US Navy to "destroy" Iranian ships that harass US ships

[TexaninVA]

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This is a short video that shows what happened recently in the Persian Gulf.

Iranian Attack Boats Harass U.S. Warships in Persian Gulf - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn8Y5KXuQV0)


This is what POTUS ordered in response:

Trump instructs US Navy to shoot and 'destroy' Iranian ships harassing US ships (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/04/trump-instructs-us-navy-to-shoot-and-destroy-iranian-ships-harassing-us-ships/)


It will be interesting to see what the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Navy does next.


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[fishon]

Shooting wars are a sure fire way to jump start the economy.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Note his tweet said he wants the Navy to "shoot down" their gunboats. Can't wait to see the video of flying gunboats being shot down.

[TexaninVA]

Note his tweet said he wants the Navy to "shoot down" their gunboats. Can't wait to see the video of flying gunboats being shot down.

The IRGC also operates fighter jets etc, and are technically referred to as the "Aerospace Force of the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution." An air or missle attack would be the more likely venue of attack against US ships. The little gunboats would be easy to destroy., All of these military forces report directly to the Islamic theocrats who run the show, and their basic function is to protect the regime.

The late commander of the IRGC was Qasem Soleimani, reviled by most but still missed by some. If you recall, the tweeter you're referring to was the guy who had him smoked by a US drone.

[GoodLife]

Note his tweet said he wants the Navy to "shoot down" their gunboats. Can't wait to see the video of flying gunboats being shot down.

Boats usually sink after holes are poked in them.

Sink: to descend, drop, go down under the suface

[golfing eagles]

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This is a short video that shows what happened recently in the Persian Gulf.

Iranian Attack Boats Harass U.S. Warships in Persian Gulf - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn8Y5KXuQV0)


This is what POTUS ordered in response:

Trump instructs US Navy to shoot and 'destroy' Iranian ships harassing US ships (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/04/trump-instructs-us-navy-to-shoot-and-destroy-iranian-ships-harassing-us-ships/)


It will be interesting to see what the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Navy does next.


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Sink to the bottom?????

[BS Beef]

Interesting to see what happens when you poke the bear.

[Marvic 1]

. . . . . . . I'm sure This Commander in Chief will NOT let this happen on his watch.....

[TexaninVA]

Sink to the bottom?????

That's typically where ships that are sunk, by gunfire or other means, end up. :faint:

[karostay]

Keep poking the hornets nest with a stick and eventually the bees get P---ed off

[TexaninVA]

. . . . . . . I'm sure This Commander in Chief will NOT let this happen on his watch.....

I forgot about that national disgrace and textbook example of fecklessness. barf

[karostay]

War time economy Now There's a stimulus package

[golfing eagles]

Interesting to see what happens when you poke the bear.

This would be more like poking a gnat

[Two Bills]

This would be more like poking a gnat

Gnat bites cause can be painfull and cause a lot of irritation.
Suicide gnats could be a real PITA! :icon_wink:

[golfing eagles]

Gnat bites cause can be painfull and cause a lot of irritation.
Suicide gnats could be a real PITA! :icon_wink:

Here's 2 words that describe Iran's military capacity-------Saddam Hussein, who had a military force 10 times as strong as Iran. How many days did it take to obliterate Iraq?????

[davem4616]

make no mistake about it folks we are already at war...wars can no longer be defined as merely hot or cold

We are in the middle of an war with Russian, China and Iran...they are trying to undermine us any way that they can...they are flooding the media with BS just like Tokyo Rose did
Russia is routinely testing us by flying into our / Canada's air space on a regular basis and harassing our planes in international air space
China has been stealing our intellectual property for decades and taking over small islands in the Pacific....just like Russia has taken over land that it wanted on the Black Sea

Iran has been allowed to get away with attacking ships (ours and our allies) in international waters for far to long

[vilger]

An attempt to raise the price of oil to save the shale industry.

[Kenswing]

Keep poking the hornets nest with a stick and eventually the bees get P---ed off
Why would there be bees in a hornet's nest? lol

[TexaninVA]

An attempt to raise the price of oil to save the shale industry.

Some people apparently believe that. I'm guessing there's a correlation between that view and those who watch a lot of MSNBC?

