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GoodLife
05-07-2020, 05:58 PM
ALBANY — The majority of recently hospitalized coronavirus patients in New York are people who have followed the precaution of staying home, Gov. Cuomo said Wednesday.
The governor said it was “shocking" that 66% of new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who are either retired or unemployed and not commuting to work on a regular basis.
Cuomo: 66 percent of new coronavirus NY cases at home - New York Daily News (https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-cuomo-coronavirus-stats-20200506-eyqui4b5lfdn7g6cqswkf6otly-story.html#rt=chartbeat-flt)
Stu from NYC
05-07-2020, 06:19 PM
How can this be
GoodLife
05-07-2020, 06:40 PM
How can this be
I have no idea. Maybe HVAC systems in large apartment buildings or sewage systems?
If you are in a single family home the only way you can get it is if you go to grocery store/pharmacy etc or someone living with you brings it home.
Velvet
05-07-2020, 07:05 PM
If you look at other data, these people likely live in dense situations, many members to a household, one of them going out to work. These are not people who live one couple to a detached house like in TV going out just for groceries or golf.
Aces4
05-07-2020, 07:06 PM
ALBANY — The majority of recently hospitalized coronavirus patients in New York are people who have followed the precaution of staying home, Gov. Cuomo said Wednesday.
The governor said it was “shocking" that 66% of new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who are either retired or unemployed and not commuting to work on a regular basis.
Cuomo: 66 percent of new coronavirus NY cases at home - New York Daily News (https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-cuomo-coronavirus-stats-20200506-eyqui4b5lfdn7g6cqswkf6otly-story.html#rt=chartbeat-flt)
Nursing “homes” included in that number? Remember, many people still had to go to work and dragged the virus home to their families. Others completely ignored the restrictions but said they stayed home.
GoodLife
05-07-2020, 07:35 PM
Nursing “homes” included in that number? Remember, many people still had to go to work and dragged the virus home to their families. Others completely ignored the restrictions but said they stayed home.
Cuomo said 18% of new cases came from nursing homes, not included in the 66%
Altavia
05-07-2020, 08:42 PM
Just says they weren't working, not that they stayed home?
kathyspear
05-07-2020, 08:54 PM
Maybe they were infected prior to the lockdown?
kathy
Nucky
05-08-2020, 12:56 AM
Maybe it is a miscalculation just as there have been several others. Wasn't staying home was what they were supposed to be doing?
queasy27
05-08-2020, 01:26 AM
Seems reasonable that those people who "stayed home" also "went out" for groceries, walks, appointments, etc., as did those they live with.
The Daily News headline is misleading. It's not "66% of new cases," it's 66% of hew hospital admissions."
According to the data, 18% of new cases came from nursing homes, 4% from assisted-living facilities, 2% from congregate-care facilities, 2% were homeless, less than 1% from prisons and 8% were marked as “other." So more than half of the 66% were either in group living, homeless or unknown.
dewilson58
05-08-2020, 05:10 AM
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The governor said it was “shocking" that 66% of new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who are either retired or unemployed and not commuting to work on a regular basis.
The point of NY (to me) is they waited too long to pay attention. Their ignorance or arrogance kept them from distancing early on. Part of this was a result of the lack of Governor's direction. IF they 66% number is true, they people were already infected by the time they "stayed at home".
mgibbs41
05-08-2020, 05:15 AM
It was later determined that these folks had outside people ( caregivers) coming into their homes regularly. They did not disclose this in the 1st news broadcast. The news made it sound like they magically got the virus, and how can that happen. We all know its human to human transfer.
Annie66
05-08-2020, 05:38 AM
The point of NY (to me) is they waited too long to pay attention. Their ignorance or arrogance kept them from distancing early on. Part of this was a result of the lack of Governor's direction. IF they 66% number is true, they people were already infected by the time they "stayed at home".
I think you missed the point. Maybe early on (i.e., more than ago), NY was slow to react, but these are new relatively cases; well beyond the accepted 14-day period.
dewilson58
05-08-2020, 05:51 AM
I think you missed the point. Maybe early on (i.e., more than ago), NY was slow to react, but these are new relatively cases; well beyond the accepted 14-day period.
