Please just stay home a little while longer if you are...

[StephenG]

In a group who is susceptible or vulnerable to this situation. No one wants anyone else to die but some people would like to get on with our lives and we accept personal responsibility for our choice.

Please allow us to rejoin society and bring about a calm stability where there is no concern for health in this regard.

Please only rejoin when you feel comfortable.

God Bless You All,
Steve

[JoMar]

My question, if all those that want to get on with their lives are willing to infect the others or get infected by the others that want to get on with their lives, is it because they believe they can easily survive, don't believe any of the stats or believe it only happens to those with underlying conditions or are vulnerable? Just curious?

[ficoguy]

I think we should wait for he government to tell us its ok to go back in the water....but I see members of congress flying here there and everywhere...

[billethkid]

One can make their own decision just like deciding to daily risk getting in the car or not get your flu shot.

Both have very major death rates society has decided it can "live" with.

For a moment, exclude the hot spots in the USA as they have a some explanation for reasons why they are hot spots.
The rest of the USA would then display a very different virus profile. Which I believe will play a major role in any future flare ups.

Because of the intense 24/7 reporting by the government and the media in this very instant communicating capable world, our awareness is more heightened and very different than at any other time in history.

In my opinion the fear factor seems more ever present in the virus communications.

Our household (the two of us) will remain cautious until such time there is an all clear or a vaccine. Then, as we do our flu/pneumonia/shingles shots we will be among those that opt for the vaccine. Then hopefully be able to go about our lives with no more concern than we did/do for driving a car or getting or not the flu.

[Wallyworld]

Seriously, you believe everything you hear from Fauchi and Birks.

[Velvet]

I think we should wait for he government to tell us its ok to go back in the water....but I see members of congress flying here there and everywhere...

Yeah, that really worked out well for Japan. Me, I think I’ll take what the government says... under advisement.

[graciegirl]

Seriously, you believe everything you hear from Fauchi and Birks.

Yes. As a matter of fact I trust Fauci and Birx completely and I do NOT believe the conspiracy theories about them. Fauci has served under six presidents and Birx also has a VERY impressive curriculum vitae. They both live comfortably, make a lot of money and enjoy the prestige that they deserve after a long stent of exemplary service in the medical field. There is nothing to warrant the foolishness being passed around on social media.

I trust their judgement far more than I do any politician in regard to my health.

[queasy27]

... some people would like to get on with our lives and we accept personal responsibility for our choice. Please allow us to rejoin society ...

Are your remarks directed at the government? Because neither I nor any other private citizen can prevent you from doing whatever is legal.

If you're saying you don't want to be scolded for what some see as a reckless choice that may also endanger them, then best stay offline.

TOTV members -- and I dare say, seniors in general -- are (1) very set in our ways and (2) not hesitant about dispensing opinions.

[tvbound]

If this were a situation where someone was only putting themselves at risk by going out without a mask or doing other risky behaviors, that would be one thing.

But the fact that they can infect others, particularly since it sounds like they are very contagious before they show any symptoms-that's an entirely different situation.

Bottom line the way I see it is, go do what you want if it's solely just putting yourself at risk, but you don't have the right to intentionally put me at risk with your irresponsible behavior.

[smacquart]

The government is the last to listen to!

[Leadbone1]

In a group who is susceptible or vulnerable to this situation. No one wants anyone else to die but some people would like to get on with our lives and we accept personal responsibility for our choice.

Please allow us to rejoin society and bring about a calm stability where there is no concern for health in this regard.

Please only rejoin when you feel comfortable.

God Bless You All,
Steve

Thank you for a realistic post. It is that 5% that have underlying conditions that need to be careful. The more they test we’re finding that many more people had this than thought had covid, which is a good thing. Mortality rate keeps going down. Like you said those people at risk just need to be careful. The rest of us want to get back to our normal lives.

[shelley77]

My question, if all those that want to get on with their lives are willing to infect the others or get infected by the others that want to get on with their lives, is it because they believe they can easily survive, don't believe any of the stats or believe it only happens to those with underlying conditions or are vulnerable? Just curious?

My question is, if all those that are so worried about being infected are willing to cause 30 million people to be thrown out of work and destroy the economy, when does it end? Do people really think that after a business is closed for 2 months it can just re-open? After people have been propagandized for months about gloves and masks and "distancing", they're going to go right back to concerts, airplanes and restaurants? We are now in for years of depression level unemployment because Fauci et al wanted to run a giant experiment. Have you given a thought to the physical and emotional damage unemployment does to families? Please multiply by 30 million. Add a bankrupt country with $25 trillion in debt. Now call the person who wants to open the economy selfish. You do realize that there is no evidence (No studies, none) to support the theory that distancing and masks and gloves even work to reduce the level of deaths? This concept of quarantining healthy people has never been done, anywhere, ever. 8,000 people die every day in the U.S. from all causes. We can have lockdowns forever to prevent this or that illness. Have fun with the new normal.

[rlcooper70]

Stephen - you are referencing a decision made by our leaders that will be immoral regardless of the direction. If opening the county results in more deaths (as you reference) then it is immoral. If closing the economy results in the degradation of the financial well being of 90% of society then that is an immoral decision. We need to have compassion for those leaders making such decisions because there is no "right" decision. Your certainty in the face of this has to be questioned.

[junction29]

If this were a situation where someone was only putting themselves at risk by going out without a mask or doing other risky behaviors, that would be one thing.

But the fact that they can infect others, particularly since it sounds like they are very contagious before they show any symptoms-that's an entirely different situation.

Bottom line the way I see it is, go do what you want if it's solely just putting yourself at risk, but you don't have the right to intentionally put me at risk with your irresponsible behavior.

You are completely right!

