self-centeredness will not be tolerated. Try again.

[Mumbles]

Aside from the OP saying those who want to go back to normal the rest is spot on. If we just go back to normal then the amount of infections will go up. There is no way around that without a vaccine or effective treatment. This was done to"flatten the curve" not eliminate the virus. Again not happening until there is a vaccine or treatment.
So this is where we are. There are some states/counties where this might not be a big problem but there is a risk. There are also many places where the surge not happened. Remember the numbers we see now those people were infected 2 weeks ago. I personally would proceed with caution.

I want things to get back to something approaching normal but am willing to wait.

Statistically, it is better for most people to endure survival than to ABSOLUTELY not know if they will be infected and what the permanent results will be. I opt for living.

[Mumbles]

Anyone can make a mask with the little plastic sewing kit most of us got from a hotel at one time or another with needles and a little thread... and an old shirt or blouse with a piece of old undershirt in between the shirt layers. Anyone can make a rectangle and fold it and hand sew it and use rubber bands for ear holders.

Do we have to make a Federal case out of everything????

We are an absurdly litigious bunch of citizens who prefer others to FIX things for us, on the one hand; OR we are an absurdly defiant bunch of citizens who prefer to do EVERYTHING ourselves with no help or barriers.

[RuthA]

Too stupid to even warrant a response. You must have been smoking pot while you were walking.

[Mumbles]

You don’t need a medical degree to espouse common sense. How many degrees do the modelers of those doom and gloom projections, foreseeing 2 million + dead, have? Deaths now projected at no more than a common flu season. The numbers don’t add up, so it’s becoming increasing difficult to maintain faith in models and projections, and forestall my civil liberties based on fallacies.

since very few of us, I assume, have NO CLUE AT ALL as to the type of college degrees statisticians and mappers have glomed onto-- your point is ABSOLUTELY "moot" See Google response to word meaning: having little or no practical relevance, typically because the subject is too uncertain to allow a decision.
"the whole matter is becoming increasingly moot"

[Aces4]

You don’t need a medical degree to espouse common sense. How many degrees do the modelers of those doom and gloom projections, foreseeing 2 million + dead, have? Deaths now projected at no more than a common flu season. The numbers don’t add up, so it’s becoming increasing difficult to maintain faith in models and projections, and forestall my civil liberties based on fallacies.

This logic is what was forecasted if our nation did isolate as requested and squelch the virus’s spread quickly. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

[Mumbles]

You don’t need a medical degree to espouse common sense. How many degrees do the modelers of those doom and gloom projections, foreseeing 2 million + dead, have? Deaths now projected at no more than a common flu season. The numbers don’t add up, so it’s becoming increasing difficult to maintain faith in models and projections, and forestall my civil liberties based on fallacies.

I feel rather certain that you can find the same statistics of the average number of flu deaths there have been over many decades: 10,000 to 40,000. And those who will pass from this past year's flu will only AUGMENT the total of flu victims.

[Villagelee]

I'm thinking some do not understand satire. Really got a kick out of this...and I am one of the ones not willing to risk socializing at this time. Thanks for the laugh.

[sallybowron]

You forgot to mention that these infected people can pass it on to other, so often oldies, and kill a lot more people. You mention a few percent of the people will die. If you are in that group would it still be alright. I think not!

[Aces4]

I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.

As soon as I read “them people” my eyes glazed over and I thought I’d rather the people who are in charge remain in charge.

[iafriedman]

I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.

Great

[mjpuleo]

No one has a definite answer to this

[EdFNJ]

That’s one of the most obnoxious posts yet. Remember karma - what you wish for others, comes back to you double.

I'm thinking some do not understand satire. Really got a kick out of this...and I am one of the ones not willing to risk socializing at this time. Thanks for the laugh.

The OP's post was quite obviously "tongue in cheek" or satirical or irreverant and not any more "obnoxious" than a lot of the opposite points of view posted here on TOTV yet s/he makes a very good point. Let those who want to run amok and "be free" and "Free the Villages" and be willing to give their lives for the rest of us (there were numerous posts saying they were willing to "live free or die for freedom and the American way and City Fire" in other threads) do so for the next 30 days and after a month the "herd" will sadly have learned a lesson and those remaining will likely be much smarter and probably thinner (in quantity not waistline). That's what they're asking for by just sending everyone "back to normal" just because they are so bored because they can't play pickelball and crowd into their favorite bars and restaurants.