"I think you missed the point." Slow to react, did not social distance. They had human to human contact at some point (or within the spit zone) recently with the thousands and thousand of the infected.
noslices1
05-08-2020, 06:32 AM
25% of the deaths in NY are from residents of assisted living facilities because Cuomo made them take in COVID-19 patients. 5500+ deaths in these facilities.
DanBrew
05-08-2020, 06:45 AM
That is correct Gov Cuomo. It is up to me, not the almighty government to determine what is right for me. Yea, I know all the haters will come out of the woodwork and state what a selfish ahole I am, but I just simply fervently believe in PERSONAL accountability and responsibility. I suppose it is my independent spirit or perhaps my zest for liberty. I just want the government to do their jobs, not mine. Get this country rolling again and stay the hell out of the way. Allow individuals to be just that and pursue life, liberty, and happiness and stop promising that to everyone. That is our own job.
diamond2005
05-08-2020, 07:15 AM
ALBANY — The majority of recently hospitalized coronavirus patients in New York are people who have followed the precaution of staying home, Gov. Cuomo said Wednesday.
The governor said it was “shocking" that 66% of new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who are either retired or unemployed and not commuting to work on a regular basis.
Cuomo: 66 percent of new coronavirus NY cases at home - New York Daily News (https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-cuomo-coronavirus-stats-20200506-eyqui4b5lfdn7g6cqswkf6otly-story.html#rt=chartbeat-flt)
You really do not believe that BS, do you? If you don’t leave the home, how can you be infected? Some more NY BS!
rlcooper70
05-08-2020, 07:24 AM
I think we all know that these people got the virus from somewhere outside their home. They were either "out" before they quarantined or else they went out. You don't get it from living in NYC.
Lindsyburnsy
05-08-2020, 07:25 AM
You may be on to something. HVAC systems in a building, like a giant cruise ship could be the culprit. Not that many single family homes within the city.....I don't think.
Klatu
05-08-2020, 07:31 AM
Density is likely a major factor, I think. New Yorkers and residents of any city living in close quarters with others are very vulnerable. That is why Miami Dade has more serious problems that other places in Florida where we are more spread out. Outsiders and fear mongers suggested The Villages would be a hot spot but we generally live well apart from our neighbors, only coming together for activities or socializing, not in the day-to-day business of living. Live close: breath others' air. Live farther away: breath fresh air. Lesson: density can be deadly.
Cheapbas
05-08-2020, 07:31 AM
He was on Colbert last night. It basically comes down to the personal habits of individuals: washing hands, masks, Distancing. I think that combined with dense population, many family members in one dwelling. I’m sure we hear more on this.
Twiganne
05-08-2020, 07:44 AM
Yes most of their Covid developed in nursing home. Know why? It is because this ignoramus was sending diagnosed positive into nursing homes to recover or get back to the nursing home where they were a resident. This all on Cuomo. He put into law that nursing homes had to accept Covid patients. What kind of genius would force nursing homes to accept Covid positive patients when the entire population are elderly with preexisting conditions.
Rapscallion St Croix
05-08-2020, 07:47 AM
Staying home does not equal isolation.
Daisy32163
05-08-2020, 07:49 AM
Covid 19 is spread by fecal virus-laden aerosol plumes! Virus particles linger in restrooms airborne for hours, waiting to infect the next person's respiratory system.
Think about the spread in nursing homes, prisons, ships, and multifamily households. Your viewers need to know it’s more than just washing hands.
Governor Cuomo talked about 66% Covid-19 admissions are from people who stayed home. New Yorkers live in close quarters and in apartment buildings that share plumbing supply lines. Covid-19 fecal fume transmission makes sense.
Bloomberg article explains transmission.
"novel coronavirus is shed in the feces of infected people"
"...microbes...are inhaled"
"live virus particles in stool specimens indicates a fecal-oral route for coronavirus, which may be why it’s caused outbreaks on cruise ships...Diamond Princess..."
Here is a presentation that identifies the oral-fecal method of transmission.
