Street Names

[taylor111947]

I'm just curious if there is any rhyme or reason for street names? And, what distinction is there, if any, between a Lane, Trail, Loop, Way, Court, Place, ...? I noticed there are not too many 'Streets'.

I just have this picture of some poor soul sitting in a windowless room day after day coming up with street names. In the Villages I could see it being a full time job!

I once lived in a town in Illinois where, in my development, all the streets were named after Kentucky Derby winners.

[Russ_Boston]

I once lived in a town in Illinois where, in my development, all the streets were named after Kentucky Derby winners.

Secretariat Lane!

[wmchale]

no

Secretariat Circle

[Barefoot]

I'm just curious if there is any rhyme or reason for street names? And, what distinction is there, if any, between a Lane, Trail, Loop, Way, Court, Place, ...? I noticed there are not too many 'Streets'.

I just have this picture of some poor soul sitting in a windowless room day after day coming up with street names. In the Villages I could see it being a full time job!

I once lived in a town in Illinois where, in my development, all the streets were named after Kentucky Derby winners.

The street names seem to be based on the name of the Village which sets a "theme". For instance, Belvedere Village has an English twist with streets named Churchill, Leicester Terrace, Brighton, etc.

I'm guessing that the Developer decided that "Lane, Trail, Loop, Terrace, etc.", are classier and more interesting than "Street".

I also used to live in a town (in Canada) which had a development where streets were named after Kentucky Derby winners. Perhaps there is a similar development in every town in North America. :girlneener:

[jojo]

We live on Inner Circle which some folks have noted is much better than Outer Circle.

[sandybill2]

We live in Belvedere Village--most of the street names are associated with horse racing---Churchill Downs, Manor Downs, Kempton , Thistledown, Keeneland , Hialeah, Pimlico--Leicester and Brighton are tracks in the UK--Northham is in Australia. Agree with Barefoot---Way, Trace, etc. sounds better than Street, Road, or Avenue. Probably a full-time job for someone in the Villages to come up with these names.

[swrinfla]

And, I can't help but think how much more interesting the names are than in some of the small mid-western towns I've driven through, where all the north-south streets are numbered and east-west streets are trees - or some similarly dull arrangement. Sure, probably easier for folks to figure where an address is, but isn't it more fun, here?

I agree that using "nicer" terms than "street" adds some charm. It does bother me a wee bit, though, when I come across an "avenue" which is one short block long! :1rotfl:

Aren't you glad we're not square, either?

SWR
:beer3:

[Pturner]

Darn. I never minded the name of my street in TV until I read this thread.

I live on a Street. :swear:

[BobKat1]

"Street"? How old school!

The streets in older towns and cities were named in a different, more simple era. Pretty straight forward. I like both the old and new names given to residential areas. In some ways the old type names are easier to remember.

[judynlee]

We were told names are computer-generated, but they do seem to have themes, as well.

[kb8tpw]

Blame it on the computer..... how novel and unique. My street (oops, Run I mean) is Baldwin and it crosses Bassinger Ct. Must have been reviewing movies that day in the design shop, seems like those names are straight from Hollywood and ought to be in the vicinity of Bacall Center? Oh well, I have it memorized now and am able to find it in the dark. I think perhaps that "marketing" may just be an ingredient, as is with most aspects of the Villages, and that ain't all bad I don't reckon.....BTW the trivia in the paper today was a keeper.

[Hawkwind]

There are about 1960 street names in TV as of 4/26/2010 and of those about 146 end in street.

http://www.districtgov.org/images/street%20listing.pdf

Most interesting that I found was Joe's Street.

[bluedog103]

And, I can't help but think how much more interesting the names are than in some of the small mid-western towns I've driven through, where all the north-south streets are numbered and east-west streets are trees - or some similarly dull arrangement. Sure, probably easier for folks to figure where an address is, but isn't it more fun, here?

I agree that using "nicer" terms than "street" adds some charm. It does bother me a wee bit, though, when I come across an "avenue" which is one short block long! :1rotfl:

Aren't you glad we're not square, either?

SWR
:beer3:

Yup. We have house number 1999. I'm still trying to figure out where the other one thousand, nine hundred and ninety eight houses are located on our stree....uh, er, Run.

