"Stimulus Check" for my deceased father.

[EdFNJ]

My widower father passed away in March 2018 but I did file his final 2018 tax return for him and it was marked deceased and his SS immediately stopped. Today I got a stimulus check for him with his name c/o my name & address. I understand that this happens and I did shred it but right next to his name on the check it says DECEASED (actually DECD) so they KNOW he's in tax free living now. That's the part I can't understand because any 1st year programmer could easily have added "if account marked DECEASED do not send check." I wonder how many of these get cashed. Admittedly I was tempted after reading a lot of legal posts about this online but I felt the gov't needed it more than me so it got shredded. :D :D The Trumpster and his Mnyuchin says "we'll get the money back" so I'm sure they would have paid me a visit. ;)

[Topspinmo]

Great, thousands out of work can’t get the check and they are sending them out to the deceased. On par with any federal ran program I see.

[Sail41]

If he was alive when they approved the payments, I would think the estate is still entitled to the money.

[alwann]

I read that a woman in England -- a British citizen -- got a check. Maybe she had earned income in the US at some point and filed. Even so, it's clear the system has flaws. I imagine some government operations are short-staffed, and this may have an effect. Also, due to the vacancies, some GS15s may have to fill in and have no clue how to do the grunt work.:D

[rjm1cc]

I think the answer is that although you have many skilled employees not all employees have the needed skills for the tasks assigned . Normal testing and review of the software was probably not possible but I could see errors happening in the best of times. The states problem with unemployment should give you an idea as to there ability to compete with the private industry who would be out of business if they did the same.

[Number 10 GI]

People were demanding something be done NOW so they did something NOW. When you rush developing and executing a plan errors happen, sometimes big errors. Now all the critics can gleefully beat the drum on how incompetent the government is.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I still haven't gotten my stimulus check yet. But the website still says I'm eligible and the money will be deposited into my account ending in (....) when the funds are released, and that the webpage I"m looking at will change to reflect the deposit.

Maybe by the time it comes I won't actually need it anymore.

[EdFNJ]

If he was alive when they approved the payments, I would think the estate is still entitled to the money.
As my original post stated he passed away in MARCH OF 2018 so I would assume he wasn't entitled to the money.

[EdFNJ]

People were demanding something be done NOW so they did something NOW. When you rush developing and executing a plan errors happen, sometimes big errors. Now all the critics can gleefully beat the drum on how incompetent the government is. I agree but his check was marked DECEASED. DECEASED are not supposed to get checks. It's not like he passed away a month or 2 ago and the gov't records updates were still in limbo it's been close to 2.5 YEARS.

Edit: Can you imagine the financial loss if every deceased person who died sometime in 2018 (had a 2018 tax form filed) got a $1200 check? It seems likely that is what could have happened because it makes no sense they just randomly in error chose him.

[Topspinmo]

I agree but his check was marked DECEASED. DECEASED are not supposed to get checks. It's not like he passed away a month or 2 ago and the gov't records updates were still in limbo it's been close to 2.5 YEARS.

Edit: Can you imagine the financial loss if every deceased person who died sometime in 2018 (had a 2018 tax form filed) got a $1200 check? It seems likely that is what could have happened because it makes no sense they just randomly in error chose him.

Why not, they can vote! :ohdear:

[DAN48]

People were demanding something be done NOW so they did something NOW. When you rush developing and executing a plan errors happen, sometimes big errors. Now all the critics can gleefully beat the drum on how incompetent the government is.

The above quote is absolutely right! The Federal Government has not had to make a payment like this in over 10 years and has to send out tens of millions of unusual payments at warp speed. If the lamestream media finds one instance of a late/missing payment, they are ready to villify all concerned.

[Stu from NYC]

When has the govt ever efficiently spent our money?

[davem4616]

I get that the government was under pressure to act quickly, however even with the need to move with alacrity someone should have defined the business rules for generating checks and verified that they were incorporated into the system.

I've consulted with the NSA, DOD, EPA and will tell you that the folks in the higher levels are really bright and on the ball...but many of the 'worker-bees' under them are just going through the motions and know that they have a job for life no matter what they do / don't do.