COVID-19 | Coronavirus: Epidemiology, Pathophysiology, Diagnostics - YouTube
The inhaled virus-laden fecal plume transmission must be told! You can handle it.
Hey, stay out of public restrooms!
graciegirl
05-08-2020, 07:52 AM
Staying home does not equal isolation.
I agree. Our granddaughter who is a line producer for one of the big three National News Networks is doing her job from her Manhattan apartment...……….However, they are getting take out. I still am not getting food from outside our home that is prepared. I am even suspicious of fresh fruits like blueberries and strawberries...who handled them and when?
Don't jump on me. I have the protective instinct built into almost every mother in the universe. I keep telling her she is damned dumb to get take out. She makes more money than any one in our family ever did. She is respectful to me, but she doesn't listen.
Topspinmo
05-08-2020, 07:59 AM
The point of NY (to me) is they waited too long to pay attention. Their ignorance or arrogance kept them from distancing early on. Part of this was a result of the lack of Governor's direction. IF they 66% number is true, they people were already infected by the time they "stayed at home".
Don’t forget the mayor.
Topspinmo
05-08-2020, 08:01 AM
I agree. Our granddaughter who is a line producer for one of the big three National News Networks is doing her job from her Manhattan apartment...……….However, they are getting take out. I still am not getting food from outside our home that is prepared. I am even suspicious of fresh fruits like blueberries and strawberries...who handled them and when?
Don't jump on me. I have the protective instinct built into almost every mother in the universe. I keep telling her she is damned dumb to get take out. She makes more money than any one in our family ever did. She is respectful to me, but she doesn't listen.
Few do, once they get out and especially in college.
Topspinmo
05-08-2020, 08:04 AM
Covid 19 is spread by fecal virus-laden aerosol plumes! Virus particles linger in restrooms airborne for hours, waiting to infect the next person's respiratory system.
Think about the spread in nursing homes, prisons, ships, and multifamily households. Your viewers need to know it’s more than just washing hands.
Governor Cuomo talked about 66% Covid-19 admissions are from people who stayed home. New Yorkers live in close quarters and in apartment buildings that share plumbing supply lines. Covid-19 fecal fume transmission makes sense.
Bloomberg article explains transmission.
"novel coronavirus is shed in the feces of infected people"
"...microbes...are inhaled"
"live virus particles in stool specimens indicates a fecal-oral route for coronavirus, which may be why it’s caused outbreaks on cruise ships...Diamond Princess..."
Here is a presentation that identifies the oral-fecal method of transmission.
COVID-19 | Coronavirus: Epidemiology, Pathophysiology, Diagnostics - YouTube
The inhaled virus-laden fecal plume transmission must be told! You can handle it.
Hey, stay out of public restrooms!
You couldn’t pay me go on cruise.
MandoMan
05-08-2020, 08:07 AM
ALBANY — The majority of recently hospitalized coronavirus patients in New York are people who have followed the precaution of staying home, Gov. Cuomo said Wednesday.
The governor said it was “shocking" that 66% of new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who are either retired or unemployed and not commuting to work on a regular basis.
Cuomo: 66 percent of new coronavirus NY cases at home - New York Daily News (https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-cuomo-coronavirus-stats-20200506-eyqui4b5lfdn7g6cqswkf6otly-story.html#rt=chartbeat-flt)
Reading both the lines and between the lines:
The article says about 25% of those who came down with the disease were in nursing homes, retirement centers, assisted living facilities, and jails.
As for the 66% that are retired or unemployed, bear in mind what things are like in New York City and the cities across the River in New Jersey. A LOT of those people could stay at home and maybe do stay at home, but live with extended families in cramped apartments, and not all of those family members stay at home. Many have essential jobs, but then have to come home to their families, including grandma and grandpa. Many of the younger people may have the virus, but not have symptoms, and because they haven’t been tested, they may pass the virus on to older people in their households without realizing it. The older people get sick and have to be hospitalized. Until all contacts possible are tested, we won’t know.