[New Englander]

Boats usually sink after holes are poked in them.

Sink: to descend, drop, go down under the suface

:1rotfl: :clap2:

[blueash]

The US Navy decided to conduct live fire training exercises (https://www.dvidshub.net/news/367930/us-navy-surface-forces-and-army-helicopters-conduct-live-fire-exercise-north-arabian-gulf) in the North Persian Gulf. I am sure we stayed just outside the territorial waters of Iran. We were making a point that we have big boats and big guns, and big aircraft.
operations have been ongoing throughout March and April.

“This is yet another successful example of our surface forces being able to leverage cross-domain capabilities in order to enhance lethality against maritime threats

What would the US do if Iran's navy, if they had one, decided to hold a live fire training exercise 13 miles from our coast? I think the response of Iran was muted sending a few speedboats to loop around our ships.

Time to wag the dog?

[npwalters]

An attempt to raise the price of oil to save the shale industry.

groan and eye roll

[blueash]

I forgot about that national disgrace and textbook example of fecklessness. barf

Let me review the history of that event. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U.S.–Iran_naval_incident)

"On January 12, 2016, two United States Navy riverine command boats were seized by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Navy after they entered Iranian territorial waters near Iran's Farsi Island in the Persian Gulf. Initially, the U.S. military claimed the sailors inadvertently entered Iranian waters owing to mechanical failure, but it was later reported that they entered Iranian waters because of navigational errors.[3] The U.S. secretary of state, John Kerry, called the Iranian foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif within five minutes. His call was followed by multiple other phone calls between the two ministers. The sailors had a brief verbal exchange with the Iranian military and were released, unharmed, 15 hours later. "

To summary, our ship illegally entered the territorial water of Iran. The ship was captured and within a few hours the sailors were released. And you call that feckless? What should we have done, other than maybe stayed out of their waters. The Iranian Navy if it followed the just issued orders from our side, would have sunk our ships and all souls lost. What country acted with restraint in this story? Did diplomacy show its value? Some people only see what they want to see and disregard the rest.

[karostay]

make no mistake about it folks we are already at war...wars can no longer be defined as merely hot or cold

We are in the middle of an war with Russian, China and Iran...they are trying to undermine us any way that they can...they are flooding the media with BS just like Tokyo Rose did
Russia is routinely testing us by flying into our / Canada's air space on a regular basis and harassing our planes in international air space
China has been stealing our intellectual property for decades and taking over small islands in the Pacific....just like Russia has taken over land that it wanted on the Black Sea

Iran has been allowed to get away with attacking ships (ours and our allies) in international waters for far to long

No more new sheriff in town

[golfing eagles]

Let me review the history of that event. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U.S.–Iran_naval_incident)

"On January 12, 2016, two United States Navy riverine command boats were seized by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Navy after they entered Iranian territorial waters near Iran's Farsi Island in the Persian Gulf. Initially, the U.S. military claimed the sailors inadvertently entered Iranian waters owing to mechanical failure, but it was later reported that they entered Iranian waters because of navigational errors.[3] The U.S. secretary of state, John Kerry, called the Iranian foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif within five minutes. His call was followed by multiple other phone calls between the two ministers. The sailors had a brief verbal exchange with the Iranian military and were released, unharmed, 15 hours later. "

To summary, our ship illegally entered the territorial water of Iran. The ship was captured and within a few hours the sailors were released. And you call that feckless? What should we have done, other than maybe stayed out of their waters. The Iranian Navy if it followed the just issued orders from our side, would have sunk our ships and all souls lost. What country acted with restraint in this story? Did diplomacy show its value? Some people only see what they want to see and disregard the rest.


IF they could, but it's doubtful we would give them the chance


The US Navy decided to conduct live fire training exercises (https://www.dvidshub.net/news/367930/us-navy-surface-forces-and-army-helicopters-conduct-live-fire-exercise-north-arabian-gulf) in the North Persian Gulf. I am sure we stayed just outside the territorial waters of Iran. We were making a point that we have big boats and big guns, and big aircraft.


What would the US do if Iran's navy, if they had one, decided to hold a live fire training exercise 13 miles from our coast? I think the response of Iran was muted sending a few speedboats to loop around our ships.