I'm sure the big guy up north would love to hear that except he might lose a lot of his "peeps" before he really needs them by attrition.

Great post OP. I'm still chuckling how everyone unsurprisingly got sucked in by it.

[ithos]

I am surprised of how many Villagers are so self absorbed that they are completely indifferent to the devastation being inflicted on so many who have lost their jobs, life savings and pretty soon maybe even become homeless. Like Tucker said poverty kills people too. If you are so content in the social isolation scheme then keep doing it and you will not be affected by the adverse consequences of opening up the economy.

This is much more than "inconvenient" as Dr Fauci describes it.

We can only print money so long. If we end up in a great depression then the mighty economic engine that so many people take for granted may just collapse. If so then how would we support the massive health system that most retirees have become so addicted to. And with hyperinflation your SS checks will be worth a pittance of what it is today. We will become a third world nation if we wait until the virus is completely wiped out.

Places like Sweden and Austria seem to have navigated a much less severe course successfully so far. There are many areas in the US that are barely affected. Let's get them back to normal as fast as possible. Some plans will not work but we can learn lessons from them without risking a big resurgence of the disease and then apply it to areas with higher rates of infection.

We can not let our futures be determined by a cadre of bureaucrats who think and live in a vacuum.

[DianeM]

The OP's post was quite obviously "tongue in cheek" or satirical or irreverant and not any more "obnoxious" than a lot of the opposite points of view posted here on TOTV yet s/he makes a very good point. Let those who want to run amok and "be free" and "Free the Villages" and be willing to give their lives for the rest of us (there were numerous posts saying they were willing to "live free or die for freedom and the American way and City Fire" in other threads) do so for the next 30 days and after a month the "herd" will sadly have learned a lesson and those remaining will likely be much smarter and probably thinner (in quantity not waistline). That's what they're asking for by just sending everyone "back to normal" just because they are so bored because they can't play pickelball and crowd into their favorite bars and restaurants.

I'm sure the big guy up north would love to hear that except he might lose a lot of his "peeps" before he really needs them by attrition.

The gates will not be thrown open. Regaining our liberties will be a gradual process

. Have two weeks of lower reported deaths or illness
. Phase 1 - similar to what is now. Few stores open but social distancing remains as does limiting groups to 10 or less
. Phase 2 - more stores open including bars (that should make drunks happy) and some restaurants but with large spacing between
. Phase 3 - pretty much all is open again

All phases are in two week increments. If they start spiking in cases or deaths, all bets are off and they go back to lockdown

[mollyb]

Interesting. But.....The villages is a retirement community chuck- full of at risk seniors.

[Bill Torres]

I think you still need to walk some more!🤪

[HelenLCSW]

I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.

The problem with your proposal is that at this point we don’t know whether or not they will be immune or how long the immunity will last. All of the infectious disease specialists have expressed this concern. We are hoping that herd immunity will develop quickly but since this is a new virus we really don’t know. Also healthy people have also died so induced immunity thru exposure may actually kill more people than make them immune. That’s why it takes so long to test vaccines properly.

[janet8651]

i like the plan - put up or shut up.

[RosemarySoso]

Although a bit bizarre, I don’t see it as obnoxious. Antibodies are the answer either from vaccines or naturally. I’m healthy but not willing to put myself out there.

[dwbevan]

Some how many people did not get you choose #1???

[speedo8357]

Exactly which civil rights have you given up? Just answer that one question.

Freedom to practice my religion and also a violation of freedom of assembly clause. To name a few. I understand people’s fear of a disease, but what of their ability to work and provide for their families. $1200 Checks from the government are not going to keep coming.

[graciegirl]

Freedom to practice my religion and also a violation of freedom of assembly clause. To name a few. I understand people’s fear of a disease, but what of their ability to work and provide for their families. $1200 Checks from the government are not going to keep coming.

This is a very complicated problem and even if the country would reopen right now, we still face financial disaster. AND it isn't "fear of a disease" for many of us living in The Villages. The death rate of people over 80 who contract Covid-19 is 14%.

I see your complaint about "Freedom to practice my religion" as not valid and very trumped up. I have heard of only ONE church leader in Florida who insisted on holding church services with the social distancing ADVICE in place. Do you not think that an omnipotent creator would understand compassion for others by social distancing??