Meanwhile, most people in The Villages live alone or with one person in a house, rather than an apartment home. Everyone has access to the luxury of space, fresh air, exercise (walking). We get upset about people not keeping six feet of distance, but compare that to twelve people in the Bronx living day and night in a two bedroom apartment with 700 square feet and four essential workers coming and going. This is why there are so few cases of the virus in The Villages and so few deaths, even though our age and medical histories would lead people to expect many more cases.
We should count our blessings. Probably more than 66% of the cases here are in the group in question. But consider. So far, 78 cases in The Villages out of a population of 130,000. If it were 1%, that would be 1,300 cases. We would need SEVENTEEN TIMES as many cases to equal that number, and that is the number sick, not dead. Off the top of my head, about 0.06% of people in The Villages have been diagnosed. By contrast, on average, 0.1% of the people who catch the flu every year die of it.
This must be one of the safer places to be in the whole country.
karostay
05-08-2020, 08:07 AM
25% of the deaths in NY are from residents of assisted living facilities because Cuomo made them take in COVID-19 patients. 5500+ deaths in these facilities.
Como and De Blasio should be brought up on murder charges
If the patients were sent to proper medical facilities like Javits Center.Central Park Field hospital
USNS Comfort Medical Ship instead patents were directed over to their crony connected nursing homes
They would have had a fighting chance.
At the nursing homes the bill is paid by the government 100 %
The other facilities no one would have profited is was all about $$$$$$
dcurrie947
05-08-2020, 08:45 AM
I started to write about a conversation we had yesterday with a young lady who works in the lab of one of the large hospitals in Leesburg. If you want to find out first hand the truth about COVID talk to someone who works at a hospital. You will get the relief that this virus is not as bad as being reported and angered when you hear the truth. She said every person is swabbed when they walk in the door, takes 10 minutes for results. 2 have tested positive in the last 3 months, zero deaths. Seek the truth.
rlcooper70
05-08-2020, 08:53 AM
The key word is "hospitalizations" and that is not what the fear-inducing headlines are about .... of course hospitalizations were of older people who are not working. This is no news - just a sensationalized headline from the lay press.
Slapnut
05-08-2020, 09:04 AM
Don't believe all of the numbers of this so called virus that's reported. Remember it's the media and they only want us to believe what they report.
Slapnut
05-08-2020, 09:09 AM
Well said. I agree 100 percent with you. Don't run our lives. Stick to taking care of your states which some are really lacking.
jackandbeth
05-08-2020, 10:51 AM
No Nursing homes were at 18% separate from this number
SnowflakeinDeLaVista
05-08-2020, 11:02 AM
No nursing homes in that number. There was a separate category for that
SnowflakeinDeLaVista
05-08-2020, 11:16 AM
Lack of governors direction? What? We are talking about a guy that has been honest, direct, allowed doctors, scientists and health professionals to bring facts to the public, and in many cases delivered tough news with empathy. I have been impressed with his candor and level of concern.
sipops
05-08-2020, 11:20 AM
What NY is not saying any one that died at home will be considered to have died from the corona virus. No testing, no autopsy no proof. It's all about the money. Once cities and states were getting funding for each corona virus case and money for using a ventilators, I stopped believing the numbers. The mayor of NY added 3700 deaths to the list from the virus.
GoodLife
05-08-2020, 11:31 AM
Lack of governors direction? What? We are talking about a guy that has been honest, direct, allowed doctors, scientists and health professionals to bring facts to the public, and in many cases delivered tough news with empathy. I have been impressed with his candor and level of concern.
Yeah, he's doing a heck of a job up there.
Population:
Florida: 21,500,000
New York: 19,500,000
Coronavirus cases:
FL: 38,828
NY: 337,421
Coronavirus deaths:
FL: 1,600
NY: 26,365
billethkid
05-08-2020, 11:37 AM
Staying home.....a very relative term.
To those of us in TV staying home is in our house.
Ditto for locations with single family dwellings.
Staying home in NYC very well means in a multi floor, multi family apartment/condo type building.
Totally different exposure profiles.
