Why are we opening ?

[karostay]

At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette

[Stu from NYC]

I am surprised that pools and restaurants are reopening. Keep hearing that City Fire has tons of people milling around all on top of each other.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Many factor$ influence the$e deci$ion$.

[PennBF]

Have lost interest in the subject of Virus controls ! If you drive your golf cart in Sumter Landing it is astonishing how many groups are close to each other, (e.g.at Gators they are jammed in as is Red Sauce.) Then you have the Director of all Recreation Centers ignoring
the "Mask Rule"! He is the Poster Boy for those at the Squares ignoring the Doctors advise to wear a mask and "protect others". The best advise is to take care of yourself and don't preach as it is over ridden by lack of respect of your neighbor and Village Management. :ohdear:

[Tblue]

If we don’t open, many will die. Yes suicide and depression and mental health issues will rise, but so will deaths from things people do not think about. Elective surgery and screening processes are not being done in some states. How many disease process are being missed leading to death? I am thinking of things like cancer screening, colonoscopies, pacemaker battery changes, cardiac stents, the list could be endless. Damn if we do, Damn if we don’t

[bumpygreens]

We are reopening because the curve has been flattened, and we can be reasonably sure that new cases won't strain our capacity to care for them. Tens of millions of people have lost their livelihoods, and thousands of small business owners have lost everything, or are on the brink of losing everything. We are moving to the model we probably should have adopted in the first place: isolate the most vulnerable and everyone else practice good hygiene. If you don't feel safe going to a store or restaurant, don't go. But don't demand that millions of people sacrifice all they have to make you feel safe. There's no such thing as safety anyway. You can choose less risk, but guaranteed safety doesn't exist.

[billethkid]

The true reality is that at some point life must resume living for the MAJORITY to continue to survive. At some point there will be a level of new cases and deaths that will be viewed as, it is what it is, and life will go on.

Just like the millions that get the flu and many thousands of them die......EVERY YEAR.....while life goes on.

[GoodLife]

At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette

More than half of all covid 19 deaths have occurred in just 4 states. There have been zero covid 19 deaths in over half of US counties. Should we all be bound by rules more appropriate for NYC?

You don't have to "open up" and can stay home until you feel safe. If the economy is not started up soon, there will not be anything to open up.

• U.S. COVID-19 death rate by state | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/)

No COVID-19 Deaths in Over Half of US Counties | Newsmax.com (https://www.newsmax.com/us/counties-deaths-new-york-new-jersey/2020/05/07/id/966488/)

[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=karostay;1760989]At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette[/QUOTE

More than half of all covid 19 deaths have occurred in just 4 states. There have been zero covid 19 deaths in over half of US counties. Should we all be bound by rules more appropriate for NYC?

You don't have to "open up" and can stay home until you feel safe. If the economy is not started up soon, there will not be anything to open up.

• U.S. COVID-19 death rate by state | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/)

No COVID-19 Deaths in Over Half of US Counties | Newsmax.com (https://www.newsmax.com/us/counties-deaths-new-york-new-jersey/2020/05/07/id/966488/)

Because we have had no deaths in half the counties does not mean they aren't still vulnerable. I hear and agree that our economy will suffer terribly. Sometimes there are NO solutions to problems. THAT is what is scary.

[GoodLife]

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1761030]

Because we have had no deaths in half the counties does not mean they aren't still vulnerable. I hear and agree that our economy will suffer terribly. Sometimes there are NO solutions to problems. THAT is what is scary.

You are free to stay home until they can make a vaccine. The economy can't wait for that.

[GoodLife]

Population:

Florida: 21,500,000
New York: 19,500,000

Coronavirus cases:

FL: 38,828
NY: 337,421

Coronavirus deaths:

FL: 1,600
NY: 26,365

[coffeebean]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;1761032]

You are free to stay home until they can make a vaccine. The economy can't wait for that.

I wholeheartily agree with this statement. But it comes with stipulations.

Maintain social distancing strictly, even for sporting events and concerts.

Wear masks when social distancing is not a viable option.

[golfing eagles]

Population:

Florida: 21,500,000
New York: 19,500,000

Coronavirus cases:

FL: 38,828
NY: 337,421

Coronavirus deaths:

FL: 1,600
NY: 26,365


Average influenza season 44,000 Americans die in a population of about 330 million, or 1 in every 7500

Florida population 21,500,000 divided by 7500 = 2867 expected deaths from flu. Covid 19 deaths = 1600

That's why we are "opening up" Anyone who wants to stay home may feel free to do so.

[Stu from NYC]

Eventually we might all get it. Longer this goes on wondering if destroying the economy and many lives is worth it. As someone said earlier on this thread sometimes there is no right answer.

[dewilson58]

Why R we opening??..................nothing worse than grandparents getting a divorce.

[Bogie Shooter]

Population:

Florida: 21,500,000
New York: 19,500,000

Coronavirus cases:

FL: 38,828
NY: 337,421

Coronavirus deaths:

FL: 1,600
NY: 26,365

Where are the number of tests??

[golfing eagles]

Where are the number of tests??

513,341 tests done in Florida, so about 7% positive

[Topspinmo]

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1761038]

I wholeheartily agree with this statement. But it comes with stipulations.

Maintain social distancing strictly, even for sporting events and concerts.

Wear masks when social distancing is not a viable option.


What sporting and concert event?

[coffeebean]

What sporting and concert event?
All sporting events.....baseball, basketball, football to name three.
All concerts.....every one of them.

Social distancing is what I would like to see at all these events. Don't know how that is possible though.

[thelegges]

Tonight in Brownwood, bluefin, city fire, all had tables space out 6 ft. There were chairs at the bar chairs spaced out can’t be moved. This is the 5 day I have eaten out, and watched the social distance restaurants are following. Actually watched a person taking pictures, walked around both restaurants multiple times before taking a picture, from the outside.