[JoMar]

Freedom to practice my religion and also a violation of freedom of assembly clause. To name a few. I understand people’s fear of a disease, but what of their ability to work and provide for their families. $1200 Checks from the government are not going to keep coming.

You still have your freedom to practice your religion and you have the freedome of assembly clause. Where did you observe that was taken from you?

[DianeM]

Freedom to practice my religion and also a violation of freedom of assembly clause. To name a few. I understand people’s fear of a disease, but what of their ability to work and provide for their families. $1200 Checks from the government are not going to keep coming.

No one took away your freedom of religion. You can practice your faith anywhere. You don’t need a building to pray.

No one took away your freedom of assembly. You can gather in small groups but appropriately spaced.

The $1200 is to stimulate the economy so that people in the service sector can remain employed.

[aa1949a]

I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.
You can get the virus more then once, it was on the news today. Back tongue drawing board.

Flash you can get the virus more then once. Was on the news today. Back to the drawing board.

[anothersteve]

I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.

A lot's to be said for posting in the right forum, try it sometime.
And since this is a somewhat serious forum you posted in, I will just say thank God you are not my President. :boxing2:
Steve

[pcacace]

Sorry, but I don’t agree with people getting infected intentionally. compromised people should stay home for a while. Keep the groups down to a small size. I’m playing Pickleball at a secret location so my sanity is still in tack. We haven’t moved into our village home yet since the villages is like a ghost town. Stay well!

[Blackbird45]

Both Conservatives and Liberals have to come to the realization that testing everyone is not a reality.
Either there not enough testing supplies available or labs cannot handle that type of volume.

If the federal government believes we should restart the economy.
At the very least they should make sure every pharmacy in the country has enough protective supplies on their shelves to satisfy the physical and emotional needs of the American people.
This should be as convenient as buying a pack of gum.

You have to remember we’re asking for people to risk their lives.

[Joanne19335]

#reopen now

#absolutelynot

[stan the man]

Stay closed = at least till Christmas

[Jazzman]

And the overwhelming majority are financially secure. Not so for those currently unemployed.

[baramu]

She does jest. Not meant it seriously.

[baramu]

You can’t work if you’re dead.

[Twiganne]

Here is a situation to ponder. To all of those who want to bash people who are not wearing mask first consider this. I have worn a mask twice. I was a nurse for 20 years so yes I respect the danger the healthcare workers are in. The thing is that when I wear the face mask my nose starts running and I am mouth breathing. So if someone does have the virus I am sucking it in sniffing and mouth breathing. Do you think it is fine for me to breath like that sucking up my runny nose from under the mask with my mouth wide open trying to breathe through a piece of cotton. My nose is sucking up more virus through my two most vulnerable modes of entry. I notice people wearing mask but not social distancing. Is that ok for you to walk a foot next to me because the aisles are not wide enough for social distancing. I wait on others to pass by yet they will walk right up to me. What if I am not coughing or sneeze into my elbow and protect you. The virus is spread through coughing and sneezing. I am tired of people shaming people for not wearing masks yet think that it is fine for you to walk right beside me with your cart? Yes I may not be symptomatic and not know it but if I am not providing a mode of transmission such as coughing or sneezing, then I am not going to infect you. As for gloves I see little or no use for them. Gloves are just like your skin especially if you scratch your nose. Also most of the younger population are unlikely to die from the virus. Why not let them go to work and help us develop herd immunity. At risk individuals know who they are and therefore should proceed with caution. It seems to me that people here have no problem with making frequent trips to get groceries. If not why are all of the shelves in the store empty. Since this is an older population why do I see so many at risk individuals crowding into the stores. Somebody must be shopping at the stores more than usual or there would not be empty shelves. What about all of the shoppers who walk right next to me to get down to an aisle instead of waiting. Are these individuals not supposed to respect social distancing? Just because they have a mask does not nullify them from keeping social distancing? It is both not just the mask. I think before we start judging those who do not feel safe wearing a mask consider your responsibility to social distance. I have yet to visit a store where people don’t feel the need to crowd right up to me. Whether they have a mask on or not they are still able to infect me if they sneeze or cough. Where is the bashing and guilt trip for those people? I have been out of this house to a store 4 times since this has started. I go out for essential needs only. How many others can say that?