[mak44070]

Blame it on the computer..... how novel and unique. My street (oops, Run I mean) is Baldwin and it crosses Bassinger Ct. Must have been reviewing movies that day in the design shop, seems like those names are straight from Hollywood and ought to be in the vicinity of Bacall Center? Oh well, I have it memorized now and am able to find it in the dark. I think perhaps that "marketing" may just be an ingredient, as is with most aspects of the Villages, and that ain't all bad I don't reckon.....BTW the trivia in the paper today was a keeper.
and for the benefit of those us up North for the summer, what was [/B][/B]the trivia in the paper???:read:

[kb8tpw]

1. ADVERTISEMENTS: What was the name of the finicky eater in the Nine Lives cat food commercial?
2. LITERATURE: Who is the author of the best-seller "Roots"?
3. TELEVISION: What was the setting for the "I Dream of Jeannie" TV show?
4. GEOGRAPHY: What was the Netherlands basic currency before it adopted the euro?
5. ABBREVIATED TITLES: Whar is an MP?
6. ARCHITECTURE: Who designed St Paul's Cathedral in London?
7. HOLIDAYS: What holiday is celebrated on July 14th?
8. MOVIES: In "Forest Gump", what was the nickname of Forrest's best friend in the Army?
9. ASTRONOMY: What is the first planet beyond Saturn in our solar system?
10. MEASUREMENTS: What does the Mercalli Scale measure?

1. Morris 2. Alex Haley 3. Cocoa Beach, FL 4. The guilder 5. Member of Parliament 6. Sir Christopher Wren 7. Bastille Day 8. Bubba 9. Uranus 10. Intensity of earthquakes

See what you have to look forward to in the Daily Sun? Seriously, I haven't read a daily newspaper (too liberal) for many years, but I'm kinda getting use to a daily read of the Daily Sun. Prior to our arrival I read it daily on the internet, while checking out TOTV. I consider it an integral part of the "villages package". In a straw poll I'll still rate TOTV anead of the paper for usefullness, creativeness and crammed with important information, unlike the trivia above......

[chuckinca]

Note the street listing has a column "MC ID" that has Street names SE 173rd, SE 80th, etc

TV Homes in Marion County have two address names such as:

12345 SE 176th Abbey Lane

Marion County has a county wide address system (that is just weird); all streets are named SE (or SW or NE etc) 176th or 2nd or 80th etc. It is normal that a street named SE 123th is next to a street named SE 35th etc no rhyme or reason for the number designation or location.

I believe TV made a special deal with the county to add the alpha names to the streets in TV.

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[redwitch]

I live on a "road." It's really kind of embarassing to say you live on a road that two city blocks long.

One of the things I love/hate is the fact that many of the streets in Santo Domingo, Rio Grande, Palo Alto, et al. are not Spanish names but Italian. Methinks someone didn't know the difference but it does give TV a sad sense of illiteracy (like Dutchess rather than Duchess) and, at the same time, adds some humor.

[salpal]

LOL, my favorite is one I saw the other day ...Guido Drive.....you are correct, they don't know Spanish from Italian.

[philnpat]

The roads in our development up north are named after golf courses. The original name of our street was Shinnecock Hills. After hearing the sub-contractors purposely mispronounce the street name, the developer quickly changed it to Sun Valley Lane. We're happier with the new name. :)

[Russ_Boston]

LOL, my favorite is one I saw the other day ...Guido Drive.....you are correct, they don't know Spanish from Italian.

I think that's rude. Looks to me like there was never a good meaning of that word:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_%28slang%29

[zcaveman]

TV Homes in Marion County have two address names such as:

12345 SE 176th Abbey Lane

Marion County has a county wide address system (that is just weird); all streets are named SE (or SW or NE etc) 176th or 2nd or 80th etc. It is normal that a street named SE 123th is next to a street named SE 35th etc no rhyme or reason for the number designation or location.

I believe TV made a special deal with the county to add the alpha names to the streets in TV.

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I live in Marion county. My understanding is that the direction (SE, etc) and the number (91st, etc) is for fire and police call directions.

I know it is very confusing and thank the Lord we were allowed to have alpha names added.

It is really fun when you have to give a company your address on the telephone.

[Shimpy]

1. ADVERTISEMENTS: What was the name of the finicky eater in the Nine Lives cat food commercial?
2. LITERATURE: Who is the author of the best-seller "Roots"?
3. TELEVISION: What was the setting for the "I Dream of Jeannie" TV show?
4. GEOGRAPHY: What was the Netherlands basic currency before it adopted the euro?
5. ABBREVIATED TITLES: Whar is an MP?
6. ARCHITECTURE: Who designed St Paul's Cathedral in London?
7. HOLIDAYS: What holiday is celebrated on July 14th?
8. MOVIES: In "Forest Gump", what was the nickname of Forrest's best friend in the Army?
9. ASTRONOMY: What is the first planet beyond Saturn in our solar system?
10. MEASUREMENTS: What does the Mercalli Scale measure?

