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Olyarchik
05-06-2020, 07:04 PM
My husband and I moved to Marsh Bend from St Charles a year ago.
We love our house and the neighborhood with it's parks but we really feel like second class citizens. Our agent told us that the golf cart bridge over the highway and our shopping center would be finished in the fall of 2019. Neither were finished and now they are putting the bridge over 44 to Chitty Chatty tonight. That Village was started six months after ours was completed. What gives? Have they forgotten about Marsh Bend and Fenny?

Michael Charles
05-06-2020, 07:30 PM
My husband and I moved to Marsh Bend from St Charles a year ago.
We love our house and the neighborhood with it's parks but we really feel like second class citizens. Our agent told us that the golf cart bridge over the highway and our shopping center would be finished in the fall of 2019. Neither were finished and now they are putting the bridge over 44 to Chitty Chatty tonight. That Village was started six months after ours was completed. What gives? Have they forgotten about Marsh Bend and Fenny?

Just because the bridge is being moved across Route 44 doesn't mean that it will be useable anytime soon. No one lives in Chitty Chatty yet and even if it did there are no ramps yet ready for traffic to cross. We're in McClure and we can't get over to Chitty Chatty because of the turnpike. We just get in our nice comfortable air conditioned car and go get our groceries.

Patience grasshopper, patience. Soon you'll be able to ride your golf cart all the way to Spanish Springs but for now just relax and think about the less fortunate people that are dealing with real issues like paying the rent and feeding their kids instead of that you can't go over the highway on your golf cart. I feel sorry for you.

rustyp
05-06-2020, 07:35 PM
I have a bridge to sell you.

DARFAP
05-06-2020, 07:40 PM
People can't be seriously planning on driving golf carts all the way from down south.

tvbound
05-06-2020, 07:48 PM
My husband and I moved to Marsh Bend from St Charles a year ago.
We love our house and the neighborhood with it's parks but we really feel like second class citizens. Our agent told us that the golf cart bridge over the highway and our shopping center would be finished in the fall of 2019. Neither were finished and now they are putting the bridge over 44 to Chitty Chatty tonight. That Village was started six months after ours was completed. What gives? Have they forgotten about Marsh Bend and Fenny?

Since we didn't spend a lot of time looking around down there and am totally unfamiliar with where each village is exactly located (just using the various maps to try and orient), please excuse me if I ask some dumb questions.

As I understand your post, they are putting the second bridge over 44 (there's one over it now called Brownwood, correct)? Is there even a bridge over the Turnpike yet (Water Lily?), so that Fenney (and where you live) can even access the 44 bridges? If not, I would guess there's more issues getting one across the freeway than putting a second one over 44 (Chitty-Chatty?), so they decided to do that first. Or they figure they've already sold a lot of houses on the other side of the freeway and are just trying to make the villages still under construction more attractive for future sales? Are there even any finished and occupied homes, that can use either of the bridges (assuming there's two now) over 44 yet?

I can certainly understand your frustration though, if they are giving access to villages started after you've already been where you are for more than a year now.

Good luck.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
05-06-2020, 09:25 PM
People can't be seriously planning on driving golf carts all the way from down south.

Why not? I take my golf cart everywhere. My car gets use when I have to carry a lot of equipment or go outside The Villages which is about once a week.

EdFNJ
05-06-2020, 10:20 PM
Why not? I take my golf cart everywhere. My car gets use when I have to carry a lot of equipment or go outside The Villages which is about once a week..Yep ... we have just over 3000 miles on our 7 month old new car and almost 10,000 miles on our 14 month old golf cart (which to be fair is street legal so we can go to a few extra places a "normal GC can't). I'd have no problem traveling from one end of TV to the other (until it reaches Orlando which would be pushing it a bit). Probably about 70% of the 3000 car miles has been within the last 5-6 weeks.

coffeebean
05-06-2020, 10:23 PM
People can't be seriously planning on driving golf carts all the way from down south.

Pack a lunch. On second thought......pack dinner too!

banjobob
05-07-2020, 04:58 AM
As you may soon find out ,the 4th generation are all about making money and selling houses sell'em and forget'em.

ficoguy
05-07-2020, 05:17 AM
Oh yea. I bet they will!!! Just because they can...

ithos
05-07-2020, 05:24 AM
For many the golfcart lifestyle is a major factor in their decision and they purchased a home below the turnpike based on that promise. I met someone at Millers who was very upset about it and wished he had never moved in.

So did The Villages realty intentionally lie to persuade people to purchase a home? I am interested in others thoughts who are better informed than me. Also what assurances about the Publix were made regarding the completion date?

Psalvini
05-07-2020, 05:37 AM
My husband and I moved to Marsh Bend from St Charles a year ago.
We love our house and the neighborhood with it's parks but we really feel like second class citizens. Our agent told us that the golf cart bridge over the highway and our shopping center would be finished in the fall of 2019. Neither were finished and now they are putting the bridge over 44 to Chitty Chatty tonight. That Village was started six months after ours was completed. What gives? Have they forgotten about Marsh Bend and Fenny? I think it's horrible that the developer hasn't included the amenities that the new areas need like stores and the ability to connect to those areas north of 44. When we viewed the open houses in their Parade of Homes, a realtor told us the wet weather last year has delayed the golf cart trails a year. A lot of good those bridges are if you can't use them. I guess more advertisement for the Villages is better than helping satisfy their residents.

TOMMY D
05-07-2020, 05:41 AM
Finally good to hear someone respond to everyone complaining about what they are being denied during this virus outbreak. At times hear selfish complaints about being denied golf ,pickle ball and other things and pay less attention to safety and what we need to do to be safe. Nice to hear someone that is concerned about others who are meeting some serious challenges with this virus and includes not being able to work to pay bills and put food on the table. Maybe because most who live here are retired and on a pension don't have to worry about anything other than their favorite sport. Far as Fenny goes that is like being told the check is in the mail. Do you blame the builder or the Village realtor who sold you your place. Thanks again for your concern for others in your posting. By the way they may be putting the bridge in as the other one which still is not finished. When is the last time anyone heard anything from the builder. Most information I've been getting is from the person who fly's the drone around.

oemsp1
05-07-2020, 05:47 AM
:boom:My husband and I moved to Marsh Bend from St Charles a year ago.
We love our house and the neighborhood with it's parks but we really feel like second class citizens. Our agent told us that the golf cart bridge over the highway and our shopping center would be finished in the fall of 2019. Neither were finished and now they are putting the bridge over 44 to Chitty Chatty tonight. That Village was started six months after ours was completed. What gives? Have they forgotten about Marsh Bend and Fenny?

rjn5656
05-07-2020, 05:55 AM
It's all about the money.

Stu from NYC
05-07-2020, 05:56 AM
We are new but they seem to take their time to build in the amenities. Still putting in shopping in the Brownwood area

vinricci
05-07-2020, 05:56 AM
Also wonder why the Publix on 466a is almost finished and the one south of 44, barely started.

Craig Vernon
05-07-2020, 05:59 AM
I have looked at all the different areas and have stayed in three different locations north of the turnpike. I have visited all the areas to the south and found them to be distant but that may not be a bad thing as things move southward. In my humble opinion the problem is Brownwood is still being developed and isn't full or finished. If you look at it logically the developer has gotten a bit ahead of themselves and then the virus hit which is a big problem for development and property sales. Chitty Chatty was a place where many thought might be the best of both worlds, being closest to Brownwood, personally not for me. Stay well one and all.

Skunky1
05-07-2020, 06:02 AM
Only believe in what you see and sometimes that is even questionable

Marathon Man
05-07-2020, 06:08 AM
The developer does not "put in" shopping. No reason to build if no company has commited to place a store in the building. Now that the southern population has grown to the point that businesses are willing to come in, we see the buildings going up. As for what salesmen said a year ago - passing on the information that they had at the time is not telling lies. As for amenities - they were very clear about the order of things down here. We now have golf, pools, rec centers as promised. No problem. As for bridges - the traffic goes both ways. Some of us are in no hurry to see them.

mydavid
05-07-2020, 06:10 AM
Why not? I take my golf cart everywhere. My car gets use when I have to carry a lot of equipment or go outside The Villages which is about once a week.

I live north of 466, and when Brownwood was new I drove my golf cart to it, with all the in an outs and cross overs and back, that was the first and last time. Sometime it just makes since to use your car.

TimeForChange
05-07-2020, 06:13 AM
Putting a metal bridge across a major artery like a turnpike running North and South is a major operation. I drove to Orlando on Tues and the majority of the traffic were trucks hauling food, probably medical items, and other necessary things. You will have to STOP that truck traffic at some point or set up a detour. At this point I would think the priority is letting the trucks roll.

La lamy
05-07-2020, 06:17 AM
I feel for you Patty. It doesn't matter if one is able to use their car, what was promised to you should be honored, and certainly before the next new village gets theirs. Maybe a petition to the developer might be helpful?

bilcon
05-07-2020, 06:25 AM
My husband and I moved to Marsh Bend from St Charles a year ago.
We love our house and the neighborhood with it's parks but we really feel like second class citizens. Our agent told us that the golf cart bridge over the highway and our shopping center would be finished in the fall of 2019. Neither were finished and now they are putting the bridge over 44 to Chitty Chatty tonight. That Village was started six months after ours was completed. What gives? Have they forgotten about Marsh Bend and Fenny?

Why did you ever leave St Charles? No bridges, lots of shopping, pools, rec centers, restaurants, golf:bigbow::bigbow: and 5 minutes from Sumter Landing.

bill.noltecpa@gmail.com
05-07-2020, 06:29 AM
If you have watched some of Gold Wing (drone footage of the construction) , they talk about the golf cart paths and show new paths as they prepare to complete bridges and connectivity between them all the way south to Fenney and Marsh cove. Due to liability and people just getting in the way, the Utube footage asks people not to cross barriers into construction zones, but it shows them doing it and so I would expect until it’s a safe area no carts on the area. Unfortunately, I would think connectivity for this area will be a 2021 event depending on construction and sales and safety factor. Watch it on Utube, the guy puts a new one about every three months. Gold wing productions on Utube.