[toeser]

My widower father passed away in March 2018 but I did file his final 2018 tax return for him and it was marked deceased and his SS immediately stopped. Today I got a stimulus check for him with his name c/o my name & address. I understand that this happens and I did shred it but right next to his name on the check it says DECEASED (actually DECD) so they KNOW he's in tax free living now. That's the part I can't understand because any 1st year programmer could easily have added "if account marked DECEASED do not send check." I wonder how many of these get cashed. Admittedly I was tempted after reading a lot of legal posts about this online but I felt the gov't needed it more than me so it got shredded. :D :D The Trumpster and his Mnyuchin says "we'll get the money back" so I'm sure they would have paid me a visit. ;)

I read someplace where the government is not going to bother going after these, so perhaps many people will find a way to cash them and do so.

I agree with you about the incompetence of our government.

[Kerry Azz]

Getting stimulated felt really good

[riley2011]

He died in 2018. He wasn’t alive when it was approved.

[Rosie1950]

I personally think the post is BULL, It would have been more believable if the poster had included a snap shot of this infamous CHECK! I also believe that CHECKS are NOT going out till ALL direct deposits are complete.
This post was a try at Political Trolling and it evidently wasn’t a try it worked!

I could however believe that people that are dying currently from anything would get a deposit because undertakers supply the government that social security #s are no longer valid. I believe undertakers are overwhelmed in quite a few areas!
Look what happened in NY with 60 bodies found in U Hauls, ya think that undertaker reported SS #s? They didn’t report they were overwhelmed.

[Bay Kid]

Now some members of...want to send 5 billion to Iran. So easy to throw Taxpayer to whoever they owe.

You think this bad wait until election time.

[EviesGP]

This is all true. I know of people getting overpaid and underpaid. When the govt tried to implement this huge massive undertaking, and tried to put stipulations on it, like tax filing, etc. Many protests erupted over some of the less well off(who don't pay taxes), not receiving anything. Needless to say, with the hysteria and urgency, the eligibility resorted to you pretty much only needed to be a name on a list somewhere?! And voila! I asked(US Sen's office) to keep the money, but merely allow me to withdraw from my retirement without the 10% penalty. So, the withdrawal made it into the law, but my retirement board has yet to allow it, and I just received DOUBLE of what I was supposed to. And the IRS has no means/methods in place, to collect it back. Good times.

[jgillette]

I got one also yesterday for my.mom who passed away in May 2018. I put hers in a drawer waiting for them to tell me where to send it back, if that ever happens. Her name also noted deceased after it.

[noslices1]

OMG, if you tore it up, the Government checkbook won’t balance.

[HawkFan]

I personally think the post is BULL, It would have been more believable if the poster had included a snap shot of this infamous CHECK! I also believe that CHECKS are NOT going out till ALL direct deposits are complete.
This post was a try at Political Trolling and it evidently wasn’t a try it worked!

I could however believe that people that are dying currently from anything would get a deposit because undertakers supply the government that social security #s are no longer valid. I believe undertakers are overwhelmed in quite a few areas!
Look what happened in NY with 60 bodies found in U Hauls, ya think that undertaker reported SS #s? They didn’t report they were overwhelmed.
This is not bull. I received a check for my mother, also deceased. On the outside of the envelope there a box to check if deceased and then drop in the mailbox.

[Dana1963]

READ The man died in 2018

[dplars]

Nothing, his signature is in the printer's software as others, just a click of a mouse all automatic.

[rothbear]

I personally think the post is BULL, It would have been more believable if the poster had included a snap shot of this infamous CHECK! I also believe that CHECKS are NOT going out till ALL direct deposits are complete.
This post was a try at Political Trolling and it evidently wasn’t a try it worked!

You are wrong. We haven't gotten ours, both on SS, and the "Get Your Payment" site says that we qualify and will get it direct deposited to our checking account, but there is NO date stated for that to happen. And yet on another site where this topic has been very active on several threads there are many people stating that they have gotten their paper checks. As well as dead people getting checks as well. So there are people out there who are supposedly still getting DDs and haven't gotten them yet. This morning our checking account has our tax refund deposit and I only did that a week ago. So they can't say they don't have our info.