[Jdavie1955]

I understand there is a lot of frustration at staying at home, and some wonder is it worth it? i.e. is the cure worse than the disease, and is it worth giving up our civil liberties?

Here's my idea on making everyone happy. If I were President I would propose the following starting May 1st -

1. People who are compromised or don't feel they wish to play Russian roulette - stay at home like you have been doing already. They will need to stock up on TP, and keep watching Netflix etc. for the entire month of May.

2. For the others who do not fear the virus because they are young, healthy, or just feel immune to it all - we setup Covid-19 stations and beginning May 1st they line up to get their dose of infection. They need to be infected because by May 31st, they will get a card that says they are now immune and can now do whatever they want from that point on - go to parks, go to restaurants and bars (populated with like minded people), get back to work and even visit beaches - they will have all their freedoms back because they can not spread anything. It will be a small price to pay (1% or 2% deaths), but that is what Darwinism is all about. And if they really are strong, there's nothing to worry about.


Now the "participants" have to get infected beginning May 1st because we need to know for certain by May 31st that they had it and survived with immunity. After that they can either enjoy life, or do useful community service for the rest of the people still stuck at home by doing gardening and home delivery of groceries and restaurant orders. Maybe we pay them people $600 per week until they discover a vaccine for everyone else. The big plus is that the folk in 2. will have contributed to herd immunity and they will forever go down as heroes. (statues in every park?) For people in group 1., they will wait a little longer for the vaccine and with so many of the herd now "neutralized" they will not need to worry so much about making the occasional trip outside.

What do you think? Who's ready to start lining up for their dose of Covid-19 beginning May 1st?

I think this solves all the problems ... that's what all this walking has done to me. Given me time to solve the worlds problems.
I think this is a horrible idea. Not sure where you came up with something like this. Would never do it. I wouldn't gather in groups to protest our government either!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Freedom to practice my religion and also a violation of freedom of assembly clause. To name a few. I understand people’s fear of a disease, but what of their ability to work and provide for their families. $1200 Checks from the government are not going to keep coming.

No one is violating your freedom to practice your religion. You are allowed and even encouraged to pray to and worship whatever deity floats your boat. If you want to light the sabbath candles on Friday at sundown, have at it. No one will try and stop you. If you wish to kneel before a carving of some white guy with long flowing hair hanging by his bloodied hands and feet from a wooden cross, go for it. You won't see the Religion Police at your door.

You just can't do it inside a church, or in close proximity to anyone else.

My parents' synagogue has streaming services, and everyone is welcome to worship - from their homes - following the liturgy and prayers and enjoy the sermon and sing with the cantor and pray the kaddush just like they always do. They're just doing it from the comfort of their own homes instead of in a pew in the chapel.

The right to congregate - yup. At a 6' distance from everyone else, you absolutely may do that in public spaces, in Florida. Go for it, no one will try and stop you.

[DonnaNi4os]

Once again, I beg you to consider the healthcare workers. And I remind everyone that it isn’t just the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions that are succumbing to this disease. It robs you of oxygen and destroys your lungs. It is often described as a lung eater, for that is what it truly is. So please consider your words carefully before you suggest that anyone intentionally exposes themselves to this virus.

[sallybowron]

You still don't have an adequate solution for this one.

[Ray Greene]

We’re so old here in the villages that we wouldn’t be any great loss. So let’s party like the idiots we are.

[wganderson13]

I've going about my days like nothing has happened. Our social club has meetings in the park, bring your own chairs, have dinner with someone everyday, do my electrical side jobs, 3 X's/wk. A BIG nothing burger like hurricane Irma. We're a fat, lazy & stupid people, laughing stock of the world. Our main concern is TP. We need to go hungry to realize how easy we've had it.

[Andyb]

No. 1 has merit, I’m assuming No. 2 is a joke, funny. Just glad your not President. Lol

[mydavid]

Unlike people like us that are retired, and the biggest worry we have we might have to cook are own meals, won't be able to go dancing and packing one of the local drinking establishments' They have the worry about how are they going to put food on their table and a roof over their head, and will they ever get back to work. Do your part Village people, wait a little longer to do all the above and keep everyone safe.

[jklfairwin]

Herd immunity apparently does not work with this virus. I say apparently because, like almost everything about this new virus, it is not known for sure. It is becoming common belief among professionals that you can get it more than once and that the presence of antibodies does not indicate immunity. And there are some scientists who point out that there may not be an effective vaccine for many years based on the fact that some other coronaviruses do not have effective vaccines despite many years of research and effort.