Time to wag the dog?

Who cares. The point is we can do it off their waters and there is really nothing they can do about it

[GoodLife]

The US Navy decided to conduct live fire training exercises (https://www.dvidshub.net/news/367930/us-navy-surface-forces-and-army-helicopters-conduct-live-fire-exercise-north-arabian-gulf) in the North Persian Gulf. I am sure we stayed just outside the territorial waters of Iran. We were making a point that we have big boats and big guns, and big aircraft.


What would the US do if Iran's navy, if they had one, decided to hold a live fire training exercise 13 miles from our coast? I think the response of Iran was muted sending a few speedboats to loop around our ships.

Time to wag the dog?

A little bit outside your lane?

The thing is, those speedboats are not really Iranian Navy. Instead, they belong to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy. These speedboats, which are often equipped with heavy machine guns, rockets, and other weapons, got a reputation for attacking merchant traffic in the Iran-Iraq War. Back then, they were called "Boghammars" after the Swedish company that built the first boats used by the Iranians.

Just some nice little "speedboats" Problem is they are violating COLREGS by coming way too close.

83808

[golfing eagles]

A little bit outside your lane?

The thing is, those speedboats are not really Iranian Navy. Instead, they belong to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy. These speedboats, which are often equipped with heavy machine guns, rockets, and other weapons, got a reputation for attacking merchant traffic in the Iran-Iraq War. Back then, they were called "Boghammars" after the Swedish company that built the first boats used by the Iranians.

Just some nice little "speedboats" Problem is they are violating COLREGS by coming way too close.

83808

Just sink one. I'm sure the rest will stay away

[PNaughton]

I don't think the present CIC likes to be poked.

[GoodLife]

Just sink one. I'm sure the rest will stay away

And we won't even have to use any of the "big guns"

Just a Bushmaster or Mark 2 should do the trick.

US Navy Obliterates Attacking Fast-Boat – Mk 38 MOD 2 25mm Gun System Live-Fire Exercise - YouTube (https://youtu.be/izP3liVmfCE)

[Topspinmo]

Keep poking the hornets nest with a stick and eventually the bees get P---ed off


Yellowjacket’s attack before the poke.

[karostay]

Just sink one. I'm sure the rest will stay away

Like saying Lays potato chips goes
Bet ya can't sink just one

[Topspinmo]

I don't think the present CIC likes to be poked.


Well I know one that like to poke!:ohdear:

[TexaninVA]

Let me review the history of that event. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U.S.–Iran_naval_incident)

"On January 12, 2016, two United States Navy riverine command boats were seized by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Navy after they entered Iranian territorial waters near Iran's Farsi Island in the Persian Gulf. Initially, the U.S. military claimed the sailors inadvertently entered Iranian waters owing to mechanical failure, but it was later reported that they entered Iranian waters because of navigational errors.[3] The U.S. secretary of state, John Kerry, called the Iranian foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif within five minutes. His call was followed by multiple other phone calls between the two ministers. The sailors had a brief verbal exchange with the Iranian military and were released, unharmed, 15 hours later. "

To summary, our ship illegally entered the territorial water of Iran. The ship was captured and within a few hours the sailors were released. And you call that feckless? What should we have done, other than maybe stayed out of their waters. The Iranian Navy if it followed the just issued orders from our side, would have sunk our ships and all souls lost. What country acted with restraint in this story? Did diplomacy show its value? Some people only see what they want to see and disregard the rest.

Before I respond, I want to ask you a question.

Does the photo of American military men on their knees, being deliberately humiliated, bother or anger you as a loyal citizen?


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[Topspinmo]

Let me review the history of that event. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U.S.–Iran_naval_incident)

"On January 12, 2016, two United States Navy riverine command boats were seized by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Navy after they entered Iranian territorial waters near Iran's Farsi Island in the Persian Gulf. Initially, the U.S. military claimed the sailors inadvertently entered Iranian waters owing to mechanical failure, but it was later reported that they entered Iranian waters because of navigational errors.[3] The U.S. secretary of state, John Kerry, called the Iranian foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif within five minutes. His call was followed by multiple other phone calls between the two ministers. The sailors had a brief verbal exchange with the Iranian military and were released, unharmed, 15 hours later. "

To summary, our ship illegally entered the territorial water of Iran. The ship was captured and within a few hours the sailors were released. And you call that feckless? What should we have done, other than maybe stayed out of their waters. The Iranian Navy if it followed the just issued orders from our side, would have sunk our ships and all souls lost. What country acted with restraint in this story? Did diplomacy show its value? Some people only see what they want to see and disregard the rest.

