Driving in excess of 10 mph, SHAME ON YOU!

[jacksonbrown]

This morning, I witnessed the most egregious, rude, careless AND dangerous behavior of a golf cart driver in my many years of bicycle riding in The Villages.

Traveling south from the intersection of Morse and 446, with little traffic, I crossed the Lake Sumter bridge. Actually, it is safer for me to ride the road (helmeted, lights and colorful clothing), at speed (nearly 20 mph), than negotiate the narrow two lane MMP.

The carts on the MMP, also going south, were traveling parallel to me (near 20 mph). Just as I reached the start of the 10 MPH zone, an older gent, in a cart, passed two recreational "townie" cyclists, a man and a woman, so close, that the pair had to pull off the MMP, onto the grass.

I have witnessed, and been subjected to the same behavior, the cart drivers don't want to be "stuck" behind any other vehicles, runners, or walkers on this dangerous MMP.

Then, he raced through the 10 MPH zone, followed by three or four other carts, all going faster than 19-20 MPH, which was showing on my speedometer.

So, be on the lookout for an older gentleman, goatee, with a 12" Pittsburg Steelers decal, driving a fast cart.

I sure will!

[Two Bills]

Those beardies are dangerous!

[retiredguy123]

I hope you meant speedometer, not speedo.

[golfing eagles]

I'm sure those idiots are feeling "shamed" right now:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Actually, it's not really funny, they could have caused you serious harm

[Vikingjunior]

That bridge is to dam narrow. Ride on the sidewalk.

[Gerald]

The paths are for all, walking, bikes, carts. Respect everyone and give them some space. What the heck is everyone trying to go so fast for anyway. Look around the villages is beautiful, stop sometimes and relax. Go slow there is so much to see.

[Topspinmo]

The paths are for all, walking, bikes, carts. Respect everyone and give them some space. What the heck is everyone trying to go so fast for anyway. Look around the villages is beautiful, stop sometimes and relax. Go slow there is so much to see.

Got to get to next tee time! :MOJE_whot:

[VApeople]

This morning, I witnessed the most egregious, rude, careless AND dangerous behavior of a golf cart driver in my many years of bicycle riding in The Villages.

Seriously, did you expect any other kind of behavior?

[perrjojo]

Seriously, did you expect any other kind of behavior?
Yes!

[Bogie Shooter]

Probably no more than cart drivers.
Full disclosure I don’t ride a bike, but drive a cart.

[VApeople]

Seriously, did you expect any other kind of behavior?

Yes!

OK, good answer.

After the experience described by the OP, what kind of behavior do you expect from cart drivers in the future?

[shut the front door]

I hope you weren't the biker on that bridge with me today. Every time there was a chance to pass, the biker moved left and straddled the line so that no one could pass.
Then, when we finally got around after the bridge, I stopped at the stop sign in my cart, waited for one car to pass then pulled out. To my surprise, the bicyclist had caught up, passed the golf carts waiting at the stop sign, didn't stop and weaved out in front of me while I was making my right turn.
I have been in TV for 10 years and I have NEVER seen a cyclist stop at a stop sign. But this one deserved whatever he will get. And he will get it soon enough, and all the cyclists will blame everyone else.

[Polar Bear]

...all the cyclists will blame everyone else.
I had sympathy for you as I read your post...until that last statement.

[DAN48]

The paths are for all, walking, bikes, carts. Respect everyone and give them some space. What the heck is everyone trying to go so fast for anyway. Look around the villages is beautiful, stop sometimes and relax. Go slow there is so much to see.

It doesn't cause any inconvenience to have respect for each other! Aren't we all retired-so what's the hurry.

[iht2209]

I don’t condone that behavior BUT no one who rides a bike in the villages adheres to ANY RULES OF THE ROAD....so stop whining

[George Page]

A Steelers fan, that explains it!

[tsmall22204]

You are so correct. SLOW DOWN and enjoy life.

[Skunky1]

Seems like if that’s a hotspot law-enforcement should set up observance stations and get out of the parking lots. If law enforcement were to issue more tickets to the cart drivers it would stop that behavior. A friend of mine failed to stop at a stop sign While driving his cart and received a $300 ticket.