[EdFNJ]

I personally think the post is BULL, It would have been more believable if the poster had included a snap shot of this infamous CHECK! I also believe that CHECKS are NOT going out till ALL direct deposits are complete.
This post was a try at Political Trolling and it evidently wasn’t a try it worked!

I could however believe that people that are dying currently from anything would get a deposit because undertakers supply the government that social security #s are no longer valid. I believe undertakers are overwhelmed in quite a few areas!
Look what happened in NY with 60 bodies found in U Hauls, ya think that undertaker reported SS #s? They didn’t report they were overwhelmed.


:1rotfl: Here ya go my sweet Rosie ........ hope this satisfies you. I scanned it before shredding just as a souvenir. In case you think I faked it note the "c/o" name vs. my username here. I should have cashed it and "deposited" the cash under my dad's headstone as I'm sure he'd have appreciated it. Would you also like a copy of his death certificate showing March 15, 2018 ? Yes, his SS was stopped immediately in March of 2018 so they obviously knew he was deceased 2+ YEARS ago.

[retiredguy123]

All of the stimulus money has not been paid yet. But, some of the money was sent to deceased people. That was an error. However, the Treasury Secretary told people to return the money sent to the deceased people. That was also wrong. The Government will be issuing specific guidance on what to do with the money sent to the deceased. But, the current advice is to keep the money until the guidance is issued. Technically, the stimulus money was supposed to be a tax credit for the 2020 tax year, so people who died in 2018 and 2019 should not have received the money.

[Linda in St. James]

I personally think the post is BULL, It would have been more believable if the poster had included a snap shot of this infamous CHECK! I also believe that CHECKS are NOT going out till ALL direct deposits are complete.
This post was a try at Political Trolling and it evidently wasn’t a try it worked!

I could however believe that people that are dying currently from anything would get a deposit because undertakers supply the government that social security #s are no longer valid. I believe undertakers are overwhelmed in quite a few areas!
Look what happened in NY with 60 bodies found in U Hauls, ya think that undertaker reported SS #s? They didn’t report they were overwhelmed.

This is not bull. We received a stimulus check via mail for my mother who passed in July 2018. We checked the "deceased" box on the envelope and dropped it in the mailbox.

[EdFNJ]

However, the Treasury Secretary told people to return the money sent to the deceased people. That was also wrong. The Government will be issuing specific guidance on what to do with the money sent to the deceased. There seems to be some legal question about them clawing it back after the fact. Do some Googling of "my deceased <fill-in-the-blank> received a stimulus check."

If your dead relative received a stimulus check, you should return it to the feds, Mnuchin says - MarketWatch (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/if-your-dead-relative-received-a-stimulus-check-you-should-return-it-to-the-feds-mnuchin-says-2020-04-29)

Partial clip from the article:

On Wednesday, Kaeding told MarketWatch that Mnuchin’s comments {regarding return of the checks} “surprised me a bit, given that the CARES Act included language that covers clerical mistakes by the IRS.”

Kaeding previously told MarketWatch, “An important provision of the [Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security] act, as it relates to these checks, is that if the IRS sends you too much money, you do not need to pay it back. It is considered a clerical or math error on behalf of the IRS. And that’s important because they were trying to issue these checks quickly.”

[Andyb]

Your the second person I know of that this has happened. Multiply this across the country and now we understand the Government waste and inadequacy. Thanks for shredding.
Just imagine how many deceased people are still voting too.

[NavyVet]

My father got his direct deposit a couple weeks ago, $2400. My mother deceased since NOV 2018 and marked as such when tax return filed in March 2019. Guess I'll be sending $1200 back, once we get instructions. Mistakes happen.

[yankygrl]

You need to contact SS and let them know about the error. I would not have shredded it until you spoke with them.

[allsport]

The IRS was not smart enough to sort out dead people, they ran checks for all that filed in 2018 and that is why they got checks.

[KathyW]

Yesterday, I also received a check for my Mother who died January 2019. It had the word "deceased" next her name.

[golfing eagles]

I read someplace where the government is not going to bother going after these, so perhaps many people will find a way to cash them and do so.

I agree with you about the incompetence of our government.

