Why isn't everyone wearing a mask?

[sdeikenberry]

Wearing any type of mask when outside or inside and around people is as much for the protection of others as much as for the person wearing it. Unless people wear a mask that filters out 0.125 micron size particles, it won't completely protect anyone from inhaling or exhaling COVID19. However, any mask certainly helps diminish the spread. So my question to all of you who choose to not wear a mask when around others is why? I do not mean this to be sarcastic, I'm looking for honest information.

[dewilson58]

So my question to all of you who choose to not wear a mask when around others is why?




Guidelines just changed and people don't have masks.

[zonerboy]

Maybe because you cannot find such masks in any local store. Tired of chasing around looking for toilet paper, hand sanitizer, sanitizing wipes, gloves, masks,etc. You can order online at inflated prices, but delivery dates are delayed or uncertain.

[Nucky]

4 plus weeks ago I took a chance and ordered 4 N95 masks from Amazon. I was already set but I ordered them in case I could help a neighbor. Yesterday my wife went and got the mail and their was a USPS envelope with one flimsy white with a blue outline mask in the envelope. What a joke. The charge was just $39.95.

No Good Deed Goes Unpunished!! Now to get the money back they want me to pay the postage to the company that shipped it which meant I would have to enter the Post Office which ain't happening. I guess I'll be on hold with Amazon today. What a shame.

Update: no telephone contact with Amazon until this situation is over. I have patience. I can wait.

[karostay]

This going to fall in the dog poop category

[retiredguy123]

I'm skeptical, but am I the only one who finds it very strange that simple things like masks, toilet paper, hand sanitizers, and thermometers are not readily available everywhere? What's the deal?

[billethkid]

If you have a tee shirt or a scarf you have a mask!!

[GoodLife]

A few weeks ago I posted a thread titled "we've been had" about masks/no masks which was deleted.

Not sure why but it's kind of funny viewing current events.

[retiredguy123]

4 plus weeks ago I took a chance and ordered 4 N95 masks from Amazon. I was already set but I ordered them in case I could help a neighbor. Yesterday my wife went and got the mail and their was a USPS envelope with one flimsy white with a blue outline mask in the envelope. What a joke. The charge was just $39.95.

No Good Deed Goes Unpunished!! Now to get the money back they want me to pay the postage to the company that shipped it which meant I would have to enter the Post Office which ain't happening. I guess I'll be on hold with Amazon today. What a shame.

Update: no telephone contact with Amazon until this situation is over. I have patience. I can wait.
Whenever I have ordered anything from Amazon, I can log on, click "my orders" and then click "return item". Then, I can print out a shipping label. Sometimes, I even get a credit on my account before I even return the item. I didn't know that you can't do that with all Amazon orders. Also, if you paid with a credit card, you can dispute the charge with your bank, since you didn't get what you ordered.

[600th Photo Sq]

4 plus weeks ago I took a chance and ordered 4 N95 masks from Amazon. I was already set but I ordered them in case I could help a neighbor. Yesterday my wife went and got the mail and their was a USPS envelope with one flimsy white with a blue outline mask in the envelope. What a joke. The charge was just $39.95.

No Good Deed Goes Unpunished!! Now to get the money back they want me to pay the postage to the company that shipped it which meant I would have to enter the Post Office which ain't happening. I guess I'll be on hold with Amazon today. What a shame.

Update: no telephone contact with Amazon until this situation is over. I have patience. I can wait.

Lesson to be learned. Amazon always has a bracket eligible for Prime Y/or Blank which means no.

Always read the small print . :ohdear:

[WhiteToast]

Please wear a mask. It's an easy measure to protect against a deadly problem. If we all wear masks we can eradicate the threat almost entirely - all must Americans need to participate and we can go back to a slightly modified normal. Masks are the key to getting out of this thing. A long sleeve T-shirt can be a mask. Please realize the seriousness of this and respect your family/neighbors. I love you; and all of humanity enough to wear a mask outside my home.

[golfing eagles]

Please wear a mask. It's an easy measure to protect against a deadly problem. If we all wear masks we can eradicate the threat almost entirely - all must Americans need to participate and we can go back to a slightly modified normal. Masks are the key to getting out of this thing. A long sleeve T-shirt can be a mask. Please realize the seriousness of this and respect your family/neighbors. I love you; and all of humanity enough to wear a mask outside my home.

That's nice. But you don't need to wear a mask all the time. Just when you can't reasonably guarantee 6 foot separation. So, grocery stores, post office, inside gas station, yes. Walking alone outside or riding in your cart or a bicycle, no. I saw a guy inside his car with the windows up driving alone with a mask---give me a break.

[bumpygreens]

N95 masks will protect you from infection...95% of the time, if used properly. Almost all other types of masks do more to protect others from you. They will reduce the spread of the droplets released when you cough, sneeze or speak. A SARS virus is 50 nanometers. A nanometer is a thousand times smaller than a micron.

[villagetinker]

OP, finally got some masks today, prior to this I would carry a handkerchief and hold it over my face when in public places.

[ColdNoMore]

Wearing any type of mask when outside or inside and around people is as much for the protection of others as much as for the person wearing it. Unless people wear a mask that filters out 0.125 micron size particles, it won't completely protect anyone from inhaling or exhaling COVID19. However, any mask certainly helps diminish the spread. So my question to all of you who choose to not wear a mask when around others is why? I do not mean this to be sarcastic, I'm looking for honest information.

An excellent question, with an answer that is all too obvious...they're selfish, ignorant and don't care about others.


To those types of people I say; "Your right for personal freedom and choice ENDS... when it becomes a danger to me or my loved ones." :mad:


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[Schaumburger]

I'm skeptical, but am I the only one who finds it very strange that simple things like masks, toilet paper, hand sanitizers, and thermometers are not readily available everywhere? What's the deal?