MandoMan
05-07-2020, 06:29 AM
.Yep ... we have just over 3000 miles on our 7 month old new car and almost 10,000 miles on our 14 month old golf cart (which to be fair is street legal so we can go to a few extra places a "normal GC can't). I'd have no problem traveling from one end of TV to the other (until it reaches Orlando which would be pushing it a bit). Probably about 70% of the 3000 car miles has been within the last 5-6 weeks.

My recollection is that I checked the driving time from the north to the south end of The Villages by golf cart, using the Villages GPS ap, and it was close to 90 minutes! Compared to less than 30 minutes by car. That could be wrong. It’s been a few months since I checked. Are you on a mission to explore every street in every village? That would be fun. Swim in every pool. Play every golf course. Learn the distinct character of each.

Sunflower1
05-07-2020, 06:42 AM
Hi Patty,
Welcome to The Villages! Everything always takes longer then expected but I’m sure the bridges will be up soon and you will be motoring along in your golf cart.

rrlavigne
05-07-2020, 06:42 AM
We were promised by our salesman many times before buying land in Fenney that we'd be fully connected "at the latest" by May of 2019. We built in Fenney with this understanding. Here we are in the middle of 2020 and we're not connected and have no golf cart shopping either. If i had known this area would still not be connected I would have never built in Fenney.

daca55
05-07-2020, 06:43 AM
I bought my house in the Village of Buttonwood in 2011. There was no stores nearby and I had to drive over to Rt 441 to get the things I needed. However in 2017 things started to develop on Rt 466A and now I have a Lowe’s, gas station, grocery stores and many other places I can shop at and they are only a little over a mile from my house. As someone had already said you need to be patient and soon you will be able to drive your golf cart everywhere and have the services you need. Until then relax and have a cocktail and enjoy what you have. Life is short so don’t spend it worrying about things you can’t control.

TandHSTAR@AOL.com
05-07-2020, 06:58 AM
Well said. Patience is something all zhould have learned by now. After 22+ yrs in The Villages I have learned to just enjoy all that we have here and as things come into play enjoy those as well. Stay safe everyone. Good things come to those who wait.

RoadToad
05-07-2020, 07:00 AM
People can't be seriously planning on driving golf carts all the way from down south.

OF COURSE WE ARE !!
It's a mini road trip for entertainment..
Half the fun of living here is to scout about in the cart.
Try it, you might like it..
:coolsmiley::coolsmiley:

VApeople
05-07-2020, 07:01 AM
Have they forgotten about Marsh Bend and Fenny?

Yeah, pretty much.

The action these days is in Chitty Chatty and Bradford, which will soon be connected to the rest of The Villages. After these new and exciting areas are complete, they will eventually get back to Marsh Bend.

hardwick2112@yahoo.com
05-07-2020, 07:05 AM
Our husband / wife realtor team told us two years ago the bridge would be open last Fall, late Fall, early 2020, mid-2020, now December 2020 (joke), etc. The truth of the matter is The Villages sold us a vision without backing it up. Chitty Chatty, Bradford, and St. ?? will be connected before us in Marsh Bend. Also, look for the unnamed subdivision(s) along Meggison Road to be completed before anyone will be allowed to cross over our bridge. It will be at least a year or more before any meaningful sign of connection to Brownwood and the rest of The Villages. I hear there is a lawsuit filed. I would like to know for sure.

queasy27
05-07-2020, 07:07 AM
I sympathize with the OP and would probably be mildly exasperated myself if I lived there.

Construction projects small and large are very often (almost always?) delayed so on one hand it's not surprising at all, but on the other, this is The Villages where build schedules are typically quite precise. Makes me wonder what caused their projections to be so far off -- delays with the Department of Transportation or other State agencies, perhaps?

The salespeople were just relaying what they had been told so I can't really blame them. There's no need for them to adopt hard sell tactics around here.

theruizs
05-07-2020, 07:09 AM
For many the golfcart lifestyle is a major factor in their decision and they purchased a home below the turnpike based on that promise. I met someone at Millers who was very upset about it and wished he had never moved in.

So did The Villages realty intentionally lie to persuade people to purchase a home? I am interested in others thoughts who are better informed than me. Also what assurances about the Publix were made regarding the completion date?

I don’t think the sales staff intentionally lied, but they were certainly given poor information. I won’t go so far as saying the developers lied to them, but they certainly gave them best case scenario info without explaining the potential caveats. This has always been the case. When we bought in early 2012 they told us build-out would be by 2017. Well, there is still no end in sight. We were hoping that build-out would help secure our home value and keep TV from becoming so large it loses the atmosphere that attracted us here. It’s clear now that there will never be an end to the expansion.

dewilson58
05-07-2020, 07:11 AM
My husband and I moved to Marsh Bend from St Charles a year ago.



Moved May 2019.................wasn't it extremely obvious the bridge & shopping would not be done by September???

ficoguy
05-07-2020, 07:14 AM
Take what the sales person says with a pound of salt. They are not bound by any statements unless its in writing. Its like when you go buy a car - all the sales huffing and puffing comes down to the agreement of sale

queasy27
05-07-2020, 07:20 AM
When we bought in early 2012 they told us build-out would be by 2017.

Ah, the good old days of build-out speculation and angry comments. We were so quaint. :icon_wink:

Singerlady
05-07-2020, 07:23 AM
People can't be seriously planning on driving golf carts all the way from down south.


I can’t wait to drive to OIA! 🤪

paulat585
05-07-2020, 07:26 AM
Finally good to hear someone respond to everyone complaining about what they are being denied during this virus outbreak. At times hear selfish complaints about being denied golf ,pickle ball and other things and pay less attention to safety and what we need to do to be safe. Nice to hear someone that is concerned about others who are meeting some serious challenges with this virus and includes not being able to work to pay bills and put food on the table. Maybe because most who live here are retired and on a pension don't have to worry about anything other than their favorite sport. Far as Fenny goes that is like being told the check is in the mail. Do you blame the builder or the Village realtor who sold you your place. Thanks again for your concern for others in your posting. By the way they may be putting the bridge in as the other one which still is not finished. When is the last time anyone heard anything from the builder. Most information I've been getting is from the person who fly's the drone around.

:bigbow:

dennisgavin
05-07-2020, 07:27 AM
I live in Mallory and will definitely be making a road trip when the bridges are finished just for the heck of it.

Singerlady
05-07-2020, 07:29 AM
Moved May 2019.................wasn't it extremely obvious the bridge & shopping would not be done by September???
Moved July 2018. We’d been told for awhile before that (almost 2 years?), that the bridge would be done by early 2020. Made the decision to not believe it until we saw it! Couldn’t be happier where we are...

Michael Charles
05-07-2020, 07:32 AM
Yeah, pretty much.

The action these days is in Chitty Chatty and Bradford, which will soon be connected to the rest of The Villages. After these new and exciting areas are complete, they will eventually get back to Marsh Bend.

How do you know that Chitty Chatty & Bradford will be connected soon? Do you have any verification for that statement? Yes the bridge went up last night but it'll be some time before golf cart traffic is going over it.

Have I missed something about Marsh Bend? May 5th I drove through the village of Marsh Bend, it appeared to me that it was almost completely built out. Yes there were a few lots waiting to be built but those most likely are custom designed homes and not SPEC homes.

mathwitch3@gmail.com
05-07-2020, 07:35 AM
Let's face it, the people down south got the shaft. The best part of the Villages is getting around in a golf cart, why anyone would buy down there beats me.

Davelinda91
05-07-2020, 07:37 AM
The homes are being sold at a discount to make up for the inconvenience. The less people that move in the more of a discount, sit tight it will all be worth your wait. When the 4th square is built there will be no need to cross over. I do Agree with shopping options, you have non , that’s unfortunate and needs to be addressed ASAP.

fdpaq0580
05-07-2020, 07:39 AM
Only believe in what you see and sometimes that is even questionable

You must know how the shell game works. Very wise.

Stu from NYC
05-07-2020, 07:39 AM
I don’t think the sales staff intentionally lied, but they were certainly given poor information. I won’t go so far as saying the developers lied to them, but they certainly gave them best case scenario info without explaining the potential caveats. This has always been the case. When we bought in early 2012 they told us build-out would be by 2017. Well, there is still no end in sight. We were hoping that build-out would help secure our home value and keep TV from becoming so large it loses the atmosphere that attracted us here. It’s clear now that there will never be an end to the expansion.

Sales people want to sell and will take the info they get and spin it to make everything wonderful. When does spinning becoming lying?

genobambino
05-07-2020, 07:41 AM
Rumor has it the turnpike is going to 3 lanes and they won't give permission to put a bridge over it until construction plans have been verified. So the bridge down there won't be long enough to go over all the lanes.

Michael Charles
05-07-2020, 07:45 AM
Construction projects small and large are very often (almost always?) delayed so on one hand it's not surprising at all, but on the other, this is The Villages where build schedules are typically quite precise. Makes me wonder what caused their projections to be so far off -- delays with the Department of Transportation or other State agencies, perhaps?

The salespeople were just relaying what they had been told so I can't really blame them. There's no need for them to adopt hard sell tactics around here.

Exactly! While most are surprised (for the delays of both the bridges and the commercial plazas) because the speed at which the villages normally develops and builds. There must have been unexpected delays that no one asked for my input and apparently yours.

I agree that people are waaaay to eager to put their check in the hands of the developer and might not do any research about the area where they are so excited to move to. We too felt a little pressure when we were buying down here (McClure) we were given 2 hours (agent called in to put this house on hold) to either $&#@ or get off the pot because others would pull the trigger once we said no.

Michael Charles
05-07-2020, 07:47 AM
Rumor has it the turnpike is going to 3 lanes and they won't give permission to put a bridge over it until construction plans have been verified. So the bridge down there won't be long enough to go over all the lanes.

Rumor, just that.

I prefer to deal with facts but thanks for your input!

justjim
05-07-2020, 07:50 AM
Don’t blame your sales agent. He/she only knew what was being told by the leadership of The Villages. However, people only hear what they want to hear. It’s sort of that way with “leadership” you tell the people what they want to hear and then blame the results on somebody else.

vintageogauge
05-07-2020, 07:51 AM
Rumor has it the turnpike is going to 3 lanes and they won't give permission to put a bridge over it until construction plans have been verified. So the bridge down there won't be long enough to go over all the lanes.