Everyone has the right to risk their own lives, but no one has the right to risk the lives of others 👿

[toeser]

I think we should wait for he government to tell us its ok to go back in the water....but I see members of congress flying here there and everywhere...

I will never understand people who think the "government" knows more about anything than just citizens with common sense. Government bureaucrats are the last people I listen to.

[Marathon Man]

In a group who is susceptible or vulnerable to this situation. No one wants anyone else to die but some people would like to get on with our lives and we accept personal responsibility for our choice.

Please allow us to rejoin society and bring about a calm stability where there is no concern for health in this regard.

Please only rejoin when you feel comfortable.

God Bless You All,
Steve

Accepting personal responsibilty will not fly if you continue to spread the virus through the community.

[LKFraserFL]

It seems to me that we put others at risk every time we go out in our cars or golf cars and when we do not get a flu shot.

[Bay Kid]

There are many other things that will kill you. You can't hide from all of them.

[ficoguy]

I think I have earned the right to call my own shots after 68 years. I want to enjoy life in the tome I have left, not huddle in a bunker-like state of fear.

[Skunky1]

Open everything and let the natural selection begin

[jmpalladino]

Yes. As a matter of fact I trust Fauci and Birx completely and I do NOT believe the conspiracy theories about them. Fauci has served under six presidents and Birx also has a VERY impressive curriculum vitae. They both live comfortably, make a lot of money and enjoy the prestige that they deserve after a long stent of exemplary service in the medical field. There is nothing to warrant the foolishness being passed around on social media.

I trust their judgement far more than I do any politician in regard to my health.

What does "They both live comfortably, make a lot of money ...." have to do with anything?? I know many people who "both live comfortably, make a lot of money" and have done so by deceiving everyone they have come into contact with, take for example many of your Wall Street Bankers..... Don't judge people if they live comfortably, make a lot of money. By the way, I do not know anyone who works for the government who "makes a lot of money"

[rlcooper70]

Are the epidemiologists advising the president members of the bureaucracy you refer to ?

[Jacob85]

Sometimes there is no one else to do your shopping or go to the store so please people at least wear a mask. It’s the least you can do

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Seriously, you believe everything you hear from Fauchi and Birks.

I believe that they are giving us the best information that they have at the time. This is new territory for everyone and they, along with all the experts are learning new things about this virus.

Sometimes they have evidence that says one thing and weeks later that is proven to be incorrect or inaccurate.

I'm just not so cynical to believe that everyone in government is trying to make us all sick or trying to take all of our freedom away.

[Kwenner]

Yes. As a matter of fact I trust Fauci and Birx completely and I do NOT believe the conspiracy theories about them. Fauci has served under six presidents and Birx also has a VERY impressive curriculum vitae. They both live comfortably, make a lot of money and enjoy the prestige that they deserve after a long stent of exemplary service in the medical field. There is nothing to warrant the foolishness being passed around on social media.

I trust their judgement far more than I do any politician in regard to my health.
Graciegirl you need to take of the blinders. Fauci is not innocent in this, do your due diligence. Wonder why he keeps dissing hydroxy when it is cheap, effective and readily available and he touts Remdisivere? He is in charge of NIH, major donor to NIH is the manufacturer of Remdisivere, follow the $$$$.

[JoelJohnson]

When the White House and the State House are open to visitors, then I'll think about getting out to public events.

[Bill1701]

Sometimes there is no one else to do your shopping or go to the store so please people at least wear a mask. It’s the least you can do

You can have your groceries delivered and use a drive thru for other stuff. Stop trying to guilt people into doing what you want.

[rrlavigne]

The president and VP are now being tested daily. All those around them are also tested and are wearing masks. There's new strict virus protocol in the WH. This is the guy who put in place government guidelines then immediately posted praise for people protesting those same guidelines. Fact, not fake news. We debate sheltering vs the economy. (Sometimes in a very nasty way) We debate who to trust with the information we're getting. Well actions speak louder than words. Look what's going on in the WH.

[golfing eagles]

It seems to me that we put others at risk every time we go out in our cars or golf cars and when we do not get a flu shot.

It seems that way to YOU???

Ok, whatever. :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[Stnkydogs]

There are multiple studies that support the effectiveness of social distancing. Logically if it prevents transmission it also prevents deaths from Covid. Irresponsible behavior will risk the lives of others, including the health care professionals you will no doubt seek out if you get Covid. Regarding the economic impact, it seems many Villages are financially healthy, with no impact on regular pension and SS deposits. Question is, how are you helping to support those less fortunate? Have you donated to the cause recently, have you generously (over) tipped delivery or take out persons, have you supported the local food bank? Everyone has a part to minimize the impact of the pandemic. Stop whining, we're all in this together. If you're bored, find a new activity that won't risk the health/welfare of others.

[ldivens]

CDC Published from 2/1 to 4/11

Week ending date in which the death occurred

COVID-19 Deaths (U07.1)1 = 11,356

Deaths with Pneumonia, Influenza, or COVID (U07.1 or J09-J18.9)2 = 54,217

Deaths from All Causes = 569,403

[golfing eagles]

There are multiple studies that support the effectiveness of social distancing. Logically if it prevents transmission it also prevents deaths from Covid. Irresponsible behavior will risk the lives of others, including the health care professionals you will no doubt seek out if you get Covid. Regarding the economic impact, it seems many Villages are financially healthy, with no impact on regular pension and SS deposits. Question is, how are you helping to support those less fortunate? Have you donated to the cause recently, have you generously (over) tipped delivery or take out persons, have you supported the local food bank? Everyone has a part to minimize the impact of the pandemic. Stop whining, we're all in this together. If you're bored, find a new activity that won't risk the health/welfare of others.

Just what are the activities that you believe risk the health/welfare of others?

[Stnkydogs]

On the upside, opening up may save the social security fund.

[Joe C.]