I can only speak for suburban Chicago. TP and hand sanitizer are now much more widely available, although quantities are limited per customer to avoid hoarding. Yesterday I was able to purchase both one pack of TP and one bottle of hand sanitizer at my local Target store. Thermometers were available on Amazon a couple of weeks ago. Masks...many people are selling cloth masks on etsy.com. I have purchased several cloth masks on Etsy.

For hand sanitizer online, try Luxurious Skincare Products - Vitabath Bath and Body (http://www.myvitabath.com) 16 ounce bottle for $8.95. I ordered 2 bottles yesterday. Orders are being processed in the order they are received.

[Velvet]

Guidelines just changed and people don't have masks.

How can they not have masks when any covering will work? They don’t have t shirt, no pillow cases, no scarves, no towels... I think what they don’t have is the will to be considerate to others. So the old guy dies who the f... cares?

[JoMar]

Then there is the other side, have seen couples in their cars, windows up and wearing masks.

[Velvet]

Then there is the other side, have seen couples in their cars, windows up and wearing masks.

I do that sometimes wear a mask with windows up, because I plan to go out of the car in the near future and be among people so I won’t forget the mask . And the windows are up to keep in the air conditioning.

[Tennisbum]

The CDC recommends use of non-medical, cloth-based face coverings in some public settings. Medical masks should be reserved for healthcare workers. A cut and paste from the CDC. Be the outlaw you always wanted to be!

[Velvet]

Be the outlaw you always wanted to be!

Yep, and in some areas north people are starting to walk around with stones in their pockets... they’re afraid for their lives. Everyone knows how to play hardball.

[johnadamsUSMC]

Today I saw a couple and both had masks BUT the cat and the dog they had in the grocery store were not wearing any. Does that make sense? Can't those pets carry the virus? Don't know, just asking. Personally I'm not real fond of cats, dogs, or whatever in the grocery store. Leader dogs yes. Companion dogs, no.
Just my opinion though so don't throw rocks

[Velvet]

Today I saw a couple and both had masks BUT the cat and the dog they had in the grocery store were not wearing any. Does that make sense? Can't those pets carry the virus? Don't know, just asking. Personally I'm not real fond of cats, dogs, or whatever in the grocery store. Leader dogs yes. Companion dogs, no.
Just my opinion though so don't throw rocks

Cats and dogs, as far as we know so far, can’t transmit to people but can get the virus from people themselves.

[dewilson58]

How can they not have masks when any covering will work? They don’t have t shirt, no pillow cases, no scarves, no towels... I think what they don’t have is the will to be considerate to others. So the old guy dies who the f... cares?


If social distancing, no mask is needed.


CDC recommendation: In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission.


So not everyone needs one.

[ColdNoMore]

Today I saw a couple and both had masks BUT the cat and the dog they had in the grocery store were not wearing any. Does that make sense? Can't those pets carry the virus? Don't know, just asking. Personally I'm not real fond of cats, dogs, or whatever in the grocery store. Leader dogs yes. Companion dogs, no.
Just my opinion though so don't throw rocks
This whole "comfort animal" think in public...has gotten WAAAAY out of hand.

Seeing-eye dogs in grocery/other stores?

Absolutely and of course...no problem.

TRAINED dogs to detect strokes/heart attacks/etc?

Again...no problem.

Bringing Fifi into public places, because she makes you happy...and calms you down?

NFW!

Either leave the animal at home...or find a new way to shop.

You know who you are. :mad:

[kstew43]

as I wear glasses, I cannot wear a mask. My glasses steam up and I can't see. This has been happening since I was a child at Halloween....

I do however wear gloves.

[billethkid]

as I wear glasses, I cannot wear a mask. My glasses steam up and I can't see. This has been happening since I was a child at Halloween....

I do however wear gloves.

That means the mask is not tight enough to the face and your breath is coming out at the top of the mask (and that breathing in brings in outside air!!).

If you bring the mask/material far enough up under your eyes to adequately cover the nose area this usually provides more of a seal and stops the breath coming out the top.

Yes the bottom of your glasses will be over the mask.
Works for me.

[Velvet]

If social distancing, no mask is needed.


CDC recommendation: In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission.


So not everyone needs one.

IF social distancing, totally agree.

[Velvet]

as I wear glasses, I cannot wear a mask. My glasses steam up and I can't see. This has been happening since I was a child at Halloween....

I do however wear gloves.

Same happens to me so I clean my sunglasses with a cloth when I’m further from people. The other thing is to seal the mask with bandaid or skin tape near the nose.

[LuvtheVillages]

as I wear glasses, I cannot wear a mask. My glasses steam up and I can't see. This has been happening since I was a child at Halloween....

I do however wear gloves.

I have not tried this, but I read that if you clean your glasses with shaving foam, they won't fog up.

[Velvet]

I have not tried this, but I read that if you clean your glasses with shaving foam, they won't fog up.

True, I haven’t thought of that but we do have cleaners for mirrors that are anti-fog too.

[villagetinker]

as I wear glasses, I cannot wear a mask. My glasses steam up and I can't see. This has been happening since I was a child at Halloween....

I do however wear gloves.

I wear glasses also, I was in a medical facility recently, they gave me a PAPER mask with a wire to form around the nose area, no matter how I formed this there was leakage and some steaming of the glasses, however, with the homemade CLOTH masks this is not a problem, no steaming at all. There is a Villager selling these for $3 each, bought 4 and both my wife and I are very pleased with these. Found her on the classified ads.:coolsmiley:

[mtdjed]

Why no wearing a mask. Can't buy them anywhere. Yes I can and so wear a cloth mask but the value is being questioned. Better than nothing but some concern about 2 -3 % effective. Doubt if it is a well studied analysis.