Maybe multi-billion dollar release of assets had something to do with it? You know the billions in January that got transferred?

[rustyp]

Help me - not being negative. These Iranian boats are but a tinker toy against our ships which they are harassing. Assuming we are in international waters why wouldn't the orders be stay your course, do not deviate, do not fire unless fired upon ? Doesn't that send a better message of don't mess with us than putting us in the aggressor position ? Surely they will deviate before collision unless they are on a comacazie mission. In which case we gain more knowledge about reality Vs bluff. If we collide with them I hope we would take no more than a dent in the hull. I'm getting older now but I seem to remember this movie.

[blueash]

Before I respond, I want to ask you a question.

Does the photo of American military men on their knees, being deliberately humiliated, bother or anger you as a loyal citizen?


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I'm looking at the photo. I don't see anyone being humiliated. I don't see anyone on their knees [not that such would = humiliation]. I see a group of Americans who crossed into Iranian water, which we admit, being treated humanely but cautiously. I am not bothered by the treatment they received. I am bothered by the conduct they exhibited in allowing their craft to go where it was not allowed to go. "navigational errors" means they made a mistake. And they got away with it because the Iranians did not have a hot trigger finger.

[retiredguy123]

Help me - not being negative. These Iranian boats are but a tinker toy against our ships which they are harassing. Assuming we are in international waters why wouldn't the orders be stay your course, do not deviate, do not fire unless fired upon ? Doesn't that send a better message of don't mess with us than putting us in the aggressor position ? Surely they will deviate before collision unless they are on a comacazie mission. In which case we gain more knowledge about reality Vs bluff. If we collide with them I hope we would take no more than a dent in the hull. I'm getting older now but I seem to remember this movie.
Why wait to be fired upon? If they have the capability to fire on a Navy ship and cause damage or death, the threat should be removed before they fire.

[blueash]

Maybe multi-billion dollar release of assets had something to do with it? You know the billions in January that got transferred?

The return of Iranian assets was negotiated as part of the nuclear stand down deal which was finalized in the summer of 2015 with the money to be released in Jan 2016. It was coming to Iran unless we were going to abrogate our pledge and break our word as specified in the agreement which the US and many other countries signed. So Iran was getting that money back. They didn't release our lost sailors because they got something in return. They weren't hostages, they weren't bargained. They were humanely treated and humanely released. You and I do not see the same things looking at the same picture.

I thought the talking point was supposed to be that the US taxpayers "paid (https://apnews.com/727282bdead6489a8521059936375210/AP-FACT-CHECK:-Trump%27s-Iran-cash-story-oft-told,-still-bogus)" Iran to sign the agreement. At least you got it right that we didn't pay them anything. We gave them their own money that we had been holding in sanction and refunded a weapons payment we never delivered to them, when they agreed for 15 years to stop enriching uranium, destroy their stockpile, destroy their advanced centrifuges and submit to international inspections.

[retiredguy123]

I'm looking at the photo. I don't see anyone being humiliated. I don't see anyone on their knees [not that such would = humiliation]. I see a group of Americans who crossed into Iranian water, which we admit, being treated humanely but cautiously. I am not bothered by the treatment they received. I am bothered by the conduct they exhibited in allowing their craft to go where it was not allowed to go. "navigational errors" means they made a mistake. And they got away with it because the Iranians did not have a hot trigger finger.
Look a little closer. To me, they sure appear to be on their knees.

[Number 10 GI]

An attempt to raise the price of oil to save the shale industry.

Oh please!! :ohdear:

[rustyp]

Why wait to be fired upon? If they have the capability to fire on a Navy ship and cause damage or death, the threat should be removed before they fire.