IMHO...We all have the right to our individual decisions. This is, after all, America....the land of the free. It's our personal responsibility to protect OURSELVES as we go about our daily routines. Life is a risk. Going out in our car is a risk. But we do it so often, it's something we never even think about. Eating at a restaurant, and so many of us do, it's a risk. …..salmonella, E Coli among others..Hepatitis…. nobody worries about these things. I think that it's because most of us take reasonable precautions.
As for this pandemic, I don't go looking for it, but I know that I HAVE TO BE EXPOSED TO IT SOMETIME in order to develop an immunity. Do I think it will kill me?? I doubt it, but also know that it is a risk that needs to be taken. Just like getting out on the highway in the car.

[Boomer]

Yep. You can't fight mother nature - famine, floods, disease are part of the natural pattern on the planet.
Some day the sun will go supernova, after it turns into a red giant and cooks the earth.
Nancy Pelosi would say Trump ignored the science astro physics...

Hello, ficoguy,

You don’t miss a beat, do ya —

Oh well, I hope you will give my post here some thought.

As of yesterday morning, the reported numbers were, as follow:

Global:
Cases: 3,979,442
Deaths: 276,421

United States:
Cases: 1,291,100
Deaths: 77,489

Whether it be contract negotiations or ROI, I have always paid attention to percentages. Feel free to check my math. I did it in my head so it might be a little rough:

33% - United States Percentage of Global Cases
28% - United States Percentage of Global Deaths

I was appalled at what I was seeing in those numbers so I looked up the percentage of the US population relative to the population of the world:

4.5% - Yep. That’s us, our population, in relation to the whole world. I was beyond appalled at that stat.

Even though the virus could not have been stopped, it seems like it could have at least been headed off at the pass by responding to what was known in, ohhhh, let me see — January.

And why are tests being stonewalled? A numbers game?

Sassy Boomer

[golfing eagles]

Hello, ficoguy,



As of yesterday morning, the reported numbers were, as follow:

Global:
Cases: 3,979,442
Deaths: 276,421

United States:
Cases: 1,291,100
Deaths: 77,489


Boomer

Global deaths all other causes: 153,400 PER DAY

[Heyitsrick]

My question is, if all those that are so worried about being infected are willing to cause 30 million people to be thrown out of work and destroy the economy, when does it end? Do people really think that after a business is closed for 2 months it can just re-open? After people have been propagandized for months about gloves and masks and "distancing", they're going to go right back to concerts, airplanes and restaurants? We are now in for years of depression level unemployment because Fauci et al wanted to run a giant experiment. Have you given a thought to the physical and emotional damage unemployment does to families? Please multiply by 30 million. Add a bankrupt country with $25 trillion in debt. Now call the person who wants to open the economy selfish. You do realize that there is no evidence (No studies, none) to support the theory that distancing and masks and gloves even work to reduce the level of deaths? This concept of quarantining healthy people has never been done, anywhere, ever. 8,000 people die every day in the U.S. from all causes. We can have lockdowns forever to prevent this or that illness. Have fun with the new normal.

Thank you. This is what many - here and elsewhere - just won't respond to. It's like "yeah, 'they'll' figure that out when the right time comes". Sorry - it's almost assuredly not going to work that way. "But you just want to put us all at risk with your irresponsible behavior!!!" Right... We know about that irresponsibility. It's the kind of irresponsibility where you work for a living to raise and feed yourself and your family. That's selfish and irresponsible. Gotcha.

So when, then - specifically and explicitly - do you think it's going to be OK to get back to some semblance of living? Six months? A year? Eighteen months? Please...give an actual time vs. some generalized comment. No "whenever the politicos and epidemiologists say it's ok!" response. Where's our answer(s) on how the economy is going to come back? And why don't we - as a whole - care about that? It's astonishing to me. There's no "big picture" here any longer.

The damage done to the economy already is devastating. But hey, it's a good thing every company - particularly small companies and independent contractors and/or gig workers - have saved tons of money to carry them through this minor inconvenience. Oh wait - real life doesn't really work that way. These companies will perish. The employees will have to hope they can find new and commensurate jobs. Tough luck for them, though, right? At least we're retired! And no big deal, the Fed will just print trillions of dollars to prop things up.

What I find selfish is people who think nothing of preaching responsibility about what others do vis-à-vis their activities and the virus, yet seemingly don't think one wit about where we're all going to be at that yet undetermined time when people feel they can relax the hunkering down. You should try to envision that. It's not going to be pretty.

I know, I know...cue the "the economy doesn't matter if you're dead!" remarks. Add to that the "you don't have the right to infect me!" comments. Expected. But there are many daily activities that entail risks of sorts that we think nothing of. We engage in them because they are part of what encompasses living. Now, what we collectively engage in is fear.

Many of us don't do anything to keep our own bodies in shape - thereby increasing the odds that we'll succumb to some medical malady, virus-related or not. But hey, don't risk my life by potentially spreading that virus! If I want to be overweight, drink and smoke, that's my choice! Of course, your family and friends might think differently.

What there should be is a plan to help protect and sequester the elderly and otherwise vulnerable, while allowing younger people to go back to work. Keep this in place until there is that vaccine. It's a sensible - and reasonable - compromise.

Yeah, I'm just someone else worrying about that little thing called the economy. I just don't grasp what's really important. Who needs an economy, anyway? What am I thinking? We'll all be fine.

[EviesGP]

Dr Boogie, IMHO, nailed it! Everyone keeps slamming "the government" and praising "the doctors and science/data"? Well, in case you weren't sure, Dr Birx, and Dr Fauci ARE the government. They are both employed by the government. AND, like some/many politicians, got some predictions WRONG?! Of course, everyone jumps on the politicians early predictions(especially ones they despise), but completely ignore the earlier comments those doctors(i.e. advisors) predicted?! This is all new to us. And it becomes challenging when we're dealing with people dying, and the economy also causing it's severe affliction to this country. And when you have mucho advisors telling you various things, it becomes even more difficult. Of course, there's no shortage of Monday Morning Quarterbacks, who knew it all along. Right! Let's just pray we get thru this whole again. Amen!