[jklfairwin]

Hopefully, you have signed a waiver to not take up scarce treatment resources when you contract COVID 19.

[Joelack99]

So let’s think about this. Latest estimates show 43% or so of those with the virus have no symptoms, but are contagion spreaders. That’s ok. Of the remaining symptomatic folks (57%), 8 of 10 will have minor to very uncomfortable symptoms, but 20% will have severe enough symptoms to need hospitalization. That’s 20% of 57% or 11.4% of the Infected population. We have about 100,000 in The Villages but half of us won’t get it at all, so you only need to get 5,700 hospital rooms ready for that month or so when those people’s lives will depend on it. If you get that right, conservatively, 500 people will die and if you can’t handle that little rush most of the ones you don’t have rooms, med staff, ventilators and/or dialysis machines for will die, so instead of 500, we will probably lose more like 2,000 of our neighbors. By the way, these figures are based on estimates for the entire population, not a population of seniors like we have around here. So maybe 3-4,000 die...what’s a few more or less?

Now, as all this happens, the geniuses in charge are going to figure out this was a rather bad idea, so what will you get? More freedom, do you think? Or will we start all over with isolation which is what we are trying to escape? Don’t focus too much on these numbers, they are just guesstimates... if I’m off by 75% all the same sorts of things will happen and we’ll still be right back where we started.

So don’t listen to the selfish people who want to throw open the doors in the middle of the storm. Hunker down. Plan for another month or two til the worst of this is past, then be careful, gradual, safe as you move back into the world.

Also, pray for an effective therapy...there very well may well be one or more soon, which will change these numbers dramatically and allow us to get moving again.

Stay safe, friends.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So let’s think about this. Latest estimates show 43% or so of those with the virus have no symptoms, but are contagion spreaders. That’s ok. Of the remaining symptomatic folks (57%), 8 of 10 will have minor to very uncomfortable symptoms, but 20% will have severe enough symptoms to need hospitalization. That’s 20% of 57% or 11.4% of the Infected population. We have about 100,000 in The Villages but half of us won’t get it at all, so you only need to get 5,700 hospital rooms ready for that month or so when those people’s lives will depend on it. If you get that right, conservatively, 500 people will die and if you can’t handle that little rush most of the ones you don’t have rooms, med staff, ventilators and/or dialysis machines for will die, so instead of 500, we will probably lose more like 2,000 of our neighbors. By the way, these figures are based on estimates for the entire population, not a population of seniors like we have around here. So maybe 3-4,000 die...what’s a few more or less?

Now, as all this happens, the geniuses in charge are going to figure out this was a rather bad idea, so what will you get? More freedom, do you think? Or will we start all over with isolation which is what we are trying to escape? Don’t focus too much on these numbers, they are just guesstimates... if I’m off by 75% all the same sorts of things will happen and we’ll still be right back where we started.

So don’t listen to the selfish people who want to throw open the doors in the middle of the storm. Hunker down. Plan for another month or two til the worst of this is past, then be careful, gradual, safe as you move back into the world.

Also, pray for an effective therapy...there very well may well be one or more soon, which will change these numbers dramatically and allow us to get moving again.

Stay safe, friends.

And for those who pretend to be worried about all the people who are unemployed in some threads (while complaining about not being able to enjoy drinks at the squares in other threads) - feel free to give your stimulus checks to some of the unemployed folks. What's that, you say? You make too much money - as a retired person - to qualify for a stimulus check? Then - give some of your own money to some of the unemployed folks.

Or buy them groceries. Or go to the utility company and give them money to cover utility bills for 5 poverty-level households for the next two months. So many things you can do, if you truly want to help the unemployed. Forcing them to risk death just so you can eat at Demshar's is not one of those things.

[Nancy@Pinellas]

I’d rather be safe than sorry. There is a glitch in your plan. South Korea is reporting that some who have recovered from COVID19 are getting infected a second time. That would mean one could “line up”.... get the virus and not be immune. It won’t work.

[graciegirl]

And for those who pretend to be worried about all the people who are unemployed in some threads (while complaining about not being able to enjoy drinks at the squares in other threads) - feel free to give your stimulus checks to some of the unemployed folks. What's that, you say? You make too much money - as a retired person - to qualify for a stimulus check? Then - give some of your own money to some of the unemployed folks.

