States with highest death rate per 100k

[GoodLife]

Good way to judge how each Governor has handled the covid 19 outbreak

Top 5 are:

New York 66 deaths per 100k population

New Jersey 43

Connecticut 29

Louisiana 26

Michigan 22

Florida is currently at 3 deaths per 100k

Full list at link

• Death rates from COVID-19 U.S. by state 2020 | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/)

[Topspinmo]

IMO not really fair comparison. NYC hub travel of the world. IMO Since traveling spread the virus course majority cities across the world are affected more. Also I O Plus the smaller populated area had heads up what was coming and was better prepared.

[GoodLife]

IMO not really fair comparison. NYC hub travel of the world. IMO Since traveling spread the virus course majority cities across the world are affected more. Also I O Plus the smaller populated area had heads up what was coming and was better prepared.

You might want to look that up.

List of the busiest airports in the United States - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_the_United_States# Busiest_US_airports_by_total_passenger_traffic_(20 19))

[Two Bills]

You might want to look that up.

List of the busiest airports in the United States - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_the_United_States# Busiest_US_airports_by_total_passenger_traffic_(20 19))

If you total the three New York airport movements together, then NY is the busiest hub

[GoodLife]

If you total the three New York airport movements together, then NY is the busiest hub

We are going by death rate per states here.

Total traffic at JFK and La Guardia is 45 million, if you want to count Newark, which is in New Jersey that's a total of 67 million.

Atlanta alone has 52 million

Florida airports
Orlando 23 million
Miami 21 million
Ft Lauderdale 18 million
Tampa 10 million

Total 72 million

[Topspinmo]

We are going by death rate per states here.

Total traffic at JFK and La Guardia is 45 million, if you want to count Newark, which is in New Jersey that's a total of 67 million.

Atlanta alone has 52 million

Florida airports
Orlando 23 million
Miami 21 million
Ft Lauderdale 18 million
Tampa 10 million

Total 72 million
And how many are foreign travelers, no way knowing who was infected on plane, how many they infected, and there final stopping point, NYC metro area probably biggest hub for foreign travelers. Plus closely populated are more at risk. NYC could of never planned or seen what was coming. Even when Seattle and Portland was first hit, it was already spreading in NYC. Orlando and any other major hub.

It one takes one Person infected to eventually get to every part of the country if they traveled and was infected

[GoodLife]

And how many are foreign travelers, no way knowing who was infected on plane, how many they infected, and there final stopping point, NYC metro area probably biggest hub for foreign travelers. Plus closely populated are more at risk. NYC could of never planned or seen what was coming. Even when Seattle and Portland was first hit, it was already spreading in NYC. Orlando and any other major hub.

It one takes one Person infected to eventually get to every part of the country if they traveled and was infected

According to National Travel and Trade organization, incoming foreign travelers by airport in 2019

Miami MIA 404,268
New York JFK 382,690

Orlando MCO 130,118
Newark EWR 117,656

Don't see La Guardia, Tampa, Ft Lauderdale in their stats but it's well known Florida gets more tourism than New York. I believe we are #2 after California.

[GoodLife]

I'm trying to figure out what the 5 worst states have in common.

[ColdNoMore]

I can't help but wonder if we hadn't pretty much wasted the whole month of February, in getting ready at the national level...would we still be leading the world in cases? :ohdear:

[GoodLife]

“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”

[manaboutown]

Since I grew up in New Mexico and still have business interests and friends there I am following the Wuhan virus in that state. The urban Albuquerque area has the most cases. Nine assisted living facilities located around the state contain significant percentages of infected residents and employees. The rural counties are all but untouched. What that tells me is that the density of a population has a lot to do with the chance of becoming infected.

Also population centers having high percentages of people who travel for business and personal reasons have relatively high infection rates.

[ColdNoMore]

Since I grew up in New Mexico and still have business interests and friends there I am following the Wuhan virus in that state. The urban Albuquerque area has the most cases. Nine assisted living facilities located around the state contain significant percentages of infected residents and employees. The rural counties are all but untouched. What that tells me is that the density of a population has a lot to do with the chance of becoming infected.

Also population centers having high percentages of people who travel for business and personal reasons have relatively high infection rates.

Golfing in ABQ (Land of entrapment).

[queasy27]

Using the OP's logic, I suppose it stands to reason that the country with the highest number of infections indicates how well that country's administration has handled the crisis.

[ColdNoMore]

Using the OP's logic, I suppose it stands to reason that the country with the highest number of infections indicates how well that country's administration has handled the crisis.