[graciegirl]

Thank you for a realistic post. It is that 5% that have underlying conditions that need to be careful. The more they test we’re finding that many more people had this than thought had covid, which is a good thing. Mortality rate keeps going down. Like you said those people at risk just need to be careful. The rest of us want to get back to our normal lives.

NO. It is not the 5% with underlying conditions. NO. NO. NO. It is all people over 65. 80% of people who have died from Covid-19 are the elderly, folks over 65, and the older the higher the risk goes, whether or not they have underlying conditions, which most people do have. High blood pressure? Overweight? Do not exercise enough? I keep hearing people assume they are safe because they have no "underlying conditions" but if you are living here you are old enough to be in the high risk group.

[merrymini]

Looks like the mostly deadly places are jails and nursing homes where people are enclosed. So going out may be the best solution. Like Braveheart, F R E E D O M!

[Jazzman]

My question, if all those that want to get on with their lives are willing to infect the others or get infected by the others that want to get on with their lives, is it because they believe they can easily survive, don't believe any of the stats or believe it only happens to those with underlying conditions or are vulnerable? Just curious?so you will self quarantine until everyone in the US or the world for that matter will A) receive a vaccine and B) be tested for antibodies? You’ll have a long wait. And oh but the way, if you are tested and are asymptomatic and the test reveals you are a carrier, then you’re in it for the long haul.

[DecaturFargo]

It's all selfishness. They should be part of the "me" generation.

[Jazzman]

Hello, ficoguy,

You don’t miss a beat, do ya —

Oh well, I hope you will give my post here some thought.

As of yesterday morning, the reported numbers were, as follow:

Global:
Cases: 3,979,442
Deaths: 276,421

United States:
Cases: 1,291,100
Deaths: 77,489

Whether it be contract negotiations or ROI, I have always paid attention to percentages. Feel free to check my math. I did it in my head so it might be a little rough:

33% - United States Percentage of Global Cases
28% - United States Percentage of Global Deaths

I was appalled at what I was seeing in those numbers so I looked up the percentage of the US population relative to the population of the world:

4.5% - Yep. That’s us, our population, in relation to the whole world. I was beyond appalled at that stat.

Even though the virus could not have been stopped, it seems like it could have at least been headed off at the pass by responding to what was known in, ohhhh, let me see — January.

And why are tests being stonewalled? A numbers game?

Sassy Boomer

As stated by Dr. Birx, they are very liberal with the numbers when it comes to listing Covid as the cause of death. Over the last few weeks there have been a number of physicians who have stated publicly that they were/are directed to list any death any death as Covid caused or related I even though the patient had severe medical complications in addition to being infected. The testing isn’t being stonewalled, you want accurate test results and currently for example there are only five diagnostic companies that have had their antibody tests approved for public use.

[Boomer]

Hello, ficoguy,

You don’t miss a beat, do ya —

Oh well, I hope you will give my post here some thought.

As of yesterday morning, the reported numbers were, as follow:

Global:
Cases: 3,979,442
Deaths: 276,421

United States:
Cases: 1,291,100
Deaths: 77,489

Whether it be contract negotiations or ROI, I have always paid attention to percentages. Feel free to check my math. I did it in my head so it might be a little rough:

33% - United States Percentage of Global Cases
28% - United States Percentage of Global Deaths

I was appalled at what I was seeing in those numbers so I looked up the percentage of the US population relative to the population of the world:

4.5% - Yep. That’s us, our population, in relation to the whole world. I was beyond appalled at that stat.

Even though the virus could not have been stopped, it seems like it could have at least been headed off at the pass by responding to what was known in, ohhhh, let me see — January.

And why are tests being stonewalled? A numbers game?

Sassy Boomer

Global deaths all other causes: 153,400 PER DAY


Aw, c’mon, my entire quote is above. Why did you pick and choose what part to use with your response. (rhetorical question — thus no question mark)

I gotta get outa here. Too many posters tuned in to screens that keep them in a constant state of agitation — and it shows. And — then — this morning — damn contagious to me.

Maybe reading up on the amygdala, and also on the Dunning-Kruger effect, could help to understand what’s going on, causing us to be tribal. Brain science, used to manipulate for the purpose of grabbing power, is wrecking our country.

And, who among us has not had a personal relationship affected as a result. (This tribalism has even affected dating. A woman I know tells me that knowing someone’s politics are opposite is an immediate deal-breaker. Whatever happened to, “Hey, baby, what’s your sign?”) (sigh) Oh well, I digress —

Anyway, I have to stop looking at TOTV because eventually sitting on my typing fingers stops working. Not good for me.

Pogo was right.

Still Sassy, and Nostalgic Boomer

[youngerday]

Fauchi and Birx are credible doctors who need to be trusted. Who else would you trust?

[ficoguy]

Actually you are facing the odds of 8.2 fatalities PER DAY in traffic accidents amongst Lake, Sumter and Marian Counties. By comparison, the deaths from CV19 for those 3 counties TO DATE is 3.9 per 100,000, total (not PER DAY)
Population: 854,944 Deaths to date 33.
The only thing you have to fear is fear itself, someone once said....and he was a famous Democrat. Who had Polio....

[Jimbo120]

Thank you for posting this. No need for everyone to argue over what to do next. Although I am not ready to mix it up with people just yet there are plenty of people who are. We all know what to do to keep from getting infected. Afraid? Stay home. Need to work? Go for it. Time for everyone to quit letting the media and the government pretend they have a zero risk solution. We need to return the power of choice (and risk) to the people.