Betsy McCaughey: Homemade Masks Only 2 Percent Effective | Newsmax.com (https://www.newsmax.com/us/betsymccaughey-masks-n95-ppe/2020/04/19/id/963594/?ns_mail_uid=c16d443e-5243-49f8-876a-e2ee7753fc35&ns_mail_job=DM105455_04192020&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0101028po09i)

[billethkid]

I suspect the main reason for promoting the "almost any material will do" masks is to keep the stampede away from the surgical/hospital type.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why no wearing a mask. Can't buy them anywhere. Yes I can and so wear a cloth mask but the value is being questioned. Better than nothing but some concern about 2 -3 % effective. Doubt if it is a well studied analysis.

Betsy McCaughey: Homemade Masks Only 2 Percent Effective | Newsmax.com (https://www.newsmax.com/us/betsymccaughey-masks-n95-ppe/2020/04/19/id/963594/?ns_mail_uid=c16d443e-5243-49f8-876a-e2ee7753fc35&ns_mail_job=DM105455_04192020&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0101028po09i)

Betsy McCaughey is not a reliable source of information. She's been caught by fact-checkers making up utter fiction about anything she disagrees with, on numerous occasions since she was kicked out of the Democratic party and switched to the Liberal Party, and then to the RNC.

Newsmax is also not a reliable source of information, since it is decisively anti-vaxx, anti-science, and pro-corporate-profit ultra conservative.

Homemade masks can help prevent YOUR germs from spreading to OTHER people. That is why you would wear them, even if you believe yourself to be healthy. Since there are people who test positive for COVID-19, but have no symptoms, it is safer for the public if everyone wears a mask, so as to reduce the risk of having the virus and spreading it among the populace.

They also can help reduce your instances of touching your face, being a physical barrier between hand and face.

They might also help reduce the risk of catching germs from other people, but only marginally.

[Altavia]

At some point I'd hope It would be possible for the stores to bulk order non-medical disposable masks to dispense to those who come without.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

At some point I'd hope It would be possible for the stores to bulk order non-medical disposable masks to dispense to those who come without.

That'd be awesome. They're on short supply right now though. Even employees typically only get one per day - if they touched the mask to scratch an itch under it - or had to take it off to eat on their break - they have to re-use it.

[jet10s]

Wearing any type of mask when outside or inside and around people is as much for the protection of others as much as for the person wearing it. Unless people wear a mask that filters out 0.125 micron size particles, it won't completely protect anyone from inhaling or exhaling COVID19. However, any mask certainly helps diminish the spread. So my question to all of you who choose to not wear a mask when around others is why? I do not mean this to be sarcastic, I'm looking for honest information.
you don't know what you are talking about -- we are not mandated to wear masks -- I will continue to keep my 6 foot perimeter and I won't put useless cotton on my face == hello = I worked in an OR for 30 years and I laugh everyday when I see these idiots wearing masks riding their bikes, in their golfcarts, even alone in the cars -- do you people really think that there is viral cloud with droplets of the virus ready to attack you -- ridiculous

[Nucky]

Whenever I have ordered anything from Amazon, I can log on, click "my orders" and then click "return item". Then, I can print out a shipping label. Sometimes, I even get a credit on my account before I even return the item. I didn't know that you can't do that with all Amazon orders. Also, if you paid with a credit card, you can dispute the charge with your bank, since you didn't get what you ordered.

Well I wish it was that way as I am accustomed to exactly what you typed. In this case the label that you print out has the return address and I get to pay the postage and they claim that the contents have been switched as I found out after I got Jacked Up. Trust me it's a total set up.

This is what Amazon classifies as a third party seller. B.S. I do business and pay my bill to Amazon and they will return the chump change #39.95 if its the last thing I do!

I have come to find out that this is a common practice with this company. They have hammered plenty of others before me. The picture and description of the item is perfect for N95 masks. Not a piece of paper with two elastic bands on them.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Well I wish it was that way as I am accustomed to exactly what you typed. In this case the label that you print out has the return address and I get to pay the postage and they claim that the contents have been switched as I found out after I got Jacked Up. Trust me it's a total set up.

This is what Amazon classifies as a third party seller. B.S. I do business and pay my bill to Amazon and they will return the chump change #39.95 if its the last thing I do!

I have come to find out that this is a common practice with this company. They have hammered plenty of others before me. The picture and description of the item is perfect for N95 masks. Not a piece of paper with two elastic bands on them.

Their return policies are pretty clear. If it isn't sold by AND shipped by Amazon, then it's considered a 3rd party sale and returns are at the discretion of the seller, not Amazon. If the seller doesn't accept returns, then there's no returns.

Amazon, in this case, is the middle-man. They take your money on behalf of the seller. They collect a fee from the sale because it was sold through their company, but they aren't the ones selling the product.

Just like buying a third-party product from walmart.com. If they aren't the actual seller, they're not responsible for refunding you if it's not a good sale. The seller is responsible for it - and only if they offer refunds and returns in their policy.

[patfla06]

I have become disenchanted with Amazon lately.
Most disposable masks are from China.
They have had a lot of price gouging.

I ended up ordering some washable masks from
Etsy. They a large amount of people making masks.

Have been home for a month. Have Instacart/Publix delivering groceries which has worked out well.

[Bowtorc]

you don't know what you are talking about -- we are not mandated to wear masks -- I will continue to keep my 6 foot perimeter and I won't put useless cotton on my face == hello = I worked in an OR for 30 years and I laugh everyday when I see these idiots wearing masks riding their bikes, in their golfcarts, even alone in the cars -- do you people really think that there is viral cloud with droplets of the virus ready to attack you -- ridiculous

A little harsh for a remark!!!

[arlenandsusan]

I don't wear a mask at all. No, it's not because I disregard others. It's because I fail to see the real need. The virus is spread by touching contaminated surfaces and then your eyes, mouth or nose. I am careful about that. Or it is spread by coughing on someone or very close, in your face contact. I believe that distancing beyond that is plenty. The whole mask thing seems like overkill to me. I realize that there are people who feel safer that way or more responsible, but I think it is their personal choice more than of any real need. I especially think people wearing masks in their cars or outside walking is totally unnecessary. To me it is my own common sense choice. I believe that realistic information is the best guideline. I realize there are lots of different opinions out there, but this is mine.