Agree. But since it is a stimulus check, if some relative cashes it and spends it----mission accomplished

[EdFNJ]

The IRS was not smart enough to sort out dead people, they ran checks for all that filed in 2018 and that is why they got checks. Yep, and there must have been 10's of thousands of them.

[Rosie1950]

:1rotfl: Here ya go my sweet Rosie ........ hope this satisfies you. I scanned it before shredding just as a souvenir. In case you think I faked it note the "c/o" name vs. my username here. I should have cashed it and "deposited" the cash under my dad's headstone as I'm sure he'd have appreciated it. Would you also like a copy of his death certificate showing March 15, 2018 ? Yes, his SS was stopped immediately in March of 2018 so they obviously knew he was deceased 2+ YEARS ago.


https://i.postimg.cc/657vqfw5/Scan2020-05-01-163332-Copy.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bshJFbsK)
So sorry for doubting u. Also sorry for ur loss. Another poster said there is a box to check on the envelope for a deceased person and drop back in the mailbox. You must have missed the note, otherwise I’m sure u would not have shredded it.

[valuemkt]

The perfect is the enemy of the good .. The same people that complain about checks that are sent incorrectly would complain about waiting months and months for THEIR check .. or how it was 59 cents off .. Some of the measures taken to minimize the impact of this crisis were done in record time. But of course no one talks about the millions of checks that reached people .. Likewise the unemployment snafus .. Yep, maybe Florida should have updated their systems years ago .. maybe they could have instituted an income tax to update those systems that have been deemed adequate for "normal" times too ..

[retiredguy123]

The perfect is the enemy of the good .. The same people that complain about checks that are sent incorrectly would complain about waiting months and months for THEIR check .. or how it was 59 cents off .. Some of the measures taken to minimize the impact of this crisis were done in record time. But of course no one talks about the millions of checks that reached people .. Likewise the unemployment snafus .. Yep, maybe Florida should have updated their systems years ago .. maybe they could have instituted an income tax to update those systems that have been deemed adequate for "normal" times too ..
Well, you can mark me down as someone who is not okay with sending $1,200 of taxpayer money to dead people who are not eligible for it, and whose relatives or whoever has access to the account can keep the money and spend it. Yes, I am complaining about that.

Also, passing a law that gives employees more income to sit home and not work, even if their employers have work for them to do. So, the employer needs to hire a new employee to replace the employee who is being paid more money to not work. I am complaining about that too.

[Nick B]

Well, you can mark me down as someone who is not okay with sending $1,200 of taxpayer money to dead people who are not eligible for it, and whose relatives or whoever has access to the account can keep the money and spend it. Yes, I am complaining about that.

Also, passing a law that gives employees more income to sit home and not work, even if their employers have work for them to do. So, the employer needs to hire a new employee to replace the employee who is being paid more money to not work. I am complaining about that too.
How do figure this happens if work is available you can't choose to sit home and not go back.

[retiredguy123]

How do figure this happens if work is available you can't choose to sit home and not go back.
The CARES Act changed the rules for unemployment compensation. As I understand it, the employee can choose to not go back to work. They can even quit and still collect unemployment until the end of July.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Well, you can mark me down as someone who is not okay with sending $1,200 of taxpayer money to dead people who are not eligible for it, and whose relatives or whoever has access to the account can keep the money and spend it. Yes, I am complaining about that.

Also, passing a law that gives employees more income to sit home and not work, even if their employers have work for them to do. So, the employer needs to hire a new employee to replace the employee who is being paid more money to not work. I am complaining about that too.

Once again - this fake news goes around. Try and keep up -

Employees don't get more money to sit home and not work, even if their employers have work for them to do.

If they are recalled to their jobs and refuse to go, their unemployment is CUT OFF and they risk having to repay whatever they already received. It is a potential consequence of refusing to return to work.

[retiredguy123]

Once again - this fake news goes around. Try and keep up -

Employees don't get more money to sit home and not work, even if their employers have work for them to do.

If they are recalled to their jobs and refuse to go, their unemployment is CUT OFF and they risk having to repay whatever they already received. It is a potential consequence of refusing to return to work.
Not fake news. Here are the special eligibility "loopholes" to collect unemployment benefits under the CARES Act.