Or buy them groceries. Or go to the utility company and give them money to cover utility bills for 5 poverty-level households for the next two months. So many things you can do, if you truly want to help the unemployed. Forcing them to risk death just so you can eat at Demshar's is not one of those things.

It is very easy to start saying mean things to people who are completely innocent of wrong doing. Or pretty innocent of wrong doing.

It makes me grit my teeth when folks TELL me how to be kind. OR somehow suspect that because I am not poor, I never was.

Some of the smartest people do that. It is never a good thing or a fair thing to group anyone together and think they are all the same.

As we age, most of us moderate. See new ways to look at things. See more positives.

I hope. But as an old bird who has seen a lot of poverty in her early days. I give this advice;

Keep saving your money. It is going to get worse before it gets better. I have been poor and I didn't like it.

[DonnaNi4os]

Right now, here in our area, the ages of those infected have been between 20 and 54. Maybe that is because us “old folk” have the common sense to stay home. Just a thought.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Right now, here in our area, the ages of those infected have been between 20 and 54. Maybe that is because us “old folk” have the common sense to stay home. Just a thought.

I don't know what area you're in, but the area where the Villages is, is Sumter County, Lake County, and Marion County.

Sumter data: age range: 18-92. Median age: 67
Lake data: age range: 1 (yes, you read that right. 1. as in, a baby not yet 2) -86 . Median age: 53 (because that 1-year-old created the low median)
Marion data: 2 (yes, it's correct) to 88. Median: 51 (because lowest was 2)

[THUNDERCHIEF]

Some people just like to whine. Staying at home is much more enjoyable than having the virus or being dead

[THUNDERCHIEF]

Amen brother

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Some people just like to whine. Staying at home is much more enjoyable than having the virus or being dead

:bigbow:

[coffeebean]

Once again, I beg you to consider the healthcare workers. And I remind everyone that it isn’t just the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions that are succumbing to this disease. It robs you of oxygen and destroys your lungs. It is often described as a lung eater, for that is what it truly is. So please consider your words carefully before you suggest that anyone intentionally exposes themselves to this virus.

It has been said several times already in this thread.....the original post was tongue and cheek, satire, a joke. Some folks just don't get the humor.

[EdFNJ]

The gates will not be thrown open. Regaining our liberties will be a gradual process

. Have two weeks of lower reported deaths or illness
. Phase 1 - similar to what is now. Few stores open but social distancing remains as does limiting groups to 10 or less
. Phase 2 - more stores open including bars (that should make drunks happy) and some restaurants but with large spacing between
. Phase 3 - pretty much all is open again

All phases are in two week increments. If they start spiking in cases or deaths, all bets are off and they go back to lockdown


The "phases" are great on paper (because already some states are ignoring them). Did you see City Fire and the other restaurants just before (like the day before) the lockdown was imposed but while "limited seating" and "social distancing" was in affect for weeks? You don't really believe it will be followed any more now after our beloved gov eventually reopens them.... do you?

[Koapaka]

You can not fix stupid....just what we need to celebrate....HUGE crowds!

De Blasio: NYC will have ticker-tape parade for coronavirus heroes (https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/de-blasio-nyc-will-have-ticker-tape-parade-for-coronavirus-heroes/)

[EdFNJ]

Right now, here in our area, the ages of those infected have been between 20 and 54. Maybe that is because us “old folk” have the common sense to stay home. Just a thought.


If "your area" is here in The Villages this shows you how wrong you are:


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AND THIS:






https://i.ibb.co/HTKn3by/2.jpg (https://ibb.co/s9gyzN4)

[coffeebean]

Right now, here in our area, the ages of those infected have been between 20 and 54. Maybe that is because us “old folk” have the common sense to stay home. Just a thought.

I also think us old folks are more concerned for our health; in other words....scared.

[coffeebean]

I know this if off topic but......I just noticed I'm a "Soaring Eagle Member" on this forum. My post count is just over 2000 so the 2000 mark is when I made the next level. I have really enjoyed reading and contributing to this forum. Thanks to everyone for the great read!

[shelley77]

How about thinking about the option that is being chosen for us. 22 million unemployed. A new great depression. The destruction wrought by that will last many years and it's just an experiment. It's never been done before.