If you looked at the angle the picture was taken, it looked like everybody was sitting on top of each other. Not the 6 feet each table was really spaced at. Took a lot of patience to finally get the picture that will make those restaurants look bad. Such a shame

Why are we opening, think of those who have no income, no food for their children, and no way to pay rent. The system failed those who apply for unemployment

[Nucky]

Nice coffee, Nice ride in the car, Nice wifey. This will be the way it goes hopefully until June 1st at my house. Somehow, Someway I think we shall survive.

[golfing eagles]

Tonight in Brownwood, bluefin, city fire, all had tables space out 6 ft. There were chairs at the bar chairs spaced out can’t be moved. This is the 5 day I have eaten out, and watched the social distance restaurants are following. Actually watched a person taking pictures, walked around both restaurants multiple times before taking a picture, from the outside.

If you looked at the angle the picture was taken, it looked like everybody was sitting on top of each other. Not the 6 feet each table was really spaced at. Took a lot of patience to finally get the picture that will make those restaurants look bad. Such a shame

Why are we opening, think of those who have no income, no food for their children, and no way to pay rent. The system failed those who apply for unemployment


Same thing a month ago on golf courses. Why is it that some people never learned to MYOB. Who appointed them official COVID police/photographers? One day they are going to snap a picture of the wrong person---sort of like Don Barzini in "The Godfather"

[2dogs2people]

[If they stop sending recovering covid 19 patients to rest homes, all woul19 patientsu
are reopening because the curve has been flattened, and we can be reasonably sure that new cases won't strain our capacity to care for them. Tens of millions of people have lost their livelihoods, and thousands of small business owners have lost everything, or are on the brink of losing everything. We are moving to the model we probably should have adopted in the first place: isolate the most vulnerable and everyone else practice good hygiene. If you don't feel safe going to a store or restaurant, don't go. But don't demand that millions of people sacrifice all they have to make you feel safe. There's no such thing as safety anyway. You can choose less risk, but guaranteed safety doesn't exist.[/QUOTE]

[Rwirish]

Time to open or there will be nothing of an economy left to open to.

[fishon]

Don't take life Too Serious ..It isn't permanent

[Luvs21putt]

Every year tens of thousands of people die of the flu. Are you willing to shut down the world so people don’t get the flu?? If not, then your same answer should apply in this instance .

This has always been about protecting hospitals from being overwhelmed with everyone getting it at the same time because it is so contagious and worse than the flu. It is NOT about keeping everyone from getting it. Is your hospital close to being overwhelmed? Well there is your answer to why we are opening up

Here is another way to look at it. Tens of thousands of people die in car accidents every year. Many times because people are selfish and reckless when they drive. Are you willing to change the speed limit to 10 mph so that people don’t die from the actions of selfish people?

You can’t live in a perfectly safe world. You can make your own self as safe as you can.

[Slapnut]

It's hard to believe the statistics related to this virus. It's the medias way of scaring the people and a way of control and manipulation. Don't believe everything you read

[J1ceasar]

I agree. Wait two weeks and see the uptick . we are all in the hi death group .its all about the $$$$ . sorry so many business will close. But better than more funerals .

[golfing eagles]

I agree. Wait two weeks and see the uptick . we are all in the hi death group .its all about the $$$$ . sorry so many business will close. But better than more funerals .

Great. Another "expert" prediction

[PugMom]

Tonight in Brownwood, bluefin, city fire, all had tables space out 6 ft. There were chairs at the bar chairs spaced out can’t be moved. This is the 5 day I have eaten out, and watched the social distance restaurants are following. Actually watched a person taking pictures, walked around both restaurants multiple times before taking a picture, from the outside.

If you looked at the angle the picture was taken, it looked like everybody was sitting on top of each other. Not the 6 feet each table was really spaced at. Took a lot of patience to finally get the picture that will make those restaurants look bad. Such a shame

Why are we opening, think of those who have no income, no food for their children, and no way to pay rent. The system failed those who apply for unemployment
i agree photos can be misleading. depending on where you stand, & @ what angle you shoot, it can appear everyone is 'on top' of 1 another. point being we were @ 1 of the places where it was said people were crowding, when in reality, i saw nothing of the kind. knowing there are the 'fun police' watching every move is nothing short of pitiful

[Windguy]

I look around at the people ignoring the safety guidelines and marvel at the number of people who have nominated themselves for the Darwin Award. As an asthma sufferer, I’ll be hiding out until there are treatments that reduce the likelihood of death. Especially for people like me.

[pooderpask]

Because life has to go on and we have to adapt to changes we face.

[rickdankert]

People need to work. They have families to feed. Unlike retirees who are are on fixed incomes. If you don’t feel safe going out, just stay home.

[janseiffert54@gmail.com]

Very well put.

[Skunky1]

Open everything and let the natural selection begin

[Leadbone1]

At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette

First of all, your numbers are off. I just checked them this minute and you’re about 300 high (1687) on the new deaths and you are way low on the recovered (223749) Secondly we’re not going to destroy our country economically over something that now as we find out more people have this is no more deadly than the flu which we never shut down for. If you don’t want to open up then stay home. That’s your choice, but you don’t have the choice for the rest of us.

[guitarguy]

Great read
Woodstock Occurred in the Middle of a Pandemic – AIER (https://www.aier.org/article/woodstock-occurred-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic/)

[Bay Kid]

Something is going to get you sooner or later. If scared please stay home.

[maxfl1]

All those who are receiving income or financially solid and want things to stay closed should have no say in the matter. And, remember, two years ago almost a million were hospitalized and there were about 80,000 deaths (per CDC) and nothing closed, nothing in the news about it either You have trade offs to make. There are millions suffering with zero income and many sit at home fat, dumb and happy. Nope. You are free to stay home but the others must get back to work (you do realize payroll taxes fund medicare, et. al., right?)

Another thing.....are we going to close down again next year? the year after? You realize sooner or later we will be hit again with another flu epidemic, right? Next time, nothing closes. You have to trust people will take precautions to protect themselves (like we have before) and others can stay at home again fat dumb and happy if they want. Otherwise, it's goodbye USA and by that time you probably should learn to speak Chinese.