Yes I understand what you are saying but isn't that what they are trying to do?
Provoke us to the point we are the aggressor? I.E. somehow make us look like the bad guys. If we are in international waters and not violating any maritime agreements /laws/ protocol why else would they try this maneuver? I can only imagine the fire power on our ships would be enough one could not even find their pieces afterwards. Surely they can't be that naive.

[Number 10 GI]

Help me - not being negative. These Iranian boats are but a tinker toy against our ships which they are harassing. Assuming we are in international waters why wouldn't the orders be stay your course, do not deviate, do not fire unless fired upon ? Doesn't that send a better message of don't mess with us than putting us in the aggressor position ? Surely they will deviate before collision unless they are on a comacazie mission. In which case we gain more knowledge about reality Vs bluff. If we collide with them I hope we would take no more than a dent in the hull. I'm getting older now but I seem to remember this movie.

Do you remember back in 2000 the USS Cole a guided missile destroyer damaged by a small boat similar to these loaded with explosives? 17 sailors killed and 39 injured.

[retiredguy123]

I would just say that, if the Navy ship is in danger, and fires on the Iranian boat, then we are not the aggressor. If someone thinks we "look" like bad guys, then I'm okay with it.

[TexaninVA]

I'm looking at the photo. I don't see anyone being humiliated. I don't see anyone on their knees [not that such would = humiliation]. I see a group of Americans who crossed into Iranian water, which we admit, being treated humanely but cautiously. I am not bothered by the treatment they received. I am bothered by the conduct they exhibited in allowing their craft to go where it was not allowed to go. "navigational errors" means they made a mistake. And they got away with it because the Iranians did not have a hot trigger finger.

That's what I thought and therein lays the problem ... enough said.

[rustyp]

Do you remember back in 2000 the USS Cole a guided missile destroyer damaged by a small boat similar to these loaded with explosives? 17 sailors killed and 39 injured.

I can't remember but wasn't that planted explosives on our ship at dock. If these boats wanted to fire a missile while both sides were underway why didn't they? Because their motive is to demonstrate we are the aggressor. I would have a totally different opinion if this were off our coast.

[dewilson58]

Blow a couple of them out of the water and the joy rides will end.


If not, blow a couple more of them out of the water.


:popcorn:

[TexaninVA]

Help me - not being negative. These Iranian boats are but a tinker toy against our ships which they are harassing. Assuming we are in international waters why wouldn't the orders be stay your course, do not deviate, do not fire unless fired upon ? Doesn't that send a better message of don't mess with us than putting us in the aggressor position ? Surely they will deviate before collision unless they are on a comacazie mission. In which case we gain more knowledge about reality Vs bluff. If we collide with them I hope we would take no more than a dent in the hull. I'm getting older now but I seem to remember this movie.

Fair question.

They are small boats but they can still damage US ships, and injure/kill US sailors. We were in international waters. The US Navy follows the International Rules of the Road which gives guidance as to whether you turn (burdened vessel) or maintain course (privileged vessel). It changes when the ship is “in extremis” which means a collision is imminent. The simple takeaway is … the Iranians were ignoring the rules.

By way of background, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) are their elite military corps. They are all devout Shia Muslims, screened for loyalty to the regime and generally very good fighters. They are basically jihadis in boats, in the case of the IRGC Navy, and looking for ways to earn their 72 virgins by dying in battle … the usual Islamist incentives so to speak.

The Iranian sanctions POTUS put in place are slowly destroying their economy, and which is essentially a kleptocracy where the senior Mullahs make most of the money. The IRGC commanders are also well invested financially in the system. They’re doing their best to hold out till November and hoping for a better Great Satan POTUS to deal with.

Hence, Ali Khameni, the “Supreme Leader” (that’s the actual title … sounds like something from a bad movie, I know) is feeling the squeeze, plus the virus has ravaged Iran. Hence, he really needs something to take his people’s mind off their misery. Thus, poke the Great Satan etc., but the tricky part is to not poke too much lest the Americans level the place.

What I think will probably happen is this. At some point the IRGC small boats will again challenge our patrol boats and destroyers. Our Navy will be happy to smoke several of the boats, since they’ve been harassing us on and off for years. At that point, I think the Iranians will become sufficiently deterred, back down and not bother us any more.