[Girlcopper]

Seems like if that’s a hotspot law-enforcement should set up observance stations and get out of the parking lots. If law enforcement were to issue more tickets to the cart drivers it would stop that behavior. A friend of mine failed to stop at a stop sign While driving his cart and received a $300 ticket.

Yeah. Once again, lets call the cops. How about the ignorant people just act like adults and follow the law. Cops got better things to do than chase after old people on bikes and in carts

[davem4616]

defensive driving is becoming more and more important....

the nuts are out there

[toeser]

This morning, I witnessed the most egregious, rude, careless AND dangerous behavior of a golf cart driver in my many years of bicycle riding in The Villages.

Traveling south from the intersection of Morse and 446, with little traffic, I crossed the Lake Sumter bridge. Actually, it is safer for me to ride the road (helmeted, lights and colorful clothing), at speed (nearly 20 mph), than negotiate the narrow two lane MMP.

The carts on the MMP, also going south, were traveling parallel to me (near 20 mph). Just as I reached the start of the 10 MPH zone, an older gent, in a cart, passed two recreational "townie" cyclists, a man and a woman, so close, that the pair had to pull off the MMP, onto the grass.

I have witnessed, and been subjected to the same behavior, the cart drivers don't want to be "stuck" behind any other vehicles, runners, or walkers on this dangerous MMP.

Then, he raced through the 10 MPH zone, followed by three or four other carts, all going faster than 19-20 MPH, which was showing on my speedometer.

So, be on the lookout for an older gentleman, goatee, with a 12" Pittsburg Steelers decal, driving a fast cart.

I sure will!

I typically bike 25-50 miles per day. I see a bad example of cart driving at least every other day. The latest was meeting a cart head-on while coming around a blind corner on a multi-modal path. It was an ambassador and he was 100% in my lane. The paths are always the most dangerous where a multi-modal path is shared with an executive golf course. So many golfers come whipping onto the path without even looking.

[Bay Kid]

He probably had to hurry to pee.

[golfing eagles]

I typically bike 25-50 miles per day. I see a bad example of cart driving at least every other day. The latest was meeting a cart head-on while coming around a blind corner on a multi-modal path. It was an ambassador and he was 100% in my lane. The paths are always the most dangerous where a multi-modal path is shared with an executive golf course. So many golfers come whipping onto the path without even looking.

The rest of us see examples of bad bicycle driving ten times a day. I hope you are the exception.

[Travelingal702]

Yes!
Don't tar EVERYBODY with the same brush!!

[Skunky1]

What we need here is some proactive law-enforcement.

[jacksonbrown]

Having cycled on the road for the better part of 50 years, I am used to non--cyclists complaing that we "blast through" stop signs.

This article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop), with forty-two (42) citations, discusses why some cycle friendly states have legislated an answer.

[golfing eagles]

Having cycled on the road for the better part of 50 years, I am used to non--cyclists complaing that we "blast through" stop signs.

This article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop), with forty-two (42) citations, discusses why some cycle friendly states have legislated an answer.

So in 50 years you haven't learned the meaning of a STOP sign yet??????? I guess you're lucky you never encountered a car WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY who didn't see or anticipate you VIOLATING THE LAW.

[Bill1701]

It doesn't cause any inconvenience to have respect for each other! Aren't we all retired-so what's the hurry.

You 'we are all retired so slow down' people are a joke. First, not everyone here is retired. Second, those of us who are did not come here to slow down. We came for the activities and life style. That said, I do think that many of the cart drivers here are rude and break the law often. Until the powers that be start enforcing the laws, nothing will happen. It is the same with the bad parking.

[jacksonbrown]

So in 50 years you haven't learned the meaning of a STOP sign yet??????? I guess you're lucky you never encountered a car WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY who didn't see or anticipate you VIOLATING THE LAW.

Did you read this article?

Idaho stop - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop)

BTW, shouting doesn't make your assertion more credible. :icon_wink:

[Joe C.]

Speed limits are there for a reason. Sometimes, it appears that they are a bit lower than they need to be.