[nancyre]

66% of the new infections in NY, were folks not working and on stay at home orders. Think about it

[Skunky1]

Fear does not stop death. It stops life. And worrying doesn’t take away tomorrow’s troubles.It takes away today’s peace.

[Dawnsville]

Well said ty

[sallybowron]

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1761038]

I wholeheartily agree with this statement. But it comes with stipulations.

Maintain social distancing strictly, even for sporting events and concerts.

Wear masks when social distancing is not a viable option.

How does one get their sustenance if they cannot go out? Even the people who need to stay at home need food, money from the bank, religious services, etc. My husband and I have stayed home for almost 4 weeks but we see other people gathering in large groups without masks. WE WENT TO A REC CENTER AND SAT IN THE PAVILLION, NO ONE BUT US WERE WEARING MASKS. THE OTHER GROUP WAS A GROUP OF 25 PEOPLE AND ONLY ONE WORE A MASK. THEY WERE NOT SIX FEET APART.SINCE I AM IMMUNOLOGICALLY SUPPRESSED DUE TO CHEMO, I AM AT AN EVEN HIGHER RISK THAN OTHERS. tHE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES THAT CDC PUTS OUT ARE POSSIBLY KILLING US. :sing::sing::sing:

[GoodLife]

[QUOTE=coffeebean;1761217]

How does one get their sustenance if they cannot go out? Even the people who need to stay at home need food, money from the bank, religious services, etc. My husband and I have stayed home for almost 4 weeks but we see other people gathering in large groups without masks. WE WENT TO A REC CENTER AND SAT IN THE PAVILLION, NO ONE BUT US WERE WEARING MASKS. THE OTHER GROUP WAS A GROUP OF 25 PEOPLE AND ONLY ONE WORE A MASK. THEY WERE NOT SIX FEET APART.SINCE I AM IMMUNOLOGICALLY SUPPRESSED DUE TO CHEMO, I AM AT AN EVEN HIGHER RISK THAN OTHERS. tHE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES THAT CDC PUTS OUT ARE POSSIBLY KILLING US. :sing::sing::sing:

First of all, you messed up the quote function. I didn't say what you quote, coffeebean did.

Second, you can easily get groceries safely using curbside pickup or delivery. I haven't used paper money for six weeks, just credit cards. Religious services are all over the internet and TV. Nobody is going to kill you, just stay away from people.

[dewilson58]

66% of the new infections in NY, were folks not working and on stay at home orders. Think about it




fake news

[kenoc7]

At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette

Think about this - Globe editorial: Dear America: You’re sick. Get well soon. Until then, stay home. Love, Canada - The Globe and Mail (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-dear-america-youre-sick-get-well-soon-until-then-stay-home-love/?fbclid=IwAR0KsUiqBcFfHnYLzHIRldF8Q7zArt2NSFDE6zq-dXhj9ZBXyi1ycw1b8_A)

[nhtexasrn]

We must open up because if we don't the economy will collapse and our country as we all know it, will no longer exist. People need to feed their children and pay their bills. People need to visit their doctor, people need elective surgeries and treatments they are not presently getting. Some small businesses are already ruined and will never come back. Look at the big picture and not just your comfortable life because it won't be comfortable for much longer if the economy doesn't get back on track. The government cannot support every American indefinitely.

[flybaby40]

Tokyo did nothing to prevent the spread and they had only 6 death's.
Something's wrong and its Fauci.

[davem4616]

every time a decision is made some people are pleased and some are not pleased with the decision

if no decision is made, everyone is unhappy

We are living in a time where it is critical that we all take personal responsibility for our own actions....those that don't believe there is a risk will venture out like everything is back to the way it was...those that choose to stay safe will act accordingly

To all the 'wild and crazy guys'....the good news for you is that Baldwin Bros. is running a 'BOGO'

[Twiganne]

That was a great article with contrast and comparison. I caught both the swine flu when I was young (9) yea old. I was begging my mom just let me die because I was so sick. My muscles hurt and the pain made me want to be dead. Yet I survived. Same with the swine flu. Survived that too.

[karostay]

That was a great article with contrast and comparison. I caught both the swine flu when I was young (9) yea old. I was begging my mom just let me die because I was so sick. My muscles hurt and the pain made me want to be dead. Yet I survived. Same with the swine flu. Survived that too.

You had the swine flu twice ?

[ficoguy]

Well we have lost as many to CV as we have to abortion in a given year, and slightly more than traffic accident deaths

[ficoguy]

You can hide beneath he covers, but Death will find you when its your time

[Scudder]

Amen!

[graciegirl]

Great read
Woodstock Occurred in the Middle of a Pandemic – AIER (https://www.aier.org/article/woodstock-occurred-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic/)

I thought it was a great read too, and posted it on Facebook and their fact check said Woodstock was in '69 and the awful flu was in '68 or vice versa. Anyway this article is incorrect.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If we don’t open, many will die. Yes suicide and depression and mental health issues will rise, but so will deaths from things people do not think about. Elective surgery and screening processes are not being done in some states. How many disease process are being missed leading to death? I am thinking of things like cancer screening, colonoscopies, pacemaker battery changes, cardiac stents, the list could be endless. Damn if we do, Damn if we don’t

The difference is how many people you want to take with you into the grave.

You might kill yourself from depression, if you can't get out to the bocce court.

You might die of Covid-19 AND spread it to a dozen other people, if you CAN get out to the bocce court.

Though, I think the Villages residents are doing a pretty decent job of keeping the virus casualties to a minimum, I'm also glad we're maintaining the social distancing rules now that some of the activities are opening back up.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Tokyo did nothing to prevent the spread and they had only 6 death's.
Something's wrong and its Fauci.

Something is wrong and it's your source of information.

Japan COVID-19 Coronavirus Tracker (https://covid19japan.com/)

Try that. You might learn something that's actually true.

[ts12755]

Every American will get the virus. We are just controlling when. We have to stop destroying lives, families, and businesses. Dont be so self centered and selfish.