[Two Bills]

Here's 2 words that describe Iran's military capacity-------Saddam Hussein, who had a military force 10 times as strong as Iran. How many days did it take to obliterate Iraq?????

You are right.
That venture has been an overwhelming success.
Just remind me when it will be over?

[Skunky1]

Not really. Most likely most of the items used in a conflict or war will be manufactured by companies overseas.

[Oneiric]

An Iranian boat will "harass" us. It will be "destroyed". Iran will retaliate by blowing up one of our foreign installations. We will retaliate with a nice drone wipe-out. Then things will slowly calm down for while, then repeat.

[ficoguy]

International waters....
A few 50 caliber cannon shots should take care of those canoes
Or toss them a few vials full of CV19
Or toss a football ( they really do think its pigskin )
Or better yet get something in there to tangle the props and send them spinning in circles

[rjn5656]

Remember the USS Cole.

[WesMan]

Crazy Talk!!!!!!

[WesMan]

You are totally correct!!!!!!

[Tennisbum]

They would be a good training scenario for the boys on the 50 cal. Those bullets would go through both sides of their little toy boats!!!!!!! Can't wait to see that youtube video!

[Eg_cruz]

Haters going to hate

[Travelingal702]

Don't bother changing course? Just run 'em over!!

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Shooting wars are a sure fire way to jump start the economy.Anybody remember that mysterious episode that helped get Vietnam started. ??

[daca55]

Remember the little boat that was buzzing around the USS Cole??About time we say enough is enough. Glad the new sheriff in town is putting his foot down on these flies.

[bumpygreens]

make no mistake about it folks we are already at war...wars can no longer be defined as merely hot or cold

We are in the middle of an war with Russian, China and Iran...they are trying to undermine us any way that they can...they are flooding the media with BS just like Tokyo Rose did
Russia is routinely testing us by flying into our / Canada's air space on a regular basis and harassing our planes in international air space
China has been stealing our intellectual property for decades and taking over small islands in the Pacific....just like Russia has taken over land that it wanted on the Black Sea

Iran has been allowed to get away with attacking ships (ours and our allies) in international waters for far to long

Don't forget to mention that China has about 2,000,000 people who surveil websites, chat boards and social media and spread disinformation. Russia does the same just with fewer people. Chinese, Russian and Islamic organizations have been selectively funding western political campaigns for years. And then you have the problem of immigration -- how do you grapple with guaranteeing religious freedom while admitting immigrants and refugees whose religion insists on establishing its own form of government?

[LI SNOWBIRD]

I forgot about that national disgrace and textbook example of fecklessness. barf

I love the use of the word fecklessness . Thanks for your phraseology.

[Number 10 GI]

I can't remember but wasn't that planted explosives on our ship at dock. If these boats wanted to fire a missile while both sides were underway why didn't they? Because their motive is to demonstrate we are the aggressor. I would have a totally different opinion if this were off our coast.

Yes the ship was at dock but the explosives were on a small boat that pulled up to the ship and detonated.
Their motive is to show that the US is a cowardly paper tiger.

[Tblue]

I would have thought after the USS Cole the Navy would have instituted some kind of prevention policy. A policy of when operating in certain parts of the world any unwelcome/unscheduled crafts approaching a US warship would be subject to being fired upon. Maybe warning shots if possible, but if you come within say 100 yards you are fair game.

[TexaninVA]

Don't bother changing course? Just run 'em over!!

Depending on the US ship, and relative speed of collision, that could damage equipment and cause the ship to have to go to a repair facitliy.

About ten well-placed .50 cal rounds much simpler and cheaper,

[TexaninVA]

I would have thought after the USS Cole the Navy would have instituted some kind of prevention policy. A policy of when operating in certain parts of the world any unwelcome/unscheduled crafts approaching a US warship would be subject to being fired upon. Maybe warning shots if possible, but if you come within say 100 yards you are fair game.

It depends upon the Rules of Engagement and, at some level especially when you're authorized to shoot back, is determined by POTUS.

I would say the rules are now quite clear.

[BS Beef]

This would be more like poking a gnat

The "bear" is the US of A.

[blueash]

Look a little closer. To me, they sure appear to be on their knees.