To be eligible for this special expansion of benefits, individuals must provide self-certification to the state that they are (1) partially or fully unemployed, or (2) unable and unavailable to work because:

1. They have been diagnosed with COVID-19 or have symptoms of it and seeking diagnosis.
2. A member of their household has been diagnosed with COVID-19.
3. They are providing care for a family or household member diagnosed with COVID-19.
4. A child or other person in the household for whom they have primary caregiving responsibility is unable to attend school or another facility that is closed as a direct result of the COVID-19 health emergency, and such school or facility care is required for the individual to work.
5. They cannot reach the place of employment because of a quarantine imposed as a direct result of the COVID-19 health emergency.
6. They were scheduled to start employment and do not have a job or cannot reach their place of employment as a result of the COVID-19 public health emergency.
7. They have become the breadwinner or major support for a household because the head of household has died as a direct result of COVID-19.
8. They had to quit their job as a direct result of the COVID-19 public health emergency.
9. Their place of employment is closed as a direct result of the COVID-19 public health emergency.
10. They meet other criteria established by the Secretary of Labor.

Can anyone cite a specific example where someone collecting unemployment benefits under the CARES Act had their benefits CUT OFF?

[nn0wheremann]

A friend of mine in Texas got one for his deceased mother. He did some research. The law was passed without a claw-back provision. He deposited it into his mother's estate's bank account. Just another instance where Congress has stopped doing its job, writing legislation, and handed it over to the lobbyists, while they vote for bills they have not even bothered to read. Lunacy!!!

[Nucky]

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[dpmers]

We filed and paid our 18 & 19 income tax, didnt earn anything near the $150K. Never had a refund, hence the IRS has no router # or acct #, but they send SS checks direct deposit. Still no stimulus check. Govt at its best!!

[Bill32]

recieved my moms this week, checked the box on the envelope and sent it back....she passed in Jan 2020...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We filed and paid our 18 & 19 income tax, didnt earn anything near the $150K. Never had a refund, hence the IRS has no router # or acct #, but they send SS checks direct deposit. Still no stimulus check. Govt at its best!!

You'll get a stimulus check after everyone who provided their bank info gets theirs. You should check with the IRS.gov website under "get my payment" and input your social security number, birthdate, and address. If you're eligible, it'll change to a different web page that says so and offers you the opportunity to input your bank account info.

Once you do that, your info will be processed and within a couple of weeks you'll get a notification verifying a date that the funds will be electronically deposited into your account.

OR - you can do nothing, and within the next few months, you'll get a paper check.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Not fake news. Here are the special eligibility "loopholes" to collect unemployment benefits under the CARES Act.

...

Can anyone cite a specific example where someone collecting unemployment benefits under the CARES Act had their benefits CUT OFF?

If a state rescinds their state's emergency and says "our state is now back open, you may all return to work" then...

Anyone who has NOT been diagnosed or has symptoms and seeking diagnosis, whose household has NOT experienced COVID-19 - and therefore has not had anyone in the household die as a result of it...

will not be eligible because the state has declared that businesses are now open for employment again and that means #4 is no longer applicable, neither is #5, or #6, or #8, or #9.

And therefore - if they refuse to return to work when called back, their claim for unemployment is invalidated.

[retiredguy123]

If a state rescinds their state's emergency and says "our state is now back open, you may all return to work" then...

Anyone who has NOT been diagnosed or has symptoms and seeking diagnosis, whose household has NOT experienced COVID-19 - and therefore has not had anyone in the household die as a result of it...

will not be eligible because the state has declared that businesses are now open for employment again and that means #4 is no longer applicable, neither is #5, or #6, or #8, or #9.

And therefore - if they refuse to return to work when called back, their claim for unemployment is invalidated.
Technically, I agree. But, to me, the key phrase is "self certification". And, these special rules only apply until the end of July. I don't think many employers are going to want to force employees to come back who don't want to work. I guess we will see how aggressive the rules are enforced, especially since most of the money comes from Federal funds.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

He died in 2018. He wasn’t alive when it was approved.
Since 2010 congress which was under republican control has made cuts in IRS budget that adjusted for inflation equal 25% and have limit d staffing for enforcement by 1/3 even the president has said we maybe have gone to far , many of you want government out of your life and now complain that the government can’t get a massive project done in record time without some mistakes, just check the box
and maybe think about the hard job there doing

[OhioBuckeye]

If he was alive when they approved the payments, I would think the estate is still entitled to the money.