[graciegirl]

Every year tens of thousands of people die of the flu. Are you willing to shut down the world so people don’t get the flu?? If not, then your same answer should apply in this instance .

This has always been about protecting hospitals from being overwhelmed with everyone getting it at the same time because it is so contagious and worse than the flu. It is NOT about keeping everyone from getting it. Is your hospital close to being overwhelmed? Well there is your answer to why we are opening up

Here is another way to look at it. Tens of thousands of people die in car accidents every year. Many times because people are selfish and reckless when they drive. Are you willing to change the speed limit to 10 mph so that people don’t die from the actions of selfish people?

You can’t live in a perfectly safe world. You can make your own self as safe as you can.

Right now the one thing that all experts, all people who read the statistics can agree upon is this; The highest percentage of people who die from Covid-19, most say right around 80% of the people who die of Covid-19 are over 65. And the danger goes up of their dying as they get to 80 or above.

So we are not eating lunch out or having our hair cut and know that people will do what they want.

I am telling you right now, if I know you and care about you and you go out and catch this damn bug, and you die...………………..I am not wearing my BEST dress to your memorial service next year.

[oneclickplus]

I think the untold "lie" is that just about everyone will be exposed to this virus eventually. There is an assumption that it will go away or a vaccine will become available. But, the underlying reason for all the shut downs is to "flatten the curve"; that is, not overwhelm hospitals, etc. But, as my friend Nick so eloquently put it: "they're just saying that everyone has to take their turn getting this virus". I tend to agree with that understanding. Stay home if you like but don't insist that I do the same.

Open it up and let's get this over with.

[Samfl]

You can choose to wait for the Perfect time to open up or you can slowly begin the process which is what’s happening. There will not be a perfect time. Stay home if you are concerned. We have got to start reopening this country. The Herd immunity will begin to take effect by getting out into the sunshine.

[ts12755]

Everyone will get this virus. Only 100% isolation will keep it from you.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

All those who are receiving income or financially solid and want things to stay closed should have no say in the matter. And, remember, two years ago almost a million were hospitalized and there were about 80,000 deaths (per CDC) and nothing closed, nothing in the news about it either You have trade offs to make. There are millions suffering with zero income and many sit at home fat, dumb and happy. Nope. You are free to stay home but the others must get back to work (you do realize payroll taxes fund medicare, et. al., right?)

Another thing.....are we going to close down again next year? the year after? You realize sooner or later we will be hit again with another flu epidemic, right? Next time, nothing closes. You have to trust people will take precautions to protect themselves (like we have before) and others can stay at home again fat dumb and happy if they want. Otherwise, it's goodbye USA and by that time you probably should learn to speak Chinese.

The point of closing down and having all these restrictions isn't to stop the virus. It's to slow it down, and give science and the medical community time to create a vaccine and discover safe treatments for people who come down with it.

That way even if it does return next season, we will have the tools to manage it. Not necessarily cure it, and not prevent it 100% but MINIMIZE the risk, MINIMIZE the suffering, MINIMIZE the deaths that result from it.

We have no way of doing that currently except to shut things down and keep everyone away from each other. That obviously isn't something we can do long-term. It is a temporary pause so they can come up with something better, for the next time it happens.

[Waltdisney4life]

Sell the fear baby!

[ficoguy]

Lake/Marion/Sumter: Population is 855,000, 678 cases, 33 deaths - if you discount prison cases and nursing home/assisted living facilities, that's 93 of the cases in Lake and Sumter. So, ah likes mah chances....

[Tom53]

Right now the one thing that all experts, all people who read the statistics can agree upon is this; The highest percentage of people who die from Covid-19, most say right around 80% of the people who die of Covid-19 are over 65. And the danger goes up of their dying as they get to 80 or above.

So we are not eating lunch out or having our hair cut and know that people will do what they want.

I am telling you right now, if I know you and care about you and you go out and catch this damn bug, and you die...………………..I am not wearing my BEST dress to your memorial service next year.

After staying home this long, it probably wont fit anyway. I know my suit will be a little tight! :shocked:

[wamley]

Walked by City Fire in Sumter yesterday around 3pm and people generally were 6ft apart and moved seatc close to outside railing along the sidewalks. Some people were closer sitting table, but appeared to be husband & wives. When two couples the couple were seperated by 6ft away from the other couple. Looked pretty good to me, same at Red Sauce. It was good to see people enjoying the day with friends relatives over something to eat and a couple drinks.

[GoodLife]

Right now the one thing that all experts, all people who read the statistics can agree upon is this; The highest percentage of people who die from Covid-19, most say right around 80% of the people who die of Covid-19 are over 65. And the danger goes up of their dying as they get to 80 or above.

So we are not eating lunch out or having our hair cut and know that people will do what they want.

I am telling you right now, if I know you and care about you and you go out and catch this damn bug, and you die...………………..I am not wearing my BEST dress to your memorial service next year.

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)

Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by sex and age group. United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020 Updated May 8

55 to 64 Covid 19 4.688 deaths Pneumonia 7.820 deaths
75 to 84 Covid 19 10,196 deaths Pneumonia 17,804 deaths
85 & up Covid 19 11,458 deaths Pneumonia 20,904 deaths

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19): (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm)

Will you wear your best dress if he catches pneumonia?

[Altavia]

Walked by City Fire in Sumter yesterday around 3pm and people generally were 6ft apart and moved seatc close to outside railing along the sidewalks. Some people were closer sitting table, but appeared to be husband & wives. When two couples the couple were seperated by 6ft away from the other couple. Looked pretty good to me, same at Red Sauce. It was good to see people enjoying the day with friends relatives over something to eat and a couple drinks.

Observed the same later in the evening, had a wonderful dinner al fresco at Chophouse. Took a walk after and people were respectful to keep their distance. A small group was dancing in unison individually and properly separated at the square.

Overall a reasonable compromise for the paradoxes around this virus from hell.

[Michael22]

Your flu stats are for one year, your covid 19 stats are for how many weeks, not one year?