You are absolutely correct. I was looking at the little thumbnail on post 33 where it is not obvious. It is visible on an earlier larger photo. But, as I said, being placed on your knees when having been legitimately captured is not humiliation. It is a reasonable measure to control the captured sailors. I missed it, you are right.

[Two Bills]

You are absolutely correct. I was looking at the little thumbnail on post 33 where it is not obvious. It is visible on an earlier larger photo. But, as I said, being placed on your knees when having been legitimately captured is not humiliation. It is a reasonable measure to control the captured sailors. I missed it, you are right.

I agree.
It is not what anyone wants to see.
But!
Is it any worse than what US troops do to captured personell?
Is it any worse than what US Police do to their own ciizens when apprehended?

[Chi-Town]

It depends upon the Rules of Engagement and, at some level especially when you're authorized to shoot back, is determined by POTUS.

I would say the rules are now quite clear.


The funny thing is that it will be communicated in another tweet.

[Moderator]

Please confine comments to the original topic of the current situation described in the OP’s post. The discussion has been redirected by posts bringing up past occurrences.

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[ficoguy]

Do it quickly and get those little pr!cks off the high seas

[tophcfa]

I wonder what the Vegas line is on how long a member of the Iranian Revolunatary Guard can tread water?

[Twiganne]

You’re kidding right? I figured lol. Yes we should blast them out of the water. I never again Want see such humiliation against our US military soldiers.

[PennBF]

The thinking of these Countries is that American's are "Cowards". This is not a guess, as it is what drove the Military in Beirut to take our hostages when that occurred a few years back. They took 20 some American's as hostages. As they were being abused we sat back and tried to negotiate with them. At the time I met with a couple of guys from Paris whos father lived in Beirut and when I asked them what they would suggest they said land the Marine's on their shore and go get the American hostages. By not doing that we were just adding to the Beirut's opinion that we were cowards. What is happening in Iran demonstrates the need not to allow ourselves to be pictured as "cowards" as it will just get worse. :ohdear:

[TexaninVA]

I agree.
It is not what anyone wants to see.
But!
Is it any worse than what US troops do to captured personell?
Is it any worse than what US Police do to their own ciizens when apprehended?

This article may be of interest. It provides insight on the various weaponry the US Navy has available with which to deal with the harassing IRGC Navy small boats. This includes interceptor missiles, attack drones, deck-mounted guns, electronic warfare weapons and even lasers could quickly be called upon should provocations, hostile actions or attacks require a lethal response.

This is a Fox New link.

US Navy ships authorized to '''destroy''' Iranian threats if needed: How would they do it? | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/tech/us-navy-ships-authorized-to-destroy-iranian-threats-if-needed-how-would-they-do-it)

I know some are not big fans of Fox but I did not see any comparable articles on weaponry in CNN, MSNBC and other sources. If I missed it, someone let me know please.

[BamaBoy451]

I'm really surprised we're letting them get this close to our boats to begin with. Maybe sinking one or two of them will stop their fun. Show them it's not a game they want to play.

[Bill32]

i agree.
It is not what anyone wants to see.
But!
Is it any worse than what us troops do to captured personell?
Is it any worse than what us police do to their own ciizens when apprehended?

omg.....

[ficoguy]

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This is a short video that shows what happened recently in the Persian Gulf.

Iranian Attack Boats Harass U.S. Warships in Persian Gulf - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn8Y5KXuQV0)


This is what POTUS ordered in response:

Trump instructs US Navy to shoot and 'destroy' Iranian ships harassing US ships (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/04/trump-instructs-us-navy-to-shoot-and-destroy-iranian-ships-harassing-us-ships/)


It will be interesting to see what the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Navy does next.


...
The Trump opposition will brand it as a hate crime against pleasure boaters just seeking a break from Ramadan....

[TexaninVA]

omg.....

"Is it any worse than what the US does etc etc " barf

Pathetic but at least Two Bills was honest about his true feelings.

[Two Bills]

"Is it any worse than what the US does etc etc " barf

Pathetic but at least Two Bills was honest about his true feelings.

Well, is it?

[TexaninVA]

Well, is it?

I invite you to share your views on the Firepower/Flower Power thread. In all seriousness, would be good to hear your views in more depth.