You evidently didn't read todays paper. All permits are in place for the Water Lilly bridge over the turnpike, they are working on it every day now.

Concinity
05-07-2020, 08:02 AM
We are in Fenney. Bought lot in 2017 and moved in the spring of 2018. Realtor told us one year to bridges and shopping. It is frustrating but where we came from we had a 20 minute drive to anywhere, so we were used to it. As we’ve watched the growth we think maybe Magnolia Plaza by cart but easier by car to everywhere else. It’s not what we thought it would be but it’s ok.

tomhinz
05-07-2020, 08:07 AM
It is all about the MONEY

Lsepanske@aol.com
05-07-2020, 08:08 AM
Good one !

VillageIdiots
05-07-2020, 08:11 AM
Rumor has it the turnpike is going to 3 lanes and they won't give permission to put a bridge over it until construction plans have been verified. So the bridge down there won't be long enough to go over all the lanes.

Think about the logic in this rumor, which I've heard and don't believe by the way. If the bridge is not wide enough, that would mean every single bridge already spanning the turnpike is not long enough and would need to be rebuilt - not going to happen. Ever seen a widening project where they took down every bridge and rebuilt it? I certainly haven't.

This is but one of several rumors on the subject. All of which could be nipped in the bud with a little bit of transparency and facts communicated. I did read in the paper today that all permits for all bridges are in hand - so all I can say is "get to it then!". There has been a little bit of work recently on both sides of the Water Lily bridge but it seems the same baby steps approach is being used to raise that bridge as are being employed to re-open recreation. Now that the carrot has been affixed to the stick at Rohan, with respect to drawing sales, I wouldn't be surprised to see the work on the other carrot pick up soon as new but empty homes are up in that area.

Work does seem to have picked up big time on the last week or two at Magnolia Plaza - finally.

merrymini
05-07-2020, 08:13 AM
When we moved into Hillsborough village, we thought Brownwood occupancy would fill up quickly. It has been more than five years and stores are still empty. Winn Dixie was the supermarket that was supposed to be built at Magnolia but pulled out. There will be extra lanes added to the turnpike delaying that bridge. Some of these issues may not have been known previously but when it comes to construction, delays are inevitable, nonetheless, I do not blame people for being upset that Fenney etc does not have conductivity. No surprise, the jump across the highway was a bold move and one I did not think would work but it did. The prices down there are not lower. They were when building first started to attract buyers. Now the discounts are the same standard stuff they used elsewhere. You have no choice but to sit tight.

Bogie Shooter
05-07-2020, 08:13 AM
We are new but they seem to take their time to build in the amenities. Still putting in shopping in the Brownwood area

Shopping is not an amenity.

ItsALLaboutTheLOVE
05-07-2020, 08:15 AM
My first snowbird trip to the villages was in March 2018. I rented a brand new house that had just been built in fenney. It was beautiful. They were building 50 new houses in DeSoto a hundred yards from where I was. By the end of that month, most of those houses had roofs! I was told by the sales department at fenney that the bridge connecting the turnpike would be finished soon. Soon!? Lies. Typical sales technique. But pretty crappy to do since that is a major part of the lifestyle...
That's my two cents, it's worth what you paid for it....

Bogie Shooter
05-07-2020, 08:16 AM
Our husband / wife realtor team told us two years ago the bridge would be open last Fall, late Fall, early 2020, mid-2020, now December 2020 (joke), etc. The truth of the matter is The Villages sold us a vision without backing it up. Chitty Chatty, Bradford, and St. ?? will be connected before us in Marsh Bend. Also, look for the unnamed subdivision(s) along Meggison Road to be completed before anyone will be allowed to cross over our bridge. It will be at least a year or more before any meaningful sign of connection to Brownwood and the rest of The Villages. I hear there is a lawsuit filed. I would like to know for sure.

Lawsuit? What do you want your money back, a discount?
Don't believe everything you hear.

billethkid
05-07-2020, 08:17 AM
What is also conveniently being ignored is the track record of TV providing everything that has been developed to date.

The current delays should not be parlayed into a discussion about TV not delivering on their plans....their track record speaks for itself.

Do sales people speak out of turn? Of course.....SOME DO.
I would guess of all sales and expectations to date more than 95% are satisfied residents.

How else could TV have continued to grow as it has?

Bogie Shooter
05-07-2020, 08:20 AM
Let's face it, the people down south got the shaft. The best part of the Villages is getting around in a golf cart, why anyone would buy down there beats me.

:ohdear:

Bogie Shooter
05-07-2020, 08:22 AM
The homes are being sold at a discount to make up for the inconvenience. The less people that move in the more of a discount, sit tight it will all be worth your wait. When the 4th square is built there will be no need to cross over. I do Agree with shopping options, you have non , that’s unfortunate and needs to be addressed ASAP.

Are you aware as to what is going on right? I didn't think so.

Marylynn
05-07-2020, 08:23 AM
I don’t know why they’re doing that. Original store fronts are still vacant since Brownwood was completed in 2012.

Bogie Shooter
05-07-2020, 08:24 AM
Rumor has it the turnpike is going to 3 lanes and they won't give permission to put a bridge over it until construction plans have been verified. So the bridge down there won't be long enough to go over all the lanes.

That is an old rumor that has been dispelled on here several times.

Bogie Shooter
05-07-2020, 08:26 AM
You evidently didn't read todays paper. All permits are in place for the Water Lilly bridge over the turnpike, they are working on it every day now.

Whoa! Confusing rumors and whining with facts.....how unique.:icon_wink:

Bogie Shooter
05-07-2020, 08:27 AM
It is all about the MONEY

"It" being?

Goldwingnut
05-07-2020, 08:29 AM
Rumor has it the turnpike is going to 3 lanes and they won't give permission to put a bridge over it until construction plans have been verified. So the bridge down there won't be long enough to go over all the lanes.

According the the FDoT and FTE (Florida Turnpike Enterprise) websites there is nothing in the 5 year plan to widen SR92 (turnpike) in this area for the next 5 years. Even if they do, the bridge constructed already is wide enough to support an 8 lane crossing.

kendi
05-07-2020, 08:30 AM
My husband and I moved to Marsh Bend from St Charles a year ago.
We love our house and the neighborhood with it's parks but we really feel like second class citizens. Our agent told us that the golf cart bridge over the highway and our shopping center would be finished in the fall of 2019. Neither were finished and now they are putting the bridge over 44 to Chitty Chatty tonight. That Village was started six months after ours was completed. What gives? Have they forgotten about Marsh Bend and Fenny?

Simply change your mindset and you won't feel like a second class citizen anymore. Second class citizen due to the lack of a bridge to cross? Oh how spoiled we are in this country, in TV especially.

dewilson58
05-07-2020, 08:32 AM
Let's face it, the people down south got the shaft. The best part of the Villages is getting around in a golf cart, why anyone would buy down there beats me.


Funny first post under this new name.



Due Diligence was lacking if anyone "got the shaft".

charlieo1126@gmail.com
05-07-2020, 08:33 AM
Why did you ever leave St Charles? No bridges, lots of shopping, pools, rec centers, restaurants, golf:bigbow::bigbow: and 5 minutes from Sumter Landing. I was about the 30 th resident out here in Fenney , I had read things and had been told by agent that it would be at least the summer of 2020 before the bridges were in and unlike houses that you can build empty , you have to have a certain population before you put in stores.. Keep in mind how nice it is out here and that all the people that downgrade this area will want to live out here when it becomes the heart of the villages , I’ve moved 5 times here and there are always naysayers , have patience, I do and I’m 81 😊😊

Decadeofdave
05-07-2020, 08:34 AM
I get a chuckle when someone tells me (the salesman said.......). Growing up I was told...believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear

VApeople
05-07-2020, 08:34 AM
When the 4th square is built there will be no need to cross over.

My sources tell me the 4th square will be complete by he end of 2021.


I do Agree with shopping options, you have non , that’s unfortunate and needs to be addressed ASAP.

I agree. Are you aware of all of the new stores being built as we write? Just wait until the end of the year.

claylayer
05-07-2020, 08:37 AM
My husband and were talking about this. We think that IF they complete the bridge by Chitty Chatty first, it could be because that neighborhood has no access to any golf course or amenities from their golf cart. Just a thought because the other neighborhoods south of 44 all have access to golf courses, a Rec. Center and the Finney Grill. Time will tell. Have a great day and stay safe!

rjackson1759
05-07-2020, 08:40 AM
Michael Charles, that was a wonderfully practical, and accurate response! Thank you. Most people think that merely putting a bridge over 44 is the answer. As a former Civil Engineer with Transportation Structures as my major, I want everyone to reply with your knowledge!

Dond1959
05-07-2020, 09:02 AM
We live in DeSoto (next to Fenney for you geographically challenged northern residents) and I am ecstatic they are delaying Water Lily. That means I can get in my car, go to any Championship course and get a free cart! When the bridge is finished no more free carts, bummer!

The good side to the bridge being finished is I will not have to listen to the northerners complain about being charged for a cart on an Executive course (have you ever heard of walking? It is actually good for you).

I moved here because of the paths and open spaces. We have all the amenities in place (pools, rec centers, etc). You could make a point they haven’t announced sufficient Championship courses down south. I would agree with that since I am a golfer and want more near me. But I have noticed a lot of the residents down here don’t golf. I was kind of amazed when I moved in.

It takes me 10 minutes to get to a Publix, big deal. If you want everything a 10 minute cart ride away get a sales person, sell, and move. That will not happen down here for a long time.

So for me personally I am very happy where I live and everything around me. It is an ideal situation for me. I am not going to spend my time in this beautiful place moaning and complaining. Peace out!

Rich42
05-07-2020, 09:09 AM
The biggest scam on the Southern Villages, is lack of championship golf!!!