[GoodLife]

Your flu stats are for one year, your covid 19 stats are for how many weeks, not one year?

Not my stats, they are from NCHS and CDC

Title of Table 1:

Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by sex and age group. United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020 Updated May 8

These are provisional stats, numbers for each will go up as death certificates are turned in.

[Indydealmaker]

At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette
If we don't open, we will be a third world country and those deaths will be just the beginning.

[Michael Charles]

[B]

How does one get their sustenance if they cannot go out? Even the people who need to stay at home need food, money from the bank, religious services, etc. My husband and I have stayed home for almost 4 weeks but we see other people gathering in large groups without masks. WE WENT TO A REC CENTER AND SAT IN THE PAVILLION, NO ONE BUT US WERE WEARING MASKS. THE OTHER GROUP WAS A GROUP OF 25 PEOPLE AND ONLY ONE WORE A MASK. THEY WERE NOT SIX FEET APART.SINCE I AM IMMUNOLOGICALLY SUPPRESSED DUE TO CHEMO, I AM AT AN EVEN HIGHER RISK THAN OTHERS. tHE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES THAT CDC PUTS OUT ARE POSSIBLY KILLING US. :sing::sing::sing:

First of all I'm sorry that you are going through chemotherapy, my wife is also and we are scared to go anywhere because of her very weakened immune system. That said, why the heck would you go into a recreation center and sit in the pavilion if you are "IMMUNOLOGICALLY SUPPRESSED DUE TO CHEMO"? Really? So, you needed your sustenance and you thought going into a recreation center and sitting there would give you that sustenance? I hope you recover without any complications from your chemotherapy.

[GoodLife]

At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette

More than 50% of all deaths are from 4 states. More than 50% of US counties have zero deaths from Covid 19.

• U.S. COVID-19 deaths by state | Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1103688/coronavirus-covid19-deaths-us-by-state/)

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1761038]

I wholeheartily agree with this statement. But it comes with stipulations.

Maintain social distancing strictly, even for sporting events and concerts.

Wear masks when social distancing is not a viable option.

Absolutely agree you.

[ffresh]

At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette

you don't have to play - STAY INDOORS and leave others to their own devices

In addition, seems like you're taking life too serious … it isn't permanent :icon_wink:


Fred

[ficoguy]

Do what you got to do

[ficoguy]

in NY 66% of people contracted CV while at home. Shocking.....

[Don Ferguson]

fake news

Better tell Cuomo. He spent 15 minutes about it and the study involved 1000 recent hospital admissions in NY. Not only were 66% "sheltering in place", but 90% of that group had not even used public transportation or shopped for their own food!

[ffresh]

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1761030]

Because we have had no deaths in half the counties does not mean they aren't still vulnerable. I hear and agree that our economy will suffer terribly. Sometimes there are NO solutions to problems. THAT is what is scary.

Sorry, but there are solutions to ALL problems, albeit some are far from perfect; some are very close to that measure.

Fred

[MandoMan]

I am surprised that pools and restaurants are reopening. Keep hearing that City Fire has tons of people milling around all on top of each other.

https://erinbromage.wixsite.com/covid19/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them

[Don Ferguson]

The point of closing down and having all these restrictions isn't to stop the virus. It's to slow it down, and give science and the medical community time to create a vaccine and discover safe treatments for people who come down with it.

That way even if it does return next season, we will have the tools to manage it. Not necessarily cure it, and not prevent it 100% but MINIMIZE the risk, MINIMIZE the suffering, MINIMIZE the deaths that result from it.

We have no way of doing that currently except to shut things down and keep everyone away from each other. That obviously isn't something we can do long-term. It is a temporary pause so they can come up with something better, for the next time it happens.

Why our cure is worse than the disease! We have inflicted permanent damage to the very fabric of this country, under the guise of fixing it! Even in the very best of scenarios it will take MORE THAN a generation to recover, as a country, just to the point we were when the shut down occurred. (1) At the national level, the first relief package to repay for shutdown was $2.4 TRILLION, and there's talk of up to 3 more similar packages. Don't even try to get your head around what this will do to future capabilities of our federal government! They (we) are crippled for the next generation. (2) The effect at state level is easier to understand since city, county, and state governments are required by law to actually have money before they spend it. They can not live in the fiscal fantasy world our congress has created. The first moment of the shut down we created 30 Million newly unemployed, with many more following. Unemployment payments are a state responsibility. With the shut down we actually, and literally, bankrupted every state. So to compensate, the feds authorized loaning every state the needed money from the Federal Reserve. Eleven states have so far applied. (California, NY. NJ. Connecticut, Illinois, Texas, Mass. Ohio, West VA, Washington.) Pardon, but can't resist laughing about California. Upon shut down they authorized $150 million in payments to illegal "sanctuary" immigrants since the Feds did not include them in their corona virus program. Then the next day they applied for a $10.1 billion federal loan to pay their unemployed, because California is broke.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Fat dumb and run by China Oh!!! Wow sounds like the options of ANGER man the guys you see pushing the carts fast down the wrong way in aisles at Publix with no masks 😊😊😊

[dplars]

Where is the comparison of the normal number of deaths from all other causes compared to COVID19? I believe the media/goverment is instill fear as a method of thought control. Things are never as bad as portrayed nor as good as pictured. Get with living...your life

[ffresh]

Tonight in Brownwood, bluefin, city fire, all had tables space out 6 ft. There were chairs at the bar chairs spaced out can’t be moved. This is the 5 day I have eaten out, and watched the social distance restaurants are following. Actually watched a person taking pictures, walked around both restaurants multiple times before taking a picture, from the outside.