1. Morris 2. Alex Haley 3. Cocoa Beach, FL 4. The guilder 5. Member of Parliament 6. Sir Christopher Wren 7. Bastille Day 8. Bubba 9. Uranus 10. Intensity of earthquakes

See what you have to look forward to in the Daily Sun? Seriously, I haven't read a daily newspaper (too liberal) for many years, but I'm kinda getting use to a daily read of the Daily Sun. Prior to our arrival I read it daily on the internet, while checking out TOTV. I consider it an integral part of the "villages package". In a straw poll I'll still rate TOTV anead of the paper for usefullness, creativeness and crammed with important information, unlike the trivia above......

you're suppose to print the answers upside down.

[Walt.]

... My street (oops, Run I mean) is Baldwin and it crosses Bassinger Ct. Must have been reviewing movies that day in the design shop...

Could've been worse. You might have ended up on the corner of Holmes and Lovelace!!

[chuckinca]

I live in Marion county. My understanding is that the direction (SE, etc) and the number (91st, etc) is for fire and police call directions.



How do the Police and Fire people find SE 91st when it is right after SE 23rd which is just after SE 199th?


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[salpal]

I agree Russ, it is rude, surprised no one ever complained.....

[zcaveman]

How do the Police and Fire people find SE 91st when it is right after SE 23rd which is just after SE 199th?


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After spending about an hour on Google to find the answer, the only thing I can tell you is there are a lot of states with a Marion county. Tomorrow I will stop at the EMS station (or whatever it is called) up near our mailstop and ask them.

More tomorrow.

Z

[Pturner]

How do the Police and Fire people find SE 91st when it is right after SE 23rd which is just after SE 199th?

Excellent question, Chukinca! As a Marioner, I'd love to see them abolish the silly, non-consecutive number names.

...Tomorrow I will stop at the EMS station (or whatever it is called) up near our mailstop and ask them.

More tomorrow.

Z

Thanks Z. Can't wait to find out what you learn.

[BobKat1]

How do the Police and Fire people find SE 91st when it is right after SE 23rd which is just after SE 199th?


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I bet GPS is used a lot by fire, police etc. to find homes throughout TV.

[Taltarzac]

I live on a "road." It's really kind of embarassing to say you live on a road that two city blocks long.

One of the things I love/hate is the fact that many of the streets in Santo Domingo, Rio Grande, Palo Alto, et al. are not Spanish names but Italian. Methinks someone didn't know the difference but it does give TV a sad sense of illiteracy (like Dutchess rather than Duchess) and, at the same time, adds some humor.

I would like to see some examples of the Italian names in these Villages. Most of the ones I looked at on the Villages' map appear to be Spanish. Maybe, they ran out of Spanish street names and had to add some Italian ones??

[zcaveman]

After spending about an hour on Google to find the answer, the only thing I can tell you is there are a lot of states with a Marion county. Tomorrow I will stop at the EMS station (or whatever it is called) up near our mailstop and ask them.

More tomorrow.

Z

I stopped by the EMS station and they had no idea. They a a part of TV. I will try the police station or the fire station down at 42 and BV tomorrow.

[RichieLion]

We were told names are computer-generated, but they do seem to have themes, as well.

I only wanted to say that your avatar is one beautiful feline. I'm a cat lover myself and yours looks adorable.

[chuckinca]

I stopped by the EMS station and they had no idea. They a a part of TV. I will try the police station or the fire station down at 42 and BV tomorrow.

Thanks Zman - sure is a strange way of numbering streets (being from Chicago, 80th was followed by 81st and then 82nd etc)(same in SF East Bay Alameda County based on Oakland streets - we lived on 342nd, 20 miles South from downtown Oakland)


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[zcaveman]

Yesterday, I tried the EMS station in Springdale but they gave me a look like a deer caught in headlights. Today, I took a cart ride down to the Marion County police substation at RT 42 but I found out that the cart path there is under construction and could not get through. And yes I read all of the multinodal path bulletins but it did not dawn on me that the access to the police substation was closed. It was a nice ride and it cooled me off from my golf outing this morning.

I sent a note to The Villages and was sent a PDF that covers it all with all of the whereas and wherefores but I am asking to see if I can post the entire PDF. I don't want to get into any trouble.

But as a forerunner, here are some excerpts. Enjoy!!


WHEREAS the E9-1-1 Emergency Number Telephone System is intricately
intertwined, related to and dependent upon a uniform addressing system; and
WHEREAS, Marion county recognizes that readily locating and finding the proper location is vital to providing fire and emergency services

WHEREAS E9-1-1 Emergency Number Telephone System is established to
promote, protect and improve the health, safety and welfare of the citizens of Marion County, Florida; and the Board of County Commissioners of Marion County has determined that it is in the best interest of the public health, safety and well being of the citizens of Marion County to use and enforce a uniform street numbering system, so that every building in Marion County shall have a uniquely numbered address;


There is adopted for the numbering, naming and designation of thoroughfares,
alleys, and public and private ways in the County, the system known as the Quadrant System whereby the County is divided into four Sections designated northeast (NE), northwest (NW), southeast (SE) and southwest (SW).


1. Avenue: A north/south running road, primarily within the first third of the grid, closest to the zero (0) grid line.

2. Avenue Road: A north/south running meandering road within the first third of its grid, closest to the zero (0) grid line, usually crossing grid lines, named from the most major intersection.

3. Court: A north/south running road, primarily within the second third of the grid, closest to the zero (0) grid line.

4. Court Road: A north/south running meandering road within the second third of its grid, closest to the zero (0) grid line, usually crossing grid lines, named from the most major intersection.

5. Terrace: A north/south running road, named primarily from the third third of the grid, closest to the zero (0) grid line.

6. Terrace Road: A north/south running meandering road within the third third of its grid, closest to the zero (0) grid line, usually crossing grid lines, named from the most major intersection.

7. Circle: A north/south road that takes a circular position, ends back upon itself, ends back upon another road from which it originates or takes any shape other than a conventional quadrant system road name designation.

8. Street: An east/west running road, named primarily from the first third of the grid, closest to the zero (0) grid line.

9. Street Road: An east/west running meandering road within the first third of its grid, closest to the zero (0) grid line, usually crossing grid lines, named from the most major intersection.

10. Place: An east/west running road, named primarily from the second third of the grid, closest to the zero (0) grid line.

11. Place Road: An east/west running meandering road within the second third of its grid, closest to the zero (0) grid line, usually crossing grid lines, named from the most major intersection.

12. Lane: An east/west running road, named primarily from the third third of the grid, closest to the zero (0) grid line.

13. Lane Road: An east/west running meandering road within the third third of its grid, closest to the zero (0) grid line, usually crossing grid lines, named from the most major intersection.

14. Loop: An east/west road that takes a circular position, ends back upon itself, ends back upon another road from which it originates or takes any shape other than a conventional quadrant system road name designation.

So it you made it this far it is like I said in my original post. I live in Marion county. My understanding is that the direction (SE, etc) and the number (91st, etc) is for fire and police call directions.

THe PDF is is from the Marion County website and is their ordinance.

Here is the full PDF for the doubters: http://www.marioncountyfl.org/911Mgmt/911_Forms/911_AddressingOrdinance.pdf

Z

[Pturner]

Civil engineers. I should have known. They should be shot on sight without a jury trial.

[downeaster]

Thanks for sharing the results of your research, zcaveman.

I bet every emergency responder can get to any address post haste whether it is north/south, east/ west, meanders, loops, a road, an avenue, etc., or any combination of the preceding. It's part of their training. That is why you may see a fire truck cruising through the 'hood for no apparent reason.

Thanks again, z.

[Russ_Boston]

When I worked on the fire department we used to have little quizzes just for fun. Someone would name a street and you had to identify a cross section street. OK, I know, that's lame. But we had lots of time to kill between calls.

[chuckinca]

If it is a system to make it easy for emergency personnel what is easier than running numbers consecutively?

Who ever heard of an "avenue road" or a "place road" or 98th being followed by 47th?

Goofballs!


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[Taltarzac]

Drive up to Ocala and look at the addresses around the downtown area. All the 4 quadrants seem to converge around Ocala's downtown. It gets very confusing when you have a low address as there could be 4 of them in that area that look very similar except for the NE, NW, SE, and SW.

[zcaveman]

That is why I like to use Google maps (or one of those map apps) to find the place I want to go. I map it and look at it and, if necessary, print out the instructions.