Sheldon5663
05-07-2020, 09:10 AM
Agreed. My wife and I live in DeSoto.
Since June of 2018.
Please finish the bridge over SR44 to Brownwood😎

Marylynn
05-07-2020, 09:11 AM
We north of 44 always wondered, and still do, why a square wasn’t one of the first things built for the southern villages. We moved in south of 466A in 2014. There already was a Publix and Winn Dixie. A year later another Publix opened. By 2018 we had five golf cart accessible grocery stores. Fenny was started in 2016 I believe and all there is is a grill and a couple recent food trucks.

Rosebud1949
05-07-2020, 09:13 AM
Thanks to Gold Wing Nut ( and his drone) we know what is going on below SR44.. and it makes sure I will never move there.. So sad for those buyers who were lied to. Costly houses, almost treble Bonds on the homes. Just like those at 466A who were told this is it , last chance to buy no more houses south of here.

dewilson58
05-07-2020, 09:14 AM
The biggest scam on the Southern Villages, is lack of championship golf!!!


Scam????.......it was the plan, it is the plan & there is a plan. Nothing unplanned about the lack of championship golf in the Deep South.

UpNorth
05-07-2020, 09:25 AM
Evolution of golf in The Villages:

Championship Golf > Executive Golf > Pitch & Putt > Putt & Play >
Mini Golf > Virtual golf at the Rec Center

argos5usa
05-07-2020, 09:43 AM
The Villages had a very successful development plan... new villages were built adjacent to established villages and new residents could immediately share in the same amenities as older residents.

When they moved south of 44, they changed their successful plan, jumped several miles to the south and then started to fill in the gap going south to north. Seems that if they started with a village immediately south of 44, built one bridge to Brownwood and kept with their previous adjacent village policy, these current isolation issues could have been avoided.

Presumably there was some reason for the change in policy. That said, eventually it will all be resolved.

Villages Kahuna
05-07-2020, 09:43 AM
As a native Chicagoan I was curious awhile back about the size of The Villages compared to my hometown, The Windy City. Without going into a lot of detail, from it’s north border to the border at far south suburbs, Chicago is 27.3 miles long.

The Villages, from Route 42 on the north to the Okalahumka plaza on the southern border, is already over 33 miles “long”. That’s already substantially longer than tge City of Chicago, and likely to become even longer before buildout.

I can tell you as a native Chicago Southsider that I almost never ventured to the north side. If there were golf carts back in the day, I surely wouldn’t contemplate such a time-consuming arduous trip.That would be waaay too far for a loyal White Sox fan to venture into Cubs country.

I’d suggest learning about all the things to do in the southern end of The Villages, because I’ll predict you’ll never make that long, arduous golf cart ride to Spanish Springs.

BHWitcher
05-07-2020, 09:44 AM
I’ve been living here since 2010. The agents at that time told prospective buyers "all construction will be completed in 2 1/2 yrs." I think they were also selling water front property in Arizona.

vintageogauge
05-07-2020, 09:44 AM
The biggest scam on the Southern Villages, is lack of championship golf!!!

There is no rush to complete the course south of Bradford as you can't get to it by golf car until the bridges are in place. It's on the east side of the turnpike and unless you are going to live in Chitty Chatty or Bradford you can't get there and even from those two villages the trails aren't in yet. They'll have it ready for us when all the connections are in.

jonathanb
05-07-2020, 09:46 AM
So I am a retired RE rep for The Villages. Unfortunately your rep probably gave you the best information they had at the time. I think things got messed up with permits over the TP bridge. Be patient it will happen but probably not until next year.

mulligan
05-07-2020, 09:53 AM
Can anybody explain why some people feel that they have to drive a golf cart everywhere ??

argos5usa
05-07-2020, 09:53 AM
Evolution of golf in The Villages:

Championship Golf > Executive Golf > Pitch & Putt > Putt & Play >
Mini Golf > Virtual golf at the Rec Center

It is my understanding that demographic studies have shown that persons retiring at this time have less interest in golf than those who retired 10-20 years ago...thus, there may be less emphasis on golf amenities in future villages.

Marathon Man
05-07-2020, 10:00 AM
I continue to be puzzled and amazed that the majority of complaints about the suthern villages come from those who don't live there. Well, I do live there. Every bit of shopping, golf, recreation, food and everything else is available to me. I have no complaints about how "The Developer" is proceeding with things. It's great down here. We love it.

VApeople
05-07-2020, 10:19 AM
Can anybody explain why some people feel that they have to drive a golf cart everywhere ??

Don't look at me. We have been here four years, do not own a cart, and have no plans to buy one. I have played a lot of golf and always hated riding in a cart.

But it is obvious that many people love their carts. I see a lot of couples and their dogs joyriding in the evening and they look very happy.

I guess we have all learned to accept people as they are and not try to figure them out.

pauld315
05-07-2020, 10:25 AM
When we moved into Hillsborough village, we thought Brownwood occupancy would fill up quickly. It has been more than five years and stores are still empty. Winn Dixie was the supermarket that was supposed to be built at Magnolia but pulled out. There will be extra lanes added to the turnpike delaying that bridge. Some of these issues may not have been known previously but when it comes to construction, delays are inevitable, nonetheless, I do not blame people for being upset that Fenney etc does not have conductivity. No surprise, the jump across the highway was a bold move and one I did not think would work but it did. The prices down there are not lower. They were when building first started to attract buyers. Now the discounts are the same standard stuff they used elsewhere. You have no choice but to sit tight.

They have had all the permits for awhile now. The state told them they would have to wait until after the tourist season before they could shutdown the turnpike to put a bridge across it. Now they can't shutdown because they have to replenish the toilet paper in the state. So, if you were a TP hoarder you are partially responsible for the delay ! :1rotfl:

J1ceasar
05-07-2020, 10:45 AM
Think of it this way - your glass is half full - so much more privacy without a cart bridge.
And I am taking a survey - who is lower :

A> used car sales person
B) real estate sales person
C) a worm

Real estate sales people arent on the stand and under a bible oath folks . believe what you want to hear. $$$$ is all that matters to many folks .

yayda yada - and some " realtors' Will say different -

dewilson58
05-07-2020, 10:47 AM
Can anybody explain why some people feel that they have to drive a golf cart everywhere ??


Lifestyle.......many Villages enjoy using a golf cart for driving everywhere.

Marvic 1
05-07-2020, 10:56 AM
We love our house and the neighborhood with it's parks but we really feel like second class citizens. What gives? Have they forgotten about Marsh Bend and Fenny?

Your so far South from where the Villages originally started that maybe you should ask that question to the Disney family in Orlando.... :D

:jester:

Goldwingnut
05-07-2020, 11:02 AM
Think of it this way - your glass is half full - so much more privacy without a cart bridge.
And I am taking a survey - who is lower :

A> used car sales person
B) real estate sales person
C) a worm

Real estate sales people arent on the stand and under a bible oath folks . believe what you want to hear. $$$$ is all that matters to many folks .

yayda yada - and some " realtors' Will say different -

Do not insult the nobel worm who's hard work helps make the soil fertile, that helps feed us all, with these other lowlifes. A & B are lower than whale turds that sink to the bottom of the ocean.

dewilson58
05-07-2020, 11:04 AM
Do not insult the nobel worm who's hard work helps make the soil fertile, that helps feed us all, with these other lowlifes.


:1rotfl:

Marvic 1
05-07-2020, 11:08 AM
Can anybody explain why some people feel that they have to drive a golf cart everywhere ??

You can ask that same question about people taking their DOGS everywhere!!

richb9v
05-07-2020, 11:10 AM
My husband and I moved to Marsh Bend from St Charles a year ago.
We love our house and the neighborhood with it's parks but we really feel like second class citizens. Our agent told us that the golf cart bridge over the highway and our shopping center would be finished in the fall of 2019. Neither were finished and now they are putting the bridge over 44 to Chitty Chatty tonight. That Village was started six months after ours was completed. What gives? Have they forgotten about Marsh Bend and Fenny?

I totally agree with your observations. Many false promises were made to the people who bought south of CR44. I believe that they really over estimated the state's willingness to bridge the turnpike. Having a bridge to a village with no residents shows progress. For your information - there is a group from fenny that is gathering information from folks like us. It looks like a class action in the making.

normanne
05-07-2020, 11:14 AM
Things always get better. Patience is required.
We bought in El Cortez Village Courtyard Villas when there wasn’t even the original golf cart bridge over 441/27. No pedestrian crossing either, just look both ways and run fast. All golf carts seemed to be the old Easy Go with no lights and the same key fitted them all. Ahh happy days :bigbow:

dewilson58
05-07-2020, 11:15 AM
I totally agree with your observations. Many false promises were made to the people who bought south of CR44. I believe that they really over estimated the state's willingness to bridge the turnpike. Having a bridge to a village with no residents shows progress. For your information - there is a group from fenny that is gathering information from folks like us. It looks like a class action in the making.


You agree with her observations?? You can't force retailers to open stores.



Maybe with your first post, thousands will join the class action. NOT.

charlieo1126@gmail.com
05-07-2020, 11:23 AM
Your right I’ve lived all over villages and have been out in Fenny from the start in many conversations and walking around area there is much less emphasis on golf out here

prbradley
05-07-2020, 11:32 AM
Remember when the philosophy of The Villages was to put the amenities in first and then build the neighborhoods?

dewilson58
05-07-2020, 11:36 AM
Remember when the philosophy of The Villages was to put the amenities in first and then build the neighborhoods?


They did and they do..............shopping is not an amenity.

bpascani
05-07-2020, 11:40 AM
We moved here and rented Jan 2019, when we decided to stay, and buy, they tried to tell us that too, only they said Jan 2020. I knew that would not happen. I'm so sorry to here what they are doing now. Truly doesn't seem fair to put others ahead of those that had already been promised....a minor delay, like Dec-Feb 2020 would be acceptable, IF work has already begun, but, it sounds like they haven't even started on your bridge?? That's sad

Debi-G
05-07-2020, 12:18 PM
They have a valid point and I would be wondering the same about the bridge. We are planning to move there in a few months and have wondered that same thing each time we come for a visit. Can't we ALL just play nice without being mean and judgmental?? And be a good Steward of what the town is supposedly known for "America's Friendliest Hometown"???