[Maryland04]

you have a door shut it and stay home

[Blackbird45]

My wife became depended on the use of a wheel chair 3 years ago.
I immediately went on a buying spree to buy anything that I figured would make life easier.
One of my purchases was the Cadillac of bidets. You can control heat of the seat & the water, also the water pressure with a pulsating mode, where you want it to concentrate the spray, it even has a dryer (it does everything short of singing you a lullaby).
In the 3 years I never really tried it.
Since the virus, what I discovered:
1. I’ve been missing out on a comfortable experience.
2. It does do a better job.
3. I’ve cut back on my use of toilet paper by 80%, if not more.
What I realized is if I had been using it instead of only using toilet paper all this time, it probably would have paid for itself.
I know there a number of these unit on the market at all different price ranges.
What I suggest if you have time on your hands, look into this alternative.
Only purchase what you believe will meet your needs.

At my last visit to my doctor’s office they supplied me a few masks to hold me until my order arrives.

[golfing eagles]

you have a door shut it and stay home

And then in 6 weeks poke your head out of your burrow and check if you see your shadow......

[dewilson58]

I don't wear a mask at all. No, it's not because I disregard others. It's because I fail to see the real need. The virus is spread by touching contaminated surfaces and then your eyes, mouth or nose. I am careful about that. Or it is spread by coughing on someone or very close, in your face contact. I believe that distancing beyond that is plenty. The whole mask thing seems like overkill to me. I realize that there are people who feel safer that way or more responsible, but I think it is their personal choice more than of any real need. I especially think people wearing masks in their cars or outside walking is totally unnecessary. To me it is my own common sense choice. I believe that realistic information is the best guideline. I realize there are lots of different opinions out there, but this is mine.


Others have made a decision to be extremely cautious, do everything to minimize the spread, help out healthcare network and help others. Unfortunately, you have not. Hope you are not a Villager. Nice first post under this name.

[davem4616]

my wife and I wear a neckerchief covering our nose/mouth when we are going to be inside/within 6 feet of others (drug store, Publix)
….other than that we're still waiting for a shipment of 10 masks to arrive from Amazon

[Nucky]

Their return policies are pretty clear. If it isn't sold by AND shipped by Amazon, then it's considered a 3rd party sale and returns are at the discretion of the seller, not Amazon. If the seller doesn't accept returns, then there's no returns.

Amazon, in this case, is the middle-man. They take your money on behalf of the seller. They collect a fee from the sale because it was sold through their company, but they aren't the ones selling the product.

Just like buying a third-party product from walmart.com. If they aren't the actual seller, they're not responsible for refunding you if it's not a good sale. The seller is responsible for it - and only if they offer refunds and returns in their policy.

If the picture and description of the item you were purchasing was a Bowling Ball and you were supposed to get 4 Bowling Balls and you happily opened your envelope and found they shipped you one 8 1/2 X 11 piece of paper do you think that that may change your outlook? Deception at it's best and I will not stand for it.

In the past we have had several items that were previously owned and certainly not packaged properly or without the owners manual or scratched and they were all third party sellers. Amazon stood behind each one of those purchase and refunded the money immediately. They also supplied a prepaid U.P.S. return sheet that I print and put a Barcode inside the box and the Mailing Label on the box and drop it off and before I get home the refund is done.

[retiredguy123]

Well I wish it was that way as I am accustomed to exactly what you typed. In this case the label that you print out has the return address and I get to pay the postage and they claim that the contents have been switched as I found out after I got Jacked Up. Trust me it's a total set up.

This is what Amazon classifies as a third party seller. B.S. I do business and pay my bill to Amazon and they will return the chump change #39.95 if its the last thing I do!

I have come to find out that this is a common practice with this company. They have hammered plenty of others before me. The picture and description of the item is perfect for N95 masks. Not a piece of paper with two elastic bands on them.
I have made Amazon purchases from third party sellers, but Amazon has always accepted the credit card on my Amazon account for payment. I have not returned any third party purchases, but, if I did not receive what I ordered, I would dispute the credit card charge with my bank (within 60 days). You should not even need to return the item. I cannot find anything on the Amazon website that would alter the Federal credit card protection rules, even for third party seller purchases. Good luck.

[La lamy]

That's nice. But you don't need to wear a mask all the time. Just when you can't reasonably guarantee 6 foot separation. So, grocery stores, post office, inside gas station, yes. Walking alone outside or riding in your cart or a bicycle, no. I saw a guy inside his car with the windows up driving alone with a mask---give me a break.

I originally felt that way when I saw someone with a mask inside their car, but then I figured I didn't know the whole story. He may have just picked up his car from the garage and didn't fully trust the disinfection process?...

[golfing eagles]

I originally felt that way when I saw someone with a mask inside their car, but then I figured I didn't know the whole story. He may have just picked up his car from the garage and didn't fully trust the disinfection process?...

True, but unless it's an N-95 mask, he is not protecting himself much at all

[NotGolfer]

I know of several people who are making masks. The Gilded Matilda in Wildwood (you have to call though as they're closed) is selling them. Google for the phone #. Last evening I googled face masks and came up with several sites where they may be purchased. As for the OP who used Amazon...I always check out the seller on sites as well as comments of other purchasers. IF the "addresse/name" seems funky in some way---I'd never order. I did see some that interested me and once I clicked on---delivery was until late May and some in late June. Now why would one try to order those when we need them now?? There are tutorials on Youtube where you can even make some that aren't sewed. Saw a fun one on Facebook just cutting a sock.