If you looked at the angle the picture was taken, it looked like everybody was sitting on top of each other. Not the 6 feet each table was really spaced at. Took a lot of patience to finally get the picture that will make those restaurants look bad. Such a shame

Why are we opening, think of those who have no income, no food for their children, and no way to pay rent. The system failed those who apply for unemployment

This is the way the MSM pulls their chicanery to further their agenda all the time. Unfortunately, we, the Great Unwashed, are too naïve to see through their deceit … or, at least many of us :icon_wink:

Fred

[GoodLife]

where is the comparison of the normal number of deaths from all other causes compared to covid19? I believe the media/goverment is instill fear as a method of thought control. Things are never as bad as portrayed nor as good as pictured. Get with living...your life

84036

CDC says 80,000 died from the Flu in 2017/2018 season, varies per year depending on strain

Flu season deaths top 80,000 last year, CDC says - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/flu-deaths-2017--2018-cdc-bn/index.html)

[billethkid]

Where is the comparison of the normal number of deaths from all other causes compared to COVID19? I believe the media/goverment is instill fear as a method of thought control. Things are never as bad as portrayed nor as good as pictured. Get with living...your life

Yes. What is/has been the daily/weekly death rate before the virus compared to the current exploited virus numbers?

Then compare to the infection and death rate for the annual flu.

There seems to be a need by the media and those in authority to retain a fear factor.

And let us not forget that certain number attainments equate to monetary benefits from the state or federal coffers.

[OhioBuckeye]

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1761030]

Because we have had no deaths in half the counties does not mean they aren't still vulnerable. I hear and agree that our economy will suffer terribly. Sometimes there are NO solutions to problems. THAT is what is scary.

Also the stats didn’t say anything about how many millions of people that don’t have jobs to go back to. This is a terrible pressure for a president to have to think about. Personally I think both political parties should get together & figure this epidemic out first instead of thinking about how to get their party elected! You said it exactly right, graciegirl.

[Edcarney]

You ought to know these numbers are highly inflated. Way too much false news about this virus. All of which is to keep many living in fear. As long as they effectively do so it will continue to help promote the hidden agenda of this shutdown.

[Lindsyburnsy]

The curve has flattened? Maybe the lack of testing and reporting is flattening. We can be gaslit into believing all is well, but don't be fooled. DeSantis doesn't want to count those that don't live full time in Florida, to the overall count. So if someone lives in Kentucky, but dies or tests positive for Covid 19, in Ohio, they don't count as deaths or confirmed cases in Ohio? Say what?

[Lindamct]

Please don't just repeat. Look at numbers of other viruses and death rate. What we should be worried about is not Covid 19, but a real medical emergency while our doctors and nurses are furloughed(yes, the ones we praise as heros...) and our hospitals are losing so much money. This is media and politics over the top and we all all being good little manageable citizens. We should be sticking together and asking good questions. Just keep praying and wash your hands because that is really all we can do🇺🇲🇺🇲

[ffresh]

[QUOTE=coffeebean;1761217]

How does one get their sustenance if they cannot go out? Even the people who need to stay at home need food, money from the bank, religious services, etc. My husband and I have stayed home for almost 4 weeks but we see other people gathering in large groups without masks. WE WENT TO A REC CENTER AND SAT IN THE PAVILLION, NO ONE BUT US WERE WEARING MASKS. THE OTHER GROUP WAS A GROUP OF 25 PEOPLE AND ONLY ONE WORE A MASK. THEY WERE NOT SIX FEET APART.SINCE I AM IMMUNOLOGICALLY SUPPRESSED DUE TO CHEMO, I AM AT AN EVEN HIGHER RISK THAN OTHERS. tHE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES THAT CDC PUTS OUT ARE POSSIBLY KILLING US. :sing::sing::sing:

First, PLEASE STOP SHOUTING, then, if you are immunologically suppressed, as you say, it begs the question, why on earth go to a rec center. And, to top it off, complain of others' behavior :ohdear: You can breathe the same air in your lanai or patio :icon_wink:

Fred

[coffeebean]

[QUOTE=sallybowron;1761513]

First of all, you messed up the quote function. I didn't say what you quote, coffeebean did.

Second, you can easily get groceries safely using curbside pickup or delivery. I haven't used paper money for six weeks, just credit cards. Religious services are all over the internet and TV. Nobody is going to kill you, just stay away from people.

I don't know how the quote function is getting messed up but I did NOT say the following:
How does one get their sustenance if they cannot go out? Even the people who need to stay at home need food, money from the bank, religious services, etc. My husband and I have stayed home for almost 4 weeks but we see other people gathering in large groups without masks. WE WENT TO A REC CENTER AND SAT IN THE PAVILLION, NO ONE BUT US WERE WEARING MASKS. THE OTHER GROUP WAS A GROUP OF 25 PEOPLE AND ONLY ONE WORE A MASK. THEY WERE NOT SIX FEET APART.SINCE I AM IMMUNOLOGICALLY SUPPRESSED DUE TO CHEMO, I AM AT AN EVEN HIGHER RISK THAN OTHERS. tHE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES THAT CDC PUTS OUT ARE POSSIBLY KILLING US.

[coffeebean]

How does one get their sustenance if they cannot go out? Even the people who need to stay at home need food, money from the bank, religious services, etc. My husband and I have stayed home for almost 4 weeks but we see other people gathering in large groups without masks. WE WENT TO A REC CENTER AND SAT IN THE PAVILLION, NO ONE BUT US WERE WEARING MASKS. THE OTHER GROUP WAS A GROUP OF 25 PEOPLE AND ONLY ONE WORE A MASK. THEY WERE NOT SIX FEET APART.SINCE I AM IMMUNOLOGICALLY SUPPRESSED DUE TO CHEMO, I AM AT AN EVEN HIGHER RISK THAN OTHERS. tHE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES THAT CDC PUTS OUT ARE POSSIBLY KILLING US. :sing::sing::sing:

Hello everyone.....
Sallyboron is the poster who made this quote. It was NOT me (coffeebean). I had to go back several pages to find this original post. I've noticed there are other posters who are not being quoted properly. I don't know why the quote function is not working properly. Could it be operator error from the posters? I just don't know.