But people are impatient sometimes, and I understand why.
WE ARE OLD, and most of our lives are behind us. Time is of the essence, and one minute wasted going too slow, is like an hour in dog years.
BTW......we know that the Villages is supposed to be the friendliest hometown, but it is also home to the worst drivers, worst parkers, and the most jaywalkers in the world.

[golfing eagles]

Did you read this article?

Idaho stop - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop)

BTW, shouting doesn't make your assertion more credible. :icon_wink:

DO YOU THINK YOU LIVE IN IDAHO????? Shouted that as well:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bill Harlan]

Bike paths are not for walking . Ask a cop

[TJ_Woody]

is golf carts passing cyclists on the Morse Avenue bridge. I ride a recumbent trike due to neck problems. I have been passed on the bridge more than once. I’m usually traveling about 10-12 mph, so yes, I’m speeding! However, as narrow as the multimodal path is on the bridge, passing presents a danger to both the cyclist and the cart driver. Any error in judgment or failure of cart mechanics can send the cart right into the cyclist, with likely serious injuries. When I am on the cart paths and a cart comes behind me I always move as far to the right as I can and wave them by when it’s safe to do so, except for on the bridge. I always try to be courteous to carts, after all they’re bigger than me!

[Topspinmo]

A Steelers fan, that explains it!


O come on! We know Yankees fans are much worse:):boxing2:

[Scorpyo]

Yeah. Once again, lets call the cops. How about the ignorant people just act like adults and follow the law. Cops got better things to do than chase after old people on bikes and in carts
Ignorant people - Act like adults / Ignorant people / Follow the law
Seems like Oxymorons to me. LOL

[jamorela]

A Steelers fan, that explains it!

Here we go, Steelers! Here we go!

[The Man]

I drive a golf cart and I ride a bicycle. Regardless of which one I’m using I try to be courteous to others.
Wouldn’t that solve most problems on the MM paths? It’s all about good manners.

[toeser]

Having cycled on the road for the better part of 50 years, I am used to non--cyclists complaing that we "blast through" stop signs.

This article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop), with forty-two (42) citations, discusses why some cycle friendly states have legislated an answer.

That is a smart, smart law. I have bicycled for many tens of thousands of miles, all accident free. I yield to cars, golf carts, pedestrians, and ducks. However, if I approach a stop sign and no traffic is around (and I carefully look at least twice), I'm going through it. I have survived by being where cars are not. Coming to a full stop and then building the momentum to get through the intersection takes valuable time, exposing me to a greater possibility that a car will arrive.

Car and golf cart drivers (I drive a car, a golf cart, ride a bicycle, and fly a plane) don't seem to appreciate that when on my bicycle, I have 180 degrees of visibility without even turning my head. I don't go through stop signs 20 mph, more like 5-10 mph. If done right, it's safer for everyone.

[OhioBuckeye]

This morning, I witnessed the most egregious, rude, careless AND dangerous behavior of a golf cart driver in my many years of bicycle riding in The Villages.

Traveling south from the intersection of Morse and 446, with little traffic, I crossed the Lake Sumter bridge. Actually, it is safer for me to ride the road (helmeted, lights and colorful clothing), at speed (nearly 20 mph), than negotiate the narrow two lane MMP.

The carts on the MMP, also going south, were traveling parallel to me (near 20 mph). Just as I reached the start of the 10 MPH zone, an older gent, in a cart, passed two recreational "townie" cyclists, a man and a woman, so close, that the pair had to pull off the MMP, onto the grass.

I have witnessed, and been subjected to the same behavior, the cart drivers don't want to be "stuck" behind any other vehicles, runners, or walkers on this dangerous MMP.

Then, he raced through the 10 MPH zone, followed by three or four other carts, all going faster than 19-20 MPH, which was showing on my speedometer.

So, be on the lookout for an older gentleman, goatee, with a 12" Pittsburg Steelers decal, driving a fast cart.

I sure will!

Jacksonbrown, I lived in TV for 8 yrs. & this is probably the most asked comment or complaint that I’ve seen over the 8 yrs. that I lived there. Save your breath because TV & law enforcement doesn’t do anything to slow the carts down. Just let the speeders do what they want & you just keep doing what’s right! Coming here won’t slow them down. Stay safe & god bless!