On another note...we recently ordered an item from Amazon with tracking. Got the notification that our item had been delivered. It never was and it didn't show up from a neighbor being mis-delivered. So we contacted the seller (3rd party) to tell them we'd not gotten our item. We were refunded our money! NOT sure if it was related or not (maybe was, maybe wasn't) but my CC was compromised around this time. Contacted the CC company and got a new card. So be careful when, even ordering from Amazon. I do a lot of online shopping but this was a first.

[Travelhunter]

That's nice. But you don't need to wear a mask all the time. Just when you can't reasonably guarantee 6 foot separation. So, grocery stores, post office, inside gas station, yes. Walking alone outside or riding in your cart or a bicycle, no. I saw a guy inside his car with the windows up driving alone with a mask---give me a break.

Where a mask outside
Others may not be respectful of social distancing and will come to close for comfort

[Nucky]

I have made Amazon purchases from third party sellers, but Amazon has always accepted the credit card on my Amazon account for payment. I have not returned any third party purchases, but, if I did not receive what I ordered, I would dispute the credit card charge with my bank (within 60 days). You should not even need to return the item. I cannot find anything on the Amazon website that would alter the Federal credit card protection rules, even for third party seller purchases. Good luck.

EXACTLY! Our orders are charged directly to the Amazon Credit Card attached to our account. I'm not shipping this back, not a chance. I'll get the credit thru the Credit Card Company. In the end I will prevail. Amazon should be ashamed of themselves. They have slipped in resent years. I prefer to use local merchants but under the circumstances and because of the item I ordered they were the best option. And all to do a favor. Go figure.

[kendi]

Wearing any type of mask when outside or inside and around people is as much for the protection of others as much as for the person wearing it. Unless people wear a mask that filters out 0.125 micron size particles, it won't completely protect anyone from inhaling or exhaling COVID19. However, any mask certainly helps diminish the spread. So my question to all of you who choose to not wear a mask when around others is why? I do not mean this to be sarcastic, I'm looking for honest information.

Mask will not protect the person wearing it since the virus will enter the eyes as well. You would need to add goggles or some other type of eye protection.

[Daxdog]

If you have an opened N 95 mask you should be ashamed, you should take to your, or the nearest Doctor and donate it!

[golfing eagles]

Where a mask outside
Others may not be respectful of social distancing and will come to close for comfort

And you're not capable of staying 6 feet away, OUTSIDE?????? Wearing a mask in your cart????Wearing a mask when driving alone in your car???? Get real people. This is serious, but not the end of the world.

142,735 people have died from this worldwide since the first case Nov 17. 153,400 people die worldwide EVERY DAY from other causes, or 23,777,000 since Nov 17.
Again, NOT THE END OF THE WORLD

PS that's wear, not where

[Fisherman]

Exact same thing happened to me. The mask was smashed and when I put the manufacturers numbers in to the Internet, it was nothing more than a contractors dusk mask although advertised on Amazon as a true N95 that protected against viruses and influenza. Amazon not taking phone calls. Will keep, better than nothing, but sure makes buyers be ware.

[Singerlady]

Google how to make a mask without sewing. Many easy ideas. No excuse NOT to have a mask!

[Nucky]

If you have an opened N 95 mask you should be ashamed, you should take to your, or the nearest Doctor and donate it!

How about if you give the N95's to someone who has no computer and may feel better having one?

Who are you to judge anybody?

[kbogli]

My husband and I also wear glasses, I read an article about this and it said put a kleenex/tissue under the mask over the bridge of your nose that will collect the moisture. Guess what it worked!

[jedalton]

Whenever I have ordered anything from Amazon, I can log on, click "my orders" and then click "return item". Then, I can print out a shipping label. Sometimes, I even get a credit on my account before I even return the item. I didn't know that you can't do that with all Amazon orders. Also, if you paid with a credit card, you can dispute the charge with your bank, since you didn't get what you ordered.
excellent on returns, instant from Amazon

[ttjaa5@comcast.net]

I am claustrophobic and would love a solution. Haven't been in a store for over a month. Hubby does it all. I walk in our neighborhood and talk to neighbors through the lanai.

[Mumbles]

Maybe because you cannot find such masks in any local store. Tired of chasing around looking for toilet paper, hand sanitizer, sanitizing wipes, gloves, masks,etc. You can order online at inflated prices, but delivery dates are delayed or uncertain.

Two weeks ago, I ordered masks AND face shields from China (of course we don't make them in the US). My order, IF ACCEPTED AND NOT RESOLD TO THE GOVERNMENT, should come in around May 21. I have a sneaking suspicion that they will be quite useful by then for anyone wanting to leave the house for food shopping.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't wear a mask at all. No, it's not because I disregard others. It's because I fail to see the real need. The virus is spread by touching contaminated surfaces and then your eyes, mouth or nose. I am careful about that. Or it is spread by coughing on someone or very close, in your face contact. I believe that distancing beyond that is plenty. The whole mask thing seems like overkill to me. I realize that there are people who feel safer that way or more responsible, but I think it is their personal choice more than of any real need. I especially think people wearing masks in their cars or outside walking is totally unnecessary. To me it is my own common sense choice. I believe that realistic information is the best guideline. I realize there are lots of different opinions out there, but this is mine.

The mask YOU wear protects everyone ELSE.

This virus can be in your system, and you might have no symptoms at all. YOU could, for all intents and purposes, be the next Typhoid Mary without having any knowledge of it. Wearing a mask will protect the community.

Not saying that you are required to wear one. You're not. But in the interests of the lives of the community - including all those out of work employees you might want to go back to work - you might reconsider wearing one.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If the picture and description of the item you were purchasing was a Bowling Ball and you were supposed to get 4 Bowling Balls and you happily opened your envelope and found they shipped you one 8 1/2 X 11 piece of paper do you think that that may change your outlook? Deception at it's best and I will not stand for it.

In the past we have had several items that were previously owned and certainly not packaged properly or without the owners manual or scratched and they were all third party sellers. Amazon stood behind each one of those purchase and refunded the money immediately. They also supplied a prepaid U.P.S. return sheet that I print and put a Barcode inside the box and the Mailing Label on the box and drop it off and before I get home the refund is done.