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=coffeebean;1761217]

How does one get their sustenance if they cannot go out? Even the people who need to stay at home need food, money from the bank, religious services, etc. My husband and I have stayed home for almost 4 weeks but we see other people gathering in large groups without masks. WE WENT TO A REC CENTER AND SAT IN THE PAVILLION, NO ONE BUT US WERE WEARING MASKS. THE OTHER GROUP WAS A GROUP OF 25 PEOPLE AND ONLY ONE WORE A MASK. THEY WERE NOT SIX FEET APART.SINCE I AM IMMUNOLOGICALLY SUPPRESSED DUE TO CHEMO, I AM AT AN EVEN HIGHER RISK THAN OTHERS. tHE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES THAT CDC PUTS OUT ARE POSSIBLY KILLING US. :sing::sing::sing:

No, if you are immunosuppressed and out at a pavilion, you may be killing YOURSELF

[coffeebean]

No, if you are immunosuppressed and out at a pavilion, you may be killing YOURSELF

Hello golfing eagles.....
This is coffeebean. You posted a quote that said the quote was "Originally posted by coffeebean", but it is NOT my quote. I don't understand how the quote function has gotten so wonky. Just to let you know....I am not immunosupressed. Sallybowron made that statement that you quoted. I wish this quote would get straightened out.

[ffresh]

If we don't open, we will be a third world country and those deaths will be just the beginning.

Don't be injecting common sense into this thread, Steven … shame :icon_wink:

Fred

[coffeebean]

[QUOTE=sallybowron;1761513]

First of all, you messed up the quote function. I didn't say what you quote, coffeebean did.

Second, you can easily get groceries safely using curbside pickup or delivery. I haven't used paper money for six weeks, just credit cards. Religious services are all over the internet and TV. Nobody is going to kill you, just stay away from people.

Hello GoodLife.......
I've been trying to figure out where this quote thing got messed up. It was Sallybowron who first some how some way got my username attatched to a post she made. Then my username was not used in a quote supposedly by you when it actually WAS my comments.

I'm sure this is as clear as mud. I'm going to forget this ever happened. I just wish folks would use the "Reply With Quote" button properly. Just thought.....is it possible folks are clicking on the "Multi Quote" button by mistake? Hmmmm.

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;1761840]

Hello golfing eagles.....
This is coffeebean. You posted a quote that said the quote was "Originally posted by coffeebean", but it is NOT my quote. I don't understand how the quote function has gotten so wonky. Just to let you know....I am not immunosupressed. Sallybowron made that statement that you quoted. I wish this quote would get straightened out.

There must be a glitch in the system. Your post just gave my quote as to belonging to Sallybowron.

PS: After 6,000+ posts, I'm pretty sure I know how to use the quote button correctly:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[coffeebean]

[QUOTE=coffeebean;1761862]

There must be a glitch in the system. Your post just gave my quote as to belonging to Sallybowron.

PS: After 6,000+ posts, I'm pretty sure I know how to use the quote button correctly:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I KNOW that you know how to quote. You've been around a long time. That is why I figured something must be wonky.

Thanks for letting me know.

[Moderator]

[QUOTE=GoodLife;1761519]

Hello GoodLife.......
I've been trying to figure out where this quote thing got messed up. It was Sallybowron who first some how some way got my username attatched to a post she made. Then my username was not used in a quote supposedly by you when it actually WAS my comments.

I'm sure this is as clear as mud. I'm going to forget this ever happened. I just wish folkks would use the quote button properly.
The quote function is working properly. Unfortunately, Sallybowron quoted a post from coffeebean that contained the quote she responded to, not coffeebean’s post. Thus anyone quoting Sallybowron’s post results in the appearance coffeebean made the post. It is important to quote the actual post you are responding to.

Moderator

[coffeebean]

Hello golfing eagles....

My username (coffeebean) was just attached to your comment. I think I'm going to report this problem to the TOTV Team.

EDIT: I didn't report this because it has been explained by the moderator that the quote problem was made in error by one of the posters. So.......problem solved.

[coffeebean]

Thanks to the moderator for clearing up this confusion. Sorry to all the posters who did not want to be bothered by reading about this problem.

[Shawn70]

If you don't want to go out, you don't have to. Just stay home.

[ffresh]

Hello golfing eagles....

My username (coffeebean) was just attached to your comment. I think I'm going to report this problem to the TOTV Team.

Is there a good method to do this?

Fred

[coffeebean]

Is there a good method to do this?

Fred

There is a TOTV forum just for problems or concerns about the forum. Here is a link to it.....

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/totv-website-mobile-suggestion-box-425/

[Michael Charles]

Thanks to the moderator for clearing up this confusion. Sorry to all the posters who did not want to be bothered by reading about this problem.

Who's on first?!

[ffresh]

Thank you

Fred

[jimjamuser]

Many factor$ influence the$e deci$ion$.
Yes, the root of all evil. Then more money yields power. Then absolute power which corrupts absolutely.

[jimjamuser]

Have lost interest in the subject of Virus controls ! If you drive your golf cart in Sumter Landing it is astonishing how many groups are close to each other, (e.g.at Gators they are jammed in as is Red Sauce.) Then you have the Director of all Recreation Centers ignoring
the "Mask Rule"! He is the Poster Boy for those at the Squares ignoring the Doctors advise to wear a mask and "protect others". The best advise is to take care of yourself and don't preach as it is over ridden by lack of respect of your neighbor and Village Management. :ohdear:
An emergency has a way of revealing character and leadership.

[jimjamuser]

We are reopening because the curve has been flattened, and we can be reasonably sure that new cases won't strain our capacity to care for them. Tens of millions of people have lost their livelihoods, and thousands of small business owners have lost everything, or are on the brink of losing everything. We are moving to the model we probably should have adopted in the first place: isolate the most vulnerable and everyone else practice good hygiene. If you don't feel safe going to a store or restaurant, don't go. But don't demand that millions of people sacrifice all they have to make you feel safe. There's no such thing as safety anyway. You can choose less risk, but guaranteed safety doesn't exist.
The quote and the post are not sympatico.