Yep, that's the way I read it too. :ohdear:


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[Velvet]

Good way to judge how each Governor has handled the covid 19 outbreak

Top 5 are:

New York 66 deaths per 100k population

New Jersey 43

Connecticut 29

Louisiana 26

Michigan 22

Florida is currently at 3 deaths per 100k

Full list at link

• Death rates from COVID-19 U.S. by state 2020 | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/)

So then the governors of Arkansas etc are doing the best job ever!

I think that some governors were facing much more challenging circumstances than others.

[manaboutown]

Golfing in ABQ (Land of entrapment).

Arroyo Del Oso, a public course in the NE Heights. Back in the mid 1970s I lived in a house on the eastern edge of that course.

[ficoguy]

New Jersey is biting the dust because they were afraid to limit interaction in 2 large religiously populated communities - Lakewood and Teaneck.

[ficoguy]

So then the governors of Arkansas etc are doing the best job ever!

I think that some governors were facing much more challenging circumstances than others.
And some were afraid (NJ) to clamp down on densely populated close quarters living highly interactive religious communities

[Altavia]

Since I grew up in New Mexico and still have business interests and friends there I am following the Wuhan virus in that state. The urban Albuquerque area has the most cases. Nine assisted living facilities located around the state contain significant percentages of infected residents and employees. The rural counties are all but untouched. What that tells me is that the density of a population has a lot to do with the chance of becoming infected.

Also population centers having high percentages of people who travel for business and personal reasons have relatively high infection rates.

And people who work/spend time in buildings/facilities where the air is recirculated and shared. Elevators are a likely hot spot.

[GoodLife]

Using the OP's logic, I suppose it stands to reason that the country with the highest number of infections indicates how well that country's administration has handled the crisis.

That's a valid question which we can explore by looking at the data. I look at confirmed deaths per million inhabitants for comparison.

Belgium 470
Spain 428
Italy 384
France 296
United Kingdom 227
Netherlands 210
Sweden 149
USA 117

China data is a joke, it's estimated that 40,000 died in Wuhan alone.

Confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people - Our World in Data (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?year=2020-04-19)

So we're doing better than a lot of advanced western societies with similar levels of international travel visitors.. We know the virus spread from China via air travel, so you can also look at that data.

Countries with highest tourism per year.

France 89 million
Spain 83
USA 80
China 63
Italy 62

The World's Most Visited Countries - WorldAtlas.com (https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/10-most-visited-countries-in-the-world.html)

We can drop China from the list as the virus originated and spread from there. So it's no wonder that the countries hardest hit are also the most visited. Too bad China did not shut down Wuhan until after 7 million got the heck out of dodge and spread the virus all over the world.

How the Virus Got Out - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/22/world/coronavirus-spread.html)

how the virus spread nyt - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=how+the+virus+spread+nyt&docid=608051529193950042&mid=2085E64BDDF7E76C4A8E2085E64BDDF7E76C4A8E&view=detail&FORM=VIRE)

[GoodLife]

I can't help but wonder if we hadn't pretty much wasted the whole month of February, in getting ready at the national level...would we still be leading the world in cases? :ohdear:

Perhaps the administration was getting some inaccurate advice.

Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is '''minuscule'''; skip mask and wash hands (https://news.yahoo.com/top-disease-official-risk-coronavirus-222852299.html)

Virus Experts' Early Statements Belie 'Prescient' Portrayal | RealClearPolitics (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/03/virus_experts_early_statements_belie_prescient_por trayal_142845.html)

[queasy27]

As an exercise, I compared each state's population density against their total number of confirmed cases. Probably not surprising that there's a correlation between more people per sq mile and a greater number of cases.

States that have high density populations primarily in their big cities have more of a disparity in rankings -- for example, NY is #8 in overall density but #1 in number of cases. The biggest outlier is D.C. with the highest population density but #32 in number of cases.

The Delta column indicates the difference in ranking between population density and number of cases.

I uploaded to Google Drive (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LgWXC-wKNJNzSghH5b41SXabAzOedtWn) since Excel attachments aren't allowed here.

[skyking]

Using the OP's logic, I suppose it stands to reason that the country with the highest number of infections indicates how well that country's administration has handled the crisis.

Per capita. The larger the population the higher the number of infections. Get it?

[Topspinmo]

I can't help but wonder if we hadn't pretty much wasted the whole month of February, in getting ready at the national level...would we still be leading the world in cases? :ohdear:
maybe 375 million and more traveled all over the world in January, February, and March has something to do with it infecting hundreds of thousands along the way?

[queasy27]

As an indicator of how successful countries have been at controlling the spread, here's a chart (https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/21176.jpeg) from April 9 that shows the number of confirmed infections per 1M in population. Only countries with over 4M population and more than 2K cases were included.