I totally agree that you shouldn't stand for it. But you still need to address it with the party responsible for the sale. Amazon is not merely a retailer. They are also a middle-man to third-party sales. You have to read the Amazon return policy. That is -your- responsibility, before each and every purchase. You also have to look and see if the purchase you are -about- to make, is "sold by and shipped by" Amazon. If it isn't, you have to review the seller's return policy.

USUALLY it's the same as Amazon's. But not always.

Here's the blurb from Amazon's return webpage:

Seller Return Policy
When you order from a seller that fulfills and ships its own inventory (also called a third party seller), your return is sent back to the seller instead of Amazon.com. While most sellers offer a returns policy equivalent to Amazon.com's, some seller returns policies may vary. You can view the return policy of the seller before you purchase an item by viewing the Returns and Refunds Policy section of the seller profile page. To view the seller's return policy, once you've ordered, you can select your order in the Online Returns Center.

Third-party sellers must either provide a return address within the United States, provide a prepaid return label, or offer a full refund without requesting the item be returned. If a seller does not offer these methods to return your items, you may file an A-to-z Guarantee claim to seek help with your return.

If you are sending the item within the United States and the order is valued at $100 or more, insure the shipment for the value of the merchandise and ship your return with a signature shipping service. Items valued over $35 must be returned to the seller with a trackable shipping service. For items below $35, we suggest USPS delivery confirmation service. If a package doesn't arrive and you don't use a trackable method to return or if you refuse the shipment as a method of return, we may not be able to cover you under the A-to-z Guarantee.

Note: If the seller's listing is eligible for Amazon Prime, it will be subject to the same return policies as items fulfilled by Amazon.com that are outlined on this page.

[eclairela]

The reason they do not wear a mask is because they think it is a hoax. Not me

[John_W]

I saw this on Facebook, Villages Talk page. I don't know how many they have, only what you read.

https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/93795123_3509547232395158_4085343432774516736_o.jp g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=tL2Woff9gX8AX9XVE1q&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=3737d5ca85f157d5991fdab876d50683&oe=5EC158CF

KN95 masks will be available on Tuesday at 10:00 AM. I will be passing them out at Spanish Springs Brylah Fashions next to Kilwins Chocolates. $8.00 each cash only. First come first serve. We will do another round Thursday if you cannot make it tuesday. Also we should have gloves for sale and possibly hand sanitizer. Share your post. If you email brylahfashions@gmail.com to have some shipped. These masks are reusable. Put in oven at 200 degrees for 2 hours or spray front with lysol if available. Keeping our community health
EDITED: PS WE HAVE DONATED MANY MASKS TO LOCAL FIRST RESPONDERS AND WILL CONTINUE EVERY SHIPMENT WE GET. HAVE AN ORDER ONLY FOR LOCAL FIRE RESCUE MONDAY! THIS IS NOT FOR A PROFIT THIS IS OUR SMALL BUSINESS DOING OUR PART TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY! THANK YOU IN ADVANCE

[sipops]

Zonerboy you are so right.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I saw this on Facebook, Villages Talk page. I don't know how many they have, only what you read.

https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/93795123_3509547232395158_4085343432774516736_o.jp g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=tL2Woff9gX8AX9XVE1q&_nc_ht=scontent-mia3-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=3737d5ca85f157d5991fdab876d50683&oe=5EC158CF

KN95 masks will be available on Tuesday at 10:00 AM. I will be passing them out at Spanish Springs Brylah Fashions next to Kilwins Chocolates. $8.00 each cash only. First come first serve. We will do another round Thursday if you cannot make it tuesday. Also we should have gloves for sale and possibly hand sanitizer. Share your post. If you email brylahfashions@gmail.com to have some shipped. These masks are reusable. Put in oven at 200 degrees for 2 hours or spray front with lysol if available. Keeping our community health
EDITED: PS WE HAVE DONATED MANY MASKS TO LOCAL FIRST RESPONDERS AND WILL CONTINUE EVERY SHIPMENT WE GET. HAVE AN ORDER ONLY FOR LOCAL FIRE RESCUE MONDAY! THIS IS NOT FOR A PROFIT THIS IS OUR SMALL BUSINESS DOING OUR PART TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY! THANK YOU IN ADVANCE

KN95 masks are made in China, and were recalled in several states due to shoddy and unsafe manufacturing. They're better than no mask, and marginally better than the masks your dental hygienist wears. When there's no virus going around, you can get them for around $8/pack of 10. Also if you put them in an oven at 200 degrees for 2 hours the glue on the layers will melt and the entire mask will fall apart.

They aren't really intended to be reuseable, though you could probably steam them for a few minutes without risking them falling apart.

[Nucky]

I totally agree that you shouldn't stand for it. But you still need to address it with the party responsible for the sale. Amazon is not merely a retailer. They are also a middle-man to third-party sales. You have to read the Amazon return policy. That is -your- responsibility, before each and every purchase. You also have to look and see if the purchase you are -about- to make, is "sold by and shipped by" Amazon. If it isn't, you have to review the seller's return policy.

USUALLY it's the same as Amazon's. But not always.

Here's the blurb from Amazon's return webpage:

I didn't read the policy. Here is My Policy. The only one that counts. I order thru Amazon. I pay Amazon. Amazon will be and has been responsible for foul up bleeps and blunders similar to this in the past. Case Closed! They will make it right.

I mentioned this situation. I don't really recall asking for an assist. If someone wanted to relate their experience I think that would be fine. Thats what the Forum is here for. I'll be fine. I will not deal with the company who didn't even give me a kiss first! :)

I'm not going any further defending my position on this simple matter. :boxing2: :)

[Mumbles]

KN95 masks are made in China, and were recalled in several states due to shoddy and unsafe manufacturing. They're better than no mask, and marginally better than the masks your dental hygienist wears. When there's no virus going around, you can get them for around $8/pack of 10. Also if you put them in an oven at 200 degrees for 2 hours the glue on the layers will melt and the entire mask will fall apart.

They aren't really intended to be reuseable, though you could probably steam them for a few minutes without risking them falling apart.

I wonder... you could probably put that mask in a cpap cleaner like Lumina or So Clean and have o3 clean the mask, no heat, no moisture. Don't know.

[sallybowron]

I agree! You have the right to risk infection but not to pass it on to all of us. Your refusal to wear PPEs is dangerous to all of s, and we have a right to complain.

[golfing eagles]

I wonder... you could probably put that mask in a cpap cleaner like Lumina or So Clean and have o3 clean the mask, no heat, no moisture. Don't know.

Great question: Does ozone kill coronavirus? IDK either

[golfing eagles]

Great question: Does ozone kill coronavirus? IDK either

Ozone gas has been proven to kill the SARS coronavirus and since the structure of the new 2019-nCoV coronavirus is almost identical to that of the SARS coronavirus, it is relatively safe to say that it will also work on the new coronavirus though it must be noted that there are no studies to date except one that is currently ongoing n China at the Institute of Virology In Hubei with regards to this. Progress of that study has shown that it works and the study should be concluded by the end of this week and officially published in the journal Virology.
There are more than 17 scientific studies that show Ozone gas is able to destroy the SARS coronavirus.

[Rosebud1949]

All folk outside THEIR HOMES, in Supermarkets, driving golf carts, in hardware shops, postal stations etc should wear masks. Its protection for us AND them. Those of us who are right by the Golf Courses have dozens of unmasked CART DRIVERS WHIZZING PAST OUR YARDS EVERY DAY... SPREADING A HIDDEN VIRUS. You cannot say because you dont have the virus or tested negative last week that you are not carrying it this week. Stop being so SELFISH. If you dont have a mask then make one.... you dont have to sew, just a scarf or similar and 2 elastic bands...... go to you tube and watch the demo.. so simple

[MandoMan]

If you have a tee shirt or a scarf you have a mask!!

Or a turtleneck shirt or sweater. Or a dish towel and a clothespin or safety pin. Or a burqa. Or a scarf. Or a washcloth and some string and a needle and thread. Making a basic mask is exceedingly easy and can be done with fabric you have on hand, such as that Christmas sweater someone gave you. Or an old mattress cover. Or the fronts of three pairs of his old underwear, sewn together for multiple lawyers. Or a bra cup. There are so many options! Be creative.

[JoMar]

All folk outside THEIR HOMES, in Supermarkets, driving golf carts, in hardware shops, postal stations etc should wear masks. Its protection for us AND them. Those of us who are right by the Golf Courses have dozens of unmasked CART DRIVERS WHIZZING PAST OUR YARDS EVERY DAY... SPREADING A HIDDEN VIRUS. You cannot say because you dont have the virus or tested negative last week that you are not carrying it this week. Stop being so SELFISH. If you dont have a mask then make one.... you dont have to sew, just a scarf or similar and 2 elastic bands...... go to you tube and watch the demo.. so simple

But unless your standing by the path you are way more than the 6' recommendation, probably more like 20' if you are on your Lanai. I doubt that those wizzing past are facing you and sneezing or coughing as they go by. So far, what I have read, the home made masks offer little protection unless there is a filter that blocks the micron size of the droplets that may carry the virus. It may help but is not a great protection. It is suggested as something because the masks that will protect you need to go to the medical staff and first responders....as they should. Try not to be too paranoid.

[davidlisle]

If you have an opened N 95 mask you should be ashamed, you should take to your, or the nearest Doctor and donate it!

Not all N95 masks are suitable for medical settings. I have one that says just that.

[golfing eagles]

All folk outside THEIR HOMES, in Supermarkets, driving golf carts, in hardware shops, postal stations etc should wear masks. Its protection for us AND them. Those of us who are right by the Golf Courses have dozens of unmasked CART DRIVERS WHIZZING PAST OUR YARDS EVERY DAY... SPREADING A HIDDEN VIRUS. You cannot say because you dont have the virus or tested negative last week that you are not carrying it this week. Stop being so SELFISH. If you dont have a mask then make one.... you dont have to sew, just a scarf or similar and 2 elastic bands...... go to you tube and watch the demo.. so simple

Just calm down already, God forbid someone driving a cart 20 mph and 20+ feet away isn't wearing a mask. Get real. And if you're that paranoid, just hide under your bed.

[worcester]

Then there is the other side, have seen couples in their cars, windows up and wearing masks.

Why does that concern you?

[Rwirish]

One good reason is that they are not available. There are other reasons but that is for another day.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why does that concern you?

People who don't have any actual need to wear a mask (such as people driving in their cars with the windows up) don't concern me on a personal level. However, they concern me on a community level. Those are masks that could have been better used by people who actually need them, who can't - because those masks are no longer available to the people who actually need them.

One mask in the hands of someone who doesn't need them, is one mask fewer that someone who does need them, has access to.

As for the N95 masks - some people had them already. They shouldn't be obligated to give them up. I would just like to see people using them responsibly and not wastefully.

I have boxes of nitrile gloves from a couple years ago. They're for people who work with dangerous substances such as printers ink. Very thin, but not as thin as the latex exam gloves. Much more durable, and they can be sanitized for re-use as long as they don't break. I'm not giving them up. I actually use them, when it's appropriate for me to use them.

[bluecenturian]

I have experience as a first responders working with bio and chemical weapons response. I was involved in the anthrax response in 2002. If you think just wearing a N95 mask is the end all protection then you are wrong. First you MUST be fit tested with a pressure machine to ensure proper fit. This includes positive and negative pressure tests. I know no one has gotten that done. A mask is most efficient in an area that there is a high concentration of a hazardous substance such as a hospital. In areas that are more open especially outside there is a drastically reduced contagion. If you maintain a distance you will be more effective than wearing a mask within 2 feet of someone. I also see people wearing nitrile gloves and while it protects your hands, I see almost everyone cross contaminating other parts of their body, phones and bags because they touch them with the glove. This now becomes pointless to wear PPE. COVID is an ingestion/inhalation hazard not a permeable or penetrating hazard so wearing gloves doesn’t provide any additional protection. If you wash your hands before touching mucous membranes you will do a better job stoping contamination. You also must wash you hands after removing gloves no matter what. Doubt most are doing that.
5 healthcare workers got the Ebola virus in 2014 in The US. All got it because they improperly doffed (removed) their PPE. Simply wearing a mask, gloves won’t give you protection if you don’t properly wear it and remove it. It lends a false sense of security. If you choose to use this PPE you have a right but know how to properly use it. If someone doesn’t use it don’t condemn them because they may have more knowledge of better ways to stay protected. I know someone will question my opinion based on the experts on TV telling everyone to wear face coverings. This is a basic response to the general public who don’t have an advanced background. It is also a psychologically positive effect.

[Velvet]

I wear the gloves and constantly clean them with disinfecting wipes which I take with me in zip bag and wash the gloves while wearing them as I would my hands. Then wash my hands. I know some are laughing at all these precautions but in another year let’s see how many laughingly now will still be around? (I hope everyone will be, I love you all.)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I was wearing gloves before it was a "thing" in the USA. I usually wear gloves when I'm working with freight in cardboard boxes. I don't have enough friction on my fingertips to safely grip a big cardboard box with stuff in it. I use the gloves for friction, not protection from virii. The nitrile gloves are comfortable and fit me well, and don't break as easily as the latex exam gloves, so that's what I use. They're also really handy if you have mold or mildew in the bathroom or under the sink or in your dishwasher, and need to clean it off without getting that stuff all over your hands.

[CarolSells]

I wear the gloves and constantly clean them with disinfecting wipes which I take with me in zip bag and wash the gloves while wearing them as I would my hands. Then wash my hands. I know some are laughing at all these precautions but in another year let’s see how many laughingly now will still be around? (I hope everyone will be, I love you all.)

Velvet,
That’s What I do. No gloves but When I have to shop I take a baggy with 4 - 5 alcohol wipes for the cart handle, keypad, etc. When I get home I wash my hand immediately, so far, so good.

[aa1949a]

So true

[Nucky]

Hey there now! You know the rules and policies about an Amazon Third Party Supplier sending an order that had NOTHING to do with what is ordered?? The bad news is I didn't get the mask's that were earmarked for a few people who could use them. The good news is the $39.95 refund for getting hammered has been processed.

The next call was Synchrony Bank. They identified the customer (US) as Good As Gold. No questions No investigations and No B.S. They asked one question. Mr. Nucky did you try to contact Amazon Directly. I answered yes but all that was available was a virtual assistant and I don't talk to computers. The story ends there. Mission Accomplished. Karma, a Beautiful thing.

Our next door neighbor scratched up 3 M95 not N95 masks and we left them on the porch of the people who could use a boost just about now. I have to check out the difference but I'm Masked out today.

So in the end analysis rules and policies with Vendors are NOTHING. I got my money back.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Hey there now! You know the rules and policies about an Amazon Third Party Supplier sending an order that had NOTHING to do with what is ordered?? The bad news is I didn't get the mask's that were earmarked for a few people who could use them. The good news is the $39.95 refund for getting hammered has been processed.

The next call was Synchrony Bank. They identified the customer (US) as Good As Gold. No questions No investigations and No B.S. They asked one question. Mr. Nucky did you try to contact Amazon Directly. I answered yes but all that was available was a virtual assistant and I don't talk to computers. The story ends there. Mission Accomplished. Karma, a Beautiful thing.

Our next door neighbor scratched up 3 M95 not N95 masks and we left them on the porch of the people who could use a boost just about now. I have to check out the difference but I'm Masked out today.

So in the end analysis rules and policies with Vendors are NOTHING. I got my money back.

Congrats! As for the masks - might they be the KN95? Somewhat different, made in China, recalled in several states but still better than no mask or a tee-shirt mask (which has negligible use and is uncomfortable, as I can personally attest to)

[JoMar]

Why does that concern you?

Not concerned, just curious. Maybe they know something that could help others.

[Nucky]

Congrats! As for the masks - might they be the KN95? Somewhat different, made in China, recalled in several states but still better than no mask or a tee-shirt mask (which has negligible use and is uncomfortable, as I can personally attest to)

:1rotfl::1rotfl: Good Night Nurse! :mademyday::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jet10s]

All folk outside THEIR HOMES, in Supermarkets, driving golf carts, in hardware shops, postal stations etc should wear masks. Its protection for us AND them. Those of us who are right by the Golf Courses have dozens of unmasked CART DRIVERS WHIZZING PAST OUR YARDS EVERY DAY... SPREADING A HIDDEN VIRUS. You cannot say because you dont have the virus or tested negative last week that you are not carrying it this week. Stop being so SELFISH. If you dont have a mask then make one.... you dont have to sew, just a scarf or similar and 2 elastic bands...... go to you tube and watch the demo.. so simple
you have no idea what your are talking about -- maintain your 6 foot perimeter -- or just stay in your house == the masks made of cotton will make little or no difference -- it will not protect you from getting the virus unless it is an n-95 and as far as some one else who might be shedding the virus -- it they did sneeze a homemade mask would not stop the virus from escaping -- maybe 2 percent protection -- so keep wearing useless cotton on your face -- I will not

[croughwell]

If you can't walk down the street because the air is filled with Covid-19 then we are in really deep trouble!
If you want to wear a mask at all times... then simply wear one.
Why can't we simply use common sense?

[Bay Kid]

Are they made in China? Trust?