[huange@verizon.net]

Let’s thank all those who opt to stay at home for a potential lower rate of Covid19 deaths if/when this pandemic is solved or run its course.
Let’s thank all those who opt to support and patronize the reopening of businesses for having some resemblance of an economy in place when this pandemic is over as well as allowing millions of people to get back to continuing their livelihood.

[billethkid]

Why is it offered "... stay home if you are afraid..."?

So does it then follow if one goes out they are brave?
No! It just happens to be one opinion.

Some of us stay home because for us...... it makes sense in the current environment.

Has nothing to do with being afraid!

[StephenG]

Wow! I am very pleased with the level of discourse this has generated. A lot of very good opinions and ideas have been expressed in all aspects of this recovery situation. I respect everyone who took the time to express their thoughts and opinions in this matter. It’s obvious that we have a community of a lot of very good spirited people who just want to do what’s right. I am glad that as a community we are able to come together and have a respectful discourse in this matter. I think the most important thing at this point is that as changes are introduced and freedoms are re-substantiated we continue to have a positive and respectful discourse. Our goal must be to all join together and contribute to the recovery effort by means of communication and discourse and when necessary action. So for now God bless you all, And remember you are divinely protected within the hedge of his love.

[xNYer]

Seriously, you believe everything you hear from Fauchi and Birks.

No, I believe the guys I went to high school with and failed Science. They posted some really interesting theories on Facebook.

[tvbound]

Why is it offered "... stay home if you are afraid..."?

So does it then follow if one goes out they are brave?
No! It just happens to be one opinion.

Some of us stay home because for us...... it makes sense in the current environment.

Has nothing to do with being afraid!

You make an excellent point.

It seems to me, that some people are primarily motivated by a fear of appearing weak.

It's almost like being on the 7th grade school yard, where the bully "dares" someone, so that the bully can try to repress their own personal fears and insecurities.

All too many people however, aren't strong enough internally to stand up to those bullies though and will take on that dare, even if they know it will most likely harm themselves.

That's not being brave, it's actually being just the opposite.

[shelley77]

There are multiple studies that support the effectiveness of social distancing. Logically if it prevents transmission it also prevents deaths from Covid. Irresponsible behavior will risk the lives of others, including the health care professionals you will no doubt seek out if you get Covid. Regarding the economic impact, it seems many Villages are financially healthy, with no impact on regular pension and SS deposits. Question is, how are you helping to support those less fortunate? Have you donated to the cause recently, have you generously (over) tipped delivery or take out persons, have you supported the local food bank? Everyone has a part to minimize the impact of the pandemic. Stop whining, we're all in this together. If you're bored, find a new activity that won't risk the health/welfare of others.
Please show me one study that shows the effectiveness of social distancing. I have not been able to find one.

[tvbound]

Please show me one study that shows the effectiveness of social distancing. I have not been able to find one.

How about history?


Analysis: Spanish Flu Pandemic Proves Social Distancing Works (https://www.contagionlive.com/news/analysis-spanish-flu-pandemic-proves-social-distancing-works)


In a new paper published in the Journal of the American Society of Cytopathology, Stefan E. Pambuccian, MD, MIAC, a professor and vice chair of the department of pathology and laboratory medicine at Loyola University Chicago’s Stritch School of Medicine attempts to answer those questions using the “Spanish Influenza” pandemic of 1918-1919 as a model.
In short, his answer to the question of whether social distancing works is: yes.

"The stricter the isolation policies, the lower the mortality rate,"Pambuccian said, in a press release.

[tvbound]

And on a purely an anecdotal level, a couple of very high profile cases in the last few days, involving an environment that chose not to social distance or even wear masks, should make most people stop and think.

[Rosebud1949]

Someone please explain why.. you can swim in a pool with others ( like bathing with them) .. have your hair cut and nails done ( close contact with stylist) Line up for take out, shoulder to shoulder, sit in and eat. Even the grocery store has rules, and we wear masks and gloves, and feel safe there.

Yet we cannot play pball 6 foot from your partner, and 15-20 feet from your opponents OUTDOORS, with gloves, mask and sterilized balls... yes 6 foot social distance while waiting..... 2 months now...yet I am still expected to pay amenities.. WHAT AMENITIES.. this applies to all other sports Rec have banned indefinitely....... Perhaps we are not shouting loud enough.

MASKS & Gloves, everyone, and lets play.... we will have NO IMMUNITY to anything if we dont try to get out soon... Marion, Lake and Sumter Counties figures have hardly moved for a week.... if they rise, when we play, then we re-think the rules.....

[Slapnut]

You have bought into this media frenzy. Get over it. If it was or is as bad as the media wants you to think it is then all of the people who went and still go to Walmart home depot and Lowe's would all be sick or dead. I rest my case.

[golfing eagles]

Why is it offered "... stay home if you are afraid..."?

So does it then follow if one goes out they are brave?
No! It just happens to be one opinion.

Some of us stay home because for us...... it makes sense in the current environment.

Has nothing to do with being afraid!

I don't understand your post at all.

If someone goes out, all it proves is that they are NOT afraid, but not necessarily BRAVE

If staying home makes "sense". it must be because those people are afraid of something, unless they are agoraphobic, in which case they were afraid of going out in the first place.

So, you can call it sensible, responsible, protective others and so forth, but in reality it has EVERYTHING to do with being afraid

[Slapnut]

Fauchi has been so wishy-washy and keeps changing his mind about what should be done to minimize this so called virus. I wouldn't let him pull a tooth. Be careful when it comes to putting your faith in some idiots hands

[coffeebean]

Sometimes there is no one else to do your shopping or go to the store so please people at least wear a mask. It’s the least you can do
Grocery stores have delivery services and I've heard they work out great.

[Velvet]

I think of government, in general, as the lowest common denominator for the benefit of society. Individuals can do better. But for those who, for various selfish reasons, chose not to follow even that low expectation, we need policies and rules.

If compassion and consideration guides you, you will generally make the right decision, whether you go to the grocery store or anything else you do that involves others.

[coffeebean]

The president and VP are now being tested daily. All those around them are also tested and are wearing masks. There's new strict virus protocol in the WH. This is the guy who put in place government guidelines then immediately posted praise for people protesting those same guidelines. Fact, not fake news. We debate sheltering vs the economy. (Sometimes in a very nasty way) We debate who to trust with the information we're getting. Well actions speak louder than words. Look what's going on in the WH.

Do as I say, not as I do, including our president. Wonder why people are non compliant.

[coffeebean]

Wow! I am very pleased with the level of discourse this has generated. A lot of very good opinions and ideas have been expressed in all aspects of this recovery situation. I respect everyone who took the time to express their thoughts and opinions in this matter. It’s obvious that we have a community of a lot of very good spirited people who just want to do what’s right. I am glad that as a community we are able to come together and have a respectful discourse in this matter. I think the most important thing at this point is that as changes are introduced and freedoms are re-substantiated we continue to have a positive and respectful discourse. Our goal must be to all join together and contribute to the recovery effort by means of communication and discourse and when necessary action. So for now God bless you all, And remember you are divinely protected within the hedge of his love.

Nope. Don't buy it.

[coffeebean]

And on a purely an anecdotal level, a couple of very high profile cases in the last few days, involving an environment that chose not to social distance or even wear masks, should make most people stop and think.

Yup....."do as I say, not as I do". Bit them in the ass, didn't it?

[GoodLife]

The president and VP are now being tested daily. All those around them are also tested and are wearing masks. There's new strict virus protocol in the WH. This is the guy who put in place government guidelines then immediately posted praise for people protesting those same guidelines. Fact, not fake news. We debate sheltering vs the economy. (Sometimes in a very nasty way) We debate who to trust with the information we're getting. Well actions speak louder than words. Look what's going on in the WH.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), and Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control, will quarantine for 14 days.(after possible exposure to virus) Stephen Hahn, the head of the Food and Drug Administration, has already gone into quarantine.

Fauci becomes third member of White House coronavirus task force to enter quarantine (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cdc-director-self-quarantine-after-exposure-white-house-aide-covid-n1203851)

Ever seen these infectious disease guys wearing a mask? I got it, let's blame the White House! :a040:

[donassaid]

Before you opt for any vaccine, Google past vaccines developed by Bill Gates which resulted in death, sterility and a myriad of other medical issues. You have got to be an idiot to take ANY vaccine, including flu shots. The best thing we can do, if you are healthy and have no other issues, is to get back to work and our normal activities and let our bodies develop their own antibodies and immunity to Covid 19. It's called "herd immunity".

[tvbound]

Before you opt for any vaccine, Google past vaccines developed by Bill Gates which resulted in death, sterility and a myriad of other medical issues. You have got to be an idiot to take ANY vaccine, including flu shots. The best thing we can do, if you are healthy and have no other issues, is to get back to work and our normal activities and let our bodies develop their own antibodies and immunity to Covid 19. It's called "herd immunity".


You made me curious.

Here's what I found.


PolitiFact | Anti-vaxxers spread conspiracy about Bill Gates and India’s polio vaccination (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/23/facebook-posts/anti-vaxxers-spread-conspiracy-about-bill-gates-an/)

A popular conspiracy theory on Facebook digs into Bill Gates’ past to try to discredit his current efforts to speed up the development of a coronavirus vaccine.

An April 13 post claims the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation "tested a polio vax in India between 2000 & 2017 and paralysed 496,000 chlidren."

"Fact!" the post reads.

But it’s not.

[graciegirl]

Before you opt for any vaccine, Google past vaccines developed by Bill Gates which resulted in death, sterility and a myriad of other medical issues. You have got to be an idiot to take ANY vaccine, including flu shots. The best thing we can do, if you are healthy and have no other issues, is to get back to work and our normal activities and let our bodies develop their own antibodies and immunity to Covid 19. It's called "herd immunity".

Bill Gates is founder of Microsoft which has nothing to do with producing medical vaccines of any kind. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation funds many projects all over the world. I would have to guess that there is a conspiracy theory circling and you have accepted it as truth.

The way that our bodies develop antibodies and immunity is to survive the infection or receive a vaccine. When it is clearly happening that 80% of those who have died from Covid-19 are over 65 and that is the age of many people who live here in The Villages your opinion seems like a very dangerous one.

Most people use preventative measures to keep healthy and people over fifty are wise to get the shingles shot, all three kinds of pneumonia shot, and the seasonal flu shot. It is good to keep up with tetanus and also perhaps be revaccinated against pertussis, (whooping cough) if there is a new baby grandchild.

I am not a medical person but I am aware of current health trends simply because I love my family and want to protect them from harm.

[biker1]

Bill Gates is not CEO of Microsoft. He stepped down from that position 20 years ago in 2000. He was Chairman of the Board but stepped down from that position in 2014. He recently announced he is leaving the Microsoft Board all together.

Bill Gates is CEO of Microsoft which has nothing to do with producing medical vaccines of any kind. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation funds many projects all over the world. I would have to guess that there is a conspiracy theory circling and you have accepted it as truth.

The way that our bodies develop antibodies and immunity is to survive the infection. When it is clearly happening that 80% of those who have died from Covid-19 are over 65 and that is the age of many people who live here in The Villages your opinion seems like a very dangerous one.

Most people use preventative measures to keep healthy and people over fifty are wise to get the shingles shot, all three kinds of pneumonia shot, and the seasonal flu shot. It is good to keep up with tetanus and also perhaps be revaccinated against pertussis, (whooping cough) if there is a new baby grandchild.

I am not a medical person but I am aware of current health trends simply because I love my family and want to protect them from harm.

[golfing eagles]

Before you opt for any vaccine, Google past vaccines developed by Bill Gates which resulted in death, sterility and a myriad of other medical issues. You have got to be an idiot to take ANY vaccine, including flu shots. The best thing we can do, if you are healthy and have no other issues, is to get back to work and our normal activities and let our bodies develop their own antibodies and immunity to Covid 19. It's called "herd immunity".

No, actually you have to be an idiot to believe that, follow that advice, or even post it in the first place.

Let's examine a few vaccines:

First of all, the only type of vaccine that you can get any form of the disease from are live attenuated vaccines. Most flu shots are inactive vaccines, ie: the worst you can get is a sore arm.
One of the first vaccines was developed by Edward Jenner in 1796 for smallpox---a disease that killed unknown millions with a 30% mortality rate and is NOW EXTINCT since 1975 due to vaccinations. By the way, the current smallpox vaccine is based on a related virus and you CANNOT get smallpox from it.
How many millions were killed by polio? The vaccine can give a form of polio to 2 in 1 million recipients, and that included household contacts of the vaccinated person.
Measles vaccine has an equally low incidence of causing the disease
Diphtheria, Pertussis and Rubella are inactive vaccines, tetanus is a toxoid.
Most of these vaccines are 85-95% effective
So, for every bad side effect of these vaccines, thousands of cases and deaths are prevented
Influenza kills about 44,000 Americans/year on average, that number would be less than 1/2 if everyone got their flu shot.

So PLEASE, ignore that idiotic post and get your vaccinations as recommended by THE EXPERTS AT THE CDC, and not some conspiracy theory nut job.

[graciegirl]

Bill Gates is not CEO of Microsoft. He stepped down from that position 20 years ago in 2000. He was Chairman of the Board but stepped down from that position in 2014. He recently announced he is leaving the Microsoft Board all together.

I was not aware of that. I apologize. I have changed the wording to founder of Microsoft.

[graciegirl]

No, actually you have to be an idiot to believe that, follow that advice, or even post it in the first place.

Let's examine a few vaccines:

First of all, the only type of vaccine that you can get any form of the disease from are live attenuated vaccines. Most flu shots are inactive vaccines, ie: the worst you can get is a sore arm.
One of the first vaccines was developed by Edward Jenner in 1796 for smallpox---a disease that killed unknown millions with a 30% mortality rate and is NOW EXTINCT since 1975 due to vaccinations. By the way, the current smallpox vaccine is based on a related virus and you CANNOT get smallpox from it.
How many millions were killed by polio? The vaccine can give a form of polio to 2 in 1 million recipients, and that included household contacts of the vaccinated person.
Measles vaccine has an equally low incidence of causing the disease
Diphtheria, Pertussis and Rubella are inactive vaccines, tetanus is a toxoid.
Most of these vaccines are 85-95% effective
So, for every bad side effect of these vaccines, thousands of cases and deaths are prevented
Influenza kills about 44,000 Americans/year on average, that number would be less than 1/2 if everyone got their flu shot.

So PLEASE, ignore that idiotic post and get your vaccinations as recommended by THE EXPERTS AT THE CDC, and not some conspiracy theory nut job.

My post just now went ahead of this valuable information from a fellow Villager and a retired doctor who I respect very much. I will repost it here.

[biker1]

He is actually the co-founder.

I was not aware of that. I apologize. I have changed the wording to founder of Microsoft.

[Swoop]

No, actually you have to be an idiot to believe that, follow that advice, or even post it in the first place.

Let's examine a few vaccines:

First of all, the only type of vaccine that you can get any form of the disease from are live attenuated vaccines. Most flu shots are inactive vaccines, ie: the worst you can get is a sore arm.
One of the first vaccines was developed by Edward Jenner in 1796 for smallpox---a disease that killed unknown millions with a 30% mortality rate and is NOW EXTINCT since 1975 due to vaccinations. By the way, the current smallpox vaccine is based on a related virus and you CANNOT get smallpox from it.
How many millions were killed by polio? The vaccine can give a form of polio to 2 in 1 million recipients, and that included household contacts of the vaccinated person.
Measles vaccine has an equally low incidence of causing the disease
Diphtheria, Pertussis and Rubella are inactive vaccines, tetanus is a toxoid.
Most of these vaccines are 85-95% effective
So, for every bad side effect of these vaccines, thousands of cases and deaths are prevented
Influenza kills about 44,000 Americans/year on average, that number would be less than 1/2 if everyone got their flu shot.

So PLEASE, ignore that idiotic post and get your vaccinations as recommended by THE EXPERTS AT THE CDC, and not some conspiracy theory nut job.

How do you figure that the number of flu deaths would reduce by 50% if everyone got the flu shot? First, the people currently getting flu shots are already typically the most vulnerable. Giving flu shots to young healthy people would have a minimal effect on the mortality rate. So since the flu shot is about 50% effective and a large number of at risk people already get it, how would inoculating everyone further reduce the number by an additional 50%?Lastly the flu shot for any given season is based on the best guess as to what strains will be most prevalent. When they guess wrong the numbers climb significantly.

[golfing eagles]

How do you figure that the number of flu deaths would reduce by 50% if everyone got the flu shot? First, the people currently getting flu shots are already typically the most vulnerable. Giving flu shots to young healthy people would have a minimal effect on the mortality rate. So since the flu shot is about 50% effective and a large number of at risk people already get it, how would inoculating everyone further reduce the number by an additional 50%?Lastly the flu shot for any given season is based on the best guess as to what strains will be most prevalent. When they guess wrong the numbers climb significantly.