Shawn70
05-08-2020, 11:54 AM
We were supposed to stay home until the curve flattened. That happened in most places weeks ago
jimjamuser
05-08-2020, 12:20 PM
ALBANY — The majority of recently hospitalized coronavirus patients in New York are people who have followed the precaution of staying home, Gov. Cuomo said Wednesday.
The governor said it was “shocking" that 66% of new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who are either retired or unemployed and not commuting to work on a regular basis.
Cuomo: 66 percent of new coronavirus NY cases at home - New York Daily News (https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-cuomo-coronavirus-stats-20200506-eyqui4b5lfdn7g6cqswkf6otly-story.html#rt=chartbeat-flt)
Retired means that they are old (like we in the Villages). Unemployed means that they have above-average stress or underlying conditions. 50% of total deaths are in the 75 plus age group. Those are some factors and there could be others.
jimjamuser
05-08-2020, 12:29 PM
Density is likely a major factor, I think. New Yorkers and residents of any city living in close quarters with others are very vulnerable. That is why Miami Dade has more serious problems that other places in Florida where we are more spread out. Outsiders and fear mongers suggested The Villages would be a hot spot but we generally live well apart from our neighbors, only coming together for activities or socializing, not in the day-to-day business of living. Live close: breath others' air. Live farther away: breath fresh air. Lesson: density can be deadly.
I agree density is a big factor. There are many, many.
jimjamuser
05-08-2020, 12:41 PM
Covid 19 is spread by fecal virus-laden aerosol plumes! Virus particles linger in restrooms airborne for hours, waiting to infect the next person's respiratory system.
Think about the spread in nursing homes, prisons, ships, and multifamily households. Your viewers need to know it’s more than just washing hands.
Governor Cuomo talked about 66% Covid-19 admissions are from people who stayed home. New Yorkers live in close quarters and in apartment buildings that share plumbing supply lines. Covid-19 fecal fume transmission makes sense.
Bloomberg article explains transmission.
"novel coronavirus is shed in the feces of infected people"
"...microbes...are inhaled"
"live virus particles in stool specimens indicates a fecal-oral route for coronavirus, which may be why it’s caused outbreaks on cruise ships...Diamond Princess..."
Here is a presentation that identifies the oral-fecal method of transmission.
COVID-19 | Coronavirus: Epidemiology, Pathophysiology, Diagnostics - YouTube
The inhaled virus-laden fecal plume transmission must be told! You can handle it.
Hey, stay out of public restrooms!
There is a joke in the "fecal virus-laden aerosol plumes" that Butthead and Beaves could exploit. Or a possible weapon for a spy agency? But, seriously it is a possible factor and something further to watch out for and worry about. Good info.
jimjamuser
05-08-2020, 12:49 PM
Lack of governors direction? What? We are talking about a guy that has been honest, direct, allowed doctors, scientists and health professionals to bring facts to the public, and in many cases delivered tough news with empathy. I have been impressed with his candor and level of concern.
I agree.
doodles
05-08-2020, 01:46 PM
It just shows how contagious this virus is. Even those that followed the guidelines went out for groceries and takeout.
Velvet
05-08-2020, 01:56 PM
You may be on to something. HVAC systems in a building, like a giant cruise ship could be the culprit. Not that many single family homes within the city.....I don't think.
I think that this is a pretty damn good likely explanation. Yes, most of the buildings seem to be condos, high rises in NYC and ONE infected person, through HVAC system can contaminate everyone else in that building. Also high rises really are similar to cruise ships.
Aloha1
05-08-2020, 03:44 PM
Covid 19 is spread by fecal virus-laden aerosol plumes! Virus particles linger in restrooms airborne for hours, waiting to infect the next person's respiratory system.
Think about the spread in nursing homes, prisons, ships, and multifamily households. Your viewers need to know it’s more than just washing hands.
Governor Cuomo talked about 66% Covid-19 admissions are from people who stayed home. New Yorkers live in close quarters and in apartment buildings that share plumbing supply lines. Covid-19 fecal fume transmission makes sense.
Bloomberg article explains transmission.
"novel coronavirus is shed in the feces of infected people"
"...microbes...are inhaled"
"live virus particles in stool specimens indicates a fecal-oral route for coronavirus, which may be why it’s caused outbreaks on cruise ships...Diamond Princess..."