JoMar
05-07-2020, 12:30 PM
I totally agree with your observations. Many false promises were made to the people who bought south of CR44. I believe that they really over estimated the state's willingness to bridge the turnpike. Having a bridge to a village with no residents shows progress. For your information - there is a group from fenny that is gathering information from folks like us. It looks like a class action in the making.

I still am waiting for an explanation on what constitutes a promise...lot of people throw that around yet when you ask for them to show the contract where it exists I get blank stares. People believe what they want to believe, hear what they want to hear or are just naive. IMO

JoMar
05-07-2020, 12:33 PM
The Villages had a very successful development plan... new villages were built adjacent to established villages and new residents could immediately share in the same amenities as older residents.

When they moved south of 44, they changed their successful plan, jumped several miles to the south and then started to fill in the gap going south to north. Seems that if they started with a village immediately south of 44, built one bridge to Brownwood and kept with their previous adjacent village policy, these current isolation issues could have been avoided.

Presumably there was some reason for the change in policy. That said, eventually it will all be resolved.

Go search, the reason for Fenny has been discussed and explained on here through several threads.

hrdcorpsmarine
05-07-2020, 01:22 PM
They’re in a business to make money. For goodness sakes get a grip.

mjpuleo
05-07-2020, 01:22 PM
I lived in the North side and now I live in the South side of The Villages and I will drive my golf cart anywhere I can, including across all 4 bridges when they are done.

VApeople
05-07-2020, 01:41 PM
Can't we ALL just play nice without being mean and judgmental??

Nope, not in The Villages.

We are not just a bunch of tired old Frogs waiting for the Grim Reaper. We are young (at heart) people with strong opinions who try to enjoy every day of this wonderful life we have. Expressing the opinions we have developed through years of living is what we do.

VApeople
05-07-2020, 01:43 PM
People believe what they want to believe, hear what they want to hear or are just naive. IMO

You make too much sense.

DReifinger
05-07-2020, 01:52 PM
Right, we go everywhere on the golf cart no matter how far. It’s a beautiful ride no matter where the destination in TV.

fdpaq0580
05-07-2020, 01:54 PM
I still am waiting for an explanation on what constitutes a promise...lot of people throw that around yet when you ask for them to show the contract where it exists I get blank stares. People believe what they want to believe, hear what they want to hear or are just naive. IMO

Naive? I think naivety is something most folks can be accused of from time to time. Especially when they are shown something new, shiny and exciting. Salespeople everywhere rely on it and spin banter to the most positive picture and try to avoid any negatives that might derail a possible sale. Get the customer excited and create a sense of urgency (buy now before they are all gone.).
Don't get me wrong. I love my home here, but I clearly remember our sales rep using the exact same tactics on us. I also remember being told that our village was going to be the end of the building (buy now cause there will be no more). I live in Collier and I'll bet that if given lie detector tests all the sales reps knew that they were touting false information.
Of course the promises are not in the sales contracts any more than the answer "no ma'am, those pants don't make you look fat" are on the sales receipt from Kohl's. Still, incomplete and false information and implied promises and even flat out lies were probably told to make a sale. I don't blame people for feeling they were misled. And, if it can be shown they were they may have a case. I understand the law takes a dim view of taking advantage of seniors.
If a class action suit does happen, I will be watching, but not participating.

Michael Charles
05-07-2020, 02:02 PM
IF work has already begun, but, it sounds like they haven't even started on your bridge?? That's sad

The bridge (not yet complete) is sitting on the North/East side of the turnpike. The pilings for the supports are being worked on presently. You say "but, it sounds like they haven't even started on your bridge?? That's sad" Have you actually driven into the area by the new Water Lily recreation center where you can actually see the bridge sitting out there across the turnpike? Sounds like you say...

Barborv
05-07-2020, 02:07 PM
That was a very good point, TVBOUND. Now that the homes down in Fenny, Marsh Bend and surrounding areas are sold, Putting up this bridge over 44 will help sell the newer areas.
I definitely want to do the top to bottom golf cart drive when everything is finished(whenever that will be!)(and who knows where that will be too!) lol
I understand your frustration OLYARCHICK, I would be ****ed also. I have property property between 466 and 466a and bought when they were building ,being told that there will be no more building after two years. That was 5 years ago!! I just recently (2 months ago) bought another home that I will live in when I retire. I would of definitely liked a brand new house, but decided to buy a preowned home close to 466, for that very reason. We once visited a community when we were looking where to retire and the homes were built before the club house. For some reason the community didnt have the funds and these people were living there with no club house for 5 years! Now that sucks when its a one clubhouse community.So because of that we decided to go pre owned.
Now as far as complaining about wants, when other people are suffering, I believe all our hearts are feeling for these people. And yes, there are so many things to be thankful for. But it's ok to be ****ed about something that was promised and not delivered. Buying a home is a huge investment.

thelegges
05-07-2020, 02:31 PM
They have a valid point and I would be wondering the same about the bridge. We are planning to move there in a few months and have wondered that same thing each time we come for a visit. Can't we ALL just play nice without being mean and judgmental?? And be a good Steward of what the town is supposedly known for "America's Friendliest Hometown"???

This site used to have wealth of information, asking for help, getting info on good and not so good business. Sometimes just needed an option on a subject.

Never telling you that thread has been done, use search, on something from a year ago, instead of just giving a honest answer. Support when you were having a bad day, bad diagnosis, loss of someone, or just asking for prayers.

Sometimes the old TOTVs shows up, but in the last few years, not so much. Some have just left the site, and gone elsewhere. Sometimes it’s disheartening

72lions
05-07-2020, 02:33 PM
I bought my house in the Village of Buttonwood in 2011. There was no stores nearby and I had to drive over to Rt 441 to get the things I needed. However in 2017 things started to develop on Rt 466A and now I have a Lowe’s, gas station, grocery stores and many other places I can shop at and they are only a little over a mile from my house. As someone had already said you need to be patient and soon you will be able to drive your golf cart everywhere and have the services you need. Until then relax and have a cocktail and enjoy what you have. Life is short so don’t spend it worrying about things you can’t control.

Of course all those nice things on 466A require a care even if your house backs up to them.

mvbird
05-07-2020, 02:48 PM
I agree with much of what has been said. If only I could get my hands on a current map of what is actually built down south. It's often very hard to follow even the wonderful drone footage when you don't know where Beamont, Bradford and ChitChat are. Are the rust colored bridges only for golf carts? If you needed to drive a car to Brownwood or Sumter from Linden or Marsh Bend would your only choices be to drive over the turnpike on Warm Springs to get to Morse, or go far west get on Rt 301?

jet10s
05-07-2020, 02:50 PM
My husband and I moved to Marsh Bend from St Charles a year ago.
We love our house and the neighborhood with it's parks but we really feel like second class citizens. Our agent told us that the golf cart bridge over the highway and our shopping center would be finished in the fall of 2019. Neither were finished and now they are putting the bridge over 44 to Chitty Chatty tonight. That Village was started six months after ours was completed. What gives? Have they forgotten about Marsh Bend and Fenny?
too bad you have not realized -- THE FAMILY -- have a reputation of telling tales to sell houses and then going on without any course or conscience -- we have all been lied to in pursuit of their grand fortune -- and their loyalty is only to the benjamins

FenneyFanatic
05-07-2020, 03:00 PM
Many of us are quite content for now. Much better that the whiners and crotchety complainers..

Bogie Shooter
05-07-2020, 03:05 PM
Thanks to Gold Wing Nut ( and his drone) we know what is going on below SR44.. and it makes sure I will never move there.. So sad for those buyers who were lied to. Costly houses, almost treble Bonds on the homes. Just like those at 466A who were told this is it , last chance to buy no more houses south of here.

So why should you care?

jet10s
05-07-2020, 03:06 PM
Exactly! While most are surprised (for the delays of both the bridges and the commercial plazas) because the speed at which the villages normally develops and builds. There must have been unexpected delays that no one asked for my input and apparently yours.

I agree that people are waaaay to eager to put their check in the hands of the developer and might not do any research about the area where they are so excited to move to. We too felt a little pressure when we were buying down here (McClure) we were given 2 hours (agent called in to put this house on hold) to either $&#@ or get off the pot because others would pull the trigger once we said no.
can you believe that we were sold the same story 10 years ago in the village of St. Charles -- one hour to decide -- or last chance dance -- someone oughta write a book

JoMar
05-07-2020, 03:08 PM
Most of the folks I have talked to below 44 are very happy. I think the whinners are in the minority....as it should be. We live above 44 and have two golf carts.....we use them most of the time but there are places to go where we need to use the car and actually never thought about whinning about it....what am I missing, should I be?

Bogie Shooter
05-07-2020, 03:09 PM
I continue to be puzzled and amazed that the majority of complaints about the suthern villages come from those who don't live there. Well, I do live there. Every bit of shopping, golf, recreation, food and everything else is available to me. I have no complaints about how "The Developer" is proceeding with things. It's great down here. We love it.

Very well stated.
From one of your northern fellow Villagers.

Bogie Shooter
05-07-2020, 03:12 PM
Do not insult the nobel worm who's hard work helps make the soil fertile, that helps feed us all, with these other lowlifes. A & B are lower than whale turds that sink to the bottom of the ocean.

You are out of character....did you really write this?

Bogie Shooter
05-07-2020, 03:14 PM
I totally agree with your observations. Many false promises were made to the people who bought south of CR44. I believe that they really over estimated the state's willingness to bridge the turnpike. Having a bridge to a village with no residents shows progress. For your information - there is a group from fenny that is gathering information from folks like us. It looks like a class action in the making.

To do what?????

Bogie Shooter
05-07-2020, 03:15 PM
Remember when the philosophy of The Villages was to put the amenities in first and then build the neighborhoods?

Yes, and your point is?

dewilson58
05-07-2020, 03:18 PM
we have all been lied to in pursuit of their grand fortune -- and their loyalty is only to the benjamins


I have not been lied to.

PugMom
05-07-2020, 03:20 PM
Just because the bridge is being moved across Route 44 doesn't mean that it will be useable anytime soon. No one lives in Chitty Chatty yet and even if it did there are no ramps yet ready for traffic to cross. We're in McClure and we can't get over to Chitty Chatty because of the turnpike. We just get in our nice comfortable air conditioned car and go get our groceries.

Patience grasshopper, patience. Soon you'll be able to ride your golf cart all the way to Spanish Springs but for now just relax and think about the less fortunate people that are dealing with real issues like paying the rent and feeding their kids instead of that you can't go over the highway on your golf cart. I feel sorry for you.we are in mcClure, also. it doesn't bother me that the bridge & plaza is taking a bit of time either. it wasn't a deal breaker to have to go to lake deaton, is only a few minutes drive in the car. we still chose to move here

jet10s
05-07-2020, 03:22 PM
The Villages had a very successful development plan... new villages were built adjacent to established villages and new residents could immediately share in the same amenities as older residents.

When they moved south of 44, they changed their successful plan, jumped several miles to the south and then started to fill in the gap going south to north. Seems that if they started with a village immediately south of 44, built one bridge to Brownwood and kept with their previous adjacent village policy, these current isolation issues could have been avoided.

Presumably there was some reason for the change in policy. That said, eventually it will all be resolved.
so you don't get it -- the y did not own the adjacent land -- they just went ahead without adequate access and lied -- have since filled in some areas -- but as long as they can spin their tales -- they seem no hurry to build anything but houses...

dewilson58
05-07-2020, 03:24 PM
I also remember being told that our village was going to be the end of the building (buy now cause there will be no more).


When Collier was being constructed, Hillsborough was being graded.......no way would a sales rep say Collier was the end.

Bogie Shooter
05-07-2020, 03:25 PM
I have not been lied to.

Nor have I been lied to.

Red Rose
05-07-2020, 03:28 PM
Why not?

jet10s
05-07-2020, 03:34 PM
They have a valid point and I would be wondering the same about the bridge. We are planning to move there in a few months and have wondered that same thing each time we come for a visit. Can't we ALL just play nice without being mean and judgmental?? And be a good Steward of what the town is supposedly known for "America's Friendliest Hometown"???
that would be in the past tense...

PugMom
05-07-2020, 03:49 PM
for the life of me, i can't understand if someone is so disillusioned, why did you even think of moving here to begin with? certainly you must be savvy enough to understand what life may be like under such 'terrible Morses'. i could never stay in a place i was so unhappy in, it's the entire reason we left Connecticut with cash in pocket to move in asap. we LOVE it here :)

fdpaq0580
05-07-2020, 03:57 PM
When Collier was being constructed, Hillsborough was being graded.......no way would a sales rep say Collier was the end.

East side of Collier was still only partiality open. Yes, sales rep give us that "this all there will be, so jump on it now" line. We did not buy because of the pressure, we bought because we found exactly what we were looking for. But I have heard the tales and even overheard reps talking to perspective buyers using those same kind of lines. It is not an uncommon tactic and I have no reason to doubt folks who say they experienced it here or in other places. Sorry if I spoiled the illusion that TV reps might be different than other sales people. After all, if they don't keep up their production they will be looking for work somewhere else. It is what it is.

PugMom
05-07-2020, 03:58 PM
We live in DeSoto (next to Fenney for you geographically challenged northern residents) and I am ecstatic they are delaying Water Lily. That means I can get in my car, go to any Championship course and get a free cart! When the bridge is finished no more free carts, bummer!

The good side to the bridge being finished is I will not have to listen to the northerners complain about being charged for a cart on an Executive course (have you ever heard of walking? It is actually good for you).

I moved here because of the paths and open spaces. We have all the amenities in place (pools, rec centers, etc). You could make a point they haven’t announced sufficient Championship courses down south. I would agree with that since I am a golfer and want more near me. But I have noticed a lot of the residents down here don’t golf. I was kind of amazed when I moved in.

It takes me 10 minutes to get to a Publix, big deal. If you want everything a 10 minute cart ride away get a sales person, sell, and move. That will not happen down here for a long time.

So for me personally I am very happy where I live and everything around me. It is an ideal situation for me. I am not going to spend my time in this beautiful place moaning and complaining. Peace out!

Thank You~!!:coolsmiley:

dewilson58
05-07-2020, 04:09 PM
East side of Collier was still only partiality open. Yes, sales rep give us that "this all there will be, so jump on it now" line. .




Yes Of Course it happened. (Sarcasm) I can hear it: "This is Collier, this is the final Village so buy now. And please, don't look on the other side of Buena Vista. And just ignore all the construction going on a 1/4 a mile away."


When Pinellas Place was being paved, Hillsborough was already platted.


:cryin2:

fdpaq0580
05-07-2020, 04:44 PM
[QUOTE=dewilson58;1760726]Yes Of Course it happened. (Sarcasm) I can hear it: "This is Collier, this is the final Village so buy now. And please, don't look on the other side of Buena Vista. And just ignore all the construction going on a 1/4 a mile away."


When Pinellas Place was being paved, Hillsborough was already platted.


I understand that you my find it hard to believe. We came from Washington state. Met rep 1st am appointment in LSL office who drove us in their car on unfamiliar roads to see 3 new home just released for sale. As soon as the other reps bring their clients here these will be gone., is kind of how it went. Wife fell in love with our house the moment she stepped across the threshold. Quick walkthrough - perfect. Back to the office to buy the house. Never saw what now we would recognize as Hillsborough. Wouldn't have mattered. We found the perfect home. I still like our rep, but he was working for TV and doing his/her job as trained to do. Win-win. I don't want to give the impression I'm unhappy in any way. Just saying that I understand the frustration of folks whose expectations have not yet been fulfilled.

Mary Windsor
05-07-2020, 04:50 PM
We feel the same in Linden. We came from The Preserve expecting south would be a good option for us, but there’s still no promise of being connected to the north by golf cart. Very, very disappointed in the Morse family right now!

Rango
05-07-2020, 04:58 PM
People can't be seriously planning on driving golf carts all the way from down south.

They are building golf cart rest stops!

EdFNJ
05-07-2020, 04:58 PM
Can anybody explain why some people feel that they have to drive a golf cart everywhere ??
Sure, because it's fun, it's a lot cheaper than a second car and also why many of the The Villages road signs say "WELCOME TO THE VILLAGES, A GOLF CART COMMUNITY."

Aw Man
05-07-2020, 05:16 PM
Lifestyle.......many Villages enjoy using a golf cart for driving everywhere.

This is something I’ll never understand.
Driving around in a golf cart is a lifestyle?
I do like the fact that I can drive my golf cart to every golf course in The Villages (north of 44), to play golf.
However, IMO, any continuous golf cart ride that lasts longer than 20 minutes ceases to be comfortable, or fun.

fdpaq0580
05-07-2020, 05:44 PM
This is something I’ll never understand.
Driving around in a golf cart is a lifestyle?
I do like the fact that I can drive my golf cart to every golf course in The Villages (north of 44), to play golf.
However, IMO, any continuous golf cart ride that lasts longer than 20 minutes ceases to be comfortable, or fun.

I understand. Driving around in a golf cart is a lifestyle for some, just like sports cars, motorcycles or motor homes. They buy fancy rigs and trick them out, have rallys and so on. As for comfort, there are some great, adjusting seats, custom steering wheels, all kinds of stuff.
To other folks a cart is just a convenient form of transport, nothing more. Hey, different strokes for different folks.
You don't have to understand it. Some folks like it and as long as no one gets hurt, do we really need to understand?
Now, what I don't understand is rap music. (Oops. Did I just give anybody an idea for a new thread?)

Hifred
05-07-2020, 07:51 PM
Olyarchik has a real complaint here. To be lied to by a sales agent is fraudulent. We retired in June 2019 and started our home search right after Fenny opened. We had sales agents tell us that Magnolia Plaza would be built right when Fenny was started, that there would be connectivity in Fall 2019 and all sorts of claims. I was prepared to purchase in McClure believing what we heard but my husband had the foresight to know I would not be happy driving to the store as we lived in downtown Chicago with everything at our fingertips. We moved into the Village of Charlotte and I am happy that we did. I don't think it is fair that the sales agents are allowed to mislead people. I am sorry for those of you who trusted your agent and feel misled. You may want to let others know who your agents were so that others looking for a home will not use the same agents .

thelegges
05-07-2020, 08:22 PM
When we bought not only was the grocery not doable by golf cart, had to use the car for pretty much everything. LSL had only a few stores.

We had no cell service, and was the only person on our street, with no houses for blocks, just dirt. We have all been there when a new area opens, but in those days we didn’t melt down.we waited, drove to what we needed.

MSchad
05-08-2020, 05:26 AM
..... but there’s still no promise of being connected to the north by golf cart.
Seriously ???

Marathon Man
05-08-2020, 07:03 AM
My husband and I moved to Marsh Bend from St Charles a year ago.
We love our house and the neighborhood with it's parks but we really feel like second class citizens. Our agent told us that the golf cart bridge over the highway and our shopping center would be finished in the fall of 2019. Neither were finished and now they are putting the bridge over 44 to Chitty Chatty tonight. That Village was started six months after ours was completed. What gives? Have they forgotten about Marsh Bend and Fenny?

You will have the bridge at the same time as those who bought in Fenney, DeSoto, and McClure. Therefore, you should not use the bridge for one year after it in place as a respect for their seniority.

VApeople
05-08-2020, 09:58 AM
there’s still no promise of being connected to the north by golf cart.

Now you are catching on. No one knows what is going to happen.

It looks like The Villages is expanding to the south. Maybe in 10-15 years you will have connectivity to Bushnell, which is the county seat and a much more important community than TV.

JoMar
05-08-2020, 11:05 AM
so you don't get it -- the y did not own the adjacent land -- they just went ahead without adequate access and lied -- have since filled in some areas -- but as long as they can spin their tales -- they seem no hurry to build anything but houses...

No clue!

Timothyimitchell
05-08-2020, 12:35 PM
Wow! The Villages might be the best place ever for retirees. We don't have a lot of time left. We should enjoy every minute of every day. Especially here.

EviesGP
05-09-2020, 10:36 AM
After viewing the Chitty Chatty Bridge, I happened to look at the Brownwood Bridge. I'm curious what is being built south of that(north of Fenney)? Although, I see lots of earth movement, I don't see an identified neighborhood on any of TV maps? Just green space, which seems odd for all that earth being moved? Any ideas? GWN?

photo1902
05-09-2020, 10:45 AM
After viewing the Chitty Chatty Bridge, I happened to look at the Brownwood Bridge. I'm curious what is being built south of that(north of Fenney)? Although, I see lots of earth movement, I don't see an identified neighborhood on any of TV maps? Just green space, which seems odd for all that earth being moved? Any ideas? GWN?

Which bridge are you referring to?

thelegges
05-09-2020, 12:35 PM
too bad you have not realized -- THE FAMILY -- have a reputation of telling tales to sell houses and then going on without any course or conscience -- we have all been lied to in pursuit of their grand fortune -- and their loyalty is only to the benjamins

We were one of the first to look at Pine area, rep explained the difference in Lake taxes. Then looked at the first models in Fenney, told us about Wildwood taxes.
In their meeting they were told there would be a square, oval, circle, at some point. But they had not given any concrete info, on when, and where. A championship, but no date on opening, shopping would come, when there was enough people to support the business.

Never been lied to, I am amazed everyday on how far we have grown, and what’s to come

graciegirl
05-09-2020, 01:00 PM
East side of Collier was still only partiality open. Yes, sales rep give us that "this all there will be, so jump on it now" line. We did not buy because of the pressure, we bought because we found exactly what we were looking for. But I have heard the tales and even overheard reps talking to perspective buyers using those same kind of lines. It is not an uncommon tactic and I have no reason to doubt folks who say they experienced it here or in other places. Sorry if I spoiled the illusion that TV reps might be different than other sales people. After all, if they don't keep up their production they will be looking for work somewhere else. It is what it is.

Oh I grow so tired of hearing this. It always makes me wonder what is behind these kinds of remarks. The Villages reps do not need to lie, to expound, to promise, to finagle, to SELL anything. People have been lined up to buy here for as long as I have been aware of this place which is more than a dozen years. I suppose it could be true that a Village rep may have got it wrong a time or two, but the truth is, they don't know a damned thing, are not a party to a bit of information before we, the general public know it. I have been told that by Jim McLaughlin who sold us the first house and the second house and who is someone we both trust and call friend. I can SEE it from the dozens of conversations I have had with friends and neighbors both here in the neighborhood we live now, Bridgeport at Laurel Valley and in the wonderful neighborhood we lived in originally here; Hadley. I have heard it from conversations with folks who are in the groups we belong to, and with all of the people we have played golf with over the years. I can also assume that some people who post on this forum do not live here but wish they did. That some people have an agenda that is at cross purposes with The Villages continuing to be the fastest growing adult community in the U.S.

NO. I don't work for the developer. I wish I could have met in person Gary Morse. I have seen Mark Morse at the "State of the Villages" address twice. I think this place is run very well and I see no reason to lie or embellish anything by the developers.

Wow. I feel better now.

photo1902
05-09-2020, 06:11 PM
Oh I grow so tired of hearing this. It always makes me wonder what is behind these kinds of remarks. The Villages reps do not need to lie, to expound, to promise, to finagle, to SELL anything. People have been lined up to buy here for as long as I have been aware of this place which is more than a dozen years. I suppose it could be true that a Village rep may have got it wrong a time or two, but the truth is, they don't know a damned thing, are not a party to a bit of information before we, the general public know it. I have been told that by Jim McLaughlin who sold us the first house and the second house and who is someone we both trust and call friend. I can SEE it from the dozens of conversations I have had with friends and neighbors both here in the neighborhood we live now, Bridgeport at Laurel Valley and in the wonderful neighborhood we lived in originally here; Hadley. I have heard it from conversations with folks who are in the groups we belong to, and with all of the people we have played golf with over the years. I can also assume that some people who post on this forum do not live here but wish they did. That some people have an agenda that is at cross purposes with The Villages continuing to be the fastest growing adult community in the U.S.

NO. I don't work for the developer. I wish I could have met in person Gary Morse. I have seen Mark Morse at the "State of the Villages" address twice. I think this place is run very well and I see no reason to lie or embellish anything by the developers.

Wow. I feel better now.

Just a slight exaggeration, and don’t get me wrong, I like this place too, but where is this line of people?

npwalters
05-09-2020, 07:22 PM
Oh I grow so tired of hearing this. It always makes me wonder what is behind these kinds of remarks. The Villages reps do not need to lie, to expound, to promise, to finagle, to SELL anything. People have been lined up to buy here for as long as I have been aware of this place which is more than a dozen years. I suppose it could be true that a Village rep may have got it wrong a time or two, but the truth is, they don't know a damned thing, are not a party to a bit of information before we, the general public know it. I have been told that by Jim McLaughlin who sold us the first house and the second house and who is someone we both trust and call friend. I can SEE it from the dozens of conversations I have had with friends and neighbors both here in the neighborhood we live now, Bridgeport at Laurel Valley and in the wonderful neighborhood we lived in originally here; Hadley. I have heard it from conversations with folks who are in the groups we belong to, and with all of the people we have played golf with over the years. I can also assume that some people who post on this forum do not live here but wish they did. That some people have an agenda that is at cross purposes with The Villages continuing to be the fastest growing adult community in the U.S.

NO. I don't work for the developer. I wish I could have met in person Gary Morse. I have seen Mark Morse at the "State of the Villages" address twice. I think this place is run very well and I see no reason to lie or embellish anything by the developers.

Wow. I feel better now.

So are you insinuating that the many people that have posted here that their agent told them there would be connectivity by spring 2020 are lying?

dewilson58
05-09-2020, 07:52 PM
So in summary:


Some people were told "buy now, this is it"


Some people were told "connectivity by _______"


Some people were told "shops & stores by _______"


And some of these some people (appears to be a few) feel they were lied to.
These some of some can be happy or be mad.
If mad, they can leave or stay and they can sue or not sue.
If leave, they will make a profit on their house.
If sue, they need to show financial losses or mental anguish.
Financial lost?? Cost of short ride to promised stores vs. existing stores???
Not sure how some of some will determine MA.


What did I miss in the above summary??


This topic is old and will not be settled on ToTV.

We should bring it to a constructive conclusion so everyone knows their options and can move forward.


:ho:

graciegirl
05-09-2020, 07:54 PM
So are you insinuating that the many people that have posted here that their agent told them there would be connectivity by spring 2020 are lying?

Aren't they placing the bridges right now?? This is May...………….Not far off from Spring.

I don't know what the agents told anyone. I know that on this forum and all social media we have a lot of rumors, incorrect statements, exaggerations and plain ole fibs. I say they don't have to promise anything to get a sale.

npwalters
05-09-2020, 08:35 PM
Aren't they placing the bridges right now?? This is May...………….Not far off from Spring.

I don't know what the agents told anyone. I know that on this forum and all social media we have a lot of rumors, incorrect statements, exaggerations and plain ole fibs. I say they don't have to promise anything to get a sale.

Really? You know that placing a bridge over the state hwy is FAR from golf cart connectivity. Lame try. I think the folks that went through the sales process know more about it than you do.

dewilson58
05-09-2020, 08:45 PM
So are you insinuating that the many people that have posted here that their agent told them there would be connectivity by spring 2020 are lying?


You have been on this board long enough to know Gracie would not say or insinuate many people are lying.



No need to attack individuals, attack a topic if you need to attack.


As stated: This topic is old and will not be settled on ToTV.

We should bring it to a constructive conclusion so everyone knows their options and can move forward.

coffeebean
05-09-2020, 09:28 PM
I live north of 466, and when Brownwood was new I drove my golf cart to it, with all the in an outs and cross overs and back, that was the first and last time. Sometime it just makes since to use your car.

I'm counting on your experience to discourage folks in the Southern Oaks area from golf carting to Lake Sumter Landing and Spanish Springs.

tvbound
05-09-2020, 10:42 PM
Aren't they placing the bridges right now?? This is May...………….Not far off from Spring.


As of the other day there are now 2 bridges across 44, but those who are on the other side of the turnpike and have been in their homes for several years now, are still not connected to the rest of TV.

In my research, I saw where the developer has posted that it would be early next year (2021) before that will occur.

Even when that occurs and even minimal retail development finally gets completed on the very south end, to us that's still a long golf cart ride to places like Lake Sumpter Landing and is the reason we are looking for something a lot closer to LSL.

tvbound
05-09-2020, 10:46 PM
I'm counting on your experience to discourage folks in the Southern Oaks area from golf carting to Lake Sumter Landing and Spanish Springs.

It might be fun once, taking a picnic lunch and making a leisurely day out of it, but we can't imagine trying to do it every time we want to play a championship course (anticipating doing it about 3 times a week).

VApeople
05-10-2020, 04:09 AM
Even when that occurs and even minimal retail development finally gets completed on the very south end, to us that's still a long golf cart ride to places like Lake Sumter Landing and is the reason we are looking for something a lot closer to LSL.

If being near LSL is important to you, then it would be good to live near there.

We live in Osceola Hills and go to LSL every so often, but we drive to the Southern area several times a week. Yesterday, I drove there to play golf at Marshview and today we may go to Bradford to go for a walk or a bike ride.

To each his own.

Trishakaye
05-10-2020, 06:37 AM
I have a bridge to sell you.

At last, some humor!

Marathon Man
05-10-2020, 07:00 AM
so you don't get it -- the y did not own the adjacent land -- they just went ahead without adequate access and lied -- have since filled in some areas -- but as long as they can spin their tales -- they seem no hurry to build anything but houses...

Yea. And Disney started building the Magic Kingdom before owning the land for the parking lot.

I tell ya, the things people come up with.

Travelhunter
05-10-2020, 07:33 AM
My husband and I moved to Marsh Bend from St Charles a year ago.
We love our house and the neighborhood with it's parks but we really feel like second class citizens. Our agent told us that the golf cart bridge over the highway and our shopping center would be finished in the fall of 2019. Neither were finished and now they are putting the bridge over 44 to Chitty Chatty tonight. That Village was started six months after ours was completed. What gives? Have they forgotten about Marsh Bend and Fenny?

What’s interesting to me is the real frustration is no one from TV management communicates why there have been delays and what the new promise dates are
There is a lot of speculation from money issues to government approvals but few facts
I believe the owners in those area’s who relied on promise dates for the bridges and shopping are owed detailed explanations including new promise dates
The lack of communication adds to the frustration

biker1
05-10-2020, 08:59 AM
Who made these promises? Was it in writing?

What’s interesting to me is the real frustration is no one from TV management communicates why there have been delays and what the new promise dates are
There is a lot of speculation from money issues to government approvals but few facts
I believe the owners in those area’s who relied on promise dates for the bridges and shopping are owed detailed explanations including new promise dates
The lack of communication adds to the frustration

tophcfa
05-10-2020, 09:07 AM
What’s interesting to me is the real frustration is no one from TV management communicates why there have been delays and what the new promise dates are
There is a lot of speculation from money issues to government approvals but few facts
I believe the owners in those area’s who relied on promise dates for the bridges and shopping are owed detailed explanations including new promise dates
The lack of communication adds to the frustration

The best way to not be held accountable to meeting a promise date, is to not make one.

joseppe
05-14-2020, 12:41 AM
As you may soon find out ,the 4th generation are all about making money and selling houses sell'em and forget'em.

One has to wonder why this 4th generation are bothering to build such elaborate Rec centers and doing so much nature conservation in the southern regions. Look at Everglades and the now much larger neighborhood Rec centers like Riverbend and Water Lilly. They are about making money and selling houses But I wouldn't agree with sell'em and forgetet'em. The thought planning and expenditure on elaborate Rec centers and facilities and nature conservation seems to be aimed at improving on the original vision and intention of the developer.

Yes they are probably making a 'ton' of money But they already made a ton of money off this place. I for one am glad they continue to develop this rather then packing it in and saying goodbye to the Villages and taking their Billions of dollars they already have and walking away.

HiHoSteveO
05-14-2020, 07:50 AM
If you have watched some of Gold Wing (drone footage of the construction) , they talk about the golf cart paths and show new paths as they prepare to complete bridges and connectivity between them all the way south to Fenney and Marsh cove. Due to liability and people just getting in the way, the Utube footage asks people not to cross barriers into construction zones, but it shows them doing it and so I would expect until it’s a safe area no carts on the area. Unfortunately, I would think connectivity for this area will be a 2021 event depending on construction and sales and safety factor. Watch it on Utube, the guy puts a new one about every three months. Gold wing productions on Utube.

Yes, there is a lot of good info there.
A link though to what you're talking about makes it so much easier so that every single person doesn't have to go searching.
Good though that you're reminding others that these videos exist!

Uploads from Gold Wingnut - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=UUSo2ryYtJMOtYArrjDHj8Ag)

VillageIdiots
05-14-2020, 08:55 AM
Who made these promises? Was it in writing?

Not in a contract, but there were generally available maps being handed out that clearly stated Magnolia Plaza Fall 2019 and Turnpike Bridge January 2020. Don Wiley shows a photo of said map in his latest video, with respect to Magnolia. I'm fine without either of these amenities, for now, and would be understanding of reasonable delays, especially any that are beyond the developer's control. But I'm with others with respect to facts and transparency. The lack of those only feeds the rumor mills which results in some totally ridiculous and illogical speculation.

dewilson58
05-14-2020, 09:11 AM
Not in a contract, but there were generally available maps being handed out that clearly stated Magnolia Plaza Fall 2019


If retailers don't want to come, not much TV can do. :shrug:

VApeople
05-14-2020, 09:55 AM
The lack of those only feeds the rumor mills which results in some totally ridiculous and illogical speculation.

And think how much more fun our life is because of "the rumor mills which result in some totally ridiculous and illogical speculation".

DDVeteran
05-14-2020, 10:45 AM
Who made these promises? Was it in writing?


My attorney, aka my eldest son told me if it's not in writing, it's a lie.

Number 10 GI
05-14-2020, 10:56 AM
So in summary:


Some people were told "buy now, this is it"


Some people were told "connectivity by _______"


Some people were told "shops & stores by _______"


And some of these some people (appears to be a few) feel they were lied to.
These some of some can be happy or be mad.
If mad, they can leave or stay and they can sue or not sue.
If leave, they will make a profit on their house.
If sue, they need to show financial losses or mental anguish.
Financial lost?? Cost of short ride to promised stores vs. existing stores???
Not sure how some of some will determine MA.


What did I miss in the above summary??


This topic is old and will not be settled on ToTV.

We should bring it to a constructive conclusion so everyone knows their options and can move forward.


:ho:

You forgot to add that Katie Belles would be here forever.

dewilson58
05-14-2020, 10:58 AM
My attorney, aka my eldest son told me if it's not in writing, it's a lie.


Did he put that in writing??? :MOJE_whot:





(sorry, couldn't resist)

biker1
05-14-2020, 11:21 AM
All plans don’t come in on time, for various reasons. I questioned the use of the word “promise”.


Not in a contract, but there were generally available maps being handed out that clearly stated Magnolia Plaza Fall 2019 and Turnpike Bridge January 2020. Don Wiley shows a photo of said map in his latest video, with respect to Magnolia. I'm fine without either of these amenities, for now, and would be understanding of reasonable delays, especially any that are beyond the developer's control. But I'm with others with respect to facts and transparency. The lack of those only feeds the rumor mills which results in some totally ridiculous and illogical speculation.

JoMar
05-14-2020, 02:10 PM
All plans don’t come in on time, for various reasons. I questioned the use of the word “promise”.

I believe the Developers lack of communictions is because he views this site as a source of entertainment. There is probably a contest in the board room for the most outlandish post on here, the post closest to the facts and the post for the most clueless :). It's his game, he plays it well, provides and outstanding product and the majority that live here are satisfied. In non COVID 19 times all amenitites are open to all and it boggles the mind that people are inconvienenced because they may have to drive in a car for 10 minutes to have fun.

Number 10 GI
05-14-2020, 03:01 PM
[QUOTE=JoMar;1765050]I believe the Developers lack of communictions is because he views this site as a source of entertainment. There is probably a contest in the board room for the most outlandish post on here, the post closest to the facts and the post for the most clueless :). It's his game, he plays it well, provides and outstanding product and the majority that live here are satisfied. In non COVID 19 times all amenitites are open to all and it boggles the mind that people are inconvienenced because they may have to drive in a car for 10 minutes to have fun.[/QUOTE

coffeebean
05-14-2020, 03:33 PM
OF COURSE WE ARE !!
It's a mini road trip for entertainment..
Half the fun of living here is to scout about in the cart.
Try it, you might like it..
:coolsmiley::coolsmiley:

Folks will do it once, do it twice, maybe three times. After that....nah.

coffeebean
05-14-2020, 03:43 PM
I can’t wait to drive to OIA! 🤪

Golf cart connectivity will be the top topic of conversation!

coffeebean
05-14-2020, 03:45 PM
I live in Mallory and will definitely be making a road trip when the bridges are finished just for the heck of it.

We live in Mallory and have been to Brownwood once in our golf cart. Always take the car. Not interested at all to go to the southern Villages in a golf cart. Waaaaaaay too far to go in a golf cart. But that is just us.

bmarlo767
05-15-2020, 10:10 AM
It took them 20 minuts to move the bridge over 44

bmarlo767
05-15-2020, 10:40 AM
My husband and were talking about this. We think that IF they complete the bridge by Chitty Chatty first, it could be because that neighborhood has no access to any golf course or amenities from their golf cart. Just a thought because the other neighborhoods south of 44 all have access to golf courses, a Rec. Center and the Finney Grill. Time will tell. Have a great day and stay safe!

looks to me like they are building a golf course there now.

ditka41
05-15-2020, 11:21 AM
I've lived in DeSoto for 1-1/2 years and love it. We are in our third home in TV, spanning 11 years, and it's the best place yet. I have heard very few complaints about the "delayed" delivery of MMP access to the north. Most residents here appreciate the quiet evenings, lack of traffic, and the most attractive building sites. There are no "broken" promises involved because no promises were ever made. The "projections" by the sales / marketing groups were simply overly-optimistic. Patience, buttercups, we will all be connected at some point, and be free to fire up the golf carts and travel north to join our fellow Villagers. In the meantime, enjoy the A/C cars, higher speed limits, etc., and please find a new topic to waste your thoughts on. This constant whining does not increase the value of any property in The Villages (including your's) and seems very petty. Until you have developed an equally successful facility, be grateful for the "family" that is doing a great job in general.

Bogie Shooter
05-15-2020, 01:07 PM
I've lived in DeSoto for 1-1/2 years and love it. We are in our third home in TV, spanning 11 years, and it's the best place yet. I have heard very few complaints about the "delayed" delivery of MMP access to the north. Most residents here appreciate the quiet evenings, lack of traffic, and the most attractive building sites. There are no "broken" promises involved because no promises were ever made. The "projections" by the sales / marketing groups were simply overly-optimistic. Patience, buttercups, we will all be connected at some point, and be free to fire up the golf carts and travel north to join our fellow Villagers. In the meantime, enjoy the A/C cars, higher speed limits, etc., and please find a new topic to waste your thoughts on. This constant whining does not increase the value of any property in The Villages (including your's) and seems very petty. Until you have developed an equally successful facility, be grateful for the "family" that is doing a great job in general.

:coolsmiley:

coffeebean
05-15-2020, 06:05 PM
Can anybody explain why some people feel that they have to drive a golf cart everywhere ??

The open air cart is a completely different experience than driving in a car with the windows all open. It just is. Wild life can be appreciated more in an open air golf cart. My first venture from Mallory Square to Lake Miona Rec Center, I emerged from the tunnel to see two sand hill cranes just a couple of yards from my cart. I gasped in excitement. They were beautiful up close. Ever since then, I can really appreciate riding in the golf cart as a unique experience here in The Villages. Love the tunnel system. Genius!