Spain: 3192
Switzerland: 2,734
Italy: 2,307
Belgium: 2,049
Austria: 1,463
Germany: 1,366
United States: 1,321
Portugal: 1,278
Ireland: 1,251
France: 1,240
Netherlands: 1,200
Norway: 1,137

Standard disclaimer from Statista: "The number of actual cases in a country is going to be higher than official figures show, with testing rates also varying dramatically. As with all figures relating to confirmed cases, they should be treated with caution."

[allus70]

Yes, but there are 3 airports in the NYC Metro area, it is also the financial & media of the US. In addition, NYC has one of the largest rapid transit system in the world with 5.7 million riders utilizing it daily.

[Chatbrat]

In NJ a lot of deaths are in nursing homes, they are equal to a land locked cruise ship, disease distribution centers

[MarkGoldberg]

I don’t think the purpose was to compare how effectively each state is handling the crisis. It is only to state the relative number of deaths.

[dougjb]

If we are to judge how well Governors are handling the situation based on infections, perhaps we should do the same for national leaders. So, which country has the highest incidence rate?

The USA of course, by far. Does that mean our national leadership has failed us?

[biker1]

We don't which country has the highest incident rate. We do know which country has the highest reported incident rate. They are not the same and we may never know the real answer.

If we are to judge how well Governors are handling the situation based on infections, perhaps we should do the same for national leaders. So, which country has the highest incidence rate?

The USA of course, by far. Does that mean our national leadership has failed us?

[ts12755]

NYC is inflating Covid deaths. Calling all old that die at home or in nursing homes as Covid.

[Cheapbas]

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1749108]Good way to judge how each Governor has handled the covid 19 outbreak

If your statement is true we could use the same methodology to judge the all the presidents, prime ministers around the world. Shall I post those statistics.

[biker1]

Most of the issues in New York state are in New York City. Population density is probably an issue and NYC has a high population density - it is a "vertical" city. They also may have been "seeded" with people from other areas. I don't believe you can judge the Governors because of the differences in the states.



Good way to judge how each Governor has handled the covid 19 outbreak

Top 5 are:

New York 66 deaths per 100k population

New Jersey 43

Connecticut 29

Louisiana 26

Michigan 22

Florida is currently at 3 deaths per 100k

Full list at link

• Death rates from COVID-19 U.S. by state 2020 | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/)

[kendi]

Good way to judge how each Governor has handled the covid 19 outbreak

Top 5 are:

New York 66 deaths per 100k population

New Jersey 43

Connecticut 29

Louisiana 26

Michigan 22

Florida is currently at 3 deaths per 100k

Full list at link

• Death rates from COVID-19 U.S. by state 2020 | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/)

Too many variables to make a judgement using one statistic.

[Cheapbas]

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1749108]Good way to judge how each Governor has handled the covid 19 outbreak

Top 5 are:

USA 40,565

Italy 23,660

Spain 20,852

France 19,718

UK 16,060

[GoodLife]

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1749108]Good way to judge how each Governor has handled the covid 19 outbreak

If your statement is true we could use the same methodology to judge the all the presidents, prime ministers around the world. Shall I post those statistics.

See my post #24 in this thread

[Lindsyburnsy]

When you start to count nursing homes infections/deaths and people that never went to the hospital or died at home and actually test everyone or at least more than have been tested at this
point, you will not have an accurate count.

[kanoa1kale2]

Since I grew up in New Mexico and still have business interests and friends there I am following the Wuhan virus in that state. The urban Albuquerque area has the most cases. Nine assisted living facilities located around the state contain significant percentages of infected residents and employees. The rural counties are all but untouched. What that tells me is that the density of a population has a lot to do with the chance of becoming infected.

Also population centers having high percentages of people who travel for business and personal reasons have relatively high infection rates.

Population density combined with public mass transit and significant external travel by people into the cities are a deadly combination.

[allsport]

Actually if you are interested in accurate stats, you need to evaluate the deaths per number found with positive tests. Sumter county currently has the highest death rate per positive tests in the state of FL. Your comparison makes no sense because you have no way to measure how many people in that 100,000 actually test positive and that is the only scientific measurement that has any meaning. With your comparison, only 3 in FL per 100,000 have been tested so a death rate of 3 equals a 100% death rate.
Until this incompetent government ramps up testing, there is no way to fix the problem. There are already 2 assisted living facilities in The Villages that have the virus according to the governor's information.

[toeser]

I can't help but wonder if we hadn't pretty much wasted the whole month of February, in getting ready at the national level...would we still be leading the world in cases? :ohdear:

We are leading the world with cases because we have 330 million people. Only India and China have more people, and China is lying. On a proportional basis, several countries in Europe are worse.