[bumpygreens]

The reason the speed limit on the Morse bridge is 10mph is because it's narrow and has tall curbs on both sides of the path. There is nowhere to bale to avoid a collision if the person coming toward you is over the centerline. Two carts crashing head-on would have the force of running into a wall at 20mph. At 20mph, those same carts have an impact equal to hitting a wall at 40mph...not nearly as survivable. Of course, a collision would likely be off-center, and the faster moving cart would likely flip to the right. If you are going the speed limit, you probably will be able to call an ambulance for the guy who was speeding...when you get around to it.

[Curtisbwp]

Bicycles on the morse bridge are dangerous. Due to their low speed and unpredictable and dangerous inability to fully control their bike.

[BobnBev]

If the jerko behind me in a cart wants to speed, he's going to learn what it means to drive slow. Try to bully me out of the way and see what happens to the front of your cart. It won't be pretty.:boxing2:

[B-flat]

The paths are for all, walking, bikes, carts. Respect everyone and give them some space. What the heck is everyone trying to go so fast for anyway. Look around the villages is beautiful, stop sometimes and relax. Go slow there is so much to see.

We wonder the same thing too when out on the golf cart late afternoon. I usually maintain between 12 and 18 mph depending where we are because we are out to enjoy the ride. We wonder why both younger than us and older than us are in such a hurry at 6 PM to get where they are going? I've been traveling at close to 20 at times and people drive by me like I'm standing still. I can't help but thinking maybe they have been tipping a few drinks and are a bit under the influence.

[photo1902]

If the jerko behind me in a cart wants to speed, he's going to learn what it means to drive slow. Try to bully me out of the way and see what happens to the front of your cart. It won't be pretty.:boxing2:

Two wrongs make a right? Surrrrrreeeee.

Here's an idea, tough guy, how about simply pulling over slightly and waving them past?

[tvbound]

Speed limits are there for a reason. Sometimes, it appears that they are a bit lower than they need to be.

But people are impatient sometimes, and I understand why.
WE ARE OLD, and most of our lives are behind us. Time is of the essence, and one minute wasted going too slow, is like an hour in dog years.
BTW......we know that the Villages is supposed to be the friendliest hometown, but it is also home to the worst drivers, worst parkers, and the most jaywalkers in the world.
Since we haven't been "everywhere in the world" I can't make the same claim as in your last sentence, but after the more than three months total of renting, there does seem to be some credence to the observation that TV has a lot of "bad drivers, bad parking and a lot of jaywalker's." We can't wait to move and change our lifelong ways of trying to follow the rules, because it looks like it's a lot more fun. lol

[Polar Bear]

...no one who rides a bike in the villages adheres to ANY RULES OF THE ROAD...
So ridiculous.

[Gpsma]

Jacksonbrown, I lived in TV for 8 yrs. & this is probably the most asked comment or complaint that I’ve seen over the 8 yrs. that I lived there. Save your breath because TV & law enforcement doesn’t do anything to slow the carts down. Just let the speeders do what they want & you just keep doing what’s right! Coming here won’t slow them down. Stay safe & god bless!

My club had a Lt from Sumter Count Sheriff Dept give a talk.

He clearly said we do NOT enforce traffic laws on the paths...we only will enforce DWI on them

[Bogie Shooter]

I hope you weren't the biker on that bridge with me today. Every time there was a chance to pass, the biker moved left and straddled the line so that no one could pass.
Then, when we finally got around after the bridge, I stopped at the stop sign in my cart, waited for one car to pass then pulled out. To my surprise, the bicyclist had caught up, passed the golf carts waiting at the stop sign, didn't stop and weaved out in front of me while I was making my right turn.
I have been in TV for 10 years and I have NEVER seen a cyclist stop at a stop sign. But this one deserved whatever he will get. And he will get it soon enough, and all the cyclists will blame everyone else.
Such a big hurry that you have to pass on that bridge???

[Topspinmo]

Speed limits are there for a reason. Sometimes, it appears that they are a bit lower than they need to be.