Are you trying to "educate" me???? If so, :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

That being said, the 50% number is a guess based on the percentage of the population that gets flu shots (approx. 31%) and generally normal distribution. Flu shots, are NOT confined to those most at risk, so that number is only minimally skewed. And yes, CDC goes to Asia in Dec-Feb of the previous year and samples the prevailing influenza viruses, the decides on generally 3 strains to include in the vaccine. It is not 100% effective. On average it is 86% effective, some years 94%, other years < 70%. When an unforeseen strain emerges late in the season, it is close to 0% effective against it

[Swoop]

When it comes to medical expertise, pretty much so. What you call "pompous" is actually a reaction to the torrential outpouring of misinformation by non-professionals and those that googled something for 2 minutes and don't understand what they read. (NOT referring to you in particular)

You started this by challenging something that was a guesstimate based on percentages of the population that receive influenza vaccines every year. Your percentages are a bit different than mine. You feel this skews the population subsets that are subject to death by flu a lot, I didn't think it was all that much. But I built a large margin of error into that guesstimate based on a population of 330 million and an average of 44,000 deaths/year. So maybe it isn't 50%, it could be 45, or 40, or 35%.

So what, my point remains the same
Somebody posted that they would never get a vaccine for anything, I pointed out how nonsensical that was. That's why I get "pompous"
I am certainly not anti vaccine and I only addressed your off the cuff assumption of a 50% reduction. It was your response that it was laughable that I dared to question you that was pompous.

[golfing eagles]

I am certainly not anti vaccine and I only addressed your off the cuff assumption of a 50% reduction. It was your response that it was laughable that I dared to question you that was pompous.

It wasn't you that was "anti-vaccine"

Actually, it would be an interesting research project:

Divide the population into 10 year age cohorts, look at the percentage in each cohort that gets flu shots and look at the deaths in each group. Then assume an average 80% vaccine efficacy and get a more accurate "off the cuff" assumption. I'm not sure that information is available, and I'd rather go golfing anyway

[shut the front door]

NO. It is not the 5% with underlying conditions. NO. NO. NO. It is all people over 65. 80% of people who have died from Covid-19 are the elderly, folks over 65, and the older the higher the risk goes, whether or not they have underlying conditions, which most people do have. High blood pressure? Overweight? Do not exercise enough? I keep hearing people assume they are safe because they have no "underlying conditions" but if you are living here you are old enough to be in the high risk group.

Wow, painting with a mighty broad brush there.
The median age in the villages is 70.9. Meaning half of villagers are under that age, which mean that a big percentage of that half are under 65.
Worry about yourself and don't judge others.

[shut the front door]

Thank you. This is what many - here and elsewhere - just won't respond to. It's like "yeah, 'they'll' figure that out when the right time comes". Sorry - it's almost assuredly not going to work that way. "But you just want to put us all at risk with your irresponsible behavior!!!" Right... We know about that irresponsibility. It's the kind of irresponsibility where you work for a living to raise and feed yourself and your family. That's selfish and irresponsible. Gotcha.

So when, then - specifically and explicitly - do you think it's going to be OK to get back to some semblance of living? Six months? A year? Eighteen months? Please...give an actual time vs. some generalized comment. No "whenever the politicos and epidemiologists say it's ok!" response. Where's our answer(s) on how the economy is going to come back? And why don't we - as a whole - care about that? It's astonishing to me. There's no "big picture" here any longer.

The damage done to the economy already is devastating. But hey, it's a good thing every company - particularly small companies and independent contractors and/or gig workers - have saved tons of money to carry them through this minor inconvenience. Oh wait - real life doesn't really work that way. These companies will perish. The employees will have to hope they can find new and commensurate jobs. Tough luck for them, though, right? At least we're retired! And no big deal, the Fed will just print trillions of dollars to prop things up.

What I find selfish is people who think nothing of preaching responsibility about what others do vis-à-vis their activities and the virus, yet seemingly don't think one wit about where we're all going to be at that yet undetermined time when people feel they can relax the hunkering down. You should try to envision that. It's not going to be pretty.

I know, I know...cue the "the economy doesn't matter if you're dead!" remarks. Add to that the "you don't have the right to infect me!" comments. Expected. But there are many daily activities that entail risks of sorts that we think nothing of. We engage in them because they are part of what encompasses living. Now, what we collectively engage in is fear.

Many of us don't do anything to keep our own bodies in shape - thereby increasing the odds that we'll succumb to some medical malady, virus-related or not. But hey, don't risk my life by potentially spreading that virus! If I want to be overweight, drink and smoke, that's my choice! Of course, your family and friends might think differently.

What there should be is a plan to help protect and sequester the elderly and otherwise vulnerable, while allowing younger people to go back to work. Keep this in place until there is that vaccine. It's a sensible - and reasonable - compromise.

Yeah, I'm just someone else worrying about that little thing called the economy. I just don't grasp what's really important. Who needs an economy, anyway? What am I thinking? We'll all be fine.

Very well said, Rick.
Those who are scared of catching the virus in public because some of us are living our lives need to stay home. And while they're there, they need to stop calling Community watch every time they see something that offends them!
It is not my job to wear a mask to protect you, it is your job to protect yourself. If you're that scared, STAY HOME!
And btw, most of the paranoids that post on here would be surprised at how many that are out and about have already had the virus, whether asymptomatic or not, and have the antibodies. When this is all said and done, and antibody tests are given to most of the population, they're going to be a little embarrassed at how their statistics will change. What will they do when the sky isn't falling any more? I guess they'll have to find another reason to call Community watch.

[billethkid]

I still do not buy it when those who choose to follow the guidelines are categorized as "scared".

They are as entitled to their decision without a negative labeling by someone who does not.

[Wallyworld]

Birx just said the CDC is over reporting the number of deaths by at least 25% and she can’t believe a word they say. Interesting for those who always trust the government.