[Astron]

A great example of the misuse of statistics by someone pushing some political agenda. These statistics have very little to do with the actions of the Governors’ action or lack of it. There are far too many confounding variables, as others have mentioned, to use these numbers as a “scorecard” for governors.

[toeser]

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1749108]Good way to judge how each Governor has handled the covid 19 outbreak

Top 5 are:

USA 40,565

Italy 23,660

Spain 20,852

France 19,718

UK 16,060


Try factoring in population. All on your list are worse than the U.S. except the U.K. which is doing somewhat better than the U.S.

[Joelack99]

This is not a time synchronized pandemic. Inconvenient I know but New York is past the peak of first wave. Few other states are anywhere near the peak so comparison is unfair. Plus, later states had the benefit of NY’s experience and were able to get ahead of the curve. None of that means it’s over. Not over til we have working therapies and/or a vaccine.

[jjfoster69@aol.com]

How many people that partied in Florida went back to home states and became a number??? Remember, the beaches were packed with folks after some states went into lock down.

[EnglishJW]

I'm trying to figure out what the 5 worst states have in common.

"State" is an artifical category in many respects. For example, New York City is dramatically different than the rest of New York State in many ways. One critical characteristic is population density. Having said that, the geographic boundries of New York City are also questionable. Northern New Jersey (NJ is by far the most densely populated "state") and southern Connecticut are essentially more like NYC that update NY. The Metropolitian Statistical Areas (MSAs) might actually be a more meaningful way to compare areas - especially with respect to population density.

[EnglishJW]

Population density combined with public mass transit and significant external travel by people into the cities are a deadly combination.

Completely agree.

[EnglishJW]

One additional factor that we have to pay attention to is transmission. China has many economic and business ties with Italy and Iran. There is extensive travel to and from China with these two countries. The major business connections between China and Italy are, I believe, concentrated in northern Italy as was the coronavirus outbreak. We will be studying this for years to come. Defying Allies, Italy Signs On to New Silk Road With China - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/23/world/europe/italy-china-xi-silk-road.html)

[Dilligas]

:shocked:If we are to judge how well Governors are handling the situation based on infections, perhaps we should do the same for national leaders. So, which country has the highest incidence rate?

The USA of course, by far. Does that mean our national leadership has failed us?

[dplars]

“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”

"If on massages the numbers enough, they will confess your biases "

[stadalberts]

Get the restaurants open, that's all i'm saying. Hate cooking at home CONSTANTLY......Restaurants are all afraid to be open!

[theruizs]

Good way to judge how each Governor has handled the covid 19 outbreak

Top 5 are:

New York 66 deaths per 100k population

New Jersey 43

Connecticut 29

Louisiana 26

Michigan 22

Florida is currently at 3 deaths per 100k

Full list at link

• Death rates from COVID-19 U.S. by state 2020 | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/)

This is meaningless. What is the infection rate and what is the death rate of those infected? So, how many get infected per 100K and then what percentage of those die. You could also look at the infection rate among health care workers, but I am not sure that’s really available.

[GoodLife]

This is meaningless. What is the infection rate and what is the death rate of those infected? So, how many get infected per 100K and then what percentage of those die. You could also look at the infection rate among health care workers, but I am not sure that’s really available.

The infection rate doesn't matter and nobody knows. Deaths matter. Do you obsess over the number of people who get infected every year with the flu? 99.9% of them get well and survive.

The number of covid 19 infected is unknown and the only way we'll know for sure is when everyone gets an active virus test and/or antibody test. That's probably not going to happen soon. When you have those numbers let us know.

[garynarramore]

The blame or credit should mostly go to the people.

[GoodLife]

the blame or credit should mostly go to the people.

83765

[croughwell]

Deaths per thousand is not in any way a factor in determining how a governor has acted or hasn't acted to curb the virus!
Using that mentality, our least populated states would have the best action by their governors.

[GoodLife]

Deaths per thousand is not in any way a factor in determining how a governor has acted or hasn't acted to curb the virus!
Using that mentality, our least populated states would have the best action by their governors.

I don't think you understand statistics. Comparing deaths per 1000 equalizes the population differences between states.

Connecticut has a population of about 4 million and death rate per 1000 of 37

Florida (22 million) and California (39 million) have death rates of 3 per 1000.

[vermonster]

I'm trying to figure out what the 5 worst states have in common.
It seems that all of the top 10 states have one or more densely populated urban areas, or are in a predominantly urbanized megalopolis (MA, RI, CT, NY, NJ, PA, MD, etc.) That being said, there are probably multiple determinants of death rate rankings. By the way, Sumter County has one of the highest death rates of all counties in FL.