Here is a presentation that identifies the oral-fecal method of transmission.
COVID-19 | Coronavirus: Epidemiology, Pathophysiology, Diagnostics - YouTube
The inhaled virus-laden fecal plume transmission must be told! You can handle it.
Hey, stay out of public restrooms!
You gotta be kidding me. :popcorn:
jimjamuser
05-08-2020, 05:35 PM
It just shows how contagious this virus is. Even those that followed the guidelines went out for groceries and takeout.
Very contagious. If you take national deaths and divide by cases you get 6%. 75% of the total deaths nationwide are over age 65. In Fl. deaths divided by cases is 4.2%. So 75% of 4.2 is 3.15%. If you take Sumter, Marion, and Lake together, you get 4.9%. Then 75% of that is 3.7%. So, 3.7% of the people you run into daily in the Villages area will probably die before this is over. CV IS very deadly!
GoodLife
05-08-2020, 07:30 PM
Very contagious. If you take national deaths and divide by cases you get 6%. 75% of the total deaths nationwide are over age 65. In Fl. deaths divided by cases is 4.2%. So 75% of 4.2 is 3.15%. If you take Sumter, Marion, and Lake together, you get 4.9%. Then 75% of that is 3.7%. So, 3.7% of the people you run into daily in the Villages area will probably die before this is over. CV IS very deadly!
And after they run antibody tests on everybody the death rate will be less than 1%
graciegirl
05-08-2020, 08:54 PM
And after they run antibody tests on everybody the death rate will be less than 1%
We will see. The worst will be our peers in age.
Nucky
05-08-2020, 09:27 PM
Lack of governors direction? What? We are talking about a guy that has been honest, direct, allowed doctors, scientists and health professionals to bring facts to the public, and in many cases delivered tough news with empathy. I have been impressed with his candor and level of concern.
The very first time I ever listened to De Santis was after the Spring Breakers went on the beach. I was very upset, more than upset really. He sorta came off like a wimp. I liked the Governor before him because with Scott you knew exactly what was happening. De Santis is not the communicator Scott was.
He has since won me over a bit. He is just a different easier communicator. Was he a Brain Surgeon who saved us with the things he did or did we save ourselves by mostly doing the correct and recommended things? Time will tell.
The establishments around The Villages who did the wrong thing or permitted the wrong thing to occur on their property will never see a nickel of my money after this is done and over with. I would imagine some others feel the same way.
Stay Safe. :pray: Peace Out!
mneumann02
05-08-2020, 09:39 PM
Very contagious. If you take national deaths and divide by cases you get 6%. 75% of the total deaths nationwide are over age 65. In Fl. deaths divided by cases is 4.2%. So 75% of 4.2 is 3.15%. If you take Sumter, Marion, and Lake together, you get 4.9%. Then 75% of that is 3.7%. So, 3.7% of the people you run into daily in the Villages area will probably die before this is over. CV IS very deadly!
While I agree about how contagious and deadly this disease is (and take issue with those who think their "rights" trump steps to prevent them from transferring the disease to others with possible lethal consequences), I'd like to correct your math. Using your figures, 3.7% of people you "run into" will NOT "probably die." Your 3.7% figure is for those over 65 who CONTRACT the virus. (The actual number is closer to 10%.) The contagion rate for Sumter County is about 0.2 %. So, using your figure of 3.7%, mortality is about 0.0074% of the people you meet, less than 1/10 of 1%. But I still do not like those odds.
ALadysMom
05-08-2020, 10:27 PM
Staying home.....a very relative term.
To those of us in TV staying home is in our house.
Ditto for locations with single family dwellings.
Staying home in NYC very well means in a multi floor, multi family apartment/condo type building.
Totally different exposure profiles.