That’s correct!

[Number 10 GI]

When has the govt ever efficiently spent our money?

The government is very efficient at spending money, it lacks judgement when it comes to spending it wisely.

[Shutterbug]

I agree but his check was marked DECEASED. DECEASED are not supposed to get checks. It's not like he passed away a month or 2 ago and the gov't records updates were still in limbo it's been close to 2.5 YEARS.

Edit: Can you imagine the financial loss if every deceased person who died sometime in 2018 (had a 2018 tax form filed) got a $1200 check? It seems likely that is what could have happened because it makes no sense they just randomly in error chose him.

All you have to do is let your deceased father vote in November.

[JP]

I got a check addressed to my deceased Mom at her Village address but it also had my name on it. She died March, 2018. Like everyone else on this post says, the check has dcsd after her name. I'm just going to keep it as a memento of these times.

[Fredman]

I personally think the post is BULL, It would have been more believable if the poster had included a snap shot of this infamous CHECK! I also believe that CHECKS are NOT going out till ALL direct deposits are complete.
This post was a try at Political Trolling and it evidently wasn’t a try it worked!

I could however believe that people that are dying currently from anything would get a deposit because undertakers supply the government that social security #s are no longer valid. I believe undertakers are overwhelmed in quite a few areas!
Look what happened in NY with 60 bodies found in U Hauls, ya think that undertaker reported SS #s? They didn’t report they were overwhelmed.
Sorry but you are wrong about the correctness of the post. My deceased mother-in-law also received a stimulus check.

[mydavid]

I doubt that's true.

[gsmchugh]

My mother died in 2018. My father just received a combined stimulus check for 2,400 that clearly indicated with a DECD on the check. What should he do with the check being that he is only entitled to 1,200?

[retiredguy123]

My mother died in 2018. My father just received a combined stimulus check for 2,400 that clearly indicated with a DECD on the check. What should he do with the check being that he is only entitled to 1,200?
The current advice is to hold on to the money until the Government issues specific guidance on what to do.

[Topspinmo]

I get that the government was under pressure to act quickly, however even with the need to move with alacrity someone should have defined the business rules for generating checks and verified that they were incorporated into the system.

I've consulted with the NSA, DOD, EPA and will tell you that the folks in the higher levels are really bright and on the ball...but many of the 'worker-bees' under them are just going through the motions and know that they have a job for life no matter what they do / don't do.

Really, most was put in position through nepotism or political appointments don’t have clue what worker bee’s are doing.

[Topspinmo]

Since 2010 congress which was under republican control has made cuts in IRS budget that adjusted for inflation equal 25% and have limit d staffing for enforcement by 1/3 even the president has said we maybe have gone to far , many of you want government out of your life and now complain that the government can’t get a massive project done in record time without some mistakes, just check the box
and maybe think about the hard job there doing

Congress should of got rid Of IRS and when to flat tax with no deductions for the wealthy. Politicians lawyers make tax laws for who every lobbied the most.

[gsmchugh]

Thanks.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Our stimulus funds were deposited in our bank account this morning, yay! Already spent some of it last night at Gator's Dockside and gave our waitress almost 50% tip - we were her first customer since returning to work and we wanted her to celebrate it. Plus she gave us ice cream to celebrate our anniversary!

[Bay Kid]

My friends father died last year. The estate paid taxes last year and received a stimulus check. The CPA told them to keep the money.

[polaris]

The IRS has issued guidance for returning stimulus checks.

Economic Impact Payment Information Center | Internal Revenue Service (https://www.irs.gov/coronavirus/economic-impact-payment-information-center)

Scroll down to Q41 for the information.

[Decadeofdave]

I got my father's check also. Passed Jan 2019. (94 years)This is proves the government is not a good steward with our money.