[jimjamuser]

The true reality is that at some point life must resume living for the MAJORITY to continue to survive. At some point there will be a level of new cases and deaths that will be viewed as, it is what it is, and life will go on.

Just like the millions that get the flu and many thousands of them die......EVERY YEAR.....while life goes on.
The 1918 flu originated in Kansas at some Army base. It was called incorrectly the Spanish Flu to keep from scaring troops going to WW1. H. Hoover kept it a secret. In the close quarters of ships crossing the Atlantic, it spread. 62% of battlefield deaths were from the flu, not the battlefield.

[jimjamuser]

Average influenza season 44,000 Americans die in a population of about 330 million, or 1 in every 7500

Florida population 21,500,000 divided by 7500 = 2867 expected deaths from flu. Covid 19 deaths = 1600

That's why we are "opening up" Anyone who wants to stay home may feel free to do so.
Next fall and winter we have both CV and flu looming.

[jimjamuser]

Why R we opening??..................nothing worse than grandparents getting a divorce.
That was seriously humorous. Good job.

[jimjamuser]

Every year tens of thousands of people die of the flu. Are you willing to shut down the world so people don’t get the flu?? If not, then your same answer should apply in this instance .

This has always been about protecting hospitals from being overwhelmed with everyone getting it at the same time because it is so contagious and worse than the flu. It is NOT about keeping everyone from getting it. Is your hospital close to being overwhelmed? Well there is your answer to why we are opening up

Here is another way to look at it. Tens of thousands of people die in car accidents every year. Many times because people are selfish and reckless when they drive. Are you willing to change the speed limit to 10 mph so that people don’t die from the actions of selfish people?

You can’t live in a perfectly safe world. You can make your own self as safe as you can.
I hear that there is a vaccine for the flu?

[billethkid]

I hear that there is a vaccine for the flu?

Not enough hear though since only half the population bother to get it....even with numbers like this:

2019-2020 U.S. Flu Season: Preliminary Burden Estimates | CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm)

Annually!!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Where is the comparison of the normal number of deaths from all other causes compared to COVID19? I believe the media/goverment is instill fear as a method of thought control. Things are never as bad as portrayed nor as good as pictured. Get with living...your life
Thought control-----I need to think about that.

[biker1]

Probably not true. There are several theories, theories not facts, as to where the Spanish Flu originated, including China. Nobody knows.

The 1918 flu originated in Kansas at some Army base. It was called incorrectly the Spanish Flu to keep from scaring troops going to WW1. H. Hoover kept it a secret. In the close quarters of ships crossing the Atlantic, it spread. 62% of battlefield deaths were from the flu, not the battlefield.

[Jazzman]

At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette
Maybe you should pose your question to a few of the 30 million now unemployed. The social and medical consequences that will result will last for years.

[cathiehines]

Well said.

[rstebbins]

agree 100% Have to get economy open. Government can't continue to print money

[Yung Dum]

At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette
I think we are opening because many people have to work to survive. Everybody is not retired. We can stay home, but others need to work. Just be smart about what you do and where you go. We have to open some time.

[newchapter]

Well said.

[Bay Kid]

You want everything closed move to Virginia, except Lowe's, Walmart, Home Depot, etc. Small businesses are losing everything.

[yankygrl]

At 8:36 AM This mornings report

United States cases
Updated May 8 at 8:36 AM local
Confirmed
1,289,235
+29,527
Deaths
76,537
+1,956
Recovered
174,697
+3,838

Were Playing Russian Roulette
It's called opening the economy so we don't fall into a depression like the 1930's. Don't feel safe going out? DON'T no one is forcing you to leave your home.

[Astron]

It's hard to believe the statistics related to this virus. It's the medias way of scaring the people and a way of control and manipulation. Don't believe everything you read
Including this post, I assume? 😉

[Rapscallion St Croix]

The 1918 flu originated in Kansas at some Army base. It was called incorrectly the Spanish Flu to keep from scaring troops going to WW1. H. Hoover kept it a secret. In the close quarters of ships crossing the Atlantic, it spread. 62% of battlefield deaths were from the flu, not the battlefield.

Hoover did not become president until 1929. In what capacity did he keep this secret?

[jef5836]

Agree

[GoodLife]

Hoover did not become president until 1929. In what capacity did he keep this secret?

This was explained in Back to the Future :MOJE_whot:

[jimjamuser]

Hoover did not become president until 1929. In what capacity did he keep this secret?
My bad, Woodrow Wilson.

[Swoop]

I hear that there is a vaccine for the flu?
The vaccine does not prevent you from getting the flu, it improves your odds of acquiring it by about 50%. That’s if they correctly guess the strains that will be prevalent that season.

[72lions]

Average influenza season 44,000 Americans die in a population of about 330 million, or 1 in every 7500

Florida population 21,500,000 divided by 7500 = 2867 expected deaths from flu. Covid 19 deaths = 1600

That's why we are "opening up" Anyone who wants to stay home may feel free to do so.

Your flu numbers are not just for 8-10 weeks. Plus, FL has a disproportionately lower number of flu deaths. Finally, flu is mitigated by climate, vaccine, etc. COVID-19 is not. I’m not saying a cautionary approach to resuming some activity isn’t warranted, but comparing this to the flu is misleading.

[golfing eagles]

Your flu numbers are not just for 8-10 weeks. Plus, FL has a disproportionately lower number of flu deaths. Finally, flu is mitigated by climate, vaccine, etc. COVID-19 is not. I’m not saying a cautionary approach to resuming some activity isn’t warranted, but comparing this to the flu is misleading.

It's only a comparison of an average flu season (approx. 6 mo) to COVID 19 so far (about 2 1/2-3 mo)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The vaccine does not prevent you from getting the flu, it improves your odds of acquiring it by about 50%. That’s if they correctly guess the strains that will be prevalent that season.

"improves odds of acquiring it" = improves chance to prevent it.

It also reduces symptoms among those who DO end up getting sick anyway. While some might otherwise die, those with the vaccine are much more likely to experience more cold-like symptoms and recover much more quickly.