When I heard Cuomo say that the unemployed and retired people who were hospitalized In NYC had stayed at home I laughed out loud. No one in NYC ever “stays at home.” Not really. Not in isolation. They have housekeepers, caregivers, spouses, children, and others coming in and out. They go out to exercise, walk their dog, pick up takeout, go to the grocery, pharmacy, bank, and many other instances that have remained open since they were deemed essential services. Every time they go out they touch elevator buttons, breathe shared air in elevators or stairwells, touch shared handrails, doorknobs, call buttons...city dwellers are immersed in germy stuff everywhere. They are not isolated from the minute they step outside their door, even if they were alone inside.They don’t stay home. Many don’t ever cook. Studio apartments may not even have a real kitchen. Most don’t own cars so they have to rely on rideshare, taxis, buses and subways. Cuomo thinks people stay at home just because they don’t have to go out to work. He sure imputes a lot of statistical nonsense.
GoodLife
05-09-2020, 06:10 AM
Very contagious. If you take national deaths and divide by cases you get 6%. 75% of the total deaths nationwide are over age 65. In Fl. deaths divided by cases is 4.2%. So 75% of 4.2 is 3.15%. If you take Sumter, Marion, and Lake together, you get 4.9%. Then 75% of that is 3.7%. So, 3.7% of the people you run into daily in the Villages area will probably die before this is over. CV IS very deadly!
So let's see, 150,000 villagers times 3.7% equals 5500 deaths in The Villages. So far there's been maybe 20 or so. That's about 10 per month since it started here. If it lasts two years you get 240. Isn't math wonderful?
spuds51
05-09-2020, 06:29 AM
ALBANY — The majority of recently hospitalized coronavirus patients in New York are people who have followed the precaution of staying home, Gov. Cuomo said Wednesday.
The governor said it was “shocking" that 66% of new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who are either retired or unemployed and not commuting to work on a regular basis.
Cuomo: 66 percent of new coronavirus NY cases at home - New York Daily News (https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-cuomo-coronavirus-stats-20200506-eyqui4b5lfdn7g6cqswkf6otly-story.html#rt=chartbeat-flt)
They may be retired or unemployed but someone in the household left the house or they wouldn't have it. It's transferred from person to person for the most part. Someone left the house or brought something into the house that was contaminated.
CoachKandSportsguy
05-09-2020, 07:02 AM
Covid 19 is spread by fecal virus-laden aerosol plumes!
Scientific speak for pharting?
ficoguy
05-09-2020, 07:40 AM
He is shocked by the facts that were contrary to his pompous assumptions. SHOCKING!!!!!
Marvic 1
05-09-2020, 08:15 AM
Lack of governors direction? What? I have been impressed with his candor and level of concern.
So your saying it was good decision by the Governor of NY to send sick Corona-19 people to stay in the most concerned elderly nursing homes. While the Jacob's Javtis Convention Center and the Navy ship with thousands of empty hospital beds sit in NY and wait for patients that never came?
Marvic 1
05-09-2020, 08:22 AM
They may be retired or unemployed but someone in the household left the house or they wouldn't have it. It's transferred from person to person for the most part. Someone left the house or brought something into the house that was contaminated.
Early on when the stay-at-home and 6 ft suggestions were made New Yorker's did not listen they were outside, Period ..
GoodLife
05-09-2020, 08:59 AM
So your saying it was good decision by the Governor of NY to send sick Corona-19 people to stay in the most concerned elderly nursing homes. While the Jacob's Javtis Convention Center and the Navy ship with thousands of empty hospital beds sit in NY and wait for patients that never came?
Get out of my head :icon_wink:
But he has lots of empathy and talks pretty.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
05-09-2020, 09:32 AM
How can this be
It's very simple. It's simple mathematics. The vast majority of people in New York are staying home.
If 90% of the people are staying home you can expect that most of the cases of anything are going to be had by people that are staying home.
billethkid
05-09-2020, 09:46 AM
"Staying home"?
What does it mean?
Not going to work or school?
What if it was defined as not leaving the premises in which one lives.
Never encountering another person who does not live there....who also stays home.
All needs are delivered by a service of some sort.
All that enters the "home" is groceries, mail, Amazon boxes, etc.
Decontaminate everything that comes in from outside the home.
Hypothetical? Not really. That is pretty much how we have hunkered down from day one!!
Scared? No. At 83 just being smart using guidelines and common sense.
There is nothing we need to do so bad that we would put ourselves at risk to do......it will be there when this passes.
rjm1cc
05-09-2020, 10:17 AM
And these means what? I do not know but could it be that someone in the household intermixed infrequently with the general public so it took more weeks for the virous to get to them.
claricecolin
05-09-2020, 12:22 PM
"Stayed home" can mean many things. In a single family home you have room for a decontamination space, you have a garage . You can be isolated from anyone not living in your household and most likely any members in your household are not working.
It is quite a bit different here. To get my mail/deliveries that is in a communal spot. I can work from home but most of the people in my building(luckily small just 8units) have to go to work. There are 2 units with older people, one is multi generational the other their children bring them what they need. Since you can be asymptomatic and still transmit the virus it is not that hard to see how one can get it.
You also still might have to venture out. While I can easily schedule deliveries from Publix for Dad that is not the case here. Delivery slots are hard to come by, with any store. In fact, I have been waiting 3weeks for Whole Foods to get back to me with a time to order groceries. In the month of April I had 3 hours of travel: grocery store, drug store,take out garbage and get mail.
Still I am lucky, even though I can't see Dad, my son or daughter in law in person. I can get many things delivered, I have the means so I don't have to take the bus or trains. I was able to order masks when they became required. While I have limited storage I can Still have enough for 2 weeks without going to the store. I managed to see Dad before visitors were not allowed at assisted living facilities and I know he is safe.
So I can see how this can happen.
Velvet
05-09-2020, 12:26 PM
"Staying home"?
What does it mean?
Not going to work or school?
What if it was defined as not leaving the premises in which one lives.
Never encountering another person who does not live there....who also stays home.
All needs are delivered by a service of some sort.
All that enters the "home" is groceries, mail, Amazon boxes, etc.
Decontaminate everything that comes in from outside the home.
Hypothetical? Not really. That is pretty much how we have hunkered down from day one!!
Scared? No. At 83 just being smart using guidelines and common sense.
There is nothing we need to do so bad that we would put ourselves at risk to do......it will be there when this passes.
And it also applies to getting a haircut etc .... please....
jimjamuser
05-09-2020, 02:04 PM
So let's see, 150,000 villagers times 3.7% equals 5500 deaths in The Villages. So far there's been maybe 20 or so. That's about 10 per month since it started here. If it lasts two years you get 240. Isn't math wonderful?
Do the math for the city of Miami. Then realizing how CONTAGIOUS CV really is, call 240 the low range and 5,500 the high range. Everyone, for themselves, must decide how dangerous it is. But, one person does NOT exist in a vacuum. The person who believes that it is dangerous will try hard to not spread it to the larger society. If they are wrong, no problem. If you think that it will be on the low range and you will act normal. If that is wrong society suffers. It could also rebound onto the ones acting normal. The proper path will not be known for some time.
billethkid
05-09-2020, 02:54 PM
Do the math for the city of Miami. Then realizing how CONTAGIOUS CV really is, call 240 the low range and 5,500 the high range. Everyone, for themselves, must decide how dangerous it is. But, one person does NOT exist in a vacuum. The person who believes that it is dangerous will try hard to not spread it to the larger society. If they are wrong, no problem. If you think that it will be on the low range and you will act normal. If that is wrong society suffers. It could also rebound onto the ones acting normal. The proper path will not be known for some time.
And then the numbers will not impress us at all just like the flu:
2019-2020 U.S. Flu Season: Preliminary Burden Estimates | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm)
Mumbles
05-09-2020, 06:55 PM
ALBANY — The majority of recently hospitalized coronavirus patients in New York are people who have followed the precaution of staying home, Gov. Cuomo said Wednesday.[/url]
I suspect that MANY people had the virus hibernating within them way back in November or December of 2019. First of all, it was virus holiday during that time. Secondly, if it is absolutely true that all or most of these people did NOT go out to see NOT EVEN ONE other person (and maybe they don't even have a pet), then there are very few ways they could have gotten the virus, I would think. This fracking virus is so hugely powerful, I wonder if we wouldn't have had it better with small box again.
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