But people are impatient sometimes, and I understand why.
WE ARE OLD, and most of our lives are behind us. Time is of the essence, and one minute wasted going too slow, is like an hour in dog years.
BTW......we know that the Villages is supposed to be the friendliest hometown, but it is also home to the worst drivers, worst parkers, and the most jaywalkers in the world.


Villagers are from all over the world. Moving here not going to change their habits.

[Win1894]

Speed limits are there for a reason. Sometimes, it appears that they are a bit lower than they need to be.

But people are impatient sometimes, and I understand why.
WE ARE OLD, and most of our lives are behind us. Time is of the essence, and one minute wasted going too slow, is like an hour in dog years.
BTW......we know that the Villages is supposed to be the friendliest hometown, but it is also home to the worst drivers, worst parkers, and the most jaywalkers in the world.

Having lived and driven in many different countries and states I would have to agree that Floridians are among the worst drivers. Statistics in the US seem to back this up where Florida always ranks in the top 5 worst driver states and number 1 or 2 in the most car crashes.

[npwalters]

Having lived and driven in many different countries and states I would have to agree that Floridians are among the worst drivers. Statistics in the US seem to back this up where Florida always ranks in the top 5 worst driver states and number 1 or 2 in the most car crashes.

I don't disagree but I believe its because Floridians (especially around here) are not from Florida.

[roscoguy]

I don’t condone that behavior BUT no one who rides a bike in the villages adheres to ANY RULES OF THE ROAD....so stop whining

Yep, they're getting nearly as bad as golf cart drivers! :ohdear:

[bpascani]

Well, when you see me on that bridge, you will have to slow down. I WILL NOT be going over 10mph where posted, and my golf cart is probably way to big for you to try to run over or pass!....just saying......BREATHE....Relax, and enjoy the scenery (AND, if you are worried about a stupid tee time, just leave an extra 15 min more that required under normal traffic speeds!!

[BobnBev]

Well, when you see me on that bridge, you will have to slow down. I WILL NOT be going over 10mph where posted, and my golf cart is probably way to big for you to try to run over or pass!....just saying......BREATHE....Relax, and enjoy the scenery (AND, if you are worried about a stupid tee time, just leave an extra 15 min more that required under normal traffic speeds!!

Amen.

[dewilson58]

Two wrongs make a right? Surrrrrreeeee.

Here's an idea, tough guy, how about simply pulling over slightly and waving them past?


What is funny, he is at post 1902.


:MOJE_whot:

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Unless there are no cars coming the other way so you can make a wide pass of bicycle guy . Why do you have to pass him on bridge he was just protecting himself and he has the right to be on roadway, and please don’t say be on that golf cart part of the bridge if you fall you’ll be run over by the speeding golf carts tailgating youn

[chrisinva]

iht2209 - guess you haven't met me. I am a regular cyclist. I stop at all stop signs & look both ways, then take off when it's safe. . When I see a golf cart in my rear view mirror, I stop pedaling so the cart can more quickly pass me - it's safer for them & me. Even though I am cruising nicely on a downhill, I brake before the curve into the tunnel, just in case a cart is coming in the opposite direction & maybe, just maybe, a little over the line. I wear a helmet & have front & rear lights. Life is too short for us to have a disagreement.

[golfing eagles]

Well, when you see me on that bridge, you will have to slow down. I WILL NOT be going over 10mph where posted, and my golf cart is probably way to big for you to try to run over or pass!....just saying......BREATHE....Relax, and enjoy the scenery (AND, if you are worried about a stupid tee time, just leave an extra 15 min more that required under normal traffic speeds!!

You don't know that until somebody tries it!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[photo1902]

You don't know that until somebody tries it!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I just want to see this oversized golf cart which must be straight out of a Mad Max movie :)

[Daddymac]

I never saw a Safe person riding a Bike yet in TV. They run stop sign they speed and they think they Own the Road. Is they bad drivers in Golf carts ~ Yes. Are they bad riders on Bikes ~ Yes. But the winner is Bike Riders!!

[golfing eagles]

I just want to see this oversized golf cart which must be straight out of a Mad Max movie :)

I'll bet a